The Bible is full of many fascinating tales – many good, and some bizarre – here are the top 10 bizarre tales from the Bible.
10. A lesson for those who dare mock male pattern baldness

Found in: 4 Kings 2:23-24
One of the more inspirational passages in the Bible tells the story of Elijah, a wise man, yet one cursed with male pattern baldness. One day he was minding his own business, making the long walk to Bethel, when he is attacked by a roving band of children who tease him with names like “bald head.” But Elijah was having none of this, he turns round and curses them in the name of the Lord, and instantly two female bears emerge from a nearby wood and maul all 42 children to death.
The moral of this story? Don’t make fun of bald people. Frankly, why this story isn’t included along with the Ten Commandments is anybody’s guess, but I think it would serve as an excellent lesson for children who think baldness is something to be made fun of.
9. Eglon’s ignoble death

Found in: Judges 3:21-25
Ehud is the Bible’s sneakiest assassin (and also the only left-handed person mentioned in the Holy Book). He is on a mission to deliver a “message from God” to smarmy King Eglon. Ehud waltzes in to meet the gluttonous king, pulls out a sword and stabs Eglon in the stomach. At first he can’t get it in, but he pushes harder and eventually reaches his intestine. Eglon is so overweight, we learn, that his fat actually covers the hilt of the sword, pushing it further into his stomach until it’s not even visible. It’s at this point that Eglon loses control of his bowels and begins to defecate mercilessly all over his chamber. The King’s attendants eventually come back, but do not enter Eglon’s bed chamber, assuming he is relieving himself. After waiting “to the point of embarrassment”, his attendants burst in to find their king dead on the floor, covered in his own faecal matter. Meanwhile, Ehud had escaped to the town of Seriah.
The moral of this story? Who cares, but it’s damn cool.
8. Onan – cautious, yet foolish

Found in: Genesis 38:8-10
A story so eponymous, it gave way to its own neologism – onanism, an archaic term for masturbation. Basically, God kills Er. Why? We don’t really find out. However, in a stroke of good luck, Er’s father, Judah, has given you the right, nay the duty, to have sex with your dead brother’s wife. Onan is a bit apprehensive at first, but agrees to go through with this bizarre scheme to create a ‘true heir’ to Er. He begins to have sex with the girl, but at the last minute decides to pull out and spill “his seed upon the ground.” God is so irked he decides to kill Onan too, and thus nobody gets an heir. This story is the basis for the Christian condemnation of masturbation and birth control.
The moral of this story? In the words of Monty Python, “Every sperm is sacred…”
7. A very disturbing tale

Found in: Judges 19:22-30
Within the Bible, one occasionally finds stories so horrible, one can wonder what their purpose is. Not only is this story utterly bizarre, but it is also absolutely disgusting. A man and his concubine are wandering the streets when they decide to seek shelter for the night, and find a man kind enough to let them stay. That night however, a group of men turn up at the door and demand to see the guest so that they may have sex with him. The owner is unwilling to let his male lodger be raped and so offers up his virgin daughter instead. However, this is still not good enough for the men, so the owner offers them his guest’s concubine and the men accept. The men brutally rape the woman and leave her on the doorstep where she bleeds to death. If that is not enough, when she is found by her husband, he chops her up into twelve pieces which he sends to each of the twelve tribes of Israel.
The moral of this story? I would hope none.
6. A novel way to show your love

Found in: 1 Kings 18:25-27
Before Byron, before Casanova, there was David. Young and in love, David desperately wants to marry Saul’s daughter Michal and offers Saul anything he wants to let him marry her. What could Saul possibly want? Money? A vow of love? No. Saul wants foreskins. 100 to be exact. Why? Who cares. If you want my daughter, you’re going to have to find 100 foreskins by tomorrow. David finds this odd, but then again this girl is hot, so he goes out and kills 200 men, and collects their foreskins. It’s only then he remembers that he only needs 100 foreskins. Oops. Oh well, maybe if he hands over twice as many foreskins, Saul will be doubly as impressed. Indeed he is and duly hands over his daughter to David.
The moral of this story? Never be ashamed to do crazy things for love.
5. Like slicing salami

Found in: Exodus 4:24-26
Continuing the Bible’s fascination with all things foreskin, we get the bizarre story of God trying to kill Moses because his son isn’t circumcised. God is about to obliterate Moses when his wife Zipporah takes out a flint and quickly cuts the foreskin of his son (ouch), throwing the bloody skin fragment at Moses’ feet. “You are a bloody husband to me!” squeals Zipporah, flint in one hand, child in other. God, clearly freaked out by this woman, backs off and Moses is saved.
The moral of this story? Never turn down a woman for being a psycho. Someday she may save your life.
4. Jesus and the fig tree

Found in: Matthew 21:19; Mark 11:13-14
So, Jesus is walking from Bethany and he’s feeling a bit peckish. He encounters a fig tree, but unfortunately it is barren as it’s the off season for figs. Annoyed, Jesus demands the fig tree bear him fruit, however the fig tree doesn’t respond (it’s a tree), so Jesus, in an act of uncharacteristic rashness, curses the fig tree to death. This story is bizarre for many reasons, but mainly for how little it means to the Jesus story and how Jesus seems to react so harshly. OK, so he’s hungry, and we all get a little cranky when hungry, but come on, the fig tree had done nothing wrong. This just seems like abuse of powers to me.
The moral of this story? I honestly can’t think of one. This story seems so unimportant and purposeless yet both Mark and Matthew mention it so it must have some importance. The best I can think of is: don’t disobey Jesus, even if you’re an inanimate tree.
3. Even God is proud of his backside

Found in: Exodus 33:23
It’s a big day for Moses. He’s finally going to meet God face to face and is giddy with anticipation. Soon the time comes and Moses positions himself on a rock ready to see the divine creator himself. But God backs out at the last minute claiming that no man can see his face and live. However, he has a solution. He will let Moses have a peek at his backside, “And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.” Moses must be heartbroken. He was hoping to see God’s face not his bottom! Imagine explaining that to the wife: “Oh honey, did you see God’s face?” “Umm not quite…I got a great look at his ass though!” Moses most likely slept alone that night.
The moral of this story? God works in mysterious (and slightly gay) ways.
2. Balaam and his talking donkey

Found in: Numbers 22:28-30
Balaam is just minding his own business, spanking his ass (donkey) when suddenly he hears a voice. It’s his donkey who is asking him why he is spanking him. Balaam doesn’t seem the least bit miffed that his donkey has starting talking in the same language as him and says, “Because thou hast mocked me.” The donkey then gets philosophical and explains the nature of their relationship and how his feelings have been hurt. Eventually they make peace. Oh yeah did I mention it was TALKING DONKEY?
The moral of this story? Don’t beat animals. If they could talk then they would probably tell you how upset they were.
1. Jacob and the case of the magical genetics

Found in: Genesis 30:37-39
And the most bizarre tale in the Bible goes too…this head-scratcher from Genesis, with its utterly bemusing explanation of the genetic code. Basically, Laban is taking all of Jacob’s beloved striped and spotted cattle. Jacob is left with boring old, plain-coloured cattle, which he doesn’t seem to like at all. So Jacob concocts a cunning plan: he gets some sticks and begins painting stripes on them. He then plants them next to his cattle. What Jacob thinks is that if he gets his cattle to look at the striped sticks while copulating, then they will give birth to striped young. Now, we’d all expect this idiotic plan to fail and Jacob to learn a lesson about something or other, but no it actually works. The cattle give birth to striped young, and Jacob is happy. What on earth is going on here? Anyone with the most basic understanding of genetics knows that this is bunk. The odd thing is that this story seems to have no purpose and moral – it’s just there. And I can’t help wondering how many scientists with painted sticks had attempted to repeat this process before Mendel came along and said, “I’m pretty sure that’s not how it’s supposed to happen fellas, why don’t we try this instead?”
The moral of this story? Your guess is as good as mine.
Contributor: JT





January 31st, 2008 at 4:31 am
I am an extremely skilled onanite(?) and I have yet to go blind OR die. In your face, morality!
January 31st, 2008 at 5:00 am
BLASPHEMY!!!….. INFIDEL!!!…
more?…
January 31st, 2008 at 5:01 am
…wow, that’s all I can say. These are the stories that they don’t really teach their kids I guess…wow.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:03 am
Most of these are just creepy. I guess that’s why none of them made it into children’s books, like Noah and the Ark.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:05 am
that was UNREAL!!!
I have never laughed so hard.
Your explanations were SPOT on!
January 31st, 2008 at 5:09 am
For #4 on the list: Godhatesfigs.com.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:12 am
Haha, this list is awesome. Those stories are so damn wierd. For #4, whatever happened to Jesus being benevolant and loving?? Doesn’t sound like a much of a saviour to me if he gets pissy over a fig tree!
The morals made me laugh, especially the “The moral of this story? God works in mysterious (and slightly gay) ways” one!
January 31st, 2008 at 5:18 am
/gets popcorn
Man, this should be a great comment section. If it doesn’t set a record, then I’ll lose my faith in the evangelical right wing of America.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:20 am
re #5
Is that where they got the name for Zippo lighters?
January 31st, 2008 at 5:21 am
#6 Can you picture this in your head?
David is done collecting. Goes to Saul’s place. Says “Got what you wanted”. Saul goes “Lemme see” David gives him the bag of foreskins. Saul takes them out and starts counting “That’s one, that’s two, that’s three. Hey, is this a complete foreskin? I’m not counting it. I think you’re trying to cheat me. Not counting this one either, it’s pretty ripped up. I don’t see any value in it. This is a pretty good one. We’ll put in our Top Ten Foreskins pile, then I’m gonna make a display. People got this thing for Top Ten’s”
January 31st, 2008 at 5:30 am
Steven; rofl – very clever and so early in the morning too
jfrater; great list! I would be curious as to how the fundamentalist/bible is the literal truth folks would explain your examples.
also I heard on the news this am that Nancy Cartwright (Bart Simpson) gave $10 Million to the cos. Damn even ruined the Simpson’s for me. Sad when the cartoon character has more common sense than the actor. oh and they are gonna honour her in a “Private Award Ceremony”. Lord even the catholics gave up the money for salvation thing.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:36 am
Maybe when the CoS is as rich as the catholic church they will give it up too. The catholic church is supposedly the richest organization in the world, surpassing any of the multinational corporations. The Basilica has the world’s most highly valued art collection.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:05 am
Some of these have GOT to be added by ancient pranksters.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:16 am
Gotta say – I am curious to see how many people go crazy over this one
January 31st, 2008 at 6:26 am
JT:
Fantastic list.
In regards to #4, Jesus and the fig tree–you left out one salient point that makes it even a little weirder. I don’t have a copy of the Bible in front of me right now, so I can’t quote verbatim, but I remember this one well… in essence the Bible explains that Jesus approached the fig tree, wanting figs, as he was hungry… but, the Bible adds at this point, *it was not the time for figs*…i.e., it was the wrong time of year! Then the Big Guy proceeds to curse the tree and it (says the Bible) “withered.”
Nice. What it means, I have no idea.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:35 am
Randall: From entry #4: “it is barren as it’s the off season for figs”
January 31st, 2008 at 6:37 am
Funny stuff, especially the sin of Onan.
I believe #4 is supposed to show that as followers of Christ you are supposed to do good deeds. “bearing fruit” is often a euphemism of in the bible for doing good deeds. This is why the barren, fruitless fig tree was cursed. Jesus was just making a particularly strong point (albeit a tad weird)
As for the rest of the stuff, I don’t really have time to explain it right now, and most of it IS indeed quite weird (though a few points are misrepresented)
Jesus is the most important figure anyway. Some websites, like tektonics.org and christian-thinktank.com have answers to questions/points made above.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:38 am
Wow! Great list!
There’s a reason why I never believed in this crap. The bible was written as a way to forumlate laws and rules and to control people. It is more than outdated, even the new testament. It is obsurd to take anything from the bible as literal.
I didn’t realize that there was necrophelia (sp?) in the bible… I’m surprised someone hasn’t used that one to change the law in the US to allow for that sort of thing, as fundamentalists tend to do.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:39 am
If you took the time to study the bible you would find the meanings for all these stories. Its absurd to guess at what they mean when the answers are so clear. Not a good list!
January 31st, 2008 at 6:43 am
dango:
Jesus… how’d I miss that? uh…. sorry JT…. my mistake.
(hope I didn’t piss somebody off upstairs…)
January 31st, 2008 at 6:43 am
Bah! Mocking the bible is blasphemy. Though quite fun nevertheless.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:45 am
(IMO)
Not a great list at all…frankly, i am embarrassed for having read the entire article. I expect to be struck by lightning anytime now. But, in all fairness, some of these stories are hard to grasp the point, or moral. I suggest a good NIV study Bible if someone is actually serious about learning what these mean.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:46 am
there is also one in ezekiel around chapter 22 or so about the two adultress or concubine women who chase the army men. They say in one verse that their emissions were like horses and hung like them too. I am being too lazy to look it up for exact words but it’s in there.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:50 am
jwbm- I didn’t see necrophilia… perhaps you are thinking about #8. He is supposed to have sex with the dead BROTHERS wife, not the dead wife. But I read it wrong first too.
jfrater- GREAT list! I’ve always loved unusual Bible stories, its interesting what you find in “the book.”
January 31st, 2008 at 6:52 am
This site: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm attempts to question the Bible and offers explanations to some of the weirder verses.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:54 am
Amanda – Yep, Duh. You’re right. LOL Still doesn’t convince me of anything though. LOL
January 31st, 2008 at 6:55 am
I laughed with tears, am still laughing in fact!
January 31st, 2008 at 7:02 am
Guess you all will find out the answers to these riddles when you’re basking in the 7th circle of Dante’s easy bake. Get’s kinda muggy down there. Or enjoy skiing on the lake of fire. Wheeeee!
Don’t forget to slather on some Coppertone! You won’t want to let a little scorch ruin your fun!
Pagans!
January 31st, 2008 at 7:04 am
Bucslim: Meh. My son would never do anything like that. (My son’s name is D’ante)
January 31st, 2008 at 7:10 am
HAHAHA…that lego picture was so damn funny….
January 31st, 2008 at 7:15 am
Shabab: It’s part of the the Brick Testament: http://thebricktestament.com/
January 31st, 2008 at 7:19 am
And we think Scientology is wierd…
January 31st, 2008 at 7:36 am
#28: Dante eh? Was he there in Clerks?
January 31st, 2008 at 7:39 am
Nope. His name is spelled the French way, though not pronounced the French way. He’s a bit young for clerks too. Right now he’s more interested in eating his shoes and watching cartoons. That and dice. He’s gonna be a gamer like his parents.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:46 am
Great list… very very funny!
Definitely have to check out the brick testament later.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:47 am
heavy bison, yes, even Anne Frank knows that.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:48 am
Great list!! Now when my daughter asks why we don’t go to church or read the bible, I will just show her this list. This should illustrate my “most religions are crazy and have nothing to offer” point.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:01 am
Sweet, a list full of ignorant mocking of biblical texts without any understanding on the part of the mockers about context or anything of that sort! Way to go! I’m so glad we live in a society where being PC guarantees respect for all ideas!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:09 am
I think # 10 should be Elisha and not Elijah. Eliseus is Elisha and Elias is Elijah
January 31st, 2008 at 8:09 am
If you take a religon too seriously you become a terrorist or a “fundie” that pickets funerals or holds live poisonous snakes.Sad sad sad.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:10 am
ok. i guess i’ll be the one to take up defense.
i absolutely agree that these stories are bizarre. but let’s remember that context, author’s original intent and societal customs all play a role in properly understanding the point of these stories. and to add a presupposition, everything in the Bible is there for a reason.
i have a masters degree in theology. i say this only as a means to convey that i have studied biblical hermeneutics and realize the problem with stories and verses out of context.
i’ll just try to explain one instead of the whole list.
#7 – there is a similar story in Genesis 19 where a band of criminals demand that a host release his guest so that they can be raped. this directly proceeds God destroying the entire city, Sodom, save for one family.
if you continue to read past the appointed section, i.e. ch 20, you will see that the reason that the man of the story “divided her (the dead girl), limb by limb, into twelve pieces, and sent her throughout all the territory of israel” was to call the nation to war against the men of the town that did this thing. ch 20:1 says “then all the people of israel came out, from dan to beersheba (extreme north israel to extreme south, i.e. everyone) including the land of gilead, and the congregation assembled as one man.” the people are outraged at the benjamites, the perpetrators, and it has sparked civil war.
the moral of the story, don’t do this crap or there are severe consequences.
and i agree, the picture of the spilled seed is hilarious. i love brick testament.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:15 am
I grapple a lot with some of the episodes above, and while I have not found “answers” to them per se, I am not sure an answer would suffice. It’s like asking why in the midsty of suffering. Would any answer really help? I do think scripture has what appears to be contradictions, only because we are uncomfortable with paradoxes. And I think long, careful study of these scriptures (including the original languages, lexicons, historical context, etc) may lend more insight. But since we are applying our post-enlightenment mind-set to scripture, we are expecting things to stand up to reason and objective criteria, etc.
I think the problem comes when we look at these stories and assume they are rules or morals to live by. The Bible is a complete narrative of the history of God and His dealings with people, and I think problems come as soon as we take sections out of context. I think that’s a lot like reading any other book.
As far as I understand my faith, being a Christian means following the teachings of Christ. And that means filtering all other things, including the whacky Old Testament stories, through my faith in Him. I think there is room to struggle. I am enrolled in seminary now, so I hope I can work through some of these issues. Then again if they are all resolved, I guess that doesn’t involve too much faith, does it?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:17 am
and just as a side note… the douay-rheims bible translation that the links go to is not a very faithful translation. there are alot of politics involved in their decisions. for a less biased work, go to biblegateway.com and choose either the NASB or ESV.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:17 am
Here’s a question for you, Jfrater, should the 40th commenter get a free Bible?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:17 am
Remember, onanism may be used as a term for masturbation, but his crime was clearly early withdrawal. This is the first recorded case of a ’substantial penalty for early withdrawal.”
January 31st, 2008 at 8:18 am
JLo: no! The coffers will be totally empty before long
January 31st, 2008 at 8:19 am
The passages all have specific meanings that can be derived from the story and surrounding context. read more than just the sentence and you will understand better. And #7 is not about necrophilia, the brother is dead, not the woman. Read carefully, heathen. (lol)
January 31st, 2008 at 8:19 am
DiscHuker: the DR is used by all English speaking Catholics and is an honest translation of the Latin Catholic bible – as Catholics are the largest majority of Christians (by more than twice the total number) I figured it okay to use
JT didn’t include links – just chapter and verse – I added the links.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:20 am
Oh – and please guys – this list is not meant to mock Christianity or religious people – it is MEANT to be funny because of the very fact that the stories are taken out of context. Of course the context and history makes most of them clear – but then it wouldn’t be a fun list would it?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:21 am
Now my comments are showing. I double posted because I couldn’t see them. Sorry…
January 31st, 2008 at 8:22 am
jfrater- so your saying you are deliberately provoking us??? :-O *wink*
January 31st, 2008 at 8:25 am
I do think that some of the stories in the bible may be outdated, as the new testament replaced alot of old ideals with more practical and less…uh…traumatic (?) solutions.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:26 am
Btw, for those wondering about the Fig Tree – the true moral of that one is that if a tree bears no fruit (ie, a religion does not do good for man) then it should be cursed (ie, thrown away) – early Christian thought on it was that it may have been a reference to Judaism having become so entangled in laws that there was no “love” or justice left in it (it was not bearing any fruit).
January 31st, 2008 at 8:27 am
JF: Really? I thought it was a prophecy about CoS
January 31st, 2008 at 8:27 am
What kills me about story number #7 is that it’s repeated!! Later on or right before there is the story about Lot being warned by two angels of the fall of Sodom. Then the men of the city want to “know” the angels and Lot tells them they can’t have the guests but he has two daughters who have yet to “know” men and they can have them instead. So the worst part of this horrible terrible story is that is was so important that it had to be told twice with different characters!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:27 am
you are right jayfray, but that doesn’t mean that politics weren’t involved.
the translation that i grew up with, King James, has the same problems.
when people sit down to translate and they come across something that is in opposition to current practice, something has to give. sadly, it is hardly ever current practice.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:28 am
Mystern: hah – I half wrote another comment referring to that and deleted it! But yes – I think it can be taken as the tacit approval of God to “curse” the CoS
longball: that is weird – for some reason your comments are going to moderation and I have to approve them – weird. Oh – and I wouldn’t EVER try to provoke anyone….
January 31st, 2008 at 8:30 am
DiscHuker: I really like the translation of the DR and am not aware of any politics – it was written in France away from the revolutionaries in a monastery – so there was no fear of death etc for the people involved. The version I used is the Challoner (I think) version which was a revision done in the 1800s far long after the period in which it was originally translated so that should have fixed any problems that might have been there because of timing.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:31 am
jf- how do i fix that?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:32 am
Sorry – Challoner version was 18th century, not the 1800s
January 31st, 2008 at 8:32 am
jfrater: Oh come on, you knew this would stir the pot!
longball: My mistake was already pointed out, and that’s Ms. Heathen to you!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:35 am
Well, no wonder all the stories are weird…their “source” is the Catholic Bible, which is quite possibly the least accurate English translation in existence, even worse than the KJV. Not to mention that it includes books that aren’t considered to be part of the Bible in most Christian circles.
But it does make for an interesting article. The only thing I’d change is #2. The context of that story makes it even more interesting. Numbers 22:21-33
January 31st, 2008 at 8:36 am
longball: I don’t know – it is very weird. I am happy to approve them in the meantime while I do some research
Cyrus: the stories are all in the protestant version of the Bible – I just linked the chapters and verses to the Catholic bible – which predates the protestant Bible by one and a half thousand years
January 31st, 2008 at 8:38 am
oh – and Cyrus: the Orthodox and Catholics consider the books you referred to as part of the canon (as it was defined in 300AD by the Catholic council of Nicaea) – the rest of the Christians in the world are about 1/3 the size of the Catholics and Orthodox combined – which means a minority of Christians do not consider them to be part of the Bible – the vast majority do.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:38 am
the story of elijah being mocked as always been my favorite, i don’t know why, but i just love the idea of him getting revenge on such a grand scale.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:40 am
am i the only one you have to approve? must be one His mysteriously slightly gay ways of working…
January 31st, 2008 at 8:41 am
longball: on this list yes – it is going to spam and I am marking them as not-spam which is meant to teach the spam filter to allow them – so hopefully that will fix itself.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:42 am
should i try another list and see if the problem is persistent?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:44 am
Geez longball! Stop spamming the comments!
just kidding
January 31st, 2008 at 8:44 am
4 Kings is not. The Apocrypha is not considered by Protestants to be part of the Bible. The problem with the Catholic Bible has nothing to do with age and everything to do with how it was translated and when.
The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew. Middle Eastern languages are difficult to perfectly translate into western languages (like English) anyways, but the Catholic church translated it into Latin first. Everytime you translate something, you have a certain amount of error to it. It was also translated during a time when politics were a huge part of the church, and who knows how much that corruption influenced the translators. Well, it stayed that way for 1500 years until the Latin Vulgate (the Catholic Bible) was translated into English. So, they translate ancient modes of Latin into modern English, resulting in more inaccuracies.
The Protestant bibles are taken directly from the Hebrew texts, and therefore have less translation inaccuracies.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:49 am
Jesus told me for all of you to give me a million dollars. Now don’t disobey him now!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:50 am
And the reason the Apocrypha is not included in Protestant Bibles is because it is the only section of the Bible that contradicts itself, so it was removed. The sections that remained were the Hebrew bible (albeit in a different order), the Gospels, and the Epistles.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:52 am
Cyrus: 4 Kings is what protestants call 2 Kings – it is not an apocryphal book even for protestants. The Old Testament used by Jesus was the LXX – that is the version that the Catholic Old Testament was based on – in 1500 Luther etc. decided to go with books that the Jews decided should be in the canon – they decided that after Christ died – probably at the Council of Javneh. The Vulgate translation appeared in the 400s – what were the politics that effected its translation?
In the first 200 years of Christianity, people such as Cyprian of Carthage, Hippolytus, Irenaeus, Polycarp of Smyrna, the Didache, and Barnabas, to name a few, all quoted from the so-called apocrypha – this is as early as 70AD (only 40 years after Christ died) – that is a lot of very important people who considered them to be canonical.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:55 am
Oops – made a mistake – the Vulgate was translated directly from Hebrew not the LXX. St Jerome finished the translation around 405 AD. He had copies of the Hebrew text that are no longer extant. If you learn to speak Latin you can’t really get much closer to the original than the Vulgate.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:56 am
Cyrus: obviously the most important men after the Apostles in the early Church didn’t think there were contradictions or problems in the apocrypha otherwise they would not have used them as definite texts
January 31st, 2008 at 8:57 am
Yo… hilaaaarious list. My coworkers think i’m nuts for having a laugh-storm in my cubicle… foreskin party at my house! Bring the Holy Book and a sharp rock and crunchy Cheetos!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:01 am
Cyrus: oh – one other point – you do know that the first English translation of the bible was not in the 1500s don’t you? For example there is the Lindisfarne gospels – translated to English in the 8th century (Lindisfarne is in England). There was another in the 10th century as well.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:05 am
See, we don’t need all these weak ways of teaching our kids, we need bears in the schools!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:06 am
ProgRapture: hahah – hear hear
January 31st, 2008 at 9:14 am
I laughed with tears half hour, am still laughing in fact!
Bible is so ridiculous book!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:23 am
Manuel- i believe #10 was a lesson in ridicule and laughter…enjoy the bears!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:26 am
The best list ever!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:30 am
i bet parents and school teachers the world over wish they had a pack of bears at their disposal to call on disrespectful kids.
just one mauling a year would take care of most discipline problems, right?
January 31st, 2008 at 9:33 am
DiscHuker: works for me
January 31st, 2008 at 9:34 am
Great list!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:41 am
BTW: three comments ago we reached 28,000 comments!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:43 am
hey jfrater, why have you changed 2 kings to 4 kings? I didn’t even know that there was a 4 Kings…
Oh and the source Bible I used for this was the KJV guys in case you were wondering.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:45 am
JT: to correspond to the Book names used in the DR version (which is what I linked each of the chapters and verses to)
January 31st, 2008 at 9:45 am
I prefer the Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker versions of the Bible where it’s ok to masterbate in front of a skank, and then to actually do the skank. Just ask for forgivness and all is better.
Or even the Ted Haggard version where it’s ok to preach against homosexuality then go get some meth and go for it with another dude for three years. Or perhaps the Catholic version where it’s ok to impersonate Uncle Ernie while you fiddle about.
Much of the problem with “American” Christianity isn’t the Bible, it’s with some of the idiots we call pastor.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:47 am
jfrater: you should have an honorable mention for the 30,000th commenter!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:50 am
dangorironhide: alas the admin control panel doesn’t tell me who that was!
bucslim: I would agree with you on that.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:52 am
JF: That would be easy to figure out just take a look when the 30k comment was reached and then look ath the most recent comments on the homepage.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:53 am
hahah .. .a damn funny list …
weird interpretations though ..
all da religions of the world have few weird stories … of coz they were written centuries .. n smtimes millennia back …
January 31st, 2008 at 9:54 am
Mystern: True! It was comment #83 on this list by Amber! Well done Amber
January 31st, 2008 at 9:57 am
jwbm2525; I disagree with you, I don’t believe in any particular organized religion, but they all have something to offer. Friendship and fellowship and the here comes the big one – FAITH
Some people have a need for it. I would suggest you help your daughter to learn about different ones, so that she doesn’t end up a scientologist or something worse.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:58 am
I’m glad everyone is taking this list with a grain of salt.
OH WAIT.
Haha, the first one with the bald dude was totally written by a man who had that done to him and was pissed that there was no revenge on the kids. He was like “I’ll show those little bastards what God says about making fun of bald people!” He’s the Mr. Wilson of the Bible (Mr. Wilson of Dennis the Menace fame, natch).
January 31st, 2008 at 10:01 am
Good morning Mom424. I was wondering when you were going to start adding your 38 cents
January 31st, 2008 at 10:04 am
I say there be a list on bible stories that are no longer relevant. Like animal/human sacrifice for forgiveness, gender discrimination, and such.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:06 am
I think the moral to number one is make lemonade when the world gives you lemons. Or maybe it is promoting watching good looking people while reproducing and even ugly people can produce better looking kids.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:07 am
So does the 100th comment get Onan porn?
January 31st, 2008 at 10:08 am
I thought it was Lego Porn . . .
January 31st, 2008 at 10:08 am
Most Christians wouldn’t be if they actually READ the bible… but, hey, that takes to long and the pastor only picks out the good stuff. To bad they don’t know the bible promotes slavery, infanticide, killing out the ass, and oh yeah, women aren’t allowed to teach. Ever.
Oh well, informed people are a pipe dream.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:10 am
jayfray, since we have many christians/catholics/atheists etc, why not do a list of the top 10 best things about each? we have seen many negatives, lets try to figure out why people enjoy what they believe. i’d be happy to write the one about christianity if people from other faiths would also join in.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:13 am
DiscHuker: not a bad idea at all. BTW, Catholics are Christians – they have been around for well over 1,000 years prior to modern Christianity
January 31st, 2008 at 10:13 am
Wow – over 100 comments in such a short time!
January 31st, 2008 at 10:15 am
The bible also says you can’t shave or wear fabric blends, (no cotton-poly for you!) and if you commit adultery, the two of you should be stoned to death. And the whole slave thing, it’s not just owning slaves is okay and they’re your property, but you can buy your neighbor to become your slave… I wonder if all those anti-gay groups preaching those Leviticus passages have ever even read Leviticus once and took notice of how preposterous and dated the whole thing is.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:15 am
So how should we deal with these and other bizarre scriptural (it is safe to assume that weird and morally questionable tales exist within every other scripture) fables?
I’m a Lit major but my authority goes out the window when things are taken RELIGIOUSLY seriously. What do we do about people taking an entire book (a collection of short stories combined with [barbaric] ancient law) so seriously when it often ends up hurting -and even sometimes- killing?
January 31st, 2008 at 10:19 am
hahahaha! great list….i know most of the back grounds for these stories and know what they mean…but still, very funny.
i went to catholic school until i reach college age and believe me, even though they were teaching us what this stuff meant to our religion, there were lots of giggle fests in class because some of this stuff is really bizzarro… i think we skipped the 100 foreskins part….i guess telling that to 30 14-year-olds didn’t really appeal to my theo teacher….its too bad david killed all those people any way, michal ended up being a huge bitch.
also…cyrus, the catholic bible isn’t any less wrong or right than other christian bibles, its a text of faith…and of course the translations may have gotten a bit messy…but different sects have taken out and put back in different books because of politics and to better support what their particular sect teaches.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:22 am
i don’t know if we want to stir this pot, but wasn’t the reformation all about the catholic church not being “christian”? (and i use that term to mean christ like, not in the modern usage to mean a certain group)
January 31st, 2008 at 10:27 am
here is the main verse that gives me the giggles, Deuteronomy 25:11
“when men fight with one another and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. your eye shall have no pity.”
i think all men would agree to this law.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:30 am
It says a lot that such a controversial list like this is totally left alone by the die-hard nuts, because with every entry there’s a reference to the Bible; i.e. they can’t think for themselves without written back up from a so-called-truth.
The best list yet in my opinion. Death to idiocy.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:31 am
I find it funny that christian religions can not even agree with each other on the teachings from the Bible. They all think their interpretation is correct and the others are going to hell for not believing as they do. I think if we have the top 10 reasons I am a (religion inserted here)list, you would need to have someone do one for each of the different Christian ones. Some might be very similar. Or maybe someone will learn that their religion is not quite as far off as the ones they are condeming.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:33 am
Good List. I’ve seen #1 used as a example of recessive genetics explained before anyone knew what it was: ie, stripes are recessive and skipped that generation, only to show up in the next.
Oh, and the moral to #3 is great.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:33 am
I have checked with my pastor and he tells me that these stories (and a few others you did not mention) were added to the Bible in the 16th century by people seeking to discredit the Holy Word of God.
You will not find these stories in the original Hebrew version of the Bible. That’s why they are not studied by true Christians.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:36 am
anton lefevre: time to change churches then – your pastor is lying to you (or he is just ignorant of truth) – you can look at copies of the Bible from long before the 16th century and you will find all of these stories in them – you might start with the Septuagint – the Greek version that predates the time of Christ – they are all in there too.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:37 am
Oh – and anton: one of the stories is from the New Testament – that was written in Greek and Latin originally – not Hebrew.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:37 am
“I have checked with my pastor and he tells me that these stories (and a few others you did not mention) were added to the Bible in the 16th century by people seeking to discredit the Holy Word of God.”
And you believed that story from your pastor?
January 31st, 2008 at 10:39 am
I always believe pastors. Especially when they tell me they want to see my pepe.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:41 am
see my previous post. pfft.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:47 am
anton lefevre- i remember learning stories 2 and 3 in Hebrew school. just sayin’.
this damn pacific time is putting me behind!! i woke up and checked this site and already there were 100 comments! how am i ever going to be first?
and i love this list by the way. and the first comment was pretty funny.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:49 am
I dunno — isn’t the weirdest story in the bible the one about the God who had to die to make His father forgive people for something they didn’t actually do themselves, except his father was really Himself and could have done the forgiving all on His own, without needless torture and bloodshed and death? There’s even a real multiple personality scene, where the God is on a cross and yells up at Himself about forsaking Him(self)?
Or am I thinking about a different and polytheistic religion, where gods talking to other gods would be normal?
January 31st, 2008 at 10:52 am
Mornin’ Mystern and other fellow travellers…
I’ve been up for ages, and I really try only to comment when I have something to say,,,unfortunately I almost always have something to say
My gift and my curse
January 31st, 2008 at 10:53 am
anton: I trust my parents more than anyone, and they told me the story of Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Pastor???? Get a grip!
January 31st, 2008 at 10:54 am
What a hoot. I must say you’ve outdone yourself jfrater. The one about the guy offering his virgin daughter to the gang of bisexual rapists takes the cake.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:57 am
anton- what religion do you claim as your own? curious as to what bible they read?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:00 am
You too can see God’s butt, just like Moses in #3. Michaelangelo was gracious enough to paint it in all its glory on the Sistine Chapel ceiling:
NSFC (not safe for church)
January 31st, 2008 at 11:05 am
Hmmm, most of these have the horrible fallacy of selective reading or simple ignorance of the culture of the times.
10. Elisha had shaved his head because his predecessor Elijah had just been taken into heaven. Shaving one’s head was a sign of mourning back then. Thus, when Elisha was mocked by a mob of youths (probably teenagers by the original language’s meaning), they were not only making fun of his mourning but disgracing his predecessor Elijah. Both men were prophets, agents for God and as the saying goes, God does not like to be mocked.
9. This is an interesting story but none that really gives a relevant moral. Weird stuff happens all the time in history. Judges was a book written as history and such some weird things will turn up. Perhaps a closer reading would yield further meaning.
8. Back in the day, your family was your life. Without children, you could not pass on your inheritance, your name would die and your wife would be left with nothing. As such, if a husband died before having children, the husband’s brother was obligated to provide children for the family. This was not merely a religious practice, it was a practical matter widely used throughout the ANE (Ancient Near East). The reason God was pissed at Onan wasn’t because he masturbated, it was cause he did not fulfill his duty to provide his sister in law with children.
7. This story is obviously not meant to be used for moral teaching and instruction. It serves as an example of wickedness and evil. Furthermore, it should be noted that hospitality in the ANE was a major obligation. Thus, a guest was protected so much so that even the owner’s own life came secondary. It’s also worth noting that this account is very similar to the story of Sodom and Gamorrah.
6. Umm, this story isn’t in the bible. 1 Kings 18 has to do with Elijah challenging the priests of Baal. Even if the story was in the bible, I really don’t understand how it could be meant to taught anything other than the craziness of King Saul.
5. It was important for the Jews to set themselves apart from other people, especially (in the context of this story) the Egyptians. God introduced circumcision as a means to distinguish the Jewish people from all others. It was especially worth noting that in this short verse, it is right after the plague of killing the first born children . Again, I don’t see any moral instruction in this very short story.
4. Ah, the meaning of the withered fig tree. This story is actually quite powerful. Essentially, Jesus is illustrating to His disciples that when God calls you to do something, you cannot simply say “I am not in season” i.e. “I don’t want to now, maybe later.”
3. I don’t know what you are talking about, the translation I’m reading (NIV) says “and you will see my back.” So… yeah, that doesn’t mean butt.
2. Actually, Balaam was a pagan prophet. God was trying to get his attention through his donkey. In the previous verses, the donkey keeps stopping because it sees an angel while Balaam ignores it. Sometimes God likes to get people’s attention.
1. Wrong again sir, there is a great difference between the Bible describing a bunko process and endorsing it as true. The story here is that Jacob’s buddy Laban is cheating him out of livestock. By Jacob’s own admission in Genesis 31:9, it is GOD who made the process work, not his own superstition.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:07 am
bruno- i think selective reading was part of the fun.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:08 am
bucslim; hear, hear! See my above comment about not believeing in any particular religion. The obvious hypocrisy is exactly why. And imo fundamentalist anything is dangerous.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:08 am
I’m still laughing over #2. That’ll teach you to smack asses I suppose…
January 31st, 2008 at 11:09 am
mobmij: Fair comment.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:10 am
bruno; that was the point, and it proves that any crack-pot who wants to set up his own cult/religion can find justification for their beliefs….
see my above post
January 31st, 2008 at 11:14 am
Yeah, but as evidenced by the reaction by everyone on these posts, most people see these as actually pertinent to what Jews/Christians believe.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:15 am
This is a great list. I should point out that finding the moral in a story is answering the wrong question.
More appropriate questions are:
Who was this story written for?
Why was it written the way it was?
What were the authors trying to say?
The purpose of many of these stories is not to get us to come to an answer, but to embark on a journey of discovery. The answer isn’t the point, it’s the discovery that comes with an honest and thoughtful dialog on the many aspects.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:22 am
What a list… it is fun to read the comments…
I will just have to say comment #28 bucslim… Not everyone who does not follow the Bible is Pagan. Paganism is not a bad religion. Yes there are those who claim to be and give a bad look on the religion. But that holds true with all religions. It is the flaw of humanity, not the flaw of the religion.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:23 am
Bruno is my hero!
January 31st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Boy I can just imagine how much controversy this list is going to cause. Can we just agree to be civil and not call other people’s religions false or stupid? Everyone has their own beliefs and calling names is just going to cause fights to break out. Religion doesn’t make sense, atheism doesn’t make sense, let’s just agree to disagree. Can’t we all just get along!? =)
January 31st, 2008 at 11:34 am
Us listversers should start a religion of our own and the listbook (our version of the bible) should contain the steamiest aspects of all religions.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:37 am
Mystern; see why I shut up earlier….so hear goes..
I believe that faith is a personal matter and shouldn’t be worn on the sleeve. I don’t believe I have all the answers nor does any religion. Just as long as they keep trying to figure it out, in the spirit that I believe god intended; faith, tolerance and love for our fellow man. You do realize that I’ve cut out all fundementalists by that statement. Tolerance and Love,,,thats not what they are about.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:39 am
Good stuff!Does is surprise anyone that the only comeback bible believers can offer is that OUR interpretation of scripture is wrong? “Well, if you had someone explain how you should interpret this obscure text, it would be clear…” Can’t you say that about anything? That’s a cop out. That’s like arguing what the meaning of “IS” is. God should have hired someone better to write his autobiography for him!
If passages are not obvious to everyone, then how does one group KNOW for a fact their interpretation is more correct than the other’s?? It is all justification and rationalizing to support their beliefs/world-view. If this book had been written better, and the rules were clear maybe there wouldn’t be hundreds of different religious sects all with a slightly different “interpretation”. What hubris we humans have to decide what to keep and what to discard and how to interpret the Bible, if it were truly a sacred document.
Face it, all religion is circular reasoning by a group of people used to justify the world-view they happen to “want” to be true. Now let me get back to my fig pie!!
January 31st, 2008 at 11:40 am
Mom429: And no mention of Truth? Why must faith be sequestered to the nether regions of a person with it never being expressed or discussed?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:41 am
Mom429: And no mention of Truth? Why must faith be sequestered to the nether regions of a person with it never being expressed or discussed?
And I think you are making a gross generalization about “fundamentalists”. If by fundamentalist you mean someone who ACTUALLY believes in Jesus and wants to follow Him, I think you’re way off by that statement.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:44 am
TheGreatOnan: So the bible should have been written for you personally?
Taking into account the historical circumstances, the type of writing and the intended audiences is important when interpreting the meaning of ANYTHING. Yes, anything.
In fact, I think if the bible connected anymore with modern people it would be pretty questionable if it was actually written by the people it purports to be written by. Obviously a lot has changed in the past 2000 years.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:53 am
What’s truly hilarious is how people in these times think they are so smart and superior to people 3000 years ago. I can has txt messages so bibul iz stoopid.
Your great, great, great, great grandfather wasn’t stupid. When you realize that you’ve rejected his religion for your own (agnosticism, atheism, humanism, etc.) you’ll foresee that, one day, a few thousand years from now, your great, great grandchildren will roll with laughter at how stupid and simple minded you were.
By the way, Jacob was screwed over by his father in law, Laban, on several occasions and was about to be screwed over by him again. The genetic spotting that occurred allowed Jacob to leave Laban’s house with the wives, concubines, and flock of sheep he needed to appease his disgusting brother Esau, who was coming to kill him. For those of you that are laughing at spotted sheep coming from solid sheep, keep in mind that 1) genetic mutations do happen and 2)Jacob served as Laban’s shepherd for over 20 years. He knew exactly what he was doing.
So suck it, pagans.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:09 pm
ck: “Everyone has their own beliefs and calling names is just going to cause fights to break out. Religion doesn’t make sense, atheism doesn’t make sense, let’s just agree to disagree.”
don’t you see the problems imbedded in this type of statement. you follow saying not to call names with “religion doesn’t make sense”. isn’t that name calling?
and tolerance is the highest virtue? isn’t saying that you will not tolerate those that are intolerant slightly off-kilter?
why is it wrong to state your beliefs with authority? people have done it all over this list and only a few of those are traditionally religious beliefs. to say that religion is false and that God doesn’t exist and that the Bible is erroneous is an exclusive statement. this is what the current post-modern belief system hates, yet it is par for the course when bashing religion. to make these statements you have to have be omniscient. you have to know everything in the world to make exclusive statements about the nature of what exists and what doesn’t.
i have no problem with people doing that. but let’s not accuse the other side of being exlusive and closed minded when everyone is making statement that fall into that category.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I’m not even touching this one.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Philippians 2:9-11
Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and granted him a name, that which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly and earthly and infernal beings, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to God the Father’s glory.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
1 Corintians 1:20-25
For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but to us that are saved it is God’s power. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and set aside the understanding of the understanding ones. Where is the wise? where scribe? where disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom has not known God, God has been pleased by the foolishness of the preaching to save those that believe. Since Jews indeed ask for signs, and Greeks seek wisdom; but *we* preach Christ crucified, to Jews an offense, and to nations foolishness; but to those that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ God’s power and God’s wisdom. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Do not mock what you do not understand,
Peace
January 31st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Reminder Kids: Jesus is an imaginary friend for adults.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
If you really want to know why Jesus cursed the fig tree, have a look at The Desire of Ages, by Ellen G. White. It is clearly and eloquently described.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
“He came down to earth as an incarnation of Himself, to sacrifice Himself to Himself in order to forgive His people, who he made in the image of Himself, and save them from the wrath of–wait for it!!!–HIMSELF!!!”
January 31st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Wow. An SDA on the site?
January 31st, 2008 at 12:37 pm
“We are all atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” — Stephen Roberts
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.”
–Seneca
About 15 centuries later, Edward Gibbon wrote: “The various modes of worship which prevailed in the Roman Empire were considered by the people as equally true, by the philosopher as equally false, and by the magistrate as equally useful.”
“Religion is what keeps the poor man from murdering the rich.” – Napolean Bonaparte
“When I think of the number of unpleasant people I know who claim to be going to a ‘better world’, I’m moved to lead a more sinful life.
Remember, heaven for the climate, hell for the society.”
- Samuel Langhorn Clemens
January 31st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
“If the Bible and my brain are both the work of the same Infinite God, whose fault is it that the book and my brain do not agree?” –Robert G. Ingersoll
January 31st, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I happen to enjoy the posts about tolerance and love too. I find it humorous that they exclude fundamentalists from their tolerance and love.
How very enlightened indeed.
This started with Martin Luther and others when they interpreted the Bible into common languages. In fact – for the person sitting into the pew to interpret for himself. In effect a rebellion against the Catholic hierarchy’s spoon feeding them based upon church tradition and papal directives.
Now anyone with a polyester suit, perfectly coifed hair and a pulpit can spray anything they want, and more often than not the adoring congregation slurps it all up, no questions asked. Not far behind are the requests for donations. The Bible can be interpreted many ways and for many purposes. The ‘real’ interpretation depends upon your point of view.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to dancing naked around the Druid May Pole.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:52 pm
ya know, maybe your work would “bear more fruit” if you brought up stories from the bible that do have a good point – there’s a lot more than 10 of those to choose from.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Scratch an American Christian and you will find that their religious conviction rests on little more than Xmas time department nativity scenes. They know jack about their religion in reality.
Take the idiotic practice of circumcision. America is the only civilized nation that practices this lunacy with about 60% of baby boys being mutilated at birth. Fortunately the tide is turning slowly against the practice. But if you talk to people in the Flyover states they will declare that the bible demands circumcision.
No it doesn’t.
Paul discusses this issue and states unequivocally that it’s a Jewish thing and that Christians need not do it.
By the way, nature designed the glans to be an internal organ. It’s supposed to be membrane like the inside of your lip and not dried out skin which is what happens to it when there is no foreskin to cover it.
For the record, even Jewish people are starting to question circumcision.
http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/
http://www.jewishcircumcision.org/
January 31st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Wow, interesting group of people on this site. First, please allow me to applaud whoever it was that lifted this list from cracked.com. Yes, you added a few of your own, and you changed a little of the writing….you are still a plagiarizing ass. All of baffling intellects that are continually bashing Christianity….well played. Nothing like proving your superior intellect like bashing things that you know little about and refuse to research. How many of you read all of the verses on this list out of the bible before going off on your diatribes? I’m going to venture guess that none of you have. How about you keep your hateful speech to yourselves. And the guy at the top of the list that claimed that people that take religion too seriously are either fundies or terrorist, stellar generalization. I’m good at assuming things too. I am going to venture to guess that anyone that would write those words is either is either a jackass or a retard.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Jakob, I have many years of religious schooling under my belt and can run circles around most believers when it comes to bible knowledge. See my post on circumcision above.
Long ago I decided to look for information outside of the bible which would corroborate its claims. I did so to bolster my sagging faith.
Guess what. I found nothing.
Makes you think doesn’t it?
How come no one outside the bible mentions Jesus or any of the OT events such as the flood or Exodus? The Egyptians never heard of Moses.
Even a top Israeli archaeologist admits that most of the OT stories are either outright lies or gross exaggerations.
http://archive.salon.com/books/feature/2001/02/07/solomon/print.html
January 31st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
jakob.taylor: ignoring your insults, I am one of the people who did read the quotes before commenting (and you will find my comments were not anti-religion) – I believe that there are true morals to be learnt from these sections of the Bible but I also believe that it is amusing to look at them out of context for the sake of humor. This list is not meant to trick people in to hating religion – it is meant to provide an amusing look at parts of the bible.
By resorting to ad hominem attacks, you make yourself as bad as the people you are attacking – it doesn’t help your cause.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I like this list, it’s different and really fascinating!
condo bondo mondo: This list is about bizarre stories from the bible. So, what point would there be in including stories with a good point? That’s another list for another time!
January 31st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Bible Dude: Josephus, the Jewish historian mentions Jesus in his Antiquities of the Jews (in the early 90s AD). According to Wikipedia:
January 31st, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Let’s just do a quick review of bible-god.
Remember that he’s allegedly “omniscient.” This means that he knew before the beginning of time everything that would happen. Everything.
If we are to play along with this, he knew long before he created you whether you’d end up in heaven or hell.
This begs the question of why go ahead with the experiment if he knew how it would end? Does he enjoy watching suffering?
But he decided to proceed. Well the first experiment in the garden of Eden is a right disaster. So what does this “just” god do in response? I would have sent Adam & Eve to bed without supper that night and given them a second chance. Bible-god instead goes postal, evicts these two naive teens, and then to be extra sadistic, he places the Curse of Original Sin not just on them but on all of their descendants in perpetuity.
Nota bene: This deity metes out infinite punishment for finite transgressions. Moreover, he metes out collective punishment for individual acts.
The above goes against everything civilized society stands for.
Now we continue along to his next screw-up. Things continue to deteriorate in large part because of the burden of Original Sin. After all, Original Sin dooms humanity from the get-go. It doesn’t stand a chance of winning bible-god’s approval.
So what does bible-god do in response? Why he holds the very first holocaust: the Biblical Flood. Not only does he murder all people but puppies and kitties too!
Remind me again how he supposedly differs from Satan?
We continue. After re-starting with a blank canvass after the flood, things still go to pot in his creation.
This deity just can’t get it right, can he?
So what is this genius’s next idea for solving the problems in his creation? Why it’s to have an illegitimate child with a young teen whose sole purpose will be to be murdered in a gruesome blood ritual!
This is the best solution bible-god could come up with???? If I were him, I would have wiggled my nose like I Dream of Jeannie and stopped the unnecessary suffering once and for all.
Despite this alleged sacrifice of his own child, the world continued getting worse and worse. Last year a ten year old girl was raped and buried alive in Florida as bible-god watched silently from up above.
He has the power to stop these crimes. He is the only one with the power to eliminate childhood leukemia and Alzheimers and stop tsunamis and earthquakes. Yet he does nothing.
Meanwhile, believers who sound as if they were traumatized victims of Stockholm Syndrome continue to bleat on about his mercy and love!
January 31st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Ha! The consensus amongst bible scholars and historians is that the vague Josephus footnote is a forgery added to his works centuries later by the church to create a paper trail for Jesus.
Sorry.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:27 pm
jakob, do you mind telling me where I plagiarised this list from? I did a quick search of cracked.com and the only remotely similar section was this: http://www.cracked.com/article_15699_9-most-badass-bible-verses.html
which only lists 3 of the bible passages I did and writes about them in a completely different way.
And this list was wasn’t meant to castigate religion. It was simply to take some passages that, while bearing some semblance of the conventions of society and belief 2-3,000 years ago, are absolutely absurd nowadays. Foreskin collecting? Talking donkeys? Magical genetics? I would hope that people can realise that these stories are not factually true and were most likely written as myths and allegories as most sensible Christians realise, and that we can all have a laugh about it now with the benefit of enlightened hindsight.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Bible Dude: the “addition” is in the earlier section referring to Jesus as “Christ” – that was almost certainly added – but he does mention Jesus and “his brother James” and no one disputes the authenticity of that. Even Origen makes mention of it (2nd and 3rd century).
January 31st, 2008 at 1:30 pm
JT: brilliantly put – thanks
January 31st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Here’s the reality folks.
Bible-god is the creation of an ancient tribal peoples trying to make sense of the suffering and death in their world. Since they knew next to nothing of their world they concluded that they suffered because an invisible sky-pixie was punishing them for something they had done wrong.
You hear the same rationalization from battered children. “Daddy beats the crap out of me when he comes home from the bar because I’m bad and deserve it.”
January 31st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Didn’t read all 161 comments before mine, but I just wanted to say that I would use this quote as a sig if I wouldn’t be instantly banned for it:
“God works in mysterious (and slightly gay) ways.”
XDDDD
January 31st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I wish Bible God had the power to make Bible Dude shut his blathering pie hole.
Ah screw it, where’s my propellor hat?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
His name is BibleDude, therefore he must be an authority on the Bible.
Just like if I call myself QuantumphysicsDude…well I still wouldn’t know what I’m talking about
January 31st, 2008 at 1:32 pm
You’re using English! Somebody already used these words! You are plagiarizing! How dare you use these words! *smites you*
January 31st, 2008 at 1:33 pm
JF,
Jesus was a very common name back then just as it is today in the Latino community. Most historians have concluded that the alleged footnote by Josephus to an alleged rabble rouser named Jesus is indeed a forgery added centuries later.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Bucslim,
Why do you hate free speech?
Are you a commie?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Bible Dude: that contradicts Origen and other sources from then until now – can you cite some kind of study that states what you are saying?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
bibledude: i am writing these quotes down in my “atheism bible” right now. thanks.
james: the guy at my carwash is named Jesus. should I kneel to him, or will a fiver do??
all: my daughter is a practicing wiccan, and has more decency, common sense and love than any of her “christian” classmates, who are too busy trying to pick out (and pick on) anyone who’s different.
“do what thou wilt, ere it harm no one.”
January 31st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
From wiki as well on the Josephus reference to a “Jesus” being a forgery:
Some of the deepest concerns about the authenticity of the passage were succinctly expressed by John Dominic Crossan, in The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Peasant:[14] “The problem here is that Josephus’ account is too good to be true, too confessional to be impartial, too Christian to be Jewish.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
By the way, Crossan is a leading biblical scholar.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:39 pm
that contradicts Origen
_____________
What contradicts?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Bible Dude: that reference is to Jesus as “Christ” which is extremely unlikely to have been said by Josephus. Again, from the very article you cited:
One modern scholar and several recent “popular” writers are hardly convincing proof against 1900 years of scholars and writers that believe that the *other* reference to Jesus (not the Christ reference) is authentically Josephus.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
See post #162.
How come believers don’t respond to the points I make in it about bible-god being a total screw-up and sadist?
Instead they demand that I shut up.
Well, we all know why.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
The Bible was fine, although yes, it is a bit dated. Why in 2000 years has there not been a significant addition or a sequal? Does God have nothing new to say? Does God not talk to people anymore? He certainly did a lot of talking back then, but I’m sure there is an interpretation that rationalizes his silence the past 2000 years.
Oh, I forgot about the Mormons. Sorry!
Being an agnostic or atheist isn’t being religious, Spanky. You guys like to say that and turn this into Us vs. Them, but they just believe in one fewer deities than you do. Most are open to the idea there could be a God, but they don’t see any evidence. (Remember, your faith is based on your decision to interpret things as evidence, while others may have a different standard.) Non-believers do not have a common scripture or all agree on politics, economics or anything that would classify them as a group, anymore than you would be called a subscriber of the “anti-Zeus religion”.
People should never act superior, I agree. We should be humble, especially when some “think” they understand how a god thinks (one so vast that he knows where every atom in the Universe is, has been and ever will be – and the universe is REALLY BIG and complicated). So, it is (many) religious people who think that God can be reduced to the point he can be compared to human beings that I laugh at. God as the micromanager, tinkerer, having to always correct his creation, who needs people to worship him, and who punishes those who don’t is frankly a bit too unbelievable. Let your god be greater and grander than this huge, amazing universe we live in. The god of the bible is too tiny and limited for me to believe in him.
Well, I have to run. I have a (talking) goat to sacrifice on the way home.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Here in Nebraska a few weeks ago, there was a practising Wiccan guy who killed his daughter (or stepdaughter, I can’t remember which) while trying to cast a spell.
No group of people are completely wholesome and sweet.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Sorry jfrater, but the consensus now by the vast majority of historians is that it’s a forgery.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Interestingly, a reviewer of the book by Crossan that is cited as your reference states that it is a statistical view of Jesus historicity – ie, this happened, therefore statistically this is likely to have happened (or not) – it is not a particularly historical approach to history
He also uses the Gospel of Thomas as part of his historical basis for the true Jesus and there is virtually no scholar alive that doesn’t believe the Gospel of Thomas (and indeed the entire Nag Hammadi Library) to be a 4th century fraud.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Bible Dude: If it is the vast majority, can I see a citation for three historians that state that (excluding Crossan for the reasons mentioned above) – I would appreciate a quote or two – not just a footnote number from Wikipedia
January 31st, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Iron Chariots,
the counter-apologetics wiki for all your COUNTER-apologetic needs
FreeThoughtPedia.com
all round good resource
Greta Christina (CAUTION! some content NSFW. she is not only an excellent writer advocating atheism but also has an adult site so some entries reference content inappropriate for minors and certainly inappropriate for homophobes. she is a very open lesbian. none of which diminshes her prowess as a writer. good reading!)
some of my fav sources regarding counter-apologetics, free thinking and atheism. just thought i’d share.
Cyn the LV resident atheist.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Bear this in mind Bible Dude: “Today almost no scholar[citation needed] holds that position: however, many writers claim that Josephus did write something about Jesus which has been corrupted in the surviving Greek text.” – note that there is no citation for “no scholar” as it is such a gross generalization that no citation would be possible.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Believers, I hope to take a moment to meditate on post 162#.
I have come to the conclusion that Xianity is little more than the default setting for Americans at birth and that this belief in reality is a mile wide and an inch deep.
99.9% know diddley-squat about their alleged religion and its history.
Well, this cowboy has to get back to work.
It’s been fun.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Jfrater, I think you need another comments contest. This list looks like it has the potential to be the new most comments champ
January 31st, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Jfrater:
If you’re serious read books by *honest* Christians such as:
1. Jesus for the Non-Believer by Bishop John Shelby Spong
2. The Dishonest Church by Pastor Jack Good.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Derek99: heh – if it weren’t for the $200 logo contest that ends in 3 hours, I would
January 31st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Can someone please explain to me why you have to be circumcized according to the bible. And jfrater, you certainly have made a controversial list.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Bible Dude: can I have my citations please?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
99.9%, wow. That sounds legit.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:53 pm
WOW, these are some strange stories; if only there were people who have come before you who also examined every aspect of the bible and have offered explanations — Oh!
January 31st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot about the logo contest. Can’t wait to see the winner
January 31st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Thank goodness for this list, im christian and i can’t even read the bible past how god created earth.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Csimmons: according to St Paul, circumcision is not required – it was replaced by baptism.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Reply to 183:
Jfarter, you are a perfect example of “a little knowledge being a dangerous thing”!
LOL!
A top scholar biblical scholar Elaine Pagels dates the Gospel of Thomas to about 70 or 80 C.E.
Are you really surprised at the fact that the church attacks the Gospel of Thomas when it states unequivocally that man does not need a church intermediary between himself and god?
Intro to Pagels: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5422879
January 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
#9 Eglon. If he is left handed, why is he striking the king with his right?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
oh and that thing saying that god made earth in 7 days thing is crap, it was the big bang
January 31st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Oh – and Csimmons: the religious ones are always controversial – and while I would love to take credit, JT wrote this one
January 31st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
There’s a lot more good stuff like this at this site:
http://Freethoughtpedia.com/
weird bible rules, contradictions, funny claims… check it out.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
This blog is eating my goddam posts.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
jfrater: thanks, i never really understood why judaism and christianity were pretty much the only religions that had circumcision, still creeped out by how that kid got circumcized flint (ouch!)
January 31st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
BibleDude – I’m kinda guessing you..ummm…don’t get invited a second time to many parties or social gatherings…
Am I right ??
January 31st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
#7 Disturbing- The moral, Don’t stop at a kind man’s house. Keep going until you find a Holiday Inn.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I highly recommend this article on the Gospel of Thomas titled Jesus Without the Magic. The Jesus in it is quite a cool guy as opposed to one created by the Council of Nicea in 326 C.E. as the request of Emperor Constantine.
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005/Jesus-Without-Miracles1dec05.htm
January 31st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Bible Dude: do you really need to resort to ad hominem attacks? We all know what that means
As for Pagels, she studied dance and Divinity – I am not convinced that that makes her an expert on dating ancient documents.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Kiwiboi, dollars to donuts I’m more popular than you. The only ones who run from me are the braindead fundie godbots.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Derek99 that story is simply bullshit
January 31st, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Bible Dude you rock!!!!!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Sweet Jesus Jason Alexander Christ, Pagels is a leading biblical scholar. One of the most respected in the world. She teaches or taught at Princeton.
And your credentials in thisarea are…..?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Derek 99 – go huskers, from another dude from the greatest state in the Union
Bible Dude – no I’m not a commie but I’m against free speech from hysterical people.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
If my choice was circumcision or baptism, I’m glad I was circumcized.
“I kinda agree that God’s obsession with the foreskins of young boys was kinda gay. Now he just waterboards ya!”
“People who aren’t circumcized think it’s barbaric, people who are think the others are freaks. Can’t we all just get along?”
January 31st, 2008 at 2:08 pm
kiwiboi, your mom doesn’t get invited to many social gatherings (hardy har har har)
January 31st, 2008 at 2:08 pm
What is the point in wasting time with people who debate in this manner:
Bible Dude: Want proof? Read what Elaine Pagels says.
Arguer: Ahh, she don’t know nothin!
Bible Dude: Want proof? Read what Dominic Crossan says.
Arguer: Ahh, he don’t know nothin!
Ad nauseam.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:09 pm
“The only ones who run from me are the braindead fundie godbots.”
Heh…just keep telling yourself that. I’m sure it’s not your riveting conversation that makes them run…
January 31st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/13500047.html
Actually it was in Sioux City, Iowa, not Nebraska. oops
Bucslim: but it’s so flippin’ cold here!!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Kiwiboi,
Got anything to add to the actual debate or are you limited to middle-school insults?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
bucslim – dude…let’s not go there! I’m still walking like John Wayne from the other night’s episode!!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Bible Dude; what I said is that I have no problem with any religion as long as it strives for tolerance and love. In my experience I have never met a fundementalist anything that preached or strived for tolerance; their path is the only path and damnation for everyone else. And I’ve been to many different houses of worship, you can read my blog in the forum if you want….I apologize if my experience is too narrow to have found any…
January 31st, 2008 at 2:11 pm
My favorite Bionic Woman episode was the one with the braindead fundie godbots!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Bible Dude: she is still a scholar of religion and dance – that does not qualify her to date ancient manuscripts.
As for Nicaea – you can’t disregard all of the Christian writings prior to the council which are in complete accord with the doctrines codified at the council. Namely people like Ignatius of Antioch (35 – 110), Polycarp of Smyrna (69 – 155 – apostle of John the Apostle), Eusebius (263-339?) – his Historia Ecclesiastica is extremely telling in showing that the Church existed in the same form prior to the council as it did after. They all agree on the type of Christ shown by the Bible – not the gnostic gospels (which didn’t exist at the time).
January 31st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
me too, and it crashed the server.
Eureka! A way to put a muzzle on Bible Dude!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
by the way whoever with the foreskin issue,,,none of my 4 boys has been snipped…
January 31st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Derek – you’re cold? It was so cold last night my nuts froze to the porch. Good thing Joe Dirt came by. . .
January 31st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Mom, I agree. I started losing my faith in the second grade after the teacher told us that all non Christains went straight to hell simply because they weren’t in the right religion. Someone asked if this applied to people who lived before christiniaty was created or who had never heard of it. The answer was “yes”.
That’s when I started looking for something outside of the bible to corroborate its claims and found nothing.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
No crashing servers tonight please!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
jfrater – those big words make my brain hurt, couldn’t you put in some pictures for me to color?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Oh – and I feel I should say something important here – with regards to why these types of debates are so often fruitless:
“We usually find what we seek” — JFrater
January 31st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
bucslim: there is a list of Rorscach inkblots – they are all a bit dull – you could color those in
January 31st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Nuts frozen to a porch….yay!
But we all know how Nebraska weather is…it could be 70 tomorrow for all we know
January 31st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
And that’s another reazon I HATE the Bible
January 31st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
derek99: there are different kinds of wiccans, just like there are different kinds of christians, different kinds of vegetarians, atheists, onanists…
but i’ll keep my eye on her.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
re 223:
Jfrater, like I said “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”. You need to read more on the history of the bible. Up until the matter was finally settled by the Council of Nicea in 326 C.E., there was a long centuries old war about which books belonged in the official canon. Each book had its backers and detractors.
By sheer coincidence all the books which stated that you don’t need a church got left out by the council of Nicea.
Do’h!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I’ve heard most of these stories but I missed the one where God moons Moses…I can’t believe I just typed that.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Bible Dude: Thanks you for pointing out (again) that I have little knowledge
I think “war” is an exageration – and in fact the books that were codified were all generally accepted – there were a few that were disputed – these all to do with the NT of course – as the LXX was the base for the OT already. Is it impossible to consider that the men in the time, working with the knowledge they had (much closer to the time of Jesus) might have made the right decisions? It seems that all modern “scholars” feel a need to presume that they have a superior knowledge to the ancient scholars in our history.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Bible Dude, you started losing your faith because of something your 2nd grade teacher told you?
My second grade teacher told me lots of silly things like “Don’t eat paste.” and “You should have gone to the restroom after recess.” and “George Washington chopped down a cherry tree.”
Don’t you know all 2nd Grade teachers are as batshit crazy as Tom Cruise?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Americans are so far of their spirituality… a lame.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
“Got anything to add to the actual debate or are you limited to middle-school insults?”
Gee…you got me there, BibleD.
So…Lindsay or Britney ?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
okay – I am exhausted by this all – my inferior “little knowledge” is exhausted so I am going to watch Masterchef and learn to cook instead
January 31st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
now that’s some funny shit!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“Is it impossible to consider that the men in the time, working with the knowledge they had (much closer to the time of Jesus) might have made the right decisions?”
I feel the exact opposite since we know so much more today.
Besides the bishops at the Council of Nicea which took place in 300 years after JC’s death did not know him.
In fact, no one who wrote anything about him ever knew him in real life.
Now if you were bible-god quarterbacking all thsi in order to save your creation wouldn’t you have set up a situation where a 100 scribes sat with Jesus and transcribed his teachings verbatim?
Huh? Think about it.
Instead we are left with for contradictory gospels which present different Jesus to us.
WTF is wrong with this picture?
No wonder we have 1oos of Xian sects arguing with one another today:
The Wisdom Of Emo Phillips
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said “Stop! don’t do it!” “Why shouldn’t I?” he said. I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!” He said, “Like what?” I said, “Well…are you religious or atheist?” He said, “Religious.” I said, “Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?” He said, “Christian.” I said, “Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?” He said, “Protestant.” I said, “Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?” He said, “Baptist!” I said,”Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?” He said, “Baptist church of god!” I said, “Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?” He said,”Reformed Baptist church of god!” I said, “Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?” He said, “Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!”
I said, “Die, heretic scum”, and pushed him off. — Emo Phillips
January 31st, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Buscslim, but most Xians today believe that Buddhists, Jews, Moslems, and Catholics will burn in hell.
I always get a chuckle out of hearing some hick claim that Catholics aren’t Xians.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
jfrater – (spolier alert) The young girl won it with a great looking pastry !!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
jfrater; these debates are not fruitless, the best part of the site. Now I have to go read all about the early church historians, lord love us there is guy actually named polycarp? and he was important too…all that knowledge is pretty big damn fruit…anyway you choose to interpret it..
January 31st, 2008 at 2:33 pm
BD – No shit? Glad you pointed that out to me, I had absolutely no idea they say such things. I thought we all joined hands and sang Kum-bah-yah in the great gig in the sky.
The things I learn on this site.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Bucslim, sadly all non-Christains and every Christian who doesn’t belong to the believer’s particular sect will roast in hell for three back-to-back eternities with only a short ciggie break in between.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Actually, there is no ciggie break
January 31st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Damn, then bible-god is an even bigger sadist than I had originally thought.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
unlke how people veiw the council of Nicea it wasn’t people just yelling and arguing, it was people praying and talking to God about what He wanted
and the biblical definition of church is best defined by Christ, “a gathing of two or more in My name” so church is Christians as a whole
i am a Chiristian, an anti-religeon Christian, i do not belive in religion or that it works (nor do i belive in spelling, if Shakespere and Seues can make up words so can i, kidding, i am just to lazy to spell check)
and as for the books left out, they had either been proven false or said things stated alot with nothing new
and as for the need of a church building, it is just a good way to make the gathering of Christians, i do attend a church and am actualy a memeber for voting and work reason (teach sunday school and work on the a/v ministry, perhaps soon becoming the intern) and as for voting in churches, its there so that the members can make the desiocns not just a select few, but the gatherd numbers
to the foreskin thing, it goes back to Abraham he was told to circumsize himself, his sons, and all thier desendents, it was jewish law, when Christ came He fullfuilled the law so the old laws such as that and sacrifice were made no longer needed, i personaly am circumsized but not for relgeous reasons but for hygene reasons and as for that i will have my sons when i have some circumsized, cuase its easier :p
January 31st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
kiwiboi; I vote for Lindsay; can’t comfortably vote for anyone whose snatch i’ve seen almost as often as my own….
January 31st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
For hygiene reasons? How about taking a shower every morning instead?
Using this logic it makes sense to cut off one’s eyelids too so that you don’t have to wash your face when you wake up.
Americans are the only white men to still engage in this practice. In order to do so they have to make up all sorts of lies to justify the practice.
Meanwhile the rest of the civilized world doesn’t practice it and laughs at us for it.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
-Thomas Aquinas
I just think its weird that atheist’s know more about the christian faith then most christians. The reason it’s called faith is couse there is no fact. You have to believe. Like in Indiana Jones, And The Last Crusade. He cant see the bridge, logic tells him its not there, but he has faith.
Im 17 and i have more sense then u people. Go back to work and check the damn website when u get home.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Did I just read some comment using the word ’snatch’ in discussion about Bible verses?
To quote Butthead: “Uh huh huh huh huh Uh, huh huh huh”
January 31st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
“I vote for Lindsay”
Lindsay 1 Britney 0
“can’t comfortably vote for anyone whose snatch i’ve seen almost as often as my own….”
You can see yours ??!! But Fox News keeps telling us that you Amerikans are so obese !! Surely the folds of your belly get in the way?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:58 pm
***wretch***
January 31st, 2008 at 2:58 pm
the hygene reasons of circumsion
foreskin is a flap of skin serving no purpose whatsoever except to collect dust and dirt, which is easier to get it cut off whe na baby or everyday taking the extra 5 second to clean under
honestly that one time pain in a world of hectic running around 5 seconds adds up alot
and as for faith, faith is just a belief in things unseen, oddly enough everyone has somekind of faith
to the ones who belive in evolution, they belive in it, even thouth there is no proof os it, there is proof of adaptaion, nowhere has anyone found the clreature that made the leap from one thing to another
an everyday example of faith for everone here, we all have faith that when we come to listverse there will be new lists or atleast new comments to read
and the majority of people do belive in some kind of higher power, AA teaches it, Parolies are taught it
for my geekdom of the day Han Solo: “I can not understand how you follow that old religeon, there is not some higher “Force” controling our lives” then a bit later “May the Force be with you”, same movie, the orginal star wars, and in all honesty, why risk hell?
and if you are willing to deny soemones beliefs are you saying you know everything? and if so tell me right now straight faced i can never see my dad again, and then have faith i wouldn’t punch you in the face
January 31st, 2008 at 2:58 pm
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
-Thomas Aquinas
Humans are able to make themselves believe anything. In the remake of Robinson Crusoe, Tom Hank’s character paints a smiley face on a basketball in order to have a “friend” to talk to. Over time he comes to believe that his friend “Spaulding” is so real that he almost loses his life trying to save the basketball.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:59 pm
you people are the reason all our jobs are being shipped over sea’s. Im preety sure that people in Japan and China arnt on listverse discussing obscure bible passages while they are at work. (but i have a fealing most of you fuckers are in your moms basement)
Jfrater you are the man, keep on keeping on. I love the site, i just hate stupid people.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
“foreskin is a flap of skin serving no purpose whatsoever except to collect dust and dirt,”
Sorry dude…gotta pick you up on this one. I keep a butt, two quarters and a mento under mine…
January 31st, 2008 at 3:02 pm
The foreskin does serve a purpose.
The glans is designed by nature as an *internal* organ. Why? Because it’s supposed to be membrane not skin. Go to the bathroom mirror and pull your lip down to see membrane.
Only cut men believe the foreskin to be a problem. You don’t see the 80% of men who aren’t cut rushing out to have their foreskins removed.
Every medical association, including the US one, has come out against circumcision. Every one.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
csimmons- in judaism circumcision is a part of the covenant with god, made by abraham. to sum it up.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Oh, wow! Number ten completely explains why I had two bears eyeing me hungrily after I mentioned to my dad his hair was looking thinner …
Fantastic list. It (and the comments) had me laughing for ages.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
get a job bible dude
January 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Good lord that’s a significant foreskin you got there kiwi!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:05 pm
I’ve changed my mind, I want my foreskin back.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:06 pm
bucslim – well, I’m not one to brag
But I’m also thinking of renting some of the spare space to my neighbour; he has a coupla krugerrands he wants kept safe…
January 31st, 2008 at 3:06 pm
and if so tell me right now straight faced i can never see my dad again, and then have faith i wouldn’t punch you in the face
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Interesting. When Xians bring up the concern that it might detract from their heavenly experience if they arrive to discover that their spouse, child, or parent isn’t there, they are told that an angel will remove their memories of that person so that they can enjoy the place.
It will be as if that person never existed.
LOL!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
and if you want to deny Christianity lets take away everything it has given scocity
lets see, all our laws are based somewhere around it so we no longer have laws, yay i can kill my childhood bullies woooo
all our holidays are based on Christian themes or on someone using Chrisitan themes so no more free days oof work to spend with your family
anything else we got good, hmmm by the end of mass murder there won’t be anyone left anyway so that covers that
and again basic teachings of the bible picked down to main themes, love, love is the most important and putting others needs before your own, what is so wrong with that?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Smerkis: jobs are moving overseas because 17-years-olds aren’t learning how to spell properly.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
lets see, all our laws are based somewhere around it so we no longer have laws, yay i can kill my childhood bullies woooo
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This is the typical argument put forth by fundies that totally creeps me out. What he is saying is that without the fear of a heavenly smiting he would be out there murdering and raping.
Funny how non-believers understand that these acts are wrong and are repelled by the mere thought of them. They do good for the sake of doing good not to earn or avoid some imaginary fate after death.’
This is why I’m actually thankful for Xianity. It keeps the sociopaths in check.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
and they don’t have foreskins
January 31st, 2008 at 3:15 pm
’specially the girls
January 31st, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Hmmm… I just watched Penn and Teller: Bullshit! on circumcision, i wish i had my foreskin back.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:16 pm
kittym: thank you for being the only person intelligent enough (and with the balls) to insult me. I consider my self to be an very unitelligent individual, just Ask my engrish teacher.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
but were you taught something was wrong or just insticivtly know they are wrong?
take a child, never tell them they are wrong and what do they do when they grow up?
and going back to being taught, who taught the one who taught you, and so forth going back, eventualy it all leads back to 10 base laws set by God to the isrealites in the dessert
but its all because someone told you not that you were born with the that knoweldge
and if you are truly thankful for it why do you try to tell people its wrong, becuase if its part wrong whoes to say its not all wrong and that in the end if there is nothing what difference does it make if we kill or rape or steal?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Smerkis, the rest of us are simply ignoring you.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:18 pm
kittym: can we agree that bibledude is a dick?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
He’s a dick with a foreskin
January 31st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Number 6 is 1 Samuel 18 NOT 1 Kings 18.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
“Samuel 18 NOT 1 Kings 18″
Huh? Last count was Lindsay 1 Britney 0
January 31st, 2008 at 3:24 pm
And we all know that any conversation about the Bible must include a discussion of dicks, balls, snatch, spraying DNA on the ground and foreskin
January 31st, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Taos,
You need to study up on anthropology. Man has been around for about 240,000 years versus your bible’s 2000. Man is a higher primate. Primates are all extremely social animals. For the most part we all just want to get along.
It also comes down to evolution. Someone once explained it this way. Suppose that 200,000 years ago you have two kinds of tribes of hunter-gatherers roaming the earth.
One group allows everyone to kill anyone else on a whim. This freedom holds true for stealing and raping too.
The other group of tribes creates taboos and sanctions against this behavior after determining they are bad for the tribe. It’s hard to build a society if you are constantly looking over your shoulder for potential murderers.
Over time which group of tribes will survive and prosper and which will die off?
The answer is obvious.
The issue was settled long before Xianity made its appearance.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Smerkis: Ha. Never been told I’ve got balls. News to me. And really, the only reason I said what I did is grammatical/spelling errors make my eye twitch, mostly thanks to my more sadistic Enligsh professors.
On the point of anyone on this list being a dick … um … I’d rather not have them yell at me, particularly since religion is so NOT my forte, so I’ll leave that up to you!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
hey its all in the bible, thats one of the great things in the bible, everything in it is still valuable today and still works today
lets see drugs are a problem, aks Solomon about drugs
hmmm sexualy active teens, lets ask the cities of Sodoma and Gomorah where that leads, ect….
January 31st, 2008 at 3:35 pm
kiwiboi; I’m canadian, but no worries I won’t take offence…and I’m little, and although somewhat flabby I am not fat,,,i could go on but i’m thinking real vulgar thoughts right now and this in not the place
January 31st, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Great stuff, I’d love to see more.
It’s insane that this silly, antiquated book still has so much influence in our society.
Oh, btw – there’s a typo in #1: “And the most bizarre tale in the Bible goes too..”
January 31st, 2008 at 3:37 pm
There’s very little that’s original in the bible. Confucius was teaching the Golden Rule hundreds of years before JC. Most of the bible is a rip-off of older tales.
Have you seen this movie?
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/
Watch the first 15 minutes or so,
January 31st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Guy Smiley: It is 1 Kings in the Catholic Bible – the most widely used Bible in the world. The link points to the Douay-Rheims – an English translation of the Catholic Bible.
Catholic – Other
1 Kings = 1 Samuel
2 Kings = 2 Samuel
3 Kings = 1 Kings
4 Kings = 2 Kings
Another difference is that in non-Catholic Bibles you have 1 and 2 Chronicles which are called 1 and 2 Paralipomenon in Catholic Bibles. There are a few other differences too – most notably the Catholic (and Orthodox) Bibles retain the books removed by Protestants in the 1500s.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
@Dischucker – I didn’t mean to be philosophical. And the part about nothing making sense was a joke, that’s what I envision the comments saying and that is exactly what is happening.
I don’t mind people defending their faith, I just don’t think you should get all heated up about it. Apparently someone is already doing that despite my hopes at tolerance.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Reigion may not be my forte either but i am really good at being a dick, so i can tell when someone else is being a dick.
Bibledude: i am resolved that regardless of what i, or anyother here, says will change your opinions on this matter. For that i admire your conviction. You are also an intelligent person, and i admire that as well.
However you are being a dick and your not even good at it, and for that i must insult and annoy you to the best of my ability. You two faced thunder cunt.
(sorry for using that word, its the dirtiest word in the english language, but its just too funny)
January 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Anyway – I am exhausted – it has been a very VERY long day for me and I must sleep so I can get up and write more lists tomorrow and process all of the logo competition entries! It ends in 1 hour and 20 minutes btw.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Oh no,
the zeitgeist movie? That’s your argument? While some of the religion part is true, such as Noah and Moses being based off older myths, the astrology part is total bullshit, and is based on Acharya S’ widely discredited book The Christ Conspiracy.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Dang! this list comment section is like world war 29!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
thats a big misconception, the bible says 6000 years not 2000 years old
and using evolution, there is no proof for it
the two kinds of evolution
micro- or adaptation, where a creature changes slighrtly still staying same creature but adapts to surroundings, one speicies of butterfly lived on a tree and matched the tree, a factory was built and cuased the trees to turn grey, the butterflies adapted to the trees and turned grey too
marco- where an animal makes a leap in adaptation to another animal, like monkeys or ape-like creature become a homosapien, or the greater leap of evolution from a fish or reptile to a mammal
sceince has theories which either have not yet or can not be proven, evolution is one of those
and it has laws that can be tested and retested again and again and be proven everytime, like gravity
anthropolgy is full of theroires becuase none of it can be proven, if want to drag scenece into it, ok proven scheince for the bible, archeology, astrology (yes someone theoriesed and proved that for our current star postions and such about 4000 or so years ago there was a point where the earth and everything stopped moving for a 24 hour period which is mentioned in the bible), and so much more which i have not personaly studied in science
January 31st, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Smerkis, 12 year old trolls never annoy me. I now return you to “ignore”.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
How many comments does the longest list have? I think we might be able to go for a record with this one!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Bible says 6000 years old? LOL!
Son, now you have jumped the shark into wacko-land.
The earth is about 4.5 billion years old. The universe is about 16 billion.
Mankind has been around for about 240,000 years depending on how you define it.
Shame on you for swallowing that nonsense.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:47 pm
if you are really ignoring him why are you commenting back to him?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:48 pm
wow sweet i made comment 300 woooooooooo wonder if i can do 3000 :p
January 31st, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Im 44 dick bag, i just happen to be as sexually unexperienced as a 12 year old.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
My ambition is to make this the longest thread ever seen on the Internets!
Who’s with me?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
“Why can’t we be friends … why can’t we be friends …?”
Sorry, random song lyrics pop into my head at the oddest of moments …
January 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
CK: the list with the most comments is the recent list about geek movies (it set the record because of it’s contest) and it had over 500 comments! while we are about 266 off, we very easily reach it at the rate we’re going.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
I hear you joined the C-I-A after they threw you out of the Maf-I-A!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I am willing to pull an all-nighter if someone will help! I know we can hit 501 by Friday as a team.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:55 pm
i am all for agreeing to disagree
i am just saddened cuase one of my childhood heroes was Ehud and i have yet to mention that, come on whats cooler than getting to be the hated outcast by everybody, stabbing a man so fat a foot and half long blade and part of your arm disappear into his gut and are swollowed by fat?, and to top all getting away with it and leading your people to freedom for as long as the two most well known kings of your nation did combined (David and Solomon each did about 40 years each and Ehud rescuded them for 80), i have been and will always be an outcast and am totaly ok with it
January 31st, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Bibledude: An all nighter, further evidence that all you do is comment on internet sites and masturbate. i too love masturbation and am willing to join you in your all night venture of comments and masturbation.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:59 pm
hmmm… 501 by friday? can i help?
ok, i need a religous comment?
oh, got one!
did you know that one of the commandments is “be festive on holidays?”
January 31st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Right, if masturbation is where this thread is heading, then I’m off. I shudder to think what your next topic of choice will be…
January 31st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Smerkis and Bible Dude: Me too (but im not a masturbation addict, i go to the gym and masturbate later)
January 31st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Taos,
My fave fictional character from olden times is Hercules. Got to love how he knocked down that temple or whatevah!
January 31st, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Ill be there until 501, but i do really have to the gym at 5:00 PST. until 6:00 PST.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Can someone volunteer to make coffee and bring donuts? We’ll need both.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm
One of my favourite bible stories is about Jael.
From the wikipedia:
Yael (Hebrew Ya’el, יעל, the Hebrew name of the Nubian Ibex) is a character mentioned in the Book of Judges in the Hebrew Bible, as the heroine who killed Sisera to deliver Israel from the troops of king Jabin. She was the wife of Heber the Kenite.
God told Deborah (a prophetess and leader) that he would deliver Israel from Jabin. Deborah called Barak to make up an army to lead into battle against Jabin on the plain of Esdraelon. But Barak demanded that Deborah would accompany him into the battle. Deborah agreed but prophesied that the honour of the killing of the other army’s captain would be given to a woman. Jabin’s army was led by Sisera (Judg. 4:2), who fled the battle after all was lost.
Yael received the fleeing Sisera at the settlement of Heber on the plain of Zaanaim. Yael welcomed him into her tent with apparent hospitality. She ‘gave him butter’ (i.e. ‘lebben’, or curdled milk)’in a lordly dish’. Having drunk the refreshing beverage, he lay down and soon sank into the sleep of the weary. While he lay asleep Yael crept stealthily up to him, holding a tent peg and a mallet. She drove it through his temples with such force that it entered into the ground below. And ‘at her feet he bowed, he fell; where he bowed, there he fell down dead’.
As a result of the murder of Sisera, God gave the victory to Israel. The praise given to ‘blessed’ Yael in the Bible, is given for her action.
Moral:Don’t stop on your way to a war to have a drink and sleep with a woman.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
what is your obsession with trying to tell peo0-ple how they are wrong, even if you do belif they are wrong is it you mission from Go— wait you don’t in im, so what is the point, you see having no beliefs in the afterlife when saying you are wrong i do not bash anything to you since you have none, but telling people thier belifs in such are wrong just show you asa jerk
and saying Hercules is your favortie old time hero, why such an emphisi on not knowing anything about his life? the “or whatevah” just show your lack of caring in it, and is saddening in that you claim to hold him high by calling him a hero yet don’t care enough to fact check it?
January 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pm
i got the coffee. and donuts, now that las vegas has a dunkin donuts.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
riledupone-
can you read hebrew?
January 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
I’m willing to serve as the group’s banker and accept Paypal donations for coffee and donuts.
I figure if everyone pitches in $20 it will be covered.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Dudes & Dudettes, it’s been a real slice-o-rooni but I got to go.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Smerkis: LOL – I thought you were me for a sec.
BD: Best and more precise age of Universe 13.7 billion years, with well defined error bars.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
downhighway 61- no I don’t read Hebrew. While studying Spirituality, the story of Jael was part of a “Women Of The Bible” lesson. I loved it.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
We actually acted out #9 in church camp one year. What? It was in the Bible!
January 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Jesus and the fig tree.
“But in the orchard to which Jesus came, one tree appeared to be in advance of all the others. It was already covered with leaves. It is the nature of the fig tree that before the leaves open, the growing fruit appears. Therefore this tree in full leaf gave promise of well-developed fruit. But its appearance was deceptive. Upon searching its branches, from the lowest bough to the topmost twig, Jesus found “nothing but leaves.” It was a mass of pretentious foliage, nothing more.”
“The cursing of the fig tree was an acted parable. That barren tree, flaunting its pretentious foliage in the very face of Christ, was a symbol of the Jewish nation. The Saviour desired to make plain to His disciples the cause and the certainty of Israel’s doom. For this purpose He invested the tree with moral qualities, and made it the expositor of divine truth. The Jews stood forth distinct from all other nations, professing allegiance to God. They had been specially favored by Him, and they laid claim to righteousness above every other people. But they were corrupted by the love of the world and the greed of gain. They boasted of their knowledge, but they were ignorant of the requirements of God, and were full of hypocrisy. Like the barren tree, they spread their pretentious branches aloft, luxuriant in appearance, and beautiful to the eye, but they yielded “nothing but leaves.” The Jewish religion, with its magnificent temple, its sacred altars, its mitered priests and impressive ceremonies, was indeed fair in outward appearance, but humility, love, and benevolence were lacking. ”
E.G. White from The Desire of Ages
January 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pm
wow… i’ve never actually read the bible but never did i think there would be such stories in it!
great list!! i can’t stop laughing
January 31st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
riledupone-
oh… you had thrown the hebrew in, so i figured you read it.
אתל–
(my hebrew (עברת) name)
January 31st, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Donations to date: $0.00
January 31st, 2008 at 5:19 pm
add number 11. Jonah and the whale.
ya sure, 3 days in a whale, no suffocation, no death from stomach acid, no starvation, whales dont eat ppl, and a nice return trip to the beach.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Kiwiboi: I vote Britany, because she is just jumping both feet in as she goes crazy. Lindsay is still trying to claim she just has a little drug problem.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:50 pm
best line ever…”Balaam is just minding his own business, spanking his ass…”
Thank you SO MUCH for that one! Got tears in my eyes.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
not really touching this one, but i love this list. this is like a big F you to all the warm fuzzy christians who think there is no wrong with christianity or the bible. lovin it.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:03 pm
I just think its weird that atheist’s know more about the christian faith then most christians.
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I think i have an answer for this… I am a vegetarian, as well as someone who absolutely HATES organized religion. I am sorry, I was raised catholic i had to listen to it all the time growing up and I hate it.
Often I am forced to explain my choice to not eat meat to people, and so as a result I make a point to have as much information as I possibly can in order to give a sufficient response, lest these people scoff at me and mutter that I have no idea what I am talking about. While it comes up less often, I am also forced to explain to people why I don’t practice religion or believe in jesus – so I have to have a lot of knowledge on the subject in order to have my belief, or lack thereof, taken seriously.
And to refer to my other point, not one of those pro religious people have mentioned the horrible things that religion does to societies, the environment or self esteem (paticularily gays, and particularily catholicism) And the moquese or the anti christians? They havent said anything in regards to these points either, they dont need to, they have enough valid points with their own thoughts and facts. I feel like the whole idea of just letting everyone do what they want is moot when you consider how many of christianity’s rules are made to keep christians that way out of fear, spread the word (ie get others to be christian too) they dont let others do what they like either. and anyone claiming to be christians who don’t spread the word or has sex before marriage are not christians at all, because when you start picking and choosing things you like out of a religion and then filling in the rest with your own personal preferences, you are simply doing whatever you want and not being christian at all.
Perhaps bibleman or whatever could answer this – was the bible not first written by a ruler called constantine? or rather, he made it his own?
January 31st, 2008 at 6:03 pm
oh yeah! what a fantastic and well written list!
January 31st, 2008 at 6:26 pm
I have made sure I know more about religion than religious people (it’s not hard to do). This way I am arguing with knowledge.
Not that it is needed, logical common sense should be enough for people to know god doesn’t exist and the bible is silly. This goes for all religions too, though. Absolutely none are correct.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Again I got about halfway through all these arguementitive and overanalytical comments before I just gave up and I just wanted to say that I was laughing all the way through this list, thanks for this good one JT, great sense of humor infused into this one. =)
January 31st, 2008 at 6:33 pm
The bible is such bullsh#%.
But its a fun read!
January 31st, 2008 at 6:42 pm
#6
Actually, David took the 200 foreskins and made them into a backpack.
When Saul stroked it, it turned into a 3 bedroom tent.
I’m not making that up.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:00 pm
1. Jacob and the case of the magical genetics
I’m pretty sure that this tale is supposed to be about faith… If they believed that it would work for the cattle, it would. I wish that fundamentalists would read a little more into this one because this is almost proof that the whole bible thing is nonsensical and should only be read for morals.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:01 pm
I think its funny how the bible is the supposed word of god, and many of its more crazy passages are enforced literally (homosexuals, circumcision, etc.) and yet, there are whole passages that get left out by some sects because they contradict themselves or don’t fit into todays society. How can any teachings from this book be taken literally when it is up to the reader or the pastor to decide which parts are relevant? Its like learning chemistry. If you read a chemistry text you don’t leave out half of the text because you interpret it as irrelevant, you can’t expect to have a thorough knowledge of the subject. Either take the whole bible, or none of it. If it doesn’t make sense to you there is probably a reason for that.
Another thing that I hate is that people get so defensive if you question their faith. People can have a civilized argument about their choice in cars, but when it comes to questioning someones faith we end up with derogatory comments flying everywhere.
I have nothing against anyone here but to align yourself with a segregation that causes more conflict in the world than peace, then whats the point? it ends up being pretty selfish.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:05 pm
haha JT this is such a great list.
thanks very much.
it is quite odd why those were included in the bible, maybe there was some hidden messages??
oh and don’t take down the list no matter what anyone says. you’re not critizing the religion at all, it’s their fault for including those bizarre stories and believing in them
January 31st, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Hmmm, I don’t really know where to take this. I suppose due to all the inane conversation happening there is nothing one can really say. For those wondering, there are Christians out there who actually know what they believe and WHY they believe it. Yes WHY. Such as WHY I can trust the Gospels as historical accounts.
Bible dude, your dating, scholars, all that stuff, all of it is biased. These are people who WANT to disprove the bible and go about their tasks accordingly. It’d be a mighty long protracted discussion about this but I have no intention of boring people with it. Simply put, go here for a full explanation:
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/ntcanon.html
Also, for the record, the bible NEVER SAYS THE EARTH WAS CREATED 6000 years ago. The fact that bible dude seems to let this one go makes me think he’s full of shit about knowing the bible. A quick read through plainly shows it never gives an age. As for the days of creation, simply put the days can simply be taken as metaphorical. We are talking about the creation of the world here people, it needs metaphors to explain how it worked.
And by the way, the bible wasn’t written for you yesterday, so when it doesn’t make sense or you don’t understand it, you might want to do a little research about the context and culture if you actually want to know the meanings.
Bible dude, since you whined about it ever so much, I will respond to your post 162:
God created humans with free will. He did this so we weren’t robots, FORCED to love Him. Thus, we had a choice and when we made the wrong choice to rebel, things changed for the worse. God in His infinite justice and holiness could not simply say “oh those things you did that were wrong… they don’t count” because that wouldn’t be just. And if God ceased to be just, He would cease to be God. But, God is loving as well. Part of the law was that an injustice met by some sacrifice would be “paid” for. That is, I am doing this sacrifice as a symbol that I am actually sorry, I respect you God and I want your forgiveness. Thus, God became man as Jesus and was offered as a sacrifice to atone for those all the wrong things all of humanity had done (yes all, not just the ones after). God is neither sadistic nor cruel. He just happens to be Just and in fact, sending Jesus to pay the penalty was probably the most loving thing He could do, it boggles the mind.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Panic: The Straight Dope attempts to answer who wrote the Bible here: http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mbible1.html
There are some people that say the Bible retells Sumerian myths.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Number Ten: Elisha was a prophet of God whose prophetic credentials were verified by miracles. He had just witnessed Elijah, his mentor, the greatest prophet of the Old Testament, being taken up into heaven by angels while he was still alive. There were mockers of God at that time, as there are today. You should not mock the true Spirit of the Living God in a prophet, if he truly is a prophet. We are living in a day today, when there is less and less respect for adults on the part of children. That is the result of children not being obedient to their own parents. When children do not respect their own parents, they also do not respect other adults. II Timothy 3:1,2 says, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.” When a child is disobedient to his/her parents, then that child’s life is not going to go well, and may also be shortened. Ephesians 6:1-3 says, “Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.” These children were mocking Elisha and his bald head, and more or less telling him that they would like him to “go up” like Elijah had been suddenly taken away up to heaven, or as the modern vernacular states “go to hell”. It was showing not only disrespect for Elisha, but also disrespect for the man of God that had preceded him. It may seem that the prophet Elisha was rather harsh on these children, but remember it was not he that called forth the bears out of the woods. He just cursed the children in the name of the Lord, and it was God that then caused the bears to come out of the woods and tear the children. Note that it was two “she” bears. It is pretty sad when God has to use some “mother” animals to teach children about the proper respect of adults and men of God, because their own mothers have not trained them, and they are acting like animals. Proverbs 29:15 says, “The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.”
January 31st, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Right now I’m just wishing my parents had dyed their hairs red before they made me so I could be a red-head. =D
I just wonder how Mendel saw that particular passage of the Bible and remained faithfull, since he knew it was impossible. Although I always thought he pretended to be a monk so he could live in the monastery with a garden all to himself, counting peas whenever he wanted.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:36 pm
SO MANY COMMENTS!!!!!
But, anyway…
Good List!
January 31st, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Number Nine: The Bible is authentic history. It is not edited, redacted or cleaned up. Eyewitnesses of history wrote what they saw. The book of Judges tells the history of the Jews after Joshua brought them into the land of Israel up to the time before the Kings of Israel. Judges 17:6 states “In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.” God allowed foreign invaders to conquer Israel and torment the Israelites as a consequence for their disobedience to Him. But God is merciful and would send means to deliver them from their enemies if they would turn back to Him. There are ten “judges” or deliverers in the book of Judges who are credited for fighting the conquering foreign army after they had originally been defeated. That Ehud, a judge or deliverer, was successful in killing King Eglon who was the current foreign occupier of the land, was evidence of God’s help to the Israelites in defeating their tormenting enemy. All these judges are only shadows of the real deliverer or Messiah which was to come, the Lord Jesus Christ, who delivers us from our conquering enemy, Satan, the world and our sinful self.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Why did this humorous thread have to become a list of preaching justifications?
January 31st, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Bruno,
I never ever claimed that the earth is 6000 years old or that the bible claims it is. That estimate is from some moonbat minister from the 19th century.
If you’re going to flame at least flame the right target, ffs.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Number Eight: There are many laws of God which were for a specific period of time and for the Jewish race only. This law that Onan broke only was authoritative for descendants of Abraham until the time of the Messiah. Onan, not wishing to give his brother credit for paternity under the system of Jewish law, spilled his seed on the ground, whereupon God slew him also for the Levirate law laid down the rule for the Jews that a man inheriting his brother’s cattle and lands should also cohabit with his deceased brother’s wife or wives and raise a direct heir for his brother’s property. The purpose of the law was the allow the Messiah to come through the line of Abraham. When Jesus came this law was no longer necessary.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:54 pm
To #342:
Thus spake Bruno: “He did this so we weren’t robots, FORCED to love Him. Thus, we had a choice and when we made the wrong choice to rebel, things changed for the worse.”
Yes, as I understand it the offer from bible-gawd is and always has been: Worship me or I will roast you in hell for three back-to-back eternities with only a ciggie break inbetween.
Only a gullible coward acquiesces to such duress.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:55 pm
#350
Jesus came?
January 31st, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Remember in Dogma when Chris Rock said, something to the effect of, all religions are the same. All religions around the world are beliefe’s of the same god. Taking this idea further, who’s to say that the belief is many gods is not simply the belief in the many aspects of a God: mercy, love, wrath. The same God as in the bible. And they say that God’s expirament with humanity is the greatest ever attempted. What would make this expirament more
interesting then telling different groups of them that you are god, just saying it in different ways. Now God sits back guides them, lets them fight, and see’s if they can figure out they all believe in the same thing, The same GOD(S)
January 31st, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Number Seven – Judges 17:6 states “In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.” The result of man only doing that which is right in his own eyes is depravity of the grossest sort. God is able to save us from our depravity but there is a limit and Romans chapter one describes that even God will consider us unredeemable when we reach a certain level of rejection of Him and acceptance of depravity.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:58 pm
I think this sums up nicely what our attitude should be towards religion:
We must respect the other man’s religion, but only to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children are smart.”
– H.L. Mencken
January 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Why is it that people can believe in a giant man in the sky who watches everything you do and loves you so much that if you don’t love him back he’ll condemn you to an eternity of torture and despair… yet when i say I believe in Santa Claus
people think I’m crazy?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:03 pm
I disagree bible dude, religion should not be respected any more than any other decision that someone makes, there is no reason that just because it is their faith that we are obliged to respect it. For some reason people get very defensive hen it comes to faith.
I think that McDonalds is the best food ever and no one can argue that because its my faith. pfft…
January 31st, 2008 at 8:05 pm
#352
and then he had a nap.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Number Six: David did many ungodly things. He was only a man after God’s own heart because of his ability to repent and turn back to God after greatly sinning. Psalm 51 is the great prayer of repentance that is an example to us all. David did this depraved act of retrieving foreskins at the command of his depraved future father-in-law, Saul, who requested this as the dowry for marrying his daughter. Than he gives his daughter to another man after David accomplishes this disgusting act. Don’t be fooled. All the “saints” of the Bible are real people who committed real sins, just like the people of today. It is so beautiful that God will forgive even when we sin as badly as David. That is only possible because Jesus took our sins upon himself when he was crucified, and verified he was the Messiah by raising from the dead. That Jesus identified with David by being his ancestor and calling himself “the son of David” is showing the redemption that God brought to David for his faith and repentance.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm
H.L. Mencken was being sarcastic.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Ah makes sense now, Derp to me
January 31st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Number Five – his item is available on the Apologetics Press web site at: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2326
AP Content :: Scripturally Speaking
Why did God Want to Kill Moses?
by Alden Bass
Moses was eighty years old. He had just stood in awe before the bush that burned but was not consumed, and had received instructions from the Angel of the Lord to appear before the Pharaoh of Egypt and command him in the name of the Great I Am to release the Hebrews from their bondage. After some deliberation and hesitation, Moses accepted the mission, and immediately began making preparations. He obtained permission from his father-in-law to return to Egypt with his family, then packed up his wife and two sons and headed south. It seems they had not gone far, perhaps only the first day’s journey, when a peculiar circumstance arose. As they made arrangements to sleep for the night, the Lord met Moses and sought to kill him (Exodus 4:24). In response to this turn of events, Moses’ wife Zipporah circumcised their uncircumcised son and threw the foreskin at his feet, screaming, “You are a husband of blood!” After this, the Lord “let him go” (4:26).
This story is particularly difficult to understand because of its brevity, and the unusual wording of verse 24: “The Lord sought to kill Moses.” Though the phrasing of the verse may elicit dark images of God slinking about the encampment, waiting to ambush Moses, the fact that God would kill someone is not unusual in other contexts. The wicked were slain by God in the Great Flood because of their violent and ungodly actions (Genesis 6:1-7). The Lord killed Er and Onan, two of Judah’s sons, because of their overt rebellion (Genesis 38:7,10). In Moses’ later years, God would legislate the death penalty for those guilty of disobeying certain laws (Leviticus 20). In these instances and many more, God “killed” a person or persons, albeit indirectly. In Exodus 4, we can be assured that Moses was afflicted because he was guilty of some sin, since disobedience is the only act God punishes with death.
The sin of Moses is not stated explicitly, but the surrounding events give substantial clues as to the nature of Moses’ transgression. God had instructed his messenger to warn Pharaoh to free Israel, or risk losing his firstborn son (Exodus 4:21-23). Moses had been specially groomed by God for eighty years for this mission, and now the time for action had come. Moses was to lead his people out of Egypt, and to be an example to Pharaoh’s house, to the nation of Egypt, and to all the nations that heard of those happenings (Exodus 18:10-11; Joshua 2:10-11). Accordingly, Moses’ personal life had to be in order before he could direct the spiritual lives of the Hebrew people. It seems that Moses had neglected to administer the sacred rite of circumcision, the act that symbolized the Almighty’s covenant with His chosen people. Perhaps this was the result of pressure from his surrogate Midianite tribe; more likely he was persuaded by Zipporah not to circumcise his son, since she apparently found the practice revolting (4:25). This would explain her violent outburst; she felt that she had saved her husband from death by shedding the blood of her son. Whatever the cause, Moses’ outstanding sin made him unfit to serve as a spiritual leader, and the situation had to be rectified before he could carry out his mission effectively. Indeed, as soon as Zipporah performed the act, the Lord “let him go.”
Though the details of this mysterious story are absent, the underlying message is plain. Disobedience, whether by acts of omission or commission, result only in punishment and ultimately death.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Dwight, your friends need to organize an emergency intervention for you. You have been totally brainwashed.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Bible dude
I completely agree, maybe he is trying to save a soul or something.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Now Dwight trots out tired old Christian Apologetics in order to demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that you can’t polish a turd.
Thanks for reminding of this, Dwight.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Who brain washed you Bibledude, your just as convicted about your beliefs as Dwight and just as imformed. So back the fuck up and let my man work.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:12 pm
You can always tell who the godbots are by the fact that they never engage in debate because that requires thinking. All they do instead is copy and paste scripture and embarrassingly bad apologetics.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:12 pm
So so angry,
Watch out, don’t step on the faith!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Hey asshole, im debating you
January 31st, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Tristan, I get really pissed too when someone tells me that they don’t worship Binky the 40 Ft Carrot God. Binky is the true master of the universe and used to give Jesus wedgies back in high school.
A terrible fate awaits those who do not worship Binky. He gives them free choice in the matter but if they don’t he simmers them in a thick vegetable stew for all eternity.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:18 pm
That is not arguing, apologetics and scripture is not arguing, I cant see any justified discussion here, its just shouting…..
Argument
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In general parlance, an argument is a discussion involving conflicting points of view.
lol
January 31st, 2008 at 8:19 pm
This reminds me of the Monty Python sketch about a man looking for an argument.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:20 pm
January 31st, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Hey, the smerkis is looking for a civilized duscussion. Confused as to why u guys care just as much about spreading ur non belief as christians care about spreading their belief. Sounds like your pedaling a religion of non-belief over here.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Apologetics. What a term. How good is your religion if you need teams of people to defend and justify it?
Do you expect those who blindly subscribe to a dogma to think skeptically and ask hard questions? I suppose some do, but most cut-and-paste.
I respect people but I don’t have to agree with someone else’s belief or take it seriously. Ask a Christian how seriously they take Mormons or Scientologists. They often treat these other cults as foolish and dismiss them out of hand. Yet they are offended when others call their arguments specious. They practice a double standard. “Respect me and my religion and give it a chance, I can explain away inconsistencies. Those Zeus followers are crazy, however.”
January 31st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
What would the point of our discussion be if I did not have a conflicting position?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
I have always had a particular contempt for scripture slingers.
You tell these yokels that you can’t accept the bible as the word of god. You tell them that it’s a man made book produced by an ancient and ignorant tribal people.
What’s their response? Why they point to passages in the bible that say it is the word of bible-gawd.
Do’h!
Circular logic called and said you’re a moron.
Using circular logic we must also conclude that every super hero is real too because a comic says he is.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:30 pm
@smerkis
Anyway, you really haven’t set yourself up for any type of discussion, since all you have done is sit there and throw derogatory comments at anyone who tries to argue with our blind resident preacher.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Tristan: assuming what u just said means that u do push your philosophy of non belief on others, why do u get mad when others attempt to convince you of thier view points. Responding with contempt and anger.
In regards to my hypocracy on the subject of responding to others views with anger. I am only a dick to bibledude.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:36 pm
This quote is food for thought:
“If the Bible and my brain are both the work of the same Infinite God, whose fault is it that the book and my brain do not agree?” –Robert G. Ingersoll
I had many years of schooling at a religious school and slowly but surely came to see religion, Christianity specifically, as bullshit.
As an adult I tried to revisit religion and see if there was anything there for me. There wasn’t.
So am I to blame for not being able to believe in something for which there isn’t one shred of proof?
I suppose from the believers’ warped perspective I am. LOL!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:37 pm
No not pushing my beliefs, more defending my position and this lists position when I come here and get scripture forced down my neck. This list is very funny, and what is also very funny is how defensive everyone becomes when their faith has somehow questioned, even if not directly.
You can see why the Israelis the Palestinians don’t get on.
Oh and please don’t get anger confused with my utter amusement.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:40 pm
i think the proof lies in existence it self. In the fact that life is too visciously complex to be coincidence. Also if god was as much of a dick as u say he is do u think he would let you bash him like you do. I happen to think it says alot about god that he lets u say what you do. Hitler killed everybody who disagreed with him.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Christianity is just “Fire Insurance”.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Tristan, I put the smerk on ignore hours ago. You’ll get higher quality debate from a rock.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
This sums up Xianity perfectly:
“He came down to earth as an incarnation of Himself, to sacrifice Himself to Himself in order to forgive His people, who he made in the image of Himself, and save them from–wait for it!–the wrath of…HIMSELF!!!”
January 31st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I think a good piece of reading would be the Cargo Cults that appeared in the early 1900s.
You can see how easily religion can start
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
Enjoy XD
January 31st, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Bible: yet you still acknowledge my existence, you hypocritical dousche. You say you dont like when people quote scripture to you but u quote atheists to them. You say you are just as tolerant as christians even u dont believe in the same things when, in fact, you refuse to tolerate their beliefs and assume they are unitelligent cowards.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Yes, it is fire insurance for the lazy and insincere.
Here’s the irony in all thsi. If heaven were an actual place it would be the de facto hell because it would be full of Xians.
Who the hell would want to spend an eternity with Xians?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:53 pm
#387
Smerk, I respect your onanistic ways, but you spelled douche wrong.
I think most skeptics would just point out what they view as circular arguments and lack of convincing evidence. That doesn’t mean another person might not find it convincing. Clearly a lot of smart people have faith in religions. It doesn’t make sense to me, but my arguments won’t convince those who have already convinced themselves that their religion fits their world-view.
I’ve thought about starting a religion Tristan. Have I mentioned sometimes I hear voices? Usually they are telling me to seek out Asian porn on the Internet, but sometimes they tell me of gods and demons and aliens and airplanes filled with souls headed for volcanoes. Wait… damn you LRH, you stole that!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:55 pm
I just cant wait for John Frum to bring me my cargo.
There was an excellent quote by the tribes leader.
“If you can wait 2000 years for jesus, and he no come, then I can wait 50 years for John Frumm”
January 31st, 2008 at 8:59 pm
#388
BD, I have often thought the same thing. My thoughts go like this:
“If I have to spend an eternity with someone, why would I want to spend it with a god I don’t respect, who uses fear and bribes to coerce people to worship him, and then threatens to torture and damn innocents who never heard of him, children who died before they learned of him, etc.? If I feel he is, by all accounts, loving to his chosen one moment and then committing genocide and sending gays to hell the next, this is about the last guy I want to hang out with sipping cocktails for eternity.”
Heaven sounds nice when you are afraid of dying, it gives you some comfort until you think too much about it and realize it makes no sense. Give me a dirt nap over that, puh-lease. (Or, make me the Highlander, so I can live a really long time until some other guy cuts off my head.)
January 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm
If there is a heaven, i believe it is full of rivers of beer and soda, hot chicks with size DD’s running and bouncing around having pillow fights, casinos everywhere, huge tropical beaches, and bars farther than the eye can see.
The Promise Land
Well my promise atleast
January 31st, 2008 at 9:16 pm
sorry to jump back, i am the one who borught up the 6000 year old earth, true the bible never actualy gives a number of years since the world was created, there isn;t some clock in it that says “earth created 6029 years 8 hours 17 minutes, 12.4 seconds this sentence” but it does give how long people lived and how old they were when a decednedt was born, and by adding those ages up can make an estimate on it, in the cultures at that time in that part of the world did start calenders it was based on the ruler at the time, our current date of 2008 comes from the ruler at the time of Christ’s birth, oddly it is miscalculated becuase a couple or so years after Christ’s birth the ruler changed his name, not resetting the time of ruling but just confusing scribes, even calling this the ACE still uses the same problem
but indirectly the bible does give an age of the earth and the inhabitants, but not with an exaxt number, thats why 6000 is a rough estimant, thats been the conciensus for like 20 years, becuase you have to go through lots of genalities in the bible and not in it, so 6000 is a rough estimant, no one on earth for sure knows the exact age, considering no one here now was there at the time
January 31st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
These stories were amazing! Most of them I’d never even heard of! Makes you wonder what those guys were thinking when they wrote them…
January 31st, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Taos, no one knows the exact number of years, but it is roughly 4.6 billion years old, not that bible bullshit saying 6000 years, If you want proof, ask a scientist how old the oldest fossil is, he’ll say, about 10 million years (not sure, saw it on t.v. and forgot the exact years, somewhere in the millions)
January 31st, 2008 at 9:29 pm
bible dude: i’m sorry your 2nd grade teacher said those things to you. i hope one day you are able to see those aspects of God that you either choose not to see or are unable to see right now. my life has found purpose and meaning in the God of the Bible. taking the Bible as a whole sheds all sorts of light on the particulars.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
What particulars would they be?
Some sort of explanation of the bad things in your life, that there is a plan for you, that you will go to heaven?
How does that complete you, how would you be different without that, with a good set of moral values you could be the same person, less a layer of smugness because you thing we are all going to hell.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:34 pm
I like candy.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Csimmons: You dont need to ask about the oldest fossil. They can age rocks and that is how they get back billons of years.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Especially reeses
January 31st, 2008 at 9:36 pm
“Nobody knows the age of the human race, but everybody agrees that it is
old enough to know better.”
-Anonymous
January 31st, 2008 at 9:49 pm
“I like fishy crackers!” – Cheese from Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Athiest= Someone who has grown up enough to no longer believe in imaginary friends.
I found this on the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster comments after a news report.
Here is a link to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. http://www.venganza.org/
January 31st, 2008 at 10:20 pm
MORAL OF #1 GIVES US A CLUE ,JT is BALD
I AIN’T MAKING FUN OF IT .PLEASE DON CURSE ME
January 31st, 2008 at 10:27 pm
#1 actually could be explained with simple genetics (if the cattle color is determined by simple dominant-recessive genetics). If the plain color was the dominant trait and the stripes the recessive, then it is entirely possible that two heterozygous parents (displaying the plain coat phenotype) could mate producing a portion of offspring bearing the recessive phenotype (i.e. stripes/spotted coats). In this way a bunch of Jacob’s plain colored cattle could end up producing a good number of striped offspring.
However, if this is the case this still means that only a fraction of the offspring would bear the striped coat, not all of them as the story implies.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:50 pm
ok heres something to think about humans have free will angels were not given free will and yet,,, lucifer was able to rebel against god ???? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
to those that always bring up that theres no proof of evolution hello theres no proof that anything in the bible ever happened either but you believe that
January 31st, 2008 at 10:58 pm
This list is SWEET! Gangsta ass Bible stories…and lets not forget 2 Kings 6:28-29 about the cannibal ladies. Check it out….Bizarre indeed
6:28 And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son tomorrow.
6:29 So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:02 pm
tristan: i apologize if what i said came across as smug. that was not my intention. regardless of what you might think i believe, when did i ever say i thought you were going to hell?
as far as your question, my life is absolutely enriched by faith in the Living God. however, just about any reason i could give will most likely be met with ridicule by those who consider themselves too smart to fall for the lie of organized religion.
for me, to see that i am fully known yet fully accepted is an amazing thought. you see, i wasn’t always the upstanding citizen i am now. i know “what evil lurks in a man’s heart”. i know i am capable and culpable for alot of it.
i know what i am deserving of in the eyes of a the Holy God. to answer someone’s objection from earlier, how can a finite transgression be punished infinitely? because the trangression is against a perfectly holy being.
if i punch jayfray in the face, we would probably fight and i wouldn’t be welcome back to LV. if i punch the govenor of texas in the face, i will be taken down with extreme prejudice and jailed indefinately. if i punch the president of the united states in the face, there will be a 3 inch exit wound in my head from a sniper’s rifle. the transgression is the same in each instance, however the one being offended is greater in each one. therefore, the status of the one offended comes into play. if we offend the supreme, perfect ruler of everything, should we not expect supreme, perfect punishment?
i’ll say again, to know that i am fully known and fully accepted is quite staggering.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Dischusker, if I may ask, is there some valid reason why you refuse to start your sentences with a capitol letter? Is a broken shift key?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:19 pm
i’ll say again, to know that i am fully known and fully accepted is quite staggering.
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I feel exactly the same way since becoming a member of the Church of Binky the 40 Foot Carrot God.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:24 pm
just always done my online coorespondence that way. no particular reason. perhaps i am channeling e.e. cummings.
i notice you do not interact with the substance of my statement, just ridicule.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Well to be honest, your claims are about as convincing as someone claiming that they have an invisible parrot perched on their shoulder.
How am I supposed to respond to such a claim?
Either you see the invisible parrot on his shoulder or you don’t.
What more is there to say? Would you prefer that I lie and say that I too see it?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Regarding Jesus and the fig tree
Jesus is describing this blog, from just a link in del.icous it looked like I could learn from it, entertaining, fruit if you may, fruit is enjoyable.
but when you get hear and read the posts, the fruit is green. nothing enjoyable. very young.
its a big let down, buzz kill
; surely you know I am messing with you. apply what I just said to the churches in these last days. allot of activities, no bible studies etc. no fruit.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:42 pm
I wish I had an invisible parrot on my shoulder. I’ve always liked parrots.
In all honesty, (and I’m not trying to offend anyone or pick a fight) religion is a dumb thing to debate. Neither the believers or the non-believers are ever going to change their minds. What is the point? You can’t prove or disprove the existence of God. You either believe or you don’t, that’s what faith is all about isn’t it? Why not just agree to disagree and stop ridiculing each other?
Then again, if people could do that there wouldn’t be as much war as there is in the world. Wishful thinking. Oh well, back to my utopia.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:48 pm
i was asked how my life was made complete by belief in the God of the Bible. i answered that question. you call me an idiot. i’m not asking you to understand.
if you haven’t noticed yet, one of the joys of LV is that there is civil interaction.
if i ask you a question and don’t like your response to answer you with, well, you’re a jackass, is hardly inline with civility.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:51 pm
miss destiny: regardless of the topic, if something was potentially life changing, even if it was offensive, wouldn’t you want to know about it?
what if you spent your whole life investing, developing and marketing product X? i found out product X was going to kill you. would you want to know?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:53 pm
The problem is that the believers want to ram their beliefs down everyone’s neck. Sometimes this is motivated by a desire to save them and more often out of a sense of smug superiority.
I’m saved and you’re not! So I’m better than you.
Why not just keep your beliefs to yourself and then you won’t get blowback.
Like the bumpersticker says:
If you don’t pray in my schools, I won’t think in your churches.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Jacob and the case of the magical genetics – The moral of this story?
easy… Jacob was a schemer.
You know, As a Christian I am always shocked, something so easy to understand, yet some don’t get it, even if you make it clear as day..
Then I remember verses like this one.
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers….
January 31st, 2008 at 11:56 pm
what if you spent your whole life investing, developing and marketing product X? i found out product X was going to kill you. would you want to know?
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Of course, if you can provide some friggin P-R-O-O-F!
It’s not enough in the adult world to simply declare that some invisible pixie is beaming messages into your brain pan.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:57 pm
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers….
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Then blame your idiotic god not us.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:59 pm
What is this? msn chat?
I post and you replace with a message?
You want to be my chat buddy?
dude, you would not DARE leave what I posted. why? your atheistic religion is weak. just like islam, when someone challenges you, you take them out.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:01 am
I’m all for learning about religion and stuff, it’s just the back and forth banter between Atheists and believers that gets old after awhile.
I am a person who believes in a God, I don’t call myself a Christian, I just believe that there is some sort of higher being that we call God. I suppose you could call me Agnostic? I don’t expect an Atheist to understand that, therefore I wouldn’t bother even trying to debate with one on the matter. I’m not going to change their mind, and they’re not going to change mine. For me, you either believe or you don’t. If you don’t, that’s your choice, don’t disrespect me for my choice and I’ll respect you for yours. It’s when folks on either side of the debate get disrespectful that I get annoyed with the whole thing, and that’s a lot of what goes on because both sides get frustrated that they can’t get their point across.
I know in my heart what I believe, and feels right to me. I don’t feel the need to defend it with such passion. Not because I am not passionate about my beliefs, not in the least, simply because I am satisfied and comfortable enough in my own faith to handle the beliefs of another who doesn’t feel as I do.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:02 am
Here’s the problem.
Some adults claim to have an invisible friend. This friendship provides a feeling of specialness which they never experienced before in life. This imaginary friend promises them all sorts of rewards in an afterlife.
So far no problem.
Where the problem arises is when these people start insisting that everyone believe in their invisible friend.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:04 am
You people are in for a special treat.
This is religion from a non-believer’s point of view. Listen carefully as this parody covers every major point in your belief system.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:06 am
miss destiny,
I suppose you could call me Agnostic?
I wouldn’t call myself that, in Latin agnostic means ignoramus ( I am not being cheeky, look it up yourself )
and may I ask, which god do you believe in? there are MANY
and atheists believe they are god.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:12 am
verycheeky – Well thank you for pointing that out, I had thought that “Agnostic” was a term for someone who believed in a God but wasn’t exactly sure what exactly He/She/It is/was.
I just believe in one God that created the Universe and everything in it. I don’t know about OTHER Gods, though I am open to the possibility.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:17 am
and atheists believe they are god.
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Well that’s just plain dumb. Are you maybe a fundie trying to pass as an agnostic?
If any atheist believed that he was god he would be going mad from trying to make all the pain and suffering go away and not seeing any results.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:30 am
Wow, great stuff…why don’t you do a peice on the Koran ? I won’t hold my breath ;—)
February 1st, 2008 at 12:31 am
http://psom.blogspot.com/2006/01/theism-atheism-agnosticism-and.html
“I’ve never liked the word “agnostic” anyways. To me it has always been just a weasely way to get out of being asked if you believe in God.
Broken down to its latin roots, “agnostic” means one who does not know. In my experience, no one ever asks you if you know if there’s a god. They ask if you believe there’s a god. Answering “agnostic” doesn’t answer the question in the least. You either believe (theist) or don’t believe (atheist). None of us know one way or the other, so we are all agnostics. The term therefore conveys zero information and isn’t even worth uttering.”
February 1st, 2008 at 12:47 am
gnostic, means to know
agnostic means not to know, ignoramus
muse means to think
Amuse means not to think
theist means to believe
atheist means…. you get the picture!
February 1st, 2008 at 12:47 am
I agree with many of these stories. As a committed Christian some disturb me, like the one where the guys offers his daughter to be raped.
One has to keep in mind that the Bible is not a record of the things that God condones and condemns. It’s also a record of happenings. In other words, you can be sure God doesn’t condone offering your children to be raped.
As for the fig tree, the moral of the story is that you must bear fruit. In other words, if you’re a Christian, people must be able to see the “fruit” of that decision in your life.
I’m going bald so I’m perfectly fine with the 1st story.
As for story 8, I totally agree. Christian leaders abuse this verse cause it’s literally the only verse they can find that remotely deals with masturbation. When in fact, God didn’t have a problem with the guy w@nking, he had a problem with the guy not obeying God by giving his brother a heir. In those times having a heir was very high up on the priority list. As a committed Christian, I still think this story and some of the others are a load of bull-$hit which just confuse people. I don’t let it put me off God though.
(I had to mask the swear words for my company internet filter)
February 1st, 2008 at 12:48 am
How is it ignorant to admit to not knowing the unknowable?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:10 am
Well, unlike CoS, I’m glad that Christians are not banned from using the internet… =)
February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 am
James M (#428) – if someone sends me in a list of the Top 10 Bizarre Tales in the Quran, I will publish it – I have posted articles here on various other weird religions and their practices – I don’t discriminate
February 1st, 2008 at 2:14 am
About: 7. A very disturbing tale
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In Quran there is a story similiar to that one but with major differences:
A town became so sinful, they held wild sex parties. There are few people that rejected that life stlye and one of them is a prophet (I forgot the name). Anyway, one night God sent two angels in form of most handsome man. These men seeks shelter in prophet houses for the night. But townfolks decided to rape those two. Prophet tries to defend. A while later, two men relieve their true identity to prohpet, saying “now you see how disgusting they are? Take the believers with you and leave the town now and never look back. We deal with the crowd”.
So in the end town leveled and good people is saved.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:22 am
This is good stories, thing is that they are wroten to not be understand! so, pray much, much… maybe God helps you to understand!
February 1st, 2008 at 2:34 am
J.Frater, I may do a top10 list for Quran. But since Im muslim, it wont be funny
By the way, Quran also has “3. Even God is proud of his backside”
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In our version, God shows its reflection and Moses overwhelmed with beauty and goes to sleep.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:52 am
I think everyone needs to relax about this list. They were very different times when the Bible was writen. They had merit somehow-but like all things, as time goes by, we evolve our thinking and the meanings of things evolve with us. These tales simply seem ridiculous in the context of our society. Sort of like the reason people say “bless you”-originally, it began because people believed you were sneezing out your soul. Now that sounds pretty ridiculous these days doesn’t it.
So relax. No invalidation of the Bible as a respected and revered book to a lot of people was intended I’m sure. Know your own faith and trust in it. If you do, then let the opinions and chastizing of others roll off your back. You know where you stand in terms of your faith. No one can take that from you.
BTW, I’m not Christian. Just like a little peace is all.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:03 am
Bibledude
“The problem is that the believers want to ram their beliefs down everyone’s neck. Sometimes this is motivated by a desire to save them and more often out of a sense of smug superiority.”
Smug superiority like posting no less than 1,000 times on this particular topic looking to pick a fight with those you deem closed minded and arrogant. Are you trying to debate people or convert them to your way of thinking? You seem to be an intelligent guy…im assuming guy from the dude part of your name, if you are not a guy, my appologies. Why try to pick a fight with us brainwashed fundies? How is it closed minded to believe in a god, wheras it is open minded and enlightened to not believe? Ultimatly nobody is going to make you change your mind, by arguing, just as your not going to change anyone elses mind. What led to this deep seeded hatred? Either way, good luck, and lay off the hate. Your fundie friend.
Ozhan, i would love to read a list on the quaran, i think it would be very informative and just interesting to read, please do it!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:35 am
Dude, your post is #438 here. So how could I have posted “1000times”?
braindeadfundie,
Which part of “blowback” do you not understand?
For decades now you people have been trying to turn the USA in a theocracy, a Xian version of Iran.
So now you are are getting people calling you on your BS.
If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen, son.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:39 am
While reading the tales I was thinking, “Good Lord!” and “Oh God!” which is sort of ironic.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:57 am
bible dude, than you for pointing out my folly of confusing the number 440 with 1000. I was joking bud, of course you didn’t post a thousand times, if you had where would you have the time to find your reputable bible experts? You people seems to be a large planket statment…do you mean christians, white people, people over 6 foot, ect? Please to show me some basis for believing that christianity is turning america into a christian version of iran? You cant just make blanket statments and not back them up. If by heat in the kitchen you mean throwing out vague and innacurate statments then it does seem to be getting a little steamy in here, but i can deal.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:59 am
I am definitely going to do a list on the history of the Bible – from 0 -> now. What fun that will be!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:03 am
that would be an awesome history jfrater, but so long, you are a champion of research and list thanks for all the good reads man, you keep me entertained.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:04 am
Jamie, are you sure you have enough bandwidth? (do they still say “bandwidth?”)
February 1st, 2008 at 4:19 am
braindeadfundie: I am glad you are entertained – that is our aim
Drogo: well – once we get the new cluster set up I am sure we will cope with the backlash
February 1st, 2008 at 4:37 am
In my humble understanding, these verses are not written to satisfy our group of talented people.Those days, they have way of living , thinking and telling stories. World had been here very long time we were born and we can not claim any thing was created or evolutioned because we are coming.
In Southeast Asia, eating balut is as common as the rising sun.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:19 am
Great post. I kinda feel that the “virgin” story rates as the weirdest, though. I mean, come on ! Me thinks Mary was, um, “playing around a bit” and couldn’t tell her parents coz they would have thrashed her to death, so, guess what mom ? I’m a pregnant virgin ! Yeah, right !
February 1st, 2008 at 6:11 am
Bible Dude;
Why are you mean? I don’t agree with fundamentalist religion, and I’ve said so,,,,And I don’t believe the bible is “from” God. I believe the bible is “of” God. And don’t give me no crap about how the bible is of the “church” and not of god…why? Because in the beginning of monotheistic (forget spelling, its’ too early)religion (either jewish or christian) where the hell else did you go to proclaim your faith? where the hell else would our beliefs have evolved from? Even your beliefs. You obviously believe in God, just not the bible. Fine! but you are unnecessarily mean and patronizing and arrogant about it. Stop being such a prick!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:36 am
Ozhan; that’s why my husband always falls asleep right after _____…he’s overcome by my beauty…lol
February 1st, 2008 at 6:38 am
Good grief! I’m gone for 14 hours and the list gets 300 more comments! Well there is no way I am gonna read through all of those.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:01 am
Mystern: they are worth a read – some are very interesting and others are very telling
February 1st, 2008 at 7:08 am
Geez JF, I’m gonna have to spend hours reading all of them . . . I do have a job you know . . . oh well, I guess I’ll get to reading . . .
Now where was it I left off?
February 1st, 2008 at 7:20 am
re orzan #435: that same story is in the Bible in Genesis 19. it was the town of sodom, which was destroyed immediately therafter for it abundance of wickedness.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:21 am
jayfray: why does the comment counter at the top of the page have a higher number than the actual number of comments? it is at 464 now when there are only 454 listed.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:24 am
bibledude: the brainwashedfundie has a point about you trolling for a fight with a, shall we say, less than accomodating attitude. you are over 15% of this list.
csimmons begging for a dvd is probably the only higher percentage.
oh, and jayfray on the drinking lists.:)
February 1st, 2008 at 8:17 am
After reading this, I have only a few thoughts.
1) I wonder what morals George Carlin would’ve pointed out from the stories.
2) I’m glad that my parents didn’t make me go to church and let me choose my own religion.
3) I guess that even Jesus had those days where he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:45 am
As regards number Nine, you write”Ehud is the Bible’s sneakiest assassin (and also the only left-handed person mentioned in the Holy Book).
Read Judges 20:13-16. This passage references “…several hundred chosen me who were left-handed…”
A guess you are a bit loosey goosey with your comments, eh?
February 1st, 2008 at 8:59 am
WOW! The Author is SO wrong on number Six. They attribute this story as 1 Kings 18:25-27. WRONG!
The story is actually from 1 Samuel 18:25-27. Saul demands the death of 100 Philistines at David’s hand, and to prove he has done it, he wants David to bring back 100 foreskins as evidence. David handily accomplishes this, killing 200 Philistines. He then goes on to prominence by waring against the Philistines, ultimately becoming king of Isreal.
Anyone who gets commentary as wrong as this author does, should fear for his own foreskin!!!
February 1st, 2008 at 9:11 am
Natasha – “The Author is SO wrong on number Six. They attribute this story as 1 Kings 18:25-27. WRONG!”
See comments #281 and #290
February 1st, 2008 at 9:12 am
Natasha: no – it is not incorrect. 1 Samuel is actually 1 Kings in the Catholic Bible (which is the most widely used and oldest in the world). 1 Kings in protestant Bibles is the same as 3 Kings in the original Bible.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:27 am
This bible thing is a great way to institute law and order into a society. Maybe we should think about doing this kind of thing and have Tom Cruise as our modern day Jesus.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:59 am
about bibledude trolling, i came to that colclusion yesterday he complains that people are shoving the bible down his throat yet he is one the arguing and everyone else is just defending themselves
but bibledude and the others arguing for the older earth and using carbon dating, carbon dating is a theory, again cannot be proven, just used as a rough estimate without knowing for sure, carbon dating is used by testing carbon levels in something, using the half life of carbon 14 and to get that it is only what we guess based on lab experments in a clean room, not the real world where sceintists even say they don’t know for sure the real half-life of carbon 14 only use averages (the half-life is 5730, so by using carbon dating the oldest you can say something is 11460 years old not millions)
again let me reclaim, i do not belive in religeion, i have my own belefs, i do take them from the bible but i do not take them to follow the vsast majority or becuase my family did, but becuase i found them on my own and choose to follow them and belive in them even after studing lots of sceince
God is alot like the matrix in the aspect of Faith, like what has been stated before, it is impossible to prove scientificly or not to prove His excistence (even Einstein beilived in a higher power)
February 1st, 2008 at 10:03 am
Wow so many comments! This was an awesome list Jfrater! Keep up the good work! I find it funny that people who are so against Christianity and the Bible spend most of their time talking about it! Kind of ironic!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:10 am
Bibledude, now you’re attacking the Agnostics by claiming they’re copping out of answering the “faith” question by not answering at all? No, they’re not, they’re avoiding nasty conversations involving childish name-callers like you! I should know, that’s how I survive my grandmother every Christmas! “No, Grandmum, I haven’t stopped going to church because I don’t believe in God … I just don’t believe in church in general.” Oh yes, that’d go over well.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:12 am
Kittym: that’s why my wife and I stopped going to church.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:16 am
For some reason there seems to be a large consortium of atheists on the Internet. As though they were unable to view there asinine opinions verbally, they are able to voice their disbelief through a computer. And yet, the message is always the same – HATE. Anger and hate towards Christians for a belief. Faith is all about believing in the impossible, taking it on faith that the bible is truth and to follow it is to find Utopia. Of course as you read these passags how can this be? Because other than the Jews, NOBODY pays as much attention to the Old Testament as the New where we learn about Jesus and how he portrayed compassion and NOT chopping a woman into twelve pieces and mailing them to the Tribes oif Israel. Most of these stories are from the Old Testament which means they are old news and no longer practiced, we have moved on. I find it amazing that atheists do not believe because they are convinced we evolved from apes, yet there still are apes who haven’t evolved(?), they have no faith in God because they cannot see Him, well you’ve never an AIDs virus but you believe in it’s existance and finally the beat all to end all, who created God? For some reason, the atheist cannot fathom that God uis the begining as he has taught, the Alpha and the Omega. Period. And if that isn’t good enough, then tell me if today there isn’t a HINT of a breeze and tomorrow the wind is blowing steadily at 20 mph, WHERE did the wind originate? At what exact point on Earth did that wind start? It had to start somewhere doesn’t it? Lastly, when you atheists are at death’s door and you see no light but you hear wretched screaming and moaning and pain and torture, just open the door and enter quietly, nobody will Save you and you will spend eternity as you do alive – without God