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In the last decade the pitbull was seen as the badest, meanest breed of dog. Wrong! There are dogs that will wipe the floor with any breed of pitbull you can get. But that’s not the point here. A 30 kgs pitbull can be easily put down by a man who doesn’t fear dogs… but how about a 100 kg Caucasian Shepherd? So, if you want your home defended, here is a list of the Top 10 Badass guard dogs.
10. The German Shepherd
This breed has a personality marked by direct, fearless willingness to protect human children. The dog must be approachable, quietly standing its ground and showing confidence and willingness to meet overtures without itself making them. It is poised, but when the occasion demands, eager and alert; both fit and willing to serve in its capacity as a companion and watchdog.
9. Doberman Pinscher
Doberman Pinschers are, in general, a gentle, loyal, loving, and highly intelligent breed. Although there is variation in temperament, a typical pet Doberman attacks only if it believes that it, its property, or its family are in danger. According to the US Centers for Disease Control, the Doberman Pinscher is less frequently involved in attacks on humans resulting in fatalities than several other dog breeds such as pit bulls, because they can be trained to restrain an unwelcome intruder but not kill him. The breed was used extensively by the U.S. Marines in World War II, and 25 Marine War Dogs died in the Battle of Guam in 1944: there is a memorial in Guam in honor of these Doberman Pinschers
8. Rottweiler
In the hands of a responsible owner, a well-trained and socialized Rottweiler can be a reliable, alert dog and a loving companion. However, any poorly trained dog can become a danger in the wrong circumstances. The Rottweiler is a steady dog with a self-assured nature, but early socialization and exposure to as many new people, animals, and situations as possible are very important in developing these qualities. The Rottweiler also has a natural tendency to assert dominance if not properly trained. Rottweilers’ large size and strength make this an important point to consider: an untrained, poorly trained, or abused Rottweiler can learn to be extremely aggressive and destructive.
7. Pyrenean Mountain Dog
The Great Pyrenees (Pyrenean Mountain Dog) is a capable and imposing guardian, devoted to his family, and very wary of strangers. Males weigh in at about 100-160 pounds (45-73 kilograms), and when not provoked it is calm and somewhat serious. Courageous, very loyal, and obedient, devoted to family even if self-sacrifice is required. During World War II the dogs were used to haul artillery over the Pyreneean Mountain range to and from Spain and France.
6. Greater Swiss Mountain Dog
The Greater Swiss Mountain Dog is a large, muscular, tricolour (black, rust, and white; typically with a white blaze) dog. Males should weigh around 60 – 70 kg the height is 65 – 72 cm at the shoulders. Swissies have a very strong pack instinct. They are protective of their family and training is important for them to learn their place. They want the pack to be together and gets distressed when a member wanders off.
5. The Moscow Watchdog
After World War II, breeders in Moscow wanted to create a watchdog that would be particularly receptive to spoken orders. They took the Caucasian Ovtcharka (caucasian shepherd) – possessing wariness and ferocity, and the Saint Bernard – a larger breed with a gentle temperament, and now, over fifty years later, the Moscow Watchdog possesses the mental and physical attributes desired by the original breeders.
4. Boerboel
The Boerboel, the only breed of dog solely and specifically bred to defend the homestead. The dog should give the overall impression of immense substance, strength, power, and physical ability, and should be able to more than amply demonstrate this in his day to day work. Boerboels are a very dominant but intelligent breed, with a strong watchdog instinct. They are self-assured and fearless, but responsive to the needs of the family displaying an intuitive ability to sense if the family is in danger. Like other large dogs with a strong guard instinct, the Boerboel needs to be watched around strangers always, and introduced to friends and other dogs early on to avoid aggression, and like all dogs should never be left with young children unattended.
3. Argentinian Mastiff
The Dogo Argentino or argentinian mastiff, is a large, muscular and athletic white-coated dog with an unusual history. They are excessively tolerant of children due to their high pain tolerance, derived from selective breeding to be big game hunters. They are protective of what they perceive as their territory and will guard it without fear against any intruder. The minimum height for the male is 62 cm (24.3 inches).
2. Cane Corso
The Cane Corso is a medium-large guard dog native to Southern Italy. Its stable temperament and powerful body make him particularly valued as a guard dog and protection dog. Traditionally, rural Southern Italy has always used this rustic type of dog for the hunting of big game and for guard and protection work. These dogs were known under various regional names: Vucciuriscu (or Bucciuriscu) in Sicily, Cane della masseria in Puglia, Cane da Macellaio (Butchers Dog). The official FCI standard calls for dogs to stand from 60-68 centimeters at the withers (23.6-26.7 inches).
1. Caucasian Shepherd
I’m a dog owner and breeder, and I tell you, if you have a place (house, yard, facility) to protect, This is the dog you need. Excessive softness or vicious temperaments are considered serious faults for the breed some say, but if you really want the bigest, meanest dog around, he’s the one. This breed is very rustic and adapts quickly to every climate. The Caucasian Shepherd is well adjusted and active. However, he is highly suspicious of strangers, and he may become aggressive.
Bonus Dog: The Wolfdog
The Wolfdog. Half wolf, half some large shepherd breed. Vicious, hard to train, eats a lot, not very a very loving pet, but who would dare break into your home when you got wolves in the back yard? The dog pictured above is a Wolf-German Shepherd cross.
Contributor: Yaurt
This article is licensed under the GFDL because it contains quotations from Wikipedia.
November 13th, 2007 at 6:55 am
I’ve only heard of the first 3 of those breeds haha
I always thought the rottweiler was the nastiest
November 13th, 2007 at 7:00 am
I have to say I don’t like the look of most of these!
November 13th, 2007 at 7:09 am
Where’s chihuahuas? The nastiest dogs I have ever met, the ones that will attack without warning and guard whatever they feel is important with their lives have all been small, spoiled, yippy chihuahuas and yorkies. All the major dogs you just listed have been the biggest teddy bears… though they are also big and formidable looking and guard however they’re trained to guard, it seems that due to their size they perhaps go through more training than some little piss dog that gets spoiled rotten by an idiot suburbanite princess.
November 13th, 2007 at 7:29 am
Laura: heh you seem to have a very strong hatred of chihuahuas – have you had a bad experience?
November 13th, 2007 at 7:44 am
I had a Lhasa Apso once that hated everyone, and especially the bottoms of furniture… nasty thing.
November 13th, 2007 at 7:46 am
I believe I have the most bad ass breed. His name is Vader and he lives up to it. Even if he is a mixed breed.
He is a Rottweiler(#8) a fighting dog and Shar-Pei (See Below) a war dog .The Shar-Pei is known for being a naturally independent and reserved breed. Shar-Peis are often suspicious of strangers, which is related to their origins as guard dogs. Nevertheless, the Shar-Pei is extremely devoted, loyal and affectionate to its family, and is amenable to accepting strangers given time and proper introduction. If poorly socialized or trained, it can become especially territorial and aggressive.
Even friendly and well-socialized individuals will retain the breed’s watch dog proclivities (such as barking at strangers). Chinese Shar-Pei were originally bred for fighting in China. Whilst this breed is adorable it is also very protective of its home and family, a powerful dog that is willing to guard its family members at all costs. The breed is amenable to training, but can get bored from repetition. Overall, the Shar-Pei is a dog that is loyal and loving to its family while being very protective & independent.
(Wikipedia)
He is a blessing to my family. Friends and strangers alike will not come to my home. I have to go to see my friends else where but it is worth it to feel so safe.
November 13th, 2007 at 8:00 am
Who ever composed this list is not all that familiar with dogs. There is no breed of dog that can wipe the floor with a pitbull. do some research. You want the best guard dog out there get a Fila Brasileiro. Rottweilers are a working dog , like a Doberman , Bullmastiff etc.they are not a fighting dog, they are far from the top of the tough dog food chain. I have a book on fighting dogs and they wanted to dispell the myth of how tough Rotties are. The searched high and low for the toughest Rottie they could find and it happened to be in Puerto Rico. It was matched against a Bandog and was whipped quickly and thoroughly. ( I detest anyone who lets dogs fight by the way , but I do love most fighting breeds. I have owwned a Fila Brasileiro and an American Bulldog.
November 13th, 2007 at 8:01 am
Wow. Can I just be the first to say that training goes above and beyond ANY breed characteristics? Personally, Clues, I think you should feel ashamed to have a dog that your friends will not go near. Your dog is clearly poorly trained and not at all in tune with your body language. Dogs are very sensitive animals and can, if trained and conditioned, pick up on your body language towards someone who is unwelcome in your home, or be very friendly towards someone who is welcome. I beleive the best guard dog is one who is completely under control of the owner, yet has the bulk to get the job done, which is I think the only thing you can consider when writing this list. Besides, I hardly can think of a situation outside of law enforcement where having a dog trained to attack would be useful to own. Burglars? Not so much. My dogs go nuts if my mother tickles my brother and he yells…imagine what would happen if they smelled fear and distress! They may be just labs, but they can certainly be intimidating under the right circumstances and I have seen it myself.
November 13th, 2007 at 8:31 am
Laura: Amen! Chihuahuas, yorkshires, pekineses, even cockers, have a good reputation in our societies, but are actually the most vicious, resentful and fanciful of them all… It’s quite difficult to give them the appropiate education. It’s like a natural defense method: “I am small, so I will bark louder than any other”
Bigger dogs usually (usually, not always)are more loyal, protective and loving.
Stoney Berke: You are right, though Pit Bulls may be smaller than most of the dogs above, they are pure muscle and agility. And, above all, when a pitbull keeps its bite, there is no way on earth to make it release it. Just waiting for it to get tired
The Fila Brasileiro has been bred for fights for generations, it’s in its instinct, so it has a less protective behaviour. Anyway, it is practically painless, so if you fear being attacked, this is your dog
November 13th, 2007 at 8:34 am
I am not ashamed at all. He is sweet and loving to my family and his Vet. other than that he is happy to have a job and I feel safe that he takes he job seriously. He is trained the way I like him. He is my sons best friend. I would take him over a body guard any day. I muzzle him for walks just so the public is always safe. I am a responsible dog owner. I also have a sweet small lap dog that adores everyone. She is his best friend.We did not train them differently His aggressive behavior comes from his breed and I appreciate him for who he is, but make sure I always have the upper hand. When I wrestle around with my kid Vader cheers us on and has fun with the family.
November 13th, 2007 at 8:36 am
I am scared of all of these dogs. A lot. I’ve owned a beagle that was pretty bitter and grouchy and he took on a Rottie once. That Rottie had a sore leg for a while. Big dogs make me nervous regardless of how they’re trained.
November 13th, 2007 at 8:44 am
I used to have a pinscher. He was awesome. Got him when he was a bit older and already trained as a junkyard dog. He learned quickly to love me and let me sit within his ring quietly. I also had a rotti. He was an awsome dog. So lovable but so mean when needed (and loved to eat our chickens). Now that I don’t live with my parents, I would like to have a mini pinscher.
I know…. shut up
November 13th, 2007 at 8:48 am
You forgot the Irish Wolfhound, the biggest breed there is. It could simply take out a pitbull by lying down on it: http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images15/IrishWolfhoundFrankBrendan.JPG
November 13th, 2007 at 8:50 am
Every breed of dog can be trained to be either a vicous killing machine or a cuddly teddy bear. Some is inherited, I’m sure, but mostly it depends on the owner.
Our family and neighbours have 3 dogs; a German Shepherd, Golden Retriever and a Chihuahua. The Shepherd wouldn’t harm a fly. In fact, he’s often seen cuddling with our cat (when said cat is in a good mood, that is
) and he hasn’t even been castrated. I once dropped a pound of frozen meat on his head, and he jumps up and starts licking me in the face.
The Chihuahua on the other hand… If I see it while walking on the street, I keep my distance and often I decide take another route. That damn thing attacks anything that comes within 10 meters; he nearly bit my finger off once.
The Retriever (our dog) is kinda inbetween. He has the ability to wipe the floor with almost anything (he took on a Pitbull once and tied) but most of the time he’s a cuddly furball.
Then there’s our cat who goes for the eyes when he’s in a bad mood – unprovoked. :-S
November 13th, 2007 at 8:51 am
Kelsi, I agree completely. Training and conditioning are the most important factors in a good guard dog. Of course, size helps.
I have a Dutch Shepherd named Minerva. She’s only 30 kg (65 lbs.), not huge, but big enough to be a handful. Originally, the breed was a herding dog, but part of herding a flock involves guarding the flock.
It’s no surprise that this breed is commonly used by law enforcement or as high priced guard dogs. It’s amazing, an uber-trained Dutch Shepherd can cost 10’s of thousands of dollars.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/dutchshepherd.htm
November 13th, 2007 at 8:52 am
Akitas are great watchdogs too. Very protective and intimidating.
November 13th, 2007 at 8:56 am
This one sure is a bad ass mf..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogue_de_Bordeaux
Anybody who’s seen Turner & Hooch would know…
November 13th, 2007 at 9:04 am
Irish wolfhound… Awwww! I want one! ^^
That breed is often used in hunting to scare wild boars…
Common mastiff is pretty big too, and if it’s given love and a good education, it can make a sweet little bunny look vicious
A relative of mine once had one, when I was a kid I used to sit on its back and ride it along the backyard, it was cool
November 13th, 2007 at 9:10 am
I though about making the list bigger, like top 50
…but i still wouldn’t include the pitbull! 
guess i just have a problem with them.
And very true, training is everything on a dog.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:13 am
I have Anatolian Shephard Dogs, a livestock guardian breed from Turkey, simular to the Great Pyr’s. I live in Alaska and my pair have protected me from a brown bear attack (the bear decided to leave after confronting the dogs), from a pick up truck full of “young guns” (who decided the dogs would be too much trouble), from a vicious stray dog (who won’t be attacking anyone else) and other various wild things. And yet both are just big teddy bears. In Turkey and other places around the world they protect livestock from the area’s predators. They are being used in Africa to protect against lions, hyenas, etc.
Tell me a chihuahua could do that…
November 13th, 2007 at 9:15 am
My former neighbor had a wolf cross and that thing was a a superfly TNT mushroom cloud layin mofo. It was close to 4 feet tall. It didn’t have a nasty temperment, although it did yank my glove off one time when I was feeding it when the neighbor was out of town. The glove became shreds a few seconds later.
It was more curious than anything, but very intimidating. When that monster looked at you with interest, it was time to change your shorts. The city animal control folks found out about it and made the owner put it down – no wolf mixes were allowed in town. Kinda sad, but that was one scary beasty.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:31 am
yes love my chocolate labs they are great watch dogs very loving to anybody and know when to be aggressive trained to the tee
November 13th, 2007 at 10:06 am
Remember that the bigger the dog, the shorter the life span. That giant Irish Wolfhound might live 8 years if you’re lucky. I don’t think I’d want to own anything larger than a Border Collie.
The exception to the rule is the wolf, that can live 15 years or longer. I think that’s one of the main reasons that half-wolf breeds are flourishing.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:30 am
I work at a chic doggy hotel on the east coast. some of our customers bring in some pretty badass dogs, now i weigh 180 pounds but iv had rotties, dobermans, ans swissies just have their way with me.
the only thing worse than trying to get past some of these breeds is trying to keep them somewhere against their will.
i have scars
November 13th, 2007 at 10:35 am
I see NO REASON why a family should not have one of these dogs as a guard dog. I think any dog, if treated well by the fmaily as a pup, wiil defend that family. I only wish we didn’t have two cats, I would love to have a dog I can leave with the kids and feel they are protected.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:53 am
The Great Pyraneese is a gentle giant compared to the Kuvasz. I Dare you to look up how nasty these dogs can get. They used to attack German soldiers during WWII when they intruded on their property, and most often the soldiers would shoot and kill them. Eventually they learned how loyal they became and used them as guard dogs.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:55 am
bucslim – i love the pulp reference.
i have had several different breeds during my life but i have fallen in love with my black lab. one of the sweetest dogs i’ve ever met(loves to lay in my lap), strong as a bull (he’s 110 pounds), and barks like crazy when someone approaches the front door. now, he might only slobber on them once they come in. but i dare say that anyone with bad intentions would care to open the door with the bark of an unknown big dog on the other side.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:02 am
The kuvasz is quite an impressive dog but komondors have been reported to attack bears if they venture too close to its sheep and also have the bite to back up the bravery!! 2 or 3 komondors could most likely kill or seriously would a bear… (komondor is a hungarian sheep dog and is also used as a guard dog! dont be fooled by the mop disguise!)
November 13th, 2007 at 11:11 am
DiscHuker
It was also the Guns of the Navarone
November 13th, 2007 at 11:24 am
I personally do not care WHAT dog somebody picks as they’re guard dog, b/c the truth is, when you’ve trained your animal to be there for you when you need it, he/she is. End of story.
The only thing about this that is completly false and founded by nothing but the media, is the wolfdog.
I was raised with two, for thirteen years. They are NOT vicious or hard to train, they really don’t eat that much more than any other large animal, and wolves by nature are social animals.. They’re incredibly lovable to those they know. Anyone who knew my two could attest to that in court.
Get your facts straight.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:37 am
I vote for more dog (or cat)-related lists.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:40 am
I owned a Dobie and she was gentle, beautiful and affectionate.
She was the best protection I ever had because she didn’t need to do anything. Her looks were enough.
Advertising has its benefits. Heh.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
what about a dog? a dog eats it’s own feces.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
I used to have a regular Mastiff when I was growing up. Hw weighed about 185 pounds and was generally friendly and loyal, although he was very stupid. People were always scared to come to our house because he had this loud bark and, of course, he was huge. He had to be put down when he was nine years old because he had bad hips and his digestive tract was messed up, but he was a good dog while we had him.
i don’t mind having a big friendly dog for protection, but I’d be afraid the more aggressive ones would turn on me and try to kill me – like those Rottweilers or Dobermans.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Wow, 34 posts on badass dogs and no one mentioned Cujo.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Stoney ur full of shit,
my German Shepherd Dog got into a fight with a neighbors Pit Bull and kicked his ass. Because what good is a Pit Bull’s teeth if they could’nt get through my Longhaired German Shepherd Dog’s fur? Yea, my dog whiped the floor with him. Pit Bull’s are not invincible.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:39 pm
A little info. for ya. Pitbulls are Not good guard dogs. First, a guard dog has to be loyal to the property/owner. That means it has to have some sort of pack mentality. Pitbulls have never been bred with this mentality, they are for fighting. Second, there is a dog called a Presa Cannary, the Cannary Islands are named for the dogs indigenous to them. These dogs are as large as great danes. A pitbull averages 1600psi biting pressure. Presa Cannary’s average well over 2000psi. Dog trainers have to order specially made arm guards to train them, for the standard guard is easily crushed by their massive jaws. Another thing, they are illegal in the US and are known to be smuggled in by drug dealers. Also, the Argentine Dogo is extremely dangerous and intellegent. They are bred for hunting large cats, panthers and such in the argentine jungles. They follow for weeks, just in sight, and wait for the animal they are hunting to become complacent with their presence, and then attack, to the death. If you ever come across this animal, and it won’t look at you, YOU ARE IN DANGER.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
like i said before i have a chocolate lab and it has also got in to a fight with a pit bull and the pit was my friends dog my lab tore it up my dog got a gash or two but my friend was pissed come on a lab pits are just way over rated
November 13th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
we had a german shepherd and she was the sweetest dog ever.
our dachsund, on the other hand, he’s ferocious! he won’t bite strangers, but he’s eager to pee on them.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
when i was little i always had this dream that a doberman was chasing me.
I always woke up right before he bit me.
German shepards [[well the ones i know]] are really nice…but some are just to scared to do anything lol
November 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
The Caucasian Ovcharka is NOT for the average owner! They are downright dangerous if they’re not handled properly. I’ve been to the part of the world where they originated, and there are very good reasons to breed enormous, vicious dogs. Wolves, bears, Chechen terrorists, robbers….not a nice place. And their dogs reflect the environment.
November 13th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
By the way: Wolves are not “vicious”. They are, in fact, extremely timid, skittish and fearful. That’s why they make dangerous pets. Hybrids can range from calm and sweet to psychotic, and everything in-between. It depends on the breeding and the individual animal. But wolves themselves are “fear-biters.”
November 13th, 2007 at 9:28 pm
I love Rottweilers, and I’d like to have one someday. I grew up with German Shepherds. The first one I had was very sweet, but really strong. My father was playing frisbee with her once and she jumped on him and broke 2 of his ribs. The second one I had we adopted when she was an adult and she’d been abused. She loved me, but she was CRAZY and could be vicious with strangers. We couldn’t take her for walks and we had to put her outside if someone came over. Also, my neighbor had a Doberman who was very sweet and actually kind of stupid, she was a nice dog. So there are my dog stories
It’s so true that the way they’re raised is more important than the breed.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Pitbulls would beat all of those dogs in a fight typically. Though they are smaller, they are very quick and basically are just one huge biting muscle. However, a human, let’s say armed with a knife just so he/she had a chance, would have a much easier time defending beating a pitbull because they are shorter and not heavy enough to tackle you flat out.
My point is that the list of guard dogs includes animals much better than a pit for protecting your home against an armed intruder, but they could not just mop the floor with a pitbull any time. And yes, better training and luck with the individual dog choice will trump breed most of the time.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:25 am
Jake: Lost of people (actually about 5) posted stories about pitbulls gettin’ their asses kicked, even by a lab, who’s not even on the dangerous dogs list (we have this list in romania, and if you want to own some breed from the list, you must have a permiss, just like for a gun), i also saw a German Shorthaired Pointer beat the crap out of a pitbull. I’m not sayin’ pitbulls are pussies, but they are not invincible.
Eric: you’re right, caucasian shephards are pretty wild. I own one, now he’s 3 years old and only three people can get near him. I also have a 5 years Rotti that’s just as sweet as they can get, she sleeps with the cats, and she loves to lick them
November 14th, 2007 at 12:54 am
Oh yeah… Eric. If he wants to eat me, i call it vicious, no matter how friendly he is to others!
November 14th, 2007 at 4:52 am
I had a Rhodesian Ridgeback, that would without a doubt die defending her family. She was very gentle around people she knew, but strangers were wise to keep their distance. The downside to Rhodesian Ridgeback’s are congental spine problems that pops up without careful breeding. The were used in South Africa to hunt lions.
November 14th, 2007 at 5:15 am
Dunfire: Rhodesian Ridgeback dogs are lovely – I had some friends in NZ that had one.
November 14th, 2007 at 6:59 am
wow. whoever wrote this list did the most minimal of research. as a veterinarian technician, i judge each dog on an individual basis.
the best gaurd dogs are ones socialized well with the family and little else. a large breed, such as a Rotti or GSD, can and will be the sweetest push-overs if well-socialized OUTSIDE of the family.
as far as guard dogs go, the Cane Corso, Akita, and Kuvasz are in my top 5. the other 2 breeds that exel at property guarding are the Caucasian Ovcharka, and the Belgium Malanios.
believe it or not, the 2 most difficult patients i ever had to deal with where a Rottwieler and a Springer spaniel. yup. the Rotti was a yard-dog. isolated from it’s family, chained for years, and had an eye injury. he severly mauled me; partly for my ignorance, partly for his owner’s ignorance.
the Springer Spaniel had a condition known as “Rage Syndrome” which is a very rare epilipetic condition that occurs in some Spanielss and Bull Terriers.they just go “psycho dog” for a moment, a glitch in their mind, a random mis-firing of stimuli, and randomly seize and bite anything within reach-be it a human petting it, a corner of the couch, or another animal. Damn inbreeding.
roxy
November 14th, 2007 at 8:43 am
When the list was made, it was only considered the size and ability to take on human atackers. Of course training and the level of socialization are important, but that’s just not the point here.
November 14th, 2007 at 8:54 am
that beggining statement is retarded.it makes pitbulls sound pansey wich is in no way true. ive had 2 pits and they were the best dogs ive ever had and they could destroy most other dogs.and people who think pits are “natural bprn killers” are dumb as hell.pitbulls are the best.german shepards are gay…peace
November 14th, 2007 at 9:12 am
I have a 16-week old Doberman right now and have been training her to do fun stuff rather than guard stuff. Most dogs don’t need to be trained to be protective– as social animals, it’s in their blood to protect the pack. People that train their dogs to be mean (to anyone) are just asking for trouble in my opinion.
Even now, when someone (like the pizza guy) comes to the door, Scout will come sit next to my foot and just keep an eye on things. I didn’t train her to do that, but I can tell that if there was trouble she would try to help. (Though she’s too small right now to really do anything.)
I’m not calling anyone out here, but I have to say that many, if not most people that get a fighting and/or bad reputation breed of dog are studies in immaturity or trying to impress someone rather than finding a loving friend and member of the family.
I grew up with German Shepherds. My best friend had a Dobie. When it came time to get a puppy, we looked at Shepherds, but my wife was allergic to the pups, so we checked out Dobies because I was familiar with them and knew them to be sweet and loving (not mean). The Dobie pups didn’t upset her allergies, so that’s who came home with us.
The problem with ‘training’ agressive behavior into your dog, is that they won’t always know who is a threat or who isn’t. They will bite a burglar, but they might also bite a friend or acquaintance who also just happens to be afraid of dogs. Fear smells the same to them. They don’t speak ‘Human’ so they have no way to discern bad intention from innocent, natural fear.
Look up rescue sites for Dobermans, Shepherds, Pit Bulls, etc, and you will (sadly) find hundreds of dogs that someone paid a lot of money for that had to be gotten rid of because someone decided to turn them into a weapon that they then could not control.
Scout will be the perfect ‘guard dog’ because she is a dog, and because she barks. It won’t be because I exploited her negative attributes.
November 14th, 2007 at 11:23 am
Stizzo …this is my first “mean” post…but i must say it. You really are retarded. You had 2 pits that could DESTROY most other dogs so they are the best ? common…you sound like a 13 years old kid “my dog would beat every dog in the world!” …
And german shepherds are gay ?! Dude!!! What’s the wolrds most common breed used by K9 units ?
And i’m sain’ this for the last time! This list was based ONLY on the ability of a dog to take on a HUMAN atacker, due to it’s size and ( + guard training) protective behavior.
I’m sick of people who think that if they favourite rapper had a pitpull, they must get one because he looks scary and then wants to show off with them to look badass!
7 of the dogs posted here can take on a black bear, and they ussualy do, just like another 30 breeds of dogs, because that’s what they are used for! So don’t you come and tell me that a dog can take on a 200kg black bear (and survive, i’m not sayin that it will kill him) but your 30kgs pitbull is better!
November 14th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
Wow, only one person mentioned the Presa Canario.
In my opinion they are the most badass canine there is. Theye are a breed that needs lots and lots of training as a pup and constant working with even as they get older but are awesome animals. Do some research on them. Next I own two dogs now, first one is a purebreed Rotti @ 100lbs and I also have a rhodesian and Rotti mix @ 95lbs. both are rescue dogs and are the best dogs I have ever had in my family and would not hesitate to take down anyone that they felt were a threat to my wife or me.
November 14th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
Wow… Okay, quick thing; what type of dogs are used for security purposes with companies? And police dogs? And for pretty much any professional service that requires a badass dog? Not pitbulls, that’s all I can tell you. They may be great for kicking other dogs all over the place.. However.. That means next to nothing if the person breaking into your house doesn’t have a dog, which, I can promise you, they won’t. Irish wolfhounds are, as previously mentioned, the largest dog if you just want a scary LOOKING dog… However.. They are actually quite mellow, and, frankly, would be awful at guarding anything, since they are quite easily frightened, and bark quite infrequently.
The list of dogs compiled above is a rather decent one.. I have to say I don’t disagree with any of their choices. Number seven, though, is a bit iffy- I know one of those dogs, my best friend owns one, and he’s the sweetest dog I’ve ever known. Cute, fluffy, and mellow, I don’t think he’d be very good at much other than being a great family pet, and a herding dog.
Anyway, so, my main point here is, though I took a while to get to it, pitbulls are a horrible idea if you’re seriously trying to guard something valuable, even if you trust the pitbull with your life, which, in many cases, I wouldn’t. They’re not very large, they have very thin fur, and not enough muscle mass to take on much more than other dogs and maybe an unarmed person. Most of the dogs listed above could probably take some serious abuse and still get their job done with minimal damage to themselves. A pitbull.. I don’t think so.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:23 am
Thank you Julia
November 15th, 2007 at 9:42 am
to continue my post from above. Also as a testament to the abuse in which a rotti can take. My wife and I were hiking at Nelson Ledges State Park one day and my two year old purebreed rotti accidentally fell down a three foot wide crevass and dropped approx. 25 feet or so into it hit the rocks at the bottom then proceeded to tumble end over end downward for another 30 feet or so. I expected to look over the edge and see a dead dog but to my amazement she was allready back on her feet and trying to climb back up as far as she could. she did not whimper or whine once and was checked by her vet and recieved not one injury, no limping or even tenderness to her body. Hows that for a tough pup!
November 15th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
I have never heard of majority of those dogs. The Caucasian Shepherd has to be the biggest dog I have ever seen in my life. It looks like a small lion.
November 21st, 2007 at 4:47 pm
The comments about a wolfdog are completely off base. As the proud owner of a dog that is 7/8 grey wolf and 1/8 German shepherd, I can tell you that as long as they are brought up right, they are the most loving dogs you could ever imagine. I would not recommend them to most people because they require A LOT of time and attention as well as a good knowledge of the breed. But there is no doubt, they make incredibly loyal companions. Ours sleeps in bed with us every night.
November 22nd, 2007 at 12:25 am
This is just another anti-pit bull website by someone who knows little about the breed. You start off like you are in junior high saying that any of these dogs would “wipe the floor” with a pit bull and that a man who isn’t afraid of dogs can “easily” put down a pit bull. Did you smoke crack before you wrote that? So what exactly are you guarding against – humans or other animals? And what are you guarding, people, a home, open property, livestock??? We don’t know, because you are far too interested in maligning the pit bull breeds, because your dogs are so tough. No, pit bulls won’t attack just anyone who walks onto your property. When they began to be used in dog fighting pits, the dog handlers were in the pits as well, to watch and handle their dogs and even treat the wounds of their dogs. Any dog which showed agression towards humans was “culled” and his/her bloodline ended. Also, just as an FYI, the American Pit Bull Terrier and Staffordshire Terriers were not bred for dog fighting. The were originally bred for the bloodsport of bull-baiting, where a bull was placed in a specially constructed ring and tied to an iron stake so that it could move in an area of about 30 feet. The object of the sport was for the dogs to immobilise the bull. Another type of bull-baiting was “pinning the bull”, where the dogs would be set upon the bull one at a time, with a successful attack resulting in the dog fastening his teeth strongly in the bull’s snout or bringing the bull to its knees. A less common, but similar sport was bear-baiting. So, that man who isn’t afraid of dogs better be a little bigger and stronger than a 1000 lb bull or bear. Idiot. Early Bull and Terriers were bred for the characteristic known as gameness — the dog’s ability to maintain the attack in baiting, despite ripped flesh, dehydration, exhaustion or broken bones. The pitting of dogs against bear or bull tested the gameness, strength and skill of the dog. By the way, today, pit bulls are used for narcotics detection police dogs, Border Patrol dogs, hearing dogs and Search and Rescue dogs because of their tenacity, high energy drive, and versatility. Yep, they are guarding our boarders, that must be why so many illegals are coming into the USA.
November 22nd, 2007 at 1:01 am
deltadoug: you can hardly call this an anti-pit bull website – the are mentioned in one article of 300! You could say this is an anti-pitbull list if you wanted but the author is allowed to dislike them as much as you love them surely?
November 22nd, 2007 at 11:09 pm
Correction – I should have said webpage rather than website. Definitely my bad. As for my bias, it’s not necessarily “for” pit bulls. It’s for keeping the facts honest. The premise that a pit bull is not one of the author’s top 10 guard dogs is fair, and I may or may not agree for the reasons which I previously stated. But I won’t let him just misrepresent facts to support his premise. From personal experience, I actually favor Dobermans as a breed to guard people and property. My Doberman was actually overly-friendly with people and other animals. But his sixth-sense/ability to perceive danger or something wrong was uncanny, and made him the best “bodyguard” I could have ever asked for. Never once did he hesitate to place himself between me and the danger which he perceived. Sure, the author is free to hate pit bulls and/or believe that they don’t make good guard dogs. Just as I don’t trust most Rottweilers and Dalmations around kids. But the bottom line is, the environment in which a dog is raised contributes to about 75% of his or her personality or usefulness (meaning use for a particular job or function). With some hard work and dedication, I can train a Labrador to guard, and train a Doberman to retreive.
November 23rd, 2007 at 12:56 am
I knew people who had a Golden Retriever and a Toy Chihuahua. The Retriever was my buddy, always happy to see me. The Chihuahua, who was slightly bigger than my shoe, wanted to kill, maim, rip me apart. It would stand underneath “my buddy” the Retriever, between his front legs, and act like it wanted to shred, annihilate, and destroy me (ha ha). I think it had an inferiority complex.
November 24th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
what about great danes? they were used to hunt large beasts aswell they are loving loyal very powerful dogs i find them the perfect guard dog for me they are very intelligent mellow yet can be trained to take down a large man with ease
November 27th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Deltadog, I actually think you are on the same page as the author in a way.
I am a long time owner and trainer of American Pit Bull Terriers and they are not the best guard dog.
As you know, Pits are very good with people and especially with kids (often not so great with other dogs). In fact, many bull breed like Pit Bulls are nanny dogs. I would not leave my kids around a Dalmatian or Labrador. And as you said, they are very flexible dogs for many types of jobs.
And what does the fact that a Pit could or could not “wipe up the floor with another dog” have to do with being a guard dog? Nothing. That was just a stupid thing to say.
The author’s statement that Pits were known as the “baddest, meanest breed of dog” does bring up a lot of ignorant assumptions and stereotypes that have passed around about APBTs. Any dog that is abused will turn out vicious. Some just get the notoriety. Maybe he is helping in a way, to disperse the myths.
People are entitle to not like a Pit without being anti-Pit. (I HATE Akitas\-another story.) These people, however, have obviously never known a Pit Bull Terrier and as long as their opinion is not passed on as fact, whatever.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:43 am
JustLoveLa-
i appreciate your attempt to educate people about wolf-dog hybrids! however, i think you are mistaken in your statement “7/8 grey wolf and 1/8 German shepherd”
a wolf dog hybrid is not identified by it’s percentages (of which is a highly unreliable distinction, usually awarded by the breeder or owner to justify the wolf dog’s lineage and therefore personal value)
wolf dogs are identified by their “content”. as in High wolf content (76% to 99% Wolf) Mid-wolf content (51% to 75% Wolf), or Low-wolf content (1% to 50% Wolf ). it is practically impossible to say a wolf dog, other than an F1 generation, is anything greater than a 50% wolf. by the time you are breeding 2 F1 wolf dogs, you are not getting a dog 50% wolf 50% dog because the parents where both 50%. the behavior, physical charecteristics, and personality all contribute to the ‘content” rating, although physical appereance is used most commonly to gauge the “content”.
see this to better understand this:
http://www.wolfdog.ws/html/whatdoesitmean.html
if yu are not so already, please join a local wolf dog owners alliance in your area. we desperately need to educate people about these animals! they are NOT PETS, but they make great companions for the right people!
November 30th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
German Shepherds, in my experience, are great for guarding a house if you have a family. They are usually friendly and have enough of a reputation to keep intruders away.
December 1st, 2007 at 9:06 pm
i dont beleive in dog fighting, but i must say i disagree with the statement about pitbulls,as have some others. pitbulls were bread for one job and one job only, and that is to fight and kill at least half of the dogs on this list. i will agree with the statement that they are not good guarddogs.ive owned a couple and they were good at scareing people when i was home but if left alone they did squat to protect the house.i now have a boxer/lab mix that does a much better job than all of the dogs ive had in the past… funny thing is her name is daisy.lol.she was named before i got her 7 years ago.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:38 am
Just wanted to inject some facts into this discusson, although I am bit late arriving.
This is by no means an accurate list and represents a persons interest in dogs… not a comprehensive assessment of the entire canine family.
Any list which ignores the Tibetan Mastiff, the Akita Inu, the Marema Sheepdog, or the Estrela Mountain Dog in favour of the Swiss Mountain Dog is severely lacking in credibility.
Wolf dogs make terrible guard dogs. By nature the wolf is a very shy and non confrontational creature. Also, to keep a wolf dog the owner must maintain a strong Alpha position, as such the wolf dog will see it as your job to protect it… not the other way around. A wolf dog will bark once and run away – just as a wolf would.
This is not a list of what dog can be beat other dogs in a fight. I have an Alaskan Malamute – a big male who could no doubt get the better of half the dogs on this list. However, no-one in their right mind would try and use a Malamute as a guard dog as they are far too affectionate, playful and downright lazy to be any use.
Please note that most dogs will instinctively fight to subdue or disable an opponent rather than kill. A Pit Bull will fight to kill as this is what it has been selectively bred for since the dog fighting circuit discovered this breed.
American Pit Bulls are extremely tough dogs, and pound for pound they are perhaps the toughest, strongest dogs in the world. But they are not immune to the laws of physics or nature. A 30kg Pit Bull will not survive long against a 100kg Caucasian Ovtcharka. Similarly an armed intruder will have much less trouble against an APBT than against a fully grown mastiff.
I have seen a Maremma sheepdog (50kg) kill a Pit Bull/Staffy cross (30kg). It was in a open park and the Pit Bull cross was running offlead and attacked a Maremma puppy. The puppy owner was also walking a fully grown male Maremma which set upon the Pit Bull and snapped it’s spine in half in less than a second. It simply shook it like a rag doll.
As a police officer I have seen film footage of APBTs torn apart by larger stronger breeds. As a police dog handler I know we have far more trouble dealing with poorly kept and poorly bred Rotties etc. than we do with Pit Bulls. Although the media will do their best to hype up their image. It is no coincidence that most people who argue for the invincibility of Pit Bulls also sound like they are spoilt prepubescent males.
As a guard dog you need an animal that can discern between friend or foe. That cannot be bribed with food. That will release or attack on demand. That will bark to alert it’s owner rather than just attack. You also need a dog which is not a threat to it’s owner, livestock or family. You don’t want a dog which can attack indescriminantly and without warning as Pit Bull breeds are known to do far more than their owners will admit.
Sorry, but just some common sense.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
lol german sheperd rated only 10 thats shamefull the german shepard is a tough ass dog thats why it is youed commonly buy police lol they have the saint barnerds somewhere near the top them dog are gay they may be big but are often discribed as a gentle giant oh yea and another point why is the staff not listed up there they may be samll but like to see any of you take on down if they wanted too they could kick any dogs ass lol
January 5th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
i think kangal r the best guard and tibet mastiff.
January 6th, 2008 at 7:01 am
The person who posted the innacurate information about the “wolfdog” has no clue what they are talking about. No wolf or wolfdog belongs in this “badass-dog” category. They are not guard dogs at all, they are not pet, they are companion animals. You have no right calling them “vicious” and putting them in a category with any dog that is considered “vicious”. Another lie you have posted here is that they are “hard to train”. If you have the time and effort they can be trained exceptionally well.
Personally I would rather live with a wolf/or wolfdog any day than one of the above mentioned dog breeds you have here. Obviously many of your subscribers lack education, don’t know much about dog handling and care, and even less about wolfdogs/wolves that are privately owned. If you want an education, facts and no bull, visit my site before you post anymore misinformation to boost your egos.
Stormy
Stormy
January 9th, 2008 at 10:08 am
my pit bull would eat all those dogs,wipe the floor?
January 9th, 2008 at 10:35 am
my pit bulls mom ripped a labs throat out..bout lab
January 9th, 2008 at 10:45 am
DELTADOUG BEST COMMENT ON THE SITE
January 13th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
I still want the Irish Wolfhound!
January 19th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
The most intelligent comments here were probably made by dumbwolf, though wolves are far from dumb, and a large mckenzie valley/timberwolf alpha male could certainly hold it’s own against about anything. Wolves are not guard dogs, though. As for hybrids I’ve heard good and bad, but to me somehting like an akita/wolf cross is asking for trouble. I know there are exceptions but have read alot of stories about hybrids hurting or worse children. They can be confused animals at times w/ the fear/non-fear of humans and prey drive.
Now, as far as best guard dogs, how can the fila brasilero not be included? Or the Central Asian Shepherd? Or the awesome Kangal? I like Swiss Mtn dogs, but would not have them on this list ahead of the others. As for intensity Malinois are hard to beat, though they aren’t as large as some of the others. For farm protection, the kuvasz, maremma, ovtcharkas, kommondors, akbash, spanish mastiff, and other large livestock guardians are very hard to beat. I wouldn’t want a neo or bourdeaux mastiff after me either. GSDs record speaks for itself, anyone who puts these dogs down is an idiot.
You pit owners need to chill out. There was bite pressure test on tv between a pit, gsd, and rott and the pit finished last. you people make these ridiculous statements about these dogs . they do not have locking jaws, no dog does. A wolf (let alone a hyena) has much, much more jaw strength than a pit. Pits are fought by criminals because they are readily available, cheap to own, and like to do it. If you want to put 50 lb spike in a ring with a 140 lb japanese tosa go right ahead. there are videos out there of pits getting crushed by kangals, tosas, ovtcharkas, akbash, bully kuttas, etc if you’re into that crap. These dogs have been fought for centuries, just because you have not heard of them doesn’t mean anything. So you can quote Semencic and Stratton and all the pit bull cheerleaders with their nonsense if you want. As for the rott/bandog test I’ve often wondered why wasn’t a “dead-game/fastlane/catchweight, blah blah 47 lb pit put against the 100 lb rott instead of a pit test 100 lb bandog. Come on guys, you’re not helping your dog with the pit can outswim a lab, run faster than a greyhound, outsmell a hound. and whip every dog in the neighborhood stuff. Talked w/ someone the other day, and a pit jerked loose and attacked an old man and his chesapeake cross and he bout killed the pit protecting his owner.
January 21st, 2008 at 12:40 pm
When I was little we had a “wolf dog”…only a little wolf though and mostly German Shepherd, great dog!
January 29th, 2008 at 7:15 am
u ever had a pitbull attack you, you seem pretty confident that any man not fearing a pitbull can take them down???most ignorant thing ive heard in a long time, my pitbull would make short work of you, and by the way if u want a bad ass guard dog than you forgot the standard poodle, or did u not know they have been used as guard dogs for longer than most of the breeds you posted. Be more educated when posting something like this.
January 29th, 2008 at 7:19 am
“Talked w/ someone the other day, and a pit jerked loose and attacked an old man and his chesapeake cross and he bout killed the pit protecting his owner.” and this is real strong evidence that pitbulls are pussys….someone always has a story
January 29th, 2008 at 7:22 am
Dr. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, “To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs.
February 7th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
So I should believe you, some stranger, over what I’ve seen, heard, and read for over 20 years, Stevie? What a joke. maybe I should listen to you, Semencic, and stratton’s nonsense about 35 lb pits beating lions? I like my chances against your pit much more than a 160 lb caucasian mountain dog, mr educated. why don;t police or the military use them stevie? this man is a client of mine and a former k-9 trainer for the military stevie, what are you, some thug wannabe? I certainly trust him over you, boy. Good friends of mine have raised pits for roughly 40yrs, and these are top-notch lines. They have also done protection work with pits, american bulldogs, rotts, gsds, malinois, and other breeds. While wearing a full body suit, and working w/ pro trainers, he said the mailinois and shepherd caused him to flag much quicker than the pits and were much more impressive and intimidating. these were imported Czech border patrol dogs and he said there was no comparison between them and the pits. The bite test can be viewed by anyone and by there calculations, your breed finished last, buddy so live with it. they are certainly more credible than you. Standard poodle,lol. please try and educate everyone here some more, punk.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Pits are used by the border patrol? give me a break. They use mailinois, gsds, and labs for detection work. Neither the us military, or any police force I know of uses pits for anything. Deltadoug, don’t blame people for not caring for pits. Look at the culture surrounding them today, and the attacks reported in the news. You have a lot of poorly bred dogs owned by people who THINK they have the baddest dog around. There are numerous sites on the web where you can see pits getting abused by kangals, tosas, caucasian mountain dogs, bully kuttas, central asian ovtcharkas, akbash, cane corsos, and even rotts. Your gameness theory never comes into play because the fight is over rather quickly. your breed is simply overpowered. But yet, you people get all defensive as if is your breed’s one claim to fame and most important trait. Get over it, dude. Hell, I’ve seen a sch III lab, does that mean they are better than shepherds at schutzhund or ring sport? Just because Jessup had one multitalented dog doesn;t mean pits excel at everything. Your dog is nowhere near as versatile as a good gsd, and you’re a fool if you say otherwise. You have no facts to back it up> So how many sar pits are there around? I never come across any or see them in the news. So much pit hype is speculation, emotion, and myth. Stratton talks about pits beating 137 lb chindo dogs. What the hell is a chindo? Now, the korean jindo weighs roughly 45-50 lbs. lol. So don;t get all touchy because when many people see your breed it’s in a rap video, or being walked around the hood on a logging chain and lunging at everything that passes by, or attacks a child. Now, your statement about pits bullbaiting is fine, but what helps the pit in that case is his small size, say compared to a fila. Catahoulas, black mouth curs, airedales, dogos, american bulldogs and plotts can catch as well as most pits. As far as gameness, I sure wouldn;t discount a good jack russell, or even more so, patterdale terriers or jagdterriers who are absolutely fearless and are much smaller than pits. Sorry dude, but again, just because you and kain and steve are ignorant of several breeds bred in other countries for centuries to bait bears,etc and fight other dogs doesn;t mean the can’t and don;t beat pits. As long as you have the michael vicks and people like the immature steve and kaing saying my dog will beat yours crap, people will not care for pits or especially the immature, adoloscents that own them. Again, it’s not everyone, but that’s what you’re face with right now, so don;t shoot the messenger. clean up your own backyard first. Just check out that idiot’s “pitbullreprter” website and maybe you’ll understand.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Oh yeah, DD, I still like my chances much better against a pit than a fila, ovtcharka, kangal, bully kutta, boerboel, spanish mastiff, sindh mastiff, etc. Any of those would be a more effective guard than a pit, and that’s not bias or hatred, just and informed opinion based on fact and many years of experience and study. your breed probably takes some crap it doesn;t deserve, especially in the press, and no I don;t think they should be banned, but much of it is deserved thanks to poor breeding, and bad owners. Too many of these people want these dogs for the wrong reason, tie them out on chains and try to be badasses. There;s more to owning a dog than throwing him in a pit and watching them fight. They are popular because they are gritty and put on the best show, cheap to own, readily available, not because they can whip a dog 3x their size that is just as eager to fight like a kangal, etc. Sad, to say, they are throwawaydogs to much of the scum out there who participate in this crap. So, I believe I am educated about dogs, guys.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
I personally witnessed a very large lab, used to track wounded animals on a commercial hunting facility ( hog and deer)kick the shit out of two pits. I was shocked. One pit approx 85 lbs and the other about 65lbs. The lab was huge, 130 lbs, tall , about 28 inches, but docile with humans. Two loud mouth tough guy owners challenged and taunted the owner of the lab and that lab scrubbed the concrete and damn near killed those pit bulls. My point, dogs are animals and you never know what kind of heart one has–just like people sometimes.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:04 am
Man oh man, there is nothing like a dog lover’s argument. The ignorance of dogs, or, more precisely, the myth’s of dogs, never ceases to amaze me. Have any of you been bitten by a dog of even moderate size? I have two malamutes (male and female) and a boxer. Occasionally they get on each other’s nerves and aggression kicks in (particularly amongst the males). While breaking up one such fight I was bitten on the finger by the malamute male. Nothing has hurt like that. NOTHING. The bone on both the upper part of the finger and the palm part was showing. And the bite lasted for a second. Any dog that has teeth and a few pounds can inflict terrible damage. Yet more stupid and useless anecdotal evidence.
My point is, there are two aspects of home protection: intimidation and actual violence. The reality is not many dogs not trained to attack humans will so so. Which leaves intimidation. Most mid-sized to large dogs will meet this requirement. My 129 lb. female malamute looks like a wolf and intimidates the crap out of people, but my 85 lb. boxer scares people even more. Both are real deterrents. Add another 70 lb. malamute and no one wants anything to do with my dogs, my house or me when I’m walking them. Needless to say, they wouldn’t hurt anyone. They don’t have to. Indeed, if they would I’d have put them down. Dogs, first and foremost, have to live in the communities in which they abide. That means they have to get along with people. If they bark at the doorbell or a knock, swell, as long as they don’t attack the people you invite in. If my dogs would bite someone, I’d know I had failed as an owner, but they would suffer the inevitable tragic fate. This to me is unacceptable and I loathe anyone who would allow a dog to jeopardize it’s life because his penis is too short.
As for dogs fighting dogs, it is a natural instinct and part of many breed’s temperment, but I would not label it as a redeeming quality, just a necessary evil. Personally, I would show my dog the same respect it showed me and put myself in peril to protect it from being hurt by another dog.
My final worry is the wolf dog, which to me is just foolish and selfish. Because you have no idea what genetic material is in the line of the wolf or the dog you can end up with some serious mental and physical problems in these hybrids. Hell, as far as I know the medical profession hasn’t even come up with a reasonable answer to the live or dead rabies vaccination question. Sure, they me live long and be great companions, but so are other dogs. Why then take the risk of unknown quantities so you can feel like you gots you a wuff? I don’t get it. By the way the malamute is much like a wolf, has specific genetic credentials and lives to be 13 years or older on a regular basis, and shows on rescue lists all the time. Just saying…
February 19th, 2008 at 2:54 am
I can’t believe the ignorance and myths on this board about wolfdogs. The “VERIFIED” pedigrees I have on mine go back to the original wolf and dog. I also have one of mine in the MMI Genomics DNA database. The rabies vaccines and all other dog vaccines have WORKED on wolves and wolfdogs for over 30 years. In one of your sentences you say “Why take the risk of unknown quantities so you can feel like you gots you a wuff.” And then your next sentence you say “By the way the malamute is much like a wolf.” You bash people for raising wolves and wolfdogs, then you are basically bragging that your malamute acts like one?
You all want to hang your testosterone on your sleeves like its a trophy on this board with your version of aggressive and bad ass dogs? Then leave the wolfdog out of it altogether. They are not bad ass dogs, and because of people who talk about them without having a clue what its like to actually raise one with a spectacular ancestry(pedigree and lines)you perpetuate the fear and misinformation that people have of them. Why not edumacate yourselves first?
I’ve been raising them for 16 years, and I’ve never been bit by one yet. I also have spent a good amount of time with privately owned wolves, with no incident. The only animal I’ve ever been bit by was a rescue DOG of unknown content.
Get it together, and stop making up bovine excretement.
Stormy
February 19th, 2008 at 3:04 am
For your education, visit this site:
http://wolfdog.ws
Its being revamped, but you will get the best education, instead of the ignorance I’ve seen here. By the way, for the ignorant person who said wolves were fear biters, is just that. Ignorant. All canines are a product of their environment and the degree of their training, and proper breeding.
If you have a stupid vicious canine, better look in your own back yard for the problem, before you blame it on the kind of dog, or the breed.
Stormy
February 19th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Arctos: I can only imagine you were talking to me at one point and began talking to others later. Yes, I touted the malamute’s wolf-like characteristics, but not because I think they are important. I did so because I was proposing an option to those who want wolf-dogs. I don’t have malamutes because they are like wolves, I have them because they are like malamutes. There is, then, no hypocrisy. I have been around wolf-dogs a lot and they are really great pets. But I have first-hand knowledge of young healthy male hybrids dying suddenly (two different families) of heart attacks. I still don’t know of any scientific evidence that shows the live vs. dead rabies vaccine resolved. I am NOT saying it is not out there, I just have not read it nor been directed towards it (hint). The fact that “the rabies vaccine” has “worked” begs the question: does this mean that hybrids have been bitten by rabid animals and not been able to pass on the virus, or that you know of no hybrid that has gotten rabies? The two are separate.
I can see no legitimate reason to take an undomesticated predatory animal and breed it with a domesticated non-predatory animal to use as a pet, other than sheer selfishness. Wolves have their place in nature, dogs have been bred and used by man for centuries. Why ignore dogs as legitimate pets to create hybrids? You sound like a responsible breeder and I applaud that. But I disagree with what you do, and have questions about your motives. I don’t think you are a bad person, nor that your pets are bad pets, just unnecessary adjuncts to the extant breeds out there. We have, in short, different philosophies, about what you do. We agree in whole on responsibility and the idiocy of “vicious” dogs.
I have other comments and arguments, but I have two novel-length posts here already. If you wish to continue the conversation I’m game.
Really, though, I admit I have some remarkable ignorance compared to you about hybrid wolf-dogs, and base my comments on anecdotal evidence, which is fairly lame, but all I have to go on. My philosophy however, is, I feel, sound.
February 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
B8ovin,
Yes, you were included in my post. First I am going to direct this to the writer of the caption below the “wolfdog” pictured above. I am very irritated with the caption the owner of this forum has under the “BONUS” Wolfdog. It is absolutely false. Let me break it down.
“The Wolfdog. Half wolf, half some large shepherd breed. Vicious, hard to train, eats a lot, not very a very loving pet, but who would dare break into your home when you got wolves in the back yard? The dog pictured above is a Wolf-German Shepherd cross”
First of all whoever wrote that caption has either no idea what he is talking about, or has seen some pretty poorly bred wolfdogs, or has been shown something that was called a wolfdog that had no wolf in it at all, or is just really ignorant. Or all of the above. First of all to even place the wolfdog in that category is asking for more controversy towards this badly maligned animal. The animal in the photo is a very unattractive wolfdog in my opinion. And if the owner has trained it for viciousness, or to brag that he has a badass dog, the owner should be euthanized in my opinion. I feel sorry for the dog, not the owner.
Let’s break down the ignorant information in the caption first.
“Half wolf” half some large shepherd breed. Pretty ignorant statement in my opinion. Obviously the person is proud that they don’t know much about the “dog” breed in this dog? I can tell it’s poorly bred by that statement alone. Let’s go on to the next statement:
“Vicious, hard to train, eats a lot, not very a very loving pet,”
Wolfdogs are not pets. I know PURE WOLVES that have been trained exceptionally in obedience. Most wolfdogs I know of, and that is a lot, are exceptionally well trained. Many are ambassadors and are taken for educational purposes all over the country. So are two pure Arctic wolves that have been taken all over the country, and have been on stage in large auditoriums ON LEASH, in front of hundreds of people including hundreds of kids!
Wolves and wolfdogs are NOT inherently vicious. They are a product of their breeding, environment, and if they have a bad owner who abuses them, treats them badly, and neglects them, like any canine, they can become vicious. It’s NOT THEIR FAULT. And if anyone is stupid enough to have a dog live its life out on a chain or cable, (not talking about mushing dogs here), many dogs become aggressive and vicious and starved for attention, and neurotic! That statement is pure ignorance.
As far as “eating alot”. Duh, what do you think a 100+lb canine would eat per day? Some tofu and a salad? Mine eat stillborn calves in the winter. To be specific, for 4 100+ lb canines, I feed one calf per week. Guts, Hide, and all. In the summer they get chicken leg quarters, exactly 3 per day per animal with carnivore vitamins. It costs approx 151 a month for 300 lbs of chicken at Wal-Mart. Its better for them, and cheaper than buying expensive high quality kibble that has a minimal amount of meat, and gives wolves and wolfdogs diareah and plaque on their teeth.
If the person complains they eat a lot, it also could be he’s giving his animal(s) some cheap garbage like Ol’ Roy.
Another ignorant statement:
“not very a very loving pet, but who would dare break into your home when you got wolves in the back yard?”
They are extremely intelligent, sensitive, and they have feelings and emotion. If the guy wanted a pet, why did he get a wolfdog? If you want something that will lick your feet while you sit at the computer, lie in your lap, and go fetch you a beer out of the fridge, then why didn’t you get a dog?
“Who would dare break into the home when you got wolves in the back yard.”??? With this statement the owner of the caption has a bigger ego than what he has something below his belt. And he feels it’s macho to brag that having wolves in the back yard would scare burglars? Many people, myself included, have protection dogs to protect the wolfdogs. My wolfdogs don’t bark. They aren’t suppose to because I know what the content of mine are, and I got them because of their exceptional lines and pedigrees. If someone broke into my home, they would watch and get upset, but they would NOT protect. My dogs would however, and that is why I have them.
It’s because of ignorant, egomaniacs, who post captions about such a magnificent canine as a wolfdog or wolf as has been done here, that gets them banned, euthanized, and shot all over this country. And it attracts negative misinformation from others on this board that puts fuel in the fire. I have fought for the right to live with these animals for 16 years. I have spent the whole time educating anyone who is interested in knowing about them. I do not promote them as pets, I never have. I never will. They are not vicious fighting dogs. They are not protection dogs. They are a very misunderstood dog, and what people fear, they destroy.
To B8ovin,
I appreciate your post. It was a good one, with some good questions. First off, wolfdogs were created many years ago by crossing a dog with a wolf. The wolfdogs of today are not created that way. We breed wolfdog to wolfdog. We may add more wolf into the lines when a line needs it, or we may add a lower content wolfdog into the lines to make the lines more dog like. We did not create the wolfdog, we are only trying to make it better, genetics wise, health wise, temperament wise…etc. The last I knew of anyone adding a dog to wolf cross was over 20 years ago. The same goes for the captive wolf owners. The wolves that are in the lines came from zoo surplus, or fur farms over 30 years ago. No wolves that are privately owned are taken from the wild. The pedigrees from the good wolf breeders go back to the original wolf from the fur farms, or the zoo stock.
Personally most of us do not want a wolfdog with shepherd mix in it. The majority of wolfdogs have husky or malamute in the lines. Like you said, Huskies and Malamutes or the Northern breed dogs have similar characteristics to the wolf, far removed of course, but similar. I always tell anyone who writes me and wants a wolfdog, but has never had one to try out a malamute or husky first. If they like that type of behavior, stubbornness and strength, and have raised them well, then I suggest they interact with low or mid content wolfdogs, etc.
I have never heard of a wolfdog dying from a heart attack, unless it had heart worms. Most wolfdogs I know have lived to 16 years and I know of an Arctic wolf, which lived for 19 years. Wolves in the wild usually live to a ripe old age of 7. Wolves in the wild who get weak, diseased or sick will get taken out by their pack, or die of starvation. That is why you will see the healthiest wolves survive. Same with their pups. Wolves privately owned, since they live longer than they are suppose to, get the same ailments as any other old canine. Cataracts, cancer….etc. People are not suppose to live past 120 years old. We get the same ailments.
Wolfdogs and wolves and dogs can get rabies even if they have been vaccinated. It’s very rare, but it can happen. It can be something as simple as the vaccine sitting on the shelf with an expired lot, or it can be the shot was not given properly. I give my own rabies, and my own 7-way shots. And I do it every 3 years. It is not necessary to over vaccinate any canine. It’s not good for them. The only reason there is a rabies vaccine controversy with the AVMA, the HSUS, and other anti wolfdog organizations, is because if it ever gets approved, and a wolfdog is picked up for whatever reason and ends up in the shelter, or AC, they won’t be able to automatically cut its head off and check for rabies. It’s all political. And I am sure any of the people here who own dogs that are under the gun right now will understand how it feels to have their favorite pooch declared a danger and banned. Fear breeds fear, and that is why it upsets me so much when people say things in public about an animal that I have pretty much changed my life for. I am not a breeder. I have had one litter in 16 years. I may have one more. 3 of my pups are living in reputable wildlife centers who needed a pup. My other two pups, I have, and the person who has the father of the pups. I would never place any pup with the general public. I would never advertise in a newspaper, on the web, or on my own website. I have a favorite quote from a very nice man who passed away who was a friend.
He said: “If you don’t know where to buy a wolf, you shouldn’t have one.”
Believe me, many of us have fought and stopped bad breeders, bad owners, puppy mills, and others who have owned wolfdogs for the wrong reasons. We will continue to do so. I am honest with people also. If I stop by someones house, who says they have wolves and they are malamutes and huskies, I will tell them so. Most don’t like to hear it, but Im frankly sick and tired of the pandemic of misrepresentation. They will take a mal, husky, or a very low content wolfdog, and advertise it is a pure wolf. If they find ignorant people to pay thousands for their pups (and they will), it hurts us all. Some people shouldn’t have been bred.
No one is ignoring dogs as legitimate pets. Wolfdogs are not pets. And where I live, they are legal. They are legal in many places, but unlike pets, we spend an incredible amount of money to contain them properly, feed them, and care for them. To me they are an alternative canine. I have them because they don’t bark. I have them because I love to hear them howl. I have them because the intelligence is much more of a challenge then my regular dogs. I also have them so that my children and grandchildren don’t have to go to a zoo in order to see something that eventually man will wipe off the face of the planet. Some people I let go in with them in the pens. Some people I don’t. It depends on how the people react, and how much knowledge they have of wolves and wolf behavior. I didn’t get them so that I could take them to the dog park and show off to the public. I am a very private person. I only have them for me, and my education and so that I can educate others. Where I live there are packs of stray dogs running around. I would honestly be more afraid of those, than to wander out in the forest where there are a pack of wild wolves’ anyday. Wolves in the wild are afraid of man. Dogs are still domestic, even though these packs are feral, and would not hesitate to attack humans.
Personally I agree with you that whoever bred dogs to wolves 20 to 30 years ago did wolves a disservice. But since they exist, we can only try to make them better, and some of us have done just that. To me the wolf is a perfect mammal. Look for example at the AKC dogs that have been bred that are what I call the “designer” dogs?
The bulldog, whose head has been bred so large, that many of the females have to have cesareans just to have the large headed pups. What about the dog breeds with the large eyeballs? Like the Shitzue, or similar. Sometimes if they take a fall off the couch, their eyeball will pop out. Some breeds of dogs that have slobbered, are bred now to be dry mouthed dogs. They breed dogs to suit whatever a human wants.
That is another reason, I love wolfdogs and privately owned wolves. There are closer to the original canine without the bells and whistles of canines today.
I have great respect for whatever anyone in our great country of the United States wants to have in their back yard. It’s not my business to judge. However I hope to get the same respect back.
Stormy
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:34 am
Stormy,
I understand what you are saying, but I am still not convinced that your motives and my philosophy can agree. But again, I don’t think that makes you a bad dog owner or your wolf-dogs a bad breed. Admittedly we agree more than disagree, and I appreciate the thoughtful insights and prolonged answers. To be fair, every responsible dog owner and breeder of a particular breed that I have ever met will tell you that breed it the best and give you a slew of legitimate reasons why. I’ve had boxers all my life and mals for the last twenty. I understand breed loyalty and feel it myself sometimes (for boxers, which I think are the perfect dog, but not so much malamutes which are only for the dedicated).
By the way I have been a wolf fan since childhood and think they are wonderful. I like cats too for their predatory instincts and niche-filling abilities. That’s why I don’t want either as pets: I respect their more natural instincts and their abilities and tendencies for the wild life. I dig what you’re saying about the wolf-dogs existence and your sense of responsibility in doing the best you can. That’s commendable, I’m just way off philosophically about the whole moral issue, and that’s MY problem not yours. So thanks for all the clarification. I would also prompt you to be more tolerant of ignorance for those who only know what they read on sites like Wikipedia et al. I think you’ll agree with me that the sources of misinformation of ANY dog are more numerous than responsible information, and I don’t think those who pass on that misinformation do so with malice as much as for a quick, what they see as harmless writing. Given the states of things I think patient understanding of that serves better than anger. This is, by the way, supposed to be constructive criticism, I just don’t do smiley faces.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Nice to see dobies on the list, but then i’m biased i have 2 , and have either owned or looked after dobies for many years. My dogs are family pets and have not been specifically trained to protect or guard- the breed doesnt need to be, like most dogs if treated with respect, given clear boundaries and know their place within the pack, they will give their life to protect their family members.
From my own personal experience i find dobies to be of a more consistent temperament than many of the dogs mentioned here, generally not interested in fighting with other dogs(more interested in playing with them). But i recall an instance with astray akita in the local park who went to go for me and was quickly dispatched by the milder one of my dobermans- his attack on the akita was lightning quick and the hound was soon running for cover. I dont want to see my dobies attack any other dogs or any humans but if they need to then the objects of their attack had better look out!
February 26th, 2008 at 11:32 am
That pic of the wolf/dog is UNATTRACTIVE? Why, is looking just like a wolf unattractive? How is THAT pic of a wolfdog “unattractive” Just what does one look for in judging the “attractiveness” of wolfdog?
February 27th, 2008 at 2:51 am
Stormy- you sound very responsible. Glad you have broken up puppy mills. I hate them and wish they were illegal for all breeds. Question for you: Are wolfdogs considered domesticated or are they still feral?
Northern girl
February 27th, 2008 at 3:26 am
B80vin,
I’ll have to write you back when I have more time. I appreciate your post, I hope we can agree to disagree on some things. I saw something that “Nick” wrote and wanted to address it right now.
Nick, what qualifies that wolfdog in the picture to look “just like a wolf” as you put it? Wolves are THE most beautiful mammals I have laid my eyes in in my opinion. A well bred wolfdog, can be just as beautiful as a wolf, with a wonderful temperment as well. Calling that mutt a “wolf” does wolves an injustice. You do know wolfdogs are all “mutts.” They are not a recognised breed.
In judging the “attractiveness” of a wolfdog consists of many things. It also depends on the wolf X dog content in the animal. Its not simply throwing two animals together. I have my preferences, so do others. There are certain lines I like, and there are certain lines I don’t like. I personally don’t like the shepherd/wolf crosses unless the wolf is very high percent and you see little or no shepherd traits in the wolfdog. The wolfdog in that photo reminds me of a line that has been around for a while, but Im not impressed with its looks or temperment. Im not going to discuss lines or private information here.
The ears are too big to be wolf ears. The nose looks more like a northern breed dog nose. If it is cold weather when the photo was taken, and it is winter time, if this were a wolf, it would have much more fur around the sides of the face. We call them “the cheeks”. The chest looks too wide to be a wolf, and the head proportion does not seem to fit the body. Unless the camera is distorting the looks, this is what I see.
I don’t like it when someone says something “looks just like a wolf” when it doesn’t. This is another way our animals get banned, maligned and sometimes killed, when they are misrepresented as “wolves.” What about that photo looks “just like a wolf” to you?
Thanks Northern Girl. I don’t consider wolfdogs domestic, I consider them tame. There is a good breeder who has bred 4 generations of excellent canines of wolf descent to the point of seeing some domestic traits in her F3 89% animals, which I have one of. If there is an F4 breeding I believe there will be some great domestication going on. But it has been carefully done, the pups are consistant in looks and behavior, and at this point the pups that have been left on the mother for nursing have turned out to be as social as pups normally pulled and bottlefed at 10 days. This is a great breakthrough if this breeder keeps it going. So until this happens I would not call them domestic.
Feral to me means random matings with no socialization of the pups like you find when dogs are running all over the countryside breeding and raising their pups without human interaction. Those are feral. I do not consider them pets, I don’t consider them feral, to me they are alternative canines or companion canines. They certainly are not for everyone.
I’ll write when I have some more time. Thanks for the questions.
Stormy
February 28th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Is there a list of the worst watchdogs (purse dogs notwithstanding)? My yellow lab mix is the worst watchdog ever. While I am grateful for her company and her quiet voice, an occasonal “woof” might sure be comforting every now and again. Like Grimm said to Mother Goose a few comic strips ago, “You live with the dog you have, not the dog you wish you had.”
February 28th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Caucasian Ovcharka. I believe these are the most willing and loving guard dogs ever. They will practically body slam a person to the ground and then attack them. They aren’t vicious because they try attacking some approaching them, it’s because they care about their family.
March 2nd, 2008 at 3:56 pm
I had a brother-sister pair of wolfdogs growing up. The male was very loyal and protective of his sister, and the female happened to be very friendly, and they were both beloved members of the family until their deaths
March 2nd, 2008 at 10:11 pm
I will put an entry on “worst watchdogs”–golden retriever. One night, I came home and decided to go through the back gate on a whim. My golden and my corgi were out there, and stood about thirty feet away, feet planted, barking. I slowly approached, waiting for them to recognize me.
They bolted.
I followed, and turned the corner. The corgi, always the smart one, had hidden himself. Our poor, silly golden, Daisy, was spinning around on the porch, tearing at the sliding glass door, peeing everywhere…
Yes, I felt very bad for doing it. I am currently looking into getting a Komondor.
March 17th, 2008 at 8:31 am
That picture of the Boerboel is not a real Boerboel.
March 19th, 2008 at 5:41 am
Wheres the presa canario???
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:17 pm
i have a bulmastif and if some 1 cums up to me or him he will go 4 them i have never seen a dog turn like him
April 5th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
For the proper wolf-looking dogs there is naturally the Saarlooswolfdog and Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, that supposedly are more dog-like after some breeding. I’ve personally met one Saarlooswolfdog once, and it was just a whiny little thing. It was still a pup but it’s no reason to go hide under cars after noticing he doesn’t know me from before. Cute little thing, but scared easily, apparantely really smart now that it’s older though.
April 17th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
I own a Maremma Sheepdog, which is probably close to 50kg now, however their advantage comes in their reach, a Maremma Sheepdog can put its front paws on the shoulders of a six foot man. They are extremely good guard dogs as they are experts in intimidation. A Maremma will never start a fight but will intimidate his/her opponent out of a fight. However they will fight to the death and give their lives for you. Due to their determination they are said to be strong as 80kg dogs and are mostly used to protect livestock from wolves, bears etc. Here are a few stories of what they did in war:
One group of Italian soldiers and their Maremma sheepdog who had been captured by the Allies. Six German shepherds were left to guard the prisoners. In the morning, when the Allies came to check on their prisoners, they found that the Italians had escaped- leaving behind their Maremma. He was found lying quitely at the entrance to the pen and the six German shepherds were dead
From the Imperial War Museum of London come two stories. The first is about the British Army’s Afrika Corps who found that the standard German shepherd dogs were useless at protecting their supply dumps from the Arabs. Once Italian settlers in Libya introduced Maremmas to the Corps their troubles were at an end. The second story is about Maremmas who were seconded into the British Army. They had been introduced to the the English when the Italians had joined the Allies. These dogs were able to sense the presence of German troops and had an ingenious way of letting their handlers know that the Germans were around. Instead of barking, a Maremma would nudge the handler with its nose. These dogs saved many lives!
April 20th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
All of you are wrong about the pitbull it is the baddest of the bad. It doesn’t have to be big in fact this is the weakness of the large breeds a pitbulls speed and small size just needs one thing large jaws that will clamp on to the largest of dogs and it is goodbye. I have seen a small powerfull pitbull confront my friend rotty and it was scared of the pit. I also saw a special on TV about a pitbull that fought two American Bull dogs the pitbull eventually died and the bull dogs were in critical condition. Don’t under estimate a pitbulls size it is what makes him such a vicious dog I hate them but don’t under estimate them.
April 21st, 2008 at 8:04 pm
it amazes me how some people just up and declare themselves dog experts…. Trust me the only dog on ur list that even compares with the apbt is the caucasian. the pit has beaten all challengers world wide , only occasionally will a large caucasian make a quick kill . If the fight is an extended match the pit wins hands down…but u r right on one thing the pit does not make a good guard dog …. he will leave with the intruder….lol.. just the facts
April 26th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Ha,Ha,Ha!!! What great, insightful, and “obviously” well-educated comments from bob and gman. you two obviously know your stuff. thanks for all the “facts.” Wow, since you say you saw a rott scared of the mighty pitt in your “hood” that proves everything. You’re right, what can we say. We certainly don;t know as much as you do, Bob. I’ll forget 30+ yrs of experience and research, and just believe you and gman. Why listen to professionals in the field of working dogs, we’ll all just listen to you. If you want “facts gman, just google akbash vs pitbull, and you’ll see your great pit being thrown around like a ragdoll, by a dog not even used ofr fighting in that region of the country. And you think a pit would beat a fightig-line Kangal, ovtcharka, Bully Kutta, Gull dong, Tosa, Voldakov? You make me laugh little boy. Some of these dogs are well over 150lbs and are much stronger, with much stronger jaws than your pit. They have weight classes for a reason, dude. Get a clue. Gman, when you get out of jr high next week, load up your bad pit and head over to pakistan, and enter him in a tournament against the bully kutta, and while you’re at it you can bury him over there. Or go to japan and face a tosa, central asia to face a volodakov, or turkey and enter a match with a kangal. read up on the subject boys, you might learn something. Go to pavelbooks and you can see many facts about pitbulls, ha ha ha. Ffrom many, many conversations, the pit doesn;t come close to beating all challengers worldwide, so you need to recheck your info did and get embarrasssing yourselves, teenyboppers. Hell, in one of stratton;s books a damn monkey beat the hell out’ve a pit with a rod in a match. ha ha ha. Open your mind boys, you might learn something. I’ve talked to servicemen who were stationed overseas and saw pits being destroyed by these dogs in matches. So, don;t think we’ll trust you gman or bob, since you have no facts, just biased, uninformed, uneducated, and juvenile opinions.
May 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
One of the best watch dogs I have ever owned was a dingo.She was one bad ass dog.But I have to agree with all of those dogs I have owned two of those breeds and they who both really good dogs.but I think a dingo should be put up there.
May 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm
This is for gman and bob.I own a pitbull and I must say he is a very strong and fast dog but if he went up against a boerboel,dingo,or even cane corso the dog would get it ass kicked, and not just my pit all pits.Dingos are not heavywights they are just like pits, but stronger,and faster and would kill a pitull.
May 8th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Getting back to the original intent of this forum, rather than the juvenile my pit can whip anything crap, please don’t discount the thousands of mixed-breed dogs in shelters across the country. Something like a german shepherd/chesapeake bay retrieve mix, or a lab/great pyrenese mix, etc would should make a worthy guard dog, and you would be saving a life. Again as far as pits, the smaller game bred animals tend to be the gamest animals, but gice up WAY too much wait to the MUCH larger asian and european fighting dogs, while the larger and dare say cross bred pits tend not to be the best fighters form all research. That being said, who cares about throwing two animals in a ring and watching them kill each other.
May 11th, 2008 at 4:15 am
Sgthacker thanx for being a know it all shit head … theres always one some where near a good convo. I have never heard ne one speak of a breed of dog with such hate, btw. im a USMC Lcpl who has also been deployed, iraq twice, point being >> WHO F***ing CARES omg its like u are in here just waiting for the next “pitbull” comment which btw there is no such breed people. APBT. and No i truely dont think my dog is simba from the lion king i dont think he is next in line to rule the world and of course …. common sense tells us that no matter how big and bad ne thing is theres always some one who can whip his ass. But… this thread is on guarding…. not guarding this thread from pitbull enthusiast. And no pitbulls are not great guard dogs. Now on a comment that was made earlier ….. i know of 3 different marine units that actively use apbt’s and i dont have tooo really even get into rather or not law enforcment use them.. hell just google that shit my friend. its just a bit disturbing to me that you know so much about dog fighting yet dont advocate it?? i suspect u must use the majority of your worthless life looking this info up just to come into these lil chats so u can get your rocks off by prettending to be the dog whisperer…..your not…. nor are u amusing… more or less just a henderence to a good convo
May 12th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
I don’t claim to be a know-it-all, jarhead. So fuck you too, you dumbass piece of shit. I do think I know more than you, though. So you keep tooting your own horn. As far as tha pitbull not being a breed, richard Stratton, Carl semencic, and Diane jessup would dare to disagree with you, bud. Seems you cuss to cover your lack of command of the english language. the belgian malinois is the dog of choice now and you know that, so don’t give me the crap about the “non-breed” pit bull being used, “friend.” yes, the thread was supposed to be about guard dogs, until your felllow dog-fighting thugs started ranting about the all conquering pit bull, so don;t start shit with me dude. I’ve forgotten more about dogs than you’ll ever know. When you research certain dogs, dumbass, you learn about their past or present uses like a tosa, so yes, dog fighting comes into the conversation. With pit people that’s all they want to talk about. So johnny came lately, I suggest you go back and tread the whole thread, rather than jump in at the end and start spouting nonsense. And my life is far from worthless, so speak for yourself, bigshot. So if you want to try and talk logically bring it own, otherwise shut the hell up!
May 12th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
By the way, marine, go back to the beginning of the thread and see where stoney, jake, and stizzo started the teenage. powerranger immature my pit can beat any dog crap. Better know what you’re talking about before you spout off, jarhead. Also, I’ve googled plenty I suggest you do the same. how about “pitbull kills” and you can read all kind of “great” stuff about your breed, dude, such as them killing children and old ladies, and poodles. then you ccan come back and say how the media is unfair, blah blah blah. And yes, my family has owned a bulldog before, and I do know some nice ones, but like it or not, your breed is not viewed very well today, and due to shithead owners, trailer park breeding, gangsta rap, etc deserves a lot if it;s bad press. So you come on back when you’re ready to educate me some more, with your “mascot” marine pitbull. lol
May 17th, 2008 at 6:46 am
We use to have a Boerboel but a burgler broke in our house and the dog killed the burgler and the police took our dog
May 18th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
I am a fireman who lives is chicago ( not the safest city in the world) I work 24 hour shifts. my wife and 2 young daughters are left alone for my shift. I now own a cane corso that sleeps with in the room with my daughters and I pitty the poor fool who ever enters my house with out permission. He will be DOA. I had a rot for 13 years what a great dog! She was great with my babies, never never a problem! But she was so big 168lbs, we got the cane because she was alittle smaller, now full grown 88lbs and in great shape.
May 20th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Well, you forgot two my friend that should be around the number 1 to 2 spot and the other around 2 to 3 spot and that is the Tosa Inu and the Fila Brasileiro… The Fila Brasileiro is an excellent estate guardian and cattle dog. It does not hide its aversion to strangers, consequently these dogs are not disqualified from the show ring for showing aggression to the judge [1]. Their faithfulness to family and friends is legendary, but this breed is not for everyone. The Fila needs a confident, experienced owner who can properly curb the breed’s natural aggression towards strangers. Because of its aggression, it is not well suited to busy households which have many guests. Such aggression is instinctive in Filas, so much so that the Brazilian breed standard advises show judges not to touch the dog. [2] However, the FCI standard allows for disqualification of very aggressive dogs. Few Filas will attack for no reason, but none will be friendly with strangers.
Filas love and bond strongly with their immediate families with an extreme loyalty and protectiveness. They live to protect their loved ones, including children and other pets. They do not readily accept strangers and need an extended introduction period to warm up to others they do not know. Some will never warm up to any stranger. Some bloodlines have less temperament than others and might accept a stranger if introduced properly by the owner, but it should never be assumed that every Fila can be trained to accept strangers. They are known to play very well with children and take a great deal of “abuse” from them, as long as they are family.
The Tosa The Tosa is loyal to his master and very good with children and of people it knows, is known to attack if there is a threat, and is very protective of other family pets.The breed haders its “den” (i.e. house, car, and property in a home situation) and “pack” (i.e. human family in a home situation). It is poised, but when the occasion demands, eager and alert; both fit and willing to serve in its capacity as a companion, watchdog, guide dog for people who are blind, herding dog, or guardian, whichever the circumstances may demand.
Proper socialization as a puppy is one of the two key factors which determines what a dog’s temperament will be as an adult. Genetics is the other. They go hand-in-hand; there is no guarantee that a dog with poor genetics can be trained to be stable and friendly, and by the same token the best genetics are meaningless if the dog is not well-socialized as a puppy. Ideally, a Tosa should be alert and fearless in defense of its den and pack, but loving and non-aggressive within the home environment.The Tosa is very affectionate.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:58 am
Very good comments, the Boerboel, Fila, Cane Corso and Tosa would all make EXCELLENT man-stoppers. All 4 are incredible dogs!! They are all large and plenty athletic, with the backbone to get the job done. I like them alot along with the lgds like the Kangal, Central Asian Ovtcharka (alabai), Caucasian Mountain Dog, Maremma, Akbash, etc. These dogs are left out in fields in their homelands to protect the flocks against any threat. They withstand the elements, little water or food, and threats from coyotes, wolves, bears, cougars, or man. Very loyal though independent of course. Other less exotic (and more affordable)breeds that could amke good watch/guard dogs are the Catahoula, Black Mouth Cur, Airedale (especially large oorang type),Chesapeake, and of course, the Malinois (pretty sure the MOST widely used dog by the US military and police forces), Dutch Shepherd, GSD, giant Schnauzer, bouvier, and beauceron. Google “israeli special forces and mailinois” to see a pretty cool video. Very intense dogs.
June 7th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
enjoyed the intelligent yet a little verbal sgthacker i believe he is the most qualifed person on the subjects at hand and shows it by backing up his statements! go sgthacker!
June 10th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Scary list. But where would the Chow Chow be on this list if it went to 20? Chow Chows have a nasty attack. And what about the Dutch Shepherd? He’s more powerful than the German Shepherd because he’s bigger and he throws his body into you as his bites. And the American Bulldog? So many dogs could make this list longer, even though any dog can be bad.
June 14th, 2008 at 10:18 am
hi all, im new on this side. and have yust read all your comments and i most aggre to tosa inu. tosa`s was fighting dogs centurys before the pit bull was eable to walk.. The tosa also have the size to scar off all thiefs
take a look at this im glad im not on the wrong side of a tosa…
also akita`s bobel,corsa eng mastiff and great dane are some nice dogs..
June 20th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
awwww i love wolf dogs i have had 4 dogs from that list i had a rottii,gremen shepherd (white),gerater swiss moutin dog, and a wolf dog and they are all great dogs i love big dogs they are great watch dogs and are so playfull no matter how old they get.
June 26th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
The Kangal Dog should be number one, no one would enter a house if they saw it
June 26th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
German Shepherds shouldnt be in the list, they were used in war to guard stock, however stock was always being stollen, the allies replaced them with Maremma’s and all the problems went away, if this is a site about guard dogs then why is the German Shepherd in it, and army Shepherds are a bit bigger and angrier than the average household one
June 28th, 2008 at 4:20 am
Aren’t pitbulls more dangerous than rottweilers
June 28th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I reviewed this list and I seen the AKITA mentioned only about 3 times. I have 2 akitas which I have in K9 obedience training these dogs are very good guard dogs. First, akitas doesn’t bark for nothing if an akita is barking something is wrong time to investigate. Second, akitas are very loyal and devoted to there family they’re not the kind of dog you have chain to a tree all day. Third, akitas have a thick coat something a guard dog should have it’ll be much harder to penetrate a akitas coat than a dog with a short coat. You don’t want a guard dog that barks at anything you want a guard dog that barks at everything akitas will do that. They don’t bark because they’re hungry or because there’s a squirrel in the tree but trust me an akita will let you know if something is near its family they’ll know before you know. If you a person that loves dogs that’ll make your dog part of your family and feed your dog good healty balance meals and work that dog daily talk to your dog like it’s one of your kids the akita is the dog for you and it’ll make sure when the man of the house is gone he’ll protect the home. But if you want a vicious killer angry man eater that’s been tied to a tree all it’s life and eats the scraps its owner give him then you better get you a shotgun because the minute you let that dog off that chain it’s a mad animal and it’s going to bite anything in sight even its owners I don’t care what kind of dog it is. That’s not a guard dog. WE LOVE OUR AKITAS AND THEY LOVE US TOO…if you don’t belive me come to my home and find out the hard way.
June 28th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
avi, if an intruder came into the house i think a rottie would have more chance of stopping him than a pit, due to size mainly, the best guard dogs are lsg dogs, they start guarding at 3 months and dont need to be taught, they will bond with anything and give their lives for what their guarding without hesitation
June 28th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
There’s an important difference between a guard dog and a watch dog. My 5lb chihuahua makes the perfect watch dog- she yaps her pea-sized head off if a someone even dares to walk up my driveway. But she wouldn’t be a great guard dog- her bite wouldn’t even break the skin.
June 28th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
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July 3rd, 2008 at 3:29 pm
this list is incorrect the strongest dog is the rottweiler it has the greatest bite force is bulk and muscular and is bred for defense.
July 4th, 2008 at 7:55 am
My next door neighbour had a rottie, she got robbed, had the whole house emptied out, furniture, everything. Any way, all the intruders had to do was throw a fresh bone and that occupied the dog the whole time. Rotties for starters arnt the strongest and obviously their guarding instinct isnt that great. My Maremma wont even take a steak from a visitor in the house even if we have accepted them, however if that person gives his family the steak and they give it to him he will accept it. And im telling you now a Maremma is much stronger than a rottie and out of the stories ive heard have killed them in seconds.
July 6th, 2008 at 1:51 am
To badass12 – the Caucasian Mountain dog’s bite hasn’t even been measured so the Rot does not have the most serious bite in existence yet it does known to man. A guard dog of the utmost seriousness is EXTREMELY wary of strangers where a trained Rot is actually quite friendly and sociable. The CMD is not. Its nature is supposed to be suspicious and defensive. Where the Rot is aggressive if threatened or treated improperly, the CMD is purely defensive meaning if you get too close it can strike where a Rot, again, can be VERY sociable and likeable. That’s the problem, you HAVE to socialize the Rott as do the CMD, but the more socialized the Rott become the friendlier he is, where the CMD retains its indpendent and almost disregard for strangers. THAT is a guard dog if you have something to serious to guard.
July 6th, 2008 at 5:53 am
deviljin is correst, the rottie, german shepherd etc, are all reasonably sociable dogs, the cmd i spose is like lsg dogs, very independent and nothing can take their attention away from guarding, its 2000 years worth of breeding to make them the perfect guardian dog. Thats why they will give their life for you, and guard you from the biggest animals like bears to the smallest, like flys.
July 7th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
what about bullmastiffs they can easliy over power a apbt
July 8th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Allan – Here’s the thing. Pitbulls are not the best guard or fighting dog and yet a lot of people seem to make comparisons to the apbt as if it is a measuring stick. As for bullmastiffs – you can’t make that statement because pits’ size vary due to bad breeding. I’ve seen regular pits and I’ve seen a pit that seemed to have been mixed with a Great Dane or another big dog (hate to see someone cross breed a Kangal with pit – what a sight that would be). It was gigantic. Then you have that American bully breed which looks like a pit on steriods. Yes, a mastiff can overpower an apbt, but an apbt would probably win because it has a higher pain tolerance. It’s not immune to pain, but its toleration is higher.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Matty- This is what i think. Pitbulls are dangerous strong dogs, but i do have an alsation and he is a great guard dog aswell as a family pet, he weighs about 43kg and is huge, we bought him from the dogs home, and we think he was used as a pub dog, but he did live with 9 kids, belive it or not! However, if you look at some of the other dogs like, a doberman or a rotweiler they shouldn’t come above a GSD because i don’t think they are as strond and powerfull, even still it depends on the dogs mood, not just the breed. A couple of months back my dog had a viscious fight with a fully grown rotweiler, it beat the rotweiler but the other owner and us, as a family decided not to take it any further and it was dead in the water, so i think those rankings are wrong, and it depends on the dogs mood.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:36 am
First off no breed can wipe the floor with an american pit bull. A tosa Inu weighing up to 240 pounds or a bully kuta which is the most dangerous dog on earth would give the pit bull a challange. Fila are the prob the best guard dogs because they are VERY suspicous of strangers. But pit bulls; tosa inu, dogo argentino, dogo presca and bully kutas could devour any breed.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Shelby – unless you’ve done some illegal dogfighting, I’m betting you’re just a fan of the pit, because we cannot determine who would win. The Tosa Inu is the best fighting dog of Japan (Japan actually have a lot of rules for the dogs to follow). A pitbull would be engulfed by an aggressive, dogfighting experienced Kangal and would not live to see another day against a Caucasian Mountain Dog. Due to the sagging protective skin beneath the neck of a Dogo Argentino (something pits usually go for), the pit would lose to it as well. Regardless of how bad their bites are, the pit is NOT the most deadliest fighting dog as it is the most popular fighting dog worldwide.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
I know a pit is not the deadliest. But it would not be an easy match for any breed. CO are pretty scary dogs. Best friend has one and I wont go near it..lol…weighs around 180. How do u think a CO would fair against a presca or dogo?
July 12th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Shelby – If you’re talking about Causcasian Owtcharka, then I would love to know what your friend has that needed THAT type of protection (b/c we have to make sure bad owners don’t force others to endorse the BSL law worldwide; I have a staffy and dobe and would probably move than give them up). And you are smart not to go near it b/c they are not people dog and not supposed to be. You know, despite the serious bite of a pit or a dogo, it also depends on how the dog attacks, head size, its quickness to latch on to its enemy, its personality and its nature. As much as I want to be biased and say the Dogo is the best(I so want one), the CO is known for defending off wolves. In fact, the CO will hide itself in the midst of sheeps (like the Komondor) and can take on more than one predator at a time. Indpendent dogs are usually better than dogs with strong pack-instincts like the Dogo b/c their personality is stronger. As for the Dogo Presa Canario, I would still have to go with the CO because of its highly independent, ant-social nature, its heavy size (which would knock down any dog in a clash, not to mention, they stand six feet on hind legs), and naturally defensive personality. Personality plays a big part in dogs. However, a dog can always get lucky if they get a grip on the neck (given there’s no excessive skin like the Dogo).
July 14th, 2008 at 5:40 am
It seems the CO is like the majority of the live stock guardian dogs with relation to the protection of their flock. Maremmas, which is what i own, generally will run up with their tails between the legs to make out their scared. They will do this a few times and then they will suddently body slam their opponents and proceed to kill them, whether its a wolf or a bear, this is only if intimidation does not work and their opponents are obviously wanting to fight. These dogs are very independent as they need to make their own decisions and in some instances need to learn to also live off the land. They are independent as they are controlling hundreds of sheep, goats, etc at a time, they are smarter than most dogs, but dont rank up the top because they dont take orders, which is what the tests are made up of. They make their own decisions, they will consider their masters decision, however their guardian instinct of 2000 years takes over.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:48 am
Matty, has i have previously posted, german shepherds are useless compared to many other dogs and dont deserve to even be on this list. The allies used to them to guard stock in the war and they eventually had to change them to Maremmas as all the stock was being stolen. Also their not that tough or good at guarding, six fully grown army german shepherds were left to guard a few italian prisoners with a maremma, in the morning the prisoners had escaped, the maremma was asleep and the 6 german shepherds were dead. However you put it their are dozens of breeds that should be put before it and the doberman and rottie.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Shelby,
the thread is about the best dogs for guard duty, not “pit” fighting. If you’re into that crap, you have issues. Like I and others have mentioned before, if you have a pit that’s a badass, take him to turkey and put him against a Kangal, or to Japan and face a tosa, Pakistan and face a bully kuta or gull dong, or to afganaistan and face a Caucasian mtn dog or Central asian ovcharka. there are numerous sorry pit bulls out there owned by trash for the wrong reasons, who big tough neighborhood dogs could whip, cause I’ve heard it too many times.there’s a lady who breeds pits and is big on bsl who had a catahoula attack and kill one of her pits, and she stresses the same thing. DON’T BUY ONE OF THESE DOGS JUST CAUSE YOU WANT TO THINK YOU HAVE THE BADDEST DOG ON THE BLOCK! that’s not fair to the dog, and it can show insecurity issues on the owner’s side. get one that needs a home and you can take care of it and TRAIN it so it doesn’t end up in the news. as far as guard ability I’ve seen video of some good pits but it seems to be pretty rare, and these seemed to be larger than the standard therefore they may have been crossbred. but they wouldn’t be at the top of my list, and I like my chances against one over the much larger and specialized breeds. pits aren’t super dogs, they can;t do things better than any other dog. they don;t have locking jaws. they don;t have more biting pressure than any other breed, and they can’t whip any breed of dog, bears, mountain lions, etc. a lot of the semencic and stratton stuff is crap and yes I’ve read the books. a well bred apbt should be tenacious, deadgame, non human aggressive, but still only 30-60lbs, so it’s tough to ask them to face much larger and equally aggressive opponents. as stated though there are many sorry bred pits out there as you can see in the news, and by people talking s*&t nonsense on the internet.
willy, I love maremmas but let’s not get carried away. do you know how hard it is for a cao, kangal , maremma, or whatever to beat a large alpha wolf (mckenzie valley, etc) of 130+ lbs, let alone a big tom cougar, large black bear boar, or forget about a big grizzly? these animals fight constantly to survive. don;t mention the stupid videos of declawed, small, captive, weak, cougars put into pens with dogs either. I’ve seen those when I ordered info on dogos. I know dogs have and can beat some wolves but your big male alpha gray wolves would be tough for any dog, and your large cougar can lay a dogs entrails out quickly as could a bear with their claws. a grizzly could break a dog’s back or skull with one swipe.
Also, lay off the gsds dude. I don;t ownd one but their record speaks and CONTINUES TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF. A HQ one from the czech republic/border patrol is a damn good dog. no if they weren; they wouldn;t be used along with the malinois and dutch shephereds overwhelmingly by militaries and police forces worldwide. no need to bash one breed to make yours look better.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
One breed I’m surprised that hasn’t been mentioned has been the Belgian Malinois. Those dogs are straight up bad-ass guard dogs. Crazy, high strung & they live for the bite. They’re not as big or intimidating as many of the other breeds mentioned, but don’t tangle with a Mal, odds are you will regret it!
July 15th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
To sgthacker – I agree. But honestly, it’s dangerous to even have a guard dog (for the average person, that is)b/c most people won’t learn how to control the dog in the event of a burglar entering your property and the dog attacks. The burglar has the right to sue you (I’ve seen it happened) for letting your “vicious” dog attack him, and to be truly evil, he might win the case and have your lovable guard dog put down.
And with the BSL spreading, if these “dangerous breeds” get into the media negatively, things could change for us who love these breeds. I’m against the BSL, but I’m for having a class or an exam required of new owners to have these dogs.
In my opinion, instead of trying to get “the baddest dog on the block” it’s best to rely on their reputation. My dobe made one guy cross the street when he walked past us, even my dobe was just relaxing. I don’t make her aggressive at all. She’s a big goofy baby, really but will attack if necessary. Best to use your own protection and have your dog warn you instead of allowing it to attack and end up losing it.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Who ever put this list together is Mentaly Challanged at Best. Get a life. Do some real Reserch. Better yet Get some hands on experiance before you go spreading missinformation.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Also. As far as the pitbull being a Guard dog, the breed was never desigend to be a guard dog. Some have had success training them to do Guard dog/protection type work. These dogs are the exeption not the rule when it comes to the breed.Yes it is possable a 120 pound rottie or Tosa or sutch can kill a 35 pound apbt but pound for pound the pitbull is hands down the ultamite canine warrior.Fact. If ya want a dog for pp get one from working stock .In just about any breed of dog bred to work you have two catigorys. Working stock vs Show/pet stock. Getting a dog bred down from working stock is way more importiant than the actual breed you choose.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
You may proceed with your list, then, Big Game.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
the dumb shit who said his big bad GSD whipped a Pit is a moron.
My Male who is the sweetest dog you could ever want, would eat a GSD for dinner and shit a hairball first thing in the morning.
A GSD is no match for any pure bred Pit with any gameness.
There is a reason why GSD were not popular with the old dog fighters back when dog fighting was legal.
I hope and prey that Pits are never considered a guard dog, the last thing Pit enthusiasts want is any kind of human aggression in Pits. Human aggression is a trait that was not bred for in Pits, and those that showed any were culled.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
I agree with cedestra. so what would be your list all knowing “big game?” Again, who cares if the apbt is the “ultimate” canine warrior? you just said they aren’t good guard dogs on average, so what’s your beef? Again, who gives a freakin’ damn about dog fighting? pound for pound they’re probably the toughest dog, but guess what dude, we don;t live in a pound for pound world. hell, a jagdterrier or patterdale is probably as game as most pits, especially when you consider 15-25 lb dogs being used to hunt wild boar, badger, bobcat, etc. the amstaff is the “show” version of the apbt, we get it. but for guard duty WHICH IS WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT? a good amstaff could suffice better than a poorly bred pit. you could have a mix breed that was large and had enough backbone to get the job done if trained properly for the average household. ABK, I mentioned the malinois several times. Great dogs.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
I dont need to put together a bullshit list. Titled working dogs bred to titled working dogs, that are down from working stock produce the same. WORKING animals. You wrote this
In the last decade the pitbull was seen as the badest, meanest breed of dog. Wrong! There are dogs that will wipe the floor with any breed of pitbull you can get. But that’s not the point here. A 30 kgs pitbull can be easily put down by a man who doesn’t fear dogs… but how about a 100 kg Caucasian Shepherd? So, if you want your home defended, here is a list of the Top 10 Badass guard dogs.
It looks as if you are the one with a hard-on for apbt’s. I am simply deffending my breed of choise.If the subject is PP dogs then keep the word pitbull out of youre mouth.Also I was pointing out the difference between working stock and show pet stock off all breeds not just apbt Vs.am. staff. Ps anyone who wants the biggest baddest Meanest dog is a total jackass.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Ps. The fact that you even mentioned A wolf hybred proves you are a complete f’in Idiot. The wolf hybred is unstable/shy to say the least. Nobody I repete nobody that is seriously into any kind of personal protection work with dog would ever use a damn wolf hybred.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Pit bulls should NEVER be trained as guard dogs because once they bite into flesh they will not let go unless they want to. Fighting pits that bit their handlers were put down so they are not human-aggressive which you need in a guard dog. My BoBo was a typical pit bull; he loved all humans and hated all dogs. He would tolerate a female but not a male.
I agree about the big livestock guard dogs being the best, especially the Turkish Kangal. The Ovcharka is too unstable around humans but the Kangal is very gentle with children.
July 16th, 2008 at 12:50 am
sgthacker- im just speaking from experiences other ppl have had with Maremmas. You might think you know a lot however military history shows that no one went near stock if they were used to guard it, replaced german shepherds, the 6 german shepherd story, the fact that they are now used as babysitters, goat farmers seem to think they can easily account for a black bear and the fact that their breed trait is described as a wolf slayer, and have been bred for the past 2000 years to do this task if intimidation has not worked. I havnt even heard about the cage fights with the animals youve described, apart from hearing about 3 illegal fights against pitts which the maremmas won, all ive heard about is stories from farmers.
Obviously grizzlys are out of the question for any dog, however you share a very naive opinion on wolves, i think generally the live stock guardian dogs are pretty close genetically to wolves, and are bred to kill them one on one. You have to remember maremmas are strategic fighters, their not just run up and hit.
Im not bagging german shepherds, the police force in my state uses them as well, and if i get my way i will hopefully be training them, i was merely stating their are many other dogs that should be above them. Well the allied forces seemed to think so when they replaced them with maremmas. Live stock guardian dogs are generally the best guard dogs as you can have a relationship with the dog, you can never hit the dog, their bred to give their lives for you in a second, they bred to be able to kill wolves and black bears, they dont take food off strangers and they make their own decisions and tell what their protecting where the safest place to go is.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:03 am
And by strangers i dont mean blokes jumping your fence, i mean strangers that have been accepted by his owners. I had a bbq, my uncle tried to feed him a steak, he refused it, my old man took the steak and gave it to him and he accepted it. He then spent the rest of the afternoon lying next to a baby who was being fed and spent the whole time chasing a pomeranian off who was snappy against the baby due to the food. Also my border went a kid, he was stuck half way at birth but was a good dog, just a bit agro sometimes, however the maremma chased him away as well. This is what their bred to do, protect and thats why their used as flock dogs and now babysitters in the city regions.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Worst. List. Ever.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Little game, what’s your problem dude? I didn’t put this list together, so get that out’ve your head. the fact is there is no real top 10, it’s all very objective and open for discussion. I would not include, NOR DID I SAY I would use a wolf hybrid for guard duty, I would not really want one as a pet (don’t bring that crap up again I know many people own them and they do fine). You keep stating the obvious pal, anyone with half a brain knows to get a dog out’ve working stock whether it’s for ring sport, akc retriever trials, or guard duty. Do you think you’re really telling anyone here something they don’t already know? You’re not that dense are you? the list is fine, every breed mentioned out’ve good stock could do well as a guard dog here as well as several others mentioned like the malinois, maremma, etc.
Again, einstein, show you and parabellum show us your list or shut the hell up!
July 17th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
willie,
I think you and I are on the same page. I greatly respect and like the LGDs like the akbash, maremma, kangal, anatolian, caucasian mtn dog, central asian ovtcharka, spanish mastiff, kuvasz, etc. I still say from everything I’ve read, a large gray wolf (130+ lbs-the largest ever recorded was around 176 lbs) with their speed, ferocity, and jaw power is no walk in the park for ANY dog in a wild setting. Male black bears can approach 500lbs and are extremely powerful, so you’re asking a lot for a dog to defeat something like that. I love dogs but I don’t think they’re superheroes and I don’t believe everything I’ve read and I’ve read a great deal. Can a LGD kill an average or smaller type middle eastern/european wolf, yes. But you get my drift. If I was a farmer or livestock owner, the maremma, akbash, etc would be at the top of my list.
Now back to you gameboy. You are the one who seems very confused. You’ve been wrong on who wrote this list, and you’re wrong on me having something for pitbulls. You seem to be the apbt owner and an insecure one at that. So don’t come here cusssing and trying to act tough, boy when you obviously don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. If I was a landowner and defending my porperty you damn right I’d want the “baddest meanest dog” (and the bigger the better) like a kangal, boerboel, fila, cao, or caucasian mtn dog. You need to go back to the beginning and try and catch up, and attempt to add something to the discussion, because so far you’ve done neither. You seem to be the one that is thin-skinned and insecure about pits, and wants to own a dog that the average no-nothing joe will think is the “baddest” dog around. So come on know-it-all, if you think you can do better and share your “vast” knowledge of guard dogs with us, bring it on tough guy or just go away. You’ve said nothing to make anyone here believe yoiu know s**t about dogs, other than being a pitbull cheerleader who had his feeling hurt.
As for you “Game” blah blah blah PITBULL, just shut up. You’re an idiot who knows nothing. You’re a low-life wannabe thug dog fighter who’s trying to act tough. Pits aren’t the problem, losers who own them like you are the problem. Was the 80lb catahoula who scaled it’s eight foot fence and attacked and killed the pit a cur? He’s not a fighting breed, he’s a ranch type dog, but he sure busted your game pit bull’s ass, and all you’re doing is speculating and blowing up your average pit bull like he’s some badass or something. Ther’e plenty of sorry pits out ther, who knows you might have one?? lol If you’re so sure of him hopa plane to Pakistan, Japan, afganistan (better bring a gun) or turkey tough guy. Guys like you are a joke and make this board dumber with each of your posts. Mr. powerranger dog fighter. ha haha hell, go down to your local police station and say you want your great pit to challenge a czech border patrol import shepherd. what a joke. try and talk guard dogs and the insecure dogfighters come out’ve the closet cause the superman pitbull isn’t getting any love. pathetic
July 18th, 2008 at 1:23 am
Yes killing large grey wolves is extremely difficult, the same with black bears, its tough, however luckily for both the predator and the dog it doesnt happen to often due to the dogs intimidation skills.
This is why LGD dogs are so affective and are being used against not only wolves and bears, but cougars, dingoes and wild dogs, intimidation generally wins out, however LGD dogs are still very capable of holding their own.
They do things other dogs of the same size cannot due to their strategy, a Maremma only weighs 45 odd kgs, however they are said to be as strong as a 70 kg dog, through their sheer determination to do their job. Their independent dogs and as they are very smart, they see a situation and pick an approach or fighting techique that would best suit the approach. One must remember also wolves hunt in packs, so their experience one on one may not be as great. But yes, its a risky business and one will lose a few LGD dogs to wolves.
July 18th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
sgthacker,
If you watch the youtube videos about Kangals going out with their flocks you’ll see that there is almost always more than on of them. I agree with you that it would be difficult for one Kangal to take down a wolf but from what I’ve read it happens a lot. As for bears and cougars, it would for sure take more than one Kangal to defeat either one of them.
Kangals are now used in Africa to protect livestock from Cheetahs and this has been very successful in keeping that endangered species alive because now the herders don’t shoot them. The dogs run them off. Livestock breeders in Yellowstone Park are also using Kangals to ward off wolves with the same success.
I would love to have a Kangal but my little suburban yard is too small. Besides, my wife is dead set against another dog.
July 20th, 2008 at 1:26 am
Sgthacker, I was Wrong about you being the creator of the list. I apologize for that. As for being an expert on guard dogs. I’m far from one. I do however know more than the averge Joe when it comes to the A.P.B.T.
With that said.
You are a peice of shit period. Total FuckTard.Are you a psycologest ASSHOLE??? Got me all figgured out Huh??
WRONG DICKHEAD. LMFAO
Calling me a Wanna be Thug dogfighter, Just because I own a Pitbull and Know there history. What a Fuggin D-Bag. I do not fight dogs. Nor do I support or simpatize with dogfighters.
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Pits aren’t the problem, losers who own them like you are the problem.
Wrong Spanky!
Its assholes like you who belive anyone who owns a pitbull and is Proud of the Breed and familure with its history is a “THUG DOGFIGHTER” It’s dick heads like youreself that dont have any experiance or actual knowlidge of the apbt,yet go around slandering the breed and its owners. It’s stupid mutherfuckers like the creator of this ignorant ass list. If the point is to Make a list of top guard dogs than why Ever even mention the apbt. Why start the list with a heading that starts with
“In the last decade the pitbull was seen as the badest, meanest breed of dog. Wrong! There are dogs that will wipe the floor with any breed of pitbull you can get.”
Only reason there could be is to SLANDER and Mame the immage of the all around, all american breed the great APBT!
Ps There is only one breed of A.P.B.T. within that breed are strains or familys. The AM. Staff, S.B.T. etc are not pit bull terriers.
Without Respect …. Big Game.
July 20th, 2008 at 5:31 am
Theres generally no bad Pit Bulls, theres just bad owners. Look at the temperament tests, Pit Bulls score higher than the majority of breeds that are considered good family dogs. Just because someone owns a APBT doesnt mean they want to fight them, APBT are used for search and rescue, police work, and even work involving the sick. Their high pain tolerance makes them great dogs, however unfortunately its also means you get idiots who want to fight them. And not all Pit Bulls want to fight, its like not all Grey Hounds can chase. The comment made up the top about wiping the floor is irrelevant. Whats that got to do with guarding?
July 20th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Why don’t you ask the person who came up with the list why they put that at the beginning you stupid, ignorant, dense piece of shit? I DIDN’T PUT THIS LIST TOGETHER SO QUIT GETTING YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD YOU MORON!!! HOW CAN ANYONE BE SO STUPID??!!! Yeah, I do have you figured out you retarded immature loser, you’re a stupid, dumb, freaking idiot. You make the whole board dumber with each of your posts. You obviously can’t spell, and your one trick pony act is getting old. How old are you, tough guy? 10-12? what a freaking joke, I’ll forget more about any breed of dog than you’ll ever know, LOSER!
APBT’s are reg’d with the ABDA and UKC association, the amstaff and american staffordshire bull terrier with the akc. Who gives a fuck you piece of crap? what does that have to do with anything? THE WHOLE POINT IS, SIMPLETON, THIS POST IS ABOUT THE 10 BEST GUARD DOGS AND WHOEVER MADE IT GAVE THIER OPINION, AND YOUR PIT WASN’T ON IT, SO DEAL W/ IT, NITWIT. QUIT CRYING LAKE A LITTLE BABY. ALSO, QUIT ACTING ALL TOUGH BEHIND YOUR MAMA’S DELL, SAYING THINGS YOU KNOW YOU WOULDN’T IN PERSON. I’M NOT FOR BSL OR DON;T GO OUT’VE MY WAY TO RUN OVER PITS, YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT. YOU STARTED THIS SHIT, DUDE, SO GET OVER IT. THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN TEACH ME ABOUT APBTS, POODLES, OR ANY BREED OF DOG, LITTLE BOY. THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN TEACH ME PERIOD.
Go back to school, get educated, quit worrying about your superhero dog getting a bad name. Why would I have to do that? You and people like you, take care of that already? I suppose big game is a reference to your upcoming tennis match? Give us all a break, einstein. You’re making a fool out’ve yourself, boy.
Now I will start from the beginning, try and keep up, double-digit IQ. I didn’t put this list together, I don’t hate pitbulls. I don’t care for people who fight dogs, or go around talking s**T about my dog can beat up three rotts, pits have locking jaws, “gameness, blah blah” etc. People who know nothing about other breeds or countries. People who chain them up and then wonder why they attacked a child, or an old woman walking a poodle. There are WAY too many sorry ass pits being bred today for the wrong reasons, can you deny that? Sorry, unstable dogs who end up in the newspaper due to idiots for owners that are low-life undeducated morons. Just watch the news, buddy. Maybe the AUTHOR of this post doesn’t like pits, maybe he’s sick of all the hype they get from big mouths or them attacking innocent people or dogs, or maybe he’s just trying to say to the “average joe” that doesn’t know about kangals, etc and just knows about pits, rotts, etc that there are other more powerful breeds out there. Why don’t you pose your questions to the author of the post, bright guy?
I’ve read and own about every book Stratton, Jessup, Semencic, and others have written about pits, etc. A good friend of mine’s family has bred pits for nearly 50 yrs. What are you going to teach me, boy? Don’t make me laugh. I’ve seen, competed in, and judged numerous events for performance breeds of dogs over the years. I’ve dealt with protection training experts and many different breeds.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? IF YOU DON’T LIKE THIS LIST, GIVE US YOURS, KNOW-IT-ALL? YOU’VE SAID NOTHING ON HERE TO MAKE ME THINK YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PITS OR ANY BREED OF DOG. AGAIN, WHAT MAKES YOU AN EXPERT? DID I STRIKE A NERVE? DOES THE TRUTH HURT?
go back to the freakin’ beginning if the thread and you can see where the tough guy pit bull infants started cussing and attacking everyone cause they geot their feelings hurt. Grow some thicker skin, and some nads while you’re at it. You need to face the facts that due to irresponsible owners, breeders, and sorry, unstable specimens that your dog deserves a lot of the bad press it’s getting. Clean up your own trailer park instead of attacking others. Every damn thread you come across about dogs some immature big mouth pit fan’s gotta start crap. If you want to use your pit to guard your shotgun house go ahead, or bring something useful to this conversation bring it on, otherwise shut up and go away, punk.
July 20th, 2008 at 11:34 am
damn yall take these list way way to serious stop bitchen these list are just for fun take one or two chill pills and relax yall wine like a bunch of females
(and im only talking to the two fuckers above me who like i said are bitchen)
damn
any dog is a good dog if the owner shows it lovin
and a dog will automaticly take care of its family witch includes its master
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:21 am
not sure what planet some of you are on whether you have a problem with them or not pit bulls pound for pound will wipe the floor with another dog , as for people most aren`t even interested and anyone who would train them to be people aggressive is just building a time bomb! as for guard dogs any breed or cross breed big enough that has sufficient drive and trained properley can guard and guard well , breed is insignificant .
July 23rd, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Breed is significant, you just have to look at the allied forces when they used German Shepherds as guard dogs, being army dogs they wouldve been properly trained. Anyway the dogs were useless as guard dogs and stock was being stollen. It wasnt until they replaced them with Maremma Sheepdogs that nothing was being stollen. German Shepherds are reasonably big dogs and obviosly wouldve had the correct training, just proves ‘itchy’ theories flawed, breed does matter. Maremmas are bred to give their life for what their protecting, thats the difference between the significance of the breeds.
July 24th, 2008 at 6:30 am
What about the Hovawart! Thats a freaking beast,with a heart for its family
. I have to full grown males, and there are NO-body who’s entering our house without our permission. The oldest one was attacked by a dogo argentino, unprovoked, and he put him to pieces, metaphorically speaking. But still the 6 year old girl in the house could lay down on him and pull his ears – and hes loving it. Freinds who visits our house just have to say hello and get “approved” by us, and then they are ok! Also it’s a very intelligent breed wich also counts in a fight, not because we are using him for that, but when he “plays rough” with the other big male dogs in the park it really shows. try to google hovawart – if you don’t know the breed, and read about this amasing dog.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:50 am
All and all I think the list was great. There are so many different breeds out there that would make good guard dogs. I think a fila brasileiro is in the top 2 or 3. Read about the breed, they do not like anyone who is a stranger. Also the South Russian are VERY protective. Rhodesian Ridgebacks… Tibeatan Mastiffs also….i mean the list can go on and on. I am actually in the process of purchasing an 8 month old male Caucasian Ovcharka that weighs 90 pounds.I own a medical distributorship with millions of dollars of equitment at my house (i work from my house) so i need that level of protection. deviljin, since you own a caucasian, please tell me what i can expect and what I need to do to prepare myself. I have grown up with dogs all my life. Had rotts, pits etc. I also own a rhodesian ridgeback. The lady said this particular dog is not very aggressive but is protective. Thanks for the help man!
July 25th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Shelby from what I’ve read, the Ovckarka is second only to the Turkish Kangal as a protector, but can be a dangerous dog in the wrong(read WEAK) hands. Here is an overview of the breed. Read it closely as the CO is not an animal to be trifled with. If you don’t establish yourself as its pack leader you will be in big trouble;
http://www.molosserdogs.com/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=content&tid=1224
July 25th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
One other thing; I’m not saying you’re weak. You have experience in handling big dogs which is good. It’s just that the Ovcharka doesn’t like humans very much. It would much rather be with its livestock than humans. And they shed a lot, like the Kangal does. Just make sure he knows who’s boss and you should be fine.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Shelby – I am terribly sorry if I misled you but I don’t own one, however, a friend of mine does and I’ve experienced being with it and talking about its history and all. In my opinion, if you’re not strong enough to handle it in case it pulls on the leash when you’re walking it (be better if you lived in an open space type place where it can get most of its exercise on its own aside from you walking it) then they may be not the best (you better have a really HIGH fence, more than six feet high). However, since you’ve grown up with dogs, I don’t doubt your experience but then again, this is an attack dog. There are levels of guard dog you should consider. There’s a watchdog, which can be good. Ive heard that the Tibetan spaniel would bark if there was an intruder, then the Tibetan Mastiff would come out. Yikes! There’s the sentry dog which patrols a lot like the Mastiff did, early in it history, however trained Mastiff usually hold down their intruders, not attack. There’s the protection dog – dobermans, german shepherds, etc. and then there’s the attack dog bred to attack, which needs a lot of socializing while young then when it becomes of a certain age, their natural instincts really kick in. Before you actually get the CO, consider some things before you do. A good CO will tolerate your friends but don’t expect it to be a teddy bear. I’ve seen some to be good with other dogs, but then again, these are dogs they grew up with. There will be some things you can’t do with this dog that other normal dogs you can do with. You should consider the Canis Panther as well. It is a HIGHLY defensive dog, but remember there are some things you can’t do with these dogs that you can with normal dogs. Also get a HIGH fence. Be better if you go with the protection dog, but it is your choice. The Dogo Argentino is a good dog as well. It is independent like a cat, but can be affectionate and works great in packs as their history states. They were bred to work in packs on the hunt.
Don’t get the Kangal dog as the previous comment suggested if you don’t have the space for him. It is a BIG dog and needs space.
July 26th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Why isnt the Kangal in the list, seriously how can you have a top ten list than includes a rottie, german shepherd and a doberman, but doesnt include a Kangal. And insted of having a Pyrenese Mountain dog, you would have the Akbash or Maremma, ive read that its sometimes better to cross breed a Pyr with a Maremma to harden it up if being used as a working dog.
July 27th, 2008 at 3:12 am
I agree with you, Harleymike. Practically all the bull and terrier races (American stafford, British Stafford, Pitbull, Bullterrier) are man-loving creatures – ever wondered why even the most aggressive Pitbulls never kill their tormentors? If the pitbull trained for fighting is ferocious, it is because these poor creatures are so terribly mistreateded from their earliest days on that they just go bonkers.
And, of course, all bull & terriers are heavy, muscled dogs with strong jaws who lock on their prey, so it´s no fun being bitten by them, but the thing is – they normally don´t bite. They are very slow to anger. The only time you have to watch out is when an 80-pound pit who REALLY likes you comes charging at you at 150 miles per hour, yapping with joy and very eager to jump into your arms!
July 27th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Pit Bulls dont have locking jaws, they are just very determined not to let go, i wouldve tough being a Pit Bull lover you wouldve known this.
July 27th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Willie’s right, pits can’t “lock” their jaws. This myth has persisted through the years because bully breeds have strong jaws, they bite with lots of force and they don’t want to let go. Most pit bull owners have “break” sticks to pry their jaws open.
July 28th, 2008 at 4:08 am
I think it was the owner’s fault for the behavior of the dog that bit me. It was only a medium sized mutt, wasn’t even harmful looking. It only scratched my skin but I was so p***ed off (annoyed) because I wasn’t even in the dog’s yard, that I reported to the police. I was told that I was the third person the dog bit(attacked). Two/three years later, the dog’s owner was in the local news because he’s mentally ill and he threatened to blow up the high school. I’m glad he didn’t seek revenge for me making the police report.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:21 am
Drogo, it sounds like it was the owners fault for sure, poor dog probably got put down, however if it only broke your skin why the hell would you report it to the police. That probably made it certain to be put down, all because of the owner. When in a loving family it couldve been straightened out a bit.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
I don’t know what’s wrong with u all.. we are talking about GUARD DOGS,against man,other dogs,wild animals,etc…and the best for all this jobs are the flock guardian dogs,i live in Romania,and we here have 3 sheperd breeds,witch are used for defending against wolwes,linx,bear,thieves…so the best from that list (and from this world)would be an Caucasian Ovcharka,nothing stops him when he is protecting his owner,my friend has one,and when he was a puppy he was so sweet,but not he is a beast at only 9 months,u cannot aproach him at all
August 1st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Pitt’s are not that good,and the stupid ideea that they lock they’r jaw
) must be really dumb to belive that,lets face it ,i have a great respect for Pit Bulls,they great working intelligent dogs,who will do anything for they’r owner,there are many pit bull heroes if u search on youtube,but there are A lot of dogs who will win in a fight against a Pit,no matter how big his jaws are,for instant:Caucasian Ovcharka,Tosa,Nebolish Mastiff,American Bulldog,Kangall,Rottweiler,Dogo Canario,Tibetan Mastiff,Boerboel,etc…but it seams that u are fanathics in the support that the Pitt is the best fighter,of coure he is the best,cause he fights only other Pitts.Putt an AMPBT into a yard of a Rotty or everything eles mancyoned above and see what’s going to happen.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:39 pm
I don’t want to see dogs fighting, ESPECIALLY pit bulls. And if the Ovcharka is that unapproachable, people in urban and suburban environments should not have one. A dog like that should only be with his flock.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Dear sir ,
the side is good but not offer much information and hope me which dog is strong guard between three kinds Rottweiler ,German Shepherd or Doberman Pinscher at least hope tell me which one number one , second and the third
Best regards
khaled
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:45 am
well,you can soccialize the Caucazian Ovcharka,but he never will be u’re slave,and he isn’t a dog for the city,cause he needs a big yard with big fences,but i assure u if u want a dog that is the ultimate protector than get u’reself a caucasian…and sorry for the Filla Brasilero,i forgot about him
they are one of the most human agressive dogs to,but if u live in cold areas u should never get one,cause he suffers from the cold,great dogs anyway
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:54 am
and AMPBT are great fighters,but with dogs,from they’r size or a little bigger,but if u match a 30 kg Pit with a 100 kg Bullmastiff there is not really fair…and i really do hate dog fight
( a dog should protect if necessary not fight each other for amusament..and u can use them at hunting allso(he has terrier blood,and terriers no matter how small will fight with everything)i’ve heard that in New Zealand a Jack Russel Terrier has died in a fight to the death with a Pitt,cause the Pitt attacked his owner that was walking him and his owner was pretty much a child,but the terrier defended him to the death 
( now that is a protecting dog
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:10 am
On April 29th, 2007, a Jack Russell named George saved five children in New Zealand from an attack by two pit bulls. He was reported to have charged at them and held them at bay long enough for the kids to get away. He had to be put down due to injuries and was posthumously awarded a medal of bravery, normally reserved for humans, by the SPCA.[5] A former US Marine also donated a Purple Heart award he received for service in Vietnam to George’s owner. [6]
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 am
Again I log on here and i see more stuff about all the dogs that would take down a PIT BULL.More facts people 1)PITS don’t lock their jaws they just bite and don’t want to let go.So if this happens around any of you dog fighting experts save the bats for baseball and the boiling water for the rice/noodles,and get a breaking stick which is about 2″-3″ in diameter with a point and grab the pit by the scruff of the neck & insert the sick between the jaws and pry them open and pull the dog off the pit won’t bite you if the other dog is not a pit he will probably be in panic mode and it may bite you so be aware of the other dog.2)When is the last time you saw any of these other breeds fight for over 2hrs and come out wagging their tails and looking for another dog.I’ll tell you when never.If you can get a rotty or sheperd ,mastiff or any of these other breeds to fight more than 10-15 mins. it would surprise me.That is the difference between APBT’s and other breeds they have been bred from several different variety’s of dogs till they came up with the best.Many PITS have different fighting styles some are head dogs,leg dogs I’ve even known a couple that would go up under a dog and open it’s belly or his nuts(fight over).What would your breed do when a little bitty PIT grabbed it’s nose and crushed it,ripped off his ear or crushed it’s foot/leg and shook it so hard the shoulder popped out of its socket, I’ve seen these things happen and I know what your breed would do SHIT AND GET.Are all pit bulls invincible?No,even Mike Tyson got knocked out by a nobody. But if you log on to [URL removed] you’ll see about 100 pits that I would put up against your tosa’s,rotties or any other kind of PIT BULL food you want to bring to the party.That caucasian mountain dog is a little scary though(to much hair and size) but I do know of a few PITS under 50 lbs. pit weight who would really put their pain threshold and will to fight to a test.You haven’t lived till you’ve seen what a really hard biting ringwise deadgame PIT can do(TOU’LL CHANGE YOUR WHOLE OUTLOOK ON TOUGH DOGS).3)As far as the JRT in New Zealand to bad he died GOD BLESS HIM.All of the terrier breeds sometimes have more balls than brains, but then thats the difference between NAVY SEAL’s,ARMY RANGERS and MARINE RECON as opposed to infantry grunts.Sometimes an overwhelming force wins but they will pay the price.
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:00 am
I understand u,and u probbably right with the Pitt Bull that they are good fighting dogs,and the most used breed in the world for that job..but i am not talking about FIGHTS IN THE RING!!! i am talking about this dogs for protection,not for fighting in the ring,and belive me in the streets,a dog fight is tottaly diferent…and where lets just say a owner has a Tibetan mastiff,or a boerboel(not to mancion any ovcharkas)or a fila brasilero,and a pitt would attack it’s owner,what do u think will be the fight like??I saw it even on animal planet onces,when a pitt got his ass kicked by an american bulldog,and the pitt had to be put asleep because of the injuries…so the Pitt is probbably one of the best fighting machines…but ONLY IN THE RING!!!!!!THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE
August 6th, 2008 at 1:26 am
All i can say is… thanks Harely Mike, we seem to be on the same page ….
“There are exceptions to every rule(intelligent niggers,honest/generous jews,hardworking/honest hispanics who aren’t looking to scam the USA,etc…)”
Vary rarely do i meet a human being that reminds me of the TRUE America im fighting for!!! thanks.
Semper FI
August 6th, 2008 at 2:25 am
Also (to Harley Mike) i dont know where you are from…. ( im from NC) but you are also the first person out of this whole thread that seemed to be describing the APBT that i know and love …. maybe these guys are confused with some other animal… but no fuckin dog will “wipe the floor” with my pit … ( BTW sgthackr try not to take this as another opportunity to tell someone to go to afgan. or Iraq. since i have been twice …. have you?) What? u actually do your own fighting ??? outrageous huh?? turns out there are actually human beings out fighting a war…. ( i know you prolly wouldnt understand the concept of Honor Courage Commitment)
loosing there lives… to come home to here pansy low life scum like you go around bashing a breed just because of your bad experience. And half of these dogs your talking about sat around nawing on an MRE will we blasted away there owners and mowed down there family’s … you know wat your amazing pit bull eating dogs did…. followed us back to the humv beggin for affection.. real loyal there BOY … thats right BOY cause thats what you are … your how old and still using words like Cool and dude ??? wtf? your how old and had how much experience with dogs … im confused … where do you find the time? ive been on this site 2 times and every time you have like 10 new post…. sounds to me like your just a nerd that educated himself on a few breeds after being attacked by a neigbors pitbull while on your way to the mail box to get this months latest video game…. you are a punk… nothing more… you like to call people little boys, and thinskined …. tell them they wouldnt say the same things if they were in person? well i tell you what… ill call your bluff … i will meet you … of course that is when im not over seas fighting for your right to be an internet nerd with a pitbull grudge. I think you need to get a life, get laid, get out of the house, and see things for what they really are… all of your info comes from a friend, or a book, or someone you knew told you… or a family of breeders. SO FUCKING WHAT >>>> i talk to people all the time that are full of shit… they say things like.. we never went to the moon …. jfk=conspiracy… 9 1 1 never happend. After nearly 5 yrs in the United states Marine Corps
1st Marine Division 1st Force Recon Co. i have had people tell me that we arent even at war. But guess what until u actually get off your bed sore covered lazy ass and find out … you never know. and sooo im a Jar head… big insult there … you learn that off your video game? sooo you watched a movie? and i give a fuck we are also refered to as Jar Head, Leather Neck, Devil Dog, and you know what … thats a fucking right of passage, we earned the right to be called that, and are damn proud of it… what have you ever earned? You have “forgot more than i have ever learned”? which by the way you seem to have to keep using that one among others…its ok .. i understand that your brain is soo small you have to recycle info. but if you really believe that your are a fucking riot…. ive seen things your tiny pebble sized brain couldnt even fathem…. and as for me cussing to hide my lack of command for the english lang. that may be your excuse pussy boy … mine comes more along the lines of usualy when an ignorant fuck like you drives me to the level of anger i am at… its normaly about the same time i dropping desert sand or lime on my boots to cover there blood. See there use to be this thing where brains and a geeky attitude were sore loosers to size, power, and stealth…. now days you have your pussy computer to hide behind enabling you to call a US Marine war Veteran a “piece of shit” and have no worrys of retaliation…
one problem… you never factored in the sanity or, state of mind this marine in question is in…. has he just seen large numbers of children women, and fellow marines killed… is he crazy enough to use millitary intlgnc. to track me threw my IP… or is he just a pissed off marine sitting thousands of miles away in and R&R Camp outside Fellujah Iraq….. either way remember you start bashing the only thing some people have left to love, and then the people in question… well you never know how far that person has been pushed … im carrying this to a very far extreme… i understand this… But do you understand that you as well are carying this to a very far extreme… when every time some one makes a comment about a APBT no matter what the content of there post … you respond by bashing every thing they said .. even though they werent directly offensive toward you or even speaking to you… when you do this you start asking for extreme… you sir polluted this post and did exactly what you said you “hate” turned it into a whinny pitbull thread, the ironic part is… if you would have left the first two or three posters about pitbulls to there own beliefs and not tryed to lecture every body that mentioned the name APBT… this would not even be in discussion right now… we would be talking about the list… sooo you have an opinion… why does every one else have to submit to your opinion? are you some kind of control freak where you bullied or molested as a child? i have pushed this post to the very extreme to show you what its like from the other end of the spectrum
its stupid
who cares what people think… if you know what you beleive and what you think… and you have your own little “facts” BFD if the rest of the world doesnt agree… thats why we have different breeds of dogs, different cars, and houses…. people are different … ne ways im done
Canady A Jason
1st Marine Division
1st Recon Bn
USMC
August 6th, 2008 at 2:54 am
With all this being said … i would like to note that 99 percent of my insults all though seemingly a personal attack on you (Sgthacker) they arent … they were for the sole purpose of getting across my point … i do not know you individualy but from what i have read i do not think you are a bad person, nor do i have any beef with you. You are obviously well educated indivivual with alot to offer.
although we ahare a slightly differed opinion on the APBT i do agree and share many of your other views. I would also like to note although i may have seem hot headed and upset ( i was a little) i never speak or share my imput in any form with out first educateding my self… so i did read all of the former post… 3 times in fact. I believe under different circumstances or in a different thread providing we had a different introduction… we would share the same views and probably be arguing for the same cause. I think even though i read every thing you had to say in all of your post, i judged you to quickly and didnt give you a chance… after cooling off and going back and listening to some of the things you had to share.. i regret a few of the negative insults i threw in your direction… i just would like for you to understand that not all APBT owners are getto living poverty striken lazy hoods, with logging chains around a pitbull to fight our battles…. there are still a few good and honest hard working americans that just love the breed.
on that note i will appologize for being so extreme and harsh. dont take it personal i just love my dogs… for some of us they are all we have.. and especially when i havent seen them in months.
August 6th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
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jmarine1 NC boy thanks for your support(here and overseas)GARNERS CHINAMAN ring a bell?If not type it in and check out his strain of dogs that would show these ignorant APBT experts what a real PIT fights like,not some fucking shit somebody bred because they looked tough or had a big head or loud bark(akc mentality).A pretty car goes nowhere without an engine.Anyway man don’t let these nonothing noitalls get your balls in a bunch,ain’t worth the blood pressure.
August 8th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Well…certainly not an objvective list. Sure, many of these dogs are highly capable guardians but ranking on a scale of 1-10 is a bit silly.
As for the rankings preface; pitt bull, is a term used to encapsulate a group of a dozen or so dogs. If it is the American Pitt Bull Terrier being referenced, of course they would not make this list, the sole purpose of that breed was to fight, and kill, other animals for entertainment at the turn of the centary in the States…not to attack people.
The reason they were used to develop breeds like the boerboel and corso was to selectvely isolate the predatory nature of the “pitt” into a far larger dog. DNA testing has proven that the Corso is aprox 65% American Pitt. If you don’t believe me, read the independent foundation stock report published by the AKC in 1996.
August 10th, 2008 at 8:10 am
There is so much ignorance.
The most effective guard dog depends on the needs of the person who desires one for specific needs. It proves this list is written from someone who doesn’t understand the concepts of different functions and uses for breeds. If you need a moderate guardian animal that will not need to use a lot of physical force to make its point across, German Shepherds or Dobermans are some of the perfect choices. Majority of people wouldn’t argue with police dog, but the need for mastiffs are for those who would. GSD designed for using their force on humans, not animals (unlike breeds like kangals). Those breeds (GSD and Doberman) are not the toughest (or in terms, man stoppers). They are agile, lighter with a weaker bite force and grip than a Cane Corso for example. They put all their momentum as soon as contact is made, using they force from the impact. Sure, they can bite you, but if you have someone really determined to get away, a German Shepherd or Doberman just might not be suitable.
Mastiffs – Bulldogs(Gladiator Breeds)
Rottweilers fall into this category, but it doesn’t mean it was meant to fight animals either. Although once upon a time an early phenotype related to the modern rottweiler was used for animal combat in Roman arenas, they are very different today. They are more suitable for taking down men than GSD and Dobermans due to their heavier weight and greater biting power. Also, they attack in a mastiff manner. Using their weight, rather than impact to take a man down. They can hold a man better using their strength and weight. However, the rottweiler is one of the good ones depending on the owner, there are others.
The Dogo Argentino is a big game hunter. Like pitbulls they will protect if it is needed, however, training them for the specific task could leave someone with less than expecting results. They are a breed with a function used mainly on catching boars and sometimes the puma in Argentina. Their cost is all white to deter a rising body temperature of the Arentine heat while in the hunt. The dogo is not a guardian breed, the dogo is a hunting/catch breed.
Greater Swiss Mountain Dog can guard but is not bred for it. Its function is a companion dog in modern days.
Other breeds listed are guardian or protection dogs. The live stock guardians can protect from man and animal, but their loose folds of skin, immense size, huge teeth large muscular heads indicates they were bred for the use of fighting animals. Understand, that doesn’t mean dog fighting like the APBT or the Japanese Tosa (who are the world’s only strictly fighting dogs with no other purpose in mind with their creation, but it doesn’t mean other breeds aren’t used for dog fighting even if they werent bred for it. All gladiators can harm and kill other dogs. Gladiator breeds are the strongest and fight originated group of dogs. The GSD and Doberman, have no mastiff decent, therefore, they are lesser, non gladiator) it means they are gladiators with some of the most primitive mastiff decent. The term mastiff means if you go back far enough, you will uncover phenotypes of dogs bred for more drastic needs of fighting. Thus, explaining the logic of the larger more powerful bodies, with large heads, loose skin, and powerful jaws.
The Dogo, pitbull, kangal, cane corso, american bulldog are all on moloss.com, which means every single one of these breeds are gladiators with different functions. All gladiators have loose thick skin and powerful, broad jaws.
Live stock guardians are guardian gladiators. They are generally more intelligent, able to understand when the need of intimation is needed or attack.
The big game hunters, such as the American bulldogs, alano or dogo. Used for catching and controlling large and dangerous game.
The fighting dogs. The pitbull and the tosa. Used for combating other breeds of dog and mastering it by having the perfect phenotype and genotype. The balance of loose skin for enabling them or still keep a hold on the other dog, while being in a hold themselves , jaw power and temperament, explains their reign of the ring. Pitbull owners are very ignorant of other breeds combating. The tosa would kill any pitbull out of its weight class. The matching of dogs in their weight class is very important. Gladiators agaisnt pitbulls who are larger, chances are would kill the pitbull. It is because they are gladiators too. However, lb for lb, nothing touches the pitbull. As for everything else out of the pitbull range, a tosa inu would handle them fine.
Another interesting tip about the tosa is, they used alot of pitbull terrier blood, after bull and terrier in the 1900s(not bull terrier) to improve their stock of fighting dogs. Alot of tosa look like pitbulls for a reason…
The pitbull can protect, but isn’t a guard dog. Therefore, I am happy it isn’t in this list as a owner of pitbulls. But then it leaves the list. There shouldn’t be one. Because the people who actually used these breeds for working purposes probably weren’t aware of some fictional internet list either.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Gladiator/girl thank you for your very informative post. I’ve read it three times.
And to all you pit bull ‘dogmen’ with tiny penises, you are killing the breed. You are the reason BSL is creeping silently and deadly across America.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Seems like all you are taking this list WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. It’s not written in stone. It’s not something BINDING. There are 100s of breeds that aren’t even mentioned and can guard.
August 11th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Sasha, those 100’s of breed can guard, but difference is drastic when you take breeds bred for a specific task, and those who are able to barely make the grade.
We all know German Shepherds are quick, but you’ll never see one doing running more effectively than a sight hound. If you aren’t aware what sight hound breeds are, think Greyhounds, Saluki or Irish Wolf dog. All the breeds mentioned in sight hound group are bred with emphasis on their ability to run swiftly. Their phenotypic traits are similar. Long legs, slender bodies, jet stream head with small ears that lays flat upon their head, a deep chest which hold large lungs that gives more oxygen to the blood, allowing the heart to pump faster, and not to mention the extremely flexible spine to increase the stride in one motion, thus enabled the sight hounds to gain more ground, running faster than wild wolf. (Think of the cheetah design)
Toy breeds, such as Chihuahua, can protect by barking and deterring intruders but what if it calls for attack? Lab could do the same, but it lacks key elements for a guardian. Attack.
You see, gladiator breeds have three main classes with dog fighting only having two breeds true to purpose. (Pitbull and Tosa)
Guardian (Man and Animal) Man -Neopolitain Mastiff, Animal -Kangal
Big game Hunting – American Bulldog
Fighting (Dog fighting)
Gladiators not only attack more effectively, they have more resistance to it based on their purpose. So yes, Kody the Golden Retriever can protect you, but I’d feel more comfortable with a Neo mastiff.
August 11th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I understand, gladiatorgirl. I found it quite annoying how people are declaring a specific dog to be the best (especially the damn pitbull), when really, as you said, there is a specific dog to guard a specific thing. You wouldn’t use a flock guardian in a surburbs and wouldn’t use a Rott to guard sheep (flock guardians often hide within the sheep).
August 11th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Flock guardians can be used in the suburbs as long as you have a big family and socialise them a lot. I have a Maremma Sheepdog, and he is a great guardian dog, meaning you can also have a relationship with the dog. As long as you exercise them a little, but a lot of exercise isnt required as they’re bred to deal with what ever situation they live in. He is 50kg and has to sleep inside due to the barking, however he checks everyone is in bed each night, he then scans the back yard and the streets out the front until his happy no-ones there, and only then will he sleep at the front door. And im telling you now, we and the person visiting know when someones at the door.
If you know a lot about the breed they can make great dogs, however on average they are the 4th most given up dog in Australia, as idiots sell them at pet stores and we all know how cute they look as a puppy. But the buyers dont know how big or protective they will be when they grow up. Research is the key, as i live in such a big family, a member of his flock is generally home.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Yes wildewillie I would LOVE to have a Kangal. Unfortunately it’s only my wife and me now and we have a typical small suburban yard. We had a 110lb pit bull but the wife does not want another dog that big.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:02 am
FIRST OF ALL FUCK U PIT BULL HATERS LABS PUT MORE PEOPLE IN THE HOSPITAL AND THERE STILL AMERICAS TOP DOG AND SECOND ARGENTINE DOGO IS A COMPLETE DOG BUT SEURIOSLY DO NOT GET A CAUSIAN OVCHARKA OR IT WILL MESS U UP BAD!!!
August 13th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Wow, gomichigan, your powers of persuasion are astonishing! Were you on the debate team?
August 13th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Clearly. We know he mustn’t have been on Yearbook ::snigger:: Oh, and I still hate pit bulls.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:33 am
And I love the reference to that popular tv show “america’s top dog!”
I’ve also got this hilarious image in my head of labs being all well-behaved and friendly when people are around, but then turning sinister and evil when nobody’s looking. hehehe.
August 14th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
my friend, you are full of shit
August 14th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Wildewillie89 – I agree to an extend but flock guardians, due to their size, should have LARGE yard, if not acreage to roam and they should be working. It’s hard to see some breeds use as a companion. The Border Collie has never been bred to be a companion specifically, but to work. Doesn’t mean they can’t do othewise, it’s just, you know, hard to see them NOT doing what they were bred to love.
You may be a good owner, but the average owner is more likely to get it for looks, as you said, and there have a Maremma left to roam a neighborhood.
That’s the big problem – dogs being left free to roam.
A Kangal roaming isn’t a golden retriever roaming.
August 14th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Kangals not the ideal dog to get, however dogs these days are becoming more domesticated and are becoming companion dogs, like the Border Collie, but you do have to be a respectable owner. You cant just leave a LGD home all day and go out and work, thats why it works in my family as someone is generally home as there is 6 of us. Maremma’s are used as babysitters in some countries, and we were receiving death threats from some nutter last year, and it was good knowing that we had our Maremma around, rather than something like a Golden Retriever.
We have had 2 Borders as well, one yes you could see wouldve been a great working dog, the other was incredibly lazy for a Border, he wouldnt even want to go on walks unless the whole family came, it just depends on the dog. However LGD dogs are bred to cope with whatever their situation is.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Harleymike and Jmarine,
Who started all the sh*t about pit bulls? Was it me? NO IT WASN’T!!! So get off of that train now, buddy. What do you guys not understand? My family has owned pits, boxers, game terriers, airedales, big game hounds, pointers, gsds, bulldogs, you name it. Jmarine you attacked me and I responded, so freaking deal w/ it. Sorry but neither one of you has added anything to this discussion and you’re not close to being smart about dogs, except halfway about your beloved pits. Go back and look at the title of this post. It’s not cheerleading time for pit bulls. WE ALL KNOW THE HISTORY OF PITS, OK, WE GET IT. yes, they are the toughest dog pound for pound more or less, but we don;t live in a lb for lb world do we BOYS? I have never had a bad experience with a pit bull moped mike, so quit spewing nonsense, mikey. You attack me, I will respond BOYS, and trust me I can take of myself both intellectually and physically. My family and I have MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND PLENTY OF DOG EXPERIENCE WITH MANY BREEDS, NOT JUST FU*%ING PIT BULLS!!!! mOPED MIKE, SORRY YOU HAVE NOT HEARD OF MANY OF THE DOGS DISCUSSED HERE, MAYBE YOU NEED TO GET MORE EDUCATION, that’s your problem. Besides your ignorance, two other things tand out, you enjoy dogfighting and you’re obviously racist. you are right, though pits seem to be the dog of choice for low-class people now. So sorry boys you didn;t educate me on anything related to dogs, but keep trying.
How do I have too much time on my hands? As for having a boyfriend, sorry mikey, I wouldn’t know anything about that, maybe you do, who knows. I’, happily married with two awesome kids.I’m rarely on the computer and definetely not on “chat sites.” Again, you know nothing about me, and I’m pretty damn pleased me with my life thank you, either though I don;t currently own the “great apbt.” For my needs, I would much rather own a catahoula bulldog or american bulldog. When you come on here cussing and attacking everyone you just show your ignorance and frustration with life, so quit trying to act like “dogmen” and pit experts. by the way, thank you both for your service and if you want to come up with your own lists or add something intelligent go right ahead, but quit trying to intimidate people and talking s&*T cause you look stupid.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Jmarine, I just went back and reread your last post, sorry. disregard items said in my prior post. See I don’t have even close to too much time on my hands? apology accepted, thanks for your service, and keep your head down.
August 16th, 2008 at 11:25 am
sissyhack PART TWO
Thanks to crybaby cowards like you and people breeding and encouraging human aggressive(not to be confused w/trained guard dogs)it has become difficult in AMERICA(LAND OF THE FREE) to own an AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER so I have 5 BOSTON TERRIERS and 2 DOBERMANS.
Now just because you got ARRESTED DOGGYSTYLE SWALLOWING the SEMEN from a little BOY on a MOPED doesn’t give you military,law enforcement or dog experience.
As far as having 2 awesome kids, that’s great.I’m sure their father is glad to know you think so highly of them
August 16th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
This thing has gotten out of hand. The OP needs to delete it.
August 16th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Shelby, your kinda messed up, thinking that this list is about dogfighting. That’s kinda sick
August 16th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
I agree with Doggydaddy. This will never end.
August 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE IF I OFFENDED ANY OF THE OTHER READERS,I’M JUST SICK OF THE NEGATIVE MENTALITY ABOUT PIT BULLS.99.999999% OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE OWNED THEM WOULD DISAGREE WITH THE MEDIA HYPE AND WOULDN’T GIVE UP THEIR APBT FOR ANYTHING.SO IF YOU HEAR SOMEONE BADMOUTHING THEM THEY MORE THAN LIKELY HAVE NOT OWNED ONE
AND IF YOU THINK I WAS A LITTLE HARSH ON SISSY HAG SCROLL BACK UP THE PAGE AND READ HIS OTHER FINE QUOTES ON NUMBERS77,82-83,107,112-113,142,156-157,162 HE SEEMS TO DISPLAY A PATTERN OF DISRESPECT,IGNORANCE & IS VERY ANTAGONISTIC,BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT NO ONE CAN REACH THRU THE COMPUTER AND BITCH SLAP HIM
August 16th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
HARLEYMIKE -
please stop screaming at us. there is no need to use all caps. people are capable of reading lower case and getting your point.
you lose major points w/ rudeness!
as for the tone and heat of the comments exchanged…ya’ll need to chill out. k?
August 19th, 2008 at 5:53 am
Harleymike, what is ironic is I am puerto rican (translate into a lazy, uncaring spic) and posses more “knowledge” in one post you attempt to claim you have. Your racism is not different than people who hate pitbulls. You are as retarded as the hacker person. The both of you should get together and fight. It would be most fitting for trash.
Your even worst than pitbull haters. Your about as low as filth could get and all pitbull owners need is a racism tyrant speaking for them.
August 19th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
CYN
I WASN’T SCREAMING AT ANYBODY I JUST GOT TIRED OF HITTING THE CAPS BUTTON AND DIDN’T THINK IT WAS THAT IMPORTANT.IF THAT’S ALL YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AT THE END OF THE DAY GOD BLESS YA.DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ABOUT DOGS?
GLAD I ATE HER GIRL
WE SHOULD GET TOGETHER IF YOUR SMALL AND PETITE.EVERY PUERTO RICAN I EVER HAD WAS A TOTAL FREAK!!!!BUT SERIOUSLY AS FAR AS MY VEIWS ON PEOPLE TURNING AMERICA INTO A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY YOU TRY BEING WHITE AND LIVING IN MIAMI WHERE THE CUBANS FLOAT UP ON SHORE CRYING FOR US TO TAKE THEM IN & GIVE THEM OUR FREEDOM AND THE FIRST THING THEY DO IS MAKE THE “AMERICAN” PIT BULL TERRIER ILLEGAL IN DADE COUNTY THEN TRY AND CHANGE THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE TO SPANISH,THEN ABUSE EVERY FREEDOM AND ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT WE “USED” TO HAVE AND ACT LIKE WE’RE OBLIGATED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM WHILE STEAL AND SCAM EVERYTHING THEY CAN.YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT,I’VE NEVER SEEN A CUBAN AND PR THAT LIKED EACH OTHER.
BUT ANYWAY THATS NOT WHAT THIS SITES ABOUT SO LETS NOT GO THERE, SORRY I BROUGHT IT UP. MY BAD.I’VE READ SOME OF YOUR STUFF AND I PRETTY MUCH AGREE W/YOU.YOU SEEM TO HAVE MORE OF A CLUE THAN A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE.
August 19th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
GladiatorGirl (215) Here on ‘Verse, it’s “retarted.”
August 19th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
HARLEYMIKE
i was addressing you as an admin for the site not as a commenter on this list. please stop using all caps. it is against our posting rules.
understand now?
anyone. any list. all caps for the full extent of a comment is bad form, got it?
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 am
You are a complete piece of shit, moped mike. Your comments make me laugh, they’re so stupid. I didn’t think an individual could be so stupid, but you are. you might be the most ignorant person I’ve ever encountered on the internet. You are an embarrassement to the human race you waste of human flesh. Typing fast and making errors is one thing, you’re just plain STUPID, you miserable, white-trash, trailer park, old FART. you are no threat to anyone intellectually or physically, you’re just a PATHETIC, MISERABLE, PITIFUL, IGNORANT, STUPID, SAD, POOR OLD PIECE OF DEBRIS trying to act tough behind your computer, what a freaking joke!! I’m not too popular? Seems you seem to be the joke here, and YOU’VE STILL ADDED NOTHING TO THE CONVERSATION. your suppossed knowledge of dogs is laughable, you ignorant piece of shit. Get some education you filthy LOSER!! YOU’VE MADE THIS WHOLE BOARD DUMBER WITH EACH OF YOUR POSTS. What’s the matter, old man? Did some Cuban beat your sorry useless ass? Ha ha ha. Go away you putrid, toothless, stank piece of crap, Go chase some whores, maybe if you pay them enough from selling drugs, stealing copper, cutting grass, your social security or disability check, turning in bottles or whatever, you might get lucky. Basenji?? Probably the worst watch dog ever as they can’t bark, dumbass. You don’t scare anyone here you stinking old diabetes ridden piece of shit. you seem to talk alot about young boys, are you a pedophile as well as being a racist, dogfighting piece of shit. You need to be locked up YOU SORRY EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING. YOU HAVE ADDED NOTHING TO THIS BOARD AND YOU STILL NO NOTHING ABOUT DOGS YOU IDIOT!!! I’ve forgotten more than you’ll ever know, so just give up, LOSER!!
Try and follow along, MORON. I don’t hate pitbulls, I hate ignorant owners like you. I’m not for BSL, you stupid idiot. you jumped in here on the tail end and started a pissing contest like the idiot you are, so just shut the hell up while you’re behind. you’re not going to “bitch slap” anyone either, lady, so quit acting stupid, and go change your diaper old man. Get you walker or cane and go join a garden club or something you old fart because you know nothing about dogs, get it? You’re a SAD OLD SORRY USELESS LOSER AND YOU NEED HELP OR TO BE LOCKED (BACK?) UP. Whatever happens or has happened to you, you probably deserved it so quit your complaining you joke of a homo sapien. You suck pitbull dick and my kids know their father is much more of a man than you’ll ever be, you sorry ass LOSER. How’s you family, old man? How are you and the mister doing? you are a complete joke with your double digit at best IQ, you moron. Where’d you go to college einstein? Have you ever competed in dog performance events? Ever worked with law enforcement k9s? Done protection training? Hunted with dogs? Where did all your “vast” knowledge come from, idiot? Did you know one of Colby’s dogs quit against a backyard mix in a match? you obviously have very little if any education and probably didn’t even graduate high school, and your knowledge of dogs is laughable, Good friends of mine have bred game bred pits for close to 50 yrs and have done protection training with pits, american bulldogs, gsds, malinois, etc and the dog that impressed them the most in this type of work was the malinois followed by a czech import shelpherd, Must be some reason why nearly all of the military and armed forces WORLDWIDE use them. I like all dogs and we’ve owned more breeds than you’ll ever have experience with, so give up little old man. I actually take time to do research rather than get on a board and show the whole world what and idiot I am like you chose to do. Besides, you I have nothing against anyone on this board NOR any breed of dog, unlike some others. I’m just tired of any dog talk being turned into a pitbull forum for wannabe dogfighters who know very little about dogs.
Scared of you? What a freaking joke. I just feel sorry for you and I’m glad I don’t have your miseralbe upbringing and life. You have NO KNOWLEDGE or experience worthy of mine as far as dogs go and you could never even begin to teach me (or others) anything about dogs. Your list of potential guards is a joke just like you, and somehow by stating the obvious you seem to think that you are enlightening everyone here. Just shows how dumb you really are, as well as your CHILDISH, IMMATURE, IGNORANT attacks and rants on these boards. The only person that would be scared of you old man is probably a sheep, because I can guarantee you I’m not you sorry piece of shit. Go away, get a job, go cash your welfare check, or whatever, just go away. Let people with some sense add something to this discussion, because you obviously can’t, LOSER.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am
Cyn,
I think you or whoever came up with this list did a commendable job and it’s a shame some have tried to ruin what should be a good, clean discussion, with trash talk. sorry if I’ve pushed the limits when responding to ignorant comments made by idiots like mike.
Especially like your inclusion of a rarer breed like the Moscow Watchdog. Of course everyone knows the list could go on and on and include breeds like the catahoula, black mouth cur, tornjak, kuvasz, maremma, akbash, estrela mountain dog, alabai, fila (extremely aggressive to strangers), sage kooche, american bulldog, black russian terrier, karelian bear dog, beauceron, spanish mastiff, sindh mastiff, south russian ovtcharka, sarplaninac, malinois, dutch shepherd, polish tatra sheepdog, catahoula bulldog, alapaha bulldog, bully kutta, gulldong, giant schnauzer and on and on. COMMON SENSE, your environment and situation, as well as your experience with handling dogs dictates what type you should own, and OF COURSE when taling about these dogs we’re ASSUMING you know to get one out’ve good working lines. Even a good mixed breed could be all you need and shelter dogs or strays could be one of the most loyal dogs you ever own. One of the worst guard dogs I’ve seen was a rottweiler and one of the best was a labrador. Other good ones have been airedales, australian shelpherds, blue heelers, and chesapeakes so you never know. I’ve seen big baby saint bernards and ones that would eat your behind up. the same with akitas. one loved people but hated other dogs. the other was employed by a security dog company and very good at their job. I like rhodesians, but most I’ve seen were more interested in fighting other dogs than guarding, and wouldn’t compare as estate guardians to a breed like a fila. Anyways, good list, sorry it got so crazy. There are some good lines of working pits out there, too, and I’ve seen some of them work in “street” style protection and some do ok in shutzhund and ring sport. Other people I know have to own rotts or something to keep people from stealing them, lol. I do feel the livestock guardian dogs are very hard to beat as protectors if you have the room. They tend not to roam and take their job very seriously. Boerboels and filas kick ass, too. Of course, a tosa could be formidable. As far as “gameness” Captsick wrote of two african bull elephants fighting for hours, patterdale (fell) terriers are absolutely fearless and gsds, malinois etc that will charge armed, drug crazed men and continue to fight after being shot or stabbed seem pretty game to me. There are a lot of great dogs out there, people.
August 24th, 2008 at 10:43 am
SLACKER:
Ouch!!! Seems I hit A NERVE.Just a few pointers
1)I never claimed to or tried to threaten anyone.you however are welcome to come down to miami(north cuba).We have several fine trauma centers I WOULD LOVE to show YOU,if your mommy will let you go(don,t forget to turn off the computer).
2)How do you know how old I am?
3)If your typing to fast and making mistakes,slow down your keypad is outrunning your brain because your still making the same mistakes.Maybe try putting down your “Book of Obscure and Unkown Mutts”.
4)If your kids father is such a man why doesn’t he have custody?
5)Who cares if a dog that’s trained to guard the inside of a car can bark?It seems a fag w/your vast and expansive knowledge of dogs/guard dogs would know that a LOT of people have their dogs vocal cords cut:a)so they don’t annoy the neighbors w/unnecessary barking (like you) b)so they don’t warn the criminal that they’re coming c)when they bite you I’ll hear YOU SCREAMING D)BASENJI’S are used in africa for hunting and GUARDING.They’re small enough to fit in a car,big enough to prevent a car jacking/purse snatching/rape,etc…
And Rhodesians are bred to work in packs and if you’re not part of the pack/family you’re prey(they’re hunting dogs,but of course I’m sure you knew that)be it dog,cat or person.
6)If you are going to TRY and insult somebody DON’T use they’re own stuff and don’t spend hours taking all the adjectives out of your mommies thesaurus.You had a week to think about this and this is the best you could come up with?
The nonsensical ranting and raving does’nt look good either,now that your in the 5th grade your temper tantrums should be behind you(like the other boys in the choir are)
7)Yes I have worked w/law enforcement K-9,SCHUTZUND I,II&III.I used to train Brittany Spaniels to hunt and retrieve Grouse and Pheasant in Indiana and Illinois.I now do Obediance and PROTECTION for people on Key Biscayne,Watson Island and even in West Palm Beach.I don’t just sit around on the computer and leafing thru books on rarely heard of dogs trying to outsmart people on this blog
8)You talk SHIT about PIT BULLS but half the dogs you mention are PIT BULL derivatives/crosses.you would’nt know a game bred PIT if it came up and bit you in your VAGINA.
9)Everyone is racist,it’s just most people are in the closet w/you.If you hav’nt noticed blacks and hispanics saying they’re better than us you need to get out more.But they’re trying to move into our(white) neighborhoods and get away from they’re own kind.If they hate us it’s OK,if we hate them we’re wrong.
10)This site is about dogs and you start talking about elephants?Your an expert on those too I guess?
11)Just like swimming/eating.Wait an Hr.after taking your PROZAC before diving into an intelligent conversation.YOU’VE insulted and degraded everyone you’ve come in contact with on this thread,blog,site or whatever you want to call it.
12)Don’t suck up to cyn,it’s not cool looking to a girl to protect you.But I would like to thank you for not yelling at me in all caps(is no caps at all whispering?).
I’M DONE WIT YA BITCH,YOU BORE ME,HAVING A BATTLE OF WITS W/AN UNARMED MORON.#188 SUMS YOU UP PRETTY GOOD
Sincerely,
HARLEYFUCKINMIKE
August 24th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
JMARINE1(188)I am so proud and so in awe of our soldiers. I would be so scared. Thank you. Semper FI
August 27th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
APBT are not the guard dogs people think of them to be. They are intimadating looking and now a days if you hear the name most people say oh they should be banned. They shouldnt. It is not the dogs fault that stupid owners try and get them to fight. But typically they are not guard dogs. They love humans. If you notice most fighting APBT are very submissive and friendly to humans but extremely animal aggressive obviously. Personally i would but an Anatolian Shepherd Dog (ASD) in front of most of the dogs up there. They are loyal, intelligent, friendly, yet when the need comes ferocious beyond beleif. They ar livestock guardian dogs (LGD). The only thing is you can not use them in Schutzhund. Not because they cant protect because they dont have prey drive like a rotty or shepherd. I have had rotty’s and they are extremly loyal. We didnt train ours in any type of attack commands yet they knew when something fishy was going on and would act on it. Plus they have one of the hardest bite forces of all dogs. yes it is stronger than the pits and yes they both have locking jaws. But i dont think you can narrow it down to 10 dogs. Plus you need to look at if you want a Personal Protection dog or Police dog or Military dog. Belgian Mallinois are used by the CIA although not large they are considered to be smarter than German shepherds.But this is my opinoin i am no expert even though i do research alot about dogs
August 27th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
I agree with pit bulls not being guard dogs. I also agree about the Turkish dogs but the Kangal is a better LGD than the ASD. It is a bigger dog than the Anatolian Shepherd and they are not the same breed. Oh and you better do some more research on “locking jaws”. It’s a myth. No dog has jaws that “lock”.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
nice list, but a friend of mine just bought a Beauceron, a french herding dog known for its temperment and guarding abilities. A beautiful breed, and maybe one for another list??
September 18th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Where’s the Presa Canario? THe Ca de Bou? Dogue de Bordeaux?
September 21st, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Perfect list.
I own a Caucasian Shepherd and he is a mean machine but very loving dog. the perfect dog.
i have also owned a ridgeback there pretty badass to.
September 21st, 2008 at 7:48 pm
tought stuff……im an APBT owner. they definitly aint guard dogs. they arent man aggressive as a rule. and if they are they need to be put down. lb for lb they cant be beat in a pit. and gameness will win the day when overwhelming size is put against them. but this list isnt about that type of deal. its on guard dogs. i agree with some dogs on the list. other better guard dogs are missing from the list. and the boerboel doesnt even have the correct picture under its name. other than that, its a very unrealistic and amaturish list at best. but thats an opinion, just as the list is an opinion of another person..take care. it was an interesting read regardless.
September 24th, 2008 at 12:12 am
I disagree with compiling such a list,as it encourages the macho morons to buy these poor creatures. I own two pyreneans and they are lovely dogs (gentle giants).
October 13th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
No pitbulls? I have a half-pitbull, half-black lab, and she is one of the most loving, most protective dogs I’ve ever met! (Needless to say, I love her a lot =])
And I disagree with wolfdogs being unloving and hard to train. I had a half-wolf, half-German shepherd when I was little, and she was very loving. Unless you got near her when she was eating. Then she could get angry ;]
October 16th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
That wolf-german shepherd looks pretty sick, i want one now
October 20th, 2008 at 4:20 am
Someone I know has a caucasian shepherd and it is as soft as anything
Less of a guard dog, more of a big teddy bear hahah
good list though
October 20th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
What do you guys think of the Dogue De Bordeaux as a possible guard dog? What are the strengths/weaknesses and how does it compare with some other breeds? Thanks in advance.
October 21st, 2008 at 9:41 am
This subject you discuss is too simple:best guard dogs 1)kangal and caucasian ovcharka 2)fila braseilero 3)rottweiler
Mastiffs like bullmastif and napolitan mastiff are good too but not as aggressive,if it needed in some special occasions, as the above breeds!!
October 21st, 2008 at 9:33 pm
I think people who say that pitbulls r bad, can’t be trusted and so on, have just come across the wrong dog. If u take care of them like family member, or best friend they take care of all that is given. Yea they r aggressive and they could pretty much kill, or stand with the best of them but it is all how u train and take care of them! My blue king kong is a beast 1 year old power house, but well trained and will stand my kids side know matter what. And I got him at seven monthes with no training so it is possible to make them one of the best breeds to man kind. Don’t count us out yet, just give the good owners a chance to show how good, and loyal this breed really is. Thanks!
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 am
I’ve noticed many of the “regulars” have stayed off this topic and I can only guess it’s because of the sheer ignorance being spewed on it. I’ve told the story of getting my dog on other lists, and it bears no repeating here because if someone insults me or my dog, or what she went through, you can bet I’ll fly off the handle. At any rate..wow, guys.
October 23rd, 2008 at 3:50 pm
I agree with Otokorou, with 4) Doberman and 5)Cane Corso. Please don’t train pit bulls to be guard dogs. It’s not in their breeding to be aggressive toward humans and it makes them very unstable mentally. Dangerous combination.
November 6th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I think the Presa should be in the top three, they hit like a fucking train, absolutely fearless, agile, amazing cardio (especially the one’s that weigh in around 115 to 130). I do believe that the pit bull is pound-for-pound one of the most athletic dogs out there. I don’t mean the bully pits, I mean the real game American pit bull, the one’s that weigh 45 to 55 lbs. Those are some of the most tenacious, agile, and proably the best cardio of any other dog, as far as fighting other dogs go. But if you put a pit against a boerboel, presa, basically any larger molosser, the pit bull is going to lose. I know every dog has a fighters chance, but any smaller dog is just going to get trashed. I have been around a lot of pits and a lot of boerbeols and presa. All these dogs need to do is bite the pit two or three times and there shit is going to break. I mean if you have ever stood next to a 130lb Boerboel or Presa they just stare into your soul, they see right through you. They absolutely believe without a shadow of a doubt that they can take you. I totally agree, pits are far more athletic and have better cardio and tenacity but the size difference is just too much to over come.
On a side note that’s not a pic of a boerboel, if you asked me I would bet that those are presa. Boerboels ears arent traditionally cropped. The markings are also inconsistent.
TroyD- I agree with you, the list could be better. As far as the intimidation factor goes and as far as the ability to back up their bark, I go with the molosser type dogs. Sure they may not have the cardio of a pit bull, But to be completely honest- if a 200lb man completely stricken with rage and is in outstanding shape- will have no chance in Hell when a boerboel, presa, kangal, bully kutta, tosa, with drive, attack his ass. The dogs i have mentioned don’t have the greatest cardio compared to smaller dog, but just try to out sprint any one of these dogs. I dare you to run wind sprints with anyone of these dogs. they will still run any man into the ground. I should know I ran track for a division one college. I ran sprints and did the jumping events. I ran against a presa, I never had a chance. I lost count on how many wind sprints we ran (each one was approx. 25meters). He was visibly exhausted but never let up. I on the other had dropped dead with exhaustion.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
The first thing i want to say is who made this list? The person must be on crack! In the UK where i’m from German Shepherds (number 10) are the most likely dog to bite closely followed by Jack Russel’s! This person is obviously biased towards thier chosen breed as they are a breeder! Saying that this list is a load of BS as you can train any dog to be a guard dog breed plays a small part but by far the most influential aspect is training! I’ve only been bitten 3 times by dogs (2 dalmations and a retriever!) so where are these dogs in the so called list?
November 17th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
wheres the rhodesian ridgeback !!! these dogs were bred for hunting lions !!! if they can bring down massive wild cats surely humans would be small prey for them !!!
November 20th, 2008 at 1:17 am
They hunt lions in packs…yeah they could bring down a human, but dont even think for a second they compare to a lion!!!
November 20th, 2008 at 6:14 am
I have a Rhodesian Ridgeback and a Dogo Argentino. The Rhodesian Ridgeback hunted in packs and kept the lions at bay so the hunter could kill the lion. No dog could handle a lion. A Hyena will get killed by a lion in a matter of seconds. The Rhodesian Ridgeback is a great guard dog though! The Caucasian and Fila are prob best guard dogs overall though.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:42 pm
my grandfather had a #7. thing was huge, looked like a polar bear but very gentle with people
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:28 am
There’s one dog I haven’t seen mentioned: the Chow Chow. The Chow is one of the meanest dogs on the planet. It will bite a human without hesitation. I would never leave children or other dogs alone with one.
A friend of mine had a big male that he trained to guard. That dog was actively hostile to everyone who came to his house and would obey only his master. A lot of his friends would not go to visit him because of that dog. Finally, one day he took a chunk out of his wife’s face and inflicted other bite injuries and they put him down. That was the meanest dog I ever saw.
On the other hand my neighbor two houses down has one that he never lets out of the back yard, but he seems to be a very nice dog. However he has rejected several offers from me to buy the dog. That yard is the only area he knows and I feel sorry for him.
December 2nd, 2008 at 6:00 am
honestly, in my work as a vet nurse, i’ve found that little dogs are much, much meaner than big ones. i’d rather handle a german shepherd than a jack russell
December 5th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
yeah no.7 is pretty big, but i dunno if it should be on the list…ive heard farmers who use pyr’s will cross-breed it with a maremma to harden it up!!! maremma’s are smaller (45kg) but just as strong because of their determination to protect, and experts say they make up for the 15-20kg they lack through their determination!!!
lol, i have a maremma and im telling you now, he sleeps at the front door and he scares people away just by barking at them behind the door…but one needs to understand the dog to manage it, and because of this they are the 4th most given up dog on average in australia
December 7th, 2008 at 11:38 am
I find this list to be very true and fairly accurate. #2 dog #3 dog and #6 dog could be thrown to the bottom of the list bumping up the 3 shutzund dogs (a well trained rott, doberman, GS would out perform many on this list). Lets also remove #7 and maybe toss in Kangal dog, if hes too close to the ovchaka, lets put in fila. Corso looks nasty but are kinda cushy given the pet oriented breeding.
This list is very good as is stands even tho opinions may vary. This guy with the chow chow, i dont want to offend, but, chow chow falls into the apbt catagory, along with staff, shar-pei, any less than 80lb fighting dog, ill kill a chow chow in under 20 seconds, chow chows bit poeple out of fear. Any small dog will go into a headlock/chock hold of mine and never come out. If the dog doesnt have the speed/power to knock a guy like me down, it will die fast.
My 2 cents!
I want a farm so i can have caucasian ovcharkas!! Looks like the rottweilers will have to do
and mine isnt #8, lol~!
December 7th, 2008 at 11:51 am
an irish wolfhound, are you guys fishing for poeple like me to get frustrasted and respond?
ok, i will punch your wolfhound so hard in the cheek he will topple and might not get up for a bit. the next time your dog sees me, he will bark with a fearfull tone with his tail between his legs, and flee the territory i just claimed as my own.
and to you nurse vet lady that is scared of jack russle and not the german shepard, get real, i could pull the bottom jaw off that jack russtle with 2 fingers, ide like to see you get the sleave and stick and let my buddies german shepard hit you at 20 miles per hour! you tune will change.
2 more cents!!
December 7th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
IM sorry guys, i read more responces and i got to tell these pit bull guys to relax. Pit bulls are fighting dogs, made by man to be easly controled in a fighting ring scenero. Ever try to break up 2 alfa male rottweilers?? if pit bulls were 120 pounds poeple fighting these dogs would get hurt breaking them up, hence the small MANAGEABLE size. Dont be dumb. I will snap your pits back in front of you and make you wish you never took the bet. IM NOT THE WOMAN ANIMAL COP GETTING ATTACKED ON YOU TUBE, IM ALPHA MALE SWING DICK AND ILL WIPE YOU PIT BULL, GRIND IT UP AND FEED IT TO MY ROTTS. no i wont let my dogs fight you pit bulls, i actuall care for my dogs and vet bills are expencive, and so are my dogs!! go listen to another 2-pac album, bling-bling, skeet-skeet get an education. pit bulls kill other pit bulls, small children, and old ladies NOT ME!
2 more cents, i promice this is it guys.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
The more responces i read, the more i think i should have ignored this string of responces and just enjoyed the list itself. It was sutch a nice list. Anyways here we go….
i would say that 97% of the poeple that responded to this list have a fear of dogs. I understood this list to be the top 10 badass gaurd dog list, not good watchdog list. A gaurd dog needs to prevent any and all precieved threats to its occupied territory. A dog, for example sake lets pick great dane, can be trained to have no fear of man, and respond (bite on command or inniate a bite on itsown) to a threat and deture it most every time. But thats not good enuf for a bad ass gaurdog list. If i was a criminal, and wanted your safe, and lets say you lived in a rural area, with said dog. I can gaurentee you, without a doubt, you would come home to a dead or a ruined gaurd dog that is now a family pet, and all done because i can physically overpower the dog. It was my understanding that the authors intent was to establish an order of dogs that would defend most fiercely and best defend home, flock, garage, or compound. And a trained irish wolfhound, witch would make a dandy gaurd dog, sadly would not stop a crack-head with my mentality, from your piggybank, nor would it be on any top 10 badass gaurd dog list i made. There must be a top 10 AKC gaurd dog list that more of you may enjoy a bit better. I dont mean to offend anyone but most of you dont understand how dogs work and what drives them until you have actually been involved in bite training.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:11 am
Patrick, your right a lot of people dont know what theyre talking about…however thats the same with every internet forum so get over it!!!
Fear of dogs, most people would have a fear of dogs if they had a 60 odd kg dog running at them with their teeth bearing…so i dont see why thats an issue! The best guard dogs, are not those that need to be trained, but those that have been bred to guard, which includes guardian dogs.
My 50kg Maremma Sheepdog will guard his family and house from something as small as a fly to something as big a bear or horse, and will fight to the death and wont hesitate giving his life for us. Thats a real bad ass guard dog, and hence its brother the great pyr is in the list, but even though thats bigger its considered a bit softer. A dogs determination to guard is the key, and a trained guard dog wont show this determination to the same degree as something like a Maremma Sheepdog, whose whole life purpose is to protect. A Maremma will give its life for something as simple as a little patch of grass, if thats what it was brought up to protect.
Take a Rottie for example, my next door neighbour had a Rottie and had their house robbed. The criminals emptied everything into a truck and all they had to do was throw a bone down to the dog. This would not have happened with a Maremma or a dog with the instincts built within as a Maremma wont even accept food of a stranger who had been accepted by his owner, he will only accept it off his owner. This is because the original purpose of a Maremma is to protect, while a Rottie was to herd.
December 9th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Patrick you’re a moron,lol @ you and your rottys.I would jump on your rottys front legs then proceed to cave his fucking head in.Rottys are just big clumsy morons like yourself. My uncle breeds those cowardly things not 1 has ever dared to even look my pit in its eyes,let alone charge him.Patrick you must have run into a lot of staffys in your day and not a lot of protective AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIERS.Yes very true they were breed to be non human aggressive but that only goes so far guaranteed if you threaten something it loves it will go at you harder than anyone of the dogs on this list 99.9% of the time with better results to except for the CO and Patrick I use my pit as a distraction for goos like you, when your busy getting your hands bit off i’ll hit you in the head with a hammer. Ps.. you’re welcome to come try and break in.My doors always open you can bring your cowardly herd dogs …I could use the ground beef for Roscoe
December 9th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Maybe your uncle should get out of the dog breeding buisness if he is having poor results, the breed has been ruined in the US, thats why i perfer the eastern european lines. Good luck with your pitbull, and i hope you dont live in an area with alot of crime.
P.S. You might want to bring a gun and some night vison goggles, the kicking shit wont work well for you I promice:)
December 10th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
a catahoula bulldog could be a great bodyguard/property gaurdian with minimal training
anyways i agree with whoever said harleymike’s posting has brought the overall level of intelligence on this thread WAY down…….guy knows jackshit about dogs or anything else…..
December 11th, 2008 at 3:33 am
do fully grown men actually think your tough, threatening on a internet forum…knowing that you will never meet the person in real life!!! The coward threatens when his safe, so why dont we actually talk about some dogs rather than you little boys bitching like little girls. Yeah you can think your dog is the toughest dog in the world, the fact is its most probably not so stop trying to make out its some killing machine or something.
Yeah ive said in the past that my dogs breed has killed wolves and the german shepherd story where the maremma was asleep surrounded by 6 dead german shepherds, but thats just fact, and its my dogs breed…not my dog!!! So why dont we quit the bitching like little girls and bring some intelligence into the convo…beacause what your doing now is not only cowardly but just plain weak!!!
December 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I haven’t even looked at this site in the last few months because it’s a just a fucking joke.Then I check my E-mail and see there’s been a recent posting,so I give in to curiosity.Yep this site is still a waste of time.There’s probably 50 different people w/ 50 different breeds of dogs performing supercanine feats of bravery,strength,love & intelligence and they think all the dogs of that particular breed are the best watchdog.Fact is there is no #1-#2-#3 breed of guard dog, 1 particular dog of a particular breed might be a phenomenal guard dog while it’s littermate would hide behind the couch peeing on the floor.99% of these people have never been involved w/dog training of any kind whatsoever,they think because they’re dog barks at the mailman or kids getting off the schoolbus that it’s a fearless man killer.Whatever,if your happy w/ your dog that’s all that matters.
December 12th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Johnny or Jenny whatever your name is I have not even been on this stupid site in 3 months and you bring up my name out of the blue.???.Looking between my last post and yours, nobody said anything about me bringing the intelligence level down.You’re 1 sentence about a catahoula cur making a good guard dog was pure genius&loads of info (your 10 years of graduate college really paid off big).Aside from putting that asshole Sgt.slacker in her place all I tried to do was correct some misinformation and educate people on PIT BULLS and offer some other ideas about guard dogs in confined spaces like a car or condo for people who don’t have room for 100lb.+ dogs.I’ve been involved w/ training bird dogs,personal/property guard dogs&obediance for 20yrs+.So don’t fucking talk about me OK sport you don’t know me or anything about me.Between you, sgtwhacker and the other guy who sounds like he spends alot of time trying to pump himself up talking shit to himself & flexing in front of the mirror you don’t need to be talking about intelligence until GOD willing you get some.Don’t talk about people you don’t know,you’ll end paddling the same canoe w/sgt yacker
P.S. Is your first name porta or jiffy?
FUCK OFF BITCH
December 17th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
I’m sorry but a lgd maremma,pyrennes,anatolian,that is working animals (goats,cattle,even chickens would easily kill main or murder any pit that enter’s there space.i own 7 lgd’s,not saying i’m a expert but!!!
December 18th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Funny as glass in the eye your facts are way off! Yes you are not an expert. I am! A chicken or goat killing a Pit Bull?! In other countries these dogs are put against bears! A Pit Bull is bred to fight other dogs. Hear that! BRED TO FIGHT! People always think their specialty breed can beat a Pit Bull. Not the case! Almost all working breeds do not stand a chance against a Pit Bull. Sorry! A Caucasian Shepherd is the only breed that comes to mind that would even kinda have a chance. Over the centuries certain breeds have been breed to fight and posses certain characteristics that make them fighting dogs or guard dogs. Pit Bulls dont have locking jaws like people think but when they bite they do not want to let go. They want to KIll! Other breeds have this disposition and certain breeds have no problem handling other breeds. They are:
Top 5 fighting dogs are in no order:
1. Tosa Inu
2. American Pit Bulls
3. Dogo Argentino
4. Presa Canario
5. Bully Kutta
These five breeds would destroy any working breed. Dont argue with me these are just the facts! A Bully Kutta or Tosa Inu reach up to 230 pounds. They feel no pain and are BRED to fight. In Pakistan thats all the bully kutta is used for. Its sad but true. Working breeds are great dogs but they are not bred to fight other dogs. They are amazing guard dogs but they do not go out intentionally to hurt other dogs. Some lines of these breeds do! they are fearless and have bad dispositions. They are not suppose to but man has put it on himself to breed the meanest dogs they can. This is why these dogs are being outlawed.
The best Guard dogs…. I will name two that stand above the rest!
1. Caucasian Shepherd
2. Fila
December 18th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Sorry,but i said dog’s working goats,cattle,chickens…i’m not a expert! i have raised these dogs for yrs. have seen what they can do,have done.before this downturn in the economy people wanted to move to the country,to build the home of there dreams,unfortunately some of these people thought there dogs could also just run free,that playing with livestock was a dogs right they soon found out it was not. The fact is a fighting dog has no chance against a guarding dog for one know’s it’s purpose and one just wants to fight.. put a raccoon in a field with a pit and the raccoon will kick it’s butt.put a raccoon in a field with a lgd the raccoon will die..
December 18th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Funny as glass in eye…I am sorry but you dont know what your talking about…Fighting dogs were bred for fighting simple as that. You have not seen what pit bulls, dogo argentinos, presa canarios do to people and other dogs. 68 percent of dog attacks on humans that end in a fatality are from pit bulls. Livestock dogs are great but they will not kill a fighting dog. A racoon would not stand a chance against any of these dogs. Dogo argentinos fight and kill wild boars and pumas. I think it could handle a racoon. Sorry do more research bud.
December 18th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
well a pit is a fighter! not a guardian as a arge or a presa are, in there normal stage,(why anybody would want to change that). Just like my posts said….if somebody would decide to put a pit or what ever in a field where there are working dogs ??it would be killed!like i said in my previous post in with a (working animal)…. As far as the raccoon comment,i wonder if it was researched.anyway i like to have these discussion’s…there fun
December 19th, 2008 at 4:41 am
obviously some people are going to think pit bulls would kill a guardian dog, and some people will think the guardian will win…personally ive only heard of 2 stories of fights with maremma’s and pits, the maremma won both fights, and ive heard a story of a akbash destroying a pit…and im sure a kangal could kill one!!! dunno bout great pyr because their a bit softer i think.
at the end of a day if a pit went near the family/flock of the guardian dog the pit would be killed…its as simple as that, if a bear or a wolf threatened the dogs family/flock the dog would kill them or die trying.
yes pit bulls have determination not to let go, but a guardian dog will fight to the death…but i dunno about the outsome if it the guardian dogs family wasnt around…a guardian dog has just as much determination as a pit when it comes to protecting its family
December 19th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Because of very widespread congenital defects in dogs, I would suggest an alsatian cross. I have a 42lb a/c bitch-40lb was the ideal weight for bull terriers (which I used to keep) which would combine manoevreability and substance, by the old bull terrier people in Britain,early 20th cent., before the breed was bred to oversize- IMO. She’s truly a bit small but perhaps the look helps. I remember a bloke once saying that for a guard, a lady should keep one or two whippets, as they can bite very unpleasantly, and are very quick off the mark. Whippet cross lurchers are healthy too, by the same token. This year, in a town near us, a german shepherd guard dog was shot dead behind the railings as he was doing his duty. R.I.P. As this appears to be a US website, where gun ownership is said to be common, does this appalling sort of thing happen on your side of the pond? I hope not.
December 20th, 2008 at 9:41 am
In America most dogs are killed by police on raids.
December 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Gaurd dog list. I guess dogs break into houses all the time.
70 lb pit bull vs. 230 lb man???
163 lb central asian ovtcharka vs. 230 lb man???
wich fight ends first???
i guess pit bulls are just indestructable wonder dogs that can work against the laws of physics, just ask some of these guys, they will tell ya.
December 21st, 2008 at 9:10 pm
I got 1 for you guys.
Fighting mexican rooster vs. pitbull??
i here these roosters have locking jaws (much more locking power than a pit bull) and they fight to the death all the time. True story… 3 old ladies died from fighting cock attacks, this is the tragic part.. the old ladies were the ones that survived the pitbull attacks!!!
December 21st, 2008 at 10:52 pm
I dont know how i stumbled on this silly argument. It really does not matter what dog is the toughest, but these people with all these claims about pit bulls getting beat up by labradors and such are really crazy. Maybe they have never seen a decent pit. I love all dogs,and have adopted three pits in my lifetime. Unfortunately I had one with a 180 pound Neapolitan mastiff at the same time and the Neo was mean to my pit, but one day when I was at work, I came home and the Neo did not come to the door. The pit easily killed the Neo. He did have one wound on his head. The Neo probably did bite as hard or maybe harder, and had at least 100 pounds on the pit, but the pit is just too agile and bit plenty hard enough. Just wanted to relate that story so someones dog does not get hurt, but please do not let them fight because at least one will get hurt bad
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:31 pm
T2000…..Your right I dont know where people come up with these fake stories about their lab or German Shepherd taking down a pit with ease. It just does not happen. The only dogs that could take down a pit would be a tosa inu, dogo argentino, presa canario or bully kutta.
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Wild willie those were definetly stories. A Maremma or akbash or a Kangal can not defeat a GAME pit bull. Youll are speculating I have seen thousands of dog fights in other countries.Let me tell you that there are 5 breeds that come out on top. Tosa Inu, Pit Bulls, Dogo argentino, Presa canario and bully kutta. That is just the facts.
December 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 pm
rember guys, not a fighting dog forum, if pits were great gaurd dogs, they would sell for more than 50 dollars from your local pet store, and if they were great gaurd dogs you can bet your bottom dollar that the russians and germans would be employing them more than they currently do. Granted they are great fighters, but, if i had a copmound i needed to keep safe, a pitbull would not even be concidered for the job. You very seldomly see any pitbull type breeds at the shutzund club, there is reason for this, and when you do its more a novelty than anything.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Diablo, they wernt all story, one was a video of Maremma destroying a rottie and then a pit and the Akbash one was a video as well…however i dont look that kind of shit up because im against dog fighting, so im sure theirs more stories but frankly what nutter would support that shit! simple fact is if a pit came up to a Maremma or any guardian dog while its family was around or its flock, the pit would be destroyed, well either way one dog will die, because the guardian dog wont give up…however why are we talking about this, this is a guard dog forum, and we know that a guardian dog is one awesome guard dog
December 30th, 2008 at 11:01 am
A 134lb. Akita! Enough said people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 4th, 2009 at 6:49 am
honest shit, what good is a pit bulls “locking jaw”
if it cant lock onto anything.
look up my earlier comment.
the pit bull couldn’t get a grip on my dog through his
long hair, long-haired german shepherd.
so im going to go ahead and guess that a pitbull is “invincible”
as long as its adversary has short fur.
give me a fucking break.
January 4th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Pit Bulls dont have lock jaws. No animal does. Your long haired German Shepherd would get torn apart by:
1. pit bull
2. dogo argentino
3. bully kutta
4. tosa inu
5. presca canario
January 5th, 2009 at 5:49 am
the long hair does help though, hence why the guardian dogs have manes, for when they fight wolves
January 5th, 2009 at 6:34 am
wildewillie89,if you dont mind,I’ll go ahead and finish, mountain lions,bobcats,wild packs of dogs,oh i forgot even humans,but we all no that when a pit comes up they take out there pit identification card and then the lgd runs back into his barn etc. and cowers away.
January 5th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
hahaha, oh and bears ofcourse…i like the sarcasm, however it is true if a pit did come they might cower away a few times, but this is strategic, once the pit thinks the lgd is scared thats when it relaxes…and thats when the lgd does his stuff
January 6th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Yes long hair does help…..but if you have a dogo argentino grabbing it or a Tosa Inu it wouldnt matter much. I have a dogo argentino that is 7 months and 78 pounds and let me tell you I have been around dogs all my life. We had Swiss Mountain Dog, Rottweilers and pits. Let me tell you their strength does not compare to a dogo puppy. Here are some links for youll to look at. I love how youll think your random dogs can rip apart a pit bull. Thats pretty funny. A long haired german shepherd tearing apart a dogo argentino or pit bull or tosa inu! Ha very funny. They actually use to pair bears against pit bulls. It still is very common in the middle east.
Dogo Argetino
Tosa INU
Bully Kutta Pics
http://www.freewebs.com/beasts-from-the-east/bullykuttasouthkorea.htm
January 6th, 2009 at 7:08 am
dude, a dogo is a pig hunting dog, and to think that a dogo could actually take on and kill a pig is crazy. Those dog would actually get mauled if it wasnt for the kevlar protection vests that they have on. It usually takes about 3 to 4 dogo to subdue i pig, i have been on hunts in texas useing dogo argentino to hunt them, these dogs will hold the pig until the hunter shows up to shoot it. To say a dogo can kill a pitbull is kinda stupid because it would come down to what dog has more fight in him, and that is on an individual dog vs. dog basis, and who the hell cares, you not gonna see poeple fighting their prize hunting dogos. No dog is as scarry as a central asian or caucasian ovtcharka.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:10 am
well this is a forum thats for top 10 badass guardian dogs,not a fighter,you could probably never train a pit to be a guardian,but lets say you had a maremma it would guard a pit if it was trained to do so..and then kill something when it came to attack.it seems the instinct of the pit is to just attack,anything or anybody can attack it takes something smart and trained to prevail.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Patrick have you ever seen a presa canario? A 230 pound Bully Kutta or a 230 pound Tosa Inu> They are pretty scary. I almost got a Caucasian and met with a breeder and I will admit they are very scary. Bully Kutta are so rare few know them. Same with Tosa Inu. Both very good guard dogs.
Once again:
Bully Kutta
http://www.freewebs.com/beasts-from-the-east/bullykuttasouthkorea.htm
http://66.235.120.64/ts?t=11082886057289624575&pid=23120&ppid=3
Presa Canario
http://www.breederretriever.com/photopost/data/500/presa_canario_in_the_canary_islands.jpg
http://www.presa-ironbull.com/imagenes_bull/presa_quien.jpg
http://odinkennels.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/holy-shit-presa-canaria.jpg
January 7th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Patrick,
I have raised dogos so dont ever talk down about them like they are inferior. Dogo argentinos are one of the most powerful, intelligent breeds on the planet. In argentina they dont wear guards when they hunt. A wild pig is a big fucken deal I dont know if you have ever seen one but dont make it sound like it is a little feat to grab a wild boar and hold onto it.Have you seen a wild boars teeth? Pretty dam scary! There are plenty of videos on youtube where ONE dogo grabs a wild pig and holds onto it. I will find one for you if you want. By the way if you notice they are dogo argentinos are number 3 on the badass guard dog list.I am sure the publisher of this website can back me on how badass a dogo aregtino is. So please give me some support.
I also saw your comment about your rottweilers tearing up a pit bull. You said pit bulls are managable when they break up fights. Well if pit bulls are managable why do they account for 70% of bite deaths in the united states against grown adults? Doesnt seem managable to me? Rotts and pitbulls (pitbulls being much higher) account for 68% of dog attacks that end in a death (presa canarios will soon be right up there) So to say a pit is managable is way off! Rotts are the same way I will give you that very strong powerful protective dogs that no human could handle.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:05 am
well, there are more pitbulls in the united states than any other aggressive breed. have you ever walked into a dog pound in an urban area. As far as the dogo argntino go, they are a very srtrong and intelegent breed and do what they were breed to do well, however, we also use coonhonuds and blueticks to hunt bear and i dont hear anyone bragging them up. Ridgebacks have been used to hunt lions, and most other dogs were used to hunt somthing that man is affraid of, be it wolves, pigs, lions tiges and bears, oh my! If you can show me a healthy adult male killed by a pitbull, ill send ya a dollar. Can you guys imagian if there werwe stray presas, dogos, Kangals or central asian ovtcharkas running free and digging in our trash cans? Be glad its pitbulls.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:43 am
2.) Although there are no accurate or even near accurate census records for dogs in the U.S., in some populations pit bulls are estimated to comprise some 30-40% of the dog population, making it by FAR the most popular breed. Considering that there are an estimated 53,000,000 dogs in the U.S., and assuming that pit bulls make up 20% of that population, there would be approximately 10,600,000 pit bulls in our society. In 1998, five pit bulls were involved in 2 fatal attacks.
That is roughly ONE dog out of 2,120,000 – or .00004716 percent of the pit bull Population.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:01 am
THE QUESTION IS, top 10 badass watchdog? Is a pitbull on the list, absolutly not. Where did you get your 70%, if more than 30 poeple were killed in the us due to dog bites in the last 10 years ill be suprised. Manageable?? ill let my 12 year old kid walk an aggresive pit bull anyday over an aggressive rottweiler or pressa or any truly large breed dog. She just cant hold the dog back where the pitbulls smaller more manageable size would allow her to do so.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Why has there been no mention of a fila or Bully Kutta? Fila are so aggressive towards strangers that during dog shows the judges are not allowed to touch the dogs. Filas literally will not stand for a stranger touching them. Plus they weigh 130 pounds plus.
I agree Patrick that central asian ovtcharkas, Caucasian ovtcharkas, dogo argentinos, presa canarios are prob the most dangerous breeds out there. I personally think a 200+ pound bully kutta a tosa inu, Rottweiler and Fila would top that list to.All great guard dogs. When these breeds start hitting the USA and start getting in the hands of these scumbag thugs, it is going to be a real problem. I promise you all these breeds will be banned in the future. The only saving grace is the high cost of these breeds! Pit Bulls you can find anywhere.
I have a 5 year old Rhodesian female and 9 month dogo male. Got the male as a pup and the dogo and her get along GREAT! But i can already notice the dogo getting very protective of me and also VERY protective of my Rhodesian.I really hope these breeds are not scrutinized like pit bulls have been because of shitty careless owners.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:43 am
SGTHACKER, you are truly an educated idiot. While you’re correct and it’s true that a man may rather face a pit bull rather than a dogo or some other breed purely guaging it’s size, you have nothing but speculation to back up your claims about pits indiscriminately attacking humans. Yes, if they are game dogs they will fight anything that walks…to them that’s like a labrador jumping in the water-it’s in their blood (although many many pits are not like that, referred to as ‘cold’). So it no doubt takes a responsible owner to have a pit bull. But make no mistake about it, a true bred pit bull terrier, and not the 85lb mongrel crossbred mutts passed off as APBTs, are the most people friendly and children friendly dogs you will find. In fact they make horrible guard dogs for that reason. Also hacker, you have no idea what you’re talking about when you say so many other sizeable dog breeds will demolish a pit. YOU CLEARLY DON’T KNOW THE BREED AND HAVE NEVER SPENT MUCH TIME AROUND THEM. Talk all you want about your videos, reports, yada yada yada you want. All I read on this site is “I saw”, “I heard”, “Someone told me”. Give me a break!! Well I have owned and owned some more! With a pit not only do I not have to worry about a lawsuit from an attack victim, I don’t have to worry about losing my dog from being attacked-by any breed-cane corso, tosa, sheepdog (lolhaha I was rolling when I saw that one), and especially the Rottie. All great dogs, I won’t digress into a pubescent my dog can whip yours diatribe because that’s just ridiculous talk for people who have no business owning as much as a goldfish, but you will search very long and very hard for any dog that can whip a game pit any given day.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
“85lb mongrel crossbred mutts passed off as APBTs” by outinfront.
AKA american bully, i call them pigbulls.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
And by the way hacker, I’m sure you’ll write a novel in response to this post in a very barbed, sensitive, bitter, and biting manner like all your other posts where you claim to not start any s$%t but in reality you do nothing but fuel the fire, but you’ve already defined yourself for the arrogant minded man you are with entirely too much of an axe to grind and time on his hands. So go ahead and shoot your classless mouth off like you’ve already done for over a year now, it’s nothing new.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:30 am
Cant believe the presa canario ,fila brasilio and the bully kutta arent on this list,and what about the american bulldog, you obviosly dont know what your talking about.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:54 am
american bulldog? your kidding right?
January 21st, 2009 at 9:02 am
Just a quick comment for Stoney Berke (posting number 7)
The Pitbull is agressive to other dogs, but not necessarily a good guard dog. I doubt if anybody would argue about the Pitbull’s ability to kill other dogs – but for a dog that is suitable for guarding people or premises, I don’t think very many people would put them near the top of the list.
My personal preference is for German Shepherds – but other people have excellent Dobermans, Rotweillers, etc. There is no such thing as ‘the best’ dog. It’s all down to personal taste. German Shepherds are MY personal best – for one particular purpose. For another purpose, I think the Border Collie is best (not a guard dog).
I’m living in Ukraine at present, and I’ve seen a few Kavkasky Ovcharka (Caucasian Shepherd). Don’t just call them Ovcharka – that just means Shepherd. They are big and impressive, but appearance varies greatly. Ears are usually cropped to prevent frostbite.
January 22nd, 2009 at 9:52 am
j aime beauceau le ( rott)
January 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pm
I agree with Russ…as I have said here, pit bulls don’t make good guard dogs…although my 110lb pit bull’s bark(and size) would be enough to deter any would-be home invaders. The Caucasian Ovtcharka, on the other hand, has to be at or near the top of anyone’s list. Too bad they’re rare here in America.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:25 am
This list is great I think. I go camping in the summer with people one guy brings his two Cane Corso’s along for the trip. They are amazing dogs. Seriously thinking about getting one. Akita’s are another great breed my friend just got one who was a rescued dog she was abused badly. But now that shes in a loving home she’s friendly to most people she still has a problem with unfamiliar men but she’s definitely one dog I would like to have in my house if anyone was to break in.
January 23rd, 2009 at 1:46 pm
I have a 8 month old male dogo argentino. I got him from a rescue. He was very under fed when i got him so he has put on about 12 pounds in the last month. He weighs 72 pounds. Does anyone have any idea how big he might get? I know male dogos take up tp 3 years to fully grow or so I have been told. He has HUGE paws that looks almost out of proportion to his body. Any help I can get from youll would be great! Love the list by the way! Yea number 3 on the list!!
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Dogos go 24-27″ tall and 80-100lbs. Google them for more info.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
I didn’t see to much about the American Bulldog. I have owned several GSD, Rotts, APBT, and Dobies. They all compare in comparison to the loyalty and situational awarness of the American Bulldogs. I can trust my dogs with my 5 kids and trust them to keep strangers out of my house and yard. It really comes down to what your needs are. Currently, I have 4 bulldogs that range from 90lbs to 135lbs. If three or four hells angels kicked in my front door and didn’t start shooting – they are in a lot of trouble. My big male plays with my two year old daughter and all his puppies but he will get down if it calls for it. Just my two cents.
January 27th, 2009 at 2:12 am
Bulldogs are awesome! I saw one bite Cesar Millan lol. (No disrespect to Cesar he is the man)
January 27th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
oh my gosh a wolf dog i love wolfs and german sheperds its the perfect dog for me i also like meat i will give him all of it
January 27th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
TBAG TBAG TBAG
January 27th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
you a tbag?
January 28th, 2009 at 3:29 am
Bro, you totally messed up, i agree with the dogo and boerbol, but the number one on the list should of been the fila brasileiro only dog on earth to genetically hate strangers (ojeriza) followed second by the presa canario….come on man do some research…..HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 3:48 am
The ad you have here is the boerboel description but it looks like you have pics of cane corso. Typically, boerboele ears are not cropped at all. these two you have shown have the typical corso ear crops. Please verify!?
January 28th, 2009 at 4:03 am
In addition, I agree with Donhoja that the #1 badass should be the Fila (Fila Brasiliero) or Brazilian Mastiff. It IS the only dog breed known to possess “Ojeriza” or genetic inbreeding of a natural distrust of strangers. It is also ledgendary for its loyalty and protectiveness of its pack (family) and will protect to the end if necessary. So, do a little more research and then come back with a new top ten!
January 28th, 2009 at 10:40 am
I have an irish staff (the relative of a APBT) and a boerboel, I was walking my staff when it ran into a cane corso’s garden, the cane corso went for my dog and they ended up having a roll, my staff grabbed the corsos leg and wouldnt let go it just shook its leg, after 10 minutes the corso was exhausted, and my staff just wanted to keep going until i stopped it, i pulled it off and walked away,
Point is the big dogs are good for guarding, but the APBT, EBT and the Irish and English staffies, are the dogs with the most fight and would win 8/10 fights against other breeds.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
A caucasian is right up there with a fila people. They should both be number 1. He did his homework. Caucasian are the badest of the bad. I also love these random comments about oh yea I was walking my dog and there happened to be a cane corso loose. Give me a fucken break. First off Cane Corso are rare. Second im tired of hearing people talk about these random run ins with dogs while their walking their dogs. Give me a break. Its bullshit lies.
January 28th, 2009 at 11:49 am
i believe the central asian ovtcharka and caucasian ovtcharka are the most ferocious gaurd dogs, they are a level above any. On the other hand, these dogs are indipendant thinkers and do best gaurding livestock. They need no bite training or protection work to gaurd their keep with their lives, this is a key point to know with these dogs, they do not make good pets, they are very hard dogs from very hard lines. The females can be sweet sensitive dogs but they can turn on like a switch if triggered, any potental owners need to know how these dogs work, they are no so pack oriented, they believe they are equals to their handeler/owners. They go to war for their territory.
January 30th, 2009 at 1:08 am
I had a wolf malmute cross and she was the best dog I ever had she was very easy to train, however needed to be reminded from time to time who was the boss…and it should be noted she wasnt wild about children but very loving and loyal and ill miss her always
January 31st, 2009 at 7:28 pm
I HAVE 2 PITBULLS AND A MALE CANE CORSO #2 ON THE LIST.i SOMETIMES SIT AND HOPE SOMEONE TRIES TO BREAK INTO MY HOME.CORSO GO HIGH PITS GO LOW.ITS OVER BRO. IF THEY DO GET PAST THE DOGS I WILL BE READY BY THEN…PEACE
February 1st, 2009 at 11:08 pm
228. nova_caine
A pit-lab mix?!?! Aww… I used to foster dogs and my favorite ever was a pit-lab mix (yellow lab. He was absolutely wonderful to have around…always happy and silly. If I culd have afforded to, I would’ve adopted him as my own.
Neez is right. Size isn’t the be all, end all. To me, smaller dogs are usually more aggressive.
Someone mentioned the Rhodesian Ridgeback…how are they as pets? Temperment-wise? Energy-wise? sociability? availability in the US? I think they are absolutely gorgeous and would love to have one if it fits my lifestyle. I definitely want another pit-lab mix but my life right now is pretty nomadic and I don’t want to deal with pit bull laws in any place I may stay temporarily.
February 7th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
2 words, Canis Panther
February 9th, 2009 at 2:21 am
To the guy who keeps promoting Pits, My uncle had a Black German Sheppard that put a pit to shame with the quickness. Earning the pit a trip to the vet. Please don’t come here and claim pits as the most bad a$$ dog because they are not. I also had a boxer that got into it with a pit and stood his ground very well considering he gave up about a 15-20Ib diff. He fought him until I was able to get him off and inside the house. The pit gave him some punture wounds to the neck and leg but my boxer opened up some wounds on his head as well. The pit got into my back yard and my boxer fought him until I pulled him inside.
And once again as said before Pits are not unbeatable by other dogs. The only thing that they have is the great ability to bite and hang on. Not a good family dog like a Rotty, GS, or Dobbie, which are all good protectors and very loyal.
February 9th, 2009 at 2:25 am
Oh and don’t forget about German pinchers. Also good guard dogs.
February 12th, 2009 at 9:59 am
i have 2 words to
Giant Schnauzer
February 12th, 2009 at 10:06 am
And the Pitbull is really strong for his stature,but he is good at fighting only in the ring,because if a pit enters another dog’s yard,the pit isn’t that strong anymore of course the other dog must be a guard dog from this list or from the other thens of breeds that could easily be on this list
February 14th, 2009 at 8:23 am
You got it very wrong with the wolfdog. Wolfdogs are timid animals, and will hide from strange humans rather than attack. If another dog goes for them, they’ll back off. The only time a wolfdog attacks is if he/she feels its the only way. Their not vicious. However, you need to take them away from their mother within the first 2-4 weeks of life, otherwise they will not imprint on humans, and will never fit in as well as they could. The best why is to make sure when they open their eyes, the first thing they see is a human rather than another wolf. They also need bottle feeding so not to become bonded with the wolf parent (usually the wolf is the mother). They need socialising with people of all ages and dogs straight away. They are hard to train, as they get bored easily and more intelligent than dogs (a wolf’s brain is 35% larger than a dogs). Wolfdogs make awful pets, but wonderful companions. This is a dog that is a member of the family rather than a pet. They need containment (metal, they’d break through wood) at least 6 foot high with a roof and someway to stop them climbing over, and something to stop them digging their way out. They are brilliant escape artists. Some wolfdogs live indoors, but some would just tear the house up. They need company 24/7. If you or a family member can’t be with them all the time, then you need at least two wolfdogs, or another large dog breed for company. They can’t be fed on dog food, they need raw meet. You need to be dedicated to own a wolfdog, and be prepared for all sorts of complications, if you live alone with a wolfdog you’d be unable to keep a full time job, and its best not to have young children. Although a wolfdog wouldn’t hurt its pack on purpose, they like to rough play, and a wolf can break bones in its jaws, and a full grown one could easily pin a full grown man. Same goes for high percentage wolfdogs. That said, so long as they are socialised and well cared for, they will be the greatest, most loyal friend you could ever wish for. They also seem to build a closer bond with you than most dogs. Usually they will bond with one person more over the rest of the family. Wolfdogs are amazing animals, but are not for the average dog owner. They would make terrible guard dogs. They may warn you someone’s in the house/approaching the house, but they wouldn’t intercept the thief or whoever.
As for the dogs you mentioned I couldn’t say, I’ve never really had much contact with any of them. Wolves are much more my area.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Wheres the english mastiff?!
February 14th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
hiding under the carpet with the wolf and lab-pitbull crossbreeds!!!!!
February 14th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
whatever, the english mastiff is:
1:big
2:powerful
and 3: will defend its home and owners till either itself or the person attacking is dead
February 14th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
oh, and a while ago you claimed that Rottweilers were dumb. Rottweilers are the ninth smartest dogs in the world. And one of the bravest. that Rot would tear you to shreds in no time.
February 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
well, rottweilers are very, very smart dogs, they track well, are awsome in obedience, and are second to none in ring sport. i know what im talking about, ive owned more than 30 and my parents trained sold and raised rottweilers before anyone even knew what they were. a dumb rottweiler really reflects on its owner. an english mastiff couldnt kill any healthy man that has no fear of dogs and a little size and aggresion to them. i dont want to say anything bad about english mastiffs, and any breed can be territoral if improperly socalized, but the hard lines of english mastiffs are all but gone.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I respect your opinion about the mastiffs. I don’t agree with what you’re saying but I wont start an arguement on the internet.
I’m just looking at the facts: 200+lb dog vs. 220 lb man if it’s a big guy.
IT’S ON! But seriously. I agree a APBT isn’t going to be that much of a guard dog.
February 15th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Patrick why dont you just get off this post. You insult everyone that has an opinion about a certain breed. Why dont you just shut your mouth and respect someones opinion. I am sure a 200+ Enlgish Mastiff could rip apart any man and would make a great guard dog. They were actually recorded as having a bite pressure of over 500 psi! Look it up on youtube. Way to do be the adult W/e.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:14 am
thanks tim
February 15th, 2009 at 11:12 am
if there was a top 30 gaurd dog list, and not just akc bullshit breeds, you english mastiff wouldnt make the list still. the most deadly dogs on the planet are flock gaurdians, and i could pick 10 like caucasian ovtcharks, south russian ovtcharka, central asian ovtcharka, maremma, Kuvasz, Cuvac, Turkish Kangal Dog, ect… Bite force my ass. Its not in the jaws, its in the head, so you can live in fanticy land, a english mastiff is a good watchdog at best, right up there with your standard poodle, great dane, and st. benard.
February 15th, 2009 at 11:29 am
The point of a gaurd dog is for it to halt the trespasser and make you aware of the presense of someone who shouldn’t be there. Either that or defend a flock. I agree that herding dogs are vicouse if you try to invade the flock, but the English mastiff was used in war as well as a gaurding dog. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to get on the badside of any of the dogs on the list, but picture a 200+ lb dof running at you full speed with teeth bared? If you try to break into a house with a dog like that, you’re a fool. Lb for lb the english mastiff is an exellent gaurd dog. I don’t see the point in saying that it isn’t.
February 15th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
A guy an his wife I see at my local dog park has an English Mastiff and a St. Bernard. They bring chairs and sit. The St. B just lays around but that Mastiff will NOT allow any other dogs near their camp until she checks them out.
I have two pit bulls. The male will be over 100lbs I think, his father is that big. I could train them to be guard dogs but I won’t. They’re good watchdogs though, they bark at things happening out front of my house.
February 17th, 2009 at 9:01 am
the akita should definitely be on the list. It looks like a wolf, hates strangers, protective of its family, and protective of its territory, and is a giant
February 17th, 2009 at 10:40 am
What about the brininuy spaniel? there is one on my street that barks. I also saw a beagle that barks lit a son of a gun all the time, it looks DEADLY!!! And dont forget the about those pit bull dogs, i hear they kill poeple!!!
February 17th, 2009 at 10:46 am
thats right jj. but one time, at band camp, i saw a pit bull/lab mix kill a councler!@! i said OMG, then it came for me, but i had my irish wolfhound to protect me, and guess what? It did, the wolfhound killed the lab pitbull mix and i was finally safe. The end.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
OMG P:). when i was at band camp, i saw a rare breed called the caviler king charles spaniel in action, ABSOLUTLY DEADLY!!. KILLED 3 PITBULLS, A GREAT DANE AND 2 COUNCLERS, i was scared, good thing i had my chow chow with me and he killed the monster and evertthing and everyone lived happy ever after, the end.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:59 am
WOW Pj, you really tell it like it is. I was witness to all of these events. Standing behind PJ, I am just so glad for his chow chow, i owe my life to this dog. that chow grabbed the king charles spaniel and shook it like a rag doll. then it called for his buddies, like 300 king charles spaniels just jumped out from nowhere, but the chow got all of them and saved Pj and i fron certain death by snuggling at the hands , or i should saty paws of those evil king charles spaniels, the end.
February 17th, 2009 at 11:00 am
2 words. cocker spaniel!!
February 17th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
LOL you guys are funny.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
i have a dog thats part wolf, part huskey, and part lab. beautiful dog. really nice.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
wake up no one has mentioned a blue heeler or a smithy or a red heeler you people have never seen a nasty dog in action hard work makes a good dog not fighting
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
You forgot, Giant Schnauzer, which the police are now bringing into the force rather than the Shepherds.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:35 pm
I realise the Giant Shnauzer is a good guard dog, but how phsycotic do those pd’s have to be to go Giant Shnauzer above German Shepherd?
February 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pm
I think that Mastiffs,Rottweiler,Doberman,St.Bernard[Moscow watch dog],Pit Bulls,and German Shepherds are the nicest dogs.No im not just sayin that but i have owned those differnt dogs breeds.
February 23rd, 2009 at 9:27 pm
No smart, educated person would contest these dogs are (as a breed) evil dogs…but there’s no denying some make great guard dogs. Except pit bulls…I don’t know why there was a need to make controversy over them. If some specific dogs weren’t trained and starved to attack, then apbt’s are generally pussies as they have a low tolerance of real pain (they can rough and tumble with the kids but require a couple vet techs to restrain them for vaccinations). The only fear a burglar would have from a pit bull would be to be licked or nudged to death.
338. w/e
Giant Schnauzers have less health issues than German Shepherds which are prone to hip dysplasia and elbow troubles. How’s the temperament of Giant Schnauzers? I haven’t met too many in person…
February 24th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Gabi there is no point in insulting a breed because you might be insulting someone on this forum.
March 1st, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Gabi: Elbow and hip displasia are only as common as they are in German Shepherds because of brother/ sister breeding in the 70’s. Both can be avoided by only breeding dogs with no history of the diseases in the imediate family.
Oh, and a pit bull can fuck you up if you let your guard down. Not that I’m saying they’re the best guard dogs.
March 1st, 2009 at 2:38 pm
342. w/e
Thanks for the insight regarding German Shepherds!
As for pit bulls… it’s been hashed out quite a bit in above posts and I don’t care to reiterate. I’ll just put that technically, any untrained, unsocialized dog has the ability give someone a beat down. I handled 60+ lbs of pure muscle (aka pit bulls) with ease but was bitten by 35 lb. coonhound. In most cases with domesticated animals, nurture can surpass nature.
March 1st, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Yeah, I think the folks posting that pits are some of the best guard dogs are on something.
I’d still take my chances against a coon hound than with a pit bull.
March 1st, 2009 at 6:35 pm
I have a chihuahua and my chichuahua is the most loveing dog i know!! but you have to find the right chichuahua because a lot of chihuahuas i know are mean but there are lot of chihuahuas that are not, you just have to find the right one!!!!
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
rottweilers are definitly # 1
i have one and shes not only the best house pet but an amazing gaurd dog they are the smartest strongest dogs you can get and even if they know and love the person the will attack thyem if they are hurting there owner!!!
i know some people who have litterally tried almost everydog on heren for a gaurd dog for the junkuyard and rottweiler was the way to go for the be smart get a rottie
March 4th, 2009 at 7:25 am
get a rottweiler
March 5th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
I think Germansheperds are the best guard dogs and family dogs
March 5th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
For best guarding dogs I think this list defo includes some of the best, but I think breeds missed out were.. Presa canario,Japanese Akita,english mastiff, but some 1 tried to bring pitbull’s into it? pitbulls are of course the best pound for pound fighting dog in the world followed by the Tosa inu(fact)but although powerful it was not breed for its guarding ability but fighting ability, well done with the list youve constructed
March 7th, 2009 at 4:31 am
the pitbull was never meant to be a guard dog, I’ve had both pitbull and german shepherd, the german shepherd was a better all round guard dog, but a harder dog to own than the pitbull.
My pitbull is 47kg and more reliable than my GSD was, easier to own, much better around people, and they are devoted to there owner’s, I believe they will lay down their life for their owner, well, at least mine would, I’ve seen him guard quite well…….different style to a GSD, but still effective.
But this all up to individual dogs of any breed, there are good and bad examples in all breeds……………most dogs will protect their owners and guard their property.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:12 am
South Africa, very very dangerous place, I have a 70kg male boerboel ready to give his life for his family, then i have a 85kg female great dane cross boerboel, bring on your pits boys