Top 10 Most Evil Men
- Published September 5, 2007 - 735 Comments
The most unfortunate aspect to researching this list was the realization that that I could do a top 100 most evil men and still have a multitude of people for a second list! The selection of this list is based not upon death tolls, but upon the general actions, and impact, or brutality of the people. From bad to worst, here are the top 10 evil men in history.
10. Attila The Hun
Attila was Khan of the Huns from 434 until his death in 453. He was leader of the Hunnic Empire which stretched from Germany to the Ural River and from the Danube River to the Baltic Sea. In much of Western Europe, he is remembered as the epitome of cruelty and rapacity. An unsuccessful campaign in Persia was followed in 441 by an invasion of the Eastern Roman Empire, the success of which emboldened Attila to invade the West. He passed unhindered through Austria and Germany, across the Rhine into Gaul, plundering and devastating all in his path with a ferocity unparalleled in the records of barbarian invasions and compelling those he overcame to augment his mighty army. Attila drowned in his own blood on his wedding night.
9. Maximilien Robespierre
Maximilien Robespierre was a leader of the French revolution and it was his arguments that caused the revolutionary government to murder the king without a trial. In addition, Robespierre was one of the main driving forces behind the reign of terror, a 10 month post-revolutionary period in which mass executions were carried out. The Terror took the lives of between 18,500 to 40,000 people, with 1,900 being killed in the last month. Among people who were condemned by the revolutionary tribunals, about 8 percent were aristocrats, 6 percent clergy, 14 percent middle class, and 70 percent were workers or peasants accused of hoarding, evading the draft, desertion, rebellion, and other purported crimes.
In an act of coincidental justice, Robespierre was guillotined without a trial in 1794.
8. Ruhollah Khomeini
Ayatollah Khomeini was the religious leader of Iran from 1979 to 1989. In that time he implemented Sharia Law (Islamic religious law) with the Islamic dress code enforced for both men and women by Islamic Revolutionary Guards and other Islamic groups. Opposition to the religious rule of the clergy or Islam in general was often met with harsh punishments. In a talk at the Fayzieah School in Qom, August 30, 1979, Khomeini said:
“Those who are trying to bring corruption and destruction to our country in the name of democracy will be oppressed. They are worse than Bani-Ghorizeh Jews, and they must be hanged. We will oppress them by God’s order and God’s call to prayer.”
In the 1988 massacre of Iranian prisoners, following the People’s Mujahedin of Iran operation Forough-e Javidan against the Islamic Republic, Khomeini issued an order to judicial officials to judge every Iranian political prisoner and kill those who would not repent anti-regime activities. Many say that thousands were swiftly put to death inside the prisons. The suppressed memoirs of Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri reportedly detail the execution of 30,000 political activists.
After eleven days in a hospital for an operation to stop internal bleeding, Khomeini died of cancer on Saturday, June 04, 1989, at the age of 86.
7. Idi Amin Dada
Idi Amin was an army officer and president of Uganda. He took power in a military coup in January 1971, deposing Milton Obote. His rule was characterized by human rights abuses, political repression, ethnic persecution, extra judicial killings and the expulsion of Indians from Uganda. The number of people killed as a result of his regime is unknown; estimates range from 80,000 to 500,000. On August 4, 1972, Amin issued a decree ordering the expulsion of the 60,000 Asians who were not Ugandan citizens (most of them held British passports). This was later amended to include all 80,000 Asians, with the exception of professionals, such as doctors, lawyers and teachers. Amin was eventually overthrown, but until his death, he held that Uganda needed him and he never expressed remorse for the abuses of his regime.
6. Leopold II of Belgium
Leopold II was King of Belgium from 1865-1909. With financial support from the government, Leopold created the Congo Free State, a private project undertaken to extract rubber and ivory in the Congo region of central Africa, which relied on forced labour and resulted in the deaths of approximately 3 million Congolese. The regime of the Congo Free State became one of the more infamous international scandals of the turn of the century. The area of land privately owned by the King was an area 76 times larger than Belgium, which he was free to rule as a personal domain through his private army, the Force Publique. Leopold’s rubber gatherers tortured, maimed and slaughtered until at the turn of the century, the conscience of the Western world forced Brussels to call a halt.
5. Pol Pot
Pol Pot was the leader of the Khmer Rouge and the Prime Minister of Cambodia from 1976 to 1979, having been de facto leader since mid-1975. During his time in power Pol Pot imposed an extreme version of agrarian communism where all city dwellers were relocated to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labour projects. The combined effect of slave labour, malnutrition, poor medical care and executions is estimated to have killed around 2 million Cambodians (approximately one third of the population). His regime achieved special notoriety for singling out all intellectuals and other “bourgeois enemies” for murder. The Khmer Rouge committed mass executions in sites known as the Killing Fields. The executed were buried in mass graves. In order to save ammunition, executions were often carried out using hammers, axe handles, spades or sharpened bamboo sticks.
4. Vlad Ţepeş
Vlad III of Romania (also known as Vlad the Impaler) was Prince of Wallachia three times between 1448 and 1476. Vlad is best known for the legends of the exceedingly cruel punishments he imposed during his reign and for serving as the primary inspiration for the vampire main character in Bram Stoker’s popular Dracula novel. In Romania he is viewed by many as a prince with a deep sense of justice. His method of torture was a horse attached to each of the victim’s legs as a sharpened stake was gradually forced into the body. The end of the stake was usually oiled, and care was taken that the stake not be too sharp; else the victim might die too rapidly from shock. Wikipedia has an article that describes, in great details, the methods of Vlad’s cruelty. The list of tortures he is alleged to have employed is extensive: nails in heads, cutting off of limbs, blinding, strangulation, burning, cutting off of noses and ears, mutilation of sexual organs (especially in the case of women), scalping, skinning, exposure to the elements or to animals, and boiling alive. There are claims that on some occasions ten thousand people were impaled in 1460 alone.
3. Ivan IV of Russia
Ivan IV of Russia, also know as Ivan the Terrible, was the Grand Duke of Muscovy from 1533 to 1547 and was the first ruler of Russia to assume the title of Tsar. In 1570, Ivan was under the belief that the elite of the city of Novgorod planned to defect to Poland, and led an army to stop them on January 2. Ivan’s soldiers built walls around the perimeter of the city in order to prevent the people of the city escaping. Between 500 and 1000 people were gathered every day by the troops, then tortured and killed in front of Ivan and his son. In 1581, Ivan beat his pregnant daughter-in-law for wearing immodest clothing, causing a miscarriage. His son, also named Ivan, upon learning of this, engaged in a heated argument with his father, which resulted in Ivan striking his son in the head with his pointed staff, causing his son’s (accidental) death.
2. Adolf Hitler
Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany in 1933, becoming “Führer” in 1934 until his suicide in 1945. By the end of the second world war, Hitler’s policies of territorial conquest and racial subjugation had brought death and destruction to tens of millions of people, including the genocide of some six million Jews in what is now known as the Holocaust. On 30 April 1945, after intense street-to-street combat, when Soviet troops were spotted within a block or two of the Reich Chancellory, Hitler committed suicide, shooting himself while simultaneously biting into a cyanide capsule.
1. Josef Stalin
Stalin was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’s Central Committee from 1922 until his death in 1953. Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered from a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government. Estimates of the number of deaths range from 2.5 million to 10 million. The famine was caused by direct political and administrative decisions. In addition to the famine, Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state. In total, estimates of the total number murdered under Stalins reign, range from 10 million to 60 million.
Bonus: Emperor Hirohito of Japan
Hirohito was the Emporer of Japan from 1926 to 1989. In 1937, Japanese troops committed the war crime that is now known as the Rape of Nanking (the then Capital of China, now known as Nanjing). The duration of the massacre is not clearly defined, although the violence lasted well into the next six weeks, until early February 1938. During the occupation of Nanjing, the Japanese army committed numerous atrocities, such as rape, looting, arson and the execution of prisoners of war and civilians. A large number of women and children were also killed, as rape and murder became more widespread. The death toll is generally considered to be between 150,000 and 300,000. The Wikipedia article contains images and descriptions of the atrocities committed.
Notable Omissions: Oliver Cromwell, Mao Tse-tung, Kim Il-sung, Caligula
















September 5th, 2007 at 5:57 am
the introduction is saddening part..
and where is Dick Cheney?
September 5th, 2007 at 6:15 am
dalandzadgad: Wow! I didn’t expect the Bush Administration to be mentioned in the first comment (though I was expecting it eventually). You are quite right about the opening paragraph.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:28 am
Here they come; The Bush/Cheney/Rove-Haters! With their view of evil so skewed, they will hysterically compare legendary evil people who killed millions, like Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin to liberating millions from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Whatever you politically views might be, these are the most evil people who have ever walked the earth. They’re names are synonymous with condoned murder, torture, and rape of thousands of people. To even suggest Bush/Cheney/Rove are in the same league is a sure sign of mental illness.
Seek mental health treatment, Dalandzadgad, if you really believe Cheney should be on this list.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:45 am
Hehe – I think I am going to sit back and watch as sparks fly
September 5th, 2007 at 6:54 am
“liberating millions”..? yes, that’s exactly how the people in Iraq and Afghanistan feel.
blunders aside, the intentions of a select few are truly evil. but no point arguing now, only skewed history will tell.
Dick Cheney makes Stalin look like Bambi.
September 5th, 2007 at 7:09 am
Thank you for NOT including anyone in the Bush administration. However much some may dislike his politics, we have no real expectation that, next year, they will mystically change the Constitution, publicly shoot all who oppose them, and then declare themselves Dictator for Life. Even the most vehement anti-Bush people have every reason to expect Bush and company to step down when the term is up and the new president is sworn in.
Part of what makes a list of ‘evil people’ really good is that the scope and ferocity of what occurs can make your stomach turn. Frequently, they don’t care who they hurt, even their ‘own people’ (Robespierre, Stalin…). And the list of horrendous torments permitted, and encouraged, can sicken us without even lots of details. (And when the details are read, it just seems that much worse.)
A very good list!
September 5th, 2007 at 7:28 am
Cat: Thanks
September 5th, 2007 at 7:39 am
JFRater, you are so evil!:)
dalandzadgad – “Dick Cheney makes Stalin look like Bambi.”
Like Bambi? If you really fear that you might be shipped off to a labor camp for your political views, then I suggest you either leave this country or seek mental health treatment.
It’s obvious you know nothing about Stalin, his purges, the forced labor camps in Siberia he implemented nor the 5 year plans that killed millions.
Seriously, seek mental health treatment. Dick Cheney does not make Stalin look like Bambi. To say so is ignorant and absurd.
September 5th, 2007 at 8:20 am
Excellent list. Hitler often gets the nod for being the ultimate incarnation of modern evil, but it’s often overlooked that Stalin was directly responsible for killing many more than Hitler. This is not to say that Hitler deserves any sympathy – the guy was a monster, and one can only hope that he and Stalin are forced to bunk together in the Inferno.
I’d also like to point out that insisting that Cheny be part of this list is incredibly shortsighted. Regardless of one’s feelings about the current Bush administration, it is important that we maintain a proper perspective on this. Saying that Cheney makes Stalin look like Bambi is hyperbole of the first order. I think that until somebody provokes a nuclear war, NOBODY will make Stalin look like Bambi.
September 5th, 2007 at 8:32 am
Bill: well put!
September 5th, 2007 at 9:16 am
Bill, I think the fact that someone can actually post “Cheney makes Stalin look like Bambi” proves Cheney isn’t worse then Stalin.
But some people are so hysterical over the Bush Administration, you can’t convince them otherwise.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:26 am
Political extremism by both parties is why neither is effective. “We the people…” has been changed to “We the fanatics… (are louder than you, and will do everything possible to silence you). Again, both sides…
September 5th, 2007 at 9:27 am
evan: I guess it proves the old adage about everything in moderation.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:45 am
Absolutely ridiculous… You seem to have forgotten the chaps that dropped the A-bomb my friend. Oh, yes, I forgot. They were American.. Dear, dear..
September 5th, 2007 at 9:49 am
It would interesting to count up the number of people oppressed or killed under British, French, Dutch and American goverments while Stalin was in power.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:01 am
i think it should be noted that even though hirohito allowed and ordered such things in the 30’s he also brought about technological expansions and revolutions as well as economic prosperity for japan, later making it the global power it is today. he also always believed that, in world war 2, if america was attacked it would be a “sleeping giant” that would wreck havoc, as we did. he was an amazing man, and i wouldnt consider him absoutly evil, to think evil think Gen. Ulysses Grant who burned crops and homes of soooo many southern farms in the civil war and allowed people to die who were not armed. there are many americans who have ordered the murder of children and women, im no supporter of murder, though that doesnt excuse hirohito at all for his actions, though he was much younger at the time, and imressionable by the generals and his advisors. also vlad the impaler is considered a hero in romania, he helped spread christianity and unite romania as one, though he was one sick bastard. he, i believe, was actually evil but a great military leader, also, hitler was an amzing leader but the most messed up man ever, absolutly evil, same goes for stalin.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:04 am
to Loose Cannon; The cognitive dissonance going on in your post astounds me:
“Like Bambi? If you really fear that you might be shipped off to a labor camp for your political views, then I suggest you either leave this country or seek mental health treatment.
It’s obvious you know nothing about Stalin, his purges, the forced labor camps in Siberia he implemented nor the 5 year plans that killed millions.”
In the first paragraph you suggest another poster leave the country, and in the second you denounce Stalin for purging people from his country.
More chillingly, in the USSR many were forced into mental health treatment for criticizing the regime, because the workers state was “necessarily” in the interest of the worker, and so one would have to be crazy to criticize it. And as you said earlier: “To even suggest Bush/Cheney/Rove are in the same league is a sure sign of mental illness.”
But let me be clear, I agree with you that Bush/Cheney are nowhere near these guys. However, dalandzadgad is entitled to his opinion, and to suggest that he leave the country or enter an asylum because of his opinions is a clear symptom of totalitarianism.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:09 am
While we’re at it lets add the bombing of Dresden, if you live in the south I’m sure Sherman, Grant, and Lincoln would be the top 3, if you lived in Gaul the top 10 would consist of all Romans, if you were the Red Sox you’d say the Yankees. Look, this is a subjective list created by Jfrater. While America certainly hasn’t be perfect (the interment of the Japanese citizens during WWII comes to mind) I don’t think one single leader has been “evil” enough to take the spot of one of those listed above.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Anomie- Why would anyone want to live in a country where they fear being shipped to a prison work camp?
My suggestion was sincere: If you really live in a country where you fear you will be sent to a prison work camp, ala Stalin’s purges, then move!
If Cheney does make Stalin look like Bambi, as dalandzadgad has insists, then why would anyone choose to stay there?
Allow me to put it in another way: If I lived in the USSR during Stalin’s dictatorship and had the freedom to leave, I would certainly have done so. If I truly believed Cheney makes Stalin look like Bambi, then I would leave!
Also, I’m very sincere when I say that dalandzadgad should seek mental health treatment, but by no means am I advocating he/she be forced to submit to such treatment.
I would also suggest this treatment for anyone claiming to have had sex with aliens, having shook hands with Bigfoot, or had dinner with Elvis last night.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Judas Iscariot should be up here. Personally stabbing God in the back is an act that’s hard to beat.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
I do not agree that Judas should be on this list Joe, if it were Jesus’ destiny to die for our sins then Judas played a important role in that. New Studies and what some believe may be a new Testament show that Judas was Jesus’ most trusted friend and had to be convinced by Jesus to do what he did. Some believe that Judas did this knowing full well he’d burn for it, but in doing so saved humanity. I think its interesting. If this were true that would make Judas one of the Bibles biggest heroes.
A few people I think would have made great additions to the list,
Nero
Gilles de Rais (spelling)
Elizabeth Bathory (although it does say men)
Albert Fish (his numbers werent high but he was pure evil)
September 5th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
clowns, just clowns in general. They’re pure evil and everyone hates them, i mean have you seen the movie IT?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
the clown in It was a front for something much darker, but I agree clowns are creepy.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Midian: Bathory is in the notable omissions – Fish is on another list here, Gille de Rais is also on another list here – but I agree, he was evil (though he did repent in the end), and Nero is a well worthwhile addition that I forgot to add to the omissions.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
gnome: the a-bomb was definitely bad, but it put an end to far worse atrocities.
evan: I did a top ten phobias – fear of clowns is on it
Joe: Iscariot was definitely evil if you consider that Christ was God, but as many readers will debate that point, he is not included. Thank you for mentioning him though – a worthy addition.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
All you liberal head cases need to take your head out of your own ass. Bush and Cheney meant well with invading iraq and afghanistan. While i know you supported the beating and rape of women done in both Iraq and Afghanistan by the hundreds of thousands, those women didint. Get a clue and quit wining like little girls. Its not America’s fault that the psychotic musltim fanatics cant get thru their jihadic sculls american forces will leave once they stop attacking.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
another for the list: General Shiro Ishii.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
where are J bush??
September 5th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
thats is a vicious list…the eeveeer same list…
September 5th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
i can’t see saddam hossein,person who killed many people of iraq and iran,
i object to first name in list,ayatollah khomeini was an spiritual man,he was the man who led the evolution of Iran,
what is your criteria for this ranking?
if you want to know about him refer to iranian people who know him,not someones who introduce him an evil man just for this reason he opposed them,because their interest endangered after the revolution,if there is shortcomings after the revolution,we shouldn’t blame all on him,
it is absolutely unfair to call him an evil man.
check out this link for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
September 5th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
Just remember….these men could have been more evil than they were.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
this is a collection of progressive leaders with real bareballsack drive.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Hirohito? I think Tojo was more evil.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
god
By whatever name you refer to the supreme deity, more evil has been done in the name of organized religion than by any government or individual in history.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:41 pm
sorry, forgot to add that according to the bible, the deity himself has killed thousands if not millions through fire, flood and generalized mayhem.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
DUDE, mao has supposedly killed around 30 MILLION… how could he be an honorable mention?
and what about whoever is in charge of saudi arabia; they have “religous” police that go around and beat people not following the state religon, and millions have been mass murdered
September 6th, 2007 at 1:23 am
m: I really don’t think Khomeni lead the evolution of Iran – I would say he lead it back to the middle ages and made it a country of repression. That is why he is here.
Justin: Mao is definitely evil, but I put the North Korean on the list because his legacy of Stalinized government continues to this day (though through his son).
September 6th, 2007 at 1:41 am
Yeah, finally a Belgian in one of these lists.
Too bad it’s this list though.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:50 am
tony3s: that is true indeed. There might be another if I do a top 10 greatest restaurants – Belgium rates very high with the Michelin guide I hear.
September 6th, 2007 at 6:02 am
FE: I’m not sure I get your point: God is evil because of the acts committed in his name?
In that case, I’d surely like to add Karl Marx and Frederick Ingles.
More cruelty and mass murder have been committed for their ideal of social equability then any figure in history. Between Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, and other socialist/communist movements leaders, at least 100 million deaths can be attributed, not to mention torture, forced famines, and labor camps.
The Spanish Inquisition, which lasted from 1476 to 1834, killed an estimated 3,000 to 5,000, while Pol Pot alone is said have killed 2 million, 1/3 of the population of Cambodia, in just 3 years, all in the name of social progress.
September 6th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Why is Cromwell on your ‘honourable mentions’? That man helped liberalise and transform England, as well as win the Dutch War and allow more freedom of speech than ever before.
As for recommendations, Hitler is a fairly easy choice, but there were worse Nazis such as Goebbles, Goering and Mengele.
And also, General Shiro Ishii, the man in charge with the most horrific death camp in history: Unit 731
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
September 6th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
JT: ever hear of the Siege of Drogheda or the Sack of Wexford? Outside of England he is considered a tyrant. Thanks for the other mentions – very appropriate. I did consider Mengele for the list but went with Hitler for the same reason I went with Stalin and Hirohito – while they did not directly commit the atrocities, they sanctioned or planned them.
September 6th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
So Khomeini made the list. Where’s Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson? Khomeini is no more evil than these guys, he just plays for the enemy team therefore you consider him evil. Partisan religious politics at its worst
sad.
September 6th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
I reckon Pablo Escobar was quite an evil fella’ too.
September 6th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
Jeremy – While Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are not my favorite people, I hardly consider their buffoonery even close to the tyrannical and murderous level of Khomeini.
Khomeini was far more evil then Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell. In early 1989, Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for the assassination of Salman Rushdie. This wasn’t just an opinion, that Rushdie should die, but rather a religious edict that “it is incumbent on every Muslim to employ everything he has got, his life and wealth, to send him to Hell.”
While this alone doesn’t make him among the most evil, it is certainly head and shoulders above Robertson or Falwell.
September 6th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
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September 6th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Where is Kyser Soze????
September 6th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
Mark – Maybe he’s with Darth Vader and Lord Voldemort on the most fictitious evil people list!
Have our public schools so deteriorated that some people can tell between fictional characters and real people??
September 6th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
Hehe – great comments – keep it up
September 9th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Loose Cannon,
Enthusiastic seconds on Karl Marx and Frederick Engels!
September 9th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
PSGInfinity: Unfortunately, I think we’ve become a world where good intentions matter more then actual results.
People like Karl Marx, Che Guevara and VI Lenin are revered for their philosophy and intent, but the results of their misguided notions have brought about more agony and misery in the world then anyone else.
Perhaps not evil in themselves, they should be viewed by history as fools but instead are put on t-shirts and hailed as heroes. How sad.
September 9th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
tjgrs:
You should know that most of Southeast Asia (China, N&S Korea, Philippines, etc,) feels RAPED by Japan ruled by Hirohito. The part written here doesn’t do justice to the actual damage he did to the rest of the world. So what if he was a hero in Japan? Look at it from the bigger perspective. Go and say that to the rest of Asia that had to suffer and couldn’t develop as fast because their people were killed/raped. It’s all in the perspective.
September 9th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
someguy: “It’s all in the perspective.”
Exactly. Which is why many Americans can’t see why Bush or Cheney should be on this list. Ask the rest of they world about the damage the Bush Administration has done.
Cat Skyfire: “However much some may dislike his politics, we have no real expectation that, next year, they will mystically change the Constitution, publicly shoot all who oppose them, and then declare themselves Dictator for Life.”
They have already dramatically changed the Constitution, nothing mystic about it. They have publicly humiliated and falsely imprisoned those who are in opposition in the name of the Patriot Act. While Bush hasn’t secured the title of Dictator for Life, money and power has guaranteed that he and his cohorts will continue to influence the decisions of the government.
September 9th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Geez, another crazed leftist!
In 1999, Time Mag. ran a poll of who should be named ‘Person of the Century.’ I remember reading forums of people who weighed in with the most significant persons who effected all of our lives over the last century, for good and bad; Einstein, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, FDR, JFK, etc.
Invariably, some religious freak would submit Jesus. Not that He wasn’t influential over the centuries, but ‘Person of 20th Century’? They would almost always argue that ‘He Lives!’ and therefore qualifies.
C’mon! Get your head on straight. Even if you believe ‘Chimpy McHitlerburton’, connived a nation into overthrowing two of the world’s worst regime’s, do you really believe, in the complete annals of history, he or Cheney are the most evil or even comparable to people like Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin, who each murdered millions???
Have you been so indoctrinated by the leftist media in this nation and abroad that you’ve lost all ability to rationally and logically segment really evil people from, at most, the misguided?
Given a choice by the rest of the world, I would suspect the results would lead to a list very similar to the above. Most people are rational and not insanely obsessed, unlike the crazed left-wing nuts in this country.
September 9th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Lucy: “They have publicly humiliated and falsely imprisoned those who are in opposition in the name of the Patriot Act.”
Fine, provide the name and sourced article of those who’ve been imprisoned and ‘publicly humiliated’ just for opposing the Patriot Act.
Like it or not, the Patriot Act was passed by both the House and the Senate, and legally signed into law by the President. And while I don’t personally agree with all it’s provisions, circumventing it is illegal.
Simply opposing it isn’t.
Opposing Marijuana laws isn’t illegal, but manufacturing, selling or use of it is, in most areas. See the difference?
September 9th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
I’m glad to see Stalin made the top slot, though I agree that Marx, the rich snot, should bear some philisophical blame for the hundreds of millions of deaths caused by communism.
One could wish that those who quail and shiver under the hideous shadow of the “Patriot Act” would somehow sideslip through time and enter, say, Communist Moscow in the 1950’s, or the Killing Fields of Cambodia, or the stadiums of Rome where Christians were burnt alive in oiled torches.
Perhaps you could add “American Public Schools” to a list of crimes against humanity. No one who actually learned history would ever mention our government and leaders in the same breath as these monsters.
September 9th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Every law that was made in account of September eleventh was only made for one purpose. The suppression and control of the American people. Do you know that if you leave this country and get ride of your citizenship to it, THAT YOU CAN BE PULLED BACK WITHIN FIVE YEARS OF YOUR LEAVE!!!! LOL!!, YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE United States, ROFL. When this countries economy crashes and everyone wants to expatriate they will all be stuck**!! INCLUDING ME and I love it.
I do not know why, but I love chaos and fighting.
People crack me up though! They drive home in your V8 trucks and step into your 3 bedroom, insulated, plumbed, electric able, internet and television able houses THAT HAVE FOOD STOCKED NECK HIGH AND FRESH WATER and flick on the TV and SUCK IT IN. Its like you do not realize what you really have. ALSO its this same view that is the same reason why the democrats have gained numbers. Its like democrats are the exact people that take for granted what they have to the max. More government??? We the people are too poor??? HEY let the rich guy be rich if he is going to put gas in my gas tank cheaper than the other rich guy. We split monopolies and no one gets to big so the competition is good. Every free civilization comes to a point where the rich are far to rich and the poor are far too poor and eventually it leads to the crashing of the that society and eventually the entire civilization usually gets attacked in its weakness. Now we know that fighting about who’s too rich is bad. So? why do we do it then???
HA, HA, HA, IT makes me sick when people argue about politics. You know why??? BECAUSE ITS INVIGORATING. YOU CANT DO SHAT about the bad things happening in the world, so just get over it and accept that the end is near, unless we want to agree ON SOMETHING FOR ONCE!! MUTUAL agreement COULD SAVE THE WORLD. It doesn’t matter what anyone does or says anymore, there will always be ignorant people in this world up until they see meet their maker. You do not own your house, you do not own your car, you do not own yourself, you are a slave to the United States of America and the big times that run it. As it says in the bible this day WILL come and it either has or is very close. I may not be the best at ENglish, but I do know that we are in Iraq for oil, The m16 overheats, porn will destroy you, trust no one, and nothing I can say in my entire lifetime could change even a single individuals opinion without love. Only through love can you trust another truly, but even then people can falter, and that is why you have to research and be skeptical of something even if it sounds so… so! sweet. If you disagree with what I say you are STUPID, SHUT UP!! lol. laters
September 9th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Fidel Castro and Ernesto Che Guevara are missing from the list too
September 9th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Lucy:
I do not agree with you at all. Please don’t connect my comment about Hirohito with your Bush-bashing lame excuse for politics. You want to know something Democrats hate to learn or accept? When the Rwandan genocide was taking place in 1994, the US clearly had knowledge of the incident but Clinton chose to “ignore” it. 8000+ people died per day for 100 days. Oh, and he refused to call it genocide. Type “clinton rwanda” on google and you’ll get his “apology” for not having taken action. Anything politicians do or did (on either side) will always be grilled by the other side. Just don’t be one of those stupid people who say “Bush is evil” without any argument or evidence.
September 9th, 2007 at 8:09 pm
Lucy:
8000 people dying per day for 100 days is 800,000 people dead.
September 9th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
I’m not really surprised Lucy hasn’t taken up my challenge. She really didn’t have the courage to address me directly, anyway.
Over the course of recorded human history there have been some truly evil men. I really believe the men on this list represent the absolute worst and if I lived during their time, in their country, under their rule, I would fear for my families lives every single moment.
There are people in this country who believe that aliens are monitoring their buttocks from millions of light-years away. I pity them. They are obviously deranged and need serious mental health treatment. They are wrecked with a mental illness that they can’t get away from and fed into it with senseless lies they read on the web and in the media. I hope they somehow come to their senses and see how delusional they really are.
People who really believe Bush and Cheney are among the most evil people in all of history, such as Lucy and dalandzadgad, are just as mentally ill as those poor lost souls who believe aliens are monitoring their buttocks. I hope they get well.
September 9th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
Someguy: I visited the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in DC not to long ago, and it had an exhibit about the genocide in Rwanda. It is, without a doubt, the most senseless slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people that could have been prevented in modern times.
September 9th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
Loose_Cannon – excellent point about tee-shirts. Just two days ago a guy jogged past here wearing a shirt with the letter KGB on the front with a Soviet symbol – how could someone be so ignorant as to ignore the millions butchered by the Soviet government and the terror caused by the KGB? I am sure someone would not get far down the street if it were a big swastika and the SS logo – how is it that so many people are ignorant of the Soviet holocaust?
September 9th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
hal: Castro is on the worst 10 living dictators, and Che is on the famous corpses – so at least they both get a mention.
September 9th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Bonnie wrote: One could wish that those who quail and shiver under the hideous shadow of the “Patriot Act” would somehow sideslip through time and enter, say, Communist Moscow in the 1950’s, or the Killing Fields of Cambodia, or the stadiums of Rome where Christians were burnt alive in oiled torches.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said the biggest crime against humanity was the complete lack of teaching in our public schools about the atrocities committed by some truly evil men.
But I wanted to address the quote above: These were horrific acts of unbridled evil that, unfortunately, many of these people can not digest intellectually. They can not wrap their small minds around the idea of coordinated and planned mass execution on a very grand scale. They are just not imaginative and since there’s no stock footage or pictures of the acts being committed, they lack the mental aptitudes to fathom such brutal atrocities.
It would be like asking your dog what was the greatest magic act of all history. He would most likely answer, if he could, the way his food magically appears to come from the bag when you pour it into his bowl. Sure, you could explain Houdini, Copperfield, or Penn & Teller, but he would simply not understand their worth.
September 9th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
jfrater wrote: how is it that so many people are ignorant of the Soviet holocaust?
My not so humble opinion is that so many people on the intellectual left favored the Soviet Union’s cause and simply saw the ‘Show Trials’, murders and famine as a necessary part to provide for the ‘common good’. When they were proved wrong and the Soviet Union collapsed they held on to their misguided beliefs and focused their energy on Nazism and Slavery.
Every school child can tell who Harriet Tubman, Fredrick Douglas or Hitler was. Very few could tell you about Mao, Lenin, or Stalin. And yet the greatest atrocities to mankind, in sheer numbers alone, were the misguided attempts to bring about ‘equality’.
Many of these same people talk about how important ‘peace’ is. They’ll tell you to ‘Give People a Chance’ and ‘Pray for World Peace’. None that I’ve encountered ever mention ‘Justice’. Peace without justice is meaningless. Many of the most brutal acts in history were committed in peacetime. 50 million people were starved to death, forced to relocate to labor camps or simply murdered during peace time.
September 9th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
Loose_Cannon: I think you are probably right. I certainly hope that History in a few more years reflects that.
September 11th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
There is no evidence that Hirohito was more than a figurehead who was trapped by his position. Unfair!
September 12th, 2007 at 3:41 am
KISSANGER ONE OF THE MOST EVIL JEWS EVER BORN
September 12th, 2007 at 4:25 am
Ron: Your spelling and yelling isn’t doing much for your credibility
September 12th, 2007 at 5:37 am
Ron:KISSANGER ONE OF THE MOST EVIL JEWS EVER BORN
What’s a Kissanger? Does it have anything to do with Henry Kissinger?
Also, what’s with the antisemitism around here? Did this list get posted at Stormfront or DU somehow?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:50 am
Loose Cannon: hehe – I just have no idea where it is coming from. As long as it remains debate I don’t mind people having their say, but if things heat up I will delete comments or block them.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Bonnie, Marx lived in povery most of his life. He wrote a critique of 19th century capitalism-which was accurate at the time for Europe. He said very little of what a future communist society should look like-maybe a couple of pages at best.
September 16th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Pol Pot was a poser. He probably read the back of the French version and said “Tivo la Revolucion!”
September 17th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
have you try to know khomeini without publicity of Journals!
Please Try It and then talk about him
September 17th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
soha: Do you not consider it evil that he had all the political prisoners retried and executed if they did not agree with him? I sure do.
September 18th, 2007 at 2:14 am
no! it’s a bouncer, he disagreed with those but the first of each Revolution exsit riot. he was a great man.do you know about iran and iranian conditions before 1979? do you know about Khomeni’s life?
please refer this link:
http://www.irib.ir/Ouriran/imam/homepage/html/en/1.htm
September 18th, 2007 at 2:30 am
soha: there are people who think Oliver Cromwell was a great man, and those who think he was evil. There are those who think Queen Elizabeth I of England was a great woman and those who think she was evil. There is no value in trying to convince people one way or the other. I consider Khomeni to be an evil man so I included him on my list. If you wrote the list, you wouldn’t. We don’t have to agree with each other – we can still all enjoy the site
September 18th, 2007 at 2:43 am
Ok but that’s better we judge about things with their properties, conditions and cultures!
with best
September 19th, 2007 at 2:49 am
My family’s from India, and an awful lot of people put Winston Churchill up on that list, right up there with Hitler and Stalin (if not quite that high). Churchill despised the Indian people openly and his malicious attitudes came out in a myriad of ways. He even deliberately withheld rice and other grains from a starving Bengal in 1942, despite a clear recognition of feasibility by his ministers– killed 4 million people in the process. Churchill was also one of the main motivators of the 1950’s coup that toppled the democratically-elected Mossadekh in Iran, one of the main reasons we later got the evil Khomeini in the first place!
I don’t view him quite so negatively. But I hardly see him as a hero, either. He was a murderous racist in his own right, and a failure in others.
I agree with your choice of Stalin at #1, and Pol Pot as well– an evil, ruinous, utterly incompetent bastard if there ever was one. But I’m sorry, WTF is Hirohito doing up there? He was just a figurehead in Japan.
September 19th, 2007 at 5:04 am
Gopal: that is very interesting – thanks for mentioning that – I had no idea. As far as Hirohito is concerned, there is a school of thought that says that he was directing from behind the scenes.
September 19th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
1.2 Million Iraqi’s killed by Bush Regime, why isn’t Bush/Cheney on the list?
September 19th, 2007 at 10:09 pm
When those responsible for the American war in Iraq face a public reckoning for their colossal crimes, the weekend of September 15-16, 2007 will be an important piece of evidence against them. On Friday, September 14 there were brief press reports of a scientific survey by the British polling organization ORB, which resulted in an estimate of 1.2 million violent deaths in Iraq since the US invasion.
This staggering figure demonstrates two political facts: 1) the American war in Iraq has produced a humanitarian catastrophe of historic proportions, with a death total already higher than that in Rwanda in 1994; 2) those arguing against a US withdrawal on the grounds that this would lead to civil war, even genocide, are deliberately concealing the fact that such a bloodbath is already taking place, with the US military in control.
The reaction to the ORB report in the US political and media establishment was virtual silence. After scattered newspaper reports Friday, there was no coverage on the Friday evening television newscasts or on the cable television news stations. There was no comment from the Bush White House, the Pentagon, or the State Department, and not a single Republican or Democratic presidential candidate or congressional leader made an issue of it. On the Sunday morning talk shows on all four broadcast networks the subject was not raised.
This was not because those involved were unaware of the study, which received wide circulation on the Internet and was prominently reported in the British daily press. Nor was there any serious challenge to the validity of the study’s findings.
September 20th, 2007 at 6:26 am
RH: Why isn’t Bush/Cheney on the list? … On Friday, September 14 there were brief press reports of a scientific survey by the British polling organization ORB, which resulted in an estimate of 1.2 million violent deaths in Iraq since the US invasion.
Because only ‘Fruit Loops’ would compare ‘Bushy McHitler’ with Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pott and this study is exactly why you and your friends are so nuts.
This survey you spin, conducted by the Opinion Research Business, asked 1499 Iraqi’s if they lost anyone in their family since the invasion. Here are the results from their survey:
None 78%
One 16%
Two 5%
Three 1%
Four or more 0.002%
So, in other words, a vast majority said ‘None’. But from the very small minority that answered ‘one or more’, ORB concluded 1.2 million Iraqi’s had died.
Now, here’s the spin part of behalf of RH: When asked how they died, ORD found “48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance.”
6%, or more then 73,000, resulted in death from an accident, and 20%, or 244,000 are the result of car bombings.
So, RH and his loony brigade are not only blaming Bush and Cheney for actual deaths on the battlefield, they want to blame them for everyday accidents that may or may not have happen due to the invasion, but also the deaths cause by Al Quada and the insurgents.
AND, since ORB takes into account EVERY household in Iraq, the crazy left is pushing this to include even the insurgents and Al Quida memebers themselves!!
This would be akin to blaming LBJ for not only the deaths of Americans in Vietnam, but also the South Vietnamese killed by the Viet Cong, the Viet Cong whom were killed on purpose or by accident, AND the regular North Vietnamese Army troops who were killed.
Incidentally, ORB conducted another survey recently, which concluded “that despite the horrendous personal security problems only 26% of the country preferred life under the previous regime of Saddam Hussein, with almost half (49%) preferring life under the current political system.”
This begs the question that if life is so bad for regular Iraqi’s and so many have died at the hands of McBushy Hilburler and Darth Cheney according to RH, why do almost a majority of them prefer life under our stooge puppet then under Saddam??
You can’t really blame RH. S/He is just a pawn in the socialist left who more then likely didn’t even read the entire article and spouts this rhetoric on demand and by reflex, no doubt. But if RH had bothered to even read past the headline, S/he would have seen that this survey results spin they vomit here, lacks the integrity and honesty, which very common among the leftists in America and abroad today.
For references:
http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78
http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=67
September 20th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Hey, you forgot George Bush jr., responsible for the death of almost half a million Iraqis and thousands of US soldiers, as well as Osama bin Laden for providing him the excuse to do so. The brutally calm and calculated way they both still play out their respective parts warrants a mention on this list.
September 20th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Simon Templar: Hey, you forgot George Bush jr.,
Who’s George Bush jr??
…responsible for the death of almost half a million Iraqis and thousands of US soldiers
Oh, and of course, the insurgents and Al Quida had nothing to do with those deaths.
Why not be original like RH and blame McBushy HilBurtler for all the accidents that happen, as well?
September 20th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Simon Templar: the thing I have to be careful of in these lists, is to not become blinded by current events – for example if I were to do a top 10 Ends of Humanity, I might list global warming as the most likely event to do that – but it is because everyone is talking about it at the moment. Chances are, in 10 years, people will have forgotten global warming and will have gone on to some new fad promoted by the press. So I think we need to let history play out and then make our decisions. Bush has only been president for a short time and people are so emotional about him that we haven’t had time to look back and make a qualified statement one way or the other. When we do, if he is shown to be evil, I will modify this list.
September 21st, 2007 at 11:40 am
Well said jfrater, I didn’t mean to criticize the list, it was more an attempt at psuedo-humor. But now that some of us are nit-picking (not you, jfrater), almost all the guys on this list are still universally despised whereas outside the US, you’ll encounter millions who revere Khomeini. I’ve nothing against Bush & Co., I’m sure they’re adorable and harmless as bunny rabits, I just hope they don’t one day land on my doorstep to liberate my family. And yes, I agree, he doesn’t belong on this list, yet.
As a side note, you also missed some pretty nasty guys from Serbia.
September 21st, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Simon: thank you for being the first person to honestly realise the position I am in over Bush – I try to keep him out of the topics, not because I favor him – I am not even American, but because we need time to see what happens.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:01 pm
I’ve nothing against Bush & Co., I’m sure they’re adorable and harmless as bunny rabits, I just hope they don’t one day land on my doorstep to liberate my family.
No worries about that, Simon. You obviously have the means to own a computer and the freedom to express your opinion, no matter how insane they might seem. Billions of other people in the world don’t have that privilege, yet.
I’m certain millions of those people would gladly be liberated, by Bush or anyone else.
September 21st, 2007 at 11:44 pm
where is the place of Sharon?
Is he the top of top?
if you say no please visit this:
http://hosting.menanet.net/~hab/hab/Gallary/Sabra/sabra82.htm
September 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 am
hey Loose_Cannon, computers can now be had almost everywhere in the world for as low as a $100, and access to one is, in most thirld world countries, is not a problem. You don’t need a PC to express your opinion, just thinking about an injustice being wrong can also suffice. All the billions waiting for Bush to liberate them are being tormented by the very guys supported by the US government, Pakistan being a major example here. My opinions might seem insane but yours, Sir, are bigoted, and I’d rather be insane than a bigot. I’ve taken the liberty to assume that you are an American citizen. If an American citizen on American soil is forced to drink her own bottled breast milk to prove that its not Nitro Glycerin and decent people are forced to give up their liberties every day in the name of homeland security, just imagine what Bush & Co.’s chief ally is doing in Pakistan. Edmund Burke said, All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Do you consider yourself a good man?
September 22nd, 2007 at 11:33 pm
Simon: My opinions might seem insane but yours, Sir, are bigoted, and I’d rather be insane than a bigot.
Bigoted?
I consider myself bigoted against the idea Bigfoot exists, that Elvis is still alive and that aliens are monitoring individuals anal cavities from millions of light years away.
I am very closed to others opinions on those matters and wouldn’t change them at anytime, unless sound, scientific evidence were directly presented to me.
I would sincerely hope most people in the world are bigoted to some opinions.
Simon, look around you carefully. We have the complete freedom to express whatever crazed ideas we wish to convey in this country. The one characteristic each of the of the most evil individuals on this list have, the one they all share, the single thread any rational person would admit is that they would never tolerate dissent.
They’ve killed, tortured, and had individuals imprisoned just for dissent.
Each of them, also, have been directly responsible for a minimum of thousands upon thousands of deaths. If we were to hold individuals as evil for the direct result of death attributed to our enemies, such as the insurgent suicide bombers, the first president I would nominate would be LBJ. Think of the Gulf of Tonkin, the 57,000 American GI’s, and the actions of a few individuals that resulted in mass murder charges against our troops, not to mention the attacks by Vietvong and regular NVA troops.
Loss of liberty is evil? Think FDR and the 100,000 Asian Americans who were forced to relocate to camps for the remainder of WWII.
OR maybe Lincoln, who was the first president, I believe, to ever suspend Habeas Corpus.
Evil is, or at least should be, reserved for those persons whom history has decided are, or were, intent on mass murder.
Gassing 6 million Jews, intentionally causing famine that results in 10 millions+ deaths, having thousands impaled on wooden sticks while you dine and murdering individuals who look ‘intellectual’ are evil acts, and so we can call the persons who committed these atrocities evil.
Liberating millions of people from two of the most repressive regime’s in modern history wasn’t an evil act.
And anyone who claims it is, is either insane or ignorant of history. I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt in your intellect but I could be wrong on that matter.
September 23rd, 2007 at 12:06 am
Simon: hey Loose_Cannon, computers can now be had almost everywhere in the world for as low as a $100, and access to one is, in most thirld world countries, is not a problem.
Simon, in a majority of third world nations, most of the population makes then then $1,000 US a year. And furthermore, according to an article by The Economist, a very well respected magazine, “Developing countries have three quarters of the world’s population and use just 18% of its electricity. Four-fifths of their inhabitants live in rural areas with no electricity, so consumption per person is low: around 500 kilowatt hours kWl,) each year…
In other words, a majority of people living in third world nations don’t even have electricity, never mind the luxury of a PC. Maybe they’re hand cranking their Dell??
You’re wrong, Simon. Having electricity is difficult enough. Access to a PC is a luxury, which you have, and most of the world doesn’t.
Are you really this naive?
Source: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5037/is_198805/ai_n18322038
September 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 am
Hey Loose_Cannon, since you like to quote so much,
“Simon, look around you carefully. We have the complete freedom to express whatever crazed ideas we wish to convey in this country. The one characteristic each of the of the most evil individuals on this list have, the one they all share, the single thread any rational person would admit is that they would never tolerate dissent.
They’ve killed, tortured, and had individuals imprisoned just for dissent.
Each of them, also, have been directly responsible for a minimum of thousands upon thousands of deaths.”
I rest my case.
“Simon, in a majority of third world nations, most of the population makes then then $1,000 US a year. And furthermore, according to an article by The Economist, a very well respected magazine, “Developing countries have three quarters of the world’s population and use just 18% of its electricity. Four-fifths of their inhabitants live in rural areas with no electricity, so consumption per person is low: around 500 kilowatt hours kWl,) each year…”
I do get your drift, its just that its so….. drifting.
Au revoir my bigot friend, I’ve gotta go discuss this further with LBJ and Napoleon in the asylum cafeteria.
October 1st, 2007 at 11:55 am
A small critique: Though Attila was a nasty fellow, I would say he’s more a victim of his times. There were many barbaric tribes and nations in that era, which is why it led to the Dark Ages (the end of widespread literacy). I would replace him with Nero: responsible for torturing and killing millions. Also believed (by most scholars) to be the Antichrist which the Apostle John wrote of in his exile.
And a bit of praise: This list is a service to the world; reminding everyone how much society has progressed, and encouraging us to progress further. Thank you.
October 1st, 2007 at 11:58 am
Arik: Thanks for your comment and praise
It is greatly appreciated.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:07 pm
you surely can’t be serious! in the context of his time khomeini was probably one of the heroes of the twentieth century. Robespierre? he challenged the brutal indifference of a typically corrupt monarchy!!! and why isn’t churchill on your list? where are the bush-wits?? roosevolt?
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:17 pm
stu: maybe if you hate women. Robespierre murdered people without a trial – how can you support that? I am guessing you must be an extreme left wing supporter?
October 4th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
i do believe that your list may need a little modification…the most evil man in the history of the world would have to hilary clinton. thank you
October 4th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
i put this on the women list so i will put it on thison this list. i guess that this should be under the most evil men and women in the world (the just recently turned bad, they were AWESOME the rest of the time) would have to be the people at bungie… how could they do that to me, i mean after 6 years of playing mastercheif and now hes just floating off in space (or maybe landing on “marathon”) and i have to have an ending like that, i mean they went off and crushed millions of peoples dreams (unless they make halo4) that is the most evil anyone could do
October 7th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
Perhaps the number 1 position should have been given to the god or gods that are often cited as the authority for taking the lives of others.
October 7th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
i think your judgement is a bit naive…accomodation has to made for time, culture, circumstance, and most importantly which side wrote the history which serves as current day sources..
As you mentioned Romanians consider Vlad quite a hero. Attila was very maligned by the oh so pious romans, especially when they kept losing to him
And Hirohito had no more power in Japan than Ahmedinejad has in Iran…
Its surprising how nobody considers the..uhmm 2nd nuclear bomb dropped on a living human city?
Why the 2nd? After only 3 days? No real negotiation…no warning…oh wait..i think they threw leaflets telling the people to leave the city…oh yes…surely they’re heroes then…
October 8th, 2007 at 12:49 am
and where is bush
October 8th, 2007 at 1:02 am
I ask again : where is the Israel Leaders?
are there in the Evil?
The Palestinian Child is under their high boots!
October 8th, 2007 at 2:12 am
ali: In the Whitehouse I believe
October 9th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
what about Dick (the bastard) Cheney?
October 9th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Yes Dick Cheney should be here too! A totally dispicable human being – not worthy of our contempt. How come evil bastards like him don’t die from heart attacks – actually I’m amazed he actually has a heart at all! A total low life who has almost destroyed America’s already dubious reputation and thinks only of himself and his rich mates – Dick, Belzebub has a devil set aside for you!
October 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
This is why I love teh internets. Screw facts and logic when you can resort to Ad Hominem attacks against people you disagree with. But seriously…
The argument that Che should be on the list but Bush shouldn’t is blatantly biased. Both people, according to their followers, acted out of a desire to help people. Both people ended up causing a lot of deaths in the process. But since Bush is American, putting him on the list is a no-no, but Che and Marx(see note), yeah they should go up there. I’m not the biggest Che fan myself, but that’s a little ridiculous.
Actually, this whole concept of arguing whether Bush, Hitler, Stalin, Che, or your little sister isn’t going to get anywhere. The problem is that Hitler isn’t famous just because he was evil. He is famous because he was evil AND had was powerful enough to act on that evil in major ways. Bush doesn’t even have the power to kill people at Stailin/Hitler’s scale even if he wanted to. Would he have out-eviled Stalin/Hitler if he had that much power? Who knows, but I bet there are tons of people who would be just as evil or worse as the people on that list but simply didn’t have power. The list is more like the “top 10 most powerful people in the world who are also evil”, which is a good list, but doesn’t fit with these arguments. Since Bush, despite having a TON of power, can’t really get away with starting a Holocaust, it is pretty much impossible to make any relevant comparisons either way.
PS: Marx was a philosopher by the way, he didn’t kill anybody, and he specifically said Communism would NOT work in an feudal agrarian society but required an existing capitalist democracy to advance from. Of course, the idiots in Russia and China, and pretty much every other Communist country, decided to ignore this important piece of advice from the very person who’s philosophy they were following and instead put all their power into the hands of a few people (which never works out well). By the way, during the time when Marx lived, the working class were a LOT worse of then they are today, often at the point of borderline slavery. It makes sense that somebody would look for a way to fix that and he can’t realistically be expected to magically foresee that his views would be corrupted by a bunch of idiots and power-hungry maniacs and then turn into the bloodbath that they did. At least Jesus is supposed to have some sort of divine power.
PSS: Vlad was one seriously screwed up dude. It doesn’t matter who considers him a hero.
October 14th, 2007 at 7:25 am
Has anyone mentioned Idi Amin, former dictator of Uganda? If he isn’t deserving of being on the list of most evil guys, he should at least be up there on the list of “Not very fun guys”.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:04 pm
how is stalin eviler than hitler? hmm… its either i slept through history classes or i was daydreaming or both… either one of those or im high! again!
October 24th, 2007 at 2:04 am
magnolia_snooze: Stalin’s actions lead to between 10 and 60 million deaths. Hitler’s lead to 3-6 million. Both are utterly evil but I had to rank them so Stalin came first.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:30 am
okay. i just sat here for over an hour, reading all the comments so i wouldn’t be accused of not reading everything when i commented. first of all, i agree with please think’s comment:
“Bush doesn’t even have the power to kill people at Stailin/Hitler’s scale even if he wanted to. Would he have out-eviled Stalin/Hitler if he had that much power? Who knows, but I bet there are tons of people who would be just as evil or worse as the people on that list but simply didn’t have power. The list is more like the “top 10 most powerful people in the world who are also evil”, which is a good list, but doesn’t fit with these arguments.”
i like the list, and agree with most of the people you chose, jfrater.
loose canon, i think that in your comments you have been rude to some other commenters. yes, we’re all allowed to express what we want to, but just because someone disagrees with you or what you think is the standard of sanity doesn’t mean they are insane.
i agree with simon templar when he said you are bigoted. you use sarcasm to make a statement when it isn’t necessary. you call people crazy with no reason to back up your ‘diagnosis’ other than their disagreement with you and your ideals. i find that upsetting and dissettling.
again, i’ll look at what please think said:
“Bush doesn’t even have the power to kill people at Stailin/Hitler’s scale even if he wanted to. Would he have out-eviled Stalin/Hitler if he had that much power?”
we don’t know the answer to that question, because he, thankfully, doesn’t have that power. i implore you to, please, think about what you say and what you write. don’t be sarcastic if it’s uncalled for. this could be a friendly debate, or you could turn it into something much more ugly just by the wrong choice of words or tone. and tone is something that is sometimes hard to get across online, so word choice becomes even more important.~
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 am
also, to gopal (though he hasn’t come back since his first post), i didn’t know that about churchill. that’s interesting, and i’ll be sure to remember it.~
November 2nd, 2007 at 6:11 am
kitkat i think that in your comments you have been rude to some other commenters. yes, we’re all allowed to express what we want to, but just because someone disagrees with you or what you think is the standard of sanity doesn’t mean they are insane.
Kitkat, let me explain my point of view to you as clear as I can: Bush HAS the authority to designate anyone he wants as a enemy combatant. He could, if he wanted to, ship anyone he wanted to Gitmo. This is backed by Supreme Court decisions going back to the US Civil War. The idea that we don’t know how evil Bush/Cheney/Rove would be if given the power is wrong, they already have it and it would be fully constitutional.
FDR sent over 100,000 Japanese-Americans to interment camps during WWII, but you don’t see him on the list, now do you?
The fact that hundreds of thousands of critics of Bush and co. are walking the streets and even making movies that disagree with Bush is proof that he isn’t the most evil.
The fact that we can have this conversation, in a public-cyber place, fully accessible by anyone anywhere, is also proof that Bush/Rove/Cheney aren’t the most evil.
Anyone who continues along this argument, that Bush/Cheney/Rove are the most ‘EVIL’, must be a nut with very serious mental problems. OR, they’re incredibly ignorant.
You can express any opinion you like: Bigfoot stole your supper, Aliens monitor your anus from the moon, or that Cheney is Bambi next to Stalin. That doesn’t make your argument sane or rational.
You’re ‘right’ to express your opinion doesn’t negate my ‘right’ to express mine, Kitkat.
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:08 am
loose canon: i wasn’t saying that you can’t voice your opinion, and i wasn’t saying that i think bush should be on the list. to be honest, i don’t think he should. jfrater made a point in the posts that “I think we need to let history play out and then make our decisions. Bush has only been president for a short time and people are so emotional about him that we haven’t had time to look back and make a qualified statement one way or the other.” i think this is a good point. we don’t know all the effects bush’s administration will have, so we need to wait.
“FDR sent over 100,000 Japanese-Americans to interment camps during WWII, but you don’t see him on the list, now do you?”
fdr signed the documnets because most of the country was afraid after the attack on pearl harbor. after 9-11, many were, and still are, afraid of muslims and middle-eastern cultures. bush can’t do what fdr did, because it has been realised as wrong. congress wouldn’t send the bill through to bush, and bush can’t just declare it.
“Bush HAS the authority to designate anyone he wants as a enemy combatant. He could, if he wanted to, ship anyone he wanted to Gitmo.”
…well, i can see this as plausible. i don’t think we’ll be going anywhere too far from iraq, but he did start a war by himself. going into iraq was a ‘police’ movement. and he waited for an opportunity to turn it into war. is it even considered a war against the country yet? as far as i know, it’s a war against the idea of terrorism.
i don’t mean to offend, and i’m sorry if i did. i wasn’t saying you can’t call people crazy, but you should consider what you say and the feelings of those that you’re saying it to.~
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:17 am
“a war against the country yet? as far as i know, it’s a war against the idea of terrorism.”
In name- seems like it’s just creating more animosity and more would be terrorists- but it’s making Bush and friends even richer, so that’s some comfort at least…
I used to think the war was a regrettable but necessary thing, but… no. The people we’re killing are just the normal people, like all wars I guess. Anyone seen that bit in Fahrenheit 9/11 (It’s taken from another film) where they’re interviewing some soldier, and that bit with the Iraqi guy holding up most of a baby, next to a big pile of bodies from us bombing them?
I really don’t see how we’re helping. And us Brits are hypocritical as hell- saying the war was to get rid of Saddam then having that visit from that Saudi king? We’re the friends of these evil people up to the point were our leaders stop getting money from them.
EDIT: For the record, I don’t reckon Bush should be in the top ten (yet…in the future, who knows?)
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 am
War is definitely needed at times, against a definable enemy like Germany in WW2. The problem with “the war on terrorism”, or any ideologically war like the “war on drugs”, is there is no identifiable defined enemy, so then you can’t win it.
Instead we should be working on redefining our foreign policy to reduce tensions with would be terrorists and listen to their complaints. I don’t mean appeasement, but our brash presence abroad only causes more anger and swells their ranks. They attack us for our foreign policy, not because they hate our freedom like some claim. Although to be fair, there are some radical terrorists that its simply a religious thing that won’t be complete until all people are their religion.
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:48 am
Yeah, the radicals who actively try to kill innocents deserve all they get.
WW2, yeah something needed to be done- but war? Like in Iraq, it’s not the “bad guys” who take the brunt of the war, it’s the people. Y’know, WW2 was still just some blokes given guns and told to fight against another load of blokes given guns and told to fight.
Maybe it was necessary, I can’t pretend to have all the answers (I say there should be an alternative yet I can’t think of a viable alternative, so I dunno), but it was still pretty bad.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:28 pm
well id say that was the simplest explaination ive ever seen for the summation of WW2
November 3rd, 2007 at 7:39 pm
KitKat- bush can’t do what fdr did, because it has been realised as wrong. congress wouldn’t send the bill through to bush, and bush can’t just declare it.
Yea, actually he could.
If you would look up your history, you would see FDR signed Executive Order Number 9066. EO’s don’t require Congressional approval. FDR sent over 100,000 Japanese Americans to interment camps and Bush could do the exact same thing if he wanted to, wrong or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
i don’t think we’ll be going anywhere too far from iraq, but he did start a war by himself.
You mean other then the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq Congressional approval he received? Or do you mean other then the 21 OTHER nations that took part?
Yeah, other then that he was ALL alone!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_force_in_Iraq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Resolution_to_Authorize_the_Use_of_United_States_Armed_Forces_Against_Iraq
i don’t mean to offend, and i’m sorry if i did. i wasn’t saying you can’t call people crazy, but you should consider what you say and the feelings of those that you’re saying it to.~
You didn’t ‘offend’ me, but before you make such sweeping statements about history, as you’ve made here, you should educate yourself a bit.
And let me be clear: I’m not name calling. I sincerely think that if anyone can accuse Bush/Rove/Cheney of being one of the most ‘EVIL’ men alive, if not *THE MOST*, they should seek mental treatment. They obviously are suffering from some hysterical delusion and should seek help.
November 3rd, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Hobolad – but war? Like in Iraq, it’s not the “bad guys” who take the brunt of the war, it’s the people. Y’know, WW2 was still just some blokes given guns and told to fight against another load of blokes given guns and told to fight.
Maybe we should attempt the Neville Chamberlain school of diplomacy. You know, give in, give in, and give in, until you have nothing left.
I always find it fascinating when the people who are against war seem to leave out the term ‘JUSTICE’ from their arguments. I wonder why?
November 3rd, 2007 at 7:57 pm
Hobolad – but it’s making Bush and friends even richer, so that’s some comfort at least…
Specifically, how is it making Bush richer, as you claim? You do realize that the Executive Branch members are required, by law, to put their investments into ‘Blind Trusts’ and are also required to file notice with the US Office of Government Ethics if they receive any special treatment or other reward for policy?
November 4th, 2007 at 9:05 pm
loose cannon: i would like to say that you make all your references to wikipedia. wikipedia is not the most reliable source.
i did look up some informations about sending the japanese-americans to internment camps. on friday i found a source that, to my understanding, said congress passed the law on to fdr, who signed it. i may have misunderstood, but the source i found tonight: http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/american_historical_documents_1942_executive_order_9066_japanese_relocation_order – says that fdr signed it first, and that congress put it into law over a month later. if congress had voted it down, it wouldn’t have happened. but people were pressuring the government to pass the law. there were economic factors and nativist motives involved. fdr did not and could not have decided to pass that law on his own.
when i said bush started the war all on his own, i meant he STARTED it. if he hadn’t ordered troops in on a ‘police operation’ or whatever for things that weren’t there, we wouldn’t be doing what we’re doing. this is a war for oil. not to liberate the people, not to stop horrible people. to secure our oil supply. i’m not saying that saddam hussein wasn’t a horrible person, he was. but that wasn’t bush’s motivation. it was oil. if we had just gone into afgahnastan to find osama bin ladin, who is the initiator of the attack on new york, i really wouldn’t care as much. but i haven’t heard a word about him or afgahnastan in a very long time.
and maybe that’s my fault for not having cable or sattelite. for not reading news articles online. for not spending time looking for a reason to believe bush. maybe it’s my fault for having parents who lean strongly against bush. i think we all develop our political views based on our parents’. not to say everyone takes the same side as their parents, but certainly they had an influence on their decisions. but this is all besides the point.
and in light of your denial of name calling, i would like to ask if you have a degree in psychology. you don’t know these people, you only know one small aspect of them: that they dislike bush and impulsively made a comment about him being a terrible person. people do that sort of thing all the time. when someone does something to make you angry, do you say you hate them? i think a lot of teenagers have said or thought that about their parents, and nearly everyone has said or thought it about SOMEONE. not everyone means it, and not everyone thinks about what they are saying or doing. particualarly online, where next to no one knows who they are.
it’s perfectly fine for you to think that they’re crazy, plenty of people think that about other people as well, but is it kind or polite to say so to them? is it fair to suggest they get mental help based on one or two comments about a very touchy political subject?~
November 4th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
Loose_Cannon You said “Anyone who continues along this argument, that Bush/Cheney/Rove are the most ‘EVIL’, must be a nut with very serious mental problems. OR, they’re incredibly ignorant.” You are the only poster on this topic who has brought up Karl Rove whatsoever, and you have mentioned him six times now. I will leave the other posters to consider the implications of this as I must decline to watch more straw men being set up and destroyed.
November 4th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Mathilda – You are the only poster on this topic who has brought up Karl Rove whatsoever.
Huh? Many people on the left use this group interchangeably. Cheney is this, Bush is that, Rove is another, blah, blah. I was simply stringing them together to keep the conversation straight.
This is just – well – weak. This your best reply?
November 4th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
Loose_Cannon – Actually, yes. As I have just pointed out the fact that you are apparently arguing with “many people on the left” who are not posting on this topic I really do not have anything else to say to you. I’ll stick with responding to people who are replying to comments posted here, thank you.
November 4th, 2007 at 10:46 pm
kitkat -i may have misunderstood, but the source i found tonight – http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/american_historical_documents_1942_executive_order_9066_japanese_relocation_order – says that fdr signed it first, and that congress put it into law over a month later.
Let me see if I can’t explain this a little better: Congress passes a bill, the President signs it, it becomes law. Not the other way around. Executive Orders are a means for the President to execute his authority as Commander-in-Chief and the Executive Branch. You’re only source for this is a web blog that lists an out-of-date book from almost 20 years ago.
As Commander of the Armed Services of America, the President could execute an EO without Congressional approval and in fact Presidents do this all the time.
You’re wrong. Bush could, as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Services, and as *THE* Executive Branch, do as FDR once did, and round up people he deemed a threat to national security.
i think a lot of teenagers have said or thought that about their parents, and nearly everyone has said or thought it about SOMEONE. not everyone means it, and not everyone thinks about what they are saying or doing. particualarly online, where next to no one knows who they are.
That’s exactly my point. It’s emo, pussy BS. It’s *EXACTLY* what you would expect from a spoiled teenager who didn’t get their way. It’s not logical or rational, it’s emotional and hysterical.
And I would say the same exact thing if someone came here accusing Clinton, or Carter, or Reagan, or Nixon as the *MOST EVIL* men ever. This is not a political debate, per se. It’s a ‘CHILDISH, EMOTIONAL, HYSTERICAL’ debate.
This is why political discourse in this country has deteriorate to such a degree. While one side is trying to have a rational, thoughtful, meaningful debate, the other side is yelling *NAZI*, *DEVIL*, or *HITLER*.
and in light of your denial of name calling, i would like to ask if you have a degree in psychology.
Why would I need a psychology degree to point out the obvious? If someone mentions that their butt is being monitored by aliens on Mars or that the CIA is reading their thoughts from Langley, it’s pretty obvious that they are crazy. Same for the people who would call Bush one of the *MOST EVIL*. Or Clinton, or Reagan, or their parents.
November 4th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
kitkat – is it fair to suggest they get mental help based on one or two comments about a very touchy political subject?
Is it fair? Absolutely! And it’s factual.
I said it in several posts here; if anyone truly believes that BUSH or CHENEY or Clinton or Reagan (I’ll leave Rove out, since it seems to raise Mathilda’s blood pressure a couple of points when I mention him) are the most evil, then I am sincere in stating they should seek mental treatment.
I don’t believe this be a political issue, but simply a matter of mental health. If you’re a grown, mature, educated individual and you can look at this list and say “Nay, Bush is much more evil then these guys”, then yeah, you should seek mental treatment cause you’re nuts.
November 4th, 2007 at 11:41 pm
kitkat – this is a war for oil. not to liberate the people, not to stop horrible people. to secure our oil supply…blah, blah, blah
You kinda trailed off there, Kitkat. You are under the impression that I care what you think about the war in Iraq. Let me assure you I don’t.
This conversation is about your misstatement. You distinctly said “(H)e did start a war by himself.”
You are factually wrong. He had the support of Congress and the support of the American public. Furthermore, our country wasn’t the only country. There were 21 other nations that took part.
You decided to restate your opinion from a ‘he did it’ to a ‘he started it’, then trail off into ‘war for oil’, yada, yada, yada.
This thread is about *THE MOST EVIL MEN*. If you’re looking for emotional support on your view of the war I would suggest you try the DU forums. You’ll find plenty of people who will agree with you and provide you the emotional support you are desperately seeking.
November 5th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
loose cannon:
“if anyone truly believes that BUSH or CHENEY or Clinton or Reagan (I’ll leave Rove out, since it seems to raise Mathilda’s blood pressure a couple of points when I mention him)…”
“This is not a political debate, per se. It’s a ‘CHILDISH, EMOTIONAL, HYSTERICAL’ debate.”
you are trying to pick a fight with people, plain and simple. the remark about not mentioning rove was completely unnecessary. you are being just as childish as some of the other people by commenting like that. there’s no reason and no sense to it except to make other’s angry or upset. you are being just as much a whiney teenager by calling people crazy and stupid.
and bush did initiate the war. bush put us there, waiting for a reason to make it such. he secured support for when it would happen, but it wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t sent us in.~
November 6th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
To Loose_Cannon:
I DID have sex with Aliens! (it’s wierd what they do to you!)
I DID shake Bigfoot’s hand!
And I DID eat dinner with Elvis last night! (at appleby’s!)
And Im telling YOU that Bush is a naughty boy, Cheney is and even naughtier boy, and they should be on this list.
Yes, Hitler may have been involved with the Holocaust. But, Bush has his own Holocaust. The Holocaust of the Ozone Layer. He is pulling a genocide on the enviroment by not joining other countries on the Kyoto Protocal.
Global Warming is upon us!
I DONT WANNA GO TO THE MENTAL INSTITUTION MOMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 7th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Why create a list that rates the “most evil of all time”? In its creation does it not say that we will honor your evil by continued reference? Why not make a list of the nicest people in history? Not one comes to mind does it? Thats because we are raised and taught to remember the darker aspects of our society. Face it folks we’re all evil we just like to point out and list the worst amoung us so we don’t feel so bad about ourselves. Now feel free to continue your little political battle. Seriously who gives a shit whos in office gas prices will still stand at $3.00 tomorrow.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
CHAINSAW: my personal reasons for doing so are that they make for more controversial and interesting lists for the readers on the site – I guess it is similar to the way press never reports nice news. Having said that, I have done lists of great inventions and the wonders of the world – not all lists here are evil
November 8th, 2007 at 6:47 am
Leopold 3 million people? I’ve usually heard 8 million, and that’s conservative. Personally I think ranking evil is an anti-humanist pursuit.
Having said that, if you want to be utilitarian about it,(and you’ve have to include a lot of criteria for analysis) I’d think Leopold would be higher on the list. Considering also that when the ‘Kongo Free State’ ceased to exist they left behind a single person with a college education (compare that to British colonies), and today Congo, Rwanda and other formally Belgian colonized nations are festering wounds of Colonization. 4 Million people died in the Second Congo War, I don’t know how many were slaughtered in Rwanda, and today the Congo is still one of the largest humanitarian crises on the planet, I’d say the legacy of Leopold’s evil should not be played down.
Furthermore, as someone who has been to Cambodia, seen Tol Slong and the Killing Fields, I’d like to point out the level of ambiguity over the numbers dead. The most serious and rigorous analyses have come to a number far lower than 2 million. I don’t think that diminishes the suffering of the country, or the evil of Pol Pot, but if you were to use numbers killed as a barometer, Pol Pot would be behind Leopold, even on your numbers, with 3 million to Leopold’s name 2 million to Brother number 1.
Lastly, a really crucial point: Where is Mao?? The Great Leap forward left over 30 million starved to death. I wouldn’t take the time to say this, but when you make a list like this you better subject the entries to some scrutiny.
November 9th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Can’t believe a single Pope didn’t make it. Ok, so maybe they didn’t individually amass a body count to equal your ‘ten dinner guests to die for’ but then their god must take the blame. Now I come to think of it – yes GOD – be him muslim, christian or god of the fairies at the bottom of the garden – he, it? whatever – should surely be No1 for never have so many died, or suffer so much at the hands, thoughts or will of one man!
November 12th, 2007 at 9:24 am
Judas should be on the list as well. People will try to fall back on the idea his actions were inherent and he had not choice, but his plight is one of paradox which is stated both ways in the Bible….every man has a choice…yet it was predistined.
I highly doubt Judas went to heaven and I especially doubt he was Jesus’ most trusted disciple since his motives for coming and his greed showed itself before he decided to commit the crime.
I guess where you left is quantity vs. severity.
Judas only killed one man…but that one man is God…quite tough.
November 14th, 2007 at 11:20 pm
this is cool but i think idi amin of ugandan should be on that list
November 15th, 2007 at 12:53 am
destiny: You are not the first to mention him. Taking the comments in to account, I have updated the ordering of the list and have added Amin in position number 7.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
if you guys think bush is evil, then you are retarded, hes not hte best but he sure as hell didnt kill millions of people,so u cant even compare them. god and i thought bush was dumb
November 19th, 2007 at 8:44 am
what about bob knight?
November 22nd, 2007 at 3:27 pm
khomeini is an inspriration/ a saint to millions of muslims worldwide till today, while the people in the rest of the list arent an inspiration to anyone- its an unfair blasphemy to a good man- kindly correct it.
November 27th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
Why do you people keep talking Bush? If he is evil, then do not worry! His “empire of balefulness” will end soon; after all, he is just a president, and presidents are not perpetual rulez of a nation.
I just need to make a quick question, and I need someone to answer it for me, please. One of my uncles told me that I can expect to see Mayan emperors, and Roman emperors on a list of most evil men in History; but, if they’re not in the top ten, then, where can they be spotted at?
November 27th, 2007 at 11:21 pm
Jigga, millions of people, past and present, have been inspired by Hitler. Should he be taken off the list as well. If Germany had won WWII he would also be seen as a “good man”, just as you describe khomeini. Taking into account on both men’s views on Jews, they probably would of been good friends.
November 27th, 2007 at 11:28 pm
and in reply to Xay Xay…
I’m an agnostic but if I were to presume that the bible was fact, then it would seem to me that Judas was responsible for death of Jesus, one man. Was not Jesus born with the sole intention of being sacrificed? If so, then Judas was only doing his role in ensuring that God’s master plan would unfold. Seems to me Judas got the short end of the stick.
I was raised Catholic and have read the bible from front to back, so I do have some backround knowledge and am not speaking out of my asshole. Cheers!
November 28th, 2007 at 3:47 am
khomeini is a God man. You don’t know him. Ask about him from who has seen him in Jamaran then talk about him!
November 28th, 2007 at 3:57 am
Soha: I don’t understand how you can consider a man who ordered the execution of his political opponents to not be an evil man? The only possible way you could consider this okay is if you believe that people who oppose Islamist regimes should be murdered.
November 28th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
I agree with those who said British ,french, dutch,spanish and portugeese rulers during the colonization period were the most evil men and women in history.They opressed and killed millions of poor nations in africa and asia ,and robbed thier countries for years and years ,ended only after world war 2,after they realise that oppression is evil.so thanks to Hitler for making them feel the pain of oppression and occupation of ones country by an invader.
November 28th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
such an ignorant statement, motsu. If my great great grandfather was a slave trader should me and my family be murdered? He wasn’t really a slave trader, but im just saying…
December 1st, 2007 at 9:53 am
Loose Cannon: two words for you, WAKE UP!
December 1st, 2007 at 9:57 am
Bush is not Evil, he is just stupid.
December 1st, 2007 at 9:57 am
Loose Cannon, what you don’t understand is that we stay here because this is our country and our government is supposed to WORK FOR US. But, I have a feeling you won’t be able to digest that. The problem with our current administration is that they do what they want, not what we, as the people, want. We stay because we can only hope that in 2008, our dictators will be out of office!
December 1st, 2007 at 10:30 am
I agree that Bush and Cheney don’t deserve a place on this list, as these ten have truly brutalized and terrorized in a much more violent and menacing way.
Loose Cannon, you are an instigator. Yes, Cheney was mentioned in the first comment, but it was a rather benign statement which you answered with “Here they come; The Bush/Cheney/Rove-Haters! With their view of evil so skewed, they will hysterically compare legendary evil people who killed millions, like Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin to liberating millions from Iraq and Afghanistan.” You immediately go on the defensive attack, clearly showing that no matter what points may be brought up, anyone who is against these men is clearly unbalanced and in need of help. Psychologically, the more defensive someone is, the more they fear they will be proven wrong.
People all around the world hate America and Americans, and its really not the liberals they are complaining about (except maybe in countries who fear the ideas in our Bill of Rights may infect their own people). They may have laughed at Clinton, but they are crying over Bush.
December 7th, 2007 at 6:26 am
I suppose its wishful thinking to hope there’ll never be an updated list with brand new people.
Love the site [&hopelessly addicted!], especially the history lists.
December 7th, 2007 at 6:39 am
nicci: not in my lifetime I hope! And thanks for the compliment
December 7th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
“The selection of this list is based not upon death tolls, but upon the general actions, and impact, or brutality of the people. From bad to worst, here are the top 10 evil men in history.”
According to this Vlad III should be on the top place and not Stalin. By the way where is Joseph Mengele, or this list is only for leaders.
Hitler was far more cruel than Stalin.
December 9th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Where is Columbus? He killed more people than Pol Pot and Idi Amin by far…
December 15th, 2007 at 11:53 am
Where is Margaret Thatcher she destroyed 10’s of 1000′of lives’+towns and villages when she closed the coal mines.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
I love seeing the little snipes people make about my previous statements from months ago. It fills me with joy to think someone was so profoundly perturbed by it they feel the need to address it months later:
aplspud -You immediately go on the defensive attack, clearly showing that no matter what points may be brought up, anyone who is against these men is clearly unbalanced and in need of help.
Not true. I clearly state what you yourself said in your first line: “Bush and Cheney don’t deserve a place on this list.” From that point, which we can both agree to, I simply state a sane and educated person couldn’t possibly make a comparison to Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot.
I don’t say ANYWHERE that you have to like Bush or Cheney. I don’t say anywhere that you have to AGREE with Bush or Cheney.
Rae – WAKE UP!
Wide awake, thank you very much. But Bush and Cheney still don’t deserve to be on this list.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
Brian – Where is Margaret Thatcher she destroyed 10’s of 1000′of lives’+towns and villages when she closed the coal mines.
Maybe because this is a list of the ‘Top 10 Most Evil MEN‘ and Margaret Thatcher is a woman.
Or, it could simply be that she wasn’t evil enough to out match Stalin, Pol Pot, or Hitler.
Also, specifically, how were these lives ‘DESTROYED’? Did they all die at once? Were none of them able to find other jobs?
Maybe we should have kept the Horse-Buggy industry and mechanical manual typewriter industry going to avoid ‘destroying 10’s of 1000’s of lives’ too!
December 17th, 2007 at 8:34 am
…I LOVE JESUS!!! WHOOT WHOOT!!! Lol, evil people hm? I believe everyone has an inner evil of some type, like we ALL have our own secrets and our own type of darkness…to me though, only Christ can snuff out that darkness and bring in the light!! Merry CHRISTmas!!!!
December 23rd, 2007 at 6:12 am
Jesus it’s people like Loose Cannon who just love to shove their so-called “intelligence” in other’s faces like they havd some kind of f*ckin PhD in f*ckin whatever. has it ever occurred to you, o mighty egghead, that people have different definitions of evil? it doesn’t always have to mean who killed the most, how many millions, etc. people are going to cite bush or cheney or whatever for being evil, but not necessarily because they did things in league with stalin and hitler. jesus christ, stop acting like you know so f*cking much that you just can’t wait to grab on to every single comment on here that’s said *something* about your dear ol’ bush. and by the way, for someone who so sarcastically comments on those still remarking on your old posts, it certainly hasn’t stopped your loud egotistical butt from trolling on here as well. so fly off wikipedia worm, and stop being such a damn know-it-all, in-your-face loud mouth!
December 28th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
I haven’t read all the comments above, but I read a discussion about including Bush. Why not? I’m sure he’d make the top 100 any day, if not the top 10.
The point about ‘liberating people’ in Iraq and Afghanistan shows how ignorant the world is on issues of these countries. Literally hundreds of thousands of CIVILIONS have been killed in Afghanistan, and Iraq is going through Civil War, and Bush is to blame. Thanks.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
V. interesting list..
But just a thought, seeing as you had begun to discuss evil….
Would a person being considered for such a crown as ‘most evil’ not have to show some slightly more involved participation in their atrocities than some of the listed? I mean the decisions of leaders disconnected from the reality of those lives affected by them cannot be as evil as a man who enjoys the act of torturing and maiming with his own hands? Your ‘10 most evil women’ list definitely takes into account a more ‘hands on’ approach?
just a thought.
Also, cannot accept the Iranian leader surpasses the likes of say
Caligula
Dr Mengeles….very evil…very hands on…
Nero (as already pointed out)
Anyone invovled in religious punishments in the 14th century?… the flaying alive of heritics was left to a special type of person…and again, who is more evil, the man who orders the torture or the torturer?
And just to be contensious…are executioners more evil than those who go to watch?
January 7th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Quote Gadzooks-
“Jesus it’s people like Loose Cannon who just love to shove their so-called “intelligence” in other’s faces like they havd some kind of f*ckin PhD in f*ckin whatever. has it ever occurred to you, o mighty egghead, that people have different definitions of evil? it doesn’t always have to mean who killed the most, how many millions, etc. people are going to cite bush or cheney or whatever for being evil, but not necessarily because they did things in league with stalin and hitler. jesus christ, stop acting like you know so f*cking much that you just can’t wait to grab on to every single comment on here that’s said *something* about your dear ol’ bush. and by the way, for someone who so sarcastically comments on those still remarking on your old posts, it certainly hasn’t stopped your loud egotistical butt from trolling on here as well. so fly off wikipedia worm, and stop being such a damn know-it-all, in-your-face loud mouth!”
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SAYING WHAT NEEDED TO BE SAID. I’m sure he’ll come back again with another smart ass remark.
P.S. Who said anything about bigfoot, alien anal probes, etc? Do you think anyone who isn’t a dumbass republican is into all those conspiracy theories? You are windier than a sack full of farts.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Alex – P.S. Who said anything about bigfoot, alien anal probes, etc?
I did.
Comparing Bush/Cheney/Clinton, etc, to Hitler/Pol Pot/Stalin is as sure sign of mental illness, as believing in alien anal probes, Bigfoot, etc.
What part of that comparison confuses you, Alex?
Do you think anyone who isn’t a dumbass republican is into all those conspiracy theories?
No, anyone who would compare Bush/Cheney/Clinton to Hitler/Pol Pot/Stalin is certainly as ignorant and/or insane as someone who would believe in those conspiracy theories.
You are windier than a sack full of farts.
And you really need to pay closer attention to what you read.
Alex, like most people in this thread, perhaps even yourself, I don’t believe Bush or Cheney or Clinton belong on this list.
People like you and Gadzooks are so hysterical and emotional about your hatred for Republicans, which I am not one, and Bush/Cheney/Rove, that anyone who simply points out the logical truth is labeled a heretic and a Republican.
It is a never-ending source of amusement for me to watch all you hysterical, emo-fueled ‘Chicken Little’s’ attempt to insult me over something that we essentially agree on; That Bush/Cheney/Clinton don’t belong on this!
Alex, Gadzoks – Please post more!
January 8th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
“Alex, like most people in this thread, perhaps even yourself, I don’t believe Bush or Cheney or Clinton belong on this list.”
Loose Cannon, not once in my first post did I say that Bush or Cheney should be on this list. You are automatically being defensive over something I didn’t even say! I do in fact agree with you that even though they are very bad men, they don’t belong on this list.
And as I predicted in my first post, you came back and posted some more smart ass remarks. So I now know that no matter what I say, you’re always going to come back with more smart ass remarks. (AS HOW YOU’VE BEEN DOING WITH ALL OF YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS) I know that inside your head, you are going to be right no matter what! So I’m just going to accept the fact that you are just lost in your own little world of defending whatever you are defending by quoting everybody and then posting your smart ass comments.
So having said that, this will be my last post. I’m not going to feed your fire by arguing back at you. You mean nothing to me and judging by all of your previous posts, I want nothing to do with you. It seems that judging by all of your previous posts, you are living a sad and lonely life.
So keep on posting. The more you post, the smaller your balls must be.
P.S. Who got beat as a child?
“I did.” ~Loose Cannon
January 9th, 2008 at 6:59 am
Alex – P.S. Who got beat as a child?
Wow. I am extremely humbled by your reply. I just don’t know what to say.
I especially like how you took my answer to your previous question, then asked another question, and used my reply to answer THAT previous question. Especially on the subject of child abuse. That’s comedy gold, right there. I can’t think of anything funnier or more mature. You are a fine example of the people who have argued with me here. I can only wish that more people follow your fine example when discussing this topic on this forum.
And all over a subject we both agree on! Nothing says intellect like arguing over a premise we both agree on.
Have a great day, Alex!
January 9th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
ive been looking on this sight for a while and have been suprised by some peoples comments.
This loose cannon guy never shuts up and needs to shut DOWN his computer. Take a rest. Think about how ANGRY teenagers make him and how hes just a fucking loose CANNON BABY! READY TO BLOW! WOO HOOOO! YEAH!
come on dude. Your aiming your cannon balls at all the wrong. Heres a guy (john madden) who checks him email everyday to see if hes got a response from a 13 year old kid from wyoming.
heres a guy who instigates. who gets up at 7 in the damn morning to comment on every damn list and back talk anyone who says anything TOOO RADICALLLL! WUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH!!!!!!!!!
“Have a great day, Alex!”
you think your professional (i sure as hell am not) but you still tell people to “have a great day” after you completley obliterate them and there comments.
“That’s comedy gold, right there. I can’t think of anything funnier or more mature. You are a fine example of the people who have argued with me here. I can only wish that more people follow your fine example when discussing this topic on this forum.”
why (if you sre not an intigator) would you say that?
lets look at the first sentence shall we?
“i cant think of anything funnier or more mature”
you put funny and mature in the same sentence, they just dont go together especially when your trying to make a point.
you just make people pissed by doing that, you “oxymoronic genius.”
January 10th, 2008 at 7:15 am
Max – who gets up at 7 in the damn morning to comment on every damn list and back talk anyone who says anything TOOO RADICALLLL!
You got me, Max. I get up every morning for work and, in the process of drinking my coffee and checking my email, I respond to this forum! Oh, the horror of it!
I find it hilarious that I am the subject of your anger because I suggested anyone who thinks Bush and Cheney should be on this list is either mentally ill or ignorant. And every response to me on this forum sounds like it came from a certified mental patient who didn’t take his Xanax that day, including yours.
But kudos to you for insinuating that Alex is a 13 year old from Wyoming. That’s pretty funny.
Here’s the thing, Max: I don’t really care if I piss people off. None of you, Gadzooks, Alex, or yourself, can discuss the topic of this forum because you know I’m right and the majority here agree with me.
So, the only thing you can do is attempt, very poorly, to insult me.
Very amusing. Please write again!
Have a great day!
January 10th, 2008 at 7:41 am
At least Loose Cannon can spell, use punctuation and grammar. Max might have had a valid point, but I’m not sure because I couldn’t understand what he was trying to say with all the nin-com-poopery in his post.
If you’re having problems, write it in Word first, check the spelling and grammar and get back to us later. Besides, Loose Cannon is smarter, funnier and ‘righter’ than you are Max.
January 10th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Oops, I posted this a little early. I should have waited half a day. Sorry dude.
January 12th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Motsu I agree with what you said.Good list to whoever created this. I would of liked if they added Mao Zedong and Christopher Columbus.
January 14th, 2008 at 6:57 am
SpidaPig – I would of liked if they added Mao Zedong and Christopher Columbus.
I’m curious why you would nominate Columbus, Spidapig. What offenses do you consider he committed were the most evil?
January 15th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Well, this has been going on for a while. Does anyone have list by numbers? Mao, Stalin, and Hitler would all have to be near the top. I believe the Japanese killed nearly five million Chinese in the 30’s/40’s. Not sure that any one person is responsible for that. Anyway, thank you for the list. It does cause one to wonder if government itself is the root cause.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:22 am
JasonR – I believe the Japanese killed nearly five million Chinese in the 30’s/40’s. Not sure that any one person is responsible for that.
Good comments, Jason. And I agree that the Japanese aggression, especially in places such as Nanking and Manila, was evil. Historian Chalmers Johnson has written that:
The Germans killed six million Jews and 20 million Russians [i.e. Soviet citizens]; the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese.
That is real evil.
January 17th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
It’s mind boggling to me that I feel the need to post this, but I’m going to anyway…
Okay, so to start, I’m relatively new here at ListVerse, and I have to say that I find these debates most entertaining, especially the ones I have an opinion on, like the ongoing Bush debate here. However, I would just like to agree with whoever said that posters should use word to spell check. I find myself much more sympathetic to Loose Cannon, mainly due to the fact that Loose Cannon does not use IM slang or improper english.
I also find it terribly amusing that we feel the need to argue over something like this at all. And that an argument can go on as long as this has completely astounds me. You have to think that at some point, we would all just lose interest, but that hasn’t seemed to happen.
So, I would just like to thank you all for an entertaining evening, and tell Loose Cannon that I admire him for his persistance in arguing. I don’t think I would have kept up with it for this long. Good for you for standing up for what you believe in.
January 17th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Darn it. Negated my own comment by using improper grammer.
January 18th, 2008 at 6:51 am
Shakespeare’s Girl – So, I would just like to thank you all for an entertaining evening, and tell Loose Cannon that I admire him for his persistance in arguing.
Thank you, S. Girl, for taking the time to read all the comments, especially mine, and posting your intelligent and informed opinion about them.
I think we have a real problem in our society today when it comes to rational political dialog. Many of us can see that while we disagree with the current administration on many issues, it’s hardly one of the most evil in history. But as long as one segment of society is screeching ‘Cheney makes Stalin look like Bambi’ there’s never going to be a logical, intelligent debate on the truly most evil people in history and that’s unfortunate because this is a really good and worthwhile discussion.
It’s unfortunate that many of the people who disagreed with me on this forum felt the need to attack me personally. Insinuating that I was abused as a child or that I manically rush to this forum everyday to debate this topic with children is sign of the decline in logically debating politics. I only hope that I showed that I was rising above it.
Thanks, again, S. Girl.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
COnsidering that Bush’s grandpappy prescott helped finance hitler’s rise to power and used slave labor from concentration camps, then george senior spent his whole time as director of the cia assasinating and deposing democratically elected leaders to put in fascst religious zealots, and then george w pissed on th constitution and now has halliburton building concentration camps and rail cars full of shackles in the U.S., I don;t think that the bushes are too far off the top ten. That being said, our government was complicit in the repatriation and murder of over 2 millions russian soldiers after WWII, and we also facilitated communism’s takeover of half of the world, I don’t think anyone is really blameless.
January 18th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Loos cannon, you seem to have forgotten that 14 million of those russians died of starvaton and expsoure because stalin sent them to war without weapons or supplies, and that he then murdered 2 million of them who were anti-communist. And Columbus, Ortez and all of the so called “explorers” were all ethnocentric bigots, pirates, rapists, and murderers, that directly and indirectly led to the slaughter of tens of millions of people. Some people might consider that just a lil evil.
January 18th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
A million Iraqis and thousands of Americans dying so that Halliburton can get sweet contracts(which is the actual reason for the war) is a lil evil too. When someone usurps the biggest democracy in the world and turns it into a pillaging ground for business interests and the military industiral complex, that’s kind of a big deal too. And when he rigged an election to do it, well, that doesn’t help either. Ohhh yeah, and being that Cheney personally made millions because of the rise in Halliburton’s stock, and the bush’s made god knows how much from their oil companies because of sky-rocketing gas prices. Oh yea, then he cut the salaries and the benefits for the soldiers he pretends to give a shit about. Oh yeah, the patriot act was kind of the biggest monolithic abuse of federal power ever, destroying the bill of rights, removing the right of habeus corpus, allowing phone taps without warrants. He has basically put into place all the laws and procedures necessary to turn America into a police state if he so chooses, putting himself in charge of the military with no congressional oversight, essentially rendering himself defacto dictator. Allowing the biggest influx of illegal immigrants in history. Totally destroying the American economy and the value of the dollar. Cherry picking intel so that he can start a war that will empty the coffers of America directly into the pockets of big business. Turning America into the most hated country in America. Pardoning his crony so that he serves no time for breaking the law. Putting incompetent fools in every government position he can because they are down with his agenda(loyal bushies). Oh yeah, and defeating a non-partisan bill which was almost unanimously and unilaterally voted for by the entire congress, a bill that gives health care to children! He allowed the Bin-laden family(who the bush family jointly owns oil interests with) to escape the country the day after 911 without even being questioned. Man, what a great president! Is that enough to classify the administration as abject evil? Or would you like me to go on for a few more hours? P.S. this is all off the top of my head, if I actually sat down and researched I could probably right a freakin encyclopedia.
January 18th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
P.S. America probably isn’t the most hated country in America. lol what I meant to say was the world.
January 21st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Not a bad list, I was happy to see Joesith Stalin below Hitler as indeed as some may be aware I appose the Holocaust legend and revise that 6 million Jews were killed.
That aside perhaps the fact that we know Hitler never ordered the deaths of millions of Jews but did invade, much like every other country in the world has done at some point he should be brought down the scale.
I must admit I found the comment of millions of Iraq’s being liberated highly amusing, killed is perhaps a better term, I believe the death toll is now around 1.3 million as of January 2008.
Despite my comments I can understand that the creator of this list perhaps doesn’t wish to invite much critism by putting Hitler further down the list so I do not expect that by any means.
- Coder62
January 21st, 2008 at 6:22 pm
“Holocaust legend.” Now, that’s funny. No, it’s just sad. Really, really sad.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 am
Monkey Nuts,
I was wondering what that noise was under Michael Moore’s desk, now I know. Just keep ignoring the facts and continue on with your happy little ignorant life. Ignore the fact that congress was almost 100 percent behind the decision to go to war. Ignore the fact that Clinton didn’t arrest Bin Laden when the Sudanese government offered him to us. Ignore the reports that the war is actually starting to succeed. Ignore the fact that millions of Iraqi’s now have a chance at living a free life.
Just keep swallowing whatever that idiot Michael Moore says and someday you’ll be as bloated and smug as he is.
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:13 pm
B.L.
Whats sad is that you must believe the Nazis could creamte as eye witnesses state bettwen 5-7 minutes when modern technology takes 50 – 75 minutes for one body, some witnesses state they stuck as many as 8 corpses into one retort to signal allied air craft.
More sad perhaps is that I’m betting you will ignore that Auschwitz main gas chamber has no traces of cyanide and no blue staining left from heavy useage of Zyklon-B, however the delousing chambers have residue.
Perhaps I am sad because I disbelieve eye witness testmony, well in that case I am sorry that I disbelieve the, “fountains of blood” or how an SS officer shot a Jewish baby, “one in the eye and then once in the ear” afterwards he noticed its hand was still moving so shot it again.
Perhaps its not so sad now, read into the subject more and dont take things at face value, your choice.
- Coder62
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Coder62, eye witness statements aren’t very credible.
Bucslim, First off, I want to say that those jokes referencing to Michael Moore that made you look like an idiot republican were HILARIOUS!! LOL!!!!!!!!
Second, it looks like YOU are the one living in your happy little ignorant life of “staying the course” and “DEMOCRACY MEANS FREEDOM” and “Terrorists HATE FREEDOM!” and everything else President Bush says. Keep sucking the Bush dick, my friend!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:02 am
Coder62,
If six million Jews didn’t die, then pray tell, where are there?
Your reply shows just how sad it remains that people deny what occurred in the Holocaust.
I’ve done research and I know the truth. What you deny did happen and those people did die, simply because of their ethnicity and their beliefs.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:38 am
Loose Cannon: Your trolling of this thread since last September is bordering on obsessive. Please seek mental health treatment.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:24 am
Jerome C. Hunt – Your trolling of this thread since last September is bordering on obsessive. Please seek mental health treatment.
And yet another ad hominem argument?
Jerome, why not be original, like Monkey Nuts and post some drivel that Precott Bush ‘helped finance hitler’s rise to power’ with one solitary stock in UBC. OR how Cheney is making millions off of Halbuton stock, even though, as Factcheck.org pointed out, the only payments Cheney has received from his old employer were earned before he was Vice President?
Instead, like Max, Gadzooks, and Alex, you attack me!
Seriously, did some unannounced amnesty release take place for mentally unhinged individuals? Watching Coder62 and people like you, Jerome, it’s hard to believe that it didn’t.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 am
Loose Cannon: I just wanted to throw your flippant accusations of poor mental back at you. Comparing Bush & pals to Stalin or Hitler isn’t delusional, it’s just hyperbole. Let them rant and rave all they like. It only strengthens your position.
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:06 am
Amen, Jerome.
Lighten up, Loose Cannon. Get off the computer & get some fresh air.
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:13 am
Ahh, that should have read “your flippant accusations of poor mental(health)”
I guess I must be mentally unhinged. C’est la vie…
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:30 am
here is my (very humble) opinion:
loose cannon makes sense.
he’s kind of rude about it, but whatever, it’s the internet, he could be a whole hell of a lot ruder.
i personally do not understand what the big deal is. he’s right, the president does not belong on this list. (although i disagree that people who think otherwise need to seek mental help, although i do understand why he says that.)
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 am
wow – almost at the 200 comment mark on this one! I am impressed.
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:33 pm
jfrater – wow – almost at the 200 comment mark on this one! I am impressed.
Yes, but it’s unfortunate that so many have to do with what time I use the computer, how often I use the computer, any history of child abuse from my past and that I must be a troll on this forum if I’ve been posting since last September.
And all this from people who essentially agree with me!
You know, it’s the few hundred thousand nut jobs on the internet that give us sane people a bad name.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Loose Cannon, you just need to stay the course.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Nice site, very inetesting comments, Thanks
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Loose Cannon: it is impressive – I am quite pleased to see that some of the older lists are still garnering so much attention.
Oh – and: 200th post!
January 24th, 2008 at 7:01 am
Frank,
Contrary to what you might think, I’m not W.’s bitch. Just getting tired of the fact that just about every Dem/Liberal voted for the war, and now they want to ride the tide of the popular mindset against the war. They’re like some 7 year old who just broke the lamp and blames it on Larry Lampbreaker.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to sucking Bush’s dick. (at least I can find his, Michael Moore’s is probably hidden under a couple of fat rolls)
January 24th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Bucslim, maybe people are opposing the war because they are finding out that it is in fact an illegal invasion and no, there weren’t any weapons of mass destruction. Maybe even the fact that a bunch of people are dying! I guess you find it enjoyable to hear about American troops dying. Everyday
And what about Osama?!??!?!?! Why have we not captured Osama yet!?!??!?!? Don’t give me that bullshit “Duh…he’s hiding!” BULLSHIT.
Oh and you just contradicted yourself.
“Contrary to what you might think, I’m not W.’s bitch.”
“Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to sucking Bush’s dick.”
Watch Zeitgeist, you fucking closed minded Republican.
THINK….it’s not illegal yet.
January 24th, 2008 at 8:58 am
That’s fine you can call me close minded an all that, but you still haven’t spoken to anything I’ve pointed out. And I’m not any more of a contradiction than all of the Liberals trying to hide from their initial votes for the war. Instead of owing up to it, all you liberals want to do is bitch. I suppose you think Al Gore could have found Osama.
Yes, troops are dying, and that is a sad fact. That’s what happens in a war, it’s not a pillowfight. I happen to believe they are fighting for something worthwhile and they deserve all the support I can give them. And if it were up to you, Sadaam would still be torturing and murdering his own people.
Read Christopher Hitchens you closed minded Liberal.
January 24th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Frank – it is in fact an illegal invasion and no, there weren’t any weapons of mass destruction.
What exactly is a LEGAL invasion? One sanctioned by the UN? And what was the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq in 1990, was that a LEGAL?
What bothers me most about Franks’ line of thought is that Saddam is never mentioned as perhaps belonging on this list. Think about it; Saddam used WMD not only on his enemies, but on his own people. Saddam attacked 5 of his peaceful neighbors without provocation in the last 25 years. Saddam condoned mass torture, mass rape and mass killings.
Instead, the leader of the country that brought Saddam to justice should be included on this list? How twisted and depraved is that?
Frank, no one likes the thought of anyone dying. That somehow conservatives are rejoicing at the thought of more American deaths, is a typical hyperbole from you extreme leftists. This is exactly what makes your argument intolerant. You expect conservatives to tolerate your opposing view, but accuse them of enjoying the death of our troops.
Maybe before you accuse anyone of being ‘CLOSE-MINDED’ of other’s political views, maybe you should examine your own OPEN-MINDEDNESS.
January 24th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Dear Bucslim and Loose Cannon,
Please tell me what’s up with Osama. Please tell me where the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were.
Love,
Frank
P.S. The only thing Bush is, is a puppet. He’s a puppet for Dick Cheney, and Dick Cheney is a puppet for George H. W. Bush. We’re in Iraq for the oil, that’s all it boils down to.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Dear Frank,
Gosh, you were so close and then you spoiled it!! Whats with the ‘P.S. Dick Cheney works for G.H.W.Bush?’ That’s a new one!
Seriously Frank, do us sane people a favor, will you? Get together with your fellow conspirators and tin-foil hat antagonists to get a more cohesive story together that makes even some kinda sense!!
This whole ‘Prescott-Bush-financed-Hitler, Skull- and-Bones-Society-pledge, W-is-a-puppet-of-Dick Cheney, Dick-Cheney-is-a-puppet-of-W, Dick-Cheney and-W-are-puppets-of-GHW Bush, the-Halocaust never-happen, etc.’ is getting a bit hard to follow!
Seriously, I can’t keep track of all the insane theories you people come up with! Does Karl Rove work for the Pope? Is the Pope conspiring with Big Foot now? Are they both working with Aliens to invade your buttocks?
Get back to us when you have a clue.
Thank you
Lots of Love
Sane People Everywhere
January 24th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Oh, and Max? I was waiting for my wife to get home, then we’re going to watch a movie! Sorry it’s so late.
Alex? My balls are huge. No matter how much I post they’ll always be bigger then yours.
Gadzooks? See, no need to curse to get my point across. Oh, and fuck you.
Jerome? Hope I wasn’t too ‘flippant’ for you. Is it still considered ‘flippant’ if I sincerely think you need mental health treatment?
Thanks!
Loose Cannon
January 25th, 2008 at 5:49 am
Loose Cannon, you are a nut job. You need to seek immediate mental health treatment. Thanks for again not answering any of my questions: “Please tell me what’s up with Osama. Please tell me where the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were.”
I guess you’re really not the know-it-all that you think you are.
“Whats with the ‘P.S. Dick Cheney works for G.H.W.Bush?’ That’s a new one!”
Dick Cheney was V.P. when George H. W. Bush was the pres.
“This whole ‘Prescott-Bush-financed-Hitler, Skull- and-Bones-Society-pledge, W-is-a-puppet-of-Dick Cheney, Dick-Cheney-is-a-puppet-of-W, Dick-Cheney and-W-are-puppets-of-GHW Bush, the-Halocaust never-happen, etc.’ is getting a bit hard to follow!”
You’re being an idiot. All I said was Bush was a puppet of Cheney and Cheney is a puppet of H. W. Bush. I never said the Holocaust never happened, or Prescott Bush financed Hitler. Why don’t you try and respond to stuff that I actually said before you babble on with your nonsense.
And while you’re at it, you can go ahead and tell me why the U.S. government funded Al-Qaeda.
Might I recommend a great book by Michel Chossudovsky called {America’s “War on Terrorism.”}
Why don’t you give that book a full read and come back to me. In your next post, please don’t wander off while you’re babbling on about nonsense and start talking about anal probes again. I think you’re a little too obsessed with anal probes.
But seriously, get back to me when you’re done talking about anal probes.
January 25th, 2008 at 7:19 am
Now we’re getting somewhere, Frank. Now I know your Jr. High education is starting to fail you. Dick Cheney wasn’t HW’s VP – you of all people should remember Dan Quayle – Cheney was Secretary of Defense.
And stop relying upon the cornerstone of all Liberal thought – where are the WMD?’s. You still are acting like every other stupid democrat with their thumbs up their ass – you all voted to go to war. You ignore that and ignore the good news that comes out of Iraq everyday. You ignore the fact that Bush and Cheney liberated a country from a murderous dictator. They also liberated a country where your mom/daughter/sister would be beheaded if she didn’t cover her face in a man’s presence. I suppose when our troops come home victorious you’ll flip again and say you were for the war all along. It’s the same liberal bullshit we’ve been hearing for years, you all want nothing but bad news to come out of Iraq because it makes you look ‘righter.’ You’re probably one of those idiots who say they support the troops but not the war. Which is to say you support the troops to lose and come home in disgrace. You can’t support the troops without supporting what they do – kill enemies and break shit.
And just so’s you know, oil runs our economy. It’s the lifeblood of our manufacturing and transportation. As I look out my window there are hundreds of people trying to get to work, not on foot or on bikes but in cars. Cars need oil and gas to run. We use oil to make shit in this country. Without oil you wouldn’t be able to type your banal, juvenile horseshit into your computer because it was probably used to manufacture your keyboard, computer and monitor. It was used to manufacture your clothing, heat your house, deliver your food to the grocery store and you probably got in a car to go get them. Figure it out asshole, you don’t ride a horse anymore. You use as much oil as any of us. So stop being a hypocrite.
So Frank, finish your juice box while you watch cartoons. I suggested you read Christopher Hitchens a while back, but now I see you haven’t finished coloring the books you have in front of you.
January 25th, 2008 at 7:26 am
My Dearest Frank,
You never answered my questions, why in the world would I answer yours? You show the classic ’scattered thought processes’ of a a typical psychopath.
And face it, you’re not here to discuss, you’re here to insult and put forth the most insane and complicated conspiracy theory since the JFK assassination. (BTW, it was Col. Mustard in the library with the lead pipe.)
As soon as you mentioned ‘Zeitgeist’ I knew exactly what kind of person you were.
For the benefit of the occasional reader I watched ‘Zeitgeist’ and put together a summation of what I watched under ‘Top 10 Worst Living Dictators’.
Here’s what I wrote:
If I want to be bored for two hours while watching some propagandist film pocked with factual holes I’ll stick to ‘An Inconvenient Truth’. At least as I understand it, it actually lists some sources and entertains.
One reviewer wrote of this film: ‘The over-all temper of the video is rather like the John Birch Society on acid, with interludes by Harry Smith.’
Even the Producer of the film states “It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth . . .”
For those who don’t wish to subject themselves to what the reviewer wrote as “like I was getting Malcolm McDowell’s treatment in Clockwork Orange: eyes pried wide open while getting bombarded with quick-cut atrocity photos” picture this:
1) 9/11 Conspiracy claims
2) The ultra-rich have been secretly manufacturing wars.
3)Christianity is used by the rich and powerful to control people.
Just your run-of-the-mill left-wing, hysterical conspiracy, propaganda film lacking sources and facts.
It was the most insane, over-the-rainbow, dark-side-of-the-moon, scattered-thought-psychopathic-display I’ve ever seen. And I’ve watched ‘The Fountain’, so I know what I’m talking about.
‘Zeitgeist’ makes Andy Warhols’ Four Stars look like a Tim Allen movie. I can not imagine anyone except the most rabid, crazed, tin-foil- hat-Bush ‘Conspiratist’ actually sitting through the entire movie.
Frank, I’m not interested in contributing to your psychosis. I’m no Bush fanboy and like most Americans who disapprove of the current administration, I don’t like the current war in Iraq. But I don’t believe W/Cheney/GHW Bush are the incarnate of Stalin, Vlad the Impaler, and Hitler rolled up into one, nor do I believe the most complicated and cleverly planned government conspiracy in the history of the world was carried out by a leader who can’t go two paragraphs without mispronouncing a word.
Whatever medication they might be giving you, Frank, it’s time to review the dosage and maybe up it a bit.
Lots and Lots of Love, Frank.
Get well soon!
Loose Cannon
January 25th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Loose Cannon – stop making sense, you’re giving me a woody.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Bucslim - Loose Cannon – stop making sense, you’re giving me a woody.
It’s the way the sunlight hits my brunette hair when I say ‘Zeitgeist’ , isn’t it?
January 25th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
You guys are about as lost as the Christians who say God hates fags!
January 25th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
World Trade Center Building 7 didn’t blow itself up!
January 25th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Frank – World Trade Center Building 7 didn’t blow itself up!
Thank you, Frank. Perfect. Seriously, I don’t think you could have posted a more telling and accurate disclosure of your mental health. Bravo!
I was worried you might leave us with just a comparison with Fred Phelps, but ‘ol Frank never let’s me down. You definitely delivered with that line!
January 25th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Loose Cannon, why don’t you take the time to explain to me why WTC Building 7 fell, since you know everything in the entire history of the universe.
January 25th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
“but ‘ol Frank never let’s me down.”
lets
January 25th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
There is nothing Evil about this ppl in any way.
The reason you ppl cant talorate them is that you r all forced to beilieve in a made up rule of so called cevelized world that its such big deal of you kill something or some one which i dont undrestand. you think by demonizing ppl like stalin you can accumplish anything.They killed a few ppl ,so what? have you ever thought that ppl who dies throughout history maybe really deserved to die?
January 31st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Saddam killed 140000 kurds just in one millitary operation.
killed another 5000 kurds childs and old men in the town Halabja with chemical wapon. He is nummber one newst evil.
Arabs are the worth nation on earth
January 31st, 2008 at 7:35 pm
If typos were a sexual fantasy of mine, I would beat off to that previous comment.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Wow, loose cannon — what an annoying asshole.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:32 pm
passing through – Wow, loose cannon — what an annoying asshole.
Let’s not try to judge Frank too harshly. He’s most likely very sick.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:30 am
Well, this is really deteriorating lately. Perhaps there should be a time limit on comments. No one is even talking about the list anymore … just personal attacks. Anyway, I do think Bush/Cheney are not very nice people and that Iraq was a huge mistake. They don’t get a place in my top ten though. Lots of mass murderers in history. Maybe Bush/Cheney would make my top 100, but not my top 10.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Loose Cannon is just lost in his own little world of labeling anyone who disagrees with him as “mentally unstable”. It’s sad, really.
February 3rd, 2008 at 4:29 am
julian:i don’t really think he should be on here…i guess this is really all about what you say most evil means (as it is with a lot of lists)
February 3rd, 2008 at 4:50 am
to anyone who sugessted bush, bush had ideas that killed, but i wouldn’t say he’s actually that evil
February 3rd, 2008 at 4:10 pm
maybe i should rephrase this:
Loose Cannon is one hell of an annoying asshole!
lmao
February 4th, 2008 at 8:09 am
^ LOL! ^
February 5th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Loose Cannon….more like loose stool!
February 7th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
how about the guy who killed bambi’s mom?
February 8th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Not much of a loose cannon, is he? More like a habitual line stepper with a cut & paste debate style.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:32 am
i think hitler deserve the first place
February 9th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Dirk, watch what you say about loose cannon (a.k.a. loose stool).
He might think you are mentally ill!
February 11th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Tight Cannon: I’ll keep an eye out for him and his shitty pants.
ps My psychiatrist thinks he’s an asshole
February 12th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
bush is not evil in the usual sense, hes just a very bad decision maker
February 16th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I’m kinda confused.. For number eight it says “Ruhollah Khomeini” but then it starts out saying “Ayatollah Khomeini was the….” Is it Ayatollah or Ruhollah?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:42 am
Ok. Been reading all the comments and hopefully haven’t missed anything important. Monkey Nuts- totally agree with you. The whole Iraq war/invasion was all so Halliburton could get the military contracts and maybe some oil later on. And we all know Cheney and Baker and the rest of the kronies run Halliburton.
So, Bush/Cheney on this evil list? Nope. Bush in the top ten STUPIDEST men of all time list, absolutely. Cheney in the top ten of MOST MANIPULATIVE LYING 2-FACED BASTARDS list of all time. oh yeah. Bush isn’t capable of any independent thought, so that rules him out of being evil and plotting anything. Maybe old man Bush is also in there running part of the show, who knows.
All of you who are reacting emotionally about whether America was right or wrong in invading Iraq, please take a step back and stop thinking emotionally. Think of the facts. Some that have come out and those that will come out in the future. Monkey Nuts hit the nail on the head; sorry, this is not a slam on America, it is merely the truth of what was the underlying reason for the Iraq invasion. Sending soldiers to die for military contracts is surely evil; but the death toll in Iraq between military and civilians isn’t in the same ballpark as the others’ accomplishments on the list.
Its never pleasant to learn that your country lied to you and manipulated facts so as to fool Congress into supporting the ‘war’.
ps. Yes, Saddam and his sons were evil and horrible and killing them was definitely a good thing; but mowing down a country to do it wouldn’t have been my first choice.
February 19th, 2008 at 6:39 am
Gopal, love your insight on the Khomeini matter, much respect…and ‘chapeau bas’ to Jfrater as always
Personally speaking my family, like many others, fled Iraq back to Iran during Saddam’s rise to unyielding power. My aunts, uncles and grandparents were amongst the *lucky* ones to be placed in torture camps rather than horrendously murdered upon sight. I’m just happy I still have my family!
As for Khomeini being a “spiritual man”, I personally strongly disagree with any religious figure practicing politics via fanaticism on any one nation under their rule. I mean it must’ve come as a big shock to the local christians, jews and non-practicing/liberal muslims to have to live under the suffocating circumstances set by the Khomeini regime. If you’re gonna talk about real spiritual men in Islam consider Imam Moussa Al-Sader!
Also, as cliche as it has become, there is no black & white, meaning the Shah of Iran wasn’t any better really. I see Iran’s recent history having gone from shit to shittier by these men in power.
I don’t want to start a word feud or anything,I know how passionate supporters of certain leaders can get, but that is my take on things! We gotta have some tolerance..
(oh and Jfrater, it’d be nice to see Saddam’s ugly mug on one of those lists:)
February 19th, 2008 at 8:10 am
What about recent evil people, such as Osama Bin Ladin, or Fidel Castro, (though I heard he retired this morning) I am apppauled that someone would dare compare Cheney to Stalin! True, Dick is a horrible idiot who needs to live in a hole for a few years, but hes not evil.
February 19th, 2008 at 9:20 am
What did Osama Bin Ladin do? And please don’t say he was in charge of 9/11. If you say that, you really need to do more research on what really happened and stop relying on what our ‘leaders’ told us what happened.
February 19th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Truth: you could dry that out and fertilize the lawn… While I agree that we should not rely on the person governing our country and have our own opinions… I do believe that Osama Bin Laden had a big part in the Trade Center bombings.
February 19th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Truth:
Bin Laden *did* fund the terrorist attacks on 9/11. Assuming that you are right, though, and he played no part in it, Bin Laden was still the leader (and some think one of the original founders) of the terrorist organization Al-Qaeda, the most prolific, organized militant jihadist organization in the world. Also the most well-organized and well-funded terrorist organization in the world, some of the methods of which include: plane hijackings, prisoner torture and decapitation for propaganda purposes, organized bombings of major international institutions (not to mention organized bombings of “civilian” townships throughout the middle east), suicide bombings, forced suicide bombings utilizing children and the invalid, kidnappings, rape and torture of political opponents and dissidents, as well as the self-proclaimed champion of a literal, reactionary translation of the Qur’an that preaches mass genocide and iron-fisted, theist, misogynistic, totalitarian regimes. Bin Laden not only led this organization, but fed it through massive funds from his personal fortune, and advocated the widespread use of violence and terror to acheive his goals. Assuming he had no part in 9/11 (which he did – he was one of the first to publicly take credit for his role in the Sep. 11 hijackings), how could you still not consider this man evil?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Bush was presented with a bill to put chemical indicators in all household poisons. This would save tens of thousands of children every year, but he vetoed it because it would have cost his corporate buddies (who are making record profit) a little extra money.
February 19th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
It scares me to no end that people with such ill-informed opinions vote.
Now before anyone accuses me of wanting to disenfranchise the stupid; I only said it scares me, not that they shouldn’t have the right to vote.
Loose_cannon and bucslim, keep the faith… there are still some sane folks out here.
February 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
And the winner is… GEORGE BUSH! hypocrisy and foolishness added
February 20th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Wasn’t there some big rumor that Walt Disney was evil?
February 20th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Khomeini should be on the “top ten fucking idiots” list
February 20th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
9/11 was a controlled demolition.
February 21st, 2008 at 3:10 am
How easily is history distorted by the winners. Had WWII had a different outcome, who do you think would be called evil by the Japanese? (just a hint: who dropped the bomb?)
As to the criticism about the labour camps and such in USSR, might i recall a nice vacation resort in Cuba, called Guantanamo Bay? The way you guys are defending the Bushkeviks, you sure won’t be spending any vacation time there! As for the rest of us….. we better not wear a long beard while trying to board a plane…
Just to get it straight…. lying to your own people, going to unprovoked war (sorry, PREEMPTIVE), getting several hundred thousand people dead (iraqis are people too, you know), millions homeless and fleeing, and then have the gut to say “God told me” is not being evil… of course not.
History is *always* distorted in favor of the winners of every conflict. During the war, both sides are fighting for “righteousness”, or to avenge some “evil outsiders threating the homeland”. If you win, you get to write you defeated the evil doers. Weird thing is, no matter how hard i try to say i win the lotto, i never do. Saying something is blue doesnt make it so. And as long as people can take a step back and look at events with some kind of distance, its fairly easy to see that, in most conflicts, there never was a good-vs-evil conflict. Only a conflict of interests. The good-vs-evil part came along to incite the average joe to pick up arms and forget family and friend and get killed. That is true evil.
(And before you quote Hitler killing millions of jews in concentration camps, which he did, he was not the only one to use those camps. Russia had its gullags and the US had the Japanese round up and carried to similar camps too. Not to mention the vacation resort in Cuba).
Thank you for your time,
CC
February 21st, 2008 at 5:02 am
@Loose Cannon:
What is so weird about:
1) 9/11 Conspiracy claims
2) The ultra-rich have been secretly manufacturing wars.
3)Christianity is used by the rich and powerful to control people.
being true? Is it any less legitimate than sitting through a UN Council session blabbering about Iraqi transmissions that prove nothing AND STILL get to invade a country based on completely false claims?
And specifically about number 3, it has been used that way since the roman emperors who, to strenghten their control of the empire, adopted religion to do it. They were rich and powerful. And about number 2? Who gets to decide a country goes to war? The average joe? Or the rich and powerful presidents and “entourage”? As to number 1, i secretely hope its false, but my hope is decreasing with every destroyed paper by the administration.
CC
February 21st, 2008 at 5:24 am
Like many liberal thinkers point out- How does a guy in a cave in dire need of continuous dialysis treatments plan something like 9-11? Let alone slip through intelligence agencies like some kind of fox.
Do I think Bush and co was behind 9-11? No. Cheney and his co? No. As insipid as the former is and as greedy as the latter is I don’t think they’d plan the deaths of 3,000+ people (Iraq is a different story). However did they know about it? You better damn well believe it or the billions of dollars going into the CIA better be funding something else that’s useful.
February 21st, 2008 at 6:45 am
Uh concerned citizen – are you comparing what the US did to Japanese Americans to what Hitler did to the Jews? I don’t think you’re using the word ’similar’ correctly.
Sending people to the gas chamber or oven isn’t ’similar’ to what the US did to Japanese folk. Which is not to say that I condone it, but we just got our shit hauled at Pearl Harbor and many of our soldiers lost their lives to an unprovoked Japanese attack. We couldn’t be sure at the time that people of Japanese decent would be sympathetic to what their former countryman had done and try to be subversive. That recent Ken Burns documentary on WWII pointed out that many people thought Japan was going to attack the mainland.
I think you’ll find that internment camps weren’t the same as sending millions of people to their death.
February 21st, 2008 at 6:52 am
And also, concerned citizen, as for your conspiracy rant in comment # 250, I think it’s time you moved out of your parents basement and read a few books.
I’ve stated a hundred times over and most of you liberals out there seem to keep forgetting that all of you voted for us to go to war. Not just the rich and powerful Presidential ‘entourage,’ whatever the hell that means. Hell even Clinton’s official policy was a regime change in Iraq.
February 21st, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Bucslim,
Can’t concerned citizen read books in his/her parent’s basement?
You seem to get away with it.
February 22nd, 2008 at 3:53 am
@bucslim:
Please dont include me in that number, because as much as i’d like to vote for everybody else OVER bushkevik, i can’t do it from over here in europe (the internet comes all the way here too, you know, its not an american prerogative).
Entourage is a french expression. Roughly translates to his chums or buddies.
And its not the goal im discussing, Saddam was no saint, its the means. And the moment you forget the means used to attain the goals, you’ve lowered to their standards.
Regime change could be attained as easily as was done in Honduras, for instance. Remember the Contras? The CIA does.
And it was not a conspiracy rant. Its a list of historical facts. I never implied the roman emperors conspired with Bush, i believe not even his radio-tooth can speak with them, only with god.
But i totally restate the same. Religion has been used to convince and coerce the people into fighting worthless wars over rich people’s interests. The gold plundered during the crusades did not end up in the people’s purses, but in the kings and rulers coffers. Thats not a conspiracy, thats plain simple brain washing. “In the name of god and all thats holy, go kill infidels and the kingdom of heaven shall be yours!”
Did you noticed how i did not push the 9-11 line?
CC
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:03 am
@bucslim (#252): Sorry for not addressing this on the previous post.
I may not have explained myself properly. I was not trying to compare the concentration camps of wwii in europe with the ones on the US during the same time. Only their existence. And there were similar camps in both sides. No gas chambers on the american ones, but the simple fact that they existed illustrates that in wartime mankind can, and will, do the most horrific things conceivable or not.
But your rationale is not valid. You say the americans round up the Japanese because they were afraid of them and wanted to control them. Well, the germans wanted to control the jews too. And seize their properties. The fact alone of rounding up a group of people based on the ethnic or cultural background is *exactly* the same.
Thank you for your time,
CC
February 22nd, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Well said, CC
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 pm
@Bucslim
I love how all of you republicans say all of the democrats voted to go to war.
First, I have NEVER supported the never-ending war of terror.
Second, At the time after 9/11, just about everybody in the U.S. was manipulated into supporting the war so we can kill the ‘terrorists’ that: ran into the world trade centers, made WTC building 7 mysteriously collapse, and for apparently shooting a cruise missile into the pentagon.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 am
I honestly can’t believe people would say that anyone from the Bush administration belongs on this list. It’s ridiculous and quite mind-boggling to think about. Seriously. I kind of agree with Loose Cannon, y’all need mental help.
I also can’t believe people actually believe there was no Holocaust. I can’t even wrap my head around that one!
I agree with the idea that schools in America are committing a crime to society by not teaching about many of these evil men. I had only heard of a few of them until now, and some of them I had learned of from TV and books, not in class. (We covered Hitler and Stalin in History, Robespierre in French class, that’s about it.)
I remember learning about the Japanese camps during WWII, I think those should be talked about more in schools. We Americans shouldn’t forget that we too are capable of such terrible acts in hopes that we don’t commit the same atrocities again. (I’m guessing that we didn’t round up ALL of the Muslim-Americans after 9-11. It is unfortunate that they still received unfair treatment and were discriminated against, but it could have been a lot worse than it was, IMO.)
I’m not smart like you people, so if I’m wrong about stuff feel free to point it out nicely.
February 28th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
lol @ putting stalin in number 1, or even in the top 10. The famine in ukraine wasn’t him “killing 2.5-10 million people” any other “Stalin killed X million people” usually comes with no evidence WHATSOEVER. Its typical anti-communist rubbish.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:29 am
where is saddam hussein ?
i think ur unfair saying khamena2i from iran
February 29th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
The list is believable because Stalin is number one! Very good!
Robespierre was surprising choice, but come to think of it he fits in to the list very well…
March 1st, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Ed Gein? BTK killer? other than that, great, i think Hitler should have been number one, but you did a good kob!
March 7th, 2008 at 5:20 am
@Miss Destiny (259)
Hello
Please check here: http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm (it has sources too, its not just a rant). It details the existence of concentration camps in the US -TODAY-. (and its not guantanamo holiday inn).
The holocaust is an historic fact, no dispute there, other than it was recorded as historic fact by the winners. I am not implying it didnt exist, obviously it did. Im just pointing out that history is ALWAYS written by the winners, always making them look better than they were and the losers worst than they were. Its human nature.
@Sutemi (262)
Stalin as #1 is plain simply communist brain wash… red scare anyone?
Where are the spanish conquistadores that so diligently slaughtered millions in South America?
Where is the american president who signed the order to drop the two bombs in Japan? Whats the death toll on those two blasts ALONE? Had the axis won WWII, the allied leadership would have been trialed for war crimes, just like the axis leaders were. This issue is not, and never will be, black and white. Dark shades of gray are everywhere.
Thank you very much for your time,
CC
March 18th, 2008 at 1:11 am
ok, Tepes was a bitch, randomly spiking 30 000 of his own people, setting alight the homeless and the handicapped…He should be number One.
Now also consider Genghis Khan…poured molten gold into people’s ears etc…had his men set up pyramids of severed heads from destroyed villages…also please note the Genghis quote: “The greatest joy a man can have is to see another man cry, to take away his possessions, to make love to his wives and daughters..”
Hitler wasn’t really evil…his theories were just crackpot stupid.
Have a nice day!! Maybe I will make it onto this list someday!!
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:43 pm
how about Ioan Seceleanu? Not the diplomat, but rather his son.
March 29th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Intresting list. It is good that you pointed out the fact that you could have made a top 100 and still had more than enough for a second list. The people that came looking for the BTK and other sereal killers, while I agree they were ecil I do not agree they are as bad as stallin or Pol Pot. killing 10 or 20 hardly compares to 100 thousand and more. Just wondering if you were to further your list where would you rate the Japanese military in Nanjing. I am teaching a class and we have reached the infamous “Rape of Nanking”
April 1st, 2008 at 10:14 am
Why is Mao not on the list? he killed more than possibly Stalin and definitely more than Hitler. Hirohito was proven innocent at the end of the war, by Douglas MacAuther why is it possible that the allies allow the emperor to live on if he had committed a crime. The Royal family of Japan are still the decedent from Hirohito. It should have been Prime Minister Tojo who you should have put on the list instead. Why is Linine not on the “possible” list, he has killed many in his days. And who ever consider putting Bush on the list are very bio
April 1st, 2008 at 10:19 am
Why is Mao not on the list? he killed more than possibly Stalin and definitely more than Hitler. Hirohito was proven innocent at the end of the war, by Douglas MacAuther why is it possible that the allies allow the emperor to live on if he had committed a crime. The Royal family of Japan are still the decedent from Hirohito. It should have been Prime Minister Tojo who you should have put on the list instead. Why is Linine not on the “possible” list, he has killed many in his days. And who ever consider putting Bush on the list is very bies. Any other once I am not too sure about. just a reminder, the most recent one is not the worst compare to what history can provide us (not taking away that Hussin is bad)
April 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am
John:
Hirohito was not “proven innocent” at the end of the war–by MacArthur or anyone else–he was in essence excused as a possible defendant for the simple reason of expediency; namely, that the emperor, in his traditional position as spiritual/titular leader of the Japanese people (even if in actual practice he was little more than a figurehead) was more of an asset than a liability in dealing with Japan’s civilian population as well as the military. The Emperor was a useful symbol, in other words–and if he capitulated to Allied occupation and control, then the populace and military would be likely to follow–and continue to remain manageable thereafter. If the Emperor had been deposed and tried as a criminal, this could have sparked riots and rebellion–something the Allies were anxious to avoid. It was infinitely more convenient to “look the other way” regarding Hirohito’s complicity in the war, and make use of him as a stabilizing influence.
Nevertheless, while Tojo was MORE responsible for Japan’s militarism during the war, Hirohito was far from “innocent.” In fact, Tojo was not even prime minister during the entire time period building up to Pearl Harbor. He was a major player behind the scenes—but he was not yet the head of government calling all the shots.
April 2nd, 2008 at 11:36 pm
I so want to add my boss to that list! :p
April 7th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Odd. The original list had Khomeini at #10, Hirohito at #8, Leopold at #7, Pol Pot at #6, and Attila at #5. There was no good reason for changing the order, or for adding Amin.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
i realize this is a very late post but… where is harry truman? the man who ordered the annihilation of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians? especially since hirohito is on the list. the dropping of the atomic bomb was not only unconscienable but also unnecessary. japan was done, surrender inevitable.
April 16th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
“where is harry truman?”
doug – sorry to have to break the news to you, but Harry died. Some years back
April 21st, 2008 at 7:36 am
atila the hun is one ugly f*ck
April 26th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Is it just me, or does that picture of Hitler look like Hugh Laurey from “House”?
April 27th, 2008 at 8:35 am
I am surprised Cheney did not make it to the list…
April 27th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Just because Bush and Cheney had not killed someone face to face or tortured someone with their own hands doesnt make what they have done or caused any less evil.. They are responsible for upwards of a million deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan and who knows maybe Iran next.. The US is the only country to have used a Nuclear weapon without caring who got killed in the process.. Globalization and the IMF and World Bank are serving to increase the gap between the poor and wealthy indirectly possibly causing the deaths of millions more who cannot feed themselves. They care for their citizens alot.. sure we saw that after Katrina and their disregard for the fact that their wars abroad are creating terrorists to multiply exponentially. Then there is ABu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Secret CIA prisons.. They have not destroyed the constitution completely.. but not for a lack of want. They are trying through the Patriot Act and FISA and of course NSPD 51 and many others. So yeah maybe they are not on par with someone who impaled or boiled their victims (altho they have no problem sending prisoners to countries who do torture) I think they deserve a place on a list like this.
April 27th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Maybe he should make a list for the most evil governments or countries
unfortunately the havoc wreaked by the US cannot be blamed on one person… ANyway love these lists
April 27th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Im not sure these men count as the most evil. They are all political leaders. I find it hard to believe that you can put people who are highly respected by their own people at least in with the most Evil. Vlad is concidered a national hero in Romania. He did what he had to in order to keep the Turks from invading. Don’t think for an instant the Turks weren’t just as blood thirsty. The church used him and then cast him aside. He wasn’t evil. He was tormented.
Then Attila the Hun, What makes him any more evil than Alexander the Great or Hanibal? They both did their best to conqure the known world. Or even the Irish and Viking raiders? Then to put Stalen as more evil than Adolf Hitler? Im sorry but this list is just completely screwed up.
If you change nothing else about it at least change it to top ten most evil goveremental leaders rather than the top ten most evil men.
April 30th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
that Austraian bastard who imprisoned his daughter for 24 years should be on this list – oh and Dick Cheney of course!
April 30th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
errr I mean AUSTRIAN bastard – evil fucker
May 1st, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Oi! Hirohito was not an Evil Person. He was being manipulated by the Military, who had gotten over the ‘Emperor is God’ superstition and forced him to do as they said, on threats of death. Now, it is true that the crimes the Japanese Committed at Nanking was something that many considered unforgivable, it was technically not his fault. You try and tell someone who threatens to kill you ‘No’ just to have an entire Nation fall into chaos.
May 2nd, 2008 at 4:14 am
i really think Vlad should be higher, if evil is rated on the way acts are carried out, reasons for it and other such things, he should definetly be up high.
Impaling lots n lots of people, imapling people to scare away an enemy army, inviting all the poor people to a dinner, and then burning them alive to eliminate poverty, having a dungeon right below his bed, to hear the screams and groans of his victims, not impaling people quickly but allowin them to slowly slide down to make a more gruesome death, when he was locked up he impaled bugs and put them on his little shelf thingy as his “trophies”, all this comin from that documentary on him, he may not of killin the most people, but hell he killed the most people gruesomely and got pleasure out of it (locked under his bedroom to hear the screams).
May 4th, 2008 at 5:02 am
i wont to ask to all ho bilev in the heaven god thy you shod ask the one ho have than all the trabel and problem in the first place to solv woth hem salf than he creat the devil and he blan hem fol all the things that the father creat hem to do the father is the one ho ting that the human are a bord game to play with he say that he is the good and he creat the devil he the one ho kild hes son for hes own folt he say that hem love the human wan he creat the evil to harm the human he is the one ho trow the rock and hiad hes hand that is the heaven father
May 5th, 2008 at 9:35 am
@kelien, this list isn’t very correct at all, maybe most ‘Evil Leaders’ would make more sense. in contrast to the most gruesome murders and other things the people who carried out the acts of murder and other such things, they are truely more evil then these men who didnt really have to see the acts, just tell people to do it for them.
you may say they are evil for ordering it and the people who do it are just pawns but, those people have counciousses as everyone does, so they should also be up in thier with the leader.
May 7th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
well, i would just like to note one thing… many have said that this person should or shouldnt be in, or that person, or etc… the fact is that no list can be perfect, as all these men (as well as every other even considerable) had both supporters and enemies, every man on this list was both a hero and a monster, so this list is obviously innacurate, as will be any.
May 8th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
hi i am 26m from malta i wont to ask all human
ho have chusd thow’s human as evil ho is the one that have creat the evil in the first place and all human that are children of the heaven father will be than to them the same that he than to hes son for hes own folt by blaming same one that he creat in the fist place
if there is any one thay know and that can tell that the father is the good pls see all that hee than befor say that thow’s human are evil not becos thay chust to be but becos thay have ben creatid from ho is the heaven father
May 9th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
what about king henry the 8th
but i guess that would need to be a different list
May 9th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
where the fuck is osama
May 9th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
osama binladin if i spelled it correct. is the reason no arabic or any people that might look the part can go into a airport without a random security check.
May 9th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
o and also out of a 1000 bush and dick cheney should be on there too
May 12th, 2008 at 6:01 am
Why is Lenin not in there, most people don’t know this but Stalin only did what Lenin WANTED to do, he wrote it al down and stalin did it.
May 12th, 2008 at 8:23 am
all of us know that evil 1 or 1000000 evil human thay are same evil but for the father to stop them is not rayt so he agrey to do harm by using tham in a way that no one ander stend and wane he cam he well be loockd as the good fighting the bad in human isee sow
i sugest to put hes name in the way that thows evil top 10 are mathe to sow ho is tham crater be with tham to
May 12th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Emperor Hirohito had no power over the military. There was a military leader.Where is Dick Cheney
May 18th, 2008 at 2:55 am
Thought Mao might be there too.
May 22nd, 2008 at 8:04 pm
tjgrs, i only read few posts but this one got me, How can u say someone was a ‘ amzing leader but the most messed up man ever’ that goes 4 hirohito and hitler, so what ur saying is, “sure hitler killed milloions, and hirohito allowed women raped and babys thrown through the air and landing on knives, is mad and disgusting, but they were amazing leaders 4 the things they achived apart from that”??????????????
THE ONLY WAY THEY ACHIVED ANYTHING WAS THROUGH FEAR!!!!
HOW CAN U SAY THEY WAS SOMEHOW AMAZING???? PPL I FIND AMAZING ARE THE ONES WHO CAN LEAD A CIVILIZED SOCIETY WITHOUT THE MURDER OF MEN,WOMEN,INFANTS!! THANKS!!
these are NOT amzing ppl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is nothing there 2 be amazed by?! except understanding how the ppl was ‘brain washed’ 2 agree with them THROUGH FEAR!! thats not amazing, whatever they achieved is not amazing, they killed millions/thousands painfully, 2 get what they wanted 2 archive, HOW IS THAT AMAZING??? should britain do that 2?? so it would b known 4 something amazing?? how disgusting!! do u think slavery was in ’some way’ amazing, 4 how Britain/America is today????
SORRY but that post did kinda really disgust me *shocked eyes* 8-0 last point THAY ARE NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM AMZING PPL!! GOOD GRIVE SHOULD THERE BE PPL LIKE THEM 2 DAY, GOOD HELP THE PPL (even thou im not religious!) but i hope these ”amzing’ ppl will die out!!!!!!!!!!!
finished lol!
but i am intrested in the most hated and evil ppl, so thanks 4 this. even if it does get me emotional, im human!!
god let those victims rest in peace 4ever! xxx
May 27th, 2008 at 1:24 am
Where is Göran Persson?
June 4th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Hirohito was not evil. Tojo was.
If Stalin belongs on the list, I think Zedong is more then qualified. For all he did wrong, Stalin turned the USSR into the strongest in the world. Without him, we’d all be praising our Fuhrer right now.
June 9th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
These bizzare-o red-neck comment wars freak me out. How can so many people be so ignorant?
June 10th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Re. Bush/Cheney: I love how people complain about how free speech is dying and/or Bush is a fascist dictator ON A PUBLIC FORUM WITH THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE READING. Through the very act of posting without fear they prove themselves wrong.
Re. Mao: My understanding is that Mao pales in comparison to his Communist peers. The Cultural Revolution was nothing to be proud of, to be sure, but the majority of Mao related deaths were due to incompetence (IE an inability to manage the economy and a misguided belief that ideology was a better qualification in an adviser than knowledge) rather than actual oppression. Not that there wasn’t plenty of that to go around, but Mao’s brand of oppression was decidedly less murderous than Stalin, Castro, Pol Pot, etc.
Re. US Presidents: The only one I would even consider would be Truman, and even then there is sufficient evidence that he felt remorse for the atomic bomb drops that he earns a pardon. No one on this list showed anywhere near that much humanity.
Re. Attila: This is the only one actually on the list I have a problem with. For his time, Attila was nothing more than a land hungry warlord: Just like Caesar, Alexander, Charlemagne, and just about every other political leader of the day. While I normally oppose historical revisionism in the name of making it less “Eurocentric” this is one case where I think it is justified. The Huns were just another empire in an age where Imperialism was considered the norm. The only reason Western historians consider Genghis and Attila evil was because they attacked the West.
June 10th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
(I read about half these comments before I lost patience and skipped to the bottom, but I doubt anything significant has changed since then.)
I would say that the people ranking Bush and/or Cheney as deserving of a place on the list are suffering from a severe lack of perspective, rather than mentally ill (or, at the very least, most of them aren’t; I can make no such claim for the true fanatics). I’m hardly a fan of the Bush administration, but they would need to set up a full-fledged dictatorship and/or commit genocide before they merited even being considered for inclusion. All they’ve done so far, unless I’m missing something, is start a war and infringe upon the liberties of the people, which is pretty run-of-the-mill for world leaders throughout history.
Secondly, I really don’t think that anyone (human or deity) should be blamed for the atrocities committed on their behalf, assuming that their only actual connection to said atrocities was that their followers were responsible for them. On a related topic, I would exclude religious figures from this list on the grounds that it’s impossible to definitively prove most religious beliefs; while there have been arguments over who belongs on this list, no one has questioned, or had reason to question, the very existence of any of these men.
June 15th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
where is Mao?
June 17th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
As to the Vlad Tepes (vlad the impaler)one, I see how you would consider him being an evil man. But do you take into accord that these people were probably his enemies (Turkish)? They were waging a war, and people do inhumane things in desperate time to keep the support of the people and WIN.
While Vlad Tepes did some things I don’t necessarily agree with, I think he was a leader, and that was what his people needed.
So I am still very proud to say I am a descendant of his.
As to Adolf Hitler.
He was a genius. It cannot be denied. he was just an evil/crazy genius. But he had great war methods and persuasive skills.
June 17th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
**But he had great war methods and persuasive skills.**
um, I don’t think that makes him a genius.
June 18th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Remember rushfan
Hitler came from nowhere…so to speak. One year he was in jail writing his racist and extremist book “mein kampf”, the next, he was Germany’s leader tearing up the Treaty of Versailles by rebulding and modernising Germany’s army.
By taking back land, taking over countries, carrying out the holocost, turning views, bullying great leaders and countries, almost succeeding in taking over the whole of Europe, I think Hitler deserves the title of a great military genius.
After all, his success was not pure fortune, it all had been planned when Germany had collapsed after the Great war.
And while im posting, please people, stop asking and stating “where’s Bush?” “what about Osama Bin Ladin?” its fucking rediculous. The list is not “potentially the most evil”, has Bush killed millions of people? Has Osama?
June 19th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Saying that hirohito was eil is a bunch of bullshit. Though beloved in the eyes of the pulic, almost no action made by the Japanese was ever dictated or thought up by Hirohito. The only descision that hirohito made was to bomb pearl harbor. The real evil man you want is General Hideki Tojo.
June 20th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Where is mao
June 25th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
While we’re at it lets add the bombing of Dresden, if you live in the south I’m sure Sherman, Grant, and Lincoln would be the top 3, if you lived in Gaul the top 10 would consist of all Romans, if you were the Red Sox you’d say the Yankees. Look, this is a subjective list created by Jfrater. While America certainly hasn’t be perfect (the interment of the Japanese citizens during WWII comes to mind) I don’t think one single leader has been “evil” enough to take the spot of one of those listed above.
I appreciate the point you were trying to make and agree with it, but I must strongly object to your generalizations. To say that southerners believe Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman were as evil as Hitler and the other people on this list, which I like by the way though it is very hard to leave it at 10, is ridiculous and insulting. Do you honestly think people in the south hate Lincoln? Everyone loves Lincoln, except a very few extremists nuts and most of his own party at the time. Most southerns in regaurd to the civil war somewhat admire Grant’s ability to defat General’s like Lee and Jackson. The whole group fought together in the Mexican-American wars and Lee was the first person asked to lead the U.S. troops in the civil war. As for Sherman, there are things to be said about his cruelty towards civilains although they are less popular to print. Then of course, it’s hard to say who is ‘evil’ in a war.
The scarriest thing about this list is most of these people believed they were morally right.
June 26th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
I’ve seen it a few times in the comments already (I lost patience and skipped a chunk of the middle) but I really do feel like Mao should be on this list. A little bit of research into Chinese history will show that he was responsible for more deaths than Hitler (though they were admittedly of a different sort). He made bad political decisions that led the widespread famine. During this famine, he sent what food there was left to his officers, leaving the farmers to starve leaving no one to produce more food.
He became paranoid and deliberately stirred up panic and turmoil. public humiliations of those who protested (or those who were alleged to have done so) frequently led to death, insanity, and mortal illness. He raised an army of youth to batter anything that was historical, religious, cultural, anti-mao, buigois, etc. No one was safe and no one was informed. Millions of his own people died from the atmosphere of suspicion he shrouded his country in. He brainwashed the people into thinking that he was God. Mao could do no wrong. Most Chinese still are kept ignorant of his crimes against humanity. Chinese people wait in long lines, buy flowers, and bring them to his body (preserved and displayed in Tienanmen square) to worship and honor him. If you ask a college age student what they think of Mao you will hear how he strengthened China, how he was a great leader and a great man, and how he was an honorable part of their history.
Even after his death his reign of fear and deception settles on China. He was an evil man.
June 27th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
ariel sharon should be on this propandised list.
June 27th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Well, yes the Bush administration is the worse in American History and I can write a book about their faults and crimes but they do not belong on the top 10 yet. I Think Hitler should have made number one, he did cause World War II, 100 million is greater than Stalin’s 20 million. 60 is exaggerating, besides he did express remorse for the lost of his countrymen in the name of progress. Lets give him some credit, he changed Russian from an almost feudalist-farm society to a world power. He did not kill just to kill. Stalin wanted progress for his country. Hitler wanted to take over the world, big difference! What’s count Drakula doing there ? He would not even make top 50 on my list. I suggest you change him for the Roman Emperor Nero; that man was evil ! and crazy ! .
One final comment, Bush has been compared to the devil, anti-christ, Hitler, etc. ( Ha even Chavez said it smelled like sulfur after he finished talking! ) I dont think Bush is that evil, to me he is America’s nero. Nero nearly destroyed Rome ( 1/3 of the city I believed and buchered quite a bit of people for his amusement ). Bush has almost bankrupt the United States. ( 2019 supposely ) spent 8 trillion dls, buried the United States in financial misery for the rest of its existence ( not really, but almost! ), lost the country’s credibility, friends, violated an infinity of laws, international and domestic, etc etc. At least he has not made himself king, but his brother will be running in 2012 . Change Vlad to Nero!
June 27th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Is that Ivan the same as Ivan the Great ? I know there was a Russian Czar who traveled to Western Europe to bring ideas with him to modernize his country. I think I remember reading he was a bit cruel but also great help to his people. It could be another Czar or Ivan. Actually I think it was a Czar name Peter, because he build Saint Petersburg. Ahh, who knows. Anyone know what I’m talking about, let me know.
Yeah those Russians sure could torture, but no one can top the English. Uff, gives me the goosebumps just thinking of what they do.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
why the fuck is Hirohito there he had near enuf no control over his country it was run by the generals if u want 2 put the Rape of Nanking put sum1 like tojo in
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:46 pm
i think a we need to focus on evil on a huge scale. yes people like ariel sharon and osama bin laden are evil but they are not epic evil.(i’m singularly the most evil thing that ever lived but i’m not putting myself on the list) i dont think anybody has mentioned oliver cromwell yet. what an evil bastard, banned christams, boozing and lewd behaviour (no fun).
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:18 pm
for words such as evil imagination comes very much into play, to condemn or condone acts played out in the name of religion is only pandering to suggestion, whether it be for revenge for historical injustice or ballast for future prejudice. evil should i feel never be used in the description of a cause, even if we are dealing with the worst society has to throw at us, or that which we go along with.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:56 am
thats bullshit,wheres BUSH and the Rothschild’s?
July 10th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I think that Pope Innocent III should be up there. I know it seems weird to have a pope on the list of the most evil men, but his Papacy led to the Inquisitions and Crusades, which ended up killing over 70 million people. Thats 7 times as many people as Stalin (#1) on the list killed.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
One Letter:
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July 13th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
what about Josef Mengele? Uday Hussein?
July 30th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I disagree with hirohito even being an honorable mention. It was mostly the militant members of his government that were responsible for the crimes. Ive always read that hirohito really didnt know what was going on under him and when he did he usually was too scared to say anything against his generals for fear of a coup
August 1st, 2008 at 6:13 pm
anyone notice that hitler’s eye are not black and white if you look real close kind of creepy
August 4th, 2008 at 11:16 am
actually mr khomeini wasnt evil in the sense of the word evil…..he was taken into power through the wrong doings of the Shah of Iran who in my opinion was grossly corrupt and puppetted by Britain and the US.
Bush/Cheney/Blair of course they’re evil they have blood on their hands, they are solely responsible for the murder of innocent individuals in the name of ‘war on terror’ also including their own people, does Bush think about the lost live’s of fellow american souls coming home in a box, or the live’s of young soldier’s who are permanently mained and disfigured for a cause they are not quite sure on. Mr. Blair put to death a government scientist before Britain committed itself to the iraq invasion. The British Royal family for the death of Diana and maybe other people. The Australian gorvernment for their abuses of human rights. Everyone seemed to have forgot our famous grandad we all love in Zimbabwe, I would also include past present and possibly future governments of Israel, Charles De Gaulle, Vichy, Bomber Harris who committed several war crimes in WWII, Margaret Thatcher for the Falklands War, Northern Ireland, and the miner’s strike. Any Chinese politician since and including Mao, Gerry Adams, Ian Paisley in Northern Ireland I am sure they are solely responsible for indescriminate murder. Lastly, nearly all south american leader’s.
Apart from political evil, there are numerous counts of industrial evil, look at the conglomerates abusing their oversea’s workforce I shouldn’t need to name name’s.
I am an American, I served in the Military and I am as proud and patriotic as the next american but you cannot condone the actions of puppeteer’s and profiteer’s, and selfless feckless governments who have no purpose to rule other than create misery and death. These are numerous on our planet right now.
I have exaggerated this and I DO KNOW THIS, but this isn’t far off the truth. Also, I disagree with the Judas claim, to claim he was evil for what he done to Christ is ridiculous, if he hadn’t betrayed Christ, there would have been no crucifixion and no christianity. I would like to hear other’s feeling’s on this subject.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
tyrantsrus – I would like to hear other’s feeling’s on this subject.
My feelings are you’re a flake and a nut.
Charles De Gaulle more evil then Stalin or Hitler? Margaret Thatcher for defending British territory in the Falkland Islands? Past, Present and Future governments of Israel are ALL evil? ALL of them? Really?
BTW, while we’re all thankful for your service, being a military vet doesn’t mean you’re not a flake or a nut. Just look at John ‘I have the hat to this day!’ Kerry*.
August 7th, 2008 at 7:10 am
What about King Herod the Great? If what is written in the Gospel of Matthew is true he was responsible for the death of thousands of very young males in his search to find and kill infant Jesus.
Of course, the accuracy of the story and whether or not it was simply “creative writing” not meant to be taken literally, is a subject of debate.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:03 am
wowww I love your listsss I read the one about the top ten most evil women and even THAT one had a really heated debate. I love it very entertaining informative and funny. Especially with all the smart remarks loose cannon made. FUNNNNNYYYY!
August 11th, 2008 at 5:52 am
I disagree with this list, Saddam hussein executes genocide against Kurds and seitis. The number of Kurds killed by Saddam is more than 200000, see the aministy international report, 140000 were citizens. He used chemical weapons against Halabja, killed about 5000 in less than 15 min.
This beside the wars agains Kuwait, Iran, seeiats.
August 11th, 2008 at 7:28 am
i think loose cannon….. you post here just to wind people up or maybe you are a sad little individual that when you cant argue yourself out of a plastic bag you bad mouth and name call to get a point across.
So if you would like a good debate and have your sorry ass eat humble pie please bring it on and lets see how factual your claims and retorts are. So please give me an argument I wont forget.
Anyone who thinks dubbya and his merry men arent evil are completely ignorant and stupid beyond belief, So Loose cannon lets go into some details here cos I would love to see your sorry ass trailing dust in 50 degrees heat in baghdad or helmand, lets hope dubbya’s finest hour is pushing through compulsory service for mid western idiots like you.
So to summarise… this is how evil the regime is and why its responsible for the direct and indirect misery, death and coersion to hundreds of thousands of lives which will compound itself into the millions within years.
Oil – High prices due to demand of US china, India, EU, Russia stock piling kerosene, diesel and low grade petrol, why you may ask????? oil and the banking system thrive on each other, the higher the price the more the lesser well off countries need to borrow and the rich get richer, the banks lend the money and end up owning lesser economies, the US practically own the oil in iraq, the most powerful oil companies are american also america needs to compete in the future with a very oil and gas rich russia, who’s might is about to be let loose on the world.
Heroin, Cocaine – Afghanistan is currently the hot bed for illegal drug trafficking whereby not only are the feudal lords governing the provinces coining it in but so are the armed forces hierarchy and your good ole senators and statesmen, they need the drug trade to flourish, reasons why..the answer is two fold, there is no war on drugs, never was, and never will be, its all fear and control based plus the level of corruption in drug trafficking is so high because there is too much money at stake and if your a drug baron needing to distribute your products you need friends in high places, there is the token haul but that is just for perception to the public to enforce the fear factor and that your loving government is brilliant in crime prevention. Afghanistan is the biggest producer of opiates in the world.
Iraq, banks, governments need oil prices high so the war in iraq will never end, why cos the poorer countries will need to borrow large sums of cash just to buy enough to keep the electricity on, look at the oil corruption in nigeria, cant just blame the local government its the oil companies doing it, fuelled by government pressure and keeping in alignment with the banks needs, also take a look at any oil company, theres a statesman on the board of every single one.
Iran, pending war of doom, reasons why.. the west needs a pipeline before the chinese get it. there is no nuclear threat from iran, it would need to buy the nuclear arms from the russians, yet this is so much a possibility that this is another reason why the war will happen. the problems in kurdistan and western pakistan is another sign post to the pending war.
domestic policies that dubbya and co. loved to spawn on the middle class tax paying servant, do i really need to validate these.
also before i end this lovely discussion….mrs thatcher was evil, loose cannon mentioned the falklands war, a stupid war britain didnt need to enter but the blood thirsty illuminati just wanted to make a point to keep the south americans in line, britain commited many war crimes during that period, they are well documented go find them.It was a dirty war and britain had broken the geneva convention to win that war. Mrs T also gave the banking system in britain too much power this was a precursor for banking power in europe, europe now has the most cash rich banks in the world, the credit crunch proves that point. She also sold off britains jewels in the crown to the private sector, again this was another step towards a harmonized and equal europe. the conservative government was the only party to have eu sceptics that rebelled constantly during the last 25 years making way for tony blair to continue the eu expansion and penetration into the lives of every european.
so loose cannon if i am wrong and you can correct me in a mannerly and respecful way im all ears, but i have a feeling that you will respond to this with profanity, intolerance of opinion and in simple terms BULLYING. Also, i wasnt abused as a child, nor am i a flake or a nut, or anything you tend to accuse people of in previous threads. I would really like you to respond with compelling reasons as to why i am wrong.
Also you dished out some dirt on someone here who likened our beloved dubbya to stalin and pol pot, well believe it or not, the similarities are striking but dubbya hasnt quite got near the body bag count yet, so in my opinion that glorious title of evilness on that level is eluding him, and yes i do agree that previous and definitely the current israeli governments are inherently evil due to their policies in gaza, palestine and alienating the neighbouring arab world and hanging on to the coat tails of the american and european governments to prop up their faltering economy and gifted with free military aid, but you know what the misleading strategy for israel will become more apparent when the invasion of iran happens. Finally, i would like to add rockefeller, roosevelt for the exploitation of the banking system and oil markets, so loose cannon if you have an opinion or hard fact to correct me please please do, i cannot wait!!!
August 11th, 2008 at 7:56 am
i think loose cannon should go on the list, he has erection problems in the morning
August 11th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
yosemite99 – you post here just to wind people up or maybe you are a sad little individual that when you cant argue yourself out of a plastic bag
nitenurse – he has erection problems in the morning
I am honored and deeply touched that so many of my fans on the far-left fringes of the Internet still feel the need to bash me and accuse me of erectile dysfunction. Seriously, thank you.
I know each of you do this because something I wrote somewhere in this forum offended you so deeply you can’t bare to move forward through your lives without some derogatory remark toward my penis or a feeble and poorly focused challenge, which has all the reasoning of ‘Mein Kampf’ but without the hindrances of grammar and form.
I’ve been offered commentary and opinion piece assignments, but alas, my children, my wife, my employment and the rest of my family must take precedent.
I could easily spend all day swatting at the flies that seem to be attracted to forums such as these, and still never be finished. Truthfully, my life is much more meaningful and rich without the bother of scrapping the next insect that floats in here off my screen.
If each of you really believe that Bush is the most evil person in the history of the entire world and deserves a place on this list, or even myself, then you are are so ignorant of history and culture that I can’t possibly help you.
Frankly, I started doing this out of my need for fun when I’m bored and hoped that I added some entertainment into the mix for those reading my posts to enjoy. And to that, according to the many replies I’ve received, I’ve accomplished it.
To you yosemite99 I say, you’re boring and terribly unoriginal. Most of these subjects have already been dissected, but adding the Illuminati as the culprits responsible for the Falkland Island war is, {snicker}, very creative. Keep it up! I’m sure your trolling with eventually snag someone’s interest.
And Nitenurse, I do appreciate your nomination of me for this list. It takes a special kind of crackpot-esqus to think someone you strongly disagree with, but have no personal information about, is among the most evil men in history. And I will always treasure your attention to my penis. Truly you stepped into an area many wise and intelligent people could not bring themselves to cross. Congrats!
Peace to both of you. May you both find some other intelligent, informed, and witty adversary to take up your petty grievances on the current occupant of the White House.
Lots of love!
August 13th, 2008 at 11:09 am
I think list Ruhollah Khomeini and Idi Amin is completely ridiculous . Millions attended the Funeral of Khomenin, and Idi Amin leave the rest of his life peacefully in Saudi Arabia and Ugandan government has a good relation with Saudi Arabia despite that.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:32 am
…doesn’t mean they weren’t evil.
August 15th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Why isn’t Steve Bartman on this list?
August 15th, 2008 at 10:42 am
that’s hilarious! How about Jeffrey Maier?
August 17th, 2008 at 1:57 am
Hey what about those guys who decided to drop Atom bombs on poor innocent Japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945? More than 200,000 people were burnt to ashes in seconds…that is as bad as Holocaust!!
August 20th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Cleartone,
That’s revisionist. In 1944, sensing that an American invasion was inevitable, the Japanese Imperial Government militarized the entire population to resist any amphibious assault and occupation. Since in Japanese culture the Emperor was considered god on earth, many millions would have given their lives defending the Empire.
A commission led by former president Hoover determined that an American invasion would last another 4-5 years and cost at least 400-500 thousand casualties and about 3-4 MILLION casualties. Additionally, any American invasion would likely have destroyed the entire Japanese infrastructure which would result in more death and devastation.
And it must also be remembered, ultimately, that Japan fired the first salvo in a surprise sneak attack that ALSO killed civilians. The United States was right to seek and insist upon Japan’s unconditional surrender which even AFTER the bombs were both dropped, it took the Emperor’s vote to break a tie among the Imperial Command. Simply put the Atomic Bomb, while a device of unspeakable devastation, the likes of which had never been seen, was in fact the lesser of two evils.
And finally, to say that it was as bad as the Holocaust which took nearly 6 million lives and nearly wiped the European Jew from the face of the earth is beyond ridiculous.
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:32 pm
I honestly think none of them should be on this list. Ordering someone to kill 1 million people is less evil than actually executing just one person yourself. Anyone can order, and then just not look at the execution.
Some of the worst serial killers should be on that list instead.
August 24th, 2008 at 10:38 am
YOU AMERICANS ARE SO RETARDED.. YOU’RE ALL MURDERERS, IF BY ‘LIBERATING’ YOU ACTUALLY MEANT ‘BOMBED THE SHIT OUT OF AND ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED’ THEN YOU’RE BANG ON TARGET.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:51 am
you think amin is rediculous? what about the law he passed to make getting money for retrieving dead family members, and then kidnapping thousands of people, in the african culture familys will give all they have to get the body of a loved one back, the rivers in that part of the country used to flow with hundreds of dead bodies daily. not to mention he cut his wifes arms and legs off and sewed them back onto the opposite stumps! regardless how he finished his life he was evil, mengele finished the end of his life peacfully but he was responsible for the medical torture of thousands of children.
September 4th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
This list is stupid. This is hardly a list about evil men, it’s a list about evil people who are ruled by a guy.
September 6th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Some people on here are ridiculous Loose*cough*Cannon*cough*, when good and evil are purely subjective terms, differing in application and definition from one society to another, arguing over who is the most evil is surely a completely pointless pursuit? I think Javed Iqbal should be on the list ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javed_Iqbal_(serial_killer) ), but I’m sensible enough to realize that this is merely my opinion and any attempt on my part to paint my views as representative of objective reality would be the epitome of conceit..
September 14th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Geeeeeezz! did that japanese emperor really rule Japan for that long?!
September 16th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
You forgot to put Antiochus IV Epiphanes on your list. It is said that people still refer to him as the antichrist. Antiochus decided to Hellenize the Jews by ordering the worship of Zeus as the supreme god.This was anathema to the Jews and when they refused, Antiochus sent an army to enforce his decree.
upon seizing Jerusalem his soldiers entered the Jewish Temple and slaughtered a pig, then tried to force Jewish men to eat the pig meat (which is impure by Jewish law). The men refused and the soldiers cut off the men’s hands, feet, and tongues, then scalped the men and burned them alive on the altar of the Lord.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Louis XVI *was* tried, even if Robespierre didn’t like the idea. So it’s inaccurate to say he was “murdered without trial”.
Also, no Gengis Khan? I mean, the mongol invasions killed more than the Black Death in Europe.
Anyway, it’s pretty stupid and anti-historic to rank historical figures for “evilness”. What defines “evilness”, after all? Perversion? Propension to kill fellow men? For instance, take Robespierre. The man personally disliked violence, he just thought that Terror was the thing to do at the time. He wasn’t alone in that, and he even wasn’t the most rabid follower of this (those being the well-named “Enragés”). Ain’t it ridiculous to reduce the French Revolution and all of its complexity to a sentimental matter of evil Robespierre murdering poor Louis XVI?
Or, take Vlad Tepes and Ivan the Terrible. Considering the brutal times in which they lived, their acts may not grant them the supreme evilness this list implies. I mean, one must take into account that Ivan was raised in a castle where he feared to be poisoned any time after the rest of his family had. At a tender age, he was led to witness the brutal torture and slaughter of opposants. How could he not end up being fucked up in a fucked up context like this?
September 20th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Interesting list.
The hypocrisy from some of the posters is astounding, from all sides of the argument too.
I always find that people resort to petty insults and namecalling when their own argument has no legs to stand on.
It is nice to see though, that some people can have reasoned intellectual debates and discussions (not arguments) without behaving like 5 year olds.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
I think Che Guevara should be on this list because of all the people he excuted, then becomes a pop culture icon.WTF
So if i killed a few hundred people, i can get my face on a shirt. (also i understand that it suppose to stand for revolution, but i think you can find some one better)
September 25th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
One wonders where to draw the line… I mean let’s face it… blunders have been made… perceptions altered… invasions happened… wars fought…
C’mon… Junior Bush isn’t exactly the sharpest pencil in the drawer… but his policy advisors do most of his thinking for him anyway… thus it shall be for the next dozen Presidents or more…
But Bush = evil?
In a word, no. Deluded? Most likely… but he’s not evil.
Sure… the American Military has killed a few hundred thousand Iraqi insurgents (civilians are called ‘collateral damage… so they don’t count, I guess…) in the so-called ‘War on Terror’… I mean… c’mon… you’re telling me that the potentially five hundred thousand people killed as a result/aftermath of this “war” were all terrorists or extremists or sympathizers? Get real.
Ah… but does that fault lie on the shoulders of one trained chimp?
Nah. He’s a lot of things… but he’s not evil… ‘easily duped’ tops my list of characteristics… his regime and the few folks in his cabinet pulling his puppet strings? They’d hit this list before Junior would, in my opinion.
Now… if only there were proof that a certain oil company pushed to start a war over oil deposits in Iraq… causing the deaths and suffering of hundreds of thousands of civilians, innocents and even thousands of America’s own military personnel… all for the love of the almighty dollar…
Yeah… I’d call THAT evil.
But keep in mind something:
Think about the atrocities in Abu Ghraib… these were American soldiers who succumbed to the propensity of all humanity to be overcome by a ‘power dynamic’… abuses and inhumane treatment of prisoners… but was it evil?
Cuba’s Gitmo… the same thing happened in the 70’s at the Stanford Prison Experiment… perfectly normal people thrust into extraneous circumstances and turning into ‘bad eggs’…
If you think that you’d be immune to the lure of power and corruption… and NOT do as these perfectly normal people did in those situations… I challenge you to prove me wrong.
Are there people out there that are genuinely evil?
Hell yeah… Jeffrey Dahmer, Clifford Olson from Canada and just about anyone in similar circumstances that showed a similar lack of moral fibre (read: off-their-rockers psychopaths)… these people should probably have been purged from the human race like the cancers they are (or were) and eradicated for the good of humanity…
But wait… my desire to kill these sickos in cold blood to punish them… does that make ME evil? =O
October 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Ronald Mcdonald
October 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Here is why Georeg Bush belongs on the list
1. Causing major conflicts in the middle east that will cause horrors in the future
2. Exploiting the poor and rebuilding the gilded age in America
3. Supporting the horrors going on in China, by allowing us to be their primary buyers
4. Killing over 500,000 innocent people in Iraq
5. Horribly torturing thousands in his prison camps
6. Beginning a juclear arms race with 2 other nations
7. Making our nation completely dependant on oil
8. Allowing American businesses to destroy life in the rainforest, the environment, and the indiginous people
The middle east hates eachother, the US sided with Israel despite their sick way of leading, pissing off the Muslim world. That lead to 9/11. Then, we gave iran and the Saudi’s power by invading Iraq and using oil, now, we hate Iran for nuclear weapons. These conflicvts will continue for years, not to mention torture insuced by GWB and all of the deaths. He belongs on this list.
October 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm
How can anybody want to put Che Guevara on the list. He liberated so much of the world and brought nations into socialism, that’s a hero, he should be on the list of greatest men.
October 1st, 2008 at 9:05 pm
greg: first off, it is debatable that bringing nations to Socialism is liberating. Secondly, why would he be considered evil? Let us look at his very own words:
“Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!”
“We don’t need proof to execute a man. We only need proof that it’s necessary to execute him. A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.”
“He went into convulsions for a while and was finally still. Now his belongings were mine.”
“I’d like to confess, papa, at that moment I discovered that I really like killing.”
October 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Apart from that he was really sweet …
October 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pm
astraya,
What else, to be such a handsome, dashing hero printed on so many innocent little kid’s T shirts?
jfrater,
An in-depth, investigative profile on one of our Chilean public channels turned him up as a really crap miltary planner and actioner too, who usually got his less-than-impressed fellow field commanders into unnecessary tight situations wherever he was; Africa, Cuba, you name it. It seems they used to try to discreetly sideline him if possible. The ironic conclusion was that his only success is as a dead icon. Well, who needed an efficient live Dr Guevara anyway? Personally, I could as well do without the iconic defunct one. A curious note was struck by the Bolivian patrol which trapped and killed him. They seemed to genuinely regret that. The only regret I’d feel would be in having turned the doctor-turned-butcherer into an undeserving martyr.
October 1st, 2008 at 10:48 pm
astraya: I am completely with you on that. Oh – and for the record – he stunk. Literally. No one wanted to sit near him because he never bathed. How apt.
October 1st, 2008 at 11:40 pm
I’ve just been reading about him in the un-namable online open-source encyclopedia, and it mentions that.
The first version of “Evita” has him as a research chemist, developing a pesticide which is going to transform agriculture, and becomming disillusioned when he can’t get funding. That reference was dropped from later versions (it’s hard to sing “O, my insecticide” convincingly, unless, maybe, you’ve won third prize-winner in a national singing competition) and the character “Che” became an Argentinian everyman instead. There’s no mention of a career as a research chemist in the wiki article. Tim Rice was not a historian, and may have made that up. My point is that if he was a research chemist and had developed a revolutionary (ha!) pesticide, he might have done more good in that field (haha!) than as a revolutionary.
Stencil prints of his face and the words “Che lives” appeared around Sydney about 10 years ago. At that stage a politician with the first name “Cheryl” switch parties. Some of the graffiti were changed to “Cheryl lies”. Others were changed to “Cheap olives”.
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:28 am
Does anyone remember a pop song about Idi Amin in about 1976? There are fleeting references online, but I can’t find anything substantial.
Various things I can remember are that it was largely spoken “by” Amin during the verses and sung by a female ?trio during the choruses. Each verse finished “We must give the population something to sing”. He found some fault with one of the singers after each chorus, then there was a gunshot, then each chorus had one fewer singer. Finally, the last verse ended “We must give the population something to hum”.
1) This is bizarre. 2) I am not making this up. 3) Someone please tell me that you remember this, so I can convince myself and others of 2).
October 2nd, 2008 at 3:03 am
I am not making this up!
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=MFeJJAQPiK4
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:19 am
greg – Here is why Georeg Bush belongs on the list
Greg, I have no doubt that you believe everything you wrote. Especially the part about ’supporting the horrors going on in China, by allowing us to be their primary buyers’, even though it was Clinton who successfully lobbied for China to be included in the WTO. And when you wrote “Making our nation completely dependant on oil” you had a point! We were never COMPLETELY dependent on oil before “Georeg Bush”. Before Bush we used gerbils, on occasion.
But your follow up on how Che “brought nations into socialism” was priceless, and truly the icing on the cake. When you define ‘brought’ as mass-murder and torturous detention, you may be right. How could the political prisoners languishing in Fidel’s cells even begin to argue with this line of thought?
I’ve said before, Greg, that there were some moronic and ignorant folks out there. Thank you for providing proof of that.
Cheers!
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:58 am
Greg: the US sided with Israel, pissing off.
Yeah, I guess I could see how backing Israel’s right to EXIST could piss off the Arab world considering they’ve done nothing but try to wipe Israel from the face of the earth since the UN established it in 1949. But I guess that makes the US evil.
Really, idiots shouldn’t be allowed computer access. What the hell is a “juclear arms race” anyway? Whatever they are, I don’t want ‘em. No more jukes!
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 pm
don’t you think it should be Hideki Tojo instead of Hirohito. Hirohito was kinda just a figure head, but Tojo had the real power
October 5th, 2008 at 3:46 am
Are we forgetting rumbsfeld and bush how many different nations lost persons due to this propaganda crap?? coalition troops enemies not just iraq i think this group of polititions should be in the top 6
October 6th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
loose_cannon is a redneck with gud vocab.
October 6th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
It should really be called the most evil men in history…J i think you should make a list of CURRENT or recent most evil men.
October 7th, 2008 at 7:29 am
I find this list very interesting. It seems that the wish our our society (USA) is to move towards Godlessness, but the list is filled with men who are examples of what happens when God is removed from the picture. When you remove accountability, you will find men that are capable of doing anything. I do believe separation of Church from State: you can see how wrongly a church state can go by observing the Muslim nations. But the removal of God from society is chilling.
October 9th, 2008 at 10:30 am
I am a soldier in the United States Army, honestly if you think the Bush administration even closely compares to evil you need your head checked. Whereas we waterboard perveyors of crime and Islamic Jihad, our enemies have captured unarmed civilian reporters and sawed their heads off. And if you think that they don’t want us their, go their. Most of the insurgents aren’t from Iraq, they are from Libya, Saudi, Yemen and Iran funds them, not the citizens of Iraq. So quit bitching about a war you don’t fight, because I’m certainly not.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Ryan,
Well said, soldier. Thank you for your service. There are a lot of people on this board who hide behind the shield of anonymity and false names making broad accusations based on selective memory. It’s easy to apply today’s intelligence to yesterday’s decisions. I don’t think anyone would argue that the war in Iraq has been completely successful. Mistakes have been made and lives have been lost because of it. But it is a quantum leap to go from that admission to the assertion of pure evil.
Silvin,
Nicely stated in your point of the role of God in society. Terrible things have been done in the name of God, but that speaks to the darker nature of man himself and not the role of God. That some have twisted the word of God to justify evil does not validate the claims of many atheists who say the world is better off without God. Read your history: the early days of Red China, Pol Pot in SE Asia, Stalin’s Soviet Russia, the Stasi of East Germany – these were all the result of state sanctioned atheism (among other things).
Evil exists when those in power seek to gain or secure more power for their own sake without the well being of those to whom they are entrusted to lead is considered. At least, that’s my opinion.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Ryan:
I can’t agree (unlike Rhett) with your jingoistic rant. Being a soldier doesn’t excuse you from exercising logic; indeed, it ought to make it more incumbent upon you to think about things from the point of view of a citizen representing your country and your society overseas in uniform.
Now then… by your logic, the Bush administration is not evil because rather than “sawing off the heads” of its enemies, it simply waterboards them. Nice. In fact, Ryan, neither action is right and neither action is excusable. Both are barbaric and unforgivable. And senseless. Merely because certain restraints are imposed upon one party does not mean that, should those restraints be removed, they would not do as the other party does. If you really are a soldier (as MANY in my family were) then you know how atrocities and crimes are committed by BOTH sides in war. And so you know that it’s quite possible that were restraints removed, we too might be “sawing heads” off with careless abandon. It is not the RESTRAINT that matters here, nor is it the restraint itself that makes one side “better.” It is the WILLINGNESS to adhere to restraint, and to heed it as a demarcation between what is civilized and just and what is not.
But likewise, it is perfectly obvious that there are only matters of degree between waterboarding a prisoner and simply lopping his head off. Torture is wrong as murder in cold blood is wrong. You don’t get a pass because you restrained yourself from chopping heads, but opted instead to torture.
As decapitating a prisoner is purely evil, it is also, likewise, the EMBRACE of torture as a sanctioned action that is evil.
This is opposed to the horrible things that often happen, in the passion of things, during war—which is a different kind of evil.
Moreover, don’t tell me not to “bitch” about ANY war that my country prosecutes, Ryan. It’s not only my RIGHT to complain about that war—it’s my RESPONSIBILITY as a free citizen of a democracy to do so, if I feel that war is injust, stupid, pointless, and/or a waste of our resources.
YOU may maintain that the citizens of Iraq want you there; (perhaps so, I don’t doubt this is possible–but evidence also contradicts it to a certain extent) but these aren’t the things that decide whether a war was CORRECT in the first place or not. WINNING a war doesn’t make it right.
Now… you imply that you’re in Iraq or have been there. I thank you for serving, certainly. But if you were going to serve, then the place where you BELONGED was Afghanistan, crushing the enemies that actually perpetrated the attack against us and were and are willing to carry out others. But where are these enemies? Still there, in Afghanistan and in the mountains of Pakistan. The Taliban is strong enough, today, to still wield influence over parts of the country. That is RIDICULOUS.
Ranting jingoistically about Iraq doesn’t alter reality.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Randall,
I will agree with you on the “bitching” comment. As Americans, we are entitled to our opinions. That said, yours has been among the most lucid and well thought out on this board.
To be honest, I don’t know where I sit on the specific issue of waterboarding. That’s in part due to the fact that the intelligence community is split on the issue. On the one hand, it doesn’t cause any physical harm. On the other hand, neither does holding an unloaded pistol to a detainees head. In either case, the subject feels as though they’re about to die or that there’s a chance of death.
Unfortunately, we don’t live in a world of black and white. There are those who exist in those shadowy gray areas and they have to make choices that I simply cannot fathom. To quote Colonel Nathan Jessup in A Few Good Men, “Deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You NEED me on that wall.” But putting aside the specific issue of whether this is torture or not, we have to judge on whether those using these methods – or rather those who authorize the ues of these methods – are evil. Since President Bush is not trying to wipe a race from the face of the earth or achieve world domination, then I have to conclude that he’s not evil. It doesn’t mean that everything he’s done has been right, because as I clearly stated in the last post, I don’t believe that to be the case at all.
But again, your point regarding the expression of one’s opinions is well stated. And valid.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Rhett:
Well, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I actually had written something else to you, but for some reason it wouldn’t post. If it does so, you can ignore it and instead address yourself to this comment instead.
I certainly do not ascribe to Bush or even the hated Cheney the level of “evil” that I would freely ascribe to a Josef Stalin or a Pol Pot or a Mao, or their ilk… or to other, right wing dictators who are also too numerous to mention. But evil comes in degrees and in many masks. Bush’s evil is perhaps evil by stupidity, arrogance, and other factors, rather than evil by sheer wantonness. But he has the taint of evil about him nonetheless.
At any rate, the threat of physical torment, the actual appliance of that torment, or the threat of death itself are all forms of torture in my book, Rhett. That makes waterboarding torture. I would have thought this was rather obvious.
Couple things from your previous post though, copied from the comment I mentioned, that didn’t show up:
“…making broad accusations based on selective memory.”
Well, Rhett… I wonder what “selective memory” you’re referring to. The Bush administration made REPEATED assertions that they had good and supportable reason to attack and invade Iraq (while thus neglecting Afghanistan, where our ACTUAL attention should have been). In fact we now know for a fact that the Bush administration–and Bush himself–knew that there were no such supportable reasons. This was a deliberate falsehood, perpetrated by the administration.
You also said: “It’s easy to apply today’s intelligence to yesterday’s decisions.”
TODAY’S intelligence is only peripherally relevant. It was, in fact, the intelligence of the TIME that said there WAS NO justifiable reason for invading Iraq.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
The selective memory to which I refer is that people forget that most credible sources, and even President Clinton has stated this, felt that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. He had used them on both Iran and his own people and had threatened Israel with them. That was the justification. “[T]he intelligence of the TIME,” as you put it, was that they had WMDs in secret stockpiles. That’s what was presented to the UN. It’s the same intelligence that House and Senate committeemen saw. It was the belief that WMDs were there that provided the justification. The fact that you neglect to remember that point proves my point about selective memory.
The reason for the war has changed, however, from one of removing a dictator with the ability to manufacture and the willingness to use WMDs to one of creating a stable democracy in the Middle East. Perhaps I didn’t communicate this as effectively as I had intended. Or perhaps this is simply a point where we’ll have to agree to disagree.
To put it another way, should we label JFK and LBJ as evil men because their intelligence was incorrect in Viet Nam. The Domino Theory was the prevailing intelligence doctrine of the day, although we now know that the threat of Communist world domination was greatly overstated.
As for Afghanistan, I don’t believe any of us have the full picture of what’s going on there. However, the fact that several threatened attacks have been thwarted I think speaks to the successes of the Bush administration. I voted for Bush twice, but I am also even handed enough to realize his mistakes. My biggest beef with the left is that they refuse to acknowledge his successes. One recent example of that is the recent distortions by Nancy Pelosi in the wake of our current financial crisis. Bush warned about the deregulation and the inherent dangers within six years ago but the Democrats blocked efforts at reform. Pelosi is now putting all of this on Bush’s shoulders and ignoring her party’s role in this mess.
OK, so that’s a discussion for another topic. I’ll simply close by reiterating that evil is a very strong word which is being bandied about pretty loosely and without much thought of consequence. All I’m saying is that it’s possible to disagree without branding someone as the anti-Christ.
So… what about that Robespierre, huh?
October 10th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Rhett:
You’re slipping into a HUGE fallacy here, which to me sounds like it’s entirely motivated by partisan politics, since you seem to wish you could drag Bill Clinton into this to share some of the blame for Iraq. It’s rubbish. Bill Clinton wasn’t president when we invaded Iraq; Bush was. And the statements made by Bush and his people at the time were that they had *intelligence* that indicated that Iraq was developing WMDs. Mere “belief” is not “intelligence.” Whether Clinton claimed to have such “intelligence” is irrelevant to this discussion—HE did not start up a war in Iraq. Bush did.
The Bush administration then pushed this issue, maintaining that the intelligence was reliable and could be trusted–EVEN to the extent that some of it was of such a sensitive nature that it could not be shared openly and publicly because sources would then be compromised. THIS is the very argument the administration presented to the American people and to congress–and wishing to give the administration the benefit of knowing what it was talking about on such an issue, congress acceded to the war.
It has long since been known, however, that the Bush administration IN FACT deliberatly lied, confabulated, and distorted what LITTLE intelligence they in fact had—MOST of which contradicted the VERY conclusion they were trying to force down our throats–namely, that Iraq had or was about to get WMDs.
There is no “selective memory” about this WHATSOEVER. The only selective memory, it appears, is YOURS. The ACTUAL intelligence AT THE TIME was that Iraq DID NOT have WMDs and was not developing them. The Bush administration then turned this almost 180 degrees around to claim that they did. (The Downing Memo ALONE confirms this, but it is not the only evidence.. there’s a mountain of it). Period.
So don’t give me this crap about “selective memory.” You need to examine your own.
Bush’s intelligence was not “incorrect.” It was CONFABULATED DELIBERATELY. THAT is the difference between the Bush administration and that of Kennedy and Johnson—though I would say the distorted facts about the Gulf of Tonkin pushes Johnson’s administration a bit closer to the Bush end of things on this question.
You don’t believe any of us has the “full picture” of what’s going on in Afghanistan? You need to open your eyes wider and accept some simple, blunt facts. FIVE years of neglect and insufficient resources is what’s going on there. Resources, time and energy that have been spent needlessly and wastefully in Iraq. PERIOD. You’re going to tell me that a few “thwarted attacks” point to SUCCESS? THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANYONE ON THE OTHER SIDE LEFT TO ATTACK. The Taliban and Al Qaeda should have been CRUSHED in Afghanistan (or at least, to the extent that Al Qaeda COULD be crushed, seeing as it was not based solely there).
Rhett, you’re nothing but a Bush apologist. Give it up. Because facts and truth will always easily poke right through thin lies, and the ones you have to tell to support your position here are so tissue thin as to be transparent. The mere fact that you actually VOTED for that bullying, inept, incompetent, arrogant, stupid (and yes, I DO mean stupid) sorriest excuse for a president we’ve had IN MY LIFETIME (including Nixon) TWICE is indication that you are NOT, in fact, a “clear thinker” when it comes to him—rather, you’re simply a party hack who is so caught up with despising the “left” that you can’t face that there HAVE BEEN NO SUCCESSES from the Bush administration. I would challenge you to point to ONE. ONE.
You are DISTORTING the facts about Bush’s so-called “warnings” about deregulation. I don’t have time to go into it now, I’m due in a meeting… but this is ridiculous… it’s downright propaganda, and poor propaganda to boot, as it hasn’t a leg to stand on, even an imagined one.
Sorry, I hate jumping on somebody this early in the morning… but this kind of blind allegiance to Bush and what he’s stood for has got to stop. You need to wake up to being a citizen of this country and accept that your choice was WRONG, twice. Face it like a man and live with it. And accept that a lot needs to be done to repair the damage.
October 10th, 2008 at 6:54 am
It’s so funny that it’s always the other guy who is purely partisan while our own beliefs come from a place of truth and enlightenment. I’m not apologizing for Bush’s presidency. I don’t think an apology quite does it. Much has gone wrong and it goes right to his choices and the people he surrounded himself with. I won’t apologize for believing what I believe and, like you, I don’t have time to explain nor do I feel the need to defend my positions fully on an anonymous board. However, I’m going to be objective enough to admit that neither one of us is objective. Am I partisan? Maybe that’s a fair accusation, but it’s going both ways. I, at least, have made an attempt (flawed though it may have been) to point out examples on both sides of the aisle. Your position places all the world’s problems squarely on the shoulders of George Bush and that’s just intellectually lazy.
It’s clear that neither one of us will convince the other, which is usually the case in these types of “discussions.” Heck, I only came on here in the first place to point out that Bush ain’t Idi Amin. Respond if you like. Take the last word. I’m out.
For what it’s worth, I have enjoyed the exchange. I just don’t think there’s much more to be gained and I don’t want this to devolve into a pissing match. Not saying that’s where you would take it, but I know that I’m immature enough to go there.
October 10th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Rhett:
I called you partisan because it’s simply impossible to be otherwise and actually defend the Bush administration’s policies in regards to the Iraq war (or in regards to anything else for that matter, but that’s another story). And you HAVE defended them, from your words both to me and to Ryan.
But let’s turn to another point… this business of claiming that I’ve placed “all the world’s problems” on Bush’s shoulders… and then calling me “intellectually lazy.” Ah, but you see… I didn’t do that. Not in the least. I place the problems Bush caused on his shoulders. I do not add irrelevant ones. He has plenty to carry. YOUR statement, rather, is a cheap tactic, the point of which is to try to discredit what I’ve said. Nice try, but it won’t wash. Bush is responsible for what he is responsible for. I add nothing to that list, nor do I subtract from it.
The thing is, this SHOULDN’T devolve into a pissing match. Back in the days when I was a conservative, Rhett, I had the honest and confidence to admit when I was wrong, to admit when my party and the politicians I felt aligned with had done wrong. I came to admit the mistakes that Reagan had made, and Bush Sr. after him. I came to admit the gross errors made by Newt Gingrich and his fellows, and the thug-like behavior they often exhibited. I came to see that sometimes the Left is correct. There must be a balance in philosophy–not one philosophy overriding all others.
But in any case, I would have been there admitting that Bush had been wrong all along, and that he represented a bankrupt political and economic philosophy. It’s time to change gears and re-evaluate. Not hide heads in the sand or hide behind jingoism. I am no “left-winger.” I’ve been on both sides of the political fence. I don’t call myself anything now; I’m independent and I make my political judgements based on well-researched knowledge, a well-cultivated sense of right and wrong, facts, and a sense of balance.
October 10th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
wow! i can see a lot of “real intelligent” argument going on here.
And yeah,Bush and all the “liberation army” of his should be on the list.
October 10th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
The fact that they put imam khomeini’s name on this list and Saddam who gased his own ppl and killed more than 1 million iraqi’s and 300,000 iranians is missing shows which asshole motherfucker has prepared it. Khoemini killed at the most 5000 among them terrorists backed by us who spied for Iraq during the war. Now whoever spies for enemy during war is executed everywhere. Khomeini liberated Iran from asshole piece of shit american bums and israeli mother fuckers, where is Sharon the butcher on this list you fucking hypocrit bastards where is bush on this list you cocksuckers
October 10th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Well, as an Iranian who hates any theological or ideological government, I am not a fond of Khomeini but I am surperised that you have listed him here beside people like Hiltler and Attila!!!!
In that case, Bush and Blair and Olmert should be on the top.
The number of people killed during 1986 is unknown and there are different numbers from 5000 to what you mentiond here. Also you also need to clarify that most of those prisoners who were executed in this event were members of MEK, a terrorist group who didn’t mind killing civilians by exploding boms. They even joined Saddam Hussien fighting back their own country and killing their own people during the 8 years imposed was of Iraq over Iran
October 10th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Who kills many humans in Hiroshima with one bomb?
October 10th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Every body knows the Hiroshima and Nagasaki murderer!
Every body Knows if any war occur, the world will be atomically bombardment thousand times by the HUMMAN RIGHTS DEFENDERS, who have thousands ATOMIC BOMB!
Please DONOT give the people WRONG ADDRESS!
This list has prepared by SATAN!
Please refer it to hell and resort it!
October 10th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
there is not name of Saddam Hossein (Iraq)!!!!
October 10th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
there is not name of murderer of people in Hiroshima and Nakazaki as nomber one of this list.
also. there is not name of goverment of ISRAEAL. the men dont forgt killing of many people !!!!!
October 10th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Why Khomeini is in the list? You should improve your knowledge of the recent world affairs. I wonder why you haven’t accidentally mention Jesus or Moses!!
October 10th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
i am a doctor in iran.i am not religious and i am not political. iwas borned 2 years after the revolution.and i was about 8 when khomeini died.you can’t believe how much the iranian people love him.he was the man of god.believe me brothers i even do not pray the allah as they say in iran but surely i can swear to jesus god and jewish god (every god you pray ) that khomeini was not cruel and the writer of this lecture not only doesn,t recognize khomeini but also has forgotten SADDAM HOSSEIN the most common terrorist of the world.where is chaney and bush in this ranking?where is Bin ladan and alQauidi? believe me that the writer didn’t save the justice!!! i am a doctor and my IQ is 140 and i tell you I love Khomeini…
October 10th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
where is israel government in this ranking ???they are killing tousands of palistinians every day in the name of freedom and democracy…bullshit!!! i give you the list…every one who accept my list only write : Bingo!!!
1-George W Bush (the butcher and the mad!)
2-Dick Chaney