Ten Great Moments in the (Recorded) History of Civilization. The ten periods of history which saw the most rapid advances in human achievement or quality of life. These are all events that have contributed to the forming of society as we know it today – even though many were from the far distant past.
The artistic Renaissance began earlier, but during this 20-year period Leonardo, Michelangelo, Raphael, Durer, and Botticelli created many of the world’s most famous paintings: The Last Supper, Mona Lisa, the Sistine Chapel, the Raphael Rooms, the Pieta, the Sistine Madonna, The Birth of Venus. The European discovery of the New World was also a rather big deal.
The rap on the Romans is they stole their culture from Greece, but it’s not really true. The Romans borrowed freely from the Greeks but excelled in different fields — engineering, architecture, satire, and ethics (the Stoic tradition peaked in Rome, a little later, with the writings of Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius). No other society except Greece (and perhaps England or China) ever made greater cultural contributions. At about the same time, Chinese culture reached its greatest geographic extent with the Han Empire.
Darwin’s theory of natural selection and Pasteur’s germ theory revolutionized biology and medicine; Lister introduced sterilization in hospitals, and Mendel (pictured above) conducted the first experiments in heritability (though not widely known until later). There were milestones in many other arenas: Maxwell described electromagnetic fields and radiation; and the first internal combustion engine, gas heater, commercial steel, plastics, and rechargeable battery were produced.
These two decades saw the invention of electric light, alternating current, the telephone, automobile, steam turbine, gas turbine, water heater, transformer, arc welding, phonograph and seismograph; development of vaccination and surgical techniques; Boltzmann’s development of thermodynamics and statistical mechanics; production of radio waves; the birth of the environmental conservation movement; and artworks by Rodin, Monet, Brahms, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Eliot, Chekhov and Twain.
This 30-year period saw revolutionary change on all fronts. Galileo’s telescope and Kepler’s planetary theory were the birth of modern astronomy; Galileo’s De motu launched classical physics; literature took big steps forward with Cervantes’ Don Quixote (the earliest novel still widely read) and Montaigne’s Essays (which created that genre), and a guy named Shakespeare turned out a bunch of sonnets, plus Hamlet, King Lear, Macbeth and the rest. Islamic architecture reached a late peak in Isfahan and Istanbul.
Important discoveries happened throughout the 17th century, but the most influential scientific advance was Newton’s theory of gravity. Newton got around to publishing the Principia in 1687, but the crucial ideas came to him in the 1660s. Newton and Leibniz invented calculus about the same time. Boyle’s Law, which led to the development of chemistry, was discovered in 1662; Leeuwenhoek and others began microscopic observations at the same time. It was a fertile time for art (Rembrandt, Vermeer) and literature (Racine, Moliere, Milton, Pascal) and unfortunately, bad philosophy (Hobbes, Locke).
Following James Watt’s improvement of the steam engine in 1764, almost every year in the late 18th century brought a new revolution. The science of chemistry was founded by Lavoisier; Hutton introduced the principles of geology; Adam Smith’s The Wealth of Nations founded economics; Mozart developed the forms of classical music; Burke and Hamilton/Madison defined British-American political theory; Blackstone’s Commentaries did the same for law; photosynthesis was discovered. Technical advances included electrolysis, the ship’s chronometer, chemical processing, tool-making machines, and the water frame.
Chinese civilization has had several peaks but the Song Dynasty was perhaps the greatest: Zhu Xi (pictured above) established Neo-Confucianism; printing, the compass and canal locks were developed; and Chinese painting reached its apex. Meanwhile, Islamic, Indian and Southeast Asian cultures produced great achievements, from Persian poetry and math to Angkor Wat and Jain temples. Meanwhile, Europe started climbing out of the Dark Ages with the first industry and monuments such as the great medieval cathedrals and castles.
The first great dramatists (Aeschylus, Sophocles, Aristophanes), the greatest sculptors in history(Phidias), and Socrates all lived in Athens in the 5th century BC. No other place in history produced more genius. The Greeks’ run continued in the 4th century with Plato (one of the most influential thinkers of all time) and Aristotle (the founder of ethics, political theory, natural history and logic), and mathematicians Eudoxus and Euclid. At the other end of Eurasia, Lao-tzu, Chuang-tzu and the followers of Confucius elaborated Chinese thought; the abacus and blast furnace were invented; and the Grand Canal was begun. India produced epic literature.
Confucius, Buddha, and Mahavira (the prophet of Jainism) all lived in the 6th century, though their works were compiled later (in the case of Buddha, much later). Important books of the Old Testament were written or assembled at roughly the same time. Greek culture was climbing toward its classical peak, thanks to natural philosophers (Thales, Parmenides), early political leaders (Solon), engineers (Chersiphron), and poets (Sappho, Pindar). No century is more significant for both Western and Eastern intellectual traditions.


























1 dbrownl
December 11th, 2009 at 1:38 am
no idependence for america… shocking
2 iwalkwithzombies
December 11th, 2009 at 1:43 am
not that shocking hahhaaa
#3 really?
3 mandy
December 11th, 2009 at 1:45 am
@dbrownl: Its not shocking that they didn’t add America’s independence. America is not the center of the universe as much as they believe they are and there have been far more important historical events in the history of the world.
4 lwheeler4
December 11th, 2009 at 1:49 am
Why is Locke classified under “bad philosophy”?
5 Galford
December 11th, 2009 at 1:50 am
Should there be something for the computers, internet, robotics, etc technologies? Perhaps a bonus entry for the late 1900s, which really defined our lifestyles nowadays.
6 BravehisTickle
December 11th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Well, this was a relatively good list, it would had been better if there had been a lil’ more info.. anyways,no complaints..
7 dbrownl
December 11th, 2009 at 1:53 am
@mandy (4): please note sarcasm in post, sorry about spelling…and i completly agree with galford, intro is saying how it shaped life today, i think that may be important
8 coresplit
December 11th, 2009 at 1:54 am
Missed out on the Expansion of western civ, discovery of new lands and the world wars… cool list thou…
9 Mindymoo
December 11th, 2009 at 1:55 am
@mandy (4):
Why thank you, Mandy. I was about to post the same thing. And I’m even an American!
10 Karl
December 11th, 2009 at 1:55 am
It’s great that you’ve put the founding of religions at #1 but why did you put the events of the Renaissance (#6 & #7), Mediterranean cultures (#2 & # 9) and the events of the Industrial Revolution (#7, #8 & #4) seperately? There are so many errors. And where the independence of America, the French Revolution, the 20th century, the Information Revolution (1990s to present) & the age of Enlightenment? Ugh. Even this list author has failed a history buff.
11 miccimouse
December 11th, 2009 at 1:55 am
locke and hobbes have written some of the most relevant political theories in history?? whyyy are they ‘bad philosophy’?
12 lwheeler4
December 11th, 2009 at 2:02 am
@miccimouse (12):
My question exactly.
I really don’t understand.
13 Oe
December 11th, 2009 at 2:08 am
@ the author dbezan, I’d love to hear your explanation on why Hobbes and Locke are “bad philosophy”?
14 dbrownl
December 11th, 2009 at 2:10 am
i agree why, you can’t make a statement like that and not back it up
15 AnAwfulOtt
December 11th, 2009 at 2:18 am
in response to mandy’s comment above:
why does everyone think that americans are self centered and ignorant pricks. i mean, there are quite a few americans that are like that, but then again doesnt every country have people like that in it? ill be the first to admit that us Americans are FAR FAR FAR from perfect but im also not happy with people having that disrespectful stereotype about us.
16 AnAwfulOtt
December 11th, 2009 at 2:24 am
@Oe and dbrownl
its just the authors opinion on the philosophers, isnt he/she entitled to it?
17 lolpuppies
December 11th, 2009 at 2:25 am
Don’t talk poo about John Locke!
18 dbrownl
December 11th, 2009 at 2:29 am
@AnAwfulOtt (17): it would just be nice to hear reason for that opinion, i’m not saying they are not entitled to it i just want to know why
19 AnAwfulOtt
December 11th, 2009 at 2:32 am
@dbrownl (19): oh ok, thats what i thought your intention was. i was just trying to stick up for the author is all haha.
20 The boy from troy
December 11th, 2009 at 2:36 am
What the..? Hell the..? How the..? So incredibly less information in this list. e.g. In #6, you could have explained more by citing other examples- in case of architecture, literature-there were other civilizations and cultures also which made a significant impact in history.And I personally feel there have been better writers than Shakespeare who have been historically less highlighted.
21 strobel
December 11th, 2009 at 2:39 am
the reason that we Americans get such a bad rap is because our government feels that they have to intervene in everything that might make them feel intimidated. It’s been that way for a long time… the only reason we even we fought for independence is because we didn’t want to pay taxes that were imposed on us, so we retaliated with the declaration…. look it up. In a former list it even says that the only reason that the Mayflower (in one of the “factlet” books) landed in Plymouth is that they ran out of beer!! I could go on and on about this, but I won’t. Jfrarter…. great site, dude. Anyone want to argue? Give it a try!! LOL
22 Od
December 11th, 2009 at 2:40 am
I can only imagine dbezan is fundamentally against materialism, empiricism and atheism. Please explain how ‘Locke’ and ‘Hobbes’ are bad philosophy.
23 AnAwfulOtt
December 11th, 2009 at 2:43 am
@ strobel(22):
what does the mayflower landing for more beer have to do with modern americans being labeled ignorant? they just wanted to keep the party going on the boat so they made a pit-stop, whats the harm in that?
24 The boy from troy
December 11th, 2009 at 2:44 am
Hey all, please don’t turn this into an
America/Obama/Bush-bashing-loving-criticism et al debate, it gets highly irritating after a limit.
25 AnAwfulOtt
December 11th, 2009 at 2:47 am
@the boy from troy(25)
thats what im trying to say! haha just lightening it up with humor is all but its inevitable ever since mandy made the first comment up top.
26 The boy from troy
December 11th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Ok then,end of bickering.Let’s discuss history which is a much vaster subject to be ignored for pointless ranting. (Is the English correct?)- vaster or vast?
27 AnAwfulOtt
December 11th, 2009 at 2:58 am
@the boy from troy
i actually think it would be written as “a much more vast subject”. but i could be wrong cause there is a 99.9% chance that i flunked my english class this last year haha
28 Turnipshade
December 11th, 2009 at 2:59 am
Er, one point.What about the Olympics? Isn’t sports going to considered at all? Given that today so much money and time is being spent on it.
29 Nemesis Wanted
December 11th, 2009 at 3:03 am
@22
Beer was the standard drink for English people at the time as they couldnt drink the water from rivers or lakes as it was so polluted. It might be more accurate to say the pilgrims landed as they ran out of something to drink.
30 Huh?
December 11th, 2009 at 3:04 am
Not moments. Change the title to ‘Incredibly Important Stages in History’
31 Turnipshade
December 11th, 2009 at 3:06 am
@Huh? (31): Or ‘Incredibly Important Periods in History’? Maybe.
32 El the erf
December 11th, 2009 at 3:07 am
The write up of Renaissance fails me.
Clearly, the naivety of the list composer is exposed wide open when all he talks about Renaissance is art art and art.
I mean come on dbezan! Do you really think paintings was all about it??
It is true that painters and sculptors ignited the flame with their outlandish piece of works and inspired people to fetch themselves an individuality of their own, but it was mostly ARCHITECTURE which served as the embodiment of the soul of Renaissance, the real physical manifestation of what the movement really wanted to convey.
33 Nemesis Wanted
December 11th, 2009 at 3:08 am
Maybe ‘Incredibly Important Stages in Recorded History’ as mans first use of tools or the start of agriculture which first allowed mankind to live together in greater numbers. This allowed other people to concentrate on things like thinking rather than just where their next meal was coming from and would be more important as it lead to everything else on the list!
34 lwheeler4
December 11th, 2009 at 3:10 am
I think the list idea itself is too vague to be done in an effective manner.
35 ED
December 11th, 2009 at 3:13 am
There is no such thing as “bad philosophy”
36 Nemesis Wanted
December 11th, 2009 at 3:14 am
No mention either of the start of writing as this allowed people to study and learn more than just what was passed down by the people they knew.
37 Turnipshade
December 11th, 2009 at 3:16 am
@El the erf (33): ‘It was mostly ARCHITECTURE which served as the embodiment of the soul of Renaissance’.
Not really.Renaissance was also concerned with transformational philosophy,thinking,literature,music etc.
38 BravehisTickle
December 11th, 2009 at 3:21 am
Heh heh, I have to say this again- Randall would tell us better coz this is his area
(concerning Renaissance and other history/literature stuff)
39 Woyzeck
December 11th, 2009 at 3:28 am
@ED (36):
In your opinion. I would call Nazism ‘bad philosophy’. I personally would call religion ‘bad philosophy’.
“No century is more significant for both Western and Eastern intellectual traditions.”
I kind of disagree with this statement, as our greatest advancements here in the West have only occured once thinkers started climbing out if these traditions. It could just be my anti-religious bias talking, but I actually think that the significance of religion on human thought was to retard it, a trend which continues to this day.
40 El the erf
December 11th, 2009 at 3:36 am
No.9- What the hell?
You make two statements
No.1 -”Romans borrowed freely from the Greeks”
Conclusion: Greeks provided the blueprint to the Romans
– for almost about EVERYTHING.
No.2-”No other society except Greece ever made greater
cultural contributions.”
Conclusion: Greeks were ahead of the Romans
– in almost about EVERYTHING
So, shouldn’t the Greek empire be up there instead?
41 Rufus
December 11th, 2009 at 4:06 am
hard to believe certain incredible famous people lived in the same time period
though the song dynasty was impressive, many chinese regard the tong and han dynasty as the peak of chinese times. that’s why chinese usually call themselves tong people or han people (tong yan street is the chinese name of chinatown)
42 Daemon
December 11th, 2009 at 4:11 am
Locke ‘bad philosophy’?
Religion on the first place?
Several dates horribly wrong?
Why am I not surpised…
43 Arsnl
December 11th, 2009 at 4:11 am
@El the erf (41): i dont know about you erf but i sure do love the way he ends some sections:” The European discovery of the New World was also a rather big deal.” and ” India produced epic literature.” it reminds me of the time when i was in school and i had to write a paper on something. I would do my work but at the end i would still have forgotten some ideas and being lazy and i would write”of course one must not forget this and that”. Its like you know that important but you really dont want to go on.
And about the previous comment avoit renaissance i do wonder how many people got to see those famous paintings. I bet buildings and statues where more accessible to the masses
ps greeks drank ouzu romans drank wine. Wine takes the gold.
44 Al
December 11th, 2009 at 4:12 am
These are not “moments”, they’re ages or periods.
45 Ben Dover
December 11th, 2009 at 4:17 am
@4 Mandy: America has a right to think we are the center of the universe. This world would be a shitty place to live if it were not for us. You are either a bitter American (also called a Liberal) or a foreigner that wished he/she was born American.
Either way get on your knees and kiss our ring!
46 jfrater
December 11th, 2009 at 4:20 am
What is a moment? A period in time. All of the items on this list occurred during a period in time. The title is accurate.
47 Drewdy
December 11th, 2009 at 4:22 am
I can’t help but think how inaccurate this list is. For one, 1483-1513 is not 20 yrs. Thats just simple math. Second, you can’t call something baf philosophy under no basis. Lastly, Newton didn’t have a theory of gravity. At the least Galileo had gravity well before Newton.
Lesson learned? No amount of good writing can fake factual basis. This list is highly subjective and uses the basis of fiction to prove a point.
48 Odorikakeru
December 11th, 2009 at 4:24 am
Just a quickie – Has somebody already pointed out that 1483 – 1513 is 30 years, not 20?
49 Arsnl
December 11th, 2009 at 4:27 am
@Woyzeck (40): well newton was quite a religious man. Cauchy was considered a bigot. Riemann had studied the bible.I dont think that religion makes you stupid. Being stupid makes you stupid. Nowadays the progress that pur society makes is not due to the fact that we tend to forget religion but because we have easy acces to learning facilities ( where this doesnt happen extremism fills a gap). I dont think that humans evolved that much. I havent managed to write a theory about diffential equations riemann manifolds after ive been doing drugs, going to hookers and after i killed a puppy. And i havent managed that neither after thinking 5 mins about god. Bottom line: if you have the capabilities of doing great things you will do them anyway.
Ps: i might be biased also
50 BravehisTickle
December 11th, 2009 at 4:35 am
@jfrater (47): Yeaah..according to dictionary.com, one of the meanings:
moment= a definite period or stage, as in a course of events; juncture: at this moment in history.
51 majava
December 11th, 2009 at 4:40 am
#47 Funny,I am used to think that for example an assassination is a moment and Cold war was a period in history.
52 asdfgj
December 11th, 2009 at 4:44 am
Galileo may have paved the way to understanding gravity but Newton took it to a whole new level. He also coined the whole Law of Universal Gravitation, which is why he is credited with the theory of gravity.
53 majava
December 11th, 2009 at 4:45 am
Period: a rather large interval of time that is meaningful in the life of a person, in history, etc., because of its particular characteristics: a period of illness; a period of great profitability for a company; a period of social unrest in Germany.
All of the entries in these list qualify to the definition of period, not so much the definition of moment. I kind of think the title is wrong, despite what jfrater says.
54 El the erf
December 11th, 2009 at 4:50 am
@Arsnl (44):
Didn’t quite make the fall, eh?
Guess I still have some arsnl clinging to my robes ha!
…
About wine…well nothing
55 Griff
December 11th, 2009 at 4:51 am
Great list, I’m also proud to say that two of the items hold great significants to my home town of Shrewsbury. Darwin was born here and a small village on the outskirts of the town called Iron Bridge is credited as the “Birth place of the Industrial Revolution”.
56 The Annoyed Elephant
December 11th, 2009 at 4:54 am
The way it’s gone recently, I half-expected to see “The Election of Barack Obama” on the list…
1. Not enough stuff in the Eastern Hemisphere, especially on the right side of Asia.
2. Africa? South America? Hello? One would think that, say, the American enslavement of Africans was important in that A) it was evil; and B) it spread a non-European culture around the globe.
3. Not one mention (other than the “big deal” of the Renaissance, of the 200-year process of discovery that began with Columbus and continued through things like Magellan, DeSoto, etc. Sure, there were evils committed, but an entire hemisphere was “discovered” by Europeans (at least, ones that weren’t Vikings, who’d already discovered it), freeing up trade and spreading culture.
4. Nary a mention of the Empire Age of France, Spain, and England.
5. I would argue that #10 should be split between the Renaissance and the Reformation, as both events split Europe and let the various countries under each event’s influence react differently to oncoming world events.
57 astraya
December 11th, 2009 at 4:57 am
I would include the European (re)invention of movable-type printing. It lead to the world as we know it (including the Spanish and British settlement of the Americas). Chinese (possibly Korean, actually) printing didn’t.
58 Liver
December 11th, 2009 at 5:13 am
I wouldn’t say that these are specific moments. They are more like eras that defined generations of people. Moments to me is more like Napoleon throwing out French government in his coup. Good list though.
59 Geronimo1618
December 11th, 2009 at 5:16 am
Going through the content evidently implies that this list has been written by a schoolkid..good try kiddo better luck next time.
60 INSIDIOUS COLD
December 11th, 2009 at 5:23 am
ANCIENT EGYPT DID NOT MAKE THE LIST.ANCIENT EGYPT HAD AN IMPACT ON HISTORY…. GREAT LIST THO-
61 oouchan
December 11th, 2009 at 5:47 am
An ok list.
I felt that the facts were kind of randomly put together and left me not sure of where to turn to get more information. Also I don’t agree with number one being a significant moment in history. It doesn’t seem to fit in with the others.
I do like the concept of the list however and where you were taking it, dbezan.
62 keyshock
December 11th, 2009 at 6:00 am
I have a feeling this list will be taken down.
63 Geronimo1618
December 11th, 2009 at 6:03 am
@keyshock (63): What a stupid feeling- of course not,it’s not that bad or controversial.
64 get a clue
December 11th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Drop your #1 and you have a great list. Those who have supported #1 throughout history have done their best to prevent the other 9 from flourishing and lifting humankind above this dependency on magic and mythology and murder in the name of pretend beings.
A better #1 would be what’s happening right now at CERN.
65 Andy
December 11th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Wow. I must say I am really tired of the christian propaganda on this website. It’s getting out of hand, so I’m leaving. Oh. and I used adblock on your site the entire time I looked at it. So take that you crazy religious fundamentalists!
66 Cassia
December 11th, 2009 at 6:30 am
I agree with what’s been said above. I doubt “moments” is the correct term for this list. Also, that being said, the entries are vague. Important eras, perhaps? Defining eras? It’s a great concept, but could be filled out more.
67 SS
December 11th, 2009 at 6:43 am
No century is more significant for both Western and Eastern intellectual traditions.
O_o i do believe the century where electricity was discovered was the most significant…..
i do believe its done more than religion ever has…
68 Scratch
December 11th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Ouch. This list is horrible in so many ways – aimless, meandering, inaccurate, and unenlightening.
It’s so bad that El the Erf is actually making legitimate criticisms instead of talking about rainbows and angel farts.
69 63jax
December 11th, 2009 at 7:36 am
me like this list, good list, no americans here, keep up the good work.
70 Randall
December 11th, 2009 at 7:45 am
I agree with Scratch…
This is a nice idea for a list, but in execution it was lousy.
As many have pointed out, these are PERIODS, ERAS, or AGES of history, not “moments.” When I saw the title, I was expecting things like, “Lee’s surrender to Grant at Appomatox” or “Murder of Thomas a’Becket” or Tienanmen Square and suchlike. Instead, we get a list of lukewarm history snippets that are too broad for the list title and not terribly informative (with some inaccuracies thrown in).
Just right off the top… the entry on the Renaissance is terrible; the art of the Renaissance is of course of VITAL significance, but the POINT of the Renaissance was the rebirth of learning, scholarship, study, empiricism… in short, the passion for observation and depiction of the world, and ourselves. I mean, if you’re going to write an entry on the Renaissance, let’s explain what it means to ALL of human enlightenment and progress.
And then, the Roman entry–please. In fact, yes, the Romans contributed HUGELY to Western Civilization, but if you’re recognizing them for THAT, then generally the thing to do is to recognize not JUST the Romans, but Graeco-Roman or CLASSICAL civilization—because the Romans did, in fact, glean much of what they passed on to us FROM the Greeks. The list author even mentions Stoicism—which in fact was a GREEK INVENTION. (From “stoa”–the porches in the marketplaces where the stoic philosophers hung out and did their stoic thing). Roman culture and civilization itself is nothing more than a *continuance* of the overall classical civilization shared between Greece and Rome, spread eastward by Alexander the Great, and westward by the Greek colonists and later the Roman Empire.
71 Davy
December 11th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Weak list. There are so many things that can be added and taken away from this lightly-put together list. After the recent streak of good lists, I’m disappointed.
72 archangel
December 11th, 2009 at 7:58 am
This is a good list in theory, but I have to say its execution was a little lazy.
Firstly, whilst I understand that Western civilisation has contributed a heck of a lot to human advancement, and I also understand that there is an attempt to balance this out with some input on other great moments, it still has a ring of Euro-centrism.
A lot of the moments could have been lumped into one. For example, the Age of Enlightenment which followed the Rennaissance could’ve encompassed the great scientific discoveries. The age of invention could have been lumped into Industrialisation which saw these inventions advance humanity to mass production and modernism. Also, Eastern Empires is not exactly a moment. Recall that a lot of earlier inventions came from China? Also, recall the Arab/Islamic/Caliphate enlightenment which was preceded European enlightenment and saw numerous advances in science, geography, chemistry, and health. Rome and Greece could’ve been lumped into Graeco-Roman since its practically similar from a global perspective!
But nonetheless, good attempt!
73 logar
December 11th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Jaime,
Then by your definition, the history of the earth in it’s entirety is a “moment”… Everything is a moment. You are technically correct, but you are practically wrong. Most people would use an alternate definition- a discernable, particular instant in time. It’s like having a list entitled “10 greatest vertebrates” and having it all about accomplished humans- technically correct, but not what the readers are expecting.
74 MousintheHouseMI
December 11th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Interesting list, a kind of teaser of sorts. I don’t know why Hobbes and Locke are considered ‘bad’ philosophy. They had important and influencial roles in political theory. A person may agree or disagree, but born of these disagreeements is maturity and knowledge.
Each one of the list items could easily be created into its own individual Top 10 list. With some elbow grease, dbezan could write up ten lists – one for each item. That could be fun.
75 archiealt
December 11th, 2009 at 8:19 am
This is gash.
76 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
December 11th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Moments in history? More like big ass chunks of history haha. Just busting your balls, list is pretty good.
77 El the erf
December 11th, 2009 at 8:39 am
@jfrater (46):
Wrong.
Moment – “A particular point in time”.
– “An instant”.
Don’t go the dictionary.com way
Go the Oxford way.
78 GTT
December 11th, 2009 at 8:42 am
OK, to all the people who dont agree with the inclusion of #1:
Whether you agree with religion or not, you cannot deny the fact that it was incredibly significant as it was the driving force behind MANY of the actions that shaped the world. It is impossible to deny that our world would be a very different place if it had not been for the rise and influence of major religions.
There are many things that I dont personally agree with (or support or believe in or what have you) but it would be incredibly short-sighted to deny their significance. Nazism being the first example that comes to mind.
79 Tsiamon
December 11th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Alright, if you’re looking at a period of two centuries that took place, say, 90 million years ago, you could justifiably call them ‘moments’ in pre-history. Seems to me like everybody here is taking issue with calling 30 year chunks of time ‘moments’ just because they’re more recent in memory. In the grand scheme of things, they’re all really ‘instants’ in history.
80 Tsiamon
December 11th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Also, I agree with GTT. You can’t say that religion isn’t incredibly significant to human history just because you don’t like it. That’s dangerously short-sighted.
81 Tom Wang
December 11th, 2009 at 9:00 am
In the 6000+ years of recorded history all of the above ARE moments, “instants” if you will in the scheme of it all. It’s a stupid point to get hung up on.
Also I second those that say the age of modern computing (the integrated circuit) leading to the internet and mass information transfer should be on this list as a bonus. A bonus because it’s not over yet!
82 GTT
December 11th, 2009 at 9:25 am
@Scratch (68):
Angel farts…
83 Heffrey
December 11th, 2009 at 9:31 am
jesus, people are so picky here. they come to read free lists and all they do it bitch and moan. if you’re going to say how “half-assed” the list is, how bout you stop having a fit and make your own god-damn website with this many visitors?
On that note, good list. very inclusive.
84 H3000
December 11th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Not enough Obama on this list…
(I kid, I kid)
85 psychosurfer
December 11th, 2009 at 9:44 am
You shouldn´t bite off more than you can chew.
In my opinion he list tries to talk about so many things that it fails to establish a congruent intention.
Many of the facts are decidedly biased, but this one really intrigued me (and revealed the author´s nationality):
“No other society except Greece (and perhaps England or China) ever made greater cultural contributions.”
I can understand China, but England?, I can think of ten other civilizations or countries with the same or more historic weight.
86 Garash
December 11th, 2009 at 9:45 am
It would be interesting to see how the world would’ve truned out without religion.
After all religion was part of why they started to print books and monasteries provided shelter for as well as education of the intellectual elite.
On the other hand we have the whole repression of new ideas thing.
87 lkienzle
December 11th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Overall a good list, if a little vague. All things considered, too – this list really is ‘moments,’ if you think of recorded history as a whole. A 20 or even 100 year span is pretty small compared to 6000 years of recorded history. On the other hand, I too was expecting something like ‘Jesus Crucified’ – whatever your feelings on religion and what happened afterwards, an incredibly important moment for human history.
One issue though – the Han dynasty was NOT the largest (geographic) dynasty in China. That was the Tang, which got all the way down into Vietnam and reached as far west as present-day Kazakhstan. The Han dynasty only reached about half of what is now geographically China. And while I disagree with you on some other things (inclusion of Rome, but not Greece, for example), this was the only major, indisputable historic fact that you got wrong.
Or at least it’s the only one I caught, which is an entirely different thing
88 Lifeschool
December 11th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Hi,
I personally found this to be a lukewarm list as somebody else mentioned above. After the last ‘moments’ list – which contained the election of Obama and the Independence of America, I was expecting a similarly narrow minded effort. This list was slightly better than the title suggested; but could have been so much MORE. The facts, although accurate seem watered down and general rather than deep and inspired, with whole paragraphs of insight reduced to footnotes.
I don’t usually nit-pick – why should I critisise? My own lists have come under scrutiny so many times themselves that I have nothing to gain by taking sides. Having said that, I do take the view that a ‘moment’ IS a period of time, yes, but a very small one – …hang on a moment…. wait a second…. just a mo…. yep – what we are talking about here ‘took ages’ to happen, over a much longer period. A hundred years in mans’ 100,000 year history may indeed be as fleeting as the morning dew on the tongue of a songbird but come on now.
89 L
December 11th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Few Suggestions:
Birth of nation States
1988-1992 events (hint: youtube.com/watch?v=G4JgXShjeo4)
90 Cernunnos
December 11th, 2009 at 10:27 am
religion has in no way increased our quality of life. far from it.
91 Skrillah
December 11th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Not the most exciting idea for a new list. But i think dbezan has done a good job here. Well done.
I can’t even begin to imagine a world where these things had not occurred.
92 segue
December 11th, 2009 at 10:34 am
@Scratch (68): @Randall (70): @psychosurfer (85): etc…
When I saw the title of the list I was excited. I, too, was expecting “moments” of great importance, not a vague hodge-podge of boiled down history in jumbled order.
It read like the essay portion of a 5th graders history final. At least, had it been in chronological order, it might have made sense (it certainly wasn’t in order of importance!).
I don’t want to make a huge deal out of this. There was obviously some effort put into it, and the willingness to have it published and be put on the spot. That, alone, takes nerve. So, while I don’t like your list, dbezan, I do give you full marks for courage.
93 poopi12
December 11th, 2009 at 10:34 am
absolutly right cernunnos. For instance check out what radical islam has done to afganistan, iraq, iran.
94 Woyzeck
December 11th, 2009 at 10:37 am
@Arsnl (49):
I didn’t mean to say religion makes people stupid, what I meant was that the greater sway religion holds over society, the harder it is for these ideas to flourish. This was partly why Europe experienced the Dark Ages, why Saudi Arabia and Iran are still comparitively medieval societies and why in America there are still people shitting their pants over stem cell research, and over evolution being taught in schools.
95 RedMan
December 11th, 2009 at 10:39 am
@Strobel: Actually it wasn’t that the colonists didn’t want to pay taxes they just thought the taxes were to high at that time. The funny thing is that when America gained independence taxes were not mandatory (spelled that wrong I bet) but instead voluntary. Wow how times have changed.
After reading this list I am inclined to install Age of Empires on my computer again. Decent list.
96 Laurabelle
December 11th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Interesting… but this has to be the most vague list ever written.
97 Skrillah
December 11th, 2009 at 10:42 am
@ Cernunnos 90, ”religion has in no way increased our quality of life. far from it.”
I hope ”our” means you or people you know. But for me i have to say that Buddhism ( If you take it as a religion), has shaped my life in a way that i could not have improved myself if i wasn’t ready to accept a way of life taught by an enlightened individual.
And i have friends who are very faithful muslims and catholics, Who has increased their quality of life by the path shown by their respective religions. If you could do it by yourself i respect that. But for people like me and for most of the worlds population that guidance has helped a lot.
Anyways not trying to correct you or anything. Thats the way you think, and this is the way i think.:P
98 kking
December 11th, 2009 at 10:46 am
#10 is a thirty year period (’83-’13).
Good list, otherwise.
99 Skrillah
December 11th, 2009 at 10:47 am
@ 93 poopi12 :
LOL!! How old are you? 12?
Is it radical islam thats responsible for the situation in Iraq,Iran or Afghanistan?
Seriously i don’t even know where to start explaining the facts to you since its obvious that you don’t have a clue about what’s going on over there.
100 gabi319
December 11th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Quite a quandary you’ve put me in… I’ve been all about Art (here on LV and in the real world) but this list makes me torn between my love of all things art and its use in the Renaissance article. Art is the most important, the most significant, the most influential part of the Renaissance?? Really? Really really? It could’ve been better one of two ways:
A) Discuss the breadth of the Renaissance (as Randall mentioned) as a period of expanded learning. Take on the WHOLE of the Renaissance.
B) If you were insistent on using something about Renaissance art, I would’ve gone more specific. Perhaps Brunelleschi’s work on proportions (significant in art but I still hesitate to say it would be significant enough to be “10 Incredibly significant moments” of the world) or perhaps Leonardo da Vinci and Michaelangelo’s study of anatomy by performing dissections.
What I’m trying to say is either approach them as specific time periods (e.g. The Enlightenment, the renaissance, etc.) or use specific situations within each period. This list is an ambitious concept that might have been more interesting if the topics had been narrowed down. Perhaps attempt a Take 2?
101 Stephen
December 11th, 2009 at 11:13 am
In #10 the Renaissance, you said “20 year period” but the dates given are “1483-1513″ That’s 30 years.
102 Alencon
December 11th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I have to challange the notion that the rise of religious traditions provided “rapid advances in human achievement or quality of life.”
I’m not saying the rise of religion traditions didn’t have an enormous influence on civilization, it most certainly did, but I would hesitate to call it an advance in “human achievement” or an advance in the “quality of life.”
Its more likely that religion has tended to stifle human achievement and quality of life. The former through its adherence to dogma and tradition and the latter by often focusing upon reward in the next life over the quality of this life.
Consider Galileo, the rejection of evolutionary theory, the concept of the divine right of kings and the general instruction to the masses to “not store up for yourselves treasures on earth” but rather to “store up for yourselves treasures in heaven” (Matthew 6:19-20).
103 Matt
December 11th, 2009 at 11:19 am
To those who disagree with #1:
Billions of people worldwide belong to some religion. Probably just as much have died in the name of religion. Religion resulted in the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Witchhunts, various terrorist organizations throughout history, they have shaped the laws of countless countries, and much much more.
I’m not sure about you, but I think that’s pretty damn significant.
104 hurdy gurdy man
December 11th, 2009 at 11:24 am
why is my birthday not on the list?
105 nolod1207
December 11th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Pretty shocked WW2 isn’t on here maybe its too recent idk. But idk what your talking about with #5 when u say bad philosophy and include John Locke. His philosophy is the basis for many of the revolutions and governments that have existed throughout history.
106 gabi319
December 11th, 2009 at 11:51 am
@Matt (103):
I think most people with a legitimate reason for objecting to it aren’t against its inclusion but rather how the item was explained. The paragraph for item one is a bit too rosy and the examples used don’t really explain the individual’s religion-based influence on the world or their influence on religion. Too vague. Not enough info. It’s like one of those fun size candies. Too tiny to satisfy.
107 ZibbyYamala
December 11th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
@ Cernunnos
speak for urself! don’t try and round up everyone. and to anyone else who’s bashing religion, read MATT’s comment! i was gonna type it, so thank God he did before me.
it doesn’t matter if u believe or not, it still made (and is still making) a pretty big shabow.
108 necro_penguin
December 11th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
@BravehisTickle (6): exactly what i was thinking. they all seemed a little too quickly read.
109 Yondofan12
December 11th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
These are not moments in history. These are eras or ages or something along those lines. But a moment cannot span two decades.
110 Yondofan12
December 11th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
I have heard that Michelangelo was insulted when he was asked to paint the Sistine Chapel. He was a sculptor and considered sculpting to be a more skilled art. He didn’t want to be known as a lowly painter. Apparently he even signed it as “Michelangelo, sculptor”
111 really???
December 11th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I don’t want to get off the subject here or anything but…
Why does everything have to be about America bashing.The list doesn’t have to be anything about America and here comes the hatred. What makes others better?? Please when you post negative things about American please tell us what Country you’re from. So we can nit pick and act like idiots just as you are.
America is one of the youngest countries in the world and we are very very powerful and wealthy. It’s a free country with free ideals and freedom of Religion. Maybe thats why thousands of Europeans leave their ” perfect ” countries to begin a new life here.
Said what I needed to say…
Now about Religion. I went to Catholic school my whole life. Yes, I do believe in God. No, I don’t believe in the Bible. Moses, Noah’s Arc ect.. are jokes.
Maybe there is a God. Maybe people just want something to believe in. Maybe religion was made to keep people in order.
Does it belong #1 on this list?? Absolutely. Show me a town without some kind of church. And I’ll show you a fat person who doesn’t like cheesecake. %65 of the wars were and are fought over religion.
112 calum
December 11th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
what about WW2 it kick started us into the modern age
113 John Doe
December 11th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
I think someone needs to go look up what “moment” means. A 200-year period is not a “moment.”
114 Woyzeck
December 11th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
@really??? (111):
I agree with what you said about America-bashing, but this:
“It’s a free country with free ideals and freedom of Religion. Maybe thats why thousands of Europeans leave their ” perfect ” countries to begin a new life here.”
Most of Europe has exactly the same freedoms as America in almost every respect. To claim otherwise is to fall into the arrogance which Americans are so often erroneously accused of.
115 really???
December 11th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
People are going to be really upset when Jesus comes back and he’s 4″11. Every statue or picture I see of him hes like 6 foot tall.
And don’t you think the last thing Jesus wants to see when he comes back is a damn Crucifix???
I think the tittle should say age or period but who cares. I get the list. Its not that big of a deal. We will over come this..
116 Yawyack
December 11th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
@psychosurfer (85):
“I can understand China, but England?, I can think of ten other civilizations or countries with the same or more historic weight.”
Really? Well he said contributions. So the list includes the Industrial Revolution that started in the UK. Then there are people like Newton, Milton, Smith and Darwin who were born in the UK as were many scientific greats. Their ideas spread through the British Empire, which at its peak ruled 25% of the world. The Empire created political and civil institutions around the world that are still around today. It spread Christianity and the English language. It colonised an entire continent. Its people created what is now the most powerful country in the world, the USA.
117 really???
December 11th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
@Woyzeck…
I know that most european countries are no different from America. In a form of gov. to serve the people.
I’m not ignorant to that fact.
I just don’t like that people watch the news and all of a sudden they know America. Everything is blamed on America.
Like the Danish cartoonist made a mockey of islam and all of a sudden islamic countries blamed America. Banning our products and such. I don’t even think that that newspaper was even published here.
118 Alencon
December 11th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
@ Matt (103)
Significant? Absolutely. But the Holocaust and the Black Death were also significant yet weren’t an advance in “human achievement” or the “quality of life.”
I’m just going by the list definition which was “The ten periods of history which saw the most rapid advances in human achievement or quality of life.”
This definition strikes me as limiting the set of all “significant events” to those to which the characteristics defined apply.
If you want me to ignore the descriptive text and simply go by the list title, then I have no problem with the rise of religious tradition as #1.
119 Arsnl
December 11th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
@Woyzeck (94): @Woyzeck (94): well you are making a confusion between religion and bigotism. Its like defining americans as fat gun loving rednecks. Lets just re-read the “what never to talk about on the net list” and grow up. Im not going to change your opinion (and i really dont want to) and you are not going to change mine. We’ve stepped in the stupid man’s trap. Next time i hope you will not post things like that and i hope i wont answer back. We would spear LV of all this annoying crap thats being repeated everyday across the internet. If its not constructive of funny i dont think we should post it.
ps 1.since this post isnt constructive ill try to make it funny… Neah why bother im not paid for it. I aint no dancing monkey
2. Better make it interresting. The joker has a glasow( or some call it a chelsea) grin or smile. The most shocking movie where a glasgow grin to represented i personally think is el laberinto del fauno. Anyone has other suggestions??
120 deeeziner
December 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
@GTT (82):
Yeah GTT–Didn’t you know that’s how they remain “airborne”?
121 gav
December 11th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
I agree the computer age is quite a significant step in human achievement and should have been included (as a bonus, perhaps) After all, we actually left our planet for the first time with the help of computers, increased human productivity, decreased human productivity….
122 deeeziner
December 11th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
An interesting premise for a list, mayhaps a little too daunting for a really GOOD list, in the format we’ve accepted here at the site. After all…moment/period/era…there’s A LOT of stuff actually going on during each of these entries.
But it definitely opens the door for the industrious to examine and expand upon some specifics for each entry here, as it’s own list. Hint–Hint!
Thanks for the list dbezan–It’s more than a lot of your naysayers have done.
123 GTT
December 11th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
@gabi319 (106): Too vague. Not enough info. It’s like one of those fun size candies. Too tiny to satisfy.
Well, you could say the same thing about pretty much all the entries and yet the one that seems to cause the biggest problem is (shocker!) the religion one.
124 Bill
December 11th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I have some points to make concerning the prior posts:
1a) The Bible is the Word of God.
1b) Most folks who call themselves “Christians,” do not have a clue what the Bible says (beyond knowing John 3:16 or Acts 2:38).
2a) The Constitution of the United States (and the events/people surrounding its conception) IS one of the Top 10 Incredibly Significant Moments in History.
2b) For over 200 years it created an environment where folks from all over the world tried to become its citizens. Most of the criticism from the point I make in 2a are going to come from individuals/groups in other countries whose Constitution/founding documents are not up to par with the U.S. Constitution. Those who are U.S. citizens; who do criticize it; don’t have a clue what it says.
2c) A significant majority of the people who hold/have held political office as of late in the U.S., are not adhering fully to the U.S. Constitution. This is from the President (President Obama, President Clinton, AND President Bush) on down. If they did; the United States would not be in the mess it’s currently in (and getting worse).
3a) God HAS Blessed the United States.
3b) God CAN also curse the United States.
Pro 14:34 “Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.”
Rom 2:11 “For there is no respect of persons with God.”
125 Winston
December 11th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Bill is an idiot!
Other countries do have constitutions, believe it or not, and migrants do emmigrate to other countries than the USA. So get back on your pick-up truck you gun loving, black-hating, creationist inbred.
126 archiealt
December 11th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
@Bill (123):
Mate, you’re not doing your country any favours. People like ‘Really???’ are trying to defend the image of America, then you come along and tear up all his good work. It’s a shame.
As Winston said, please fuck off back to your pick-up-truck.
127 Bill
December 11th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Thank you Winston and archielt for emphasizing my point 2b(from post #123)! I could not have done it better myself.
Rom 1:22 “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools…”
128 Atreyu3388
December 11th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Too much art, philosophy and bright minds on this list. Not enough modern American fiscal policies. Stimulus 2009? lmao jk jk
Very good list. I would agree with those who’ve said this list could be expanded, but leave that to the author/future lists. Gets you thinking though…
129 SexyPolitico
December 11th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
I would definatly agree
130 Davy
December 11th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
@Bill (123): I agree with you on your some of your statements on the Constitution, but…
…why the HELL do you think God has blessed the US?
That has to be the one of the stupidest comments yet today.
131 Davy
December 11th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
***Check that***
I don’t agree with ANY of your comments about the Constitution.
132 darkscarlet
December 11th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
For #8, Pasteur actually came up with the idea of sterilization. Lister just made it known.
And also for #1, I would consider Buddhism to be under Philosophy, rather than religion, even if it is practiced like a religion.
Otherwise, great list!
133 Yondofan12
December 11th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
@Winston (124): You are saying that Bill is an idiot and you urge him to…what was it? Oh yeah…”get back on your pick-up truck you gun loving, black-hating, creationist inbred.”
So you are telling Bill, someone that you probably have never met, that he is closed minded by insulting him and failing to acknowledge his point whatsoever.
Nice.
134 archiealt
December 11th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
@Bill (126):
Explain to me how me suggesting that you are an ignorant c**t who is nothing but a stain on this Earth, that we can only hope has not/will not ever reproduce, emphasizes your point that the American constitution is something that the whole world is jealous of. Are you saying that the only reason I hate you is because I envy your constitution. Because that is incorrect, I hate you because you are the scum of the Earth. Second only to Lady GaGa and just ahead of Stephanie Meyer on the list of people who need to fuck off pretty sharpish.
ArchieALT 9:25 “Your a fucking idiot, the world would be better without you…”
135 Emily
December 11th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
What a bunch of complainers. *I* liked the list.
136 Petie
December 11th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
@Bill (123): Some issues addressed in Romans are still relevant today. There is nothing new under the sun, my friend.
137 ianz09
December 11th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Hey guys, I know this isn’t relevant, but I just got done writing a new list (I did more research and work on it than any of my other ones), and if I just wondered if you guys think it’s worth it. I wrote Top 15 System of a Down Songs, it would mean a lot if I got support on it, I made sure to include many facts and make it interesting and entertaining, and included all the songs. So let me know if you guys think it was a good idea!
138 ianz09
December 11th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
@Bill (127): Boy Bill, you’re a pretty outspoken zealot, huh? I’m a Christian and a proud American, and somehow I haven’t become an asshole… Just lucky I guess!
139 segues
December 11th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
@ianz09 (137): gee, if I understood the title I’d probably say “go ahead!”.
140 Yondofan12
December 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
@archiealt (133): Did you have a bad day at the office? Perhaps instead of logging onto an anonymous alias on LV at the end of the day and berating anyone who says something you mildly disagree with in order to relieve the stress of your job, you should head home and make a hot cup of tea and curl up under a blanket and read a good book.
It works for me. Plus I bet our friend Bill would appreciate it if you stopped hating on him for stating his opinion. It would be better for everyone.
141 Yondofan12
December 11th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Yondofan12 2:51 “Practice being kind, rather than being right”
142 ianz09
December 11th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
@segues (139): System of a Down, my favorite band! I listed 15 of my favorite songs, along with facts, commentary, a few opinions here and there, and included the music. I really hope JFrater publishes it, I worked my happy ass of for it!
143 Bill
December 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Davy (post #129),
I’m sorry I thought I had emphasized my point-post # 123, 3a/3b (to your question; “how has God Blessed America”) through the scripture:
“Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.” Pro 14:34
In other words; if a Nation is righteous (or takes the right actions/done the right things), will be Blessed by God (individuals are blessed in this way as well). The United States, has taken more right actions than any other nation on earth (that is why we are so Blessed by God). A good example is the United States being the first Nation to recognize Israel:
“Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
(Gen 12:1-3)
Unfortunately the United States has taken many wrong (unrighteous) actions that have brought curses from God (treatment of minorities, slavery, and so forth). To quote God’s Word again:
Gal 6:7 “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
144 ULMFLB
December 11th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Some items of the list could be regrouped. I see two majors items missing: The Islamic Golden Age and the Age of Enlightenment. The view that we have today of Islamic World may be biased by the news, the war on terror, or that crap of war of civilizations, but without an Islamic Golden Age, Renaissance wouldn’t have happened.
And the Age of Enlightenment saw the US and French Revolution as result, and its influence can be felt in almost all Revolutions ever since.
145 Really???
December 11th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
archie, relax dude. I understand your frustration but this website isn’t meant for down right hatred.
@ianz09,
Usually I dislike anti-gov groups, such as Rage Against the Machine and the “new” Green Day”, but System of A Down is amazing. Love that group but isn’t Listverse worthy. haha… Who am I to say someone or something isn’t worthy.
146 Really???
December 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Nevermind archie. Bill is an idiot.
Bill please seperate church from state.
147 BlackCat
December 11th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Bill, may i ask you ,as a vilage idiot to another why is it that God blesses both america and your enemies. And how is it that the Bible that is over 50%(just guessing here it’s in no way accurate so you can simpathize) added by priests monks and kings who didnt like what it said, and if you believe those individuals were posessed by God does that mean you are for slavery and believe in witches, demons, faeries and the like.
148 ianz09
December 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
@Really??? (145): Idk, I really think they. I like Rage, but they aren’t a favorite. I mean, anarchy is entertaining and all, but I don’t live by it, and sometimes it gets to be too much.
149 Scratch
December 11th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
@Bill (124):
I have some points to make concerning your posts:
1a) The Bible is a collection of books that some people claim is the word of God.
1b) Most folks who call themselves “Christians,” do not have a clue what the Bible says, and you are one of them.
2a) The Constitution of the United States is not a moment, and although it is significant it does not belong on this list. There could be an argument for the American Revolution, but I’m not sure I’d put that on either.
2b) Please examine other the constitutions of other countries before you dismiss them. The United States has a nice one, but so do a whole heap of other countries. It seems to me that you not only believe that the Bible is the word of God, but also the American Constitution. The Constitution is rooted in its own history (i.e. the original intent no longer applies), it has flaws and it is open to interpretation. I’m beginning to see how you see similarities with it and the Bible, though.
2c) Again, the constitution was not divinely mandated nor do you and your evangelical friends have its interpretation on lock.
3a) You are conflating nationalism and religion.
3b) See 3a
150 Bill
December 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I figured a percentage of folks would get mad at what I posted, but The Truth has never been popular:
“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
(Mat 7:13-14)
However:
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
(Joh 8:32)
The Truth (God’s Word) will either cause a person to get “back on track,” with God, or manifest the spirit that is in them (as emphasized by my friend; archiealt). This will happen two ways: 1) On earth (you have time to repent), and 2) On judgment day (too late).
151 BlackCat
December 11th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Bill do you want to have an inteligent discussion, with your own ideas or just quote lines from some old book? ’cause if it’s the latter, i’ll go get my copy of snow white and the seven dwarves and we’ll have a HELL of a time.
152 Really???
December 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I thought the Bible meant ” good news “.
The Bible is loosely based on a collections of made up stories.
The stories in the bible are hundreds and thousands of years old. They were told by mouth because most people couldn’t read or write, and as they were passed down by mouth the story tellers exaggerated to make the story interesting.
Noah’s Arc and other such stories are scientifically impossible.
153 dark
December 11th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Stopping off just to get beer turned into something hardly mentioned today:the near destruction of the Native American peoples. This list is ok but at the same time misses its intended mark at times. Just an opinion.
154 Really???
December 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
black cat, I wanted to go there but you did it for me. Thanks.
I was surprised when I saw that mother goose wasn’t the author of the Bible
155 BlackCat
December 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
@Really??? (152): There’s not even any point in trying to discuss the veracity of Bible stories it’s like trying to study the veracity of Fairy tales, only but-headed stuborn individuals believe any of that is true.
156 BlackCat
December 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
@Really??? (154): Well God does seem alot like Santa :
-Long beard..check
-Knows always what you are doing and punishes you if you misbehave.
Only Snata just takes away you’re toys while God, kills your entire family…and the rest of the world.
157 BlackCat
December 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
@BlackCat (156): *your..sorry
158 Davy
December 11th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
@Scratch (149):
Concerning your point 1b…
Most people who call themselves “Christians” DO have a clue what the Bible says. The question is if they understand it or not. Bill obviously has no idea about what the Bible is truly about.
The Bible, in my opinion, can be used in one of three ways:
1) As a revered book for people like Bill who believe its the ‘Word of God’.
2) As a storybook
3) As a guide to living a good life. This, I believe, is the true purpose of the Bible.
159 BlackCat
December 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
@Davy (158): The Bible could be a great moral code exept for some partwhere it defends the idea that men are from birth superior to women, men have the right to enslave other men…and several other “oversights” i cant recall at the moment.
Though it was a good moral code at the time it was written times have changed and it hasn’t.
160 Davy
December 11th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
@BlackCat (159): Wasn’t the birth superiority and slavery from the Old Testament? I’m referring to the ‘teachings of Jesus.’ I put quotation marks around that because, whether Jesus was a real person or not, most of his ‘teachings’ are a good moral code.
161 Bill
December 11th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Perception is a powerful thing. In fact perception can “seem” stronger than truth. However there is only one Truth. It does not matter if one person believes the truth, and one million believe a perception. The Truth is still The Truth. Where did the Bible come from?
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
(2Pe 1:20-21)
Yes it was written by various individuals, but make no mistake; God IS the author, and the Bible IS His Word.
Many of the truths in God’s Word only come by those who diligently search for them:
“It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.”
(Pro 25:2)
A mocker will not come to know the powerful Truths found in God’s Word:
“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”
(2Pe 3:16)
162 tasmanian boy
December 11th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Religion would have to be one of the worst inventions in history. Without its strict suppression of science to prevent keen minds seeing through it thin skin, mankind would be hundreds of years more technologically advanced. Who knows where we would be. The rampant child sex abuse, unsurpassed riches and archaic morals mean that religion has been incredibily significant to man but in a significantly negative way. Millions of lives wasted worshiping a silly story.
163 BlackCat
December 11th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
@Davy (160): In that case I stand corrected, Jesus was a good “preacher” and had great values(or at least the Biblical Jesus does)I do believe he exosted and was an exelent rabi.
164 Sky
December 11th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
It’s extremely offensive to call the five books of Moses the ‘old testament’ when you are really referring to the five books of Moses, or the Torah. The Christian old testament was created many years later, and bears little resemblance to the original books.
165 BlackCat
December 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
@Bill (161): Aww i´ve been called many thing’s but never a mocker, it makes me feel all giddy inside.
166 BlackCat
December 11th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
@Sky (164): Don’t worry we’re not here to offend jews today we’re bashing on Evangelists.
167 Davy
December 11th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
@BlackCat (163): I’m glad we’re in agreement.
168 8rustystaples
December 11th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Why does it seem like every comment thread always has an element of USA-bashing?
Saying “they” believe they’re the center of the universe is a gross generalization and perpetuates stereotypes, much like saying the French are spineless, the British are pompous, and Eastern Europe is a festering pit of crime and poverty.
If everyone believes these lists are too American-centric, you’re welcome to submit your own lists. But that would be proactive and being a part of the solution. Whining on the internet is much easier, I suppose.
It wasn’t so long ago that I enjoyed viewing Listverse, but it seems that inane, long-distance insults to individuals and groups is the eventual outcome of any website that allows postings.
Listverse isn’t even very old, and I already miss the old Listverse.
169 Vemo
December 11th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Rustystaples @168,
You miss the point of the whining. The list was NOT US centric, and as a consequence, the first comment complained about the lack of US content.
You actually have it the other way around – it was Americans complaining about the lack of US content, not the opposite.
If you want to enter a debate, its probably best to be clear on what is being debated first.
170 The Push-me-Pull-you
December 11th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Quit whining about America-bashing. Of all the things to whine about, that is the absolute least.
Now, about this list. It wasn’t a good idea. You can’t do some short on-line list about great periods in history. There’s no time to back up your statements, which is absolutely essential because otherwise we’re just reading a blurb. I want to know why dbezan thinks that Locke was a bad philosopher, and what kinds of contributions Rome has made to what cultures. Don’t leave it up to the comments to fill in the gaps in your list.
171 Acid
December 11th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
usa is free???? there is no such thing as freedom as long as you have a system of government. (or strict religious principles)
yes, religion isnt evil but those who invented it were, after all its the greatest get-rich-quick scheme.
172 Kay
December 11th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Some Americans are selve-centered. But not everyone! Some people are very ignorent in other countries too. But not everyone. No flippen country is perfect. I don’t think religion is bad. But for some of the people who interrprete it like they know everything is another matter. Some people don’t seem to understand that the bible was not written by God. And people thought differently back then. Some people take the bible way to literally! They take one line from it and shape it to mean something different.
173 jazjsmom
December 11th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
I think America-bashing has become the world’s funnest sport lately. No whining here, but be realistic, you cannot fault every citizen for the “wrongs perceived”. Plus, #22 the taxation was not the only problem that caused the revolution. The English government gave exclusive rights to The East India Company and monopolized that market for them, this led to American Colonists not being able to continue selling their own tea products and demanding that they not be taxed without representation. Long story, their voice was not heard, much like it is starting to feel like again in our country. I am not always happy by what my government’s choices are or the things they do, the good thing is I can say that without fear. So, I don’t care if people bash my country, I love it here and would not live anywhere else. Plus, the comment was started, it seemed to me with a sarcastic tone, because how many times have we heard, isn’t this list to American? Please, give it a rest, I enjoy all the lists. That’s why I come here and I think the majority just enjoy reading them as I do, in fact my favorite ones have nothing to do with America. I tend to enjoy the unusual recordings, or photographs, anything dealing with history that I may not have known. The more fascinating facts are the ones that intrigue me most.
174 Bill
December 11th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
One should always take the Bible “literally.” Why, because the Bible Is God (unlike most human beings; God means what He says and says what He means):
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
(Joh 1:1-3)
In every age, there is a percentage of human beings who think they are somehow “enlightened,” and/or “progressive,” if they reject the Bible as God’s Word. Unfortunately, they are basing this perception on the extremely limited life experience/learning they have acquired over a span of time that pales in comparison to eternity. However, if God suddenly appeared to them and asked the same questions He asked Job, they would suddenly come to the revelation that they (in reality) knew nothing:
“Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;”
(Job 38:1-6)
Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
(Job 40:1-2)
175 Yondofan12
December 11th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Bill is DA shit!
176 Woyzeck
December 11th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
@Arsnl (119):
No, you are the one who is wrong, not me. Want me to back that statement up? Then give me a fucking argument, not some pathetic whining plea to “grow up”. I backed up what I had to say. If you disagree, then please provide reasons why. Otherwise you are the ignorant one and it is you who oughta “grow up”.
177 Woyzeck
December 11th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
By the way…
Religion RETARDS the intellect. Prove me the fuck wrong, because I’m sick of proving myself the fuck RIGHT.
All y’alls are motherfucking idiots. Apart from JFray and Randall. The rest of you can suck my fucking balls.
178 astraya
December 11th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Wrong! God has always existed. The bible hasn’t. Therefore, the bible isn’t God.
QED and you’re an idiot. Say something sensible or fuck off.
179 deeeziner
December 11th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Bill..oh Billllll…I think the men in the white coats have arrived for you!!
Seriously though, can you take your scripture quoting talents to one of the lists here that is actually devoted to the subject of religion?
180 Woyzeck
December 11th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
If there is an all-knowing and all-powerful God, then the Bible and how we interpret it is entirely his design. So therefore, if the Bible exists then the Bible is God. Otherwise it is a book of bullshit fairytales written by humans. Duuurrrrrrr, which seems more likely?
181 Randall
December 11th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
@Woyzeck (177):
Thank you. I am touched by your compliment.
And Thank you. Thank you for excluding me from the group that should “suck your balls.” I like you, but I should not like to do *that.*
182 mom424
December 11th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
I thought todays list to be a little meager on the reasoning; if the author had explained/defended his choices a little better or in a little more depth it would have been much better.
I think most of us are missing the point about Religion being significant; it has nothing to do with personal beliefs but the effect on humanity and society. Religious beliefs had to be spread (it doesn’t matter the motive – salvation or control) leading to not only the printing press, but also to an entire group of folks being freed up from the day to day scrabble of existence, giving them time to think. Thomas Aquinas, Confuscious; just two examples.
Also the whole love thy neighbour thing – don’t forget that. It’s very important. And not solely a Christian ideal; it’s central to Eastern religions and yes, to Islam as well (despite the perversions we’re seeing today from the very scary vocal minority); the shift in attitude was amazing, groundbreaking, transforming – we’re all in it together, equal in the eyes of god, blah, blah, blah. This shift in attitude actually allowed us to question authority, not the other the way around. The humble beggar and the mighty King – equal in the eyes of the Lord/Allah/Whatever.
183 mom424
December 11th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
@Bill (174): You can’t use Biblical verse to justify your beliefs. It doesn’t work because in order for it to work everybody else would have to accept your source material. And that’s the argument isn’t it? And the USA being blessed? C’mon. Blessed with lots of resources maybe. Good climate too. But that’s it.
184 The_Snowdog
December 11th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
@177 Woyzeck…
“Religion RETARDS the intellect. Prove me the fuck wrong, because I’m sick of proving myself the fuck RIGHT.
All y’alls are motherfucking idiots. Apart from JFray and Randall. The rest of you can suck my fucking balls.”
Religion retards the intellect huh? After reading your post then I have to conclude you are the Pope.
185 justcurious1
December 11th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
I love history, and this was an awesome list. However, Locke outlined some important concepts that are the foundation of our country.
186 Randall
December 11th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
@Bill (174):
Who is to say that god does not communicate to us through metaphor, rather than that which is literal? Why should literal communication be considered superior and more reflective of god’s intent than a metaphoric communication?
YOU, a man, are making that determination. God hasn’t made it. The Bible does not come with an author’s preface that says “the words herein should be interpreted literally.”
Job, Bill, is a book of supreme and powerful poetry. It is a teaching work, and meant to teach a particular lesson about faith. If you take Job as a lesson on how to *live,* however, you are making a grievous error. Job is used terribly by god and satan in a sort of game; the fact that at the end Job has his reward does not negate the fact that he has been so used.
Now, the answer that a modern man could give to god, when he asked the questions asked of Job–well, that’s an easy one. Job could not say this, but we can:
No, Lord. I was not there. I don’t claim the mantle that is yours. I would not want it. I do not want it. But I have a question for *you* in return: why, if you insist upon blind fealty and a literal interpretation of your Word, then why did you give us minds to think with and souls that have a desire and curiosity to seek answers?
We’re not children anymore, Bill. For good or ill. I suggest people like *you* grow up and realize that. You are analogous to the timid, weak child who hides his timidity as he grows in outward displays of bluster, but inside is utterly unwilling—out of fear and lack of character–to step up and take responsibility for his own life–instead opting to follow precisely in the footsteps his parents followed, do exactly as they did, think exactly as they did, question NOTHING that they have told him, and never wave in the slightest from the commands they have given him.
If god meant that for us, I submit then that god was a fool, and we are fools for following his direction.
I personally don’t believe god to be a fool. I’m his creation and I have no desire to swallow the Bible and regurgitate it like a robotic factory of ideas and actions that merely copies what was said in it–and does nothing else whatsoever. I would like to think for myself. If that *isn’t* god’s plan–oh well. That’s what I want. But frankly, I think it IS his plan.
Who’s to say I’m not right… you? Why? You’re just another human being like me. You have no more divine spark than I do. You have no greater insight into god than I.
So please retire from this and go preach to the sheep who will listen to you–if they have the patience.
187 mom424
December 11th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
@Woyzeck (177): I better not be in the ball-sucking brigade either.
And good evening Randall.
188 Randall
December 11th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
@mom424 (187):
Good evening to you too, Mom. Will you make me some warm milk?
Is it as cold up there in your frosty wasteland as it is here, south of Lake Ontario? I’m chilled to the bone.
I have just returned from Christmas shopping for my lovely daughters, in the company of a lovely lady friend. She’s here now, chuckling at the silliness of all this.
Oh how nice, I’ve been presented with a glass of wine.
ciao…
189 mom424
December 11th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
@Randall (188): No warm milk here; how’s about a nice fat joint instead? (yeah for the Canadian attitude towards cannabis) Besides I’m certain that the lady friend can think up some much better way to induce relaxation. Maybe burn a few calories too!
190 Woyzeck
December 11th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Go Randall Go!
Mom, you don’t have to suck my balls because you’re, well, mom.
@The_Snowdog (184):
If I’m the Pope then you’re a fucking altar boy. Open wide.
191 mom424
December 11th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
@Woyzeck (190): I was hoping that I wouldn’t have to suck your balls because I’m not a moron…..but I’ll take whatever out you give me.
192 Ozz
December 11th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Um, I agree Religion has had significance, but it has certainly not been a positive thing. The Burdon of Faith has left the Middle East in a state of social retardation and the Christen Dark prevented the development of culture so aggressively that only the combination of a devastating plague and the rediscovery of Greek texts was necessary to give science, humanism, democracy, ext the breath of life it needed. Dogma still dogs us, the American Republicans and European Labor Party are largely influenced by bronze age tombs with no root in reality. To say nothing of the Islamic lobbyists trying to make “Blaspheming” a crime. Mmm so they want to make free speech pertaining to faith legal, does that sound at all familiar?
193 The_Snowdog
December 11th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
@Woyzeck (190):
You should heed the advice of the late great Mark Twain:
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
194 ianz09
December 11th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Woyzeck, am I required to partake in the ball sucking?
195 ouiareborg
December 11th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
No mention of anything having to do with Egypt…amazing. Anyway, it’s so true about this being a Right-Wing Republican site. What’s amazing too, is that so much of the info has been copied from other sources(Book of Lists), re-packaged, and making a good penny. That’s what you do instead of talent, I guess. JF?
196 Shifty
December 11th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
@Woyzeck (177): Would you mind shaving? I’ve already flossed this evening.
197 Bill
December 12th, 2009 at 12:27 am
Make no mistakes my friends; God’s Will be done on earth as well as heaven. All of us are pawns in His hands.
198 Haha
December 12th, 2009 at 12:36 am
Ouiareborg, are you some kind of nut-case? I guarantee you my friend that this website doesn’t make the least bit of profit from these lists. Do you even know who Jamie Frater is? Have you ever heard of the opera my friend? Lunatic, Right Wing he says, I think we are the heart pumping blood to the wings you egotistical maniac!
Also, HAHA!
199 Grinkle
December 12th, 2009 at 12:56 am
Moments…Moments??
200 porkido
December 12th, 2009 at 1:01 am
OK, Bill…that’s nice.
201 donald
December 12th, 2009 at 1:30 am
Wow. Bill has gotten a lot of publicity for his fanatic bible quoting frenzy. Religious fanatics like you should duel it a muslim with his qu’ran. Religious fanatics like you are so blinded by the fact that the inspiration you feel is probably shared by your friend the muslim, jew, buddhist or adherent to any other religion. Your unflinching stupidity on insistence that your religion is the only one blah blah blah blah is what creates 90 percent of the wars that have been fought in this world. and you justify it with old books that which by they way; are probably not to be taken literally by every devout christian. you’re telling me that you believe that jonah lived in a whale for three days?. do you know how impossible it would be to live in a stomach? are you telling me that you believe noah built an ark filled with pairs of every single animal on earth? at the very least, have the audacity to accept the views of your fellow neighbours and stop being so blindly stubborn to every view that is not your own.
202 L
December 12th, 2009 at 1:43 am
@Stephen (101): In #10 the Renaissance, you said “20 year period” but the dates given are “1483-1513″ That’s 30 years.
They had to sleep some time
203 thepenks
December 12th, 2009 at 3:01 am
how about england or netherland invansion on asia??
204 me
December 12th, 2009 at 3:38 am
what!!
just two references to eastern world
that is just pure sadness….descending upon the world
205 astraya
December 12th, 2009 at 3:40 am
“Religion RETARDS the intellect. Prove me the fuck wrong, because I’m sick of proving myself the fuck RIGHT.”
Exhibits A and B for the assertion that religion does NOT retard the intellect: Nicholas Copernicus and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.
206 mandy
December 12th, 2009 at 4:56 am
@ dbrownl Oh haha sorry :p
207 mandy
December 12th, 2009 at 4:58 am
@ Mindymoo hehe your welcome!
208 mandy
December 12th, 2009 at 5:08 am
@ AnAwfulOtt (15) It sounded arrogant and i hadnt picked up on his sarcasm in his statement so i had a little rant about americans being up them self’s. I do not mean to show disrespect there are people like that in other countries too perhaps its the media that sometimes sheds about light on alot of americans that gives people a negative view. I just had when americans act like there the center of the universe
209 mandy
December 12th, 2009 at 5:20 am
@ Ben Dover (45)
Get your head out of your ass and go travel! I have been lucky enuph to have traveled all over the world from a young age. I am not a bitter American Im an Australian
P.s. We have free health care so suck it bitch
210 The Annoyed Elephant
December 12th, 2009 at 6:16 am
Wow. There’s some tetchy people around here.
1. People who deny that religion has played a significant role in the development of civilization are ignorant of civilization (and religion). The development of all of civilization – ALL of it – is tied closely to the way that cultures explain the world around them – especially those things they can’t explain. From a purely sociological point of view, humans – all of us – NEED a religion of some type.
2. Most of those who are whining about religion are usually atheists (or at least anti-Christians) who are simply looking to evangelize their own beliefs. Yeah – atheism… agnosticism… naturalism… all religions.
3. Yes, lots of bad things have been done in the name of religion. I could also claim that a giant floating cheeseburger told me to bet my life savings on a spin of the roulette wheel. Such a statement…. is an excuse to cover up the real problem. War and evil in the name of religion usually covers up the fact that said war and evil are usually committed for much less honorable reasons than “The Bible Told Me So”… reasons like “You have what I want, and so I’m going to take it and claim God told me to so that I can feel justified in something that is totally against my religion”.
4. Western Civilization would not be what it is today without Christianity. To those of you who hate Christianity, get over it. Hate Christianity all you want, but at least be honest with yourself and admit that concepts like science, free speech, etc. would not exist if it hadn’t been for Christianity.
5. You could say the same thing about Eastern Civilization and Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism (and, to a lesser degree, Christianity).
6. The only civilization built around the godlessness that some of you glorify was the Soviet Union. How’d that one work out again?
211 me
December 12th, 2009 at 6:32 am
@The Annoyed Elephant (211):
i m no religion-basher but u have said some things that need to be put back into the perspective….
free speech, bah humbug – that as a concept has arrived just now in the western world but it has been accepted in the eastern civilizations for a damn long time and be sure of one thing it is not a product of any religion coz no religion encourages free speech
USSR – godless, sure.. but it was build on a great concept though can’t say the same about the result
also just so you now that i am no religion hater, i agree that every civilization has a deep rooted connect to the religion
and science, art and mathematics have developed due to this relation
212 The Annoyed Elephant
December 12th, 2009 at 6:46 am
>> it has been accepted in the eastern civilizations for a damn long time
So, wandering around China in the 15th Century screaming that the Emperor was a demonic fairy… or even better, wandering around and screaming “Mohammed is a Pig-Lover”…
What was that about free speech again?
Let’s be honest: the modern concept of free speech (like it or not) began with the US Constitution. It’s why I can openly call Barack Obama a drooling retard, and as long as I don’t make a threat against his person (which I would not and will never do), the government is powerless against me.
That’s why free speech works: because under the American system (at least, the way it’s supposed to be), the government is subservient to the voter.
>> USSR – godless, sure.. but it was build on a great concept
What great concept? Take what people have, redistribute a small percentage of it and toss those who disagree in gulags?
>> also just so you now that i am no religion hater
Good for you. Frankly, even if someone hates religion, that’s OK, too. I just want people to be honest about it.
Disclaimer: I am a Christian, proud of it, and think the world would be a better place if everyone believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ – and actually LIVED according to the standards He set. Sadly, we’re all a bunch of screw-ups who don’t. And that includes us Christians.
213 The Annoyed Elephant
December 12th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Dang… took out an important part of “wandering around ‘insert middle eastern country here that isn’t named Israel’ and screaming “mohammed is a pig-lover”….
Well, the part that made it funny, anyway.
214 L
December 12th, 2009 at 6:49 am
@The Annoyed Elephant (211): 6. “The only civilization built around the godlessness that some of you glorify was the Soviet Union. How’d that one work out again?”
Soviet Union was just a Russian Empire in different clothes. It was Empire while it was.. gody? godful? it was empire while it was godless.
Yous say it was only godless civilization? I say all other civilizations that collapsed were religious
215 Woyzeck
December 12th, 2009 at 7:06 am
@The_Snowdog (193):
There is one problem with your argument – I don’t open my mouth to type, you scrote.
“In religion and politics, people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second hand, and without examination.”
- Mark Twain.
“In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards.”
- Mark Twain.
216 Woyzeck
December 12th, 2009 at 7:13 am
@ianz09 (194):
That I leave up to you.
@Shifty (196):
Don’t try and change me, baby.
217 Bill
December 12th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Here are the top 4 greatest events in recorded history: 1) God gives His Word; the Bible to humans. 2) The birth of the nation of Israel. 3) The rebirth of the nation of Israel. 4) The birth of the United States.
218 RedMan
December 12th, 2009 at 9:33 am
@Bill: If god appeared before me I would merely piss on him/her for creating such a horrible creature like us. If there is a god we are mere amusement to him/her and nothing more. Yep that’s what I think.
219 oouchan
December 12th, 2009 at 9:35 am
@RedMan (219): If there is a god, I would picture him sitting on a couch, drinking a bud and playing the biggest SIM game ever created.
220 BlackCat
December 12th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Sti@Bill (218): Bill why don’t you just give up , and stop spewing dribles about “God’s Word” no one’s buying it .
A literal interpretation of the bible is one of the dumbest things i’ve heard of(even a methaforical interpretation of it is a bit shady). If you want to, make your own list I could use the laughs.
221 Towel
December 12th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I don’t know when the Roman Republic was first created, but I do know that the Roman Empire didn’t fall till about 470 CE. Unless you are talking about the prime of the Roman Empire, when it was at its peak.
222 Daemon
December 12th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Bill is a bible bot! isn’t it obvious?
223 Bill
December 12th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
When your eyes close in death…you will see that God, is the God of the Bible. In case anyone is wondering; I have been making my posts, not to try and “convert” anybody, but because I belive God giving His Word (the Bible), is the greatest event in human history (and the greatest show of Love the world has ever known)! I gather, alot of folks have a diffent opinion than I (duh, ya think?
. FYI; God is Love, it is my greatest desire for everyone to experance God like I have (and beyond). God Will blow your mind…if you let Him.
224 Woyzeck
December 12th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
@Bill (223):
And if you don’t, this loving, all-knowing and all-powerful God will send you to Hell. In fact, most of us will wind up in Hell. And this loving God knew which of us were going to Hell when he created us. Go figure.
225 citrus
December 12th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
good job Randal…I agree with what he said….
226 BlackCat
December 12th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
@Bill (223): Bil I can kinda relate seeing as I want to do the same thing(from the oposite side though)but I try not to, seing as everyone should have the right to believe what they want, but no one should be forced to believe something they dont want to.
227 Yondofan12
December 12th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
@Bill (223): You should be careful about writing too much on here. When you anonymously publish a manifesto after killing 12 people in “the name of God” they might cross-reference your writing style with Listverse posts. Just looking out for ya!
228 graceless
December 12th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
i don’t see how the first and second industrial revolution could not be #1 & 2. There’s no way to deny the massive impact they had on society, population, economics, & science across the globe.
(also have to go on record as agreeing w/ so many more that referring to locke and hobbes as bad philosophy is ridiculous.)
229 Ekaitz
December 12th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
@The Annoyed Elephant
“the modern concept of free speech (like it or not) began with the US Constitution”
Sorry, I’ve got to pull you up on that. In 1689 England got the ball rolling, and the French revolution issued a declaration of freedom of speech before Americans had their bill of rights. Not everything starts in America by the way. Not American yourself are you, by any chance?
230 LoveLife57
December 12th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Where is Africa’s contribution on this list?
231 LoveLife57
December 12th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
How is Africa not on a significant moments in history list!!, im stunned right now, everyone should increase true history skills
232 stefan
December 12th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Okay.. so back in the day when listverse was a site for entertainment, people appreciated what was contributed, users didnt fight and abuse each other and all lists were generally liked by the masses…
but now everyones so fucking anal about everything.. where’s this? wheres that? why isnt this here? etc etc
it does my fucking head in.. youtube is a place for 13 year old kids to go on about bullshit, and now listverse is turning out to be the adult version of youtube.
its a list of 10 items, not everything can be included.. if there isnt enough detail to satisfy your pathetic needs.. SEARCH DEEEPEEERRR !!!
fuckkkkkk get a life and fuck off if you dont like the site and stop fighting like bitches. thanks
and finally, YAY greece’s contribution to the world is 2nd !
233 k1w1taxi
December 12th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
@The Annoyed Elephant (56):
Africa? South America? Hello? One would think that, say, the American enslavement of Africans was important in that A) it was evil; and B) it spread a non-European culture around the globe.
Nope. Don’t see any great lasting significance from Africa or South America. Any significance they have in the History of The World would pre date Recorded Civilization.
And sorry but in what way did it spread a non European culture around the world. The only thing I can think of that comes into that category is the music, and good though it may be I don’t really think you could call it significant.
Cheers
Lee
234 k1w1taxi
December 12th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
@ouiareborg (195):
Right Wing site. Just last week it was a left leaning liberal Obama loving love fest site.
Jamie would you please MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND
(that means humour for the retards like ouiareborg)
Cheers
Lee
235 ouiareborg
December 12th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
K1w1taxi and HaHa,
Grow a Dick. You talk shit, but that is all. I travel quite a bit, and would love to talk in person. Please grow a dick and we can arrange to meet. Also, before you take the cowards way out, I, almost surely make more money than you, and the lowest score on an IQ test(While nursing a hangover), was 158. So, although, it’s probably humiliating, that someone is smarter, more talented than you, and can kick your ass. that’s your problem. Let me know.
236 Ozz
December 12th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Tetchy? I’ve no idea what you mean by that, but I suspect it’s Annoying to be that stupid, though Elephants are normal quite smart, there one of the few animals that seem to have some understanding of death.
Atheism is the lack of a belief in god or gods, it’s actually derives from the Greek word “atheos” meaning “without god”
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism
Agnosticism, by contrast is nether theism or Atheism, it’s just claming the ultimate truth about some things is unknowable (i.e: we will never know). An Agnostic can be a theist, atheist or just not give a crap.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Agnosticism
Unlike the two above Naturalism is not simple so I’m not going to simplify it for you chap, you just have to “gasp” look into it your self.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Naturalism
I suppose if your really “Poison Ivy” obsessed with it Naturalism might be a belief system, but it only becomes a religion when you use unfounded assumptions or non-science to ground said beliefs.
Agnosticism is defiantly not a religion because it’s just a basic philosophy that can be explained in one or two sentences, religions are massive belief systems that require faith to sure them up.
Finally, and this is key children, Atheism is a total lack of religion/faith, it’s no more it’s own religion then bald is a hair color or vacuum is a gas. Atheists don’t derive anything from a lack of belief in god or a complex series of myths, because by definition, we don’t buy into any of that.
Claming that going with religion is in it self a religion is more than just contradicter stupid, it reeks of an unripe mind trying to scream “Ha, Ha, your just as bad as us”.
237 ianz09
December 13th, 2009 at 12:24 am
@ouiareborg (235): Bulllllllllllllllllllllllshiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
238 astraya
December 13th, 2009 at 12:32 am
Reference to Hitler = you LOSE the argument
Appeal to IQ score = you LOSE the argument AND the respect of everyone else on the discussion thread (as evidenced by ianz’s 236)
239 Haha
December 13th, 2009 at 2:26 am
Hey Ouiareborg,
My IQ is One Hundred Seventy Five, I own four restaurants that make about 1000 to 5000 US Dollars on good days, and I don’t have a strange obsession with dicks. Oh and lest I forget that I myself travel almost weekly to Tokyo, Berlin, and London.
240 Haha
December 13th, 2009 at 2:30 am
Oh I forgot to mention that I practice Krav Maga and Judo. So no, it’s not very humiliating at all.
241 Mark II
December 13th, 2009 at 2:38 am
You Ouiareborg are very wrong,
Full of arrogance and hatred towards the world. Extremely
unnecessary talk of your IQ and wage. Your obsession with
crotches is truly a bizarre thing. I do not understand what
kind of person does these things.
You need help my friend and I think analyzing this message
ought to help you make up your mind on the matter. I truly
understand your dilemma, I mean that.
242 Magnus
December 13th, 2009 at 3:32 am
I want a motivation for Hobbes and Locke being bad philosophers. They might not be as complicated as Hegel or Kant, but being complicated isn’t a goal in itself. Neither does it create a large philosophic penis.
Albert Einstein’s greatest quote comes to mind:
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.”
243 7raul7
December 13th, 2009 at 3:51 am
Worst. List. Ever.
Seriously, THIS is a list ?
244 The Annoyed Elephant
December 13th, 2009 at 5:55 am
@Ekaitz (229): 1689, England KINDA got the ball rolling, except that it was a very limited rolling.
The 1689 document guaranteed the right to free speech… in Parliament. This was eventually extended to the British Subjects, Or, as the act put it: “# That the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament”.
As for the French, yeah, Article XI does contain the right to free speech, etc. But this is predated by the work of none other than Alexander Hamilton to extend the aforementioned British Act to Citizens via the colonial courts (John Peter Zenger).
245 The Annoyed Elephant
December 13th, 2009 at 5:58 am
@L (214):
To some degree, you’re right. All empires rise and fall, regardless of religion. What I’m addressing is the idea that State-Sponsored (or Mandated) Atheism is some sort of panacea for all of our ills.
Besides, the reason the USSR collapsed didn’t have anything (or much of anything) to do with their religion. They collapsed because of their unsustainable economy and deplorable human rights records.
On the other hand, they did give us “Gorky Park”.
246 The Annoyed Elephant
December 13th, 2009 at 6:00 am
@k1w1taxi (233):
>> And sorry but in what way did it spread a non European culture around the world.
>> The only thing I can think of that comes into that category is the music, and
>> good though it may be I don’t really think you could call it significant.
See kids? This is what happens when you make racist comments on a blog. You end up looking like a complete loon that ends up mocked by everyone.
Go have yourself a peanut butter sandwich.
247 Ekaitz
December 13th, 2009 at 7:24 am
@The Annoyed Elephant
As I’m sure you’re aware, the ‘modern concept’ of freedom of speech evolved quite gradually but neither begun nor concluded in America. It was fuelled by the tenets of the Age of Enlightment which again focused nearly entirely on European philosophers. England did start the ball rolling, as any freedom of speech law, even in parliament, was unheard of in the US and in France at that time. Previously, limited freedom of speech existed in many ancient civilisations including Greece, Rome and what is now Iran. Despite the obvious restrictions on freedom of speech in the US, it is a very patriotic thing for Americans to believe in. There’s nothing wrong with that, so long as they understand that like so many ‘American inventions’, it wasn’t an American idea to start off with!
And as a general note to everyone…
Funny. I came to listverse because I thought the readership would be a little more educated and civilised. Instead, it’s just the same as any site. Full of lonely teenagers making up bizarre fantasies about their lives – owning restaurants, having superhuman IQ scores, pulling all the ladies. Seriously, isn’t in pathetic? If you have to start mentioning things like that, you have serious esteem issues. I mean really? Please people, be ashamed.
248 Shiza
December 13th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Holy Shit!!! Look at Mark II’s post! It spells “F U C K Y O U” on the Left hand side downwards!
Full of arrogance and hatred towards the world. Extremely
unnecessary talk of your IQ and wage. Your obsession with
crotches is truly a bizarre thing. I do not understand what
kind of person does these things.
You need help my friend and I think analyzing this message
ought to help you make up your mind on the matter. I truly
understand your dilemma, I mean that.
^ Look at it starting from up! This schmuck must be a genious!
249 Kwasdjfaerufgjnvaeru
December 13th, 2009 at 8:28 am
u spelt GENIOS rong!
250 LOL!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:30 am
You spelled everything else wrong Kwasdjfaerufgjnvaeru, also @ Shiza, Thats a type of code I think?
251 Kris
December 13th, 2009 at 8:58 am
@ 232 ….I’m thirteen and I love listverse…it might mainly be adults on here, but just saying…some kids with brains might actually like intellectual sites too.=]
252 HOMER SIMPSON
December 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
@197 BILL: “All of us are pawns in His hands”
Well then gods an asshole. I think that’s a valid argument.
253 nuriko
December 13th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
very nice…
254 David Hyde
December 13th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
These are MOMENTS???? Come on now, words have meaning. What is a moment? Look it up.
255 segues
December 13th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
@Really??? (152): “I thought the Bible meant ” good news “.
****
No. Gospel means “good news”.
Sorry it took me so long to respond, put I was out of touch for a couple of weeks and am still getting caught up.
I wonder why Bill didn’t know this? He’s so into bible-whacking and all?
256 segues
December 13th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Oh! Sorry. I was just told the correct term is “bible-thumping”, not “bible-whacking”.
My apologies.
257 jewditzsue
December 13th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Didn’t learn much and it wasn’t that interesting. Also very vague.
258 Lauryn
December 13th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
@Bill (174): It’s all well and good to state that the Bible should be taken literally – however, the bible was originally written by MAN in hebrew and much, much later, translated into English by a MAN. Because no man is perfect, suffice to say, that is leaving a lot of room for error. You have no way of knowing, for certain, that the quotes you have referenced are God’s will, verbatim. To claim that you do, is blasphemous, as no mere man can know God’s true will. We can only interpret it and humbly act in good faith as best we know how.
Further, I am not an American, however, I have a lot of respect for the American Constitution, in the context of which is was originally written. However, over time, like anything else man-made, it has been manipulated and changed over time to suit the interest of individuals. To say that America’s founding is one of the greatest moments in history, is ridiculous. If you bothered to leave America, and travel to other countries and experience the history and culture that exists elsewhere, you will learn that America is simply a piece of one very large puzzle. Without it, the world would not be complete, yet it is no more important than any other piece of the puzzle.
259 bassbait
December 14th, 2009 at 12:56 am
At Lauryn (258)
Ya, America is one piece in a puzzle, but that piece isn’t more important, it just embodies the puzzle more than the rest. America is the kind of place where all those cultures you mentioned go when they realize they can’t live that way. It’s the melting pot, and America just sums up what the earth is, even though people outside America will say that Americans are a certain way…
We aren’t, because there are so many of us and so many different kinds, different cultures, different intellects, over all, America is the summary of what the earth is. It’s got a little of everything. If you want to know MORE about cultures that exist elsewhere, you have to leave America, but as for American culture, we don’t have any, we just blend them all into one country.
Now that that’s over…
I hear something about Shakespeare…
Personally, I think he just isn’t a good writer. He’s just older. He didn’t exactly do too much amazing things, people just got inspired by him. All that talk about love and revenge, it’s all a bunch of vomit bag material for me. He contributed towards literature, but for me, in a bad way. He doesn’t have any awesome Sci-fi or Thrillers. It’s all boring crap that gets shoved down your throat in high school. Honestly, while we are reading crap like that, our teachers are reading more interesting books like One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
260 Next Step
December 14th, 2009 at 1:43 am
The list is good, but it is another west centric list that does its best claim world status but only ends up falling flat on its face.
The author could have done all of us a huge favour if he had stuck to naming the list 10-incredibly-significant-moments-in-western-history.
261 lolkewl
December 14th, 2009 at 2:01 am
i agree with #1. truth is, everyone has been influenced because of religions. not saying it is bad, but the fact that you are pro or against it is because you’ve been influenced by it, bad or good.
262 Maximuz04
December 14th, 2009 at 3:39 am
This list reeks of “i never studied anything but european history, but decided to throw in so I dont get bashed”. The Chinese civilization was far more important than given credit… this list is ridiculous. Also no Islamic golden age? No rise of chiefdoms in Africa?
263 Tom
December 14th, 2009 at 8:04 am
No mention of the computer age? I would say that computers have put a pretty big dent in a lot of people’s lives. My personal opinion is that computers have changed the world more drastically than any other human endeavor and in very short order.
264 8rustystaples
December 14th, 2009 at 10:13 am
@ Vemo, 169
You obviously don’t understand sarcasm which is present in the first comment.
Please be quiet and let the adults talk.
265 Larry
December 14th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
This site has become full of a bunch of America haters. People always hate the top dog.
266 Davy
December 14th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
@Woyzeck (177): And you can lick my ass.
267 Maggot
December 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
@segues (256): Oh! Sorry. I was just told the correct term is “bible-thumping”, not “bible-whacking”.
My apologies.
You were right the first time. Quite obviously, he whacks to it.
268 Maggot
December 14th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
@ianz09 (137): I wrote Top 15 System of a Down Songs, it would mean a lot if I got support on it…So let me know if you guys think it was a good idea!
I think it will be too SoaD-centric.
269 ianz09
December 14th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
@Maggot (268): Oh but Maggot, wouldn’t be a good thing?
270 Yawyack
December 14th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
@bassbait (259):
“America is the kind of place where all those cultures you mentioned go when they realize they can’t live that way.”
Wow. Just wow. Why can’t other cultures survive how they have being? Why do they need to be Americanized? And you will find, thanks to the CIA World Factbook, that the US are only 25th in the world in the net migration rate at a rate of 4.31 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2009 est.).
“We aren’t, because there are so many of us and so many different kinds, different cultures, different intellects, over all, America is the summary of what the earth is. It’s got a little of everything.”
If you used the same surface area or population as the US in anywhere in Europe, Africa or Asia then you will find them far more diverse.
“Now that that’s over…
I hear something about Shakespeare…
Personally, I think he just isn’t a good writer. He’s just older. He didn’t exactly do too much amazing things, people just got inspired by him. All that talk about love and revenge, it’s all a bunch of vomit bag material for me. He contributed towards literature, but for me, in a bad way.”
St. Crispin’s Day speech. ‘Nuff said on the quality of his writing. Shakespeare also Anglicized over 1000 Latin and Hellenic words. And a lot of his phrases are still used today, and you’ll be using them without ever realising their origin. I’d give you a list of some, but I gotta go.
271 Neetole
December 15th, 2009 at 6:42 am
No World Wars??????????? :O atleast mention Hitler!
272 segues
December 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
@Maggot (267):…You were right the first time. Quite obviously, he whacks to it.
****
As I suspected….but notice! He fails to respond!
273 GT
December 16th, 2009 at 2:01 am
I think you’ve (unintentionally, of course,) left out a few grand inventions and discoveries of ancient Indians
274 Sadie
December 16th, 2009 at 8:35 am
What about the French Revolution? That was one of the most important eras in human history…and religion…no one can even pin-point when the OT was written or the gospels for that matter…
275 Bill
December 16th, 2009 at 10:23 am
@Sadie (274): Perhaps the following websites will help you on “pin-pointing,” when the OT and NT was written:
http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/archive/biblicalDates.html
http://www.allabouttruth.org/when-was-the-bible-written-faq.htm
http://www.wisegeek.com/when-was-the-bible-written.htm
276 jreddy666
December 20th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
By significant do you mean positively significant? Because religious traditions haven’t really been doing much good now adays
277 jreddy666
December 20th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
*nowadays
278 Jonny R.
December 21st, 2009 at 5:24 am
The end of the Cold War. Decline of Communism.
279 room 101
December 27th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Due to the strong cultural bias of this list you should change the name to 10 Incredibly Euro-Centric Moments in History
280 Trazz
December 28th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
@Jonny R. (278): first post on lisverse
281 M
December 30th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Interesting list which would be made better by omission of the personal opinions of the author (E.g. “Bad philosophy – Hobbes, Locke). Also, like it has been pointed out, a lot of your historical lists are (as they tend to be in most cases) just a list of dead white males. This is natural, however your headings should be more specific.
282 Neal
May 12th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
@jfrater a "moment" is an unspecified SHORT period of time. The title is inaccurate.
283 Jonathan Novak
June 26th, 2010 at 3:48 am
Too earth-centered.
Not enough Jupiter.
God, every single important moment in earth’s history didn’t happen on earth. It’s not like earth is the origin of life. Other planets had the idea first. Idiots.