Historically, the early English kings have a reputation for living high on the hog, and pleasing themselves at the expense of the people they ruled. It was not always so. In the middle ages many of them missed out on a trouble free reign culminating in a State Funeral. We know very little about the first several hundred years of the Anglo-Saxon era. The earliest written records were no more than inventive lists of rulers who established separate kingdoms. The Saxons settled in the west, the Anglos in the east and north, and the Jutes on the Isle of Wight and the opposite mainland. They probably thought of themselves as separate peoples, but they shared a common language and similar customs.

One of those customs was fighting everyone in sight. A king’s power depended on his ability to win battles and so gain land and treasure to give his supporters. He was obliged to keep fighting. If he didn’t he would find himself out of a job or deprived of his life; probably both. The power of any kingdom was only as solid as the strength of its king in battle.
To be able to cut down several enemies in quick succession, when in a tight spot, and to be a more efficient killer than one’s subordinates, was essential for a king living in a society which regarded warfare as the natural way of life. What was gained by the sword needed to be defended by the sword; of the eight kings who ruled Northumbria between 600 and 700, six died in battle.
One successful monarch was Aethelbald of Mercia, a kingdom that was an amalgamation of 30 different tribes. In a style that was typical of the era, he usurped the throne from his father Aethelwulf while the old man was visiting Rome. By 731 he controlled all England south of the Humber, and was styled ‘King not only of the Mercian’s but also of all the provinces which are called South English’. However, his supremacy was neither easily won nor stable and he had many enemies. St Boniface, Archbishop of Canterbury, for example, constantly reproached him for not taking a wife and instead fornicating with nuns.
Aethelbald did marry eventually. On his way back from Rome his father had married Judith, the thirteen-year-old daughter of the Frankish king Charles the Bald, and when his father died Aethelbald took her for his own wife. Even that didn’t satisfy the clergy, who castigated him for marrying his stepmother (she was by then an ancient 15 year-old). The marriage was annulled and the girl returned to France, where her own father, because her marriage had been deemed incestuous, sent her to a nunnery. In a rare breach of Anglo-Saxon fidelity (but not a unique one) Aethelbald was murdered by his bodyguard at Seckingham near Tamworth.

The image of the last Anglo-Saxon King on the hill above Senlac, staggering back with an arrow in his eye, has come to epitomize the drama at the battle of Hastings. It is graphically illustrated on the Bayeux Tapestry – a piece of embroidery 70 meters long created by the women of Canterbury in the early 1070s (so it should really be called the Canterbury Tapestry), and then taken to France.
But this tapestry is not the reliable witness that it seems. The stitching we see today is not necessarily the original, and indeed some of it might be described as a stitch-up. In the years of its existence, two major tracings and a photographic record of the tapestry have been made, so we have three sets of images, dating from 1729, 1819 and 1872 – and there are some dramatic variations. Swords and stirrups appear and disappear, a griffin becomes an angel, and most significantly the depiction of Harold’s slaying are altered.
In 1729 the King has his arm raised and appears about to hurl a spear. In 1819 the shaft of the spear has sprouted a flight of feathers, to become an arrow pointed towards his forehead. Fifty-three years later the angle of the arrow has shifted downwards to point directly at his right eye, so it would seem that occasional restoration work coincided with trying to improve the story.
The truth may be less complicated. According to Guy, Bishop of Amiens, the crucial moment came when the Normans finally broke the Saxon shield-wall. With Harold and a few of his faithful retainers still holding out, William handpicked a hit squad to go and hack him down. Four knights overpowered Harold, one striking him in the breast, a second cutting off his head, while another disemboweled him. We are then told that the fourth knight cut off one of the Saxon kings legs, but the standard battlefield mutilation was full castration, so the bishop’s account was probably being polite.

During his lifetime William I was not known as the ‘Conqueror’, his nickname was ‘William the Bastard’, owing to the scandal of his birth when his father had an affair with a lowly tanner’s daughter. But since he was a ruler who thought nothing of having a man’s tongue ripped out and nailed to his front door, people didn’t call him that to his face.
There was oppression in England after the conquest, but this was a consequence of the new king’s need for security as much as anything. William subdued the south and east easily, but the year after Hastings his former ally, Count Eustace of Boulogne (brother-in-law to Edward the Confessor), tried an invasion of his own and was only stopped by the formidable nature of Dover castle.
Harold Godwinson’s sons tried a landing in 1068, and there were more attempts the following year. The most dangerous of these saw a Viking army joining up with the northern earls. They seized York and declared independence, while in answer William took his own army north and began killing everyone who lived there.
The ferocious ‘Harrying of the North’ in 1069 was designed to punish and deter, and it devastated the north of England in a broad swathe from York to Durham. Villages and crops were burnt and livestock slaughtered. Those who escaped a quick death at the hands of the royal army faced a slow one by starvation. During the winter of that year many people turned to cannibalism. The death toll has been estimated at 150,000, and the destruction left much of the area depopulated for generations.
From 1066 to 1204 most of the great Norman barons, including King William I, had estates on both sides of the Channel, and they frequently had to return to Normandy to put down rebellions. Whilst burning out the inhabitants of Mantes in 1087, the Conquerors horse shied at the flames and the pommel of his saddle inflicted a fatal rupture to an already sick man of sixty-one years.
The King had a very corpulent figure when he died, and his corpse swelled even larger during its transit to the abbey of St Stephen in Caen for burial. It became so bloated that it wouldn’t fit the coffin prepared for it, and heavy-handed attempts to force the issue resulted in bursting his belly. It follows that William the Conquerors funeral was less than a sweet-smelling affair.

Robert, the Conqueror’s eldest son, was given the dukedom of Normandy. William Rufus, the second son became king of England. He was a dashing warrior, but he was cruel, he was a liar and he was greedy (he was also homosexual, which was a definite negative with the Church in those days).
Rufus treated the priesthood with contempt and seemed to glory in wickedness. The filling of a Bishopric was a lengthy business, and whilst it was vacant a trustee collected the revenues on behalf of the next bishop. Rufus liked this system. The revenues were directed straight into his own treasury, and at the time of his death Rufus was enjoying the incomes from twelve abbeys that he deliberately kept without an Abbot.
In an incident that will always remain a mystery, he died in 1100, killed by an arrow while hunting in the New Forest (Strangely, his favourite nephew was killed by an arrow in the same place three months previously). Evidently he was in the sole company of one William Tyrrell. Tyrrell wasn’t sure that his claim that he had nothing to do with the kings death would be believed, and he fled abroad, but even when feeling safe he denied anything to do with murder.
So was it a hunting accident or an assassination? No one really knows. People cared so little they never bothered to inquire too deeply as to what had happened. Disposal was left to a humble charcoal burner who, on the payment of a couple of coins, dumped the king’s body in his cart and took it to Winchester Cathedral. There, because Rufus had been king, he was buried under the floor, but there was no great ceremony. A year later the tower of the cathedral collapsed, destroying his tomb.

Henry, the Conquers youngest son, leapt onto the throne and he quickly went to war with his brother Robert and added Normandy to his cap. Poor Robert spent the next twenty-eight years shut up in Cardiff Castle as a captive. But we know from surviving accounts that considerable amounts of money was spent on his food and clothes, so he can’t have been treated too harshly, and he lived to the ripe old age of eighty.
Henry I was quite an effective king, and all over England there was peace and law. He had little interest in living large and lavish, and concentrated on advancing the nations administration. One of the ways he raised money was by selling charters to towns. Charters were a special privilege that allowed town walls to be built, and for those living inside them to elect their own local councils.
Also during his reign the Court of the Exchequer was formed to handle financial matters, taking its name from the checked cloth on which the accounts were calculated. He was the last king for four hundred years to leave no debts behind him when he died. He passed away in 1135, apparently from eating too many lampreys (a small parasitic eel-like fish that latches onto trout and salmon, considered a delicacy of cuisine at the time), which is a warning to everyone to go easy on the lampreys.

Henry II was one of the greatest kings to sit on the English throne. He was an energetic, intelligent and determined operator who ruled for thirty-five years over a huge swathe of territory. He brought peace and order to a war-torn England, defeated rebels on all fronts, and set down the principles of English law. His father had developed a habit of wearing a sprig of bright yellow broom in his hat, from which came his nickname of ‘Plantagenet’, and Henry made the name his own.
Including his fathers estates, his kingdom not only encompassed England and Normandy, but Brittany and the duchies of Anjou, Touraine and Maine, in north eastern France, too. Henry’s marriage to Eleanor of Aquitaine added to this her lands in south-western France, and their domain then stretched from the Scottish borders to the Pyrenees; a realm bigger in area than that ruled by the French king. This was embarrassing for the French, because William the Conqueror had been no more than a French duke, so the King of England was still technically a vassal of the French monarchy.
Later, when an aging man, Henry began to show favouritism to his youngest son John (nicknamed John Lackland because he had been promised no great inheritance).The elder sibling, Richard (later called the Lionheart), became fearful for his promised kingdom and allied with his fathers greatest rival, King Phillip of France, and invaded Anjou, the Plantagenet heartland. They overran Maine and Tours, and Henry made such a mess of clearing the ground before the citadel at Le Mans, he accidentally burnt down the town.
Defeated, weak, ill and deserted by almost everyone, Henry sent John off to safety in Normandy while he galloped off through the forest towards a stronghold at Chinon. Richard followed his father, blowing a hunting horn as if he were chasing an animal. Henry became too weak to resist, and at Chinon he surrendered to his son. As an agreed part of the terms he was shown a list of those nobles who favoured rebellion against him, and on the top of the list was John, the younger son whose interests he’d been trying to protect.
He gave up the fight against his sickness, saying: ‘Let things go as they will, I shall struggle no longer.’ A few hours later he was dead. Once he had been the greatest king in the west, now he was nothing. His servants at once ran off, after first stealing everything they could, including the clothes off his body. A handful of faithful knights arranged for his burial at a convent. They had to dress him in makeshift finery; a crown of gold lace from a woman’s dress, and a lead scepter taken from a statue.

Edward the Second is famous for being cuckolded by Mel Gibson and losing the Battle of Bannockburn. He was certainly a feckless playboy who shared a close relationship with one Piers Gaveston (Piers wasn’t thrown out of a window, he was only thrown out of the country). When Edward became king he recalled Gaveston and made him Earl of Cornwall. Being lower-class, foreign and gay, the kings boyfriend was always going to have to work on his popularity at court. But he didn’t bother. Instead, the chirpy Gaveston began a scornful teasing campaign at his success towards all the other noblemen, all of whom had short tempers and long memories.
A king was expected to marry, so the year after his father’s death Edward took as his wife Isabella, the beautiful 13-year-old daughter of the French king. The central issue of the ‘Braveheart’ movie, William Wallace’s sexual liaison with Queen Isabella is improbable. She would have been about 10-years-old and unmarried at the time of his execution.
Edward took the opportunity to give large numbers of wedding presents to Piers Gaveston, who proceeded to maliciously flaunt them in front of their donors. This was finally too much for the barons at the royal court. They later sought out the insolent young man at Scarborough Castle, dragged him off to a hillside and cut off his head.
Years passed. The times were desperate, drenched with famine and war. All looked to the king, for it was a kings duty to lead a nation in times of strife. Unfortunately Edward II had little inclination or expertise for it, and simply consoled himself in the company of a new friend named Hugh le Despenser. A despairing population increasingly looked to Edward’s estranged wife, Queen Isabella, to develop a movement against her listless husband.
Whilst on a trip to France with her twelve year old son (Edward III), she fell in love with a disenfranchised marcher lord named Roger Mortimer, and together they hatched a plot to place the younger Edward on the throne, with themselves serving as co-regents. In 1326 the Queen, who was niece to the Count of Hainault, was able to return with her paramour and a band of German mercenaries. The country rose in their support and Edward II fled from London.
After the popular accession of his young son, there was no place for a deposed monarch like Edward II and he was eventually confined in Berkeley castle. The chances are he would have given no more trouble, but one day, probably at the instigation of Mortimer, his gaolers murdered him. In the village of Berkeley tales were told of hideous screams emanating from the castle, but it was many years before the truth was known. Edward had been killed ‘with a hoot brooche (hot meat-roasting spit) putte thro the secret place posterialle’.

This king started out with great promise. At the age of fourteen he fearlessly rode out to meet thousands of disenchanted peasants who were in rebellion, and concluded the day by leading them out of London and sending them home. Facing down the rebels in 1381 was Richard’s one and only hour of glory. In adulthood he proved to be a bad tempered, dishonest and vain sovereign, and the first king to demand he be addressed as ‘your majesty’.
He married Anne of Bohemia, a sister to King Wenceslas the Good, whom he adored, but after her death, during a wave of plague in 1394, he became increasingly irrational. Two years later he wed the French King’s daughter, Isabella, but it wasn’t a hit, possibly because she was only six.
Richard was afraid of John of Gaunt, the last survivor of the days of the Black Prince. The immensely wealthy and influential John was the effective centre of power, and the key figure in the royal family tree in those days. His lineage would later be quoted by the Tudors in the Wars’ of the Roses, to back up their legitimate claim to the throne.
When the old man died in 1399, Richard was bold enough to confiscate his vast estates, which had been promised to John’s son, Henry Bolingbroke. In doing this he made one enemy too many. Henry was a tough character with many friends, and none of them felt safe if the great Duchy of Lancaster could be seized at the royal whim.
Since the English were a warlike race, Richard planned to go Ireland, where English settlers had been driven back to a small pale around Dublin. This could have been done, but in Ireland there was no worthwhile plunder for a rampaging army. When Richard made a visit there to assess things Henry Bolingbroke turned up with a force of mercenaries, and by the time the King reached Flint Castle in Wales on his return journey, he found himself opposed by 60,000 men.
Lacking enough loyal nobles to fight himself out of trouble, Richard was compelled to surrender to his cousin. Henry had started out with the intention of just reclaiming his inheritance, but the unpopularity of the King among the nobles of England was such that his arrival developed into a full blown takeover.
A short time later Richard abjectly handed over his crown and was imprisoned in Pontefract Castle. He probably knew he hadn’t long to live. The official version is that he went on hunger strike, and Henry displayed the dead corpse to prove he hadn’t been physically harmed. However, it’s likely he was purposely starved to death or poisoned. With the connivance of Parliament, now as strong as it had ever been, Henry Bolingbroke was then installed as King Henry IV. He addressed his Parliament in English, the first King to ever do so.

Henry Bolingbroke, now Henry IV, had been talked into seizing the crown, and he didn’t particularly enjoy being King. He came to learn that anyone who seizes the crown is likely to face attempts by others to seize it from him. He was constantly troubled by rebellions, and was so nervous of assassination he sometimes slept in his armor when on campaign.
When he became older he began to suffer from poor health, and his son (later, Henry V) took more and more responsibility on himself, as his father slowly rotted with leprosy, or possibly syphilis. Either way, the poor man was pretty much falling to bits.
During his illness he had been comforted by the prophecy that he would die in Jerusalem, and he swore that when he felt well enough he would go the Holy Land. One day, in 1413, he passed out while praying in Westminster Abbey, and his courtiers carried him to the apartments of the Abbot. “Where am I?” he asked when he briefly revived. “In the Jerusalem Chamber at Westminster,” came the reply.

Oliver Cromwell – What! Hold on, Cromwell was not a king.
Strictly speaking that’s true, but his friends did suggest that, since he commanded 40,000 war hardened veterans, he could easily take the crown and give birth to a new dynasty. He refused, of course, and took the title Lord Protector, which was okay because it was just like having a king, anyway. Since the Puritan Parliament failed to find a way of governing the country sensibly, he dismissed it and ruled as an autocrat, just as the Stuart kings had done.
After much dour pondering, in 1547 Parliament had first ensured the Catholic sounding ‘mass’ was taken out of Christmas and changed the name to Christ-tide. It then quickly prohibited its observance altogether. It also abolished feasts at Easter and Whitsun, and ordered a monthly fast. When Parliament ordered a fast day, soldiers were authorized to enter private houses and confiscate any meat found in the kitchens.
Parliament would not allow dancing, not even around a Maypole on a village green, and they closed all the theaters in London. They were very strict about the observance of Sunday, too, and forbade the playing of sports and games on that day. Even sex was deemed sinful if it was enjoyed. Cromwell didn’t instigate any of these changes, but the rules were in force when he gained power and they remained unchanged until the restoration of the monarchy.
Oliver Cromwell died of malaria in 1658, a disease he probably contracted during his Irish campaign. His body was preserved, and after the Restoration it was ripped from its tomb and hung on public display from the gallows at Tyburn (present day Marble Arch). Later it was dismembered and the body thrown into a pit dug for the disposal of common criminals. The head was stuck on a stake, and for thirty years it decorated the front of Westminster Hall. Afterwards, it was passed around the town to be used as a conversation piece at high-society parties.




















I expected Edward II to be number 1, given how he died!
Interesting list ! Thank you
hey.am i the first here?
jamie or cyn — i have seen you take several 'first' comments out, so it simply reads "comment removed by administrator"
dont do this today — or maybe the next time too.
— i wanna see if we can get in to the triple digits for 'thumbs down' ratings
— 87 to go.
I wouldn't bother at all except we don't yet have the option to hide comments with too many down thumbs.
hey give us a football list tommorrow . Please . I have to bring a tv and cooler box into my office coz i cant get off for the opening match .
Yes you are the first ***** here today!
I understand that Edward II's screams still echo through the hills of Gloucestershire.
Do you?
No Bad King John? Moron incarnate? Who crapped himself to death?
sir—–by mentioning bad king john, you added curiousity and a desire to learn more about the magical topic of the day for many devoted listversers.
by mentioning crapping himself to death, you have likely created an all time high jump in the number of hits that rival what are now worldly popular terms — terms like 'wardrobe malfunction', 'purity rings' and 'baj'
good job
you get a happy face sticker
Was there one who was drowned in a barrel of wine, or was that a nobleman of some sort? And one who got a poker up the backside?
Duke of Clarence, and brother to Richard III was supposedly drowned in a barrel of wine.
That would be #4. Re-read that last sentence… carefully.
Ah yes, that was the one, now that you mention it.
I admit to only skim-reading the list before I posted.
I admit to occasionally being scathing towards other posters who post before they've fully read the list.
Quite a depressing list (I felt) today – but interesting. Just looking at those dour pictures was enough to give me the willys. Heap-loads of facts, but I can’t shake the feeling that there is something missing?
Gosh, I totally agree, but I find it to be a good list, nonetheless… Something is missing…
Edward II, or "Ed," was the poor guy who got a red-hot poker stuck up his arse. OUCH.
Superb list. All these stuff about kings and their reign are so interesting. The death of edward II was simply horrendous! It seems that during those times the torture and execution of a man was more of “an elegant spectacle of entertainment” rather than “an obvious manifestation of cruelty and sadism”.
Just goes to prove that murder, scandal, matricide, patricide, paranoia, adultery and treachery can give you great power. The only question remaining is why do the English think their royal family is deserving of the worship and money they get? As far as family trees go, they have a shocker!
dont forget incest , until diana freshed up the gene pool they were looking like somebody somewhere *****ed a horse….
this comment is highly offensive to horses
Haha OMG oliveralbq I almost had an accident I laughed so hard.
so very true.
I believe it's called "The Divine RIght of Kings".
erm….most unfortunate fate of an english king has got to be Charles 1st who was beheaded on the orders of his own parliament..on the scaffold outside Whitehall, a place were he would have had lavish dinner parties only a few years before. …i dunno tho..edwards II's death sounds pretty horrendous
I`m not saying having a poker stuck up someones bottom was a nice thing, but Edward II was a failure. And anyway, what about the French and Russians? The French giillotined their`s and the Russians had their`s executed by firing squad. So, we aren`t so bad really.
Love our history! Us English….always fighting….
And really *****ing bad it…
Not as bad as the French (joke!)
I hope you know that's nothing to be proud of.
I can't believe how many of the jokes in this list are stolen (some verbatim) from the book "An Utterly Impartial History of Britain" by John O'Farrell. For shame!
Also noticed that. Ridiculous. Not much of a surprise really, if you've been following Listverse closely of late. Many of the lists that are green-lit these days are rife with plagiarism (if not outright theft), spelling errors, grammatical errors, you name it.
Much more and I'll be taking Listverse off of my bookmarks. Some of the recent lists have been painful to read. Jfrater's editing skills must be slipping.
If there is a touch of plagiarism planted here and there to enhance the script, so what? There's no money changing hands and the result is better than straight pasting from Wiki, ain't it?
Plagiarism is plagiarism. Make up your own damn jokes.
Glad to see that you admit to thieving other people's work just so you can get kudos from ignorant Listverse readers. I hope I don't have to explain to you how stupid your reply was, do I?
Obviously the manner matter of copyright infringement is irrelevant too!
at -50 popularity points i have to add , dont let the door smack you on the ass on your way out…..
Hi guys, just caught up with you so it will be easier to respond to you all as a lump. So where to begin? Well, I'll ignore the ancient, inane wisecrack plagiarised from someone more intelligent and go straight to it.
I make no apology for stealing a little bit of humour that fits neatly into what I'm writing. People do it all the time and in this case it works well. The governor of this site can chop the article if he feels strongly about the matter and I'll accept that, but I don't give a damn in hell for any of your better-than-thou sanctimonious opinions. There was a time in my life when I felt hurt when people criticised my efforts, but I was out of that by the time I was eight.
It occurs to me. Have I had the mischance to stumble on some of that little gang that noses through Listverse expressing noble sentiments about the craft of writing? They usually whinge and nitpick about spelling mistakes, minor grammatical errors and incorrect punctuation, but I've never noticed them string more than a weak sentence together themselves. They pride themselves on carrying the torch of literary righteousness when they're no more than small minded gerbils nibbling on a damp match. My little sin must have got them spinning in a slaver.
Come on guys. This site is for fun. Got it? FUN!
No you won't have got it, I'm striking flint on clay. By nature such people are small-minded cretins whose only joy in life is pulling others down. Well, you won't pull me down, my little caustic sunbeams. The centre of the planet will freeze before that happens. Have a nice day.
Honestly? That may very well be the most pathetic rebuttal I have ever seen. You admit to plagiarising a published author for the sake of entertainment and that the only possible alternative is to copy and paste from Wikipedia. How about original research, or at least crediting the author(s) from whom you have stolen from? This isn't a case of sanctimony, purely a case of honesty. Also, the flowery prose designed to insult makes you sound like an arsehole of the highest calibre. Not that it makes any difference, but I've been checking Listverse every day for a good long time. Today, that ends. For shame.
There is actually no evidence that Edward II was killed by a hot poker in his bum. While it is possible, it is more likely that he was smothered, and these later stories were circulated to discredit his wife, Isabella and her lover, Roger Mortimer. There is even compelling evidence that Edward II was not murdered at all, but escaped to France where he died in obscurity. This, of course, if we are to believe the letter written to Edward III by one Fieschi.
The hot poker, of course, makes a better story.
Quit whining like *****es and thank fizzure for this amazing list!
not my favorite subject but well written and interesting. Am i right to say that we can no longer say "***** " on Listverse ?
Ah no – you can say ***** – why?
[Edit: ah I see one of your comments went to the moderation queue - it must have been an error. Profanity is allowed in the comments just no abusive attacks on others.]
yes exactly thanks for the concern though . Never seen that before . Now i know ……..
all of the admins/mods would be better suited censoring the word 'first' than a lot of the profanity we encounter here —- most of it fits in to one of these catagories:
a)–well placed (at least in terms of scattered rhetoric)
b)–used to create additional emotion (be they intellegent faux-attacks or just other descriptors) that simply get lost in times new roman font and emoticons — (see randall v. arsnl, vol. 11)
c)–is attached to a comment by woyznack
d)–used in normal fashion the way that some people (who arent afraid of the words) converse.
this isnt elementary school — and it isnt a formal symposium
**every now and then its done for some nonsensical reason, but thats the nature of the word**
the fact that some people will disagree is not lost on me — i respect everyones opinions — whether agree or not
some people hate some words, but it really doesnt matter, because even they are used to the fact that other people dont give a *****.
oh yeah —– and censorship sucks ass
Is it just my computer or does it say -55p next to jfrater?
the account he started the day we switched to intensedebate is normal.
the other? — go look at his comments on the athiest list from saturday.
for some dumb unknown reason, the thumbs down buttton was extremely popular that day.
Ah – wrong JFrater. Sometimes I am logged in with ID and sometimes directly with WordPress. The wordpress account is my main one.
Okay I have now fixed this. From now on I should be posting under one name – the original one.
i dont think that many people were that confused
;p
hell, i hope not anyway —..
ok—–couple questions:
–why did you remove the list of most comments by acct.? in the about section. i actually havnt checked to really see if its gone… (looking at the top commentors rep#s became slightly interesting before it changed) — i really couldnt think of a reason to keep it or take it down — just sorta seemed unobtrusively present.
that was someone elses question
while i got ya reading this — this is mine:
–on the same page (the about page) how long do you plan to go before you change the demographical stats box again? [[i know i know -- youre thinking -- open a bottle of wine and leave me alone
]]; but that stat box has been the same for like…a year, and i think deeez told me maybe double that.
the reason i thought of that is because *everything* else seems to be slightly different after the month's recent changes. most better, than worse, but as you know, im not a statistician, but i play one at work —
and i couldnt help but wonder if the demographics have flip-flopped around much.
and i do know how you got those numbers…….just didnt know if another poll is something you had considered.
Dude JF looks like you got hit with a serious case of the General Ts.
George Plantegenet, Richard III`s brother, DID die by drowning in wine. Talk about a bizzare death eh?
I have an exam on this exact topic next wednesday, this list gives me an excuse to say I'm revising
I like the list. Some I knew but most not. Very interesting….like William I and how his body kinda blew up. Gross!
This list is too English.
SHUT UP!!! It's like all you do is complain!!! If its "Too English" do something about instead crying to your little mommy!
If you can spot flaws so easily, how about you make a list that is perfect? I mean you must know what you're talking about, right? If you can criticize so easily, you must be great at making these list?
Great job, fizzure – really enjoyable reading! While some of these kings died terrible deaths, I'll bet some of their enemies suffered even worse fates.
P.S. More lists like this!
"… fornicating with nuns"
Why doesn't that sound *****ier?
have you seen what most nuns look like?
Lmao!
Have you heard what most nuns sound like?
Were you implying that Edward II was in Braveheart? Because I thought that was Edward I, and I'm actually descended from that guy. Him and King Alfred, who was the basis for the story of King Arthur. Cool stuff, and I wish that Edward I could have some stories on here, but he didn't die unfortunately. His opponents did! He would invite enemies over for dinner and then decapitate them at the table. Brutal!
wow what a coicidence im actually a decendent of Mel Gibson !!!! Small world eh ?
Oh yeah? Well I'm related to the female cop Mel Gibson called 'sugar tits.'
niiice — im actually related to stan marsh, who famously stole money directly out of gibson's wallet because he hated 'the passion'.
Oh snap! Lol!
I have to thank all you smart asses for making a girl laugh this morning!
…all work and no play….yanno?
incidently — i didnt mean to make you almost have an accident earlier
it was very insensitive of me not to put the disclaimour there:
n.s.f. people-who-need-to-pee
bassbait
Edward II was the son of Edward I and had prominent part in the movie. If you have genuine interest in King Arthur check out the name Ambrosius Aurelianus on Google.
Edward the Second certainly lost the Battle of Bannockburn. He was also gay . and that 's a problem if your Dad is Eddie Longshanks.
Great list! Being a history major, I found it a very fun read. The chronological order was a nice touch.
History is not my favourite subject, but the list is very informative and well written.
Thanks fizzure
Weird organization, but great list anyway. Very well written.
It's a misconception that the Puritans disapproved of marital *****. In fact, it was the Roman Catholic Church, at that time, that disapproved of marital ***** purely for enjoyment. The Puritans were considered scandalous libertines, because they taught that ***** for pleasure was good, if done within the confines of marriage.
nice list
This list is too American.
What? Were complaining about something?
How about you get off your ass and make a list that isn't "too American" for you, instead of complaining like a little whinny *****.
And this list is English NOT American! That's like saying a turkey looks like a chicken too much.
If you have a problem with the list, I have a suggestion. Stop reading them!!!
I think that was a joke. Way to overreact buckhead, more like dickhead really.
It may have been a joke, but very lame one. I don't know why some people don't seem to get that "too american" -jokes are history. They were funny for the first time but nowadays they are just pathetic and stupid.
Richard III should be on this list, he had the worse fate. His name has been forever ruined for being the king before Henry VII. Bloody Tudors and their lies and propaganda.
Being nice gets you killed. Why do you think that Tudors kept their grasp on power, despite the fact that one was a usurper, and one was a child? Ruthessness was key back then. And, if you're referring to the fact that a few Historians speculate that Henry VII may have killed Edward V and his brother Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York (normally known as the Princes of the Tower), Henry had Parliament repeal Titulus Regius, the statute that declared Edward IV's marriage as invalid and his children illegitimate, thus legitimizing his wife Elizabeth of York. This would have given the Edward a greater claim to the throne than him (Edward was her brother), so he would have had to kill the Princes to keep his throne.
However, most historians believe that the Rennes ceremony in 1483 would have only been possible if everybody was certain that the Princes were already dead. Furthermore, Henry would not have been able to kill them till he gained the throne in 1485, and they were not seen alive from 1483 onwards. Also, when accused of the murder, Richard didn't produce them to show his innocence, so it's likely that they were indeed dead by the time he faced Henry at Bosworth Market. Henry Stafford, 2nd Duke of Buckingham, is the most likely murderer. But there are other suspects, such as James Tyrrell. We probably won't ever know who did it, but it seems to me that it is unlikely to have been Henry who killed them. Perhaps he, too, thought that Richard was the murderer, and indeed used this as an opportunity to usurp the usurper, as it were. You can't deny his brilliance. Anyway, Elizabeth I was really the only Tudor who used propaganda on a grand scale, although, had he lived, the precocious boy king Edward VI would have certainly matched her.
1547? This was the year Edward VI ascended to the throne, and Charles I wasn't executed till 1649. And Edward didn't do away with Christmas, because he celebrated it avidly. During his reign, they still celebrated twelve days of Christmas, with music, dancing, plays and feasting. I'm not quite sure WHERE you've gotten that date from.
Typo error! 1547 should read 1647.
King Charles became a prisoner of Parliament when the civil war ended in 1646, but that didn't prevent him from trying to bribe the Scots to start it all over again. Such behaviour was deemed as treasonous by Oliver Cromwell and was the reason for the trial and execution of the king in 1649.
"For God's sake, let us sit upon the ground
And tell sad stories of the death of kings;"
– William Shakespeare, Richard II
Interesting that you start with the Anglo Saxon kings. Most of them did not rule over a united Britain, but over their separate parts of it. Until James the First and Sixth, not a one of them ruled over Scotland, either. And all of them had taken their kingdoms from the existing Celtic kings anyway. You could say that all the Celtic kings met the same unfortunate fate – which WAS the Anglo Saxons.
I must point out that the Scots were originally migrants from County Antrim in Ireland. Scotland as a country did not exist until the ninth century when Kenneth McAlpine imposed himself into the vacant Pictish kingship
Nice list! Very old school LV.
i've been doing some reading on the olde tyme british kings recently, so this is a pretty nice list. but i think #10 might be a century off, i've read that those guys were ruling england in the 800's, not the 700's.
and why isn't richard III on here? not only did he die in battle but he was told beforehand that after the battle his head would strike the same place his spur hit before the battle, and it did (or so the story goes).
The Romans employed Angles and Saxons in Britain as auxiliary troops. When the Romans went home (410ish A D) Celtic kings such as Vortigern continued to make use of them and they began coming over in larger and larger numbers. The legend of King Arthur blossomed in this period.
Never heard that story about Richard III. He was a warrior though. He died trying to smash his way through the enemy ranks in an attempt to get at Henry Tudor and got close enough to kill Henry's standard bearer.
If you ask me, it`s a shame Edward I isn`t around today. He took no ***** from noone. Now, we`ve got Alex Salmond, the SNP and Plaid Cymru ganging up, and making fun of us. If Edward was around today, he`d invade and conquer Scotland and Wales again and kill both of the cocky bastards, who like to call us.
Thank you fizzure, a very interesting and informative list. Some of the comments are also entertaining.
Well, most of them, really.
Yeah, I was thinking Ed II should have been #1. That had to hurt. Good list, fizz!
How's come we can't bring back those awesome nick-names? Imagine how awesome you'd be if your name was followed by the moniker 'the Bastard.' It just sounds so badass. You can do anything you want no matter how much of a douche you're being because, hey, after all you are a BASTARD! And no one would call you that to your face because they know you'd engage in bastardly behavior to the person who had the nut to call you that. We should come up with other names like that
William the Son of a *****
William the *****
William the Dickweed
William the *****tard
William the Skidmark
William the Cock-knocker
etc. etc. etc. just *****in man, totally *****in!
william the peckerneck
william the vagina
william the *****nut
and of course,
william of chodes
youre onto something for real.
I think we need a nickname for the current queen (of some of us), and certainly need one for the next king (of fewer of us, hopefully).
queen elizebeth the old scrotum….
William of Chodes is pretty humorous.
Not forgetting the immortal
William the Asshat
Cheers
Lee
William the *****-stink
William the stink-*****
William the stink-horn
William the wet-fart
William the second hand rubber neck
William the dingle berry
William the nat-naai
Whoa this is fun!
actually -william son of a ***** -is the best , not too flashy but still classy- its a classic, time-less and elegant…..
Okay hopefully my user is now fixed.
Did anyone else find the mental image of English aristocrats passing Cromwells head around the dinner table as a conversational piece amusing? Or was it just me?
i think it's fantastic. he got it coming. if only we could still make such mockeries out of politicians like that today.
Hahaha, I love the end sentence of #2. Gotta love the prophecies.
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I live 5 minutes away from Cardiff Castle and i never knew it was that old by the amazing condition its still in.Also you know when your ruler is doing a bad job as everyone resorts to cannibalism.Also imagine just having battle with every stranger you see,i would be on edge and maybe also have some enjoyment in life.Dying by the sword.
It may not be exactly the same one hermy. Edward I later rebuilt some and added many others, including those at Harlech, Conwy, Caernarfon and Caerphilly that still stand today.
1. as you said, cromwell (damn him to hell) wasn't even a king.
2. i wouldn't call his death unfortunate. he got what he deserved. he went into Ireland and wreaked his evil havoc on innocent people. he is to the irish what hitler is to the jews. cromwell is just lucky his head didn't make it to my table. it would have been more of a pinata then a conversation piece.
I did my Archaeology study on Wigmore castle – where Roger Mortimer and his ancestors lived
I used to go to school in the village…
Oliver Cromwell evil? Whatever! He killed Irish bastards. The Irish of the IRA, who blew up the Arndale Centre, WHEN I WAS THERE, and gave me nightmares for weeks. If he`d been around, we wouldn`t have had the IRA cowards blowing the hell out of everything. Shame he isn`t around today, so he could waste the Muslim fanatics.
As an Englishman, I've always said that we should have abandoned our scrounging monarchy when they stopped leading troops into battle.
In #10 you've conflated Aethelbald of Mercia (an 8th century King) and Aethelbald of Wes***** (9th century). Aethelbald of Mercia came to power on the death of his cousin and was criticized by St. Boniface. Aethelbald of Wes***** is the son of Aethelwulf who conspired to take the throne (he only took the throne of Wes*****, essentially splitting the kingdom until his father died) and married Judith. Same name, different kingdoms, different centuries.
Oliver Cromwell’s fate wasn’t unfortunate. He was a bastard who deserved everything that happened to him.
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Where is King JOHN??
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“The Saxons settled in the west, the Anglos in the east and north, and the Jutes on the Isle of Wight and the opposite mainland. ”
Wrong. The Jutes settled mainly in Kent. The Isle of Wight and the opposite mainland are part of Sus***** (South Saxons). The Saxons also settled in parts of the east (Es*****).
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