Every year the Oscars come and go. Almost every year there is at least one or two controversial picks. This list looks at ten of the worst travesties relating to the Academy Awards. Undoubtedly, some will disagree with a number of the entries and will want to add their own – feel free to do so in the comments.

The Travesty: The Long, Expensive Campaigns for Nominations
It has long since become atrociously farcical how much lobbying goes into each nomination. The biggest campaigns always revolved around Best Picture, Director and the acting categories. And in order to keep a name in the Academy’s flowing cup freshly remember’d (Henry V, thank you), the respective producers lobby, lobby, lobby and shell out inordinate sums of money to get some attention. But, what about the small-budget work? The Independent films are more and more frequently snubbed in various categories these days, because they don’t have the funds to keep up with the blockbuster campaigns.
The Oscar season once lasted from about December to February, but now, a campaign better begin in summer if it hopes to hold its ground and sway opinion. Welcome to politics. Money wins.

The Travesty: Michael Moore Wins Best Documentary (2003)
Moore should have won Best Documentary for Sicko (2008). He probably didn’t win because of the moronic scene he made in 2003 when he won for Bowling for Columbine. He told everyone he would slam President Bush, but no one believed him. Right or wrong, the Oscars was not the place for it. It was similar to the (in)famous Black Panther salute of the 1968 Olympic Games. Moore was soundly booed out of the building, and Steve Martin saved the day with a great joke.
Regardless, Bowling for Columbine is not a documentary. It tells one side of the story, the liberal side, and should never have even been nominated. It was, and it won, because it was by far the most popular blockbuster of documentaries in recent history. It held its own with The Lord of the Rings: The Towers at the box office. Why? Because it’s deliberately inflammatory. The proper political argument has always been one that considers all sides (the U. S. has two, Conservative and Liberal). Moore’s film only enunciates the liberal side. It does not, therefore, properly document anything.

The Travesty: Forrest Gump Wins Best Picture (1995)
Forrest Gump was the feel-good movie of 1994. It’s got “heartwarming” moments by the bucketload. And it must have caught the Academy in a heartwarming mood, because it distracted them from its lack of a plot. It’s a series of happy, sad, humorous and endearing vignettes about the life of a mentally handicapped man, who somehow manages to be present at every single pop-culture event of the latter half of the 20th Century. That stretches the suspension of disbelief past the breaking point. The Best Picture of 1994 should have been a close race between Pulp Fiction (which does have a plot, albeit out of order) and Quiz Show.

The Travesty: Ralph Fiennes Loses Best Supporting Actor (1994)
Some of the Academy’s voting panel have recently admitted that they should have voted for Fiennes’s horrific, odious portrayal of Amon Goeth. Once again (see entry #1), the Academy made the mistake of rewarding someone for a long, distinguished body of work, instead of giving the award to the year’s best performance. Tommy Lee Jones, who won for The Fugitive, is certainly superb as Deputy U. S. Marshal Samuel Gerard, but Fiennes is superlative in a performance that goes against his own nature as a human being. He succeeds in acting as if he does not understand why anyone would care about Jews. He is walking death in this film.

The Travesty: The Ten Commandments Loses Best Picture (1957)
One of the worst films ever to win Best Picture somehow managed to steal it from one of the best never to win it. The Ten Commandments does what no one thought possible at the time (even now, it’s regarded with a sense of awe since DeMille had no computers). It won the Oscar for special effects, but that’s all, and it lost Best Picture to Around the World in 80 Days. In terms of storyline, it’s usually a good bet to wager on the Bible. It has a lot of good stories, whether or not you believe them.
The story of the Exodus may be the most epic, and that’s saying a lot coming from the Bible. DeMille et al. pulled it off with awesome verve and pacing. The film is not overlong at 3 hours 40 minutes, because it persistently holds the audience enraptured with its scale and photography. People put their hands over their mouths in theaters across the country when the Red Sea parted. Right up to the last moment, they thought they would have to be cheated out of seeing it.

The Travesty: Saving Private Ryan Loses Best Picture (1999)
It lost to Shakespeare in Love, which is a great film in all respects. The final production of Romeo and Juliet, in the Globe Theater, is the best inkling on film of what it might have been like to see a Shakespeare play in Shakespeare’s day. But face it, no film has revolutionized its genre as vehemently, as fearlessly, as Saving Private Ryan for the war film. It was not until 1998 that a director managed to overpower the censors in order to show combat for what it is. This is, in terms of realism, the first war film to tell the truth. All the other great war films lied, inasmuch as they shielded the audience’s eyes to the reality of a 7.92mm bullet going through some poor, nameless private’s abdomen from the side: guts everywhere and the poor guy’s screaming for his mama.
This film takes the uninitiated audience closer to combat reality than any other, and in its wake, we now have a slew of honest war films like Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbor, The Thin Red Line, The Hurt Locker, to name a few. We even have a still-popular WWII first-person shooter video game genre because of this film. Saving Private Ryan was the first to get it right, and it certainly set the bar high, with a perfect, simple storyline, set against an epic historical backdrop. Even Rambo IV took a new lead from it, showing Rambo’s carnage the way it always should have been.
It’s not fair to say that times had changed by 1998, and the MPAA had become more liberal. They still considered rating it NC-17 (which used to be X). This would have been the first time in history that a film were given such a rating for any reason other than sex. Spielberg finally changed their minds by tracking them down to a conference room and explaining that the MPAA had been lying to the world for 100 years, and the time of Victorian sensibilities had long since passed. Now was the time to tell the truth about Omaha Beach.

The Travesty: The Many Nominations of Peter O’Toole
Talk about the luck of the Irish. O’Toole is probably the finest actor alive today (and this lister is a huge fan of Daniel Day-Lewis). He holds the record for most acting nominations without a win, eight, all in the lead category. Granted, that category is a horse race every year, and he went up against some of the truly indelible performances, from the 1960s to the present. Gregory Peck deserved the win for To Kill a Mockingbird, but what about Rex Harrison in My Fair Lady? It’s a musical and he can’t manage more than a 4-note range in his singing voice. As a result, he did sprechenstimme, as the Germans would call it, “singing speech.” His acting is just fine, but there’s something glaringly absent in the film without the main character singing his songs.
Then the Academy shamed itself in 1969, when it gave the award to Cliff Robertson, an American, instead of O’Toole, from the U. K. O’Toole put forth the performance of a lifetime as King Henry II, the second time, after Becket, and the result was poetry in motion and speech. It sounds like Shakespeare, but it comes out like common conversation. It may be his best work. But then there’s Venus (2007), in which he plays a fictitious old man who’s obsessed with a 16-year-old girl. The award went to Forest Whitaker as Idi Amin, a real person. When it comes to acting, the fictitious characters have always been much more difficult to portray than real people. Whitaker had the real Amin’s performances in newsreels to impersonate. O’Toole had no one but himself.
The Academy should have done one of two things that year: either not nominated him at all, or given him the win. This lister believes that of the 5 nominated performances, O’Toole’s is truly the best. It was consummate understatement throughout, instead of the flashy bravura Whitaker put forth. Bravura routinely wins.

The Travesty: Stanley Kubrick Never Won Best Director
Like the next entry, Kubrick directed some of cinema’s absolute masterpieces, films that have stood the test of time and remain utter genius in all regards. He was nominated for 4 of them, and never won. He won an Oscar for his help with the adapted screenplay of Full Metal Jacket, but as a director, four of his finest efforts were evidently misunderstood. That is the certainly the case for 2001: A Space Odyssey. Some critics slammed it as incomprehensible. Others heralded it as the awakening of modern cinema. For whatever reason, it somehow managed to lose Best Director to Carol Reed, for the musical Oliver! That film is a fine work of drama, and perhaps deserved the Best Picture award. But as a director, Reed did nothing new. It’s still a musical, a good one, but nothing groundbreaking or innovative in any way (except that Oliver Twist does not have such a happy ending). Kubrick, however, landed all the technical aspects of a film with the same excellence in 2001, and also opened a multitude of new doors into science fiction drama, and filmmaking in general.
Then there’s Dr. Strangelove, easily one of the finest comedies in film history, because Kubrick had the nerve to poke fun at nuclear holocaust at the same time as the Cuban Missile Crisis. And that doesn’t mention just how sidesplittingly funny every single scene is. His idea for the war room was a giant, green roundtable, so it would be like the generals and politicians were playing poker with the world’s fate. He came up with the line, “Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here! This is the war room!” Then, consider that every performance is pitch-perfect, every scene is honed down to a razor’s edge of timing and appearance.
He should have been nominated for his directing of Paths of Glory, and perhaps Spartacus.

The Travesty: Alfred Hitchcock Never Won Best Director
Hitchcock is a byword, now, for suspense. He was nominated as director 5 times, for Rebecca, Lifeboat, Spellbound, Rear Window and Psycho. He lost all five, and was not even nominated for the now-renowned classics Vertigo, North by Northwest and The Birds. The Academy finally honored him with the Irving Thalberg lifetime achievement award, for which he walked on stage, said, “Thank you,” and walked off.
As a result of this and other oversights, the lifetime achievement awards, like the Irving Thalberg and the Jean Hersholt, have become thought of as apologies to great actors, directors, etc, who deserved a competitive win or two and never got one. Psycho, as one example, deserved the win for director over the other four nominees (look them up), because after viewing all 5 performances, Hitchcock’s is the only standout in terms of gutsiness and innovation. The main character dies 30 minutes into the film! And what a death scene! In age of ridiculous gore, Psycho still scares and shocks.

The Travesty: John Wayne Wins Best Actor (1970)
In the annals of acting awards, no honor has been so universally denounced, scorned, mocked or ridiculed as John Wayne’s lead win for his performance as Rooster Cogburn in True Grit. His portrayal has been called “hammy,” “over the top” and “mischaracterized,” among others, because he very obviously, even obscenely, comes out of character several times in the film, ceasing to be Rooster, and reverting to John Wayne. He shotguns his dialogue for a change, instead of…pausing every few words in a real…laconic delivery of his words! (his exclamation point). But his shotgun delivery tramples all over many of the other actors’ cue lines immediately before his.
He is trying his best to pull off a Spencer Tracy or a Laurence Olivier, and he fails miserably. In his defense, however, he put forth some outstanding performances in his career, in Sands of Iwo Jima and The Shootist, to name two. The Academy decided, and even admitted afterward, that it was time to honor his career with an Oscar. Thus the award went to his body of work, not his performance, whereas the other five nominated performances were all much better for that year. Any one of them is a valid choice, but this lister prefers Richard Burton’s as Henry VIII in Anne of the Thousand Days, the most regal, fearless, authoritative performance in film to date. As a result of the Academy’s decision, Burton lost once again, and eventually died without one, though he might have deserved two (The Spy Who Came in from the Cold). The Academy has been accused of denying many deserved wins and nominations throughout the 1960s and 1970s from British actors, in order to honor more Americans.




















Great one! People are forgettable…
I love Forrest Gump and I think The Biggest Travesty was that Ridley Scott didn't receive an Oscar for Gladiator.
Yeh, “FORREST GUMP” was good, but it doesn’t compare to “PULP FICTION” or “THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION”.
On the latter, yeh I was puzzled why Steven Soderburgh won the Oscar over Ridley Scott.
Seriously.. Shawshank Redemption is one of history’s most underrated movie..!! It deserved More attention..!!
Agreed about Shawshank. Like Star Wars, it has really stood the test of time. It is flat-out an excellent movie.
Why did Riddley Scott deserve an Oscar for Gladiator? Granted it was the best movie of the year but not by much over Traffic, and unless you’re on the set of the movie, it’s impossible to tell for sure how well directed a movie is. The best director Oscar, along with the best film editing Oscar, only exists to either fluff up a movie that needs more oscars to not be controversial or as a bone to throw to the silver medalist in a close race.
First of all, 24 hours is far too long to wait for another LV list. Secondly, great list.
Michael Moore's win upset me greatly at the time. Then I realized how political the Oscars were and are. Now whenever something doesn't go the way it should have, I am not surprised. I don't even make it a point to watch them anymore.
Saving Private Ryan is one of the most emotional movies I have ever seen. I have a pretty strong stomach, and there are scenes in that movie that I have a hard time watching. The opening scene is one of the most real, shocking, and spectacular scenes in cinema.
Last thing, there is mention in the list of the Lord of the Rings. I don't know if it is just shortened to save space, but the title is "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers."
I haven't seen the entire English Patient yet. They should bottle that ***** and sell it to insomniacs.
they should turn it into suppositories and give them back to the film makers…
surely even the filmmakers would be apprihensive about using suppositories that are made out of ox sperm and penguin *****?
There is no German word "sprechenstimme". Other than that a good list.
You're right, the correct translation would have been Sprechgesang.
Sprechgesang… Thanks, man. I was thinking all the time about that word and couldn't figure it out…
This is one of the reasons I don't watch Academy awards any more
What a waste Saving Private Ryan was. One of the best war movies I've ever seen.
Great list. still can't believe O'Toole has never won!
i mean—i agree with ya man, but moreso,
i cant believe kubrick never won
thats *****ing retarded
Ah, great list…I've always had problems with all of these. Thanks for reminding me on how much the Oscars suck.
Comparing Michael Moore's acceptance speech to the infamous Black Panther salute is a bit hyperbolic in my opinion. Apart from that, interesting list.
To be honest I'm with you, I read it and thought one makes a public, international stand of civil rights for black people, the other is a personal rant about Bush…. hmmm they don't seem the same to me. But then again, I never saw Moore's rant so maybe I'm wrong.
im with ya as well —- and i even have something to add.
@julius — hyperbolic, yes
@trinityenigma — its not the same thing at all — knowing flamehorse, he was probably simply using an *****ogy to show the *type* of stupidness, and not the *degree*
but heres what i thought when i read the list:
michael moore wasnt new on the scene — i saw roger & me back in '89 (i know i was still a stupid kid in single digits in age)—–moore has always been like that —- and he didnt ever hide his displeasure with whatever is buggin him this week.
i guess what im getting at is—-how could anyone be surprised that he showed his ass in that forum? seems to me like thats right up his alley — i thought it was kinda predictable.
stupid as balls, but predictable.
Comparing Michael Moore's acceptance speech to the infamous Black Panther salute is a bit hyperbolic in my opinion.
I don’t think he was comparing the two protests themselves as being similar, so much as he was drawing the similarity of, in his opinion, the inappropriateness of using those two stages for making any kind of political protest.
Hmmm, maybe
I would say the olympic games were still more appropriate to use as a stage for a silent protest than the Oscar's for a rant.
Agreed. In this context, I have to wonder if the author doesn't have, well, their own agenda as far as politics and race goes? In addition to the two not even being close to comparable. Michael Moore is known to be full of hot air, starved for attention, and incapable of shutting up. In 1968, the country was still in the throes of the Civil Rights movement, Jim Crow was still active to some extent (and if not legally, in many places people would take it to a vigilante extent), and several Civil Rights leaders has been assassinated recently (including Martin Luther King). Why should two men smile and put on a happy face, like America is perfect, when they may well be denied their basic human rights in their own homes despite being national heroes? That is HARDLY the same as Michael Moore not knowing when to shut up and making liberals look bad.
Olympics have always been political too (i.e. Munich, Boycott of Moscow games by US and subsequently LA games by USSR).
just because you don't like a movie does not make it wining a travesty. Shakespeare in love is 10 times better than saving private ryan. but the rest of the points you make are valid.
Read number 5.: http://listverse.com/2008/08/25/top-10-overrated-…
P.S. John Wayne is a Nazi.
but he's not anymore
whaaa?
i know people that love period pieces, and love shakespeare, and hate war movies, and they say pvt. ryan was better.
peolpe like you are the reason for some of the ***** going on in this list…..
clearly your taste in movies are a bit…chickflick inspired? I'm a chick and even I KNOW Saving Private Ryan is WAY better than Shakespeare in Love…especially since his *****uality is still debatable to this day
There's no other way to say this other than to simply say: You're Wrong.
Here’s something you will never hear.
“Hey what are you watching? Saving Private Ryan? Cool- oh wait, hurry up and change the channel, Shakespeare in Love is on!”
The only thing I completely and utterly disagree with on this list is when you say Shakespeare in Love, which is a great film in all respects.
It is not a great film, never was, never will be. There is nothing unusual or stands out about the film. It's a boring 'chick flick' (I'm a chick by the way) when there are far more entertaining chick flicks about that no one would ever dream of awarding an oscar!
i agree shakespeare in love was pathetic since when did shakespeare look like a backstreet boy,lol
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for pointing out that you are a chick. You probably did it to highlighten how difficult it was for you to declare it a boring film.
Great List. Saving Private Ryan should have won Best Picture without a doubt.
I liked Forrest Gump, but I thought that Pulp Fiction, Quiz Show and Shawshank Redemption were better.
BTW on first glance I thought the title of this list was "top 10 biggest transvestites of the oscars" Silly me ay.
Now that would be a fun list
frank n furter for president
That has to be written. Please, please, please, write that list!
Hmm… Franken Furter, as Oliveralbq says, that cast from Priscilla, Hedwig and the Angry Inch… ok, I'm tapped…
Oh! Jay Davidson from The Crying Game!
oh—lemme help ya.
—from "to wong foo, thanks for everything, julie neumar", there is patrick swayze, john leguinzamo, wesley snipes and rupaul.
—from "the world according to garp" — john lithgow (who damn sure deserved a supporting actor nod for that)
from "some like it hot" — tony curtis and j.lemmon
from "tootsie" — dustin hoffman
from "boys dont cry" — hilary s*****
Good movies listed here Oliver….though I have to admit that I don't believe I have seen "the world according to garp"
"too wong foo……" well I try to never miss it when it comes on tv. "Some like it hot", "tootsie" and "boys don't cry" are all funny as hell movies!!!!
o m g
you gotta be kidding me.
the world according to garp — robin williams…..john lithgow…..jessica tandy…..amanda plummer……peter goetz…..glenn close…..mary beth hurt…..amanda plumer…hume cronyn
***** —– i cant even attempt to explain this movie to you —– just know that lithgow (playing the part of roberta muldoon) is so awesome that he should have been considered for best supporting actress instead of actor —– and he damn sure shoulda won —- that is a travesty
—-granted he did lose to lou gossett jr., but still
just take my word for it —— rent it soon
The Black Panther salute was only “like” Michael Moore’s tirade in the most peripheral of ways (as someone has mentioned). Besides that, good list.
I think that was a stupid thing to do, no matter how much of a rebel Michael Moore wants to be seen as.
Eh. My leftist views aside, people like Moore (and Dobbs) have the right to say the things they're going to inevitably say. However, I feel that the lives of partisans would be saner and better served if they learned to filter out the attention seekers that television throws their way. If your political ideas are as inflammatory as the next chubby bearded guy on the television screen, you might want to rethink them a little. Chances are you're letting yourself lose focus of something important.
there have been so many travesties, ommissions, snubs, and mistakes in oscar history that a top 100 list probably wouldnt be that difficult. flamehorse gave us 10. i'm guessing we'll have 300 comments in the next 21 hours.
ill state some of the obvious ones —
–greatest show on earth over high noon (1952 best picture)
–ghandi over e.t., missing, tootssie, the verdict (1982 best pic)
–terms of endearment over right stuff and the bigchill (1983 best pic)
–out of africa over prizi's honour, colour purple, witness, kiss of the spider woman (1985 best pic)
–dances with wolves over goodfellas (1990 best pic)
–english patient over fargo and shine (1996 b.p.)
–titanic over l.a.confidential makes me wanna scream—–
–chicago over the pianist and gangs of n.y.
–lord of the rings over lost in translation, seabiscit, and mystic river
–crash over capote
ok—-im gonna stop here and point out that even thought its easy to go on and on, flamehorse included the ones he did for a reason. im not only pointing out what (to me) are dumb ommissions, but also making the point that, while the academy did ***** up in the more distant past, does it seem to anyone else like theyre getting worse? i think that is in part to the lobbying, and in part other economic factors –along with the rediculous pagentry the 'red carpet' has become.
—–flamehorse — the one thing i dont understand about your mention of forrest gump is how you thought quiz show was better than shawshank redemption —- shaw and pulp fiction is what i was thinking
There is a whole list on nominations that should have won and I'm pretty sure on there he mentions Shawshank should have beaten Forrest.
Edit: Sorry thought it was the same author but its not anyway, its here for anyone who is interested http://listverse.com/2010/05/12/top-10-worst-best…
yeah — that was pete eramo —- i think i put about 25 comments on that one back in may….
flamehorse is fairly consistent. — and by no means whatsoever do i expect tons of peple to agree with me, its just that, gump might have been the weakest of the 5
its (for me imho, obviously) a tie for 1st b/w pulp fiction and shawshank
a *distant* 3rd is quiz show
weddings/funeral and gump — neither blew me away.,,,,
((if it really a toss-up, for 4th and 5th place))
and my confession–i totally forgot one of the flicks gump beat was shawshank (until that may 11 list) and its been making me mad ever sense
Haha, I made a lot of comments on that list.
Alot of them were news to me purely because I try to pay as little attention to the Oscars (and critics) as possible and prefer to make my mind up about films myself. I was most shocked about Shakespeare in Love beating Saving Private Ryan. I don't even like SPR and even I knew that it was far more worthy of any award than SIL. At least I can see where the concept came from to award Forrest Gump the award- it is a good film, just maybe not as good as some others released that year.
I have to disagree with your assessment of “Gandhi” being undeserving of best picture. That’s a wonderful film with a wonderful star (Ben Kingsley) who seems to make it easy to play someone of an entirely different race.
ok —- i like and agree with your post. ….except for words #4 – #7
youre right about ben kingsley — i was thrilled he won best actor. a very talented actor.
its the movie– i mean, i think it was a deserving nomination. yes. in fact, that is all we oughta worry about. the reason i say this lies in a couple of the points flamehorse makes. all the lobbying and favouritism makes the award ceremony a sham — esentially a long commercial for whoever happens to win. unfortunately, the ones who could actually use that kind of exposure typically dont win because they dont have the resources to keep up with this type of game.
ghandi was great, but im not so sure that the resounding greatness came from the screenplay and direction, as from the life of the man, in the first place. not an argument that can be made for tootsie, et, missing or verdict. — it was deserving, just not the most deserving that year.
Lotr was definately better than all those other movies which all were so boring and Ghandi deserved the win.
i have this lingering feeling that if the oscars keep up this crap-ass behaviour (that theyve exhibited over the last — what? 15 years or so), the oscars will be as insignificant as the grammys have become before 2021
Speaking of the Grammys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMoJ0ZjEI3s
hysterical——
of course i dont know what is worse — that he threw it off the balcony, or that he got one in the first place for a bsq.
the year that bonnie raitt won over petty's full moon fever, and jethro tull beat metallica for best metal album was the last straw for me
straight up i love Tull but they not Metal…
brother — i own all their albums (except for stormwatch, 'a' (which was supposed to be an ian anderson solo project) and jtull.com……………..
i love em — seen em at least 15 times — love em more than a pet monkey trained to make banana splits.
but the albums that were up for that awardd (or, at least, the most recent albums from those nominated) — crest of a knave, and …and justice for all.
farm on the freeway has become one of their better live tunes (although i still think they were a whole nother class of band before 1979 or so).
justice for all? — epic. classic. not as good as puppets, but still.
see—-satriani's surfing w/ the alien was one of my favourite albums that year — and *****ing kenny g beat him for best instrumental that year — you know how i feel about kenny g — you and i have discussed kenny g about 3 times in this forum)
—-and one of my favourite albums of all time was also beaten by tull in that same category — nothing's shocking by j.a. — of course iggy pop and ac/dc were also beat out by j.tull. meh. the grammy cats obviously popped a few too many shroom caps prior to voting, that year. and did you see the looks on alice coopers, and lita fords faces when they read that? i mean — i was like 9 or so, but have seen the clips.
the good news? — a couple great clips came out of the aftermath. lars (when metallica won in '93) thanked tull for not putting and album that year — and billlboard published a couple ads — one for …and justice — with the words grammy winner scratched out, and the word losers in graffitti overlayed, and the classic jethro tull ad, just a silver flute on top of a pile of rebars, which said something like —- "the flute is a heavy metal instrument"
anyway — so the question becomes — why dont we see any of this cleverness when movies like crash, chicago, greatest show on earth, or the english patient wins?
if i can write a list on *****ing cow movies in 45 min, surely you can come up with a commercial
t satriani's surfing w/ the alien was one of my favourite albums that year — and *****ing kenny g beat him for best instrumental that year – jesus!! ididnt know ! I DIDNT KNOW!!!!!!! WOW SOCIETY IS SO *****ING LAME!!!
Well mettalica is just the n'sync of metal so even tull has more cred. whatever album it was probably sucked anyway.
its not that it sucked —- its just that is isnt metal, and metallica made a big deal out of it
….of course made worse by the fact that jane's "nothing shocking" got *****ed that year — metallica threw such a fit that no one even remembers janes addiction was one of the choices.
looking down on someone cause they listen to metallica is *****ing lame , probly cause its not "hardcore enough " for you ? When you start listening to it when you are six its plenty hardcore and when they the only decent Itnl metal band to bother visiting your country in over 2 decades yuo feel alot of gratitude . I listen to plenty "hard core bands" but i love old school . granted though mettalica went *****ing downhill after 1990.
To say the US has only two different points of view is ignorant and sad! The world is more than the binary opposites of 'liberal' and 'conservative', which, in the context of the Republican and Democratic parties are virtually the same thing.
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/
i agree [not with your link and apparent full sentiment, but] with the idea that the USA is simply "liberal or conservative" being false.
this is a classic false dichotomy. there are so many political feelings in most countries (regardless of if they are/can be expressed). sure, there is a sort of spectrum bridging liberal to conservative as defined in the current US media and voting options, but many people are outliers or mixed-bags. to say "every true story has 2 (but only 2) sides [paraphrased]" is a good way to miss how complex reality actually is….
True, there is never black vs white, only infinite colours. There is no 'left' and 'right' politics, only infinite paths blazing off in all conceivable directions. The fact we are asked to 'vote' on only two really shows the game for what it is; LIMITED.
Interesting link. There is some excellent wisdom to be found on their home page and subsequent material, although also some compromising "Intellectual Materialism" ; especially as regards their spiritual way. Notice they don't welcome all peoples from all faiths, but blatantly shame those who follow an organised religion. They talk about Nature as the source, but denounce those who believe in God. There is much to be gained after reading though and seeing the Zeitgeist material, but perhaps also try to see that they themselves are trying to create their own religion based on their own set of morals, ideals, standards and beliefs – called the Zeitguiest Movement. That's not to say it's not a positive force in the world (I'd prefer a united world rather than the farce we have today) – I'd just prefer a world united under Unlimited Possibility – than a world limited under Zeitgeistism.
Regarding Failhorse's specious jab at Michael Moore.
Obviously, "Black Fox: The Rise and Fall of Adolf Hitler " should not have won best documentary in 1962, since it only enunciated the anti-Nazi point of view. It does not, therefore, properly document anything.
Regarding your specious adulation of Michael Moore:
The word "mockumentary" was coined just for MM's body of work, a new word being needed because "*****" was already taken. MM is very effective at pandering to the liberal cause, but for creating documentaries, with all the research that word implies, he deserves an epic fail. Of course, anyone who shares MM's myopia – and you are many – would also be blind to his agenda-driven bias.
Regarding your myopia.
In your partisan haste to smear Moore, you accuse me of "adulation". Yet there is not a single syllable in my message to indicate my opinion of Moore one way or the other. I was correcting Failhorse's false notion of what constitutes a documentary.
Michael Moore makes great movies for educational aspect. as a teacher, we use his films more than any other fim maker on the planet. Bowling for Columbine deserved that win, 100% for what it was up against.
About Stanley Kubrick: you didn't even mention "A Clockwork Orange". Great list otherwise, thank you.
re: Micheal Moore
There usually aren't 2 sides to everything. There are more than 2 sides and even when broadly speaking when talking about politics and a figure like Micheal Moore please try to remember that Moore certainly does NOT represent "the liberal side"….as if there is one liberal side and one monolithic conservative side.
But yes, the Oscars are a joke.
Without meaning any offense to Flamehorse, it was probably something he was trained to say by his mom/dad/other parental figure. The way it's harped on just smells of rhetoric. Typically people of differing opinions can be allowed something called dialogue; when you're just eating and eructating the propaganda, there is sadly no room for it.
On that note, I'd like to add that even if it is bad form at an awards ceremony, the man's image is something similar to that of a shock jock; it's not wholly unexpected of him. To act like it was some kind of assault on the sensibilities of everyone in the room is kind of equally histrionic.
What about Ellen Burstyn losing the 2000 Best Actress Oscar to Julie Roberts for Chrissake? Anyone who saw Burstyn in "Requiem for a Dream" watched a display of talent and commitment. All Julia did was play against character and flash her tits.
holy *****, burstyn was positively frightening in that film! and i mean that as a high compliment to how well she inhabited and embodied the character. yeah, julia may always be one of "america's sweethearts" in the mode of pretty woman but i can't even imagine her doing 1/8th of the job burstyn did in requiem, no matter how many films julia makes.
lo, "frightening" is a very apt description. Honestly, if I hadn't seen Burstyn in other films, it would have been easy to think that was how she was in real life.
looove requiem…..and your right — that ommission was horrible.
and whoever the hell marissa tomei beat in my cousin vinny should be eternally *****ed
Marisa Tomei can stand there reading the dictionary for 90 minutes and I would give her an Oscar.
you must work for the academy voting board.
do tell, that would clear up all the controversy about jack palance being drunk and reading the wrong name (alledgedly).
That was the year I stopped watching the Oscars. I was disillusioned at that moment, and it just didn't seem worth it ever since. There was just no comparison between the two roles; sure Julia R. made a fine Erin B., but the complexity of the role in Requiem should have made it no contest. I mean, a spunky, high-heeled, lawyer-mom vs. an aging, addled, speed-addicted crazy-mom? For the 10 reasons in today's list, plus this one, I continue avoid the Oscars.
Well said Betsy. Get on that Academy Voting Board!
I agree I love that movie so much and Ellen deserved it. Julia just played some southern trash. She is one of the most overrated actors ever [julia]!
Regarding "Forrest Gump".
I suspect if you'd ask most people which they'd rather watch: "Forrest Gump", "Pulp Fiction", or "Quiz Show", they'd probably say … "Shawshank Redemption", which was better than all three and lost that year.
Yes… but still, life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.
for now, just 2 things:
*this list could (most likely will) spark controversy, as people's judgments of films and the performances in them are so subjective and emotional. let's watch and see (will return with popcorn to share.)
*if you think that the oscars are anything other than a show themselves influenced by interpersonal hollywood relationships (personal and business), money, and politics on many, many levels, well you may be the last living idealist when it comes to believing film is just art in the eyes of "the academy". after-all, the "voters of the academy" are merely opinionated humans with personal interests to further, not some impossibly pure and unbiased observers looking only for artistic merits. (and even if that could be so, the evaluation of art is still individual and subjective)
Personally, I try to keep my feelings about the Oscars in context. It's the entertainment industry, and I have no personal stake in the outcome.
More often than not, I have been sadly disappointed when I chose a rental based on it's "Oscar rating". Whether that may be wins or nominations.
For me, the most important aspect of the Oscars is what the attendees wore. JK
Another finely written list Flamehorse, but once again it comes down to opinion, even if it's a widely held opinion.
Regarding John Wayne:
You write: "In the annals of acting awards, no honor has been so universally denounced, scorned, mocked or ridiculed as John Wayne’s lead win for his performance as Rooster Cogburn in True Grit."
I'll take "Who is Marisa Tomei" for $200, Alex.
hey !!! She rocked in ' My Cousin Vinny ' ….
George Costanza thought so!
How about John wayne as Ghengis Khan?
John Wayne should have won for "The Searchers" or "Rio Bravo". Not for "True Grit", I agree about that.
eh.. an alright list.. i find the oscars lacking in any real sense of whats a good movie.. and i stand behind my belief that terintino is a hack director.. but the one thing that bugs me is number 9… yes i know lots of people hate moore.. but bowling for columbine was his first documentary.. and yes it is a documentary.. now all have to show both sides…. i mean we don't have documentary on world war two giving us reasons why the killing of jews was needed.. one of my film teachers said it beautifully "all documentaries are a form of propaganda they are trying to convince you to see there way" and frankly i blame the parents
"….but bowling for columbine was his first documentary…"
No–"Roger & Me" was his first, and best.
When i was a little lad the oscars used to be a big thing. They were on the telly and the newspapers and maisntream news programs hyped them up beforehand. Nowadays people in general seem to have lost interest. You can still see them mentioned in the entertainment column of the newspapers and on the cheesy breakfast shows, but the focus is all about what the stars are wearing rather than the awards themselves. Its unfortunate, but the politicizing of the the oscars and the big money involved have ultimately made the general public care a little less about who wins. Wish i could pin-point when this happened but my best guess would be when Tom Hanks was on his winning streak, or perhaps when Letterman did the Oprah Umah thing.
great list , flamehorse. great list
does anyone think that AVATAR should have won over 'HURT LOCKER'??
Well… actually, no. I think both are overrated.
I really enjoyed Hurt Locker but in a year with decent movies (unlike last year) it shouldn't/wouldn't have won the bp award.
And Avatar? Avatar's just eye candy. Fancy eye candy, mind you. But still just eye candy.
I can only see with one eye, so I can't really appreciate any fancy 3D-effects. And if I want eye candy, I'll watch p0rn.
dude bummer , now you gna miss out on the 3d ***** they makin………
yeah, rub it in my face, man…
eh… avatar was just eye candy
Well, no, because Avatar shouldn't have even been nominated for best picture. The movie is all about the special effects and lacks in the story department as a result. It definitely deserved the awards it won, because that was pretty much what carried the film.
Don't get me wrong, it's a fine film, I enjoyed it, but it's not the tour de force everyone cracks it up to be. I agree with Julius, eye candy is the perfect word.
Also, Pulp Fiction > Shawshank Redemption. Both magnificent films, and it's not an easy call, but Pulp Fiction beats it.
No. Avatar is possibly the most overrated movie of all time. It’s completely unoriginal. If that shoulve won, then Pochahontis and the Last Samurai should’ve won too because they’re all the same movie. James Cameron’s best movie is Terminator 2, not Romeo and Juliet (Titanic) or Avatar.
With regard to John Wayne winning the best lead actor Oscar, I found it interesting that his movie "True Grit" wasn't nominated for a best picture Oscar. If the academy wanted to recognise his overall career, they should have given him a lifetime achievement award or similar.
Regarding John Wayne:
Who was he up against? I might have been inclined to give it to Dustin Hoffman (Midnight Cowboy) — but only by a hair. Burton's "Anne of a Thousand Days" was not great (great play; phoned-in performance). No one loves Peter O'Toole more than I do, and while he was truly screwed by the academy, I don't think "Chips" was all that memorable. It was still an era when a positive protagonist still had the upper hand over anti-heroes. Actually, that's the year of Butch Cassidy … wonder why Newman/Redford weren't nom'ed.
Not that I'm defending the academy. I pretty much stopped paying attention when "Chariots of Fire" won.
John Wayne has to be the most overrated actor of all time..he was just terrible.
You should watch "The Searchers".
Maybe that should have been on this list. An utterly brilliant movie, layered with nuance, replete with deep psychological (often disturbingly so) themes generally avoided in movies of the day — brilliantly acted by Wayne … yet it wasn't nominated for a single Academy Award. Not one. Not even best gaffer.
i hated the searchers. not just as i found it to play on "white fear of brown people" and "cowboys vs. injuns" stereotypes (and maybe even 50's political fears necessitating a show of the "glory of the US" vs. "the evil of others, russian others" in metaphor), but mostly because i found it oh so dull and wayne a boring actor! i first watched it when i was 22, so it wasn't like i was "too immature to appreciate it" or such accusations, i just abhorred the whole film.
that said, many -general public and professional critics alike- consider it one of (if not the) "best western[s] of all time", so perhaps it's just not to my taste. as i said earlier, people's evaluations of films and the actors work within them are purely and deeply emotional and subjective….
p.s.
the searchers is one of the most strikingly anti-american indian racist films ever made.
and the "john wayne hero" is the incarnation of this on screen, not only pursuing the native "villains" of the plot as if they were not even human -rather animals to be tracked- but furthermore thinking his own blood kin would be better off dead than "one of them" by way of her own choice (which makes it *****ist too! the adult [white] male always knows best…….)
the searchers is one of the most strikingly anti-american indian racist films ever made. and the "john wayne hero" is the incarnation of this on screen
Well it could be argued that those themes are inherent to the plot, and are an accurate portrayal of the time period in which the movie takes place. Ethan-as-hero belied by his hatred makes for an interesting character study, which is one of the elements that gives Wayne’s performance such depth and not be so wooden like many of his other roles, and is what makes it overall a great film IMO.
hey, it's true both that the comanche were a warrior people and did kidnap settlers kids/youths and that anti-native racism existed then and 100 years after the film was set when it was released in the 1950s and even now.
so, yeah the racism & miscegenation shown in the film were "realistic" for the set-in times. but the bigger thing is that most 50's audiences just went ahead and agreed with the john wayne character's overt racism!
heck, he was the hero! and he was john wayne! so in that way it was more than just historically accurate, it encouraged racism in a way. check ebert's review for more:
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti…
but the bigger thing is that most 50's audiences just went ahead and agreed with the john wayne character's overt racism!
I don’t disagree and I certainly don’t condone that, but “cowboys good, injuns bad” was the standard formula for Hollywood westerns during their heyday, so it’s not like The Searchers was alone in this plot device. Agreed, that doesn’t make it ok, but IMO what sets this film apart is Ford didn’t blindly pander to that (at the time) accepted idea of racism against Native Americans in a jingoist sort of way, but rather attempted to expose it for its raw brutality and ugliness by putting everybody’s hero Wayne in that role, against type (yeah that was probably lost on the '50s audiences). And really we were talking about the “quality” of the movie itself and Wayne’s performance in the role, not necessarily the subject matter (but yes certainly the handling of the subject matter is a valid consideration). Still, doesn’t mean you have to agree, and I respect your opinion on it. Ebert’s review was interesting, I hadn’t read it before, thanks for posting it. As critics go, I like that guy.
Obviously, you've never watched The Searchers or The Shootist.
Or Rio Bravo.
@dan; "John Wayne has to be the most overrated actor of all time..he was just terrible. ".
nicholas cage? i think that may be a toss-up
WTF do you mean? Nicolas Cage was terrific as Big Daddy in "Kick-Ass".
hahaha — true
of course, i didnt say he sucked — just overrated.
had he *only* done adaptation, kick-ass, fast times at ridgemont high, aqnd the cotton club, then i'd think he was a *****ing genius.
Dan-
To say John Wayne was terrible is alittle unfair. As far as "acting" he was probably not even in the top 50 male actors of all time. However, he was and always will be a symbol of Americana. In my book, Wayne is in the top ten for lifetime achievement.
How can you say that pulp fiction should have been chosen over forrest gump? You say forrest gump has a no plot? Ofcourse it does. The plot is the journey of forrest and jenny, and how destiny or quoincidence brings them together at the end. (The reason why i suggest both is because the film argues wether sombody has a destiny, or wether things just happen to you by pure fluke). If you think there is a lack of plot your not watching it hard enough. Infact, pulp fictions plot is very weak, i like the film dont get me wrong, but in my opinion it seems rushed,and thethe scenes being transposed dident work enough for me. Then again its all about opinion, shawshank probaly should have won it, but other then that i think forrest gump deserved it.
this is a terrible list. stop being such a whiney little *****, author.
i love Forrest Gump and Pulp Fiction, but Forrest Gump was clearly a better movie. Bar none..
great list as usual flamehorse… u rock … but i dont think pulp fiction or the quiz show shud have won the oscar…. hay man shawshank was there…the oscars overlooked it god knows why
The biggest travesty of the oscars is Titanic. Bar none.
that movie is like super gluing a tube to your dick and drinking water constantly to create a stream of never ending *****……….
Politics aside, Micheal Moore has got to be the ugliest person I have ever seen.
No, the ugliest must be Madonna. (Oh God am I gonna get heat for saying that… HEHEE)
lololol—youre on a roll this morning—
of course if you tell me sandra bernhart and courtney love are not uglier than madonna then i will refer you to a couple of the finest crazy-houses here in new orleans
No Saving Private Ryan should not have won. The best picture in 1998 was Life is Beautiful. Saving Private Ryan got into the nominations for all the reasons you point out in item 10. Also it is not the first movie to show the horrors of war. It is the first American movie to do so.
couldn´t agree more. Life is Beautiful should have won that year
John Wayne, like John Travolta, have played in some good movies, but like John Travolta, they don't stand out as actors as much as some people seem to think they do. I consider both of these little more than paycheck actors. Compared to Daniel Day Lewis or Heath Ledger (as the Joker) who completely blend into their roles, they are weak.
The only thing that stands out about John Wayne is his voice, which is quite obvious in every single one of his movies. And its distinctiveness probably played a part in his popularity.
I disagree with dissing 'Forrest Gump' only because after finishing watching the film for the first time I remarked to a friend that if this film didn't get Best Picture, Best Actor, and Best Visual Effects, then something was wrong with the Academy. It turns out I was right.
But I saw 'Forrest Gump' before I saw 'Shawshank Redemption'. So there that.
Let's not forget Paul Newman winning for "The Color of Money". Certainly not his best role, but they gave it to him because he hadn't won for any of his other roles. "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof", "The Sting", "Hud"?????????
the Hustler too, love the movie HUD
Re: #7
Ralph Fiennes played Amon Goeth in Schindler's List, which was not mentioned in the entry. An amazing and haunting performance
I absolutely agree about Hitch*****never winning, he's one of my favorite directors whose made some of my favorite films. To see some of the things he has lost to is just sad for me.
Wait… didn't he actually win for "Rebecca" in 1941? Not his best film, but I think he did win an Oscar for that one… didn't he?
Very opinionated list, I have to say. I can only agree with 9, 3 and 2. I don't believe O'Toole deserved for best actor as he sometimes comes off flat.
So the The Bridge on the River Kwai was what beat out The Ten Commandments. You left that part out. I find them equally good, so it could have gone either way.
The rest I feel got beaten out but I wouldn't call it a travesty.
Interesting list, nonetheless.
"So the The Bridge on the River Kwai was what beat out The Ten Commandments. You left that part out. I find them equally good, so it could have gone either way."
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"Around the World in 80 Days" beat the "Ten Commandments." SEE: http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000003/1957
"Bridge" DID win best picture, but it was the following year. The other nominations that year were "12 Angry Men," "Peyton Place," "Sayonara," and "Witness for the Prosecution."
Weird…when I looked it up, it showed The Bridge on the River Kwai. Either way, both were IMO more exciting than The Ten Commandments.
"Comes off flat?" Someone has never seen "The Lion in Winter", or just has a different opinion of "comes off flat" than I do.
Yeah…I've seen it. He has the same acting in almost all his movies…hence why he is flat. He just makes flat look good.
A so-so list… Mentioning Michael Moore's Columbine was good- but all the wrong reasons (And it IS a documentary!) a lot of melodramatic propaganda and ignoring the major causes and areas of gun crime- should be the reasons to lament his nomination.
Also, no Ridley Scott?? travesty!
Sorry, it's NOT a documentary. A TRUE documentary would provide an obscene amount of objectivity. Unfortunately, these are few and far between.
One big travesty is Let the Right One in not even being nominated because of this stupid deadline bull*****
One of the best vampire flicks ever put to celluloid.
One of the best foreign movies of the decade. Hell one of the best movies of the decade.
Let the riht one in was a crappy movie. I heard all the hype, and barely made it through. It was a cliche`d take on the vampire story. I love foreign film, I love the vampire genre, but that movie put me to sleep. So predictable that the kid was going to end up in the same position as the old man.
Ummmm-*Spoiler Alert* there Rob?!?
That movie is on my movie queue.
deeziner don't even worry about what he said. The whole story is open to interpretation.
That's because you have no brain, rob. Swedish people are raised on Ingmar Bergman and similar stuff, not your Hollywood ***** where the audience falls asleep if there isn't an explosion or a car chase every two minutes. It's good, though, that you said you still like foreign films. Maybe you're not a lost cause.
Hitch*****and Kubrick never winning an Oscar are the worst of the ten good examples you gave of how the Acadamy Awards are a farce. Look at any well thought out and fair list of the top 100 films of all time and I promise you there will be at least 3-4 films from each director.
I read a biography of Steve McQueen once and the author gave a perfect example of how the Academy screwed over deserving actors (such as Peter OToole). McQueen was nomintaed for best actor for Papillon, arguably his best performance. Someone brought it to McQueens attention that he would win the Oscar for his performance in Papillon but they wanted him to be at the award ceremony to accept in person. McQueen, who hated awards shows and refused to do them,, said he would not be there. The Academy gave the award instead to Jack Lemmon for Save the Tiger.
If you kiss their ass (Cher, Whoopie Goldburg, Cuba Gooding) you get the statue. if you don't (Hitchcock, Kubrick, OToole,McQueen ) you get the shaft.
Then how come Marlon Brando and George C. Scott won Oscars?
I might get some thumbs down on this one but here i go:
1)”somehow manages to be present at every single pop-culture event of the latter half of the 20th Century. That stretches the suspension of disbelief past the breaking point”
I can imagine flamehorse in the cinema leaning towards his neighbour :” bubba, that kent be true ken it?”. Thats the plot of the movie dude. Its not a freakin docu-drama. Its not REAL. I personally think its a joke directed to the fact that we really dont consider handicaped people as part of our society.
2) shawshank had a lot of heartwarming moments/predictable action i.e. when freeman steps on the table. Was anyone actually expencting him to commit suicide?
3)every documentary (especially social/historic) is biased. Everyone has an agenda. So you cant expect them to be 100% objective.
Yes its a bit more obvious in MM or louis theroux (a student of moore).
This. Arsnl, you nailed it. There was so much wrong with this list my head was spinning a bit on how to refute. It was the 'pop culture' bit that raised my eyebrows at first.
10: The New Tenants, Crash, The Hurt Locker, Slumdog Millionaire, Precious… indie films are never recognized.
9: While I agree Colombine is not a documentary in the purest sense, thanks for distilling political theory into two neat camps. Fox news would heartily agree.
8: "And it must have caught the Academy in a heartwarming mood, because it distracted them from its lack of a plot." While Shawshank is a fantastic endeavor it still remains a prison escape movie with plot points I've seen cliched to death. Forrest Gump is a modern retelling of an old folk tale trope, common to cultures around the world. That of the Wise Fool, whose guileless decency serves him better than his fellows' cleverness. You cited: "Where he happens to be present at every single pop-culture event of the latter half of the 20th Century." That's the point of the movie, you dope. And despite your claims, the Vietnam War, Watergate, or being present at the first break in segregation DOES NOT qualify as pop culture.
5. What the hell is an 'honest' war film? Let me guess… you see a guy wander around the beach looking for his severed arm. If it doesn't show brains splashed across the camera lens it's a dishonest war film. Ryan was deftly executed in some respects but Spielberg has a penchant for being emotionally manipulative to the point I remember I'm watching a movie. I'd give the nod to 'Full Metal Jacket' for brutal honesty.
"This film takes the uninitiated audience closer to combat reality than any other, and in its wake, we now have a slew of honest war films like Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbor, The Thin Red Line, The Hurt Locker, to name a few. We even have a still-popular WWII first-person shooter video game genre because of this film. Saving Private Ryan was the first to get it right, and it certainly set the bar high, with a perfect, simple storyline, set against an epic historical backdrop."
Flame – I think you need to seriously re-evaluate that paragraph because it's full of very curious statements. Pearl Harbor is an honest war film? Honestly bad, yes, honestly not worth watching. And there's plenty of evidence that the Hurt Locker wasn't exactly truthful either. But the biggest turd in that sentence is The Thin Red Line. I wanted to tear my eyes out and drive over a bridge after that boring, idiotic, not to mention false and ridiculous pile of rat droppings.
If honesty is what you're looking for, try two of Kubrick's films – Paths of Glory and Full Metal Jacket.
Sure, what they did at the beach in SPR was gut-wrenching, but I don't think the rest of the film matches up with your intentions.
You sure have a way with words
Paths Of Glory – thanks for the recommend – that's the only Kubrick movie I haven't seen!
Shame on me.
Just a brilliant film. Set in WW I starring Kirk Douglas.
agree pearl harbour sucked , i hate ben ass***** .
Affleck should stick to Kevin Smith films only.
buc, buddy… I am 110% in agreement with you. Pearl Harbor is a joke and itself a travesty, the Thin Red Line was a colossal bore, and Paths of Glory is a magnificent film. And Saving Private Ryan—emotionally manipulative and overrated.
What up dude?
Isn't it about time we have another point – counterpoint meltdown?
Been busy… with the ladies, primarily–trying to put something of permanency in the works there–we'll see. And to some extent busy with a couple personal projects. And then… the site lately–hasn't motivated me to write anything.
Another point-counterpoint meltdown would be great, if the appropriate topic came along…
See comment below – If I'm not motivated, that's when I get weird.
Congrats on finally convincing the opposite ***** that your Mom's basement is a perfect place to make out. Now you can move on to reading Pink Floyd liner notes to get her in the mood. Might want to save the Furry costume for a few months though. Just friendly advice.
I really can't believe people care about rich famous people patting each other on the back.
I agree, because, y'know, it's SO TRENDY and hip to bash the Oscars. Kudos to you being so amazingly novel and trailblazing!
hey. Some really, REALLY good comments today (kudos: lo, deeziner et al.). Yes, I also believe the Oscars is a show directed by money over content (just like so many other things). From what I can see, whatever characteristic integrity that show had in the past has long gone. Sure, good films will still get through and receive awards – but on how’s say so? Surely in the 21st century we can hand over nominations and ‘judgements’ from a small group of individuals to society at large – perhaps as easily as a free live internet vote?
As the last bastion of the Hollywood Glamour Machine, the Oscars basically boils down to yet another ‘Who’s the Greatest?’ debate; a topic without borders; in which we are once again pitted against each other. Who’s ‘right’ and who’s ‘wrong’? Who’s perceived ‘correct’ views are most authentic? Does it really matter?? Not really. It can be fun to banter for a while and argue our intellectual property, but it’s all nonsense really… Well I think so anyway.
‘True heroes don’t seek medals, nor trophies of war.’
As for the Authenticity of Documentary Film Making debate, all I can say is that it can be hard to achieve full authenticity without representing lots of conflicting views – leaving the viewer informed and yet themselves conflicted in some way. The result is usaully to focus on one particularly strong view and argue the merits of that – or to leave any meaning ambiguous like in the Louis Theroux series. It could be argued that some of Micheal Moores ‘alternative’ material is still technically one-sided – it’s just another view of the coin with 65 billion faces. It’s biased – but that’s not to say the information is irrelevant – far from it.
Saving Private Ryan can be shown to be more realistic than some previous efforts, and yet it is still an exclusive US perspective, compromising authenticity. There are no British, Polish or Canadian troops shown, for example.
On a lighter note, I’ve enjoyed many of the movies listed here. They all have their merits. I’ve never gotten around to watching the 10 Commandments; although this list inspired me to take a look.
Thank you Flame, once again, for writing todays list.
Yeah like Michael Moore showed both sides of the issue in Sicko. He's a globalist puppet.
You really think "The Ten Commandments" is a good picture?
All documentaries are biased, even the ones that try not to be.
Once again a person in need of a dictionary. All the items on this list are nothing close to being a travesty
What you think is good, is crap to another person
All documentaries are biased, even the ones that try not to be. I agree. I wonder if The Cove tells both sides of the story? Probably not.
yeah they probly left out the fact that whale tastes like a combo of , hot wings , ribs , beef jerky and lobster…..they know that if they did that those whales would really be in *****……..
I never watch movies but you know what. It's been two years of you putting up list of great movies and I think I'm going to run over to Blockbuster and rent out half the store.
I completely disagree with #6 being on the list. Even though the movie was biblical (etc) it was not a great movie. People think that the exorcist is a great movie as well because of it's biblical nature. Good, but not great. I do agree that Kubrick never winning an Oscar is garbage. Pretty good list, but movies are a more dangerous topic than religion on this site.
Kubrick was only nominated for Full Metal Jacket.
im curious how you got "only nominated for full metal jacket" out of this::::
——–1964
—-nom: best director — dr. strangelove
—-nom: best writing — dr. strangelove (with peter george and terrry southern)
—-nom: best picture — dr. strangelove
——–1969
—-nom: best director — 2001: a space odyssey
—-nom: best writing/story/screenplay — 2001: a space odyssey (with a. c. clarke)
——–1972
—-nom: best writing/screenpplay based on another medium — a clockwork orange
—-nom: best director — a clockwork orange
—-nom: best picture — a clockwork orange
——–1976
—-nom: best writing / screenplay — barry lyndon
—-nom: best director — barry lyndon
—-nom: best picture — barry lyndon
——–1988
—-nom: best writing/screenplay — full metal jacket (with herr and hasford)
ooook
there was one win associated with one of his films — the best effects for 2001
so, again, what the hell are you talking about, dude??????
im curious how you got "only nominated for full metal jacket" out of this
He got it out of the statement that was made in the list entry for Kubrick, which erroneously stated “He won an Oscar for his help with the adapted screenplay of Full Metal Jacket”.
on one hand—— makes sense to me—–sorry michael
on the other hand —- when making a short statement 11 hours ago about a list published 19 hours ago, replying to the person is helpful to avoid confusion —- if its in the list tiself, a italicized quote helps. this is under the premise that if he posted this comment, it follows that he wanted his opinion known (or correction…..or whatever). —- i mean — i read that list about 9 times, and the connection didnt occur to me.
on the third hand….?…i dont typically get that confused, and if i do, someone says sometthing, so in the general scheme of things i could care less whether or not people ue the quotes in their replies……
thx maggot — and sorry michael
Gotta disagree with #5, cause the Thin Red Line was a much better movie than Saving Private Ryan.
True, Thin Red Line was amazing. Saving Private Ryan was ok for a war movie, but never worth an oscar.
What Judi Dench winn Best Supporting Actress and being in the movie for only about 12 minutes
amazing list. couldn’t agree more on pulp fiction being far more deserving than forrest gump. and kubric never won an oscar. how is that possible? agreed. great list.
First of all, this list is very poorly written. Proof read before posting.
Second, some of the statements made in the article are simply asinine. "The Bridge on the River Kwai" beat "The Ten Commandments". This is not a travesty. There are certainly more points of view in the US other than "Liberal" and "Conservative". Pearl Harbor is an honest war movie? Wow.
"'The Bridge on the River Kwai' beat 'The Ten Commandments'. This is not a travesty."
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Actually, you're a year off. "Around the World in 80 Days" beat the "Ten Commandments." SEE: http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000003/1957
"Bridge" DID win best picture, but it was the following year.