Top 10 Bizarre Mormon Beliefs
Published on February 4, 2008 - 310 Comments
Every religion has unique beliefs. This is a list of odd LDS beliefs. Each Item on the list quotes LDS scripture so you can be sure it is authentic.
10. Tithing

While tithes are not uncommon among religion, rarely are they mandatory. LDS theology states that in order to make it to the highest kingdom of heaven, you must pay a full and honest tithe.
D&C 119: 3-6
3 And this shall be the beginning of the tithing of my people.
4 And after that, those who have thus been tithed shall pay one-tenth of all their interest annually; and this shall be a standing law unto them forever, for my holy priesthood, saith the Lord.
5 Verily I say unto you, it shall come to pass that all those who gather unto the land of Zion shall be tithed of their surplus properties, and shall observe this law, or they shall not be found worthy to abide among you.
6 And I say unto you, if my people observe not this law, to keep it holy, and by this law sanctify the land of Zion unto me, that my statutes and my judgments may be kept thereon, that it may be most holy, behold, verily I say unto you, it shall not be a land of Zion unto you.
9. Pleasure in Life

This is one of the most famous pieces of LDS doctrine. It’s also the cause of many myths about Mormons. Basically; no coffee, no drugs, no tobacco.
D&C 89: 5-13
5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
8 And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.
12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
8. Spirits

This one is very unique to the LDS faith. Basically, everyone on earth now was a spirit in the pre-existence. When we die, our spirits are separated from our bodies and if we were good they go to “spirit paradise.” If we were bad they go to “spirit prison.” The spirit world exists as a place for spirits to go while awaiting the second coming.
D&C 138: 8-14
8 “By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
9 “Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” (1 Peter 3:18—20.)
10 “For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1 Peter 4:6.)
11 As I pondered over these things which are written, the eyes of my understanding were opened, and the Spirit of the Lord rested upon me, and I saw the hosts of the dead, both small and great.
12 And there were gathered together in one place an innumerable company of the spirits of the just, who had been faithful in the testimony of Jesus while they lived in mortality;
13 And who had offered sacrifice in the similitude of the great sacrifice of the Son of God, and had suffered tribulation in their Redeemer’s name.
14 All these had departed the mortal life, firm in the hope of a glorious resurrection, through the grace of God the Father and his Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
7. Modern Revelation

Almost everyone who knows anything about the Mormon religion knows they have a prophet. What many don’t know, is anything that the prophet says in official capacity is considered official canon.
D&C 43: 2-9
2 For behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, that ye have received a commandment for a law unto my church, through him whom I have appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations from my hand.
3 And this ye shall know assuredly—that there is none other appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations until he be taken, if he abide in me.
4 But verily, verily, I say unto you, that none else shall be appointed unto this gift except it be through him; for if it be taken from him he shall not have power except to appoint another in his stead.
5 And this shall be a law unto you, that ye receive not the teachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;
6 And this I give unto you that you may not be deceived, that you may know they are not of me.
7 For verily I say unto you, that he that is ordained of me shall come in at the gate and be ordained as I have told you before, to teach those revelations which you have received and shall receive through him whom I have appointed.
8 And now, behold, I give unto you a commandment, that when ye are assembled together ye shall instruct and edify each other, that ye may know how to act and direct my church, how to act upon the points of my law and commandments, which I have given.
9 And thus ye shall become instructed in the law of my church, and be sanctified by that which ye have received, and ye shall bind yourselves to act in all holiness before me—
6. Jesus visited the Americas

The Book of Mormon is a book of LDS scripture that takes place during the same time as the Bible and takes place on the American continent. It follows the stories of two tribes who descended from the family of Lehi. After Jesus’ resurrection LDS people believe he visited the peoples of the Americas.
3 Nephi 11: 7-12
7 Behold my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, in whom I have glorified my name—hear ye him.
8 And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them.
9 And it came to pass that he stretched forth his hand and spake unto the people, saying:
10 Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world.
11 And behold, I am the alight and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorified the Father in taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning.
12 And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words the whole multitude fell to the earth; for they remembered that it had been prophesied among them that Christ should show himself unto them after his ascension into heaven.
5. The Nature of God

While most religions believe in God, the LDS religion believes in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit as separate beings. They also believe that God, Jesus and resurrected beings have bodies of “flesh and bone.”
D&C 129:1-5
1 There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones—
2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
3 Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.
4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.
5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.
D&C 130: 22-23
22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.
23 A man may receive the Holy Ghost, and it may descend upon him and not tarry with him.
4. Priesthood

In the LDS religion any worthy male can be given the priesthood and is given specific duties. Black people were not allowed to have the priesthood until 1978. Females are not allowed to have the priesthood.
D&C 107: 1-5
1 There are, in the church, two priesthoods, namely, the Melchizedek and Aaronic, including the Levitical Priesthood.
2 Why the first is called the Melchizedek Priesthood is because Melchizedek was such a great high priest.
3 Before his day it was called the Holy Priesthood, after the Order of the Son of God.
4 But out of respect or reverence to the name of the Supreme Being, to avoid the too frequent repetition of his name, they, the church, in ancient days, called that priesthood after Melchizedek, or the Melchizedek Priesthood.
5 All other authorities or offices in the church are appendages to this priesthood.
Official Declaration – 2, 1978
Aware of the promises made by the prophets and presidents of the Church who have preceded us that at some time, in God’s eternal plan, all of our brethren who are worthy may receive the priesthood, and witnessing the faithfulness of those from whom the priesthood has been withheld, we have pleaded long and earnestly in behalf of these, our faithful brethren, spending many hours in the Upper Room of the Temple supplicating the Lord for divine guidance.
3. Multiple Heavens

In LDS doctrine there are three heavens: the Celestial Kingdom, Terrestrial Kingdom, and Telestial Kingdom. The Celestial is the highest, where God and the ones who followed his law reside. The Terrestrial is the middle, where people who followed the Law of Moses reside. The Telestial is the lowest, where the ones who followed carnal law reside.
D&C 76: 94-98
94 They who dwell in his presence are the church of the Firstborn; and they see as they are seen, and know as they are known, having received of his fulness and of his grace;
95 And he makes them equal in power, and in might, and in dominion.
96 And the glory of the celestial is one, even as the glory of the sun is one.
97 And the glory of the terrestrial is one, even as the glory of the moon is one.
98 And the glory of the telestial is one, even as the glory of the stars is one; for as one star differs from another star in glory, even so differs one from another in glory in the telestial world;
2. Forgiveness

In LDS theology you can be forgiven for any sin, save two. First, denying the Holy Spirit, and second, murder. Also, God is infinitely forgiving, until the second coming. After that, you end up where you end up, no matter what. There are no second chances. Period.
D&C 76: 43-45
43 Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except those sons of perdition who deny the Son after the Father has revealed him.
44 Wherefore, he saves all except them—they shall go away into everlasting punishment, which is endless punishment, which is eternal punishment, to reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched, which is their torment—
45 And the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows;
D&C 18: 42
18 And now, behold, I speak unto the church. Thou shalt not kill; and he that kills shall not have forgiveness in this world, nor in the world to come.
D&C 76: 111-112
111 For they shall be judged according to their works, and every man shall receive according to his own works, his own dominion, in the mansions which are prepared;
112 And they shall be servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end.
1. Multiple Worlds and Multiple Gods

This deserves some explanation. Mormons believe that God created multiple worlds and each world has people living on it. They also believe that multiple Gods exist but each has their own universe. We are only subject to our God and if we obtain the highest level of heaven we can become gods ourselves.
D&C 76: 24
24 That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God.
D&C 93: 10
10 The worlds were made by him; men were made by him; all things were made by him, and through him, and of him.
Moses 1: 33
33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.
D&C 76: 108
108 Then shall he be crowned with the crown of his glory, to sit on the throne of his power to reign forever and ever.
D&C 131: 1-5
1 In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees;
2 And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];
3 And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.
4 He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.
5 (May 17th, 1843.) The more sure word of prophecy means a man’s knowing that he is sealed up unto eternal life, by revelation and the spirit of prophecy, through the power of the Holy Priesthood.
Contributor: Mystern
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1. DarkWolf - February 4th, 2008 at 6:57 am
First!
2. DarkWolf - February 4th, 2008 at 7:01 am
They’re wierd, but it’s not scientology weird.
3. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 7:02 am
There’s a typo in number 6. It says
it should say
4. dangorironhide - February 4th, 2008 at 7:12 am
The scriptures themselves are so funny to read, especially for #10. It’s like someone saying ‘give me your money’ or ‘don’t do this’ but making it looks like it’s come out of the bible.
5. sue - February 4th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Interesting list as usual,Jfrater.I agree with DarkWolf.It’s weird,but nothing beats scientology
6. JwJwBean - February 4th, 2008 at 7:30 am
I wish I had more time to really read these. I will have to remember to come back to this later. Nice job Mystern. I was surprised to not find the mormon undergarments on the list.
7. JwJwBean - February 4th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Oh and it was interesting to read it is “hot drinks”. I always thought it was coffee and the caffine. No wonder my moron, I mean mormon, friend wouldn’t even drink herbal tea.
8. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 7:32 am
JwJwBean: I wanted to find things that weren’t already on another list. Perhaps a couple notable omissions would be Undergarments and Baptisms for the Dead.
9. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 7:34 am
JwJwBean: Actually herbal tea is considered fine by official church leaders. They’re just not allowed to have anything with tea leaves in it.
10. stevenh - February 4th, 2008 at 7:34 am
hey Mystern, best be careful….you may be bad-mouthing our next president!
11. heavybison - February 4th, 2008 at 7:35 am
#7: Who’s the dude with that angelic expression?
12. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Stevenh: Mit Romney hasn’t got a chance.
Heavybison: The pic in number 7 is of Thomas S Monson. He will shortly be named the new LDS prophet.
13. heavybison - February 4th, 2008 at 7:40 am
I stayed in Utah for a year and i could have sworn there was something about polygamy being part of things.
Reason enuf for me to convert, if you ask me
14. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 7:44 am
heavybison: Polygamy hasn’t been practiced for over 100 years. However, Mormons do believe that polygamy will exist in heaven.
15. Bob - February 4th, 2008 at 7:44 am
No forgiveness for murder? That means Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are out.
Too bad about St Paul, too. . .
16. SocialButterfly - February 4th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Mystern: great list!! Very informative without being too biased.
stevenh: Mit Romney won’t be president… There is no way that the protestant republicans would allow that.
heavybison: angelic is not the word I would use to describe that expression… creeper might work though.
17. 9000 - February 4th, 2008 at 7:59 am
Verily I say unto thee that this all sounds like it was written by a 12 year old.
I’ve actually read the book of mormon. Well most of it, I stopped when I felt myself getting dumber.
18. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 8:02 am
SB: Thanks, though I wasn’t aware I was being biased.
9000: You must remember that Joseph Smith only had a 3rd grade education.
19. cryndigo - February 4th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Those crazy mormons.
20. DiscHuker - February 4th, 2008 at 8:23 am
mystern: lol, i thought the whole point of this list was to be biased
21. SocialButterfly - February 4th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Mystern: That’s what I meant.
22. bucslim - February 4th, 2008 at 8:43 am
SHHHHH - the boss is mormon, I’m at work, so I’m whispering my post. So tippy toe around my post will ya? I’ll refer to him as Dude.
Dude has 12 weird kids. Dude’s weird great grandfather hustled over the hill with Brigham Young. Dude’s weird great grandfather had 5 weird wives, each with a separate weird house and 35 weird kids. Dude wears weird ‘undies.’ Dude talks about Navoo with weird misty eyes. (Navoo = weird mormon Mecca) Dude gave me weird mormon literature at work. Dude constantly argues about weird Mormon doctrine to Catholic co-worker on roadies. Dude has tried to indoctrinate me with weird doctrines. Dude has weird reservations about caffienated drinks but won’t hestitate to stuff a half dozen glazed doughnuts down his weird pie-hole.
Dude is weird.
23. teacherman - February 4th, 2008 at 9:24 am
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!
Read “Under the Banner of Heaven” by Jon Krakauer.
You owe it to yourself to check it out. Moving and thought provoking look at modern day zealous Mormons. He is an amazing author!
24. Joss - February 4th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Mormons, Scientology, Jehovah’s Witness…
There’s some weird stuff out there.
25. GingerLee - February 4th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Everyone says Mormon baptisms for the dead are weird, I always thought that the marriage by proxy for the dead was stranger.
26. JLo - February 4th, 2008 at 9:32 am
bucslim: Funny comment. LOL
Dude.
27. MarkJ - February 4th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Bucslim: Your post cracked me and everyone else here at work up. (shhhhh, I’m also “working”). Despite that fact of being LDS myself, i find so things kinda odd. After digging around some there seem to be lots of things that are kinda “forgotten” by our leaders. Honestly though, I can’t say I’ve ever heard of the Bizarre Belief #1.
28. downhighway61 - February 4th, 2008 at 9:55 am
i really didn’t find any of this that weird. like number 8, isn’t that basically the same idea as heaven and hell?
only men being allowed to be priests? still not that weird.
the only ones that made me go “hmmm…. kinda weird…”
were 6 and 7.
(and i’m not a morman, i had never even met a morman until maybe 3 years ago.)
29. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 10:03 am
downhighway61: The reason number 8 is odd is because the vast majority of christians believe that God lived with angels in heaven and Mormons believe that we were those angels. Also, spirit prison/paradise is kind of like heaven/hell except that you can repent after you die and go from prison to paradise.
MarkJ: there are tons of things the church glosses over right at first. One of the interesting things about the Mormon religion though, is that the more questions you ask the more answers you get. The Mormon religion has an answer for everything, even if some of those answers are pretty bizarre.
30. bucslim - February 4th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Look, I’m mostly a gregarious kinda guy. I sorta get ruffled when someone pokes fun at the goofy things I believe, so if any of you take offense to what I’ve posted, I’m truly sorry. I’ve just been around my boss for so long I find some of the things he believes to be off the radar. Maybe because he’s the boss is part of the reason I’ve dubbed him the weird Dude.
He has invited our staff to his house for some kind of goofy “Game Night” with the rest of his kooky clan. I declined. Overall he’s a decent guy, but when religion comes up, trust me, I get some creepy feeling that my boss is a good candidate for a tranq gun takedown.
31. phunniemee - February 4th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Joseph Smith was called a prophet (dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)
He started the Mormon religion (dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)
He found the stones and golden plates (dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)
Even though nobody else ever saw them (dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)
And that’s how the Book of Mormon was written (dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)
Surely I’m not the only one who’s seen that?
32. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 10:07 am
phunniemee: Mormons claim that a number of other people saw the plates and the stones.
33. phunniemee - February 4th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Mystern: That’s not in the South Park song. =)
34. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 10:11 am
oh. I’ve seen very few episodes of South Park. Maybe you could find a link to it?
35. Fili - February 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Here’s the South Park episode:
http://www.southparkzone.com/e.....mons?.html
There’s also the whole thing about how Native Americans got “red skin” as a punishment, or something.
And the temple garments (aka, magic underwear): http://www.religionfacts.com/m.....rments.jpg
and the baptism of the dead: http://www.religionfacts.com/m.....e_dead.htm
The list goes on and on …
36. hgaratie - February 4th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Great list Mystern. WEIRD about the coffee though. I mean I understand tobacco and alchohol cause that’s bad for you, but Coffee???
37. downhighway61 - February 4th, 2008 at 10:36 am
well… isn’t being able to repent in prison a much better thought than having to spend eternity there? it’s just not that odd to me. believing that jesus and god are the same thing is weird to me. and not going to heaven if you don’t accept jesus., even if you’ve never heard of him.
i dunno… maybe i’ll make a bizare judaism list.
38. downhighway61 - February 4th, 2008 at 10:37 am
hgaratir- caffeine is addictive, can cause headaches and overall jitters. i know because i’m addicted
39. phunniemee - February 4th, 2008 at 10:38 am
hgaratie: Unless you’re already an avid coffee drinker, try picking up a five-cup-a-day (standard for a lot of people I know) habit for a week and tell me if you still think coffee is good for you. haha
40. Kelsi - February 4th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Hehe, oooh organized religion. How strange…
Although, Orson Scott Card, one of my favorite scifi authors, is mormon. They can at least function normally in society, which is not the case for many, much stranger religions, although this one has some nutty rules and beliefs too. Good list, Mystern.
41. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 10:40 am
hgaratie: Yep. Coffee is the devil! The vast majority of Mormons will explain it as “Staying away from addictive substances”. Why they don’t stay away from prescription painkillers and sugar is what baffles me.
Fili: Thanks for the links. In reference to the Native American thing, Mormons believe that Native American descended from the family of Lehi (see number 6). The family split up and the evil ones were cursed with dark(er) skin. You must also remember that Mormons believe the mark placed upon Cain was dark skin i.e. black people. That’s why black people were not allowed to have the priesthood for over 150 years after the church started.
42. Lyric - February 4th, 2008 at 10:49 am
I’d like to see a second top ten on this issue. Married to an ex-mormon gives me a laugh.
43. R Brown - February 4th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Ok my friend, you have subtly made fun of Christians, and now Mormons, I usually avoid placs that monopolize on religion but you claim to be fair and open minded so I’d like to see a ten list (or more) on the beliefs of wiccans, druids etc. I know there are religions that worship damned elephants, friggin cows and a damn FAT MAN with a swimming pool for a belly button!
44. jfrater - February 4th, 2008 at 10:55 am
R Brown: absolutely! I have already done bizarre religious practices that involved non-Christian religions, but I am keen to do one of neo-pagans. We could start with the claim that Wicca is an ancient religion (when it is actually a modern invention). Speaking of Buddha - there have been some bizarre practices in that religion - self mummification for a start (that is one of the other lists here already).
45. MarkJ - February 4th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Mystern: In reference to the “forgotten” things i was talking about, check out the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Pretty sketch stuff. But every religion has their secrets. I say that the whole debate on the golden plates and Joseph Smith finding them can go up there with all the crooked Popes in the Catholic religion. Or the 144K some odd people going to Heaven according to the JWs. All I’m trying to say is that every major religion has its issues and no ones perfect.
46. Miss Destiny - February 4th, 2008 at 11:15 am
A well-written list that didn’t seem to really poke fun at these beliefs, just state them. Kudos on that! As weird as Mormons are, I really haven’t met any mean ones in my day, the ones in my experience have been really nice people! My best friend’s family is Mormon and I used to go to servies and church functions with them all the time. Her mom teaches Sunday School and is involved in some of the activities the church runs.
We used to go to Super Saturday dances for young men and women, and they always made this delicious punch with sherbet in it, and it’s where I had my first slow dance!
I used to love meeting all of the missionaries from all over, my friend’s family used to have them over for dinner once a week and they’d often let me sit in and eat with them. It was interesting hearing about their experiences not only where they lived, but where they’d been on their missions! Really great people, they started giving me the discussions, but my mom stepped in and thought I should wait until I was an adult to choose a religion. I’m kind of glad she did that, all due respect to the Mormons, but since then I’ve kind of decided I don’t much like the idea of organized religion and would prefer to practice my beliefs alone.
47. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 11:19 am
MarkJ: Ah. I misinterpreted your comment. Yes there are things early in the LDS church that are more than a little sketchy. Just as an example try looking into lawsuits filed against Joseph Smith which were dropped because he claimed “freedom of religious practices”
Miss Destiny: Mormons are generally nice to people who aren’t Mormon.
48. the hound - February 4th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Mormons: God’s one liner.
49. Maxx_the_Slash - February 4th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Top 11 Bizzare Mormom belief: Men can have multiple wives if they want. Those tards believe adultery is fine.
50. SubliminalDeath666 - February 4th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Everyone know Mormons are already bizarre, so why would we need a list about them? :S
51. Blot - February 4th, 2008 at 11:43 am
As a former Mormon, I’d say this is one of the better-researched lists/articles I’ve seen. Informative, but nice to see that someone isn’t beating the polygamy dead horse. There’s other odd beliefs too.
I’d say the most bizarre thing for me is hearing someone bear testimony of the complete truthfulness of the Mormon Church, especially after leaving. It’s kind of a WTF moment.
All in all, Mormons are well-meaning folks, for sure. It’s just the taking the religion literally that’s the hard part.
52. Mystern - February 4th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Blot: Well said. As a former Mormon I completely agree.
53. Miss Destiny - February 4th, 2008 at 11:50 am
I think taking ANY religion literally is recipe for disaster, no?
54. Blot - February 4th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
It seems like in many religions, there are varying levels of literalness. But in Mormonism, it’s really all or nothing. It’s expected to give your 100% to its beliefs and doctrine, or there’s bound to be issues with you and potentially your membership.
55. Blot - February 4th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Mystern: Thanks, by the way!
56. MarkJ - February 4th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
I agree with Miss Destiny on that part about taking any religion too literally. I mean, look whats going on in the middle east! I’ve traveled all over those parts and and seen it first hand. Some of the most humble and nice people i met were Muslim. Then you look at ‘ol Osama and how extreme he takes the religion bit. I know i’ll probably get some backlash for this comment but I say that theres nothing wrong with (most) religion, it’s the people that spoil it by misconstruing(sp?) teachings.
57. Blogball - February 4th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Another interesting list.
I have to believe that’s true about Mitt Romney. Everyone kind of makes believe it doesn’t matter about him being Mormon but you know it’s on the back of every bodies mind. It he gets the Rep. Nomination (Which he probably won’t) All of this weird stuff would be bound come to the surface.
It might not seem fair but I guess everything is fair in love, war & politics.
58. Csimmons - February 4th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Mormons have a pretty weird religion, second to scientology.
59. ElleMNOP - February 4th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
As a tangent to number 3, one thing I have never understood is why religious people use the fact that you won’t go to “heaven” and be “close to god” after you die as a natural reason you should accept their faith as your own. As an agnostic, I’d rather not have to be surrounded by religites when I die…long live the “terrestrial kingdom” where carnal law rules! I spend enough time being downtrodden by religiosity here on earth to have to put up with it in the afterlife!
60. MarkJ - February 4th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
I have an idea. How about everyone just be nice, smile and wave at each other and call it a day
61. hgaratie - February 4th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
downhighway61 and phunniemee:
I agree that if you drink 5 cups a day that coffee is bad for you. But that is why you do things in moderation. I do know that people addicted to Crystal Meth will get like 6 shots of expresso when they can’t find any drugs b/c it gives them the same high. I think I would have a heart attack!
62. bucslim - February 4th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
MarkJ - Where’s the fun in that?
You have a right to believe anything you want and it’s my right to ridicule it mercilessly. It’s more entertaining to watch some folks fire up that weed whacker engine of a brain and try to defend their stupid opinions and beliefs. At that point we can all sit back at watch the goons in our audience demean and poke fun at them. Can I be a pain in the ass? Sure!! But a few days ago I was laughing so hard at one of the threads in here I had milk coming out of my nose and I haven’t drank milk for about a week.
63. hgaratie - February 4th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I agree with MarkJ’s comment (#56). And doesn’t it say somewhere in the Bible (for the christians)that you will not be judged for things you do not know. So therefore, I don’t believe you will be go to Hell just b/c you were raised to believe a certain way or have a certain religion. Just be a good person.
64. toolnut - February 4th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
phunnieme: I’ve totally seen it. One of my favorite South Park episodes. If you haven’t seen it I definitely recommend watching it. It definitely gives a new perspective on the religion not to mention its f-ing hilarious!
I’m from Nevada and Mormon population here is downright insane. I know a lot of them personally and they are usually very nice people that have good family values. But those listed above are not their only strange beliefs and practices. They constantly send missionaries to every house on your street, and they are hard to get rid of. Also, I’m not sure if this is still true but something that I always found kind of hypocritical was that the Mormons actually own the Coca Cola company. Also Utah has one of the highest percentages of meth users, coicidence? Damn blue collar tweekers! Sorry that may have been a little out of line, but from my experience its very common.
As far as polygamy goes, I think that originally the Mormons were polygamists but they broke away from the practice because it was so looked down upon. However polygamists do still exist in Utah, specifically Colorado City. I’ve seen some news programs, and documentaries on them and they are some strange folk. The male with the most power in their church lives a lavish lifestyle with many wives while the rest of the community lives in near poverty and horrible living conditions. I’ve seen it with my own eyes while driving through.
65. downhighway61 - February 4th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
hgaratie- first, i’m sorry i misspelled your name in my previous comment. i noticed it after i posted it.
and….
well, theoretically you could shoot heroin in moderation, and smoke cigarettes in moderation. it seems like it’s more of a “why tempt yourself?” and it kind of reminds me of the reasoning behind religious jews not touching members of the opposite sex unless you are married or related to them, because it could lead to temptation. (actually, we jews have a lot of preventative measures) coffee may not seem like a bad thing to you or me, but it still contains a stimulant. it really does make sense from a religious point of view.
66. downhighway61 - February 4th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
toolnut- are you from las vegas?
67. toolnut - February 4th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
downhighway61: no, I’m from Northern Nevada, about 3 hours away from Salt Lake City
68. downhighway61 - February 4th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
toolnut-
i would like to see the rest of the state, i live in las vegas and i’m sick of it.
69. toolnut - February 4th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
downhighway61: well I would say come on up, (it’ll take about 7 hours to get here from Vegas) but there’s really not a lot to do up here, unless you drink. Its really pretty country (some of the most beautiful skies I’ve ever seen), very conservative, and there are a lot of Cowboy types. In fact the National Cowboy Poetry gathering just came to a close this weekend. I think it would be a bit of a culture shock to you if you’ve never been in these parts before.
70. downhighway61 - February 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
actually, i’m from new york. i’ve only been in las vegas for about 4 years. the west in general is a culture shock to me.
i’m going to be driving back east before we move to england so i may try to go up that way, see something new and all. i want to drive through wyoming, i haven’t done that yet.
71. toolnut - February 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
It’s definitely worth it just to say you’ve seen it. You might want to wait a couple months if thats possible. We’ve had record snow fall this year (like over a foot and a half all together). As soon as we get the streets semi-cleaned up it snows again.
72. downhighway61 - February 4th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
hahaha!!! i’m sorry. a foot and a half is nothing. well to me anyway. we would get like 2 feet in one snowfall. i remember trying to get to the end of my driveway one winter and i slipped and got stuck in the snow, it was so damn deep. but yeah, we can’t leave here until may anyway. military says so. but i’m going to try to convince my husband to go up that way. the only problem is 15 doesn’t go that way, and 95 is completely out of the way.
73. jamie - February 4th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints myself, and it makes me laugh at how strange you think “us Mormons” to be
its really not all that absurd! i mean someone cutting out carbohydrates from their diet because it isn’t good for their body is pretty much the same as me saying that i wont drink alcohol or smoke. right? and tithing: God has given us everything, bodies, trees, houses, happiness, etc. why cant we give him 10% of what we earn? Well, i believe it with all my heart and soul 
74. toolnut - February 4th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
you’d need to take 93 up towards Ash Springs, then turn off onto State Hwy 318 towards Lund, then hop onto I6 then back onto 93 (this will take you through Ely) stay on 93 til you hit I80, then go west on I80, we’re about a half hour from the 93 turnoff.
75. DiscHuker - February 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
given that these beliefs, and many others, contradict christian docrine, why are mormons still considered “christian”?
and to get back on the conversation earlier in the posts, if you are going to subscribe to any set of beliefs, shouldn’t you do it all the way? isn’t mediocrity hated in just about every capacity? if i have to have an emergency surgery, i sure hope that my surgeon isn’t a half-hearted surgeon, only believing some of what a “fundamental” surgeon believes. i hope that he is “all-in” when it comes to the doctrines of that profession.
76. JT - February 4th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
None of these are uniquely strange. In fact, you could probably find equally strange things in any religion, from catholicism to zoroastrianism. As far as I know, denying the holy spirit is the only unforgivable sin in ALL of christianity.
77. slipstick - February 4th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
MarkJ: I believe that there’s no harm in believing what you want to believe in, if it makes you a better person. In my experience, religions basically teach “Be excellent to each other.” It’s the people who tell others, “Just read this part here and try not to think too hard about it,” or “Everybody MUST believe this way,” is where it all goes downhill.
Wicca is a modernized version of the religion that existed prior to the others. As such, I believe that Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Budda, et al. were excellent teachers. Too bad that organized religion has twisted what they stood for and what they believed. I also believe that if the first three I listed saw what was going on in the middle east with the blood spilled over the Holy land, that they would be going, “What the do you think you’re doing?!? Learn to live together in peace and don’t make us come there ourselves!”
78. toolnut - February 4th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Jamie: I think that, atleast in my eyes, the practices of the Mormon religion aren’t all that strange. It’s the rumors you hear of the practices once you get higher up in the church that really make me cringe. I have spoken with people that were once very high up in the church and the things they told me really just bring question to LDS credibility.
79. toolnut - February 4th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Jamie: One more question. . . What’s with most of the Mormon churches always having a basketball court inside? I realize its a fun game and all but every LDS church I’ve been to has one.
80. Derek - February 4th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Its for the youth programs (the basketball hoops) and also serves as a multi-purpose room for overflow seating, any parties and things of that nature. and there is also a funny movie called church ball with gray coleman, its pretty funny. You probably won’t get some of the jokes if you aren’t LDS though. Check it out if you can.
81. crashgate - February 4th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
If the mormon bible was written in the 1800s, why does it use very old english speech? because it was copied straight from the King James bible.
82. Ruko - February 4th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Hi all, I’m a member of the LDS church. In my experience, beliefs of the faith that are construed as weird are often extremely misunderstood. For example, using crashgate’s comment - the Bible that Mormons use is the King James Bible. There is no seperate Bible. Mormons do believe in additional revelations and scripture, and those are found in The Book of Mormon and The Doctrine and Covenants, along with other texts. To suggest that Mormons “copied” the Bible is ignorant.
If you consider the theological background behind such things as the Mormon processes of covenant making (for example, baptism, the sacrament, and marriage sealings that take place in the temple), and the importance of our beliefs in the work we do for our ancestors, it actually is all very logical and makes a lot of sense. I appreciate that the author of this article provided scriptural support, but some of the claims are not accurate, nor provide the proper doctrinal context. I’m very tired of my faith’s beliefs being misunderstood and misinterpreted. We believe that the true word of God is active on the earth today, and that our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ established a plan of happiness for mankind. Critical to that plan’s success was the understanding that man must be obedient to the commandments of God. With the understanding that man would be imperfect, Jesus Christ willingly sacrificed himself for the world to give mankind the opportunity to repent, grow, and return to live with our Heavenly Father, and the presence of our Savior indicates the merciful nature of this plan. As we covenant to obey, we’re pleased to not only return to our Heavenly Father, but are also blessed to do so with our families. That’s the core of the belief.
I try to have a great relationship with my wife. We’ll try to raise kids properly when that time comes. We work hard, obey the law, and try to be good people to everyone around us. I feel people like this are not the ones that should be so misunderstood.
83. Mom424 - February 4th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Mystern; Wonderful list and not nasty at all! The tithing thing is practice/law with the Jehova Witnesses as well. Did you know why JW’s do a lot of evening contract cleaning? I asked. Because it is part of their duty to proselytize. You can’t do that if you’re at work 9 to 5. Gotta convert everyone.
Oh, and I saw the gold plates of Joseph Smith…Yup they were in a movie at the LDS temple up the road…..
84. scaramouche - February 4th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
I was a bit scared to see the title, but the list is pretty well researched and put together. I’m not offended at all to see these things, actually, they seem to stimulate healthy discussions.
85. Palrao - February 4th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
This list is very curious…and I can’t help remembering Monty Python and the Holy Grail, in the dialogue preceding the throwing of the Holy hand grenade when the priest goes:
“And the Lord spake, saying, “First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.”
I’m sorry but I had to share, it’s just too funny (no offense)
86. goof_ball - February 4th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Crazy Sh*t!
87. ProgRapture - February 4th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Although I find Mormons to be quite eccentric, I have nothing against them. I like this site a lot due to it’ honesty without offending people, unless you deny the Holocaust or are a Scientologist of course!
And don’t forget everyone, support Anonymous and on February 10th is a worldwide protest against Scientology! Unless Tom Cruise summons the ancient Thetans and take all our money!
88. el duderino - February 4th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I’m trying to convince my wife to convert to Mormonism. Not that I want to give up my single malt or my morning coffee, it’s just that with polygamy you have to date your new wives for a couple of years, each, don’t you? That could be fun.
89. Crimanon - February 4th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
El duderino: Contrary to popular belief that Mormons are All polygamists, it’s only the more radical of the sects that believe that it is, in the eyes of God, right. This needs to be cleaned up quick, It’s like saying Satanists still practice Human Sacrifice. I would know I’m “half” Mormon.
ProgRapture: I’m There!!! I don’t usually do anything on the B-day, this time I think I’ll make an exception.
90. IDreamOfSpace - February 4th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
People like to bash on the Mormons a lot and I just don’t understand. A lot of the people who do, ritualistically devour the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ themselves every Sunday and don’t see anything weird about it. As a former Mormon and current atheist, I view religion with great respect and even more so when it’s practitioners exhibit great tolerance.
91. Shabab - February 4th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Well, one (the only) good thing scientology has done is make every other religion seem a lot less bizzarre….and what does ‘LDS’ stand for btw?
92. IDreamOfSpace - February 4th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Latter Day Saints
93. Adia - February 4th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
As a member of the faith since I was eight years old. I can tell you that you can be forgiven for murder. But not for denying god. And denying god is a lot harder than it seems. For mormons it means having to have seen and heard god personally. As in seeing him as a person, and THEN denying him. LDS Stands for Latter Day Saints. Mormonism is actually The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
94. Adia - February 4th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Polygamy as it was brought up is practiced by FLDS faithfuls. That religion is a religion that stemmed off of Mormonism. When polygamy was banned by the church more than a hundred years ago some people disagreed with it and went off on their own.
95. amanda - February 4th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Mormons are considered Christians because they believe in Jesus. Any religion that believes in him is considered Christian.
96. booya - February 4th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Amanda, just because a group believe in jesus does not mean that they are part of or affiliated with a christian church. The way the mormon church views jesus is completely different from the other denominations of christianity, as well as the fact that all of their other views are completely different, if not in exact opposition of the christian church. Its like if i said i was hungry for a sandwich and you gave me a wrench in between 2 peices of bread….its on the right track, but just not as savory and delicious. Plus instead of having the satisfied feeling being full, i would have chipped teeth and medical bills. Also i would have to poop a wrench.
97. Crimanon - February 4th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Thank you Adia.
98. DiscHuker - February 4th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
as far as i understand, when a doctrine of the Bible conflicts with the book of mormon or the D&C, the weight is given to the latter. that seems pretty weird given that they say that the Bible is the true revelation of God.
99. Crimanon - February 4th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Toolnut: “Those Damn blue-collar tweekers, There beloved in this here town.”
100. kakazed - February 4th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
number 100…man if u think thats crazy you should hear this lady http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_%28book%29
she was part of an extremist part of mormon church, married at 18 to a 50 year old man and programmed to believe that the way to heaven is by sexually pleasing her husband. she escaped later once her son got cancer and she was told it was God punishing her…amazing story..
101. Yogi Barrister - February 4th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
I’m sure this has already been pointed out somewhere in the comments, but the most bizarre belief Mormons have is that Joseph Smith dug up a set of golden plates that only he could see.
102. Mom424 - February 4th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Booya; rofl, but I gotta tell you that their beliefs (not the organization or hierarchy) are only marginally weirder than we christians. If of course you were being purely analytical.
103. JwJwBean - February 4th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I am still catching up on all the posts. I called my mom ealrier this evening. She converted to Moron, oops I mean Mormon when I was 16. I did not convert with her. She always believed in Freedom of religion. She is married to a Jew. Anyway. She replied to me sending her the link to this list. I wondered how true it all was. This was her reply:
Yep, all true. And the later ones, I agree, are weird. Not so sure I think the alcohol one is all that weird and the hot drinks thing is not followed by most Morons er I mean Mormons.
But why did they show a Catholic confessional regarding the Forgiveness one, I wonder? They certainly changed the picture of The Prophet quickly enough, too.
Mommy
She doesn’t know the list was just made so the picture wasn’t changed.
104. Hannah - February 4th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Amanda- Mormons are the only one’s who consider themselves “Christians”. The Protestant and Catholic church do not consider Mormon’s to be Christians. They consider Mormonism to be a “Pseudo-Christian cult”.
105. amanda - February 4th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Booya-
You can believe in Jesus and not be a part of a ‘Christian’ church. The word Christian means believer of Christ. I personally believe in Jesus, but I am not affiliated with any organized religion. Many people use the term Christianity as a crutch, or to justify their own biases. If people would actually read the Bible, they would know that true Christians love everyone and do not judge others. Mormons are in fact Christians, because they believe he was the son of God. Jews are not Christian because they believe that he was just a prophet.
106. amanda - February 4th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
The Protestant and Catholic Churches can consider the Mormons to be whoever they want. Just like I can consider a Watermelon to be delicious while someone else thinks it’s disgusting. The opinion of the Mormons is the only one that matters. Personaly, I think many Christin sects are cult like and pseudo-christian, because they don’t follow the basic things that Christ says. The bible doesn’t say ‘Love everyone except for homosexuals’ I have first hand expirence with this since I grew up in a Southern Baptist household.
107. amanda - February 4th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
and it’s past my bedtime and my mental spellcheck has stopped working…;-)
108. sue - February 5th, 2008 at 1:24 am
Oops,just noticed my mistake.Great list Mystern:)
109. satori - February 5th, 2008 at 2:18 am
Is anyone familiar with the Living Springs Church? They’re pretty much a cult too.
110. Shadow - February 5th, 2008 at 3:01 am
Actually Mystern, there was a breakaway sect after Joseph Smith died that continues to practice polygamy. They may be about to die off though, as they believed in hereditary inheritance of the leadership of their “church”. The last male heir (the only one who can assume the mantle of leadership for that church), is not too awful long for this world, and it must be a direct descendant of Smith for him to become their leader.
Also, if you’ve been following the news; a ranking member of that cult is now going to spend the rest of his life in prison for crimes committed in his official capacity, insisting that those crimes were only enforcement of church dogma.
111. Not Ignorant - February 5th, 2008 at 3:24 am
Mormonism is not a cult.
That is just ignorant.
112. Mystern - February 5th, 2008 at 6:35 am
Alright, from the top;
toolnut: The LDS church does not own Coca Cola. The largest single shareholder in the Coca Cola company is Berkshire Hathaway, who owns 8% of the company, worth approx. 11 billion. While the LDS church may have a lot of money, the coffers would run dry long before 137 billion.
Ruko: I was born and raised LDS. I know for a fact that none of these scriptures were taken out of context and that every one of these things is in fact actually believed by the LDS church.
IDreamOfSpace: This list was not intended to bash on Mormons. In fact I wrote this list to dispel myths about some of these things.
Adia: You are incorrect. In the LDS faith you can be forgiven for manslaughter, not murder.
JwJwBean: The catholic confessional is because it was the only picture I could find that nearly everyone would associate with forgiveness.
And a last note to all the LDS members who have contributed to the comments, thanks. The majority of you recognized that I was trying to be truthful and accurate in my presentation of this list and supported me for it. Again, thanks.
113. JwJwBean - February 5th, 2008 at 7:52 am
If you all didn’t get it from my mom’s reply to me the moron/Mormon comments are meant as a joke. I have many Mormon friends and as I said my mother converted to Mormon also.
114. Mom424 - February 5th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Mystern; I don’t think that not being forgiven for murder is a bad thing. Murder, like intentionally for some sort of gain, either financial or personal; You don’t deserve to be forgiven.
115. copperdragon - February 5th, 2008 at 9:38 am
surprised not to see the top 3 (IMHO)
1. undergarments
2. baptism for the dead
3. polygamy (have you see the HBO show “Big Love”? hilarious!)
116. Mystern - February 5th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Mom424: I agree to an extent. It’s kind of like debating the death penalty though. Everyone will have their own opinions and no one is ever going to agree.
Copperdragon: I did not include items on other lists and polygamy is no longer being practiced by mainstream Mormons
117. Mom424 - February 5th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Mystern; for your info…I don’t believe in the death penalty…it is administered by humans and we are not infallible. (in Canada, Steven Truscott, Donald Marshall,Guy Paul Morin, not dead because we have no death penalty)It is even more tragic in places like Texas where they are all horny for retribution. That said, I do believe in punishment. Karla Holmoka having Lesbian sex daily and hetero sex through the fence with some psycho sickened me…and Clifford Olsen and his nuisance suits that we pay for….
Life at hard labour,,,,ok by me
118. Mystern - February 5th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Mom424: Think about it this way. Let’s say, hypothetically speaking, you came home from the grocery store and found your entire family murdered. Think about it. Think about each of your four sons lying there dead on the floor. There has been an obvious struggle, and before one of your family members died of their wounds, they managed to knock the killer unconscious. There is his gun, lying there on the floor, still loaded. What would you do, knowing that in Canada this man will live out the rest of his life?
Or imagine coming home to find your husband cheating with your sister. What’s more, he says that he has never loved you and has been with your sister since before you were married. What would you do?
Yes, these are extreme examples, but such is the nature of life. Extreme things happen. I am positive that in each situation you would have done what you felt was best. You might not have felt it was the right thing to do but I’m sure you thought it was the best thing you could do in the circumstance. Because, let’s face it, if you didn’t think it was the best thing you could do, you wouldn’t have done it.
Such is the case for every human being in existence. I’ve done things in my life that I know were stupid and looking back I don’t think it was the best thing I could have done. But I know that at the time I thought my actions the best possible. Everyone has a reason for what they do. If I kill a mass murderer, should I be forgiven? If I am forgiven, then why not the mass murderer himself? At what point do we draw the line? Why are my reasons for killing more valid than his reasons? The moral compass society lives by is very unjust.
The reason I included number 2 on this list is because I’ve come to the realization that the moral compass religion gives God is just as unjust. We do not know God’s mind and therefore cannot project our morality upon him. Imagine being forgiven for anything an infinite amount of times simply because you ask. Versus someone suffering eternal damnation because they did not ask for forgiveness even though they never sin again. The difference is the first man enjoyed his sin and rejected his enjoyment of it, thus leading him to sin again. The second man though, recognized his enjoyment of the sin and because of this was filled with such remorse that he decided to never sin again. He also felt such remorse that he felt he could never be forgiven, thus without forgiving himself (a major part of repentance in any religion), he was unable to ask God for forgiveness and was subsequently never forgiven.
119. Mom424 - February 5th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Mystern; Husband cheating with sister - I would not consider that murder for gain,its losing it and it is manslaughter
My family murdered - of course I would personally want those suckers dead - but as a society I believe we must behave in a manner better than that. If you haven’t seen the interview with Alison Parrot’s mom(child murdered by Francis Carl Roy) it is amazing. Forget Mother Theresa, this woman should be canonized.
I do believe that there are things we should not forgive ourselves for, understand maybe, but forgive? When I was a teenager I once did the mob thing to someone. You know a bunch of us just tormenting the hell out of a girl cuz she had big boobs, many boyfriends or something; We pinned her down and wrote slut on her forhead or something equally awful. I won’t ever forgive myself for not sticking up for her, I understand the stoopid teenage need for acceptance is why I stood by and laughed. I am a better person because of it. I have never done anything like that again, and when I witness injustice or cruelty I speak up. God can forgive me and maybe even Janet P., but myself,,,I think not
120. Mystern - February 5th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Exactly. You prove my point. The moral compass of the individual is subjective to the point of being nonexistent.
121. Miss Destiny - February 5th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Amanda: You said, “The bible doesn’t say ‘Love everyone except for homosexuals’” I now direct your attention to the following quote:
If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. Leviticus 20:13
It really doesn’t get any clearer than that.
122. Mom424 - February 5th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Mystern; Do you mean that their are no moral absolutes? That nothing is always wrong? Sorry if I’m being obtuse. I’m not arguing but I need clarification.
123. SocialButterfly - February 5th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Miss Destiny: You need to realize that the bible is wrong on this fact.
You can’t help who you love, you just can’t and for ANYONE to try and tell someone otherwise… well they need to pull their head out of their ass and take a glimpse in the real world. Because the moment anyone and I mean anyone tries to tell me who I am allowed to love (I am straight) I will be shoving their head so far up their ass that they will be talking through their belly button.
How would you feel if you were told that you were not allowed to love someone with brown hair or green eyes or that was left handed. That is how ridiculous this is.
124. Miss Destiny - February 5th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
I’m not saying I AGREE with the Bible. I’m just saying it’s there!
Please don’t go putting words and ideas in my mouth. Sorry if I was unclear.
125. Mystern - February 5th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Mom424: No I am not saying there are no moral absolutes. I am saying there are no moral absolutes within religion that allow for justice. I am saying there are no moral absolutes within the human psyche.
For example, I don’t consider it wrong for me to have premarital sex, for various reasons I won’t go into. But other people do consider it wrong.
There may or may not be such a thing as absolute morality, I don’t know. If it does exist then there is a line and that line is either unfair, or “all or nothing”. If the line says I can sin 5 times then it’s unfair to the one who sins 6 times. If the line is drawn at 1 sin then it’s fair, but hard.
126. SocialButterfly - February 5th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Miss Destiny: I apologize for puting words in your mouth but when someone quotes the bible to prove someone else wrong, there is a tendancy to believe that they are backing up what they quoted.
My apologies.
127. Miss Destiny - February 5th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
SocialButterfly: No harm no foul. I was just interested by Amanda’s comment and felt the need to reply.
128. amanda - February 5th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. Leviticus 20:13
That is in the Old Testament. Christ didn’t come along until Matthew, the New Testament. John 3:16 reads ‘For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
It does not say whosoever except homosexuals. I find the Old Testament to be crap and not part of the Christian religions. How can it be Christian when it pre-dates Christ? I think it’s all myth and folklore, much like the Greek Gods and Godesses. Christ was a great man and a great teacher, and his work is overshadowed by controlling zealots who killed every innocent person who disagreed with them. If people would just concentrate on Christ’s message of love this world would be a much better place.
129. Mom424 - February 5th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Mystern; Aha, lightbulb engaged. (kids in the andes eating human flesh, or borneo headhunters for that matter)Your point is true, thus my lack of belief in organized religion. I am hoping though that there are moral absolutes within the human psyche. Maybe thats what evil is. No lines you won’t cross.
130. Mystern - February 5th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Mom424: Evil? Evil is an invention of the powerful to scare the masses into submission. As are the concepts of right and wrong. If there is absolute evil or absolute good in the universe humans will never find it. By your definition I would be considered evil during certain circumstances. How can I consider someone who does only as they see fit as evil? To claim thus would make every single individual within the human race evil.
131. Mom424 - February 5th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Mystern; And Joseph Mengele did only what he saw fit… I disagree, rather vehemently, evil was not created by the masses, but perpetrated by them. I have no problem believing in evil, its really the only logical reason I believe in god.
132. Mystern - February 5th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Mom424: You argue semantics. Nevertheless I see your point. I still maintain that every human action is a choice and every choice made is the best possible choice, as seen by that individual, at that time, under those circumstances.
133. Mom424 - February 5th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Mystern; We will agree to disagree, but in my personal example, I did not make the best possible choice.
134. Mystern - February 5th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Mom424: Very well. We can agree to disagree but the question I ask you is this:
You see your choice as bad. But that is in reference to where you are now. When you made the choice did you see it as a bad choice? If so why did you make it? You may say that you don’t know why you made it but the truth is you saw it as the best thing you could do in the circumstances. I believe you are confusing what I am saying. I am saying you made the best possible choice for you. Not necessarily what you saw as right or good, but what you saw as best of the options available. As a matter of fact you may have at the time seen it as the worst (morally speaking) thing you could have possibly done. However, if you did not see it as the best (psychologically speaking) choice, why did you make that choice. for that matter, why do you make any choices?
135. Mom424 - February 5th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Mystern; Holy Hannah, we’re taking the chicken/egg debate to whole new levels….
I have to think and process all of this, also household drudgery awaits,,,we will continue a little later
136. asimon - February 5th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Dont know if this was covered but as far as Joseph Smith and Brigham Young not being forgiven of murder, thats an easy one. They had a hitman so to speak. The guys name was Porter Rockwell. Heres the link for from Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Rockwell
137. Blogball - February 5th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
What if the Mormons are right and our god is some guy named Bob from New Jersey who happened to be a really good Mormon?
138. jamie - February 5th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Toolnut: hahaha yeah, pretty much every Mormon church has a basketball court inside
its great isnt it? hahaha Well, this way we can play basketball all year round! I see it as a good way for the young men to have fun and keep out of trouble.
It also provides a good way to bond. So why not inside? Thanks for your insights as well 
139. GingerLee - February 6th, 2008 at 3:04 am
amanda: I agree w/ you, one reason why I avoid Christian religions in general. I also avoid those who are quote happy of Paul’s writings. It makes me laugh especially when I remember Harry Dean Stanton playing Paul in “The Last Temptation of Christ”, even though in Christ’s vision on the cross that he didn’t die, Paul still became preachy happy even without a savior.
Here’s a scripture for the forgiveness thingy Alma 39:1-6
Another bizarre Mormon belief I thought of the other day, when Christ visited the Americas he chose another 12 apostles and asked what they desired. 9 wanted full lives, but wanted to ascend to heaven eventually. The other 3 were granted immortality and are still walking around to this day.
Check out 3 Nephi 28:1-25 or go here if you don’t have a BOM:
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3.....25,37-38#7
Verse 25 is especially giggle worthy.
Now I’ve started to settle most of my beefs with the LDS church. I’m not like the nutters at exmormon.org, though I used to be. To me any organized religion is bizarre. Some beliefs may be bizarre, but damn, I fear the “bizarre” people even more: Mike Huckabee is a fruit, so is Fred Phelps, Louis Farrakhan, Pope Benedict, Ted Haggard, James Dobson, Tom Cruise, Warren Jeffs and many others. (Not to say these people are bad or evil, don’t get me wrong, I just don’t want them dictating my life)
All I ask of people is to not judge and be aware of other things. Don’t get so close minded when people judge your beliefs. Read the Bible, the Qur’an, the Book of Mormon, the Gnostic gospels, the Rig Vedas, Tao te Ching, etc. If you want less scriptural reading the Dummies and Idiot’s Guide books on any religion are pretty well informed, ie Religion for Dummies.
I’d avoid books by Karen Armstrong (decent, but not for the layman anyways) and anything published by Regnery Publishing, Inc or the “Politically Incorrect Guides” (very conservative bias that slanders anything non-Protestant Christian). If you want to learn more about atheism Sam Harris isn’t as annoying as Richard Dawkins, but they’re both “holier than thou” atheists.
Hell if you don’t like to read there are some good movies and documentaries out there too. “The Message” (about Islam), “The Last Temptation of Christ” (”The Passion of the Christ” is just pointless, imo), “Jesus Camp” and “Fall from Grace” are good documentaries about extreme “Christianity” (very loose term there), and if you’re curious about early Christianity simplified yet not stupefied, check out “From Jesus to Christ”. If you can get your hands on them, Mormon seminary videos can be decent, a little propagandistic, but it makes somethings simple. The old Book of Mormon cartoons are just too weird.
I haven’t found many good movies on Eastern religions, if anybody knows of any please let me know.
Knowledge can help find the means to eliminate intolerance, or at least lubricate the grindstone better.
And if nothing else check out religioustolerance.org and religiousworlds.com, these are some great sites.
My two cents, if everybody had an open mind maybe they wouldn’t feel so threatened. This includes Muslim, Christian (yes, I’m sticking Mormons in there), Jew, atheist, agnostic, Baha’i, Buddhist, Hindu, etc.
Ecclesiastes 7:9 Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.
(Is it foolish to quote the Bible when I said to research other things? ;])
140. Ozhan - February 6th, 2008 at 9:36 am
“…believes in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit as separate beings.”
That’s what Muslims believe also.
God is creator
Jesus is prophet
Holy Spirit is angel
141. Mount Teetar - February 6th, 2008 at 10:57 am
You forgot one most excellent belief of mormons, that of course was abandoned in the name of political correctness( I didn’t know god’s word was so tempermental) .
Mormons believe that :
The angels that fought on the side of lucifer became demons.
The angels that fought on the side of god became aryan white people.
The angels who did not fight at all…. became black people!
Hahahaha makes sense to me.
142. Mystern - February 6th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Mount Teetar: Close but not quite. Official church documents list it as spirits who were “less valiant” in the war in heaven became black people, but there were no bystanders.
143. Brian - February 6th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Some of the comments on this list are just retarded. Mormons are not any more strange then any other bible toters. At least you don’t see them involved in scandals on a regular basis.
144. Mom424 - February 7th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Mystern; I’ve been processing our little debate for the last few days, trying to figure out why my bullshit (read common-sense) detectors were firing…I couldn’t quite figure out why because I finally understand what you are saying and don’t really disagree. I think I figured it out. I was actually thinking about Anne Perry (author, co-killed her friends mom when caught up in fantasy/love relationship in her teens). The problem I was having is just semantics, but important semantics. Instead of correct choice, I think more apt, “only” choice psychologically speaking….
145. Mystern - February 7th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Mom424: I’m glad you finally got it. The thing most people don’t realize is that everything we do in life is the best we can do at the time. After the fact we may kick ourselves in the ass, but at the time if we saw any other viable alternatives we would have taken those.
I’ve come to the realization that people get caught up lamenting the past thinking there was something they could have done differently. You know those people who are stuck in the same place in their lives? They always make the same mistakes? They are the ones most caught up in the past. They so fervently believe they could have done something differently that they recreate the same situation and make exactly the same mistake and then wonder why they are so miserable.
I’ve realized that I really did the best I could have done in the past, considering the circumstances. I’ve also realized, while it’s important to remember the past, it doesn’t really have any effect on my current situation. Just because I made a bad decision in the past doesn’t mean the decision I must make right now is bad. It has to do with living in the present, and letting go of the past, and the future. What will come will come, you have no say in that whatsoever. And it’s not possible to change the past. The only time you can affect is right now. Period.
146. Mom424 - February 7th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Mystern; what do you do in real life? You should teach.
147. Mystern - February 7th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Mom424: Teach what? For the longest time I wanted to be a teacher. Actually, I’ve aspired to many things in my life. Teaching, architecture, science, literature, business and engineering to name a few. You see how varied my tastes are? Right now I’ve ended up as a corporate junkie doing quality assurance. Basically, I listen to phone calls all day long and make sure the company can’t get sued. For a while there I was in sales, and I”m going back to do sales (door to door, no less) this summer.
Above all else there is one thing in my life I’ve wanted to do. Write. I’ve thus far in my life not had the willpower to do it. The hardest part about writing is just sitting down and doing it. It’s not always easy. You can’t always write fifteen pages in a couple hours, sometimes it only ends up as fifteen sentences. That’s what’s hard about writing. I’ve just never had the willpower thus far to just sit down and do it.
148. Mom424 - February 7th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Mystern; I also did sales for years, the varied interest thing gives you something in common with almost everyone, makes the sales easier.
The reason I said you should teach is that you tend to provoke thought. What the best teachers do. It doesn’t really matter what subject; the best teachers/profs I had went off-topic always. I believe teachers to be under-paid and under-valued, at least the good ones….
149. Mystern - February 7th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Mom424: That is true. Although I believe that could be said for most of the valuable people in society.
150. Melissa - February 7th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I don’t know if it’s considered a bizarre practice, but it’s certainly an interesting fact: The LDS’ family records are an excellent resource for genealogical information. They keep very thorough familial records.
151. Melissa - February 7th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Almost forgot - on the practice of tithing and the comment made earlier about God giving us everything, um, can someone tell me exactly what the Creator of Everything (On A Non-Existent Budget) needs with 10% of my money? I think He would be happier knowing my family is fed, clothed, educated, and kept healthy. You know, seeing as he’s supposed to love us all, and such.
152. Vicky - February 9th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
I have a close friend who’s morman, but she’s refreshingly sane.
153. Ricco - February 13th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
I live in Brazil, it’s funny to see al kind of foreigner people walking wearing the same clothes (the ‘elders’), entering in the ‘favelas’ to doctrine poor people, LOL. My father (74y.o.) is a kind of new-mormon and I caught him begging my for a cup of hot and delicious coffee!
One day he invites me toa party in the ‘church’, people saw me smoking and almost expel me from the ’sacred place’ (the church car parking), calling the Priest to explain me ‘why I can’t smoke there). Haha, i never came back, they’re weird!!!
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154. silently - February 14th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
hhmmm lets see everyone hear is saying what they think mormons believe.
yet no one is actually talking to a mormon they are just talking about their own missunderstandings.
dumb dumb dumb
155. Crimanon - February 14th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Most of my family is Mormon. Any comment that I see as out right Ignorant I respond to. I know what mormons think. No matter how Weird(fucktarded) Mormons may be, I still understand the train of thought. Keep your generalizations to yourself… All of you.
156. JwJwBean - February 14th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
COmment 103. I said I had called my mom who is a Mormon to ask how true these were. Her reply is in that comment. I also seem to remember I a lot of posts that they are either an exmormon, current mormon, or married to a mormon. Not all the posts, but many of them. And I belive the person who made the list was either Mormon, exmormon, or married to one.
157. Mystern - February 14th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
I wrote the list and I was born and raised LDS and I know for a fact that all of these are correct.
158. Adia - February 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Mystern: I apologize for my not knowing about the murder thing. I’ve been going to church for sixteen years and it never occurred to me to seperate manslaughter from murder. I don’t disbelieve you, but where can I find that?
159. Mystern - February 25th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Adia: The difference has to do with intent. Ask your bishop. Manslaughter, is generally an accident. I know of one case in which deliberate murder was forgiven. During WWII a group of Jews were escaping a Nazi camp and one woman had a baby. They were wading across a river to escape and the baby started crying. The woman drowned the baby. Generally the Mormon church will not baptize someone who has committed murder but in this case an exception was made.
160. tommys - March 17th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
mom424: In your comment #83, you said that Jehovah’s Witnesses must also tithe? Where did you get that?
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