The Bible is full of many fascinating tales – many good, and some bizarre – here are the top 10 bizarre tales from the Bible.
10. A lesson for those who dare mock male pattern baldness

Found in: 4 Kings 2:23-24
One of the more inspirational passages in the Bible tells the story of Elijah, a wise man, yet one cursed with male pattern baldness. One day he was minding his own business, making the long walk to Bethel, when he is attacked by a roving band of children who tease him with names like “bald head.” But Elijah was having none of this, he turns round and curses them in the name of the Lord, and instantly two female bears emerge from a nearby wood and maul all 42 children to death.
The moral of this story? Don’t make fun of bald people. Frankly, why this story isn’t included along with the Ten Commandments is anybody’s guess, but I think it would serve as an excellent lesson for children who think baldness is something to be made fun of.
9. Eglon’s ignoble death

Found in: Judges 3:21-25
Ehud is the Bible’s sneakiest assassin (and also the only left-handed person mentioned in the Holy Book). He is on a mission to deliver a “message from God” to smarmy King Eglon. Ehud waltzes in to meet the gluttonous king, pulls out a sword and stabs Eglon in the stomach. At first he can’t get it in, but he pushes harder and eventually reaches his intestine. Eglon is so overweight, we learn, that his fat actually covers the hilt of the sword, pushing it further into his stomach until it’s not even visible. It’s at this point that Eglon loses control of his bowels and begins to defecate mercilessly all over his chamber. The King’s attendants eventually come back, but do not enter Eglon’s bed chamber, assuming he is relieving himself. After waiting “to the point of embarrassment”, his attendants burst in to find their king dead on the floor, covered in his own faecal matter. Meanwhile, Ehud had escaped to the town of Seriah.
The moral of this story? Who cares, but it’s damn cool.
8. Onan – cautious, yet foolish

Found in: Genesis 38:8-10
A story so eponymous, it gave way to its own neologism – onanism, an archaic term for masturbation. Basically, God kills Er. Why? We don’t really find out. However, in a stroke of good luck, Er’s father, Judah, has given you the right, nay the duty, to have sex with your dead brother’s wife. Onan is a bit apprehensive at first, but agrees to go through with this bizarre scheme to create a ‘true heir’ to Er. He begins to have sex with the girl, but at the last minute decides to pull out and spill “his seed upon the ground.” God is so irked he decides to kill Onan too, and thus nobody gets an heir. This story is the basis for the Christian condemnation of masturbation and birth control.
The moral of this story? In the words of Monty Python, “Every sperm is sacred…”
7. A very disturbing tale

Found in: Judges 19:22-30
Within the Bible, one occasionally finds stories so horrible, one can wonder what their purpose is. Not only is this story utterly bizarre, but it is also absolutely disgusting. A man and his concubine are wandering the streets when they decide to seek shelter for the night, and find a man kind enough to let them stay. That night however, a group of men turn up at the door and demand to see the guest so that they may have sex with him. The owner is unwilling to let his male lodger be raped and so offers up his virgin daughter instead. However, this is still not good enough for the men, so the owner offers them his guest’s concubine and the men accept. The men brutally rape the woman and leave her on the doorstep where she bleeds to death. If that is not enough, when she is found by her husband, he chops her up into twelve pieces which he sends to each of the twelve tribes of Israel.
The moral of this story? I would hope none.
6. A novel way to show your love

Found in: 1 Kings 18:25-27
Before Byron, before Casanova, there was David. Young and in love, David desperately wants to marry Saul’s daughter Michal and offers Saul anything he wants to let him marry her. What could Saul possibly want? Money? A vow of love? No. Saul wants foreskins. 100 to be exact. Why? Who cares. If you want my daughter, you’re going to have to find 100 foreskins by tomorrow. David finds this odd, but then again this girl is hot, so he goes out and kills 200 men, and collects their foreskins. It’s only then he remembers that he only needs 100 foreskins. Oops. Oh well, maybe if he hands over twice as many foreskins, Saul will be doubly as impressed. Indeed he is and duly hands over his daughter to David.
The moral of this story? Never be ashamed to do crazy things for love.
5. Like slicing salami

Found in: Exodus 4:24-26
Continuing the Bible’s fascination with all things foreskin, we get the bizarre story of God trying to kill Moses because his son isn’t circumcised. God is about to obliterate Moses when his wife Zipporah takes out a flint and quickly cuts the foreskin of his son (ouch), throwing the bloody skin fragment at Moses’ feet. “You are a bloody husband to me!” squeals Zipporah, flint in one hand, child in other. God, clearly freaked out by this woman, backs off and Moses is saved.
The moral of this story? Never turn down a woman for being a psycho. Someday she may save your life.
4. Jesus and the fig tree

Found in: Matthew 21:19; Mark 11:13-14
So, Jesus is walking from Bethany and he’s feeling a bit peckish. He encounters a fig tree, but unfortunately it is barren as it’s the off season for figs. Annoyed, Jesus demands the fig tree bear him fruit, however the fig tree doesn’t respond (it’s a tree), so Jesus, in an act of uncharacteristic rashness, curses the fig tree to death. This story is bizarre for many reasons, but mainly for how little it means to the Jesus story and how Jesus seems to react so harshly. OK, so he’s hungry, and we all get a little cranky when hungry, but come on, the fig tree had done nothing wrong. This just seems like abuse of powers to me.
The moral of this story? I honestly can’t think of one. This story seems so unimportant and purposeless yet both Mark and Matthew mention it so it must have some importance. The best I can think of is: don’t disobey Jesus, even if you’re an inanimate tree.
3. Even God is proud of his backside

Found in: Exodus 33:23
It’s a big day for Moses. He’s finally going to meet God face to face and is giddy with anticipation. Soon the time comes and Moses positions himself on a rock ready to see the divine creator himself. But God backs out at the last minute claiming that no man can see his face and live. However, he has a solution. He will let Moses have a peek at his backside, “And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.” Moses must be heartbroken. He was hoping to see God’s face not his bottom! Imagine explaining that to the wife: “Oh honey, did you see God’s face?” “Umm not quite…I got a great look at his ass though!” Moses most likely slept alone that night.
The moral of this story? God works in mysterious (and slightly gay) ways.
2. Balaam and his talking donkey

Found in: Numbers 22:28-30
Balaam is just minding his own business, spanking his ass (donkey) when suddenly he hears a voice. It’s his donkey who is asking him why he is spanking him. Balaam doesn’t seem the least bit miffed that his donkey has starting talking in the same language as him and says, “Because thou hast mocked me.” The donkey then gets philosophical and explains the nature of their relationship and how his feelings have been hurt. Eventually they make peace. Oh yeah did I mention it was TALKING DONKEY?
The moral of this story? Don’t beat animals. If they could talk then they would probably tell you how upset they were.
1. Jacob and the case of the magical genetics

Found in: Genesis 30:37-39
And the most bizarre tale in the Bible goes too…this head-scratcher from Genesis, with its utterly bemusing explanation of the genetic code. Basically, Laban is taking all of Jacob’s beloved striped and spotted cattle. Jacob is left with boring old, plain-coloured cattle, which he doesn’t seem to like at all. So Jacob concocts a cunning plan: he gets some sticks and begins painting stripes on them. He then plants them next to his cattle. What Jacob thinks is that if he gets his cattle to look at the striped sticks while copulating, then they will give birth to striped young. Now, we’d all expect this idiotic plan to fail and Jacob to learn a lesson about something or other, but no it actually works. The cattle give birth to striped young, and Jacob is happy. What on earth is going on here? Anyone with the most basic understanding of genetics knows that this is bunk. The odd thing is that this story seems to have no purpose and moral – it’s just there. And I can’t help wondering how many scientists with painted sticks had attempted to repeat this process before Mendel came along and said, “I’m pretty sure that’s not how it’s supposed to happen fellas, why don’t we try this instead?”
The moral of this story? Your guess is as good as mine.
Contributor: JT





January 31st, 2008 at 4:31 am
I am an extremely skilled onanite(?) and I have yet to go blind OR die. In your face, morality!
January 31st, 2008 at 5:00 am
BLASPHEMY!!!….. INFIDEL!!!…
more?…
January 31st, 2008 at 5:01 am
…wow, that’s all I can say. These are the stories that they don’t really teach their kids I guess…wow.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:03 am
Most of these are just creepy. I guess that’s why none of them made it into children’s books, like Noah and the Ark.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:05 am
that was UNREAL!!!
I have never laughed so hard.
Your explanations were SPOT on!
January 31st, 2008 at 5:09 am
For #4 on the list: Godhatesfigs.com.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:12 am
Haha, this list is awesome. Those stories are so damn wierd. For #4, whatever happened to Jesus being benevolant and loving?? Doesn’t sound like a much of a saviour to me if he gets pissy over a fig tree!
The morals made me laugh, especially the “The moral of this story? God works in mysterious (and slightly gay) ways” one!
January 31st, 2008 at 5:18 am
/gets popcorn
Man, this should be a great comment section. If it doesn’t set a record, then I’ll lose my faith in the evangelical right wing of America.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:20 am
re #5
Is that where they got the name for Zippo lighters?
January 31st, 2008 at 5:21 am
#6 Can you picture this in your head?
David is done collecting. Goes to Saul’s place. Says “Got what you wanted”. Saul goes “Lemme see” David gives him the bag of foreskins. Saul takes them out and starts counting “That’s one, that’s two, that’s three. Hey, is this a complete foreskin? I’m not counting it. I think you’re trying to cheat me. Not counting this one either, it’s pretty ripped up. I don’t see any value in it. This is a pretty good one. We’ll put in our Top Ten Foreskins pile, then I’m gonna make a display. People got this thing for Top Ten’s”
January 31st, 2008 at 5:30 am
Steven; rofl – very clever and so early in the morning too
jfrater; great list! I would be curious as to how the fundamentalist/bible is the literal truth folks would explain your examples.
also I heard on the news this am that Nancy Cartwright (Bart Simpson) gave $10 Million to the cos. Damn even ruined the Simpson’s for me. Sad when the cartoon character has more common sense than the actor. oh and they are gonna honour her in a “Private Award Ceremony”. Lord even the catholics gave up the money for salvation thing.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:36 am
Maybe when the CoS is as rich as the catholic church they will give it up too. The catholic church is supposedly the richest organization in the world, surpassing any of the multinational corporations. The Basilica has the world’s most highly valued art collection.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:05 am
Some of these have GOT to be added by ancient pranksters.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:16 am
Gotta say – I am curious to see how many people go crazy over this one
January 31st, 2008 at 6:26 am
JT:
Fantastic list.
In regards to #4, Jesus and the fig tree–you left out one salient point that makes it even a little weirder. I don’t have a copy of the Bible in front of me right now, so I can’t quote verbatim, but I remember this one well… in essence the Bible explains that Jesus approached the fig tree, wanting figs, as he was hungry… but, the Bible adds at this point, *it was not the time for figs*…i.e., it was the wrong time of year! Then the Big Guy proceeds to curse the tree and it (says the Bible) “withered.”
Nice. What it means, I have no idea.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:35 am
Randall: From entry #4: “it is barren as it’s the off season for figs”
January 31st, 2008 at 6:37 am
Funny stuff, especially the sin of Onan.
I believe #4 is supposed to show that as followers of Christ you are supposed to do good deeds. “bearing fruit” is often a euphemism of in the bible for doing good deeds. This is why the barren, fruitless fig tree was cursed. Jesus was just making a particularly strong point (albeit a tad weird)
As for the rest of the stuff, I don’t really have time to explain it right now, and most of it IS indeed quite weird (though a few points are misrepresented)
Jesus is the most important figure anyway. Some websites, like tektonics.org and christian-thinktank.com have answers to questions/points made above.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:38 am
Wow! Great list!
There’s a reason why I never believed in this crap. The bible was written as a way to forumlate laws and rules and to control people. It is more than outdated, even the new testament. It is obsurd to take anything from the bible as literal.
I didn’t realize that there was necrophelia (sp?) in the bible… I’m surprised someone hasn’t used that one to change the law in the US to allow for that sort of thing, as fundamentalists tend to do.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:39 am
If you took the time to study the bible you would find the meanings for all these stories. Its absurd to guess at what they mean when the answers are so clear. Not a good list!
January 31st, 2008 at 6:43 am
dango:
Jesus… how’d I miss that? uh…. sorry JT…. my mistake.
(hope I didn’t piss somebody off upstairs…)
January 31st, 2008 at 6:43 am
Bah! Mocking the bible is blasphemy. Though quite fun nevertheless.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:45 am
(IMO)
Not a great list at all…frankly, i am embarrassed for having read the entire article. I expect to be struck by lightning anytime now. But, in all fairness, some of these stories are hard to grasp the point, or moral. I suggest a good NIV study Bible if someone is actually serious about learning what these mean.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:46 am
there is also one in ezekiel around chapter 22 or so about the two adultress or concubine women who chase the army men. They say in one verse that their emissions were like horses and hung like them too. I am being too lazy to look it up for exact words but it’s in there.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:50 am
jwbm- I didn’t see necrophilia… perhaps you are thinking about #8. He is supposed to have sex with the dead BROTHERS wife, not the dead wife. But I read it wrong first too.
jfrater- GREAT list! I’ve always loved unusual Bible stories, its interesting what you find in “the book.”
January 31st, 2008 at 6:52 am
This site: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm attempts to question the Bible and offers explanations to some of the weirder verses.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:54 am
Amanda – Yep, Duh. You’re right. LOL Still doesn’t convince me of anything though. LOL
January 31st, 2008 at 6:55 am
I laughed with tears, am still laughing in fact!
January 31st, 2008 at 7:02 am
Guess you all will find out the answers to these riddles when you’re basking in the 7th circle of Dante’s easy bake. Get’s kinda muggy down there. Or enjoy skiing on the lake of fire. Wheeeee!
Don’t forget to slather on some Coppertone! You won’t want to let a little scorch ruin your fun!
Pagans!
January 31st, 2008 at 7:04 am
Bucslim: Meh. My son would never do anything like that. (My son’s name is D’ante)
January 31st, 2008 at 7:10 am
HAHAHA…that lego picture was so damn funny….
January 31st, 2008 at 7:15 am
Shabab: It’s part of the the Brick Testament: http://thebricktestament.com/
January 31st, 2008 at 7:19 am
And we think Scientology is wierd…
January 31st, 2008 at 7:36 am
#28: Dante eh? Was he there in Clerks?
January 31st, 2008 at 7:39 am
Nope. His name is spelled the French way, though not pronounced the French way. He’s a bit young for clerks too. Right now he’s more interested in eating his shoes and watching cartoons. That and dice. He’s gonna be a gamer like his parents.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:46 am
Great list… very very funny!
Definitely have to check out the brick testament later.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:47 am
heavy bison, yes, even Anne Frank knows that.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:48 am
Great list!! Now when my daughter asks why we don’t go to church or read the bible, I will just show her this list. This should illustrate my “most religions are crazy and have nothing to offer” point.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:01 am
Sweet, a list full of ignorant mocking of biblical texts without any understanding on the part of the mockers about context or anything of that sort! Way to go! I’m so glad we live in a society where being PC guarantees respect for all ideas!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:09 am
I think # 10 should be Elisha and not Elijah. Eliseus is Elisha and Elias is Elijah
January 31st, 2008 at 8:09 am
If you take a religon too seriously you become a terrorist or a “fundie” that pickets funerals or holds live poisonous snakes.Sad sad sad.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:10 am
ok. i guess i’ll be the one to take up defense.
i absolutely agree that these stories are bizarre. but let’s remember that context, author’s original intent and societal customs all play a role in properly understanding the point of these stories. and to add a presupposition, everything in the Bible is there for a reason.
i have a masters degree in theology. i say this only as a means to convey that i have studied biblical hermeneutics and realize the problem with stories and verses out of context.
i’ll just try to explain one instead of the whole list.
#7 – there is a similar story in Genesis 19 where a band of criminals demand that a host release his guest so that they can be raped. this directly proceeds God destroying the entire city, Sodom, save for one family.
if you continue to read past the appointed section, i.e. ch 20, you will see that the reason that the man of the story “divided her (the dead girl), limb by limb, into twelve pieces, and sent her throughout all the territory of israel” was to call the nation to war against the men of the town that did this thing. ch 20:1 says “then all the people of israel came out, from dan to beersheba (extreme north israel to extreme south, i.e. everyone) including the land of gilead, and the congregation assembled as one man.” the people are outraged at the benjamites, the perpetrators, and it has sparked civil war.
the moral of the story, don’t do this crap or there are severe consequences.
and i agree, the picture of the spilled seed is hilarious. i love brick testament.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:15 am
I grapple a lot with some of the episodes above, and while I have not found “answers” to them per se, I am not sure an answer would suffice. It’s like asking why in the midsty of suffering. Would any answer really help? I do think scripture has what appears to be contradictions, only because we are uncomfortable with paradoxes. And I think long, careful study of these scriptures (including the original languages, lexicons, historical context, etc) may lend more insight. But since we are applying our post-enlightenment mind-set to scripture, we are expecting things to stand up to reason and objective criteria, etc.
I think the problem comes when we look at these stories and assume they are rules or morals to live by. The Bible is a complete narrative of the history of God and His dealings with people, and I think problems come as soon as we take sections out of context. I think that’s a lot like reading any other book.
As far as I understand my faith, being a Christian means following the teachings of Christ. And that means filtering all other things, including the whacky Old Testament stories, through my faith in Him. I think there is room to struggle. I am enrolled in seminary now, so I hope I can work through some of these issues. Then again if they are all resolved, I guess that doesn’t involve too much faith, does it?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:17 am
and just as a side note… the douay-rheims bible translation that the links go to is not a very faithful translation. there are alot of politics involved in their decisions. for a less biased work, go to biblegateway.com and choose either the NASB or ESV.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:17 am
Here’s a question for you, Jfrater, should the 40th commenter get a free Bible?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:17 am
Remember, onanism may be used as a term for masturbation, but his crime was clearly early withdrawal. This is the first recorded case of a ’substantial penalty for early withdrawal.”
January 31st, 2008 at 8:18 am
JLo: no! The coffers will be totally empty before long
January 31st, 2008 at 8:19 am
The passages all have specific meanings that can be derived from the story and surrounding context. read more than just the sentence and you will understand better. And #7 is not about necrophilia, the brother is dead, not the woman. Read carefully, heathen. (lol)
January 31st, 2008 at 8:19 am
DiscHuker: the DR is used by all English speaking Catholics and is an honest translation of the Latin Catholic bible – as Catholics are the largest majority of Christians (by more than twice the total number) I figured it okay to use
JT didn’t include links – just chapter and verse – I added the links.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:20 am
Oh – and please guys – this list is not meant to mock Christianity or religious people – it is MEANT to be funny because of the very fact that the stories are taken out of context. Of course the context and history makes most of them clear – but then it wouldn’t be a fun list would it?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:21 am
Now my comments are showing. I double posted because I couldn’t see them. Sorry…
January 31st, 2008 at 8:22 am
jfrater- so your saying you are deliberately provoking us??? :-O *wink*
January 31st, 2008 at 8:25 am
I do think that some of the stories in the bible may be outdated, as the new testament replaced alot of old ideals with more practical and less…uh…traumatic (?) solutions.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:26 am
Btw, for those wondering about the Fig Tree – the true moral of that one is that if a tree bears no fruit (ie, a religion does not do good for man) then it should be cursed (ie, thrown away) – early Christian thought on it was that it may have been a reference to Judaism having become so entangled in laws that there was no “love” or justice left in it (it was not bearing any fruit).
January 31st, 2008 at 8:27 am
JF: Really? I thought it was a prophecy about CoS
January 31st, 2008 at 8:27 am
What kills me about story number #7 is that it’s repeated!! Later on or right before there is the story about Lot being warned by two angels of the fall of Sodom. Then the men of the city want to “know” the angels and Lot tells them they can’t have the guests but he has two daughters who have yet to “know” men and they can have them instead. So the worst part of this horrible terrible story is that is was so important that it had to be told twice with different characters!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:27 am
you are right jayfray, but that doesn’t mean that politics weren’t involved.
the translation that i grew up with, King James, has the same problems.
when people sit down to translate and they come across something that is in opposition to current practice, something has to give. sadly, it is hardly ever current practice.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:28 am
Mystern: hah – I half wrote another comment referring to that and deleted it! But yes – I think it can be taken as the tacit approval of God to “curse” the CoS
longball: that is weird – for some reason your comments are going to moderation and I have to approve them – weird. Oh – and I wouldn’t EVER try to provoke anyone….
January 31st, 2008 at 8:30 am
DiscHuker: I really like the translation of the DR and am not aware of any politics – it was written in France away from the revolutionaries in a monastery – so there was no fear of death etc for the people involved. The version I used is the Challoner (I think) version which was a revision done in the 1800s far long after the period in which it was originally translated so that should have fixed any problems that might have been there because of timing.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:31 am
jf- how do i fix that?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:32 am
Sorry – Challoner version was 18th century, not the 1800s
January 31st, 2008 at 8:32 am
jfrater: Oh come on, you knew this would stir the pot!
longball: My mistake was already pointed out, and that’s Ms. Heathen to you!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:35 am
Well, no wonder all the stories are weird…their “source” is the Catholic Bible, which is quite possibly the least accurate English translation in existence, even worse than the KJV. Not to mention that it includes books that aren’t considered to be part of the Bible in most Christian circles.
But it does make for an interesting article. The only thing I’d change is #2. The context of that story makes it even more interesting. Numbers 22:21-33
January 31st, 2008 at 8:36 am
longball: I don’t know – it is very weird. I am happy to approve them in the meantime while I do some research
Cyrus: the stories are all in the protestant version of the Bible – I just linked the chapters and verses to the Catholic bible – which predates the protestant Bible by one and a half thousand years
January 31st, 2008 at 8:38 am
oh – and Cyrus: the Orthodox and Catholics consider the books you referred to as part of the canon (as it was defined in 300AD by the Catholic council of Nicaea) – the rest of the Christians in the world are about 1/3 the size of the Catholics and Orthodox combined – which means a minority of Christians do not consider them to be part of the Bible – the vast majority do.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:38 am
the story of elijah being mocked as always been my favorite, i don’t know why, but i just love the idea of him getting revenge on such a grand scale.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:40 am
am i the only one you have to approve? must be one His mysteriously slightly gay ways of working…
January 31st, 2008 at 8:41 am
longball: on this list yes – it is going to spam and I am marking them as not-spam which is meant to teach the spam filter to allow them – so hopefully that will fix itself.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:42 am
should i try another list and see if the problem is persistent?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:44 am
Geez longball! Stop spamming the comments!
just kidding
January 31st, 2008 at 8:44 am
4 Kings is not. The Apocrypha is not considered by Protestants to be part of the Bible. The problem with the Catholic Bible has nothing to do with age and everything to do with how it was translated and when.
The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew. Middle Eastern languages are difficult to perfectly translate into western languages (like English) anyways, but the Catholic church translated it into Latin first. Everytime you translate something, you have a certain amount of error to it. It was also translated during a time when politics were a huge part of the church, and who knows how much that corruption influenced the translators. Well, it stayed that way for 1500 years until the Latin Vulgate (the Catholic Bible) was translated into English. So, they translate ancient modes of Latin into modern English, resulting in more inaccuracies.
The Protestant bibles are taken directly from the Hebrew texts, and therefore have less translation inaccuracies.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:49 am
Jesus told me for all of you to give me a million dollars. Now don’t disobey him now!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:50 am
And the reason the Apocrypha is not included in Protestant Bibles is because it is the only section of the Bible that contradicts itself, so it was removed. The sections that remained were the Hebrew bible (albeit in a different order), the Gospels, and the Epistles.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:52 am
Cyrus: 4 Kings is what protestants call 2 Kings – it is not an apocryphal book even for protestants. The Old Testament used by Jesus was the LXX – that is the version that the Catholic Old Testament was based on – in 1500 Luther etc. decided to go with books that the Jews decided should be in the canon – they decided that after Christ died – probably at the Council of Javneh. The Vulgate translation appeared in the 400s – what were the politics that effected its translation?
In the first 200 years of Christianity, people such as Cyprian of Carthage, Hippolytus, Irenaeus, Polycarp of Smyrna, the Didache, and Barnabas, to name a few, all quoted from the so-called apocrypha – this is as early as 70AD (only 40 years after Christ died) – that is a lot of very important people who considered them to be canonical.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:55 am
Oops – made a mistake – the Vulgate was translated directly from Hebrew not the LXX. St Jerome finished the translation around 405 AD. He had copies of the Hebrew text that are no longer extant. If you learn to speak Latin you can’t really get much closer to the original than the Vulgate.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:56 am
Cyrus: obviously the most important men after the Apostles in the early Church didn’t think there were contradictions or problems in the apocrypha otherwise they would not have used them as definite texts
January 31st, 2008 at 8:57 am
Yo… hilaaaarious list. My coworkers think i’m nuts for having a laugh-storm in my cubicle… foreskin party at my house! Bring the Holy Book and a sharp rock and crunchy Cheetos!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:01 am
Cyrus: oh – one other point – you do know that the first English translation of the bible was not in the 1500s don’t you? For example there is the Lindisfarne gospels – translated to English in the 8th century (Lindisfarne is in England). There was another in the 10th century as well.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:05 am
See, we don’t need all these weak ways of teaching our kids, we need bears in the schools!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:06 am
ProgRapture: hahah – hear hear
January 31st, 2008 at 9:14 am
I laughed with tears half hour, am still laughing in fact!
Bible is so ridiculous book!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:23 am
Manuel- i believe #10 was a lesson in ridicule and laughter…enjoy the bears!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:26 am
The best list ever!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:30 am
i bet parents and school teachers the world over wish they had a pack of bears at their disposal to call on disrespectful kids.
just one mauling a year would take care of most discipline problems, right?
January 31st, 2008 at 9:33 am
DiscHuker: works for me
January 31st, 2008 at 9:34 am
Great list!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:41 am
BTW: three comments ago we reached 28,000 comments!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:43 am
hey jfrater, why have you changed 2 kings to 4 kings? I didn’t even know that there was a 4 Kings…
Oh and the source Bible I used for this was the KJV guys in case you were wondering.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:45 am
JT: to correspond to the Book names used in the DR version (which is what I linked each of the chapters and verses to)
January 31st, 2008 at 9:45 am
I prefer the Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker versions of the Bible where it’s ok to masterbate in front of a skank, and then to actually do the skank. Just ask for forgivness and all is better.
Or even the Ted Haggard version where it’s ok to preach against homosexuality then go get some meth and go for it with another dude for three years. Or perhaps the Catholic version where it’s ok to impersonate Uncle Ernie while you fiddle about.
Much of the problem with “American” Christianity isn’t the Bible, it’s with some of the idiots we call pastor.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:47 am
jfrater: you should have an honorable mention for the 30,000th commenter!
January 31st, 2008 at 9:50 am
dangorironhide: alas the admin control panel doesn’t tell me who that was!
bucslim: I would agree with you on that.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:52 am
JF: That would be easy to figure out just take a look when the 30k comment was reached and then look ath the most recent comments on the homepage.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:53 am
hahah .. .a damn funny list …
weird interpretations though ..
all da religions of the world have few weird stories … of coz they were written centuries .. n smtimes millennia back …
January 31st, 2008 at 9:54 am
Mystern: True! It was comment #83 on this list by Amber! Well done Amber
January 31st, 2008 at 9:57 am
jwbm2525; I disagree with you, I don’t believe in any particular organized religion, but they all have something to offer. Friendship and fellowship and the here comes the big one – FAITH
Some people have a need for it. I would suggest you help your daughter to learn about different ones, so that she doesn’t end up a scientologist or something worse.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:58 am
I’m glad everyone is taking this list with a grain of salt.
OH WAIT.
Haha, the first one with the bald dude was totally written by a man who had that done to him and was pissed that there was no revenge on the kids. He was like “I’ll show those little bastards what God says about making fun of bald people!” He’s the Mr. Wilson of the Bible (Mr. Wilson of Dennis the Menace fame, natch).
January 31st, 2008 at 10:01 am
Good morning Mom424. I was wondering when you were going to start adding your 38 cents
January 31st, 2008 at 10:04 am
I say there be a list on bible stories that are no longer relevant. Like animal/human sacrifice for forgiveness, gender discrimination, and such.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:06 am
I think the moral to number one is make lemonade when the world gives you lemons. Or maybe it is promoting watching good looking people while reproducing and even ugly people can produce better looking kids.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:07 am
So does the 100th comment get Onan porn?
January 31st, 2008 at 10:08 am
I thought it was Lego Porn . . .
January 31st, 2008 at 10:08 am
Most Christians wouldn’t be if they actually READ the bible… but, hey, that takes to long and the pastor only picks out the good stuff. To bad they don’t know the bible promotes slavery, infanticide, killing out the ass, and oh yeah, women aren’t allowed to teach. Ever.
Oh well, informed people are a pipe dream.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:10 am
jayfray, since we have many christians/catholics/atheists etc, why not do a list of the top 10 best things about each? we have seen many negatives, lets try to figure out why people enjoy what they believe. i’d be happy to write the one about christianity if people from other faiths would also join in.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:13 am
DiscHuker: not a bad idea at all. BTW, Catholics are Christians – they have been around for well over 1,000 years prior to modern Christianity
January 31st, 2008 at 10:13 am
Wow – over 100 comments in such a short time!
January 31st, 2008 at 10:15 am
The bible also says you can’t shave or wear fabric blends, (no cotton-poly for you!) and if you commit adultery, the two of you should be stoned to death. And the whole slave thing, it’s not just owning slaves is okay and they’re your property, but you can buy your neighbor to become your slave… I wonder if all those anti-gay groups preaching those Leviticus passages have ever even read Leviticus once and took notice of how preposterous and dated the whole thing is.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:15 am
So how should we deal with these and other bizarre scriptural (it is safe to assume that weird and morally questionable tales exist within every other scripture) fables?
I’m a Lit major but my authority goes out the window when things are taken RELIGIOUSLY seriously. What do we do about people taking an entire book (a collection of short stories combined with [barbaric] ancient law) so seriously when it often ends up hurting -and even sometimes- killing?
January 31st, 2008 at 10:19 am
hahahaha! great list….i know most of the back grounds for these stories and know what they mean…but still, very funny.
i went to catholic school until i reach college age and believe me, even though they were teaching us what this stuff meant to our religion, there were lots of giggle fests in class because some of this stuff is really bizzarro… i think we skipped the 100 foreskins part….i guess telling that to 30 14-year-olds didn’t really appeal to my theo teacher….its too bad david killed all those people any way, michal ended up being a huge bitch.
also…cyrus, the catholic bible isn’t any less wrong or right than other christian bibles, its a text of faith…and of course the translations may have gotten a bit messy…but different sects have taken out and put back in different books because of politics and to better support what their particular sect teaches.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:22 am
i don’t know if we want to stir this pot, but wasn’t the reformation all about the catholic church not being “christian”? (and i use that term to mean christ like, not in the modern usage to mean a certain group)
January 31st, 2008 at 10:27 am
here is the main verse that gives me the giggles, Deuteronomy 25:11
“when men fight with one another and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. your eye shall have no pity.”
i think all men would agree to this law.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:30 am
It says a lot that such a controversial list like this is totally left alone by the die-hard nuts, because with every entry there’s a reference to the Bible; i.e. they can’t think for themselves without written back up from a so-called-truth.
The best list yet in my opinion. Death to idiocy.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:31 am
I find it funny that christian religions can not even agree with each other on the teachings from the Bible. They all think their interpretation is correct and the others are going to hell for not believing as they do. I think if we have the top 10 reasons I am a (religion inserted here)list, you would need to have someone do one for each of the different Christian ones. Some might be very similar. Or maybe someone will learn that their religion is not quite as far off as the ones they are condeming.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:33 am
Good List. I’ve seen #1 used as a example of recessive genetics explained before anyone knew what it was: ie, stripes are recessive and skipped that generation, only to show up in the next.
Oh, and the moral to #3 is great.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:33 am
I have checked with my pastor and he tells me that these stories (and a few others you did not mention) were added to the Bible in the 16th century by people seeking to discredit the Holy Word of God.
You will not find these stories in the original Hebrew version of the Bible. That’s why they are not studied by true Christians.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:36 am
anton lefevre: time to change churches then – your pastor is lying to you (or he is just ignorant of truth) – you can look at copies of the Bible from long before the 16th century and you will find all of these stories in them – you might start with the Septuagint – the Greek version that predates the time of Christ – they are all in there too.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:37 am
Oh – and anton: one of the stories is from the New Testament – that was written in Greek and Latin originally – not Hebrew.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:37 am
“I have checked with my pastor and he tells me that these stories (and a few others you did not mention) were added to the Bible in the 16th century by people seeking to discredit the Holy Word of God.”
And you believed that story from your pastor?
January 31st, 2008 at 10:39 am
I always believe pastors. Especially when they tell me they want to see my pepe.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:41 am
see my previous post. pfft.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:47 am
anton lefevre- i remember learning stories 2 and 3 in Hebrew school. just sayin’.
this damn pacific time is putting me behind!! i woke up and checked this site and already there were 100 comments! how am i ever going to be first?
and i love this list by the way. and the first comment was pretty funny.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:49 am
I dunno — isn’t the weirdest story in the bible the one about the God who had to die to make His father forgive people for something they didn’t actually do themselves, except his father was really Himself and could have done the forgiving all on His own, without needless torture and bloodshed and death? There’s even a real multiple personality scene, where the God is on a cross and yells up at Himself about forsaking Him(self)?
Or am I thinking about a different and polytheistic religion, where gods talking to other gods would be normal?
January 31st, 2008 at 10:52 am
Mornin’ Mystern and other fellow travellers…
I’ve been up for ages, and I really try only to comment when I have something to say,,,unfortunately I almost always have something to say
My gift and my curse
January 31st, 2008 at 10:53 am
anton: I trust my parents more than anyone, and they told me the story of Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Pastor???? Get a grip!
January 31st, 2008 at 10:54 am
What a hoot. I must say you’ve outdone yourself jfrater. The one about the guy offering his virgin daughter to the gang of bisexual rapists takes the cake.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:57 am
anton- what religion do you claim as your own? curious as to what bible they read?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:00 am
You too can see God’s butt, just like Moses in #3. Michaelangelo was gracious enough to paint it in all its glory on the Sistine Chapel ceiling:
NSFC (not safe for church)
January 31st, 2008 at 11:05 am
Hmmm, most of these have the horrible fallacy of selective reading or simple ignorance of the culture of the times.
10. Elisha had shaved his head because his predecessor Elijah had just been taken into heaven. Shaving one’s head was a sign of mourning back then. Thus, when Elisha was mocked by a mob of youths (probably teenagers by the original language’s meaning), they were not only making fun of his mourning but disgracing his predecessor Elijah. Both men were prophets, agents for God and as the saying goes, God does not like to be mocked.
9. This is an interesting story but none that really gives a relevant moral. Weird stuff happens all the time in history. Judges was a book written as history and such some weird things will turn up. Perhaps a closer reading would yield further meaning.
8. Back in the day, your family was your life. Without children, you could not pass on your inheritance, your name would die and your wife would be left with nothing. As such, if a husband died before having children, the husband’s brother was obligated to provide children for the family. This was not merely a religious practice, it was a practical matter widely used throughout the ANE (Ancient Near East). The reason God was pissed at Onan wasn’t because he masturbated, it was cause he did not fulfill his duty to provide his sister in law with children.
7. This story is obviously not meant to be used for moral teaching and instruction. It serves as an example of wickedness and evil. Furthermore, it should be noted that hospitality in the ANE was a major obligation. Thus, a guest was protected so much so that even the owner’s own life came secondary. It’s also worth noting that this account is very similar to the story of Sodom and Gamorrah.
6. Umm, this story isn’t in the bible. 1 Kings 18 has to do with Elijah challenging the priests of Baal. Even if the story was in the bible, I really don’t understand how it could be meant to taught anything other than the craziness of King Saul.
5. It was important for the Jews to set themselves apart from other people, especially (in the context of this story) the Egyptians. God introduced circumcision as a means to distinguish the Jewish people from all others. It was especially worth noting that in this short verse, it is right after the plague of killing the first born children . Again, I don’t see any moral instruction in this very short story.
4. Ah, the meaning of the withered fig tree. This story is actually quite powerful. Essentially, Jesus is illustrating to His disciples that when God calls you to do something, you cannot simply say “I am not in season” i.e. “I don’t want to now, maybe later.”
3. I don’t know what you are talking about, the translation I’m reading (NIV) says “and you will see my back.” So… yeah, that doesn’t mean butt.
2. Actually, Balaam was a pagan prophet. God was trying to get his attention through his donkey. In the previous verses, the donkey keeps stopping because it sees an angel while Balaam ignores it. Sometimes God likes to get people’s attention.
1. Wrong again sir, there is a great difference between the Bible describing a bunko process and endorsing it as true. The story here is that Jacob’s buddy Laban is cheating him out of livestock. By Jacob’s own admission in Genesis 31:9, it is GOD who made the process work, not his own superstition.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:07 am
bruno- i think selective reading was part of the fun.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:08 am
bucslim; hear, hear! See my above comment about not believeing in any particular religion. The obvious hypocrisy is exactly why. And imo fundamentalist anything is dangerous.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:08 am
I’m still laughing over #2. That’ll teach you to smack asses I suppose…
January 31st, 2008 at 11:09 am
mobmij: Fair comment.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:10 am
bruno; that was the point, and it proves that any crack-pot who wants to set up his own cult/religion can find justification for their beliefs….
see my above post
January 31st, 2008 at 11:14 am
Yeah, but as evidenced by the reaction by everyone on these posts, most people see these as actually pertinent to what Jews/Christians believe.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:15 am
This is a great list. I should point out that finding the moral in a story is answering the wrong question.
More appropriate questions are:
Who was this story written for?
Why was it written the way it was?
What were the authors trying to say?
The purpose of many of these stories is not to get us to come to an answer, but to embark on a journey of discovery. The answer isn’t the point, it’s the discovery that comes with an honest and thoughtful dialog on the many aspects.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:22 am
What a list… it is fun to read the comments…
I will just have to say comment #28 bucslim… Not everyone who does not follow the Bible is Pagan. Paganism is not a bad religion. Yes there are those who claim to be and give a bad look on the religion. But that holds true with all religions. It is the flaw of humanity, not the flaw of the religion.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:23 am
Bruno is my hero!
January 31st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Boy I can just imagine how much controversy this list is going to cause. Can we just agree to be civil and not call other people’s religions false or stupid? Everyone has their own beliefs and calling names is just going to cause fights to break out. Religion doesn’t make sense, atheism doesn’t make sense, let’s just agree to disagree. Can’t we all just get along!? =)
January 31st, 2008 at 11:34 am
Us listversers should start a religion of our own and the listbook (our version of the bible) should contain the steamiest aspects of all religions.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:37 am
Mystern; see why I shut up earlier….so hear goes..
I believe that faith is a personal matter and shouldn’t be worn on the sleeve. I don’t believe I have all the answers nor does any religion. Just as long as they keep trying to figure it out, in the spirit that I believe god intended; faith, tolerance and love for our fellow man. You do realize that I’ve cut out all fundementalists by that statement. Tolerance and Love,,,thats not what they are about.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:39 am
Good stuff!Does is surprise anyone that the only comeback bible believers can offer is that OUR interpretation of scripture is wrong? “Well, if you had someone explain how you should interpret this obscure text, it would be clear…” Can’t you say that about anything? That’s a cop out. That’s like arguing what the meaning of “IS” is. God should have hired someone better to write his autobiography for him!
If passages are not obvious to everyone, then how does one group KNOW for a fact their interpretation is more correct than the other’s?? It is all justification and rationalizing to support their beliefs/world-view. If this book had been written better, and the rules were clear maybe there wouldn’t be hundreds of different religious sects all with a slightly different “interpretation”. What hubris we humans have to decide what to keep and what to discard and how to interpret the Bible, if it were truly a sacred document.
Face it, all religion is circular reasoning by a group of people used to justify the world-view they happen to “want” to be true. Now let me get back to my fig pie!!
January 31st, 2008 at 11:40 am
Mom429: And no mention of Truth? Why must faith be sequestered to the nether regions of a person with it never being expressed or discussed?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:41 am
Mom429: And no mention of Truth? Why must faith be sequestered to the nether regions of a person with it never being expressed or discussed?
And I think you are making a gross generalization about “fundamentalists”. If by fundamentalist you mean someone who ACTUALLY believes in Jesus and wants to follow Him, I think you’re way off by that statement.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:44 am
TheGreatOnan: So the bible should have been written for you personally?
Taking into account the historical circumstances, the type of writing and the intended audiences is important when interpreting the meaning of ANYTHING. Yes, anything.
In fact, I think if the bible connected anymore with modern people it would be pretty questionable if it was actually written by the people it purports to be written by. Obviously a lot has changed in the past 2000 years.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:53 am
What’s truly hilarious is how people in these times think they are so smart and superior to people 3000 years ago. I can has txt messages so bibul iz stoopid.
Your great, great, great, great grandfather wasn’t stupid. When you realize that you’ve rejected his religion for your own (agnosticism, atheism, humanism, etc.) you’ll foresee that, one day, a few thousand years from now, your great, great grandchildren will roll with laughter at how stupid and simple minded you were.
By the way, Jacob was screwed over by his father in law, Laban, on several occasions and was about to be screwed over by him again. The genetic spotting that occurred allowed Jacob to leave Laban’s house with the wives, concubines, and flock of sheep he needed to appease his disgusting brother Esau, who was coming to kill him. For those of you that are laughing at spotted sheep coming from solid sheep, keep in mind that 1) genetic mutations do happen and 2)Jacob served as Laban’s shepherd for over 20 years. He knew exactly what he was doing.
So suck it, pagans.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:09 pm
ck: “Everyone has their own beliefs and calling names is just going to cause fights to break out. Religion doesn’t make sense, atheism doesn’t make sense, let’s just agree to disagree.”
don’t you see the problems imbedded in this type of statement. you follow saying not to call names with “religion doesn’t make sense”. isn’t that name calling?
and tolerance is the highest virtue? isn’t saying that you will not tolerate those that are intolerant slightly off-kilter?
why is it wrong to state your beliefs with authority? people have done it all over this list and only a few of those are traditionally religious beliefs. to say that religion is false and that God doesn’t exist and that the Bible is erroneous is an exclusive statement. this is what the current post-modern belief system hates, yet it is par for the course when bashing religion. to make these statements you have to have be omniscient. you have to know everything in the world to make exclusive statements about the nature of what exists and what doesn’t.
i have no problem with people doing that. but let’s not accuse the other side of being exlusive and closed minded when everyone is making statement that fall into that category.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I’m not even touching this one.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Philippians 2:9-11
Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and granted him a name, that which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly and earthly and infernal beings, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to God the Father’s glory.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
1 Corintians 1:20-25
For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but to us that are saved it is God’s power. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and set aside the understanding of the understanding ones. Where is the wise? where scribe? where disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom has not known God, God has been pleased by the foolishness of the preaching to save those that believe. Since Jews indeed ask for signs, and Greeks seek wisdom; but *we* preach Christ crucified, to Jews an offense, and to nations foolishness; but to those that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ God’s power and God’s wisdom. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Do not mock what you do not understand,
Peace
January 31st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Reminder Kids: Jesus is an imaginary friend for adults.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
If you really want to know why Jesus cursed the fig tree, have a look at The Desire of Ages, by Ellen G. White. It is clearly and eloquently described.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
“He came down to earth as an incarnation of Himself, to sacrifice Himself to Himself in order to forgive His people, who he made in the image of Himself, and save them from the wrath of–wait for it!!!–HIMSELF!!!”
January 31st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Wow. An SDA on the site?
January 31st, 2008 at 12:37 pm
“We are all atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” — Stephen Roberts
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.”
–Seneca
About 15 centuries later, Edward Gibbon wrote: “The various modes of worship which prevailed in the Roman Empire were considered by the people as equally true, by the philosopher as equally false, and by the magistrate as equally useful.”
“Religion is what keeps the poor man from murdering the rich.” – Napolean Bonaparte
“When I think of the number of unpleasant people I know who claim to be going to a ‘better world’, I’m moved to lead a more sinful life.
Remember, heaven for the climate, hell for the society.”
- Samuel Langhorn Clemens
January 31st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
“If the Bible and my brain are both the work of the same Infinite God, whose fault is it that the book and my brain do not agree?” –Robert G. Ingersoll
January 31st, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I happen to enjoy the posts about tolerance and love too. I find it humorous that they exclude fundamentalists from their tolerance and love.
How very enlightened indeed.
This started with Martin Luther and others when they interpreted the Bible into common languages. In fact – for the person sitting into the pew to interpret for himself. In effect a rebellion against the Catholic hierarchy’s spoon feeding them based upon church tradition and papal directives.
Now anyone with a polyester suit, perfectly coifed hair and a pulpit can spray anything they want, and more often than not the adoring congregation slurps it all up, no questions asked. Not far behind are the requests for donations. The Bible can be interpreted many ways and for many purposes. The ‘real’ interpretation depends upon your point of view.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to dancing naked around the Druid May Pole.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:52 pm
ya know, maybe your work would “bear more fruit” if you brought up stories from the bible that do have a good point – there’s a lot more than 10 of those to choose from.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Scratch an American Christian and you will find that their religious conviction rests on little more than Xmas time department nativity scenes. They know jack about their religion in reality.
Take the idiotic practice of circumcision. America is the only civilized nation that practices this lunacy with about 60% of baby boys being mutilated at birth. Fortunately the tide is turning slowly against the practice. But if you talk to people in the Flyover states they will declare that the bible demands circumcision.
No it doesn’t.
Paul discusses this issue and states unequivocally that it’s a Jewish thing and that Christians need not do it.
By the way, nature designed the glans to be an internal organ. It’s supposed to be membrane like the inside of your lip and not dried out skin which is what happens to it when there is no foreskin to cover it.
For the record, even Jewish people are starting to question circumcision.
http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/
http://www.jewishcircumcision.org/
January 31st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Wow, interesting group of people on this site. First, please allow me to applaud whoever it was that lifted this list from cracked.com. Yes, you added a few of your own, and you changed a little of the writing….you are still a plagiarizing ass. All of baffling intellects that are continually bashing Christianity….well played. Nothing like proving your superior intellect like bashing things that you know little about and refuse to research. How many of you read all of the verses on this list out of the bible before going off on your diatribes? I’m going to venture guess that none of you have. How about you keep your hateful speech to yourselves. And the guy at the top of the list that claimed that people that take religion too seriously are either fundies or terrorist, stellar generalization. I’m good at assuming things too. I am going to venture to guess that anyone that would write those words is either is either a jackass or a retard.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Jakob, I have many years of religious schooling under my belt and can run circles around most believers when it comes to bible knowledge. See my post on circumcision above.
Long ago I decided to look for information outside of the bible which would corroborate its claims. I did so to bolster my sagging faith.
Guess what. I found nothing.
Makes you think doesn’t it?
How come no one outside the bible mentions Jesus or any of the OT events such as the flood or Exodus? The Egyptians never heard of Moses.
Even a top Israeli archaeologist admits that most of the OT stories are either outright lies or gross exaggerations.
http://archive.salon.com/books/feature/2001/02/07/solomon/print.html
January 31st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
jakob.taylor: ignoring your insults, I am one of the people who did read the quotes before commenting (and you will find my comments were not anti-religion) – I believe that there are true morals to be learnt from these sections of the Bible but I also believe that it is amusing to look at them out of context for the sake of humor. This list is not meant to trick people in to hating religion – it is meant to provide an amusing look at parts of the bible.
By resorting to ad hominem attacks, you make yourself as bad as the people you are attacking – it doesn’t help your cause.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I like this list, it’s different and really fascinating!
condo bondo mondo: This list is about bizarre stories from the bible. So, what point would there be in including stories with a good point? That’s another list for another time!
January 31st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Bible Dude: Josephus, the Jewish historian mentions Jesus in his Antiquities of the Jews (in the early 90s AD). According to Wikipedia:
January 31st, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Let’s just do a quick review of bible-god.
Remember that he’s allegedly “omniscient.” This means that he knew before the beginning of time everything that would happen. Everything.
If we are to play along with this, he knew long before he created you whether you’d end up in heaven or hell.
This begs the question of why go ahead with the experiment if he knew how it would end? Does he enjoy watching suffering?
But he decided to proceed. Well the first experiment in the garden of Eden is a right disaster. So what does this “just” god do in response? I would have sent Adam & Eve to bed without supper that night and given them a second chance. Bible-god instead goes postal, evicts these two naive teens, and then to be extra sadistic, he places the Curse of Original Sin not just on them but on all of their descendants in perpetuity.
Nota bene: This deity metes out infinite punishment for finite transgressions. Moreover, he metes out collective punishment for individual acts.
The above goes against everything civilized society stands for.
Now we continue along to his next screw-up. Things continue to deteriorate in large part because of the burden of Original Sin. After all, Original Sin dooms humanity from the get-go. It doesn’t stand a chance of winning bible-god’s approval.
So what does bible-god do in response? Why he holds the very first holocaust: the Biblical Flood. Not only does he murder all people but puppies and kitties too!
Remind me again how he supposedly differs from Satan?
We continue. After re-starting with a blank canvass after the flood, things still go to pot in his creation.
This deity just can’t get it right, can he?
So what is this genius’s next idea for solving the problems in his creation? Why it’s to have an illegitimate child with a young teen whose sole purpose will be to be murdered in a gruesome blood ritual!
This is the best solution bible-god could come up with???? If I were him, I would have wiggled my nose like I Dream of Jeannie and stopped the unnecessary suffering once and for all.
Despite this alleged sacrifice of his own child, the world continued getting worse and worse. Last year a ten year old girl was raped and buried alive in Florida as bible-god watched silently from up above.
He has the power to stop these crimes. He is the only one with the power to eliminate childhood leukemia and Alzheimers and stop tsunamis and earthquakes. Yet he does nothing.
Meanwhile, believers who sound as if they were traumatized victims of Stockholm Syndrome continue to bleat on about his mercy and love!
January 31st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Ha! The consensus amongst bible scholars and historians is that the vague Josephus footnote is a forgery added to his works centuries later by the church to create a paper trail for Jesus.
Sorry.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:27 pm
jakob, do you mind telling me where I plagiarised this list from? I did a quick search of cracked.com and the only remotely similar section was this: http://www.cracked.com/article_15699_9-most-badass-bible-verses.html
which only lists 3 of the bible passages I did and writes about them in a completely different way.
And this list was wasn’t meant to castigate religion. It was simply to take some passages that, while bearing some semblance of the conventions of society and belief 2-3,000 years ago, are absolutely absurd nowadays. Foreskin collecting? Talking donkeys? Magical genetics? I would hope that people can realise that these stories are not factually true and were most likely written as myths and allegories as most sensible Christians realise, and that we can all have a laugh about it now with the benefit of enlightened hindsight.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Bible Dude: the “addition” is in the earlier section referring to Jesus as “Christ” – that was almost certainly added – but he does mention Jesus and “his brother James” and no one disputes the authenticity of that. Even Origen makes mention of it (2nd and 3rd century).
January 31st, 2008 at 1:30 pm
JT: brilliantly put – thanks
January 31st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Here’s the reality folks.
Bible-god is the creation of an ancient tribal peoples trying to make sense of the suffering and death in their world. Since they knew next to nothing of their world they concluded that they suffered because an invisible sky-pixie was punishing them for something they had done wrong.
You hear the same rationalization from battered children. “Daddy beats the crap out of me when he comes home from the bar because I’m bad and deserve it.”
January 31st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Didn’t read all 161 comments before mine, but I just wanted to say that I would use this quote as a sig if I wouldn’t be instantly banned for it:
“God works in mysterious (and slightly gay) ways.”
XDDDD
January 31st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I wish Bible God had the power to make Bible Dude shut his blathering pie hole.
Ah screw it, where’s my propellor hat?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
His name is BibleDude, therefore he must be an authority on the Bible.
Just like if I call myself QuantumphysicsDude…well I still wouldn’t know what I’m talking about
January 31st, 2008 at 1:32 pm
You’re using English! Somebody already used these words! You are plagiarizing! How dare you use these words! *smites you*
January 31st, 2008 at 1:33 pm
JF,
Jesus was a very common name back then just as it is today in the Latino community. Most historians have concluded that the alleged footnote by Josephus to an alleged rabble rouser named Jesus is indeed a forgery added centuries later.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Bucslim,
Why do you hate free speech?
Are you a commie?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Bible Dude: that contradicts Origen and other sources from then until now – can you cite some kind of study that states what you are saying?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
bibledude: i am writing these quotes down in my “atheism bible” right now. thanks.
james: the guy at my carwash is named Jesus. should I kneel to him, or will a fiver do??
all: my daughter is a practicing wiccan, and has more decency, common sense and love than any of her “christian” classmates, who are too busy trying to pick out (and pick on) anyone who’s different.
“do what thou wilt, ere it harm no one.”
January 31st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
From wiki as well on the Josephus reference to a “Jesus” being a forgery:
Some of the deepest concerns about the authenticity of the passage were succinctly expressed by John Dominic Crossan, in The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Peasant:[14] “The problem here is that Josephus’ account is too good to be true, too confessional to be impartial, too Christian to be Jewish.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
By the way, Crossan is a leading biblical scholar.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:39 pm
that contradicts Origen
_____________
What contradicts?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Bible Dude: that reference is to Jesus as “Christ” which is extremely unlikely to have been said by Josephus. Again, from the very article you cited:
One modern scholar and several recent “popular” writers are hardly convincing proof against 1900 years of scholars and writers that believe that the *other* reference to Jesus (not the Christ reference) is authentically Josephus.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
See post #162.
How come believers don’t respond to the points I make in it about bible-god being a total screw-up and sadist?
Instead they demand that I shut up.
Well, we all know why.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
The Bible was fine, although yes, it is a bit dated. Why in 2000 years has there not been a significant addition or a sequal? Does God have nothing new to say? Does God not talk to people anymore? He certainly did a lot of talking back then, but I’m sure there is an interpretation that rationalizes his silence the past 2000 years.
Oh, I forgot about the Mormons. Sorry!
Being an agnostic or atheist isn’t being religious, Spanky. You guys like to say that and turn this into Us vs. Them, but they just believe in one fewer deities than you do. Most are open to the idea there could be a God, but they don’t see any evidence. (Remember, your faith is based on your decision to interpret things as evidence, while others may have a different standard.) Non-believers do not have a common scripture or all agree on politics, economics or anything that would classify them as a group, anymore than you would be called a subscriber of the “anti-Zeus religion”.
People should never act superior, I agree. We should be humble, especially when some “think” they understand how a god thinks (one so vast that he knows where every atom in the Universe is, has been and ever will be – and the universe is REALLY BIG and complicated). So, it is (many) religious people who think that God can be reduced to the point he can be compared to human beings that I laugh at. God as the micromanager, tinkerer, having to always correct his creation, who needs people to worship him, and who punishes those who don’t is frankly a bit too unbelievable. Let your god be greater and grander than this huge, amazing universe we live in. The god of the bible is too tiny and limited for me to believe in him.
Well, I have to run. I have a (talking) goat to sacrifice on the way home.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Here in Nebraska a few weeks ago, there was a practising Wiccan guy who killed his daughter (or stepdaughter, I can’t remember which) while trying to cast a spell.
No group of people are completely wholesome and sweet.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Sorry jfrater, but the consensus now by the vast majority of historians is that it’s a forgery.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Interestingly, a reviewer of the book by Crossan that is cited as your reference states that it is a statistical view of Jesus historicity – ie, this happened, therefore statistically this is likely to have happened (or not) – it is not a particularly historical approach to history
He also uses the Gospel of Thomas as part of his historical basis for the true Jesus and there is virtually no scholar alive that doesn’t believe the Gospel of Thomas (and indeed the entire Nag Hammadi Library) to be a 4th century fraud.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Bible Dude: If it is the vast majority, can I see a citation for three historians that state that (excluding Crossan for the reasons mentioned above) – I would appreciate a quote or two – not just a footnote number from Wikipedia
January 31st, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Iron Chariots,
the counter-apologetics wiki for all your COUNTER-apologetic needs
FreeThoughtPedia.com
all round good resource
Greta Christina (CAUTION! some content NSFW. she is not only an excellent writer advocating atheism but also has an adult site so some entries reference content inappropriate for minors and certainly inappropriate for homophobes. she is a very open lesbian. none of which diminshes her prowess as a writer. good reading!)
some of my fav sources regarding counter-apologetics, free thinking and atheism. just thought i’d share.
Cyn the LV resident atheist.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Bear this in mind Bible Dude: “Today almost no scholar[citation needed] holds that position: however, many writers claim that Josephus did write something about Jesus which has been corrupted in the surviving Greek text.” – note that there is no citation for “no scholar” as it is such a gross generalization that no citation would be possible.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Believers, I hope to take a moment to meditate on post 162#.
I have come to the conclusion that Xianity is little more than the default setting for Americans at birth and that this belief in reality is a mile wide and an inch deep.
99.9% know diddley-squat about their alleged religion and its history.
Well, this cowboy has to get back to work.
It’s been fun.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Jfrater, I think you need another comments contest. This list looks like it has the potential to be the new most comments champ
January 31st, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Jfrater:
If you’re serious read books by *honest* Christians such as:
1. Jesus for the Non-Believer by Bishop John Shelby Spong
2. The Dishonest Church by Pastor Jack Good.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Derek99: heh – if it weren’t for the $200 logo contest that ends in 3 hours, I would
January 31st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Can someone please explain to me why you have to be circumcized according to the bible. And jfrater, you certainly have made a controversial list.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Bible Dude: can I have my citations please?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
99.9%, wow. That sounds legit.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:53 pm
WOW, these are some strange stories; if only there were people who have come before you who also examined every aspect of the bible and have offered explanations — Oh!
January 31st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot about the logo contest. Can’t wait to see the winner
January 31st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Thank goodness for this list, im christian and i can’t even read the bible past how god created earth.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Csimmons: according to St Paul, circumcision is not required – it was replaced by baptism.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Reply to 183:
Jfarter, you are a perfect example of “a little knowledge being a dangerous thing”!
LOL!
A top scholar biblical scholar Elaine Pagels dates the Gospel of Thomas to about 70 or 80 C.E.
Are you really surprised at the fact that the church attacks the Gospel of Thomas when it states unequivocally that man does not need a church intermediary between himself and god?
Intro to Pagels: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5422879
January 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
#9 Eglon. If he is left handed, why is he striking the king with his right?
January 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
oh and that thing saying that god made earth in 7 days thing is crap, it was the big bang
January 31st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Oh – and Csimmons: the religious ones are always controversial – and while I would love to take credit, JT wrote this one
January 31st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
There’s a lot more good stuff like this at this site:
http://Freethoughtpedia.com/
weird bible rules, contradictions, funny claims… check it out.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
This blog is eating my goddam posts.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
jfrater: thanks, i never really understood why judaism and christianity were pretty much the only religions that had circumcision, still creeped out by how that kid got circumcized flint (ouch!)
January 31st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
BibleDude – I’m kinda guessing you..ummm…don’t get invited a second time to many parties or social gatherings…
Am I right ??
January 31st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
#7 Disturbing- The moral, Don’t stop at a kind man’s house. Keep going until you find a Holiday Inn.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I highly recommend this article on the Gospel of Thomas titled Jesus Without the Magic. The Jesus in it is quite a cool guy as opposed to one created by the Council of Nicea in 326 C.E. as the request of Emperor Constantine.
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005/Jesus-Without-Miracles1dec05.htm
January 31st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Bible Dude: do you really need to resort to ad hominem attacks? We all know what that means
As for Pagels, she studied dance and Divinity – I am not convinced that that makes her an expert on dating ancient documents.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Kiwiboi, dollars to donuts I’m more popular than you. The only ones who run from me are the braindead fundie godbots.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Derek99 that story is simply bullshit
January 31st, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Bible Dude you rock!!!!!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Sweet Jesus Jason Alexander Christ, Pagels is a leading biblical scholar. One of the most respected in the world. She teaches or taught at Princeton.
And your credentials in thisarea are…..?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Derek 99 – go huskers, from another dude from the greatest state in the Union
Bible Dude – no I’m not a commie but I’m against free speech from hysterical people.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
If my choice was circumcision or baptism, I’m glad I was circumcized.
“I kinda agree that God’s obsession with the foreskins of young boys was kinda gay. Now he just waterboards ya!”
“People who aren’t circumcized think it’s barbaric, people who are think the others are freaks. Can’t we all just get along?”
January 31st, 2008 at 2:08 pm
kiwiboi, your mom doesn’t get invited to many social gatherings (hardy har har har)
January 31st, 2008 at 2:08 pm
What is the point in wasting time with people who debate in this manner:
Bible Dude: Want proof? Read what Elaine Pagels says.
Arguer: Ahh, she don’t know nothin!
Bible Dude: Want proof? Read what Dominic Crossan says.
Arguer: Ahh, he don’t know nothin!
Ad nauseam.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:09 pm
“The only ones who run from me are the braindead fundie godbots.”
Heh…just keep telling yourself that. I’m sure it’s not your riveting conversation that makes them run…
January 31st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/13500047.html
Actually it was in Sioux City, Iowa, not Nebraska. oops
Bucslim: but it’s so flippin’ cold here!!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Kiwiboi,
Got anything to add to the actual debate or are you limited to middle-school insults?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
bucslim – dude…let’s not go there! I’m still walking like John Wayne from the other night’s episode!!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Bible Dude; what I said is that I have no problem with any religion as long as it strives for tolerance and love. In my experience I have never met a fundementalist anything that preached or strived for tolerance; their path is the only path and damnation for everyone else. And I’ve been to many different houses of worship, you can read my blog in the forum if you want….I apologize if my experience is too narrow to have found any…
January 31st, 2008 at 2:11 pm
My favorite Bionic Woman episode was the one with the braindead fundie godbots!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Bible Dude: she is still a scholar of religion and dance – that does not qualify her to date ancient manuscripts.
As for Nicaea – you can’t disregard all of the Christian writings prior to the council which are in complete accord with the doctrines codified at the council. Namely people like Ignatius of Antioch (35 – 110), Polycarp of Smyrna (69 – 155 – apostle of John the Apostle), Eusebius (263-339?) – his Historia Ecclesiastica is extremely telling in showing that the Church existed in the same form prior to the council as it did after. They all agree on the type of Christ shown by the Bible – not the gnostic gospels (which didn’t exist at the time).
January 31st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
me too, and it crashed the server.
Eureka! A way to put a muzzle on Bible Dude!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
by the way whoever with the foreskin issue,,,none of my 4 boys has been snipped…
January 31st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Derek – you’re cold? It was so cold last night my nuts froze to the porch. Good thing Joe Dirt came by. . .
January 31st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Mom, I agree. I started losing my faith in the second grade after the teacher told us that all non Christains went straight to hell simply because they weren’t in the right religion. Someone asked if this applied to people who lived before christiniaty was created or who had never heard of it. The answer was “yes”.
That’s when I started looking for something outside of the bible to corroborate its claims and found nothing.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
No crashing servers tonight please!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
jfrater – those big words make my brain hurt, couldn’t you put in some pictures for me to color?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Oh – and I feel I should say something important here – with regards to why these types of debates are so often fruitless:
“We usually find what we seek” — JFrater
January 31st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
bucslim: there is a list of Rorscach inkblots – they are all a bit dull – you could color those in
January 31st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Nuts frozen to a porch….yay!
But we all know how Nebraska weather is…it could be 70 tomorrow for all we know
January 31st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
And that’s another reazon I HATE the Bible
January 31st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
derek99: there are different kinds of wiccans, just like there are different kinds of christians, different kinds of vegetarians, atheists, onanists…
but i’ll keep my eye on her.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
re 223:
Jfrater, like I said “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”. You need to read more on the history of the bible. Up until the matter was finally settled by the Council of Nicea in 326 C.E., there was a long centuries old war about which books belonged in the official canon. Each book had its backers and detractors.
By sheer coincidence all the books which stated that you don’t need a church got left out by the council of Nicea.
Do’h!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I’ve heard most of these stories but I missed the one where God moons Moses…I can’t believe I just typed that.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Bible Dude: Thanks you for pointing out (again) that I have little knowledge
I think “war” is an exageration – and in fact the books that were codified were all generally accepted – there were a few that were disputed – these all to do with the NT of course – as the LXX was the base for the OT already. Is it impossible to consider that the men in the time, working with the knowledge they had (much closer to the time of Jesus) might have made the right decisions? It seems that all modern “scholars” feel a need to presume that they have a superior knowledge to the ancient scholars in our history.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Bible Dude, you started losing your faith because of something your 2nd grade teacher told you?
My second grade teacher told me lots of silly things like “Don’t eat paste.” and “You should have gone to the restroom after recess.” and “George Washington chopped down a cherry tree.”
Don’t you know all 2nd Grade teachers are as batshit crazy as Tom Cruise?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Americans are so far of their spirituality… a lame.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
“Got anything to add to the actual debate or are you limited to middle-school insults?”
Gee…you got me there, BibleD.
So…Lindsay or Britney ?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
okay – I am exhausted by this all – my inferior “little knowledge” is exhausted so I am going to watch Masterchef and learn to cook instead
January 31st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
now that’s some funny shit!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“Is it impossible to consider that the men in the time, working with the knowledge they had (much closer to the time of Jesus) might have made the right decisions?”
I feel the exact opposite since we know so much more today.
Besides the bishops at the Council of Nicea which took place in 300 years after JC’s death did not know him.
In fact, no one who wrote anything about him ever knew him in real life.
Now if you were bible-god quarterbacking all thsi in order to save your creation wouldn’t you have set up a situation where a 100 scribes sat with Jesus and transcribed his teachings verbatim?
Huh? Think about it.
Instead we are left with for contradictory gospels which present different Jesus to us.
WTF is wrong with this picture?
No wonder we have 1oos of Xian sects arguing with one another today:
The Wisdom Of Emo Phillips
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said “Stop! don’t do it!” “Why shouldn’t I?” he said. I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!” He said, “Like what?” I said, “Well…are you religious or atheist?” He said, “Religious.” I said, “Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?” He said, “Christian.” I said, “Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?” He said, “Protestant.” I said, “Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?” He said, “Baptist!” I said,”Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?” He said, “Baptist church of god!” I said, “Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?” He said,”Reformed Baptist church of god!” I said, “Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?” He said, “Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!”
I said, “Die, heretic scum”, and pushed him off. — Emo Phillips
January 31st, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Buscslim, but most Xians today believe that Buddhists, Jews, Moslems, and Catholics will burn in hell.
I always get a chuckle out of hearing some hick claim that Catholics aren’t Xians.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
jfrater – (spolier alert) The young girl won it with a great looking pastry !!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
jfrater; these debates are not fruitless, the best part of the site. Now I have to go read all about the early church historians, lord love us there is guy actually named polycarp? and he was important too…all that knowledge is pretty big damn fruit…anyway you choose to interpret it..
January 31st, 2008 at 2:33 pm
BD – No shit? Glad you pointed that out to me, I had absolutely no idea they say such things. I thought we all joined hands and sang Kum-bah-yah in the great gig in the sky.
The things I learn on this site.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Bucslim, sadly all non-Christains and every Christian who doesn’t belong to the believer’s particular sect will roast in hell for three back-to-back eternities with only a short ciggie break in between.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Actually, there is no ciggie break
January 31st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Damn, then bible-god is an even bigger sadist than I had originally thought.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
unlke how people veiw the council of Nicea it wasn’t people just yelling and arguing, it was people praying and talking to God about what He wanted
and the biblical definition of church is best defined by Christ, “a gathing of two or more in My name” so church is Christians as a whole
i am a Chiristian, an anti-religeon Christian, i do not belive in religion or that it works (nor do i belive in spelling, if Shakespere and Seues can make up words so can i, kidding, i am just to lazy to spell check)
and as for the books left out, they had either been proven false or said things stated alot with nothing new
and as for the need of a church building, it is just a good way to make the gathering of Christians, i do attend a church and am actualy a memeber for voting and work reason (teach sunday school and work on the a/v ministry, perhaps soon becoming the intern) and as for voting in churches, its there so that the members can make the desiocns not just a select few, but the gatherd numbers
to the foreskin thing, it goes back to Abraham he was told to circumsize himself, his sons, and all thier desendents, it was jewish law, when Christ came He fullfuilled the law so the old laws such as that and sacrifice were made no longer needed, i personaly am circumsized but not for relgeous reasons but for hygene reasons and as for that i will have my sons when i have some circumsized, cuase its easier :p
January 31st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
kiwiboi; I vote for Lindsay; can’t comfortably vote for anyone whose snatch i’ve seen almost as often as my own….
January 31st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
For hygiene reasons? How about taking a shower every morning instead?
Using this logic it makes sense to cut off one’s eyelids too so that you don’t have to wash your face when you wake up.
Americans are the only white men to still engage in this practice. In order to do so they have to make up all sorts of lies to justify the practice.
Meanwhile the rest of the civilized world doesn’t practice it and laughs at us for it.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
-Thomas Aquinas
I just think its weird that atheist’s know more about the christian faith then most christians. The reason it’s called faith is couse there is no fact. You have to believe. Like in Indiana Jones, And The Last Crusade. He cant see the bridge, logic tells him its not there, but he has faith.
Im 17 and i have more sense then u people. Go back to work and check the damn website when u get home.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Did I just read some comment using the word ’snatch’ in discussion about Bible verses?
To quote Butthead: “Uh huh huh huh huh Uh, huh huh huh”
January 31st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
“I vote for Lindsay”
Lindsay 1 Britney 0
“can’t comfortably vote for anyone whose snatch i’ve seen almost as often as my own….”
You can see yours ??!! But Fox News keeps telling us that you Amerikans are so obese !! Surely the folds of your belly get in the way?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:58 pm
***wretch***
January 31st, 2008 at 2:58 pm
the hygene reasons of circumsion
foreskin is a flap of skin serving no purpose whatsoever except to collect dust and dirt, which is easier to get it cut off whe na baby or everyday taking the extra 5 second to clean under
honestly that one time pain in a world of hectic running around 5 seconds adds up alot
and as for faith, faith is just a belief in things unseen, oddly enough everyone has somekind of faith
to the ones who belive in evolution, they belive in it, even thouth there is no proof os it, there is proof of adaptaion, nowhere has anyone found the clreature that made the leap from one thing to another
an everyday example of faith for everone here, we all have faith that when we come to listverse there will be new lists or atleast new comments to read
and the majority of people do belive in some kind of higher power, AA teaches it, Parolies are taught it
for my geekdom of the day Han Solo: “I can not understand how you follow that old religeon, there is not some higher “Force” controling our lives” then a bit later “May the Force be with you”, same movie, the orginal star wars, and in all honesty, why risk hell?
and if you are willing to deny soemones beliefs are you saying you know everything? and if so tell me right now straight faced i can never see my dad again, and then have faith i wouldn’t punch you in the face
January 31st, 2008 at 2:58 pm
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
-Thomas Aquinas
Humans are able to make themselves believe anything. In the remake of Robinson Crusoe, Tom Hank’s character paints a smiley face on a basketball in order to have a “friend” to talk to. Over time he comes to believe that his friend “Spaulding” is so real that he almost loses his life trying to save the basketball.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:59 pm
you people are the reason all our jobs are being shipped over sea’s. Im preety sure that people in Japan and China arnt on listverse discussing obscure bible passages while they are at work. (but i have a fealing most of you fuckers are in your moms basement)
Jfrater you are the man, keep on keeping on. I love the site, i just hate stupid people.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
“foreskin is a flap of skin serving no purpose whatsoever except to collect dust and dirt,”
Sorry dude…gotta pick you up on this one. I keep a butt, two quarters and a mento under mine…
January 31st, 2008 at 3:02 pm
The foreskin does serve a purpose.
The glans is designed by nature as an *internal* organ. Why? Because it’s supposed to be membrane not skin. Go to the bathroom mirror and pull your lip down to see membrane.
Only cut men believe the foreskin to be a problem. You don’t see the 80% of men who aren’t cut rushing out to have their foreskins removed.
Every medical association, including the US one, has come out against circumcision. Every one.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
csimmons- in judaism circumcision is a part of the covenant with god, made by abraham. to sum it up.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Oh, wow! Number ten completely explains why I had two bears eyeing me hungrily after I mentioned to my dad his hair was looking thinner …
Fantastic list. It (and the comments) had me laughing for ages.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
get a job bible dude
January 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Good lord that’s a significant foreskin you got there kiwi!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:05 pm
I’ve changed my mind, I want my foreskin back.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:06 pm
bucslim – well, I’m not one to brag
But I’m also thinking of renting some of the spare space to my neighbour; he has a coupla krugerrands he wants kept safe…
January 31st, 2008 at 3:06 pm
and if so tell me right now straight faced i can never see my dad again, and then have faith i wouldn’t punch you in the face
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Interesting. When Xians bring up the concern that it might detract from their heavenly experience if they arrive to discover that their spouse, child, or parent isn’t there, they are told that an angel will remove their memories of that person so that they can enjoy the place.
It will be as if that person never existed.
LOL!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
and if you want to deny Christianity lets take away everything it has given scocity
lets see, all our laws are based somewhere around it so we no longer have laws, yay i can kill my childhood bullies woooo
all our holidays are based on Christian themes or on someone using Chrisitan themes so no more free days oof work to spend with your family
anything else we got good, hmmm by the end of mass murder there won’t be anyone left anyway so that covers that
and again basic teachings of the bible picked down to main themes, love, love is the most important and putting others needs before your own, what is so wrong with that?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Smerkis: jobs are moving overseas because 17-years-olds aren’t learning how to spell properly.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
lets see, all our laws are based somewhere around it so we no longer have laws, yay i can kill my childhood bullies woooo
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This is the typical argument put forth by fundies that totally creeps me out. What he is saying is that without the fear of a heavenly smiting he would be out there murdering and raping.
Funny how non-believers understand that these acts are wrong and are repelled by the mere thought of them. They do good for the sake of doing good not to earn or avoid some imaginary fate after death.’
This is why I’m actually thankful for Xianity. It keeps the sociopaths in check.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
and they don’t have foreskins
January 31st, 2008 at 3:15 pm
’specially the girls
January 31st, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Hmmm… I just watched Penn and Teller: Bullshit! on circumcision, i wish i had my foreskin back.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:16 pm
kittym: thank you for being the only person intelligent enough (and with the balls) to insult me. I consider my self to be an very unitelligent individual, just Ask my engrish teacher.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
but were you taught something was wrong or just insticivtly know they are wrong?
take a child, never tell them they are wrong and what do they do when they grow up?
and going back to being taught, who taught the one who taught you, and so forth going back, eventualy it all leads back to 10 base laws set by God to the isrealites in the dessert
but its all because someone told you not that you were born with the that knoweldge
and if you are truly thankful for it why do you try to tell people its wrong, becuase if its part wrong whoes to say its not all wrong and that in the end if there is nothing what difference does it make if we kill or rape or steal?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Smerkis, the rest of us are simply ignoring you.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:18 pm
kittym: can we agree that bibledude is a dick?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
He’s a dick with a foreskin
January 31st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Number 6 is 1 Samuel 18 NOT 1 Kings 18.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
“Samuel 18 NOT 1 Kings 18″
Huh? Last count was Lindsay 1 Britney 0
January 31st, 2008 at 3:24 pm
And we all know that any conversation about the Bible must include a discussion of dicks, balls, snatch, spraying DNA on the ground and foreskin
January 31st, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Taos,
You need to study up on anthropology. Man has been around for about 240,000 years versus your bible’s 2000. Man is a higher primate. Primates are all extremely social animals. For the most part we all just want to get along.
It also comes down to evolution. Someone once explained it this way. Suppose that 200,000 years ago you have two kinds of tribes of hunter-gatherers roaming the earth.
One group allows everyone to kill anyone else on a whim. This freedom holds true for stealing and raping too.
The other group of tribes creates taboos and sanctions against this behavior after determining they are bad for the tribe. It’s hard to build a society if you are constantly looking over your shoulder for potential murderers.
Over time which group of tribes will survive and prosper and which will die off?
The answer is obvious.
The issue was settled long before Xianity made its appearance.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Smerkis: Ha. Never been told I’ve got balls. News to me. And really, the only reason I said what I did is grammatical/spelling errors make my eye twitch, mostly thanks to my more sadistic Enligsh professors.
On the point of anyone on this list being a dick … um … I’d rather not have them yell at me, particularly since religion is so NOT my forte, so I’ll leave that up to you!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
hey its all in the bible, thats one of the great things in the bible, everything in it is still valuable today and still works today
lets see drugs are a problem, aks Solomon about drugs
hmmm sexualy active teens, lets ask the cities of Sodoma and Gomorah where that leads, ect….
January 31st, 2008 at 3:35 pm
kiwiboi; I’m canadian, but no worries I won’t take offence…and I’m little, and although somewhat flabby I am not fat,,,i could go on but i’m thinking real vulgar thoughts right now and this in not the place
January 31st, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Great stuff, I’d love to see more.
It’s insane that this silly, antiquated book still has so much influence in our society.
Oh, btw – there’s a typo in #1: “And the most bizarre tale in the Bible goes too..”
January 31st, 2008 at 3:37 pm
There’s very little that’s original in the bible. Confucius was teaching the Golden Rule hundreds of years before JC. Most of the bible is a rip-off of older tales.
Have you seen this movie?
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/
Watch the first 15 minutes or so,
January 31st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Guy Smiley: It is 1 Kings in the Catholic Bible – the most widely used Bible in the world. The link points to the Douay-Rheims – an English translation of the Catholic Bible.
Catholic – Other
1 Kings = 1 Samuel
2 Kings = 2 Samuel
3 Kings = 1 Kings
4 Kings = 2 Kings
Another difference is that in non-Catholic Bibles you have 1 and 2 Chronicles which are called 1 and 2 Paralipomenon in Catholic Bibles. There are a few other differences too – most notably the Catholic (and Orthodox) Bibles retain the books removed by Protestants in the 1500s.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
@Dischucker – I didn’t mean to be philosophical. And the part about nothing making sense was a joke, that’s what I envision the comments saying and that is exactly what is happening.
I don’t mind people defending their faith, I just don’t think you should get all heated up about it. Apparently someone is already doing that despite my hopes at tolerance.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Reigion may not be my forte either but i am really good at being a dick, so i can tell when someone else is being a dick.
Bibledude: i am resolved that regardless of what i, or anyother here, says will change your opinions on this matter. For that i admire your conviction. You are also an intelligent person, and i admire that as well.
However you are being a dick and your not even good at it, and for that i must insult and annoy you to the best of my ability. You two faced thunder cunt.
(sorry for using that word, its the dirtiest word in the english language, but its just too funny)
January 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Anyway – I am exhausted – it has been a very VERY long day for me and I must sleep so I can get up and write more lists tomorrow and process all of the logo competition entries! It ends in 1 hour and 20 minutes btw.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Oh no,
the zeitgeist movie? That’s your argument? While some of the religion part is true, such as Noah and Moses being based off older myths, the astrology part is total bullshit, and is based on Acharya S’ widely discredited book The Christ Conspiracy.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Dang! this list comment section is like world war 29!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
thats a big misconception, the bible says 6000 years not 2000 years old
and using evolution, there is no proof for it
the two kinds of evolution
micro- or adaptation, where a creature changes slighrtly still staying same creature but adapts to surroundings, one speicies of butterfly lived on a tree and matched the tree, a factory was built and cuased the trees to turn grey, the butterflies adapted to the trees and turned grey too
marco- where an animal makes a leap in adaptation to another animal, like monkeys or ape-like creature become a homosapien, or the greater leap of evolution from a fish or reptile to a mammal
sceince has theories which either have not yet or can not be proven, evolution is one of those
and it has laws that can be tested and retested again and again and be proven everytime, like gravity
anthropolgy is full of theroires becuase none of it can be proven, if want to drag scenece into it, ok proven scheince for the bible, archeology, astrology (yes someone theoriesed and proved that for our current star postions and such about 4000 or so years ago there was a point where the earth and everything stopped moving for a 24 hour period which is mentioned in the bible), and so much more which i have not personaly studied in science
January 31st, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Smerkis, 12 year old trolls never annoy me. I now return you to “ignore”.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
How many comments does the longest list have? I think we might be able to go for a record with this one!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Bible says 6000 years old? LOL!
Son, now you have jumped the shark into wacko-land.
The earth is about 4.5 billion years old. The universe is about 16 billion.
Mankind has been around for about 240,000 years depending on how you define it.
Shame on you for swallowing that nonsense.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:47 pm
if you are really ignoring him why are you commenting back to him?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:48 pm
wow sweet i made comment 300 woooooooooo wonder if i can do 3000 :p
January 31st, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Im 44 dick bag, i just happen to be as sexually unexperienced as a 12 year old.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
My ambition is to make this the longest thread ever seen on the Internets!
Who’s with me?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
“Why can’t we be friends … why can’t we be friends …?”
Sorry, random song lyrics pop into my head at the oddest of moments …
January 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
CK: the list with the most comments is the recent list about geek movies (it set the record because of it’s contest) and it had over 500 comments! while we are about 266 off, we very easily reach it at the rate we’re going.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
I hear you joined the C-I-A after they threw you out of the Maf-I-A!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I am willing to pull an all-nighter if someone will help! I know we can hit 501 by Friday as a team.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:55 pm
i am all for agreeing to disagree
i am just saddened cuase one of my childhood heroes was Ehud and i have yet to mention that, come on whats cooler than getting to be the hated outcast by everybody, stabbing a man so fat a foot and half long blade and part of your arm disappear into his gut and are swollowed by fat?, and to top all getting away with it and leading your people to freedom for as long as the two most well known kings of your nation did combined (David and Solomon each did about 40 years each and Ehud rescuded them for 80), i have been and will always be an outcast and am totaly ok with it
January 31st, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Bibledude: An all nighter, further evidence that all you do is comment on internet sites and masturbate. i too love masturbation and am willing to join you in your all night venture of comments and masturbation.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:59 pm
hmmm… 501 by friday? can i help?
ok, i need a religous comment?
oh, got one!
did you know that one of the commandments is “be festive on holidays?”
January 31st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Right, if masturbation is where this thread is heading, then I’m off. I shudder to think what your next topic of choice will be…
January 31st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Smerkis and Bible Dude: Me too (but im not a masturbation addict, i go to the gym and masturbate later)
January 31st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Taos,
My fave fictional character from olden times is Hercules. Got to love how he knocked down that temple or whatevah!
January 31st, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Ill be there until 501, but i do really have to the gym at 5:00 PST. until 6:00 PST.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Can someone volunteer to make coffee and bring donuts? We’ll need both.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm
One of my favourite bible stories is about Jael.
From the wikipedia:
Yael (Hebrew Ya’el, יעל, the Hebrew name of the Nubian Ibex) is a character mentioned in the Book of Judges in the Hebrew Bible, as the heroine who killed Sisera to deliver Israel from the troops of king Jabin. She was the wife of Heber the Kenite.
God told Deborah (a prophetess and leader) that he would deliver Israel from Jabin. Deborah called Barak to make up an army to lead into battle against Jabin on the plain of Esdraelon. But Barak demanded that Deborah would accompany him into the battle. Deborah agreed but prophesied that the honour of the killing of the other army’s captain would be given to a woman. Jabin’s army was led by Sisera (Judg. 4:2), who fled the battle after all was lost.
Yael received the fleeing Sisera at the settlement of Heber on the plain of Zaanaim. Yael welcomed him into her tent with apparent hospitality. She ‘gave him butter’ (i.e. ‘lebben’, or curdled milk)’in a lordly dish’. Having drunk the refreshing beverage, he lay down and soon sank into the sleep of the weary. While he lay asleep Yael crept stealthily up to him, holding a tent peg and a mallet. She drove it through his temples with such force that it entered into the ground below. And ‘at her feet he bowed, he fell; where he bowed, there he fell down dead’.
As a result of the murder of Sisera, God gave the victory to Israel. The praise given to ‘blessed’ Yael in the Bible, is given for her action.
Moral:Don’t stop on your way to a war to have a drink and sleep with a woman.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
what is your obsession with trying to tell peo0-ple how they are wrong, even if you do belif they are wrong is it you mission from Go— wait you don’t in im, so what is the point, you see having no beliefs in the afterlife when saying you are wrong i do not bash anything to you since you have none, but telling people thier belifs in such are wrong just show you asa jerk
and saying Hercules is your favortie old time hero, why such an emphisi on not knowing anything about his life? the “or whatevah” just show your lack of caring in it, and is saddening in that you claim to hold him high by calling him a hero yet don’t care enough to fact check it?
January 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pm
i got the coffee. and donuts, now that las vegas has a dunkin donuts.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
riledupone-
can you read hebrew?
January 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
I’m willing to serve as the group’s banker and accept Paypal donations for coffee and donuts.
I figure if everyone pitches in $20 it will be covered.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Dudes & Dudettes, it’s been a real slice-o-rooni but I got to go.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Smerkis: LOL – I thought you were me for a sec.
BD: Best and more precise age of Universe 13.7 billion years, with well defined error bars.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
downhighway 61- no I don’t read Hebrew. While studying Spirituality, the story of Jael was part of a “Women Of The Bible” lesson. I loved it.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
We actually acted out #9 in church camp one year. What? It was in the Bible!
January 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Jesus and the fig tree.
“But in the orchard to which Jesus came, one tree appeared to be in advance of all the others. It was already covered with leaves. It is the nature of the fig tree that before the leaves open, the growing fruit appears. Therefore this tree in full leaf gave promise of well-developed fruit. But its appearance was deceptive. Upon searching its branches, from the lowest bough to the topmost twig, Jesus found “nothing but leaves.” It was a mass of pretentious foliage, nothing more.”
“The cursing of the fig tree was an acted parable. That barren tree, flaunting its pretentious foliage in the very face of Christ, was a symbol of the Jewish nation. The Saviour desired to make plain to His disciples the cause and the certainty of Israel’s doom. For this purpose He invested the tree with moral qualities, and made it the expositor of divine truth. The Jews stood forth distinct from all other nations, professing allegiance to God. They had been specially favored by Him, and they laid claim to righteousness above every other people. But they were corrupted by the love of the world and the greed of gain. They boasted of their knowledge, but they were ignorant of the requirements of God, and were full of hypocrisy. Like the barren tree, they spread their pretentious branches aloft, luxuriant in appearance, and beautiful to the eye, but they yielded “nothing but leaves.” The Jewish religion, with its magnificent temple, its sacred altars, its mitered priests and impressive ceremonies, was indeed fair in outward appearance, but humility, love, and benevolence were lacking. ”
E.G. White from The Desire of Ages
January 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pm
wow… i’ve never actually read the bible but never did i think there would be such stories in it!
great list!! i can’t stop laughing
January 31st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
riledupone-
oh… you had thrown the hebrew in, so i figured you read it.
אתל–
(my hebrew (עברת) name)
January 31st, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Donations to date: $0.00
January 31st, 2008 at 5:19 pm
add number 11. Jonah and the whale.
ya sure, 3 days in a whale, no suffocation, no death from stomach acid, no starvation, whales dont eat ppl, and a nice return trip to the beach.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Kiwiboi: I vote Britany, because she is just jumping both feet in as she goes crazy. Lindsay is still trying to claim she just has a little drug problem.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:50 pm
best line ever…”Balaam is just minding his own business, spanking his ass…”
Thank you SO MUCH for that one! Got tears in my eyes.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
not really touching this one, but i love this list. this is like a big F you to all the warm fuzzy christians who think there is no wrong with christianity or the bible. lovin it.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:03 pm
I just think its weird that atheist’s know more about the christian faith then most christians.
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I think i have an answer for this… I am a vegetarian, as well as someone who absolutely HATES organized religion. I am sorry, I was raised catholic i had to listen to it all the time growing up and I hate it.
Often I am forced to explain my choice to not eat meat to people, and so as a result I make a point to have as much information as I possibly can in order to give a sufficient response, lest these people scoff at me and mutter that I have no idea what I am talking about. While it comes up less often, I am also forced to explain to people why I don’t practice religion or believe in jesus – so I have to have a lot of knowledge on the subject in order to have my belief, or lack thereof, taken seriously.
And to refer to my other point, not one of those pro religious people have mentioned the horrible things that religion does to societies, the environment or self esteem (paticularily gays, and particularily catholicism) And the moquese or the anti christians? They havent said anything in regards to these points either, they dont need to, they have enough valid points with their own thoughts and facts. I feel like the whole idea of just letting everyone do what they want is moot when you consider how many of christianity’s rules are made to keep christians that way out of fear, spread the word (ie get others to be christian too) they dont let others do what they like either. and anyone claiming to be christians who don’t spread the word or has sex before marriage are not christians at all, because when you start picking and choosing things you like out of a religion and then filling in the rest with your own personal preferences, you are simply doing whatever you want and not being christian at all.
Perhaps bibleman or whatever could answer this – was the bible not first written by a ruler called constantine? or rather, he made it his own?
January 31st, 2008 at 6:03 pm
oh yeah! what a fantastic and well written list!
January 31st, 2008 at 6:26 pm
I have made sure I know more about religion than religious people (it’s not hard to do). This way I am arguing with knowledge.
Not that it is needed, logical common sense should be enough for people to know god doesn’t exist and the bible is silly. This goes for all religions too, though. Absolutely none are correct.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Again I got about halfway through all these arguementitive and overanalytical comments before I just gave up and I just wanted to say that I was laughing all the way through this list, thanks for this good one JT, great sense of humor infused into this one. =)
January 31st, 2008 at 6:33 pm
The bible is such bullsh#%.
But its a fun read!
January 31st, 2008 at 6:42 pm
#6
Actually, David took the 200 foreskins and made them into a backpack.
When Saul stroked it, it turned into a 3 bedroom tent.
I’m not making that up.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:00 pm
1. Jacob and the case of the magical genetics
I’m pretty sure that this tale is supposed to be about faith… If they believed that it would work for the cattle, it would. I wish that fundamentalists would read a little more into this one because this is almost proof that the whole bible thing is nonsensical and should only be read for morals.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:01 pm
I think its funny how the bible is the supposed word of god, and many of its more crazy passages are enforced literally (homosexuals, circumcision, etc.) and yet, there are whole passages that get left out by some sects because they contradict themselves or don’t fit into todays society. How can any teachings from this book be taken literally when it is up to the reader or the pastor to decide which parts are relevant? Its like learning chemistry. If you read a chemistry text you don’t leave out half of the text because you interpret it as irrelevant, you can’t expect to have a thorough knowledge of the subject. Either take the whole bible, or none of it. If it doesn’t make sense to you there is probably a reason for that.
Another thing that I hate is that people get so defensive if you question their faith. People can have a civilized argument about their choice in cars, but when it comes to questioning someones faith we end up with derogatory comments flying everywhere.
I have nothing against anyone here but to align yourself with a segregation that causes more conflict in the world than peace, then whats the point? it ends up being pretty selfish.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:05 pm
haha JT this is such a great list.
thanks very much.
it is quite odd why those were included in the bible, maybe there was some hidden messages??
oh and don’t take down the list no matter what anyone says. you’re not critizing the religion at all, it’s their fault for including those bizarre stories and believing in them
January 31st, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Hmmm, I don’t really know where to take this. I suppose due to all the inane conversation happening there is nothing one can really say. For those wondering, there are Christians out there who actually know what they believe and WHY they believe it. Yes WHY. Such as WHY I can trust the Gospels as historical accounts.
Bible dude, your dating, scholars, all that stuff, all of it is biased. These are people who WANT to disprove the bible and go about their tasks accordingly. It’d be a mighty long protracted discussion about this but I have no intention of boring people with it. Simply put, go here for a full explanation:
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/ntcanon.html
Also, for the record, the bible NEVER SAYS THE EARTH WAS CREATED 6000 years ago. The fact that bible dude seems to let this one go makes me think he’s full of shit about knowing the bible. A quick read through plainly shows it never gives an age. As for the days of creation, simply put the days can simply be taken as metaphorical. We are talking about the creation of the world here people, it needs metaphors to explain how it worked.
And by the way, the bible wasn’t written for you yesterday, so when it doesn’t make sense or you don’t understand it, you might want to do a little research about the context and culture if you actually want to know the meanings.
Bible dude, since you whined about it ever so much, I will respond to your post 162:
God created humans with free will. He did this so we weren’t robots, FORCED to love Him. Thus, we had a choice and when we made the wrong choice to rebel, things changed for the worse. God in His infinite justice and holiness could not simply say “oh those things you did that were wrong… they don’t count” because that wouldn’t be just. And if God ceased to be just, He would cease to be God. But, God is loving as well. Part of the law was that an injustice met by some sacrifice would be “paid” for. That is, I am doing this sacrifice as a symbol that I am actually sorry, I respect you God and I want your forgiveness. Thus, God became man as Jesus and was offered as a sacrifice to atone for those all the wrong things all of humanity had done (yes all, not just the ones after). God is neither sadistic nor cruel. He just happens to be Just and in fact, sending Jesus to pay the penalty was probably the most loving thing He could do, it boggles the mind.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Panic: The Straight Dope attempts to answer who wrote the Bible here: http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mbible1.html
There are some people that say the Bible retells Sumerian myths.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Number Ten: Elisha was a prophet of God whose prophetic credentials were verified by miracles. He had just witnessed Elijah, his mentor, the greatest prophet of the Old Testament, being taken up into heaven by angels while he was still alive. There were mockers of God at that time, as there are today. You should not mock the true Spirit of the Living God in a prophet, if he truly is a prophet. We are living in a day today, when there is less and less respect for adults on the part of children. That is the result of children not being obedient to their own parents. When children do not respect their own parents, they also do not respect other adults. II Timothy 3:1,2 says, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.” When a child is disobedient to his/her parents, then that child’s life is not going to go well, and may also be shortened. Ephesians 6:1-3 says, “Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.” These children were mocking Elisha and his bald head, and more or less telling him that they would like him to “go up” like Elijah had been suddenly taken away up to heaven, or as the modern vernacular states “go to hell”. It was showing not only disrespect for Elisha, but also disrespect for the man of God that had preceded him. It may seem that the prophet Elisha was rather harsh on these children, but remember it was not he that called forth the bears out of the woods. He just cursed the children in the name of the Lord, and it was God that then caused the bears to come out of the woods and tear the children. Note that it was two “she” bears. It is pretty sad when God has to use some “mother” animals to teach children about the proper respect of adults and men of God, because their own mothers have not trained them, and they are acting like animals. Proverbs 29:15 says, “The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.”
January 31st, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Right now I’m just wishing my parents had dyed their hairs red before they made me so I could be a red-head. =D
I just wonder how Mendel saw that particular passage of the Bible and remained faithfull, since he knew it was impossible. Although I always thought he pretended to be a monk so he could live in the monastery with a garden all to himself, counting peas whenever he wanted.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:36 pm
SO MANY COMMENTS!!!!!
But, anyway…
Good List!
January 31st, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Number Nine: The Bible is authentic history. It is not edited, redacted or cleaned up. Eyewitnesses of history wrote what they saw. The book of Judges tells the history of the Jews after Joshua brought them into the land of Israel up to the time before the Kings of Israel. Judges 17:6 states “In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.” God allowed foreign invaders to conquer Israel and torment the Israelites as a consequence for their disobedience to Him. But God is merciful and would send means to deliver them from their enemies if they would turn back to Him. There are ten “judges” or deliverers in the book of Judges who are credited for fighting the conquering foreign army after they had originally been defeated. That Ehud, a judge or deliverer, was successful in killing King Eglon who was the current foreign occupier of the land, was evidence of God’s help to the Israelites in defeating their tormenting enemy. All these judges are only shadows of the real deliverer or Messiah which was to come, the Lord Jesus Christ, who delivers us from our conquering enemy, Satan, the world and our sinful self.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Why did this humorous thread have to become a list of preaching justifications?
January 31st, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Bruno,
I never ever claimed that the earth is 6000 years old or that the bible claims it is. That estimate is from some moonbat minister from the 19th century.
If you’re going to flame at least flame the right target, ffs.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Number Eight: There are many laws of God which were for a specific period of time and for the Jewish race only. This law that Onan broke only was authoritative for descendants of Abraham until the time of the Messiah. Onan, not wishing to give his brother credit for paternity under the system of Jewish law, spilled his seed on the ground, whereupon God slew him also for the Levirate law laid down the rule for the Jews that a man inheriting his brother’s cattle and lands should also cohabit with his deceased brother’s wife or wives and raise a direct heir for his brother’s property. The purpose of the law was the allow the Messiah to come through the line of Abraham. When Jesus came this law was no longer necessary.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:54 pm
To #342:
Thus spake Bruno: “He did this so we weren’t robots, FORCED to love Him. Thus, we had a choice and when we made the wrong choice to rebel, things changed for the worse.”
Yes, as I understand it the offer from bible-gawd is and always has been: Worship me or I will roast you in hell for three back-to-back eternities with only a ciggie break inbetween.
Only a gullible coward acquiesces to such duress.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:55 pm
#350
Jesus came?
January 31st, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Remember in Dogma when Chris Rock said, something to the effect of, all religions are the same. All religions around the world are beliefe’s of the same god. Taking this idea further, who’s to say that the belief is many gods is not simply the belief in the many aspects of a God: mercy, love, wrath. The same God as in the bible. And they say that God’s expirament with humanity is the greatest ever attempted. What would make this expirament more
interesting then telling different groups of them that you are god, just saying it in different ways. Now God sits back guides them, lets them fight, and see’s if they can figure out they all believe in the same thing, The same GOD(S)
January 31st, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Number Seven – Judges 17:6 states “In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.” The result of man only doing that which is right in his own eyes is depravity of the grossest sort. God is able to save us from our depravity but there is a limit and Romans chapter one describes that even God will consider us unredeemable when we reach a certain level of rejection of Him and acceptance of depravity.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:58 pm
I think this sums up nicely what our attitude should be towards religion:
We must respect the other man’s religion, but only to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children are smart.”
– H.L. Mencken
January 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Why is it that people can believe in a giant man in the sky who watches everything you do and loves you so much that if you don’t love him back he’ll condemn you to an eternity of torture and despair… yet when i say I believe in Santa Claus
people think I’m crazy?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:03 pm
I disagree bible dude, religion should not be respected any more than any other decision that someone makes, there is no reason that just because it is their faith that we are obliged to respect it. For some reason people get very defensive hen it comes to faith.
I think that McDonalds is the best food ever and no one can argue that because its my faith. pfft…
January 31st, 2008 at 8:05 pm
#352
and then he had a nap.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Number Six: David did many ungodly things. He was only a man after God’s own heart because of his ability to repent and turn back to God after greatly sinning. Psalm 51 is the great prayer of repentance that is an example to us all. David did this depraved act of retrieving foreskins at the command of his depraved future father-in-law, Saul, who requested this as the dowry for marrying his daughter. Than he gives his daughter to another man after David accomplishes this disgusting act. Don’t be fooled. All the “saints” of the Bible are real people who committed real sins, just like the people of today. It is so beautiful that God will forgive even when we sin as badly as David. That is only possible because Jesus took our sins upon himself when he was crucified, and verified he was the Messiah by raising from the dead. That Jesus identified with David by being his ancestor and calling himself “the son of David” is showing the redemption that God brought to David for his faith and repentance.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm
H.L. Mencken was being sarcastic.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Ah makes sense now, Derp to me
January 31st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Number Five – his item is available on the Apologetics Press web site at: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2326
AP Content :: Scripturally Speaking
Why did God Want to Kill Moses?
by Alden Bass
Moses was eighty years old. He had just stood in awe before the bush that burned but was not consumed, and had received instructions from the Angel of the Lord to appear before the Pharaoh of Egypt and command him in the name of the Great I Am to release the Hebrews from their bondage. After some deliberation and hesitation, Moses accepted the mission, and immediately began making preparations. He obtained permission from his father-in-law to return to Egypt with his family, then packed up his wife and two sons and headed south. It seems they had not gone far, perhaps only the first day’s journey, when a peculiar circumstance arose. As they made arrangements to sleep for the night, the Lord met Moses and sought to kill him (Exodus 4:24). In response to this turn of events, Moses’ wife Zipporah circumcised their uncircumcised son and threw the foreskin at his feet, screaming, “You are a husband of blood!” After this, the Lord “let him go” (4:26).
This story is particularly difficult to understand because of its brevity, and the unusual wording of verse 24: “The Lord sought to kill Moses.” Though the phrasing of the verse may elicit dark images of God slinking about the encampment, waiting to ambush Moses, the fact that God would kill someone is not unusual in other contexts. The wicked were slain by God in the Great Flood because of their violent and ungodly actions (Genesis 6:1-7). The Lord killed Er and Onan, two of Judah’s sons, because of their overt rebellion (Genesis 38:7,10). In Moses’ later years, God would legislate the death penalty for those guilty of disobeying certain laws (Leviticus 20). In these instances and many more, God “killed” a person or persons, albeit indirectly. In Exodus 4, we can be assured that Moses was afflicted because he was guilty of some sin, since disobedience is the only act God punishes with death.
The sin of Moses is not stated explicitly, but the surrounding events give substantial clues as to the nature of Moses’ transgression. God had instructed his messenger to warn Pharaoh to free Israel, or risk losing his firstborn son (Exodus 4:21-23). Moses had been specially groomed by God for eighty years for this mission, and now the time for action had come. Moses was to lead his people out of Egypt, and to be an example to Pharaoh’s house, to the nation of Egypt, and to all the nations that heard of those happenings (Exodus 18:10-11; Joshua 2:10-11). Accordingly, Moses’ personal life had to be in order before he could direct the spiritual lives of the Hebrew people. It seems that Moses had neglected to administer the sacred rite of circumcision, the act that symbolized the Almighty’s covenant with His chosen people. Perhaps this was the result of pressure from his surrogate Midianite tribe; more likely he was persuaded by Zipporah not to circumcise his son, since she apparently found the practice revolting (4:25). This would explain her violent outburst; she felt that she had saved her husband from death by shedding the blood of her son. Whatever the cause, Moses’ outstanding sin made him unfit to serve as a spiritual leader, and the situation had to be rectified before he could carry out his mission effectively. Indeed, as soon as Zipporah performed the act, the Lord “let him go.”
Though the details of this mysterious story are absent, the underlying message is plain. Disobedience, whether by acts of omission or commission, result only in punishment and ultimately death.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Dwight, your friends need to organize an emergency intervention for you. You have been totally brainwashed.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Bible dude
I completely agree, maybe he is trying to save a soul or something.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Now Dwight trots out tired old Christian Apologetics in order to demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that you can’t polish a turd.
Thanks for reminding of this, Dwight.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Who brain washed you Bibledude, your just as convicted about your beliefs as Dwight and just as imformed. So back the fuck up and let my man work.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:12 pm
You can always tell who the godbots are by the fact that they never engage in debate because that requires thinking. All they do instead is copy and paste scripture and embarrassingly bad apologetics.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:12 pm
So so angry,
Watch out, don’t step on the faith!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Hey asshole, im debating you
January 31st, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Tristan, I get really pissed too when someone tells me that they don’t worship Binky the 40 Ft Carrot God. Binky is the true master of the universe and used to give Jesus wedgies back in high school.
A terrible fate awaits those who do not worship Binky. He gives them free choice in the matter but if they don’t he simmers them in a thick vegetable stew for all eternity.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:18 pm
That is not arguing, apologetics and scripture is not arguing, I cant see any justified discussion here, its just shouting…..
Argument
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In general parlance, an argument is a discussion involving conflicting points of view.
lol
January 31st, 2008 at 8:19 pm
This reminds me of the Monty Python sketch about a man looking for an argument.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:20 pm
January 31st, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Hey, the smerkis is looking for a civilized duscussion. Confused as to why u guys care just as much about spreading ur non belief as christians care about spreading their belief. Sounds like your pedaling a religion of non-belief over here.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Apologetics. What a term. How good is your religion if you need teams of people to defend and justify it?
Do you expect those who blindly subscribe to a dogma to think skeptically and ask hard questions? I suppose some do, but most cut-and-paste.
I respect people but I don’t have to agree with someone else’s belief or take it seriously. Ask a Christian how seriously they take Mormons or Scientologists. They often treat these other cults as foolish and dismiss them out of hand. Yet they are offended when others call their arguments specious. They practice a double standard. “Respect me and my religion and give it a chance, I can explain away inconsistencies. Those Zeus followers are crazy, however.”
January 31st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
What would the point of our discussion be if I did not have a conflicting position?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
I have always had a particular contempt for scripture slingers.
You tell these yokels that you can’t accept the bible as the word of god. You tell them that it’s a man made book produced by an ancient and ignorant tribal people.
What’s their response? Why they point to passages in the bible that say it is the word of bible-gawd.
Do’h!
Circular logic called and said you’re a moron.
Using circular logic we must also conclude that every super hero is real too because a comic says he is.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:30 pm
@smerkis
Anyway, you really haven’t set yourself up for any type of discussion, since all you have done is sit there and throw derogatory comments at anyone who tries to argue with our blind resident preacher.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Tristan: assuming what u just said means that u do push your philosophy of non belief on others, why do u get mad when others attempt to convince you of thier view points. Responding with contempt and anger.
In regards to my hypocracy on the subject of responding to others views with anger. I am only a dick to bibledude.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:36 pm
This quote is food for thought:
“If the Bible and my brain are both the work of the same Infinite God, whose fault is it that the book and my brain do not agree?” –Robert G. Ingersoll
I had many years of schooling at a religious school and slowly but surely came to see religion, Christianity specifically, as bullshit.
As an adult I tried to revisit religion and see if there was anything there for me. There wasn’t.
So am I to blame for not being able to believe in something for which there isn’t one shred of proof?
I suppose from the believers’ warped perspective I am. LOL!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:37 pm
No not pushing my beliefs, more defending my position and this lists position when I come here and get scripture forced down my neck. This list is very funny, and what is also very funny is how defensive everyone becomes when their faith has somehow questioned, even if not directly.
You can see why the Israelis the Palestinians don’t get on.
Oh and please don’t get anger confused with my utter amusement.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:40 pm
i think the proof lies in existence it self. In the fact that life is too visciously complex to be coincidence. Also if god was as much of a dick as u say he is do u think he would let you bash him like you do. I happen to think it says alot about god that he lets u say what you do. Hitler killed everybody who disagreed with him.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Christianity is just “Fire Insurance”.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Tristan, I put the smerk on ignore hours ago. You’ll get higher quality debate from a rock.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
This sums up Xianity perfectly:
“He came down to earth as an incarnation of Himself, to sacrifice Himself to Himself in order to forgive His people, who he made in the image of Himself, and save them from–wait for it!–the wrath of…HIMSELF!!!”
January 31st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I think a good piece of reading would be the Cargo Cults that appeared in the early 1900s.
You can see how easily religion can start
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
Enjoy XD
January 31st, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Bible: yet you still acknowledge my existence, you hypocritical dousche. You say you dont like when people quote scripture to you but u quote atheists to them. You say you are just as tolerant as christians even u dont believe in the same things when, in fact, you refuse to tolerate their beliefs and assume they are unitelligent cowards.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Yes, it is fire insurance for the lazy and insincere.
Here’s the irony in all thsi. If heaven were an actual place it would be the de facto hell because it would be full of Xians.
Who the hell would want to spend an eternity with Xians?
January 31st, 2008 at 8:53 pm
#387
Smerk, I respect your onanistic ways, but you spelled douche wrong.
I think most skeptics would just point out what they view as circular arguments and lack of convincing evidence. That doesn’t mean another person might not find it convincing. Clearly a lot of smart people have faith in religions. It doesn’t make sense to me, but my arguments won’t convince those who have already convinced themselves that their religion fits their world-view.
I’ve thought about starting a religion Tristan. Have I mentioned sometimes I hear voices? Usually they are telling me to seek out Asian porn on the Internet, but sometimes they tell me of gods and demons and aliens and airplanes filled with souls headed for volcanoes. Wait… damn you LRH, you stole that!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:55 pm
I just cant wait for John Frum to bring me my cargo.
There was an excellent quote by the tribes leader.
“If you can wait 2000 years for jesus, and he no come, then I can wait 50 years for John Frumm”
January 31st, 2008 at 8:59 pm
#388
BD, I have often thought the same thing. My thoughts go like this:
“If I have to spend an eternity with someone, why would I want to spend it with a god I don’t respect, who uses fear and bribes to coerce people to worship him, and then threatens to torture and damn innocents who never heard of him, children who died before they learned of him, etc.? If I feel he is, by all accounts, loving to his chosen one moment and then committing genocide and sending gays to hell the next, this is about the last guy I want to hang out with sipping cocktails for eternity.”
Heaven sounds nice when you are afraid of dying, it gives you some comfort until you think too much about it and realize it makes no sense. Give me a dirt nap over that, puh-lease. (Or, make me the Highlander, so I can live a really long time until some other guy cuts off my head.)
January 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm
If there is a heaven, i believe it is full of rivers of beer and soda, hot chicks with size DD’s running and bouncing around having pillow fights, casinos everywhere, huge tropical beaches, and bars farther than the eye can see.
The Promise Land
Well my promise atleast
January 31st, 2008 at 9:16 pm
sorry to jump back, i am the one who borught up the 6000 year old earth, true the bible never actualy gives a number of years since the world was created, there isn;t some clock in it that says “earth created 6029 years 8 hours 17 minutes, 12.4 seconds this sentence” but it does give how long people lived and how old they were when a decednedt was born, and by adding those ages up can make an estimate on it, in the cultures at that time in that part of the world did start calenders it was based on the ruler at the time, our current date of 2008 comes from the ruler at the time of Christ’s birth, oddly it is miscalculated becuase a couple or so years after Christ’s birth the ruler changed his name, not resetting the time of ruling but just confusing scribes, even calling this the ACE still uses the same problem
but indirectly the bible does give an age of the earth and the inhabitants, but not with an exaxt number, thats why 6000 is a rough estimant, thats been the conciensus for like 20 years, becuase you have to go through lots of genalities in the bible and not in it, so 6000 is a rough estimant, no one on earth for sure knows the exact age, considering no one here now was there at the time
January 31st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
These stories were amazing! Most of them I’d never even heard of! Makes you wonder what those guys were thinking when they wrote them…
January 31st, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Taos, no one knows the exact number of years, but it is roughly 4.6 billion years old, not that bible bullshit saying 6000 years, If you want proof, ask a scientist how old the oldest fossil is, he’ll say, about 10 million years (not sure, saw it on t.v. and forgot the exact years, somewhere in the millions)
January 31st, 2008 at 9:29 pm
bible dude: i’m sorry your 2nd grade teacher said those things to you. i hope one day you are able to see those aspects of God that you either choose not to see or are unable to see right now. my life has found purpose and meaning in the God of the Bible. taking the Bible as a whole sheds all sorts of light on the particulars.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
What particulars would they be?
Some sort of explanation of the bad things in your life, that there is a plan for you, that you will go to heaven?
How does that complete you, how would you be different without that, with a good set of moral values you could be the same person, less a layer of smugness because you thing we are all going to hell.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:34 pm
I like candy.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Csimmons: You dont need to ask about the oldest fossil. They can age rocks and that is how they get back billons of years.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Especially reeses
January 31st, 2008 at 9:36 pm
“Nobody knows the age of the human race, but everybody agrees that it is
old enough to know better.”
-Anonymous
January 31st, 2008 at 9:49 pm
“I like fishy crackers!” – Cheese from Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Athiest= Someone who has grown up enough to no longer believe in imaginary friends.
I found this on the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster comments after a news report.
Here is a link to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. http://www.venganza.org/
January 31st, 2008 at 10:20 pm
MORAL OF #1 GIVES US A CLUE ,JT is BALD
I AIN’T MAKING FUN OF IT .PLEASE DON CURSE ME
January 31st, 2008 at 10:27 pm
#1 actually could be explained with simple genetics (if the cattle color is determined by simple dominant-recessive genetics). If the plain color was the dominant trait and the stripes the recessive, then it is entirely possible that two heterozygous parents (displaying the plain coat phenotype) could mate producing a portion of offspring bearing the recessive phenotype (i.e. stripes/spotted coats). In this way a bunch of Jacob’s plain colored cattle could end up producing a good number of striped offspring.
However, if this is the case this still means that only a fraction of the offspring would bear the striped coat, not all of them as the story implies.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:50 pm
ok heres something to think about humans have free will angels were not given free will and yet,,, lucifer was able to rebel against god ???? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
to those that always bring up that theres no proof of evolution hello theres no proof that anything in the bible ever happened either but you believe that
January 31st, 2008 at 10:58 pm
This list is SWEET! Gangsta ass Bible stories…and lets not forget 2 Kings 6:28-29 about the cannibal ladies. Check it out….Bizarre indeed
6:28 And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son tomorrow.
6:29 So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:02 pm
tristan: i apologize if what i said came across as smug. that was not my intention. regardless of what you might think i believe, when did i ever say i thought you were going to hell?
as far as your question, my life is absolutely enriched by faith in the Living God. however, just about any reason i could give will most likely be met with ridicule by those who consider themselves too smart to fall for the lie of organized religion.
for me, to see that i am fully known yet fully accepted is an amazing thought. you see, i wasn’t always the upstanding citizen i am now. i know “what evil lurks in a man’s heart”. i know i am capable and culpable for alot of it.
i know what i am deserving of in the eyes of a the Holy God. to answer someone’s objection from earlier, how can a finite transgression be punished infinitely? because the trangression is against a perfectly holy being.
if i punch jayfray in the face, we would probably fight and i wouldn’t be welcome back to LV. if i punch the govenor of texas in the face, i will be taken down with extreme prejudice and jailed indefinately. if i punch the president of the united states in the face, there will be a 3 inch exit wound in my head from a sniper’s rifle. the transgression is the same in each instance, however the one being offended is greater in each one. therefore, the status of the one offended comes into play. if we offend the supreme, perfect ruler of everything, should we not expect supreme, perfect punishment?
i’ll say again, to know that i am fully known and fully accepted is quite staggering.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Dischusker, if I may ask, is there some valid reason why you refuse to start your sentences with a capitol letter? Is a broken shift key?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:19 pm
i’ll say again, to know that i am fully known and fully accepted is quite staggering.
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I feel exactly the same way since becoming a member of the Church of Binky the 40 Foot Carrot God.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:24 pm
just always done my online coorespondence that way. no particular reason. perhaps i am channeling e.e. cummings.
i notice you do not interact with the substance of my statement, just ridicule.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Well to be honest, your claims are about as convincing as someone claiming that they have an invisible parrot perched on their shoulder.
How am I supposed to respond to such a claim?
Either you see the invisible parrot on his shoulder or you don’t.
What more is there to say? Would you prefer that I lie and say that I too see it?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Regarding Jesus and the fig tree
Jesus is describing this blog, from just a link in del.icous it looked like I could learn from it, entertaining, fruit if you may, fruit is enjoyable.
but when you get hear and read the posts, the fruit is green. nothing enjoyable. very young.
its a big let down, buzz kill
; surely you know I am messing with you. apply what I just said to the churches in these last days. allot of activities, no bible studies etc. no fruit.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:42 pm
I wish I had an invisible parrot on my shoulder. I’ve always liked parrots.
In all honesty, (and I’m not trying to offend anyone or pick a fight) religion is a dumb thing to debate. Neither the believers or the non-believers are ever going to change their minds. What is the point? You can’t prove or disprove the existence of God. You either believe or you don’t, that’s what faith is all about isn’t it? Why not just agree to disagree and stop ridiculing each other?
Then again, if people could do that there wouldn’t be as much war as there is in the world. Wishful thinking. Oh well, back to my utopia.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:48 pm
i was asked how my life was made complete by belief in the God of the Bible. i answered that question. you call me an idiot. i’m not asking you to understand.
if you haven’t noticed yet, one of the joys of LV is that there is civil interaction.
if i ask you a question and don’t like your response to answer you with, well, you’re a jackass, is hardly inline with civility.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:51 pm
miss destiny: regardless of the topic, if something was potentially life changing, even if it was offensive, wouldn’t you want to know about it?
what if you spent your whole life investing, developing and marketing product X? i found out product X was going to kill you. would you want to know?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:53 pm
The problem is that the believers want to ram their beliefs down everyone’s neck. Sometimes this is motivated by a desire to save them and more often out of a sense of smug superiority.
I’m saved and you’re not! So I’m better than you.
Why not just keep your beliefs to yourself and then you won’t get blowback.
Like the bumpersticker says:
If you don’t pray in my schools, I won’t think in your churches.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Jacob and the case of the magical genetics – The moral of this story?
easy… Jacob was a schemer.
You know, As a Christian I am always shocked, something so easy to understand, yet some don’t get it, even if you make it clear as day..
Then I remember verses like this one.
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers….
January 31st, 2008 at 11:56 pm
what if you spent your whole life investing, developing and marketing product X? i found out product X was going to kill you. would you want to know?
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Of course, if you can provide some friggin P-R-O-O-F!
It’s not enough in the adult world to simply declare that some invisible pixie is beaming messages into your brain pan.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:57 pm
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers….
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Then blame your idiotic god not us.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:59 pm
What is this? msn chat?
I post and you replace with a message?
You want to be my chat buddy?
dude, you would not DARE leave what I posted. why? your atheistic religion is weak. just like islam, when someone challenges you, you take them out.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:01 am
I’m all for learning about religion and stuff, it’s just the back and forth banter between Atheists and believers that gets old after awhile.
I am a person who believes in a God, I don’t call myself a Christian, I just believe that there is some sort of higher being that we call God. I suppose you could call me Agnostic? I don’t expect an Atheist to understand that, therefore I wouldn’t bother even trying to debate with one on the matter. I’m not going to change their mind, and they’re not going to change mine. For me, you either believe or you don’t. If you don’t, that’s your choice, don’t disrespect me for my choice and I’ll respect you for yours. It’s when folks on either side of the debate get disrespectful that I get annoyed with the whole thing, and that’s a lot of what goes on because both sides get frustrated that they can’t get their point across.
I know in my heart what I believe, and feels right to me. I don’t feel the need to defend it with such passion. Not because I am not passionate about my beliefs, not in the least, simply because I am satisfied and comfortable enough in my own faith to handle the beliefs of another who doesn’t feel as I do.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:02 am
Here’s the problem.
Some adults claim to have an invisible friend. This friendship provides a feeling of specialness which they never experienced before in life. This imaginary friend promises them all sorts of rewards in an afterlife.
So far no problem.
Where the problem arises is when these people start insisting that everyone believe in their invisible friend.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:04 am
You people are in for a special treat.
This is religion from a non-believer’s point of view. Listen carefully as this parody covers every major point in your belief system.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:06 am
miss destiny,
I suppose you could call me Agnostic?
I wouldn’t call myself that, in Latin agnostic means ignoramus ( I am not being cheeky, look it up yourself )
and may I ask, which god do you believe in? there are MANY
and atheists believe they are god.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:12 am
verycheeky – Well thank you for pointing that out, I had thought that “Agnostic” was a term for someone who believed in a God but wasn’t exactly sure what exactly He/She/It is/was.
I just believe in one God that created the Universe and everything in it. I don’t know about OTHER Gods, though I am open to the possibility.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:17 am
and atheists believe they are god.
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Well that’s just plain dumb. Are you maybe a fundie trying to pass as an agnostic?
If any atheist believed that he was god he would be going mad from trying to make all the pain and suffering go away and not seeing any results.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:30 am
Wow, great stuff…why don’t you do a peice on the Koran ? I won’t hold my breath ;—)
February 1st, 2008 at 12:31 am
http://psom.blogspot.com/2006/01/theism-atheism-agnosticism-and.html
“I’ve never liked the word “agnostic” anyways. To me it has always been just a weasely way to get out of being asked if you believe in God.
Broken down to its latin roots, “agnostic” means one who does not know. In my experience, no one ever asks you if you know if there’s a god. They ask if you believe there’s a god. Answering “agnostic” doesn’t answer the question in the least. You either believe (theist) or don’t believe (atheist). None of us know one way or the other, so we are all agnostics. The term therefore conveys zero information and isn’t even worth uttering.”
February 1st, 2008 at 12:47 am
gnostic, means to know
agnostic means not to know, ignoramus
muse means to think
Amuse means not to think
theist means to believe
atheist means…. you get the picture!
February 1st, 2008 at 12:47 am
I agree with many of these stories. As a committed Christian some disturb me, like the one where the guys offers his daughter to be raped.
One has to keep in mind that the Bible is not a record of the things that God condones and condemns. It’s also a record of happenings. In other words, you can be sure God doesn’t condone offering your children to be raped.
As for the fig tree, the moral of the story is that you must bear fruit. In other words, if you’re a Christian, people must be able to see the “fruit” of that decision in your life.
I’m going bald so I’m perfectly fine with the 1st story.
As for story 8, I totally agree. Christian leaders abuse this verse cause it’s literally the only verse they can find that remotely deals with masturbation. When in fact, God didn’t have a problem with the guy w@nking, he had a problem with the guy not obeying God by giving his brother a heir. In those times having a heir was very high up on the priority list. As a committed Christian, I still think this story and some of the others are a load of bull-$hit which just confuse people. I don’t let it put me off God though.
(I had to mask the swear words for my company internet filter)
February 1st, 2008 at 12:48 am
How is it ignorant to admit to not knowing the unknowable?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:10 am
Well, unlike CoS, I’m glad that Christians are not banned from using the internet… =)
February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 am
James M (#428) – if someone sends me in a list of the Top 10 Bizarre Tales in the Quran, I will publish it – I have posted articles here on various other weird religions and their practices – I don’t discriminate
February 1st, 2008 at 2:14 am
About: 7. A very disturbing tale
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In Quran there is a story similiar to that one but with major differences:
A town became so sinful, they held wild sex parties. There are few people that rejected that life stlye and one of them is a prophet (I forgot the name). Anyway, one night God sent two angels in form of most handsome man. These men seeks shelter in prophet houses for the night. But townfolks decided to rape those two. Prophet tries to defend. A while later, two men relieve their true identity to prohpet, saying “now you see how disgusting they are? Take the believers with you and leave the town now and never look back. We deal with the crowd”.
So in the end town leveled and good people is saved.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:22 am
This is good stories, thing is that they are wroten to not be understand! so, pray much, much… maybe God helps you to understand!
February 1st, 2008 at 2:34 am
J.Frater, I may do a top10 list for Quran. But since Im muslim, it wont be funny
By the way, Quran also has “3. Even God is proud of his backside”
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In our version, God shows its reflection and Moses overwhelmed with beauty and goes to sleep.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:52 am
I think everyone needs to relax about this list. They were very different times when the Bible was writen. They had merit somehow-but like all things, as time goes by, we evolve our thinking and the meanings of things evolve with us. These tales simply seem ridiculous in the context of our society. Sort of like the reason people say “bless you”-originally, it began because people believed you were sneezing out your soul. Now that sounds pretty ridiculous these days doesn’t it.
So relax. No invalidation of the Bible as a respected and revered book to a lot of people was intended I’m sure. Know your own faith and trust in it. If you do, then let the opinions and chastizing of others roll off your back. You know where you stand in terms of your faith. No one can take that from you.
BTW, I’m not Christian. Just like a little peace is all.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:03 am
Bibledude
“The problem is that the believers want to ram their beliefs down everyone’s neck. Sometimes this is motivated by a desire to save them and more often out of a sense of smug superiority.”
Smug superiority like posting no less than 1,000 times on this particular topic looking to pick a fight with those you deem closed minded and arrogant. Are you trying to debate people or convert them to your way of thinking? You seem to be an intelligent guy…im assuming guy from the dude part of your name, if you are not a guy, my appologies. Why try to pick a fight with us brainwashed fundies? How is it closed minded to believe in a god, wheras it is open minded and enlightened to not believe? Ultimatly nobody is going to make you change your mind, by arguing, just as your not going to change anyone elses mind. What led to this deep seeded hatred? Either way, good luck, and lay off the hate. Your fundie friend.
Ozhan, i would love to read a list on the quaran, i think it would be very informative and just interesting to read, please do it!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:35 am
Dude, your post is #438 here. So how could I have posted “1000times”?
braindeadfundie,
Which part of “blowback” do you not understand?
For decades now you people have been trying to turn the USA in a theocracy, a Xian version of Iran.
So now you are are getting people calling you on your BS.
If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen, son.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:39 am
While reading the tales I was thinking, “Good Lord!” and “Oh God!” which is sort of ironic.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:57 am
bible dude, than you for pointing out my folly of confusing the number 440 with 1000. I was joking bud, of course you didn’t post a thousand times, if you had where would you have the time to find your reputable bible experts? You people seems to be a large planket statment…do you mean christians, white people, people over 6 foot, ect? Please to show me some basis for believing that christianity is turning america into a christian version of iran? You cant just make blanket statments and not back them up. If by heat in the kitchen you mean throwing out vague and innacurate statments then it does seem to be getting a little steamy in here, but i can deal.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:59 am
I am definitely going to do a list on the history of the Bible – from 0 -> now. What fun that will be!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:03 am
that would be an awesome history jfrater, but so long, you are a champion of research and list thanks for all the good reads man, you keep me entertained.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:04 am
Jamie, are you sure you have enough bandwidth? (do they still say “bandwidth?”)
February 1st, 2008 at 4:19 am
braindeadfundie: I am glad you are entertained – that is our aim
Drogo: well – once we get the new cluster set up I am sure we will cope with the backlash
February 1st, 2008 at 4:37 am
In my humble understanding, these verses are not written to satisfy our group of talented people.Those days, they have way of living , thinking and telling stories. World had been here very long time we were born and we can not claim any thing was created or evolutioned because we are coming.
In Southeast Asia, eating balut is as common as the rising sun.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:19 am
Great post. I kinda feel that the “virgin” story rates as the weirdest, though. I mean, come on ! Me thinks Mary was, um, “playing around a bit” and couldn’t tell her parents coz they would have thrashed her to death, so, guess what mom ? I’m a pregnant virgin ! Yeah, right !
February 1st, 2008 at 6:11 am
Bible Dude;
Why are you mean? I don’t agree with fundamentalist religion, and I’ve said so,,,,And I don’t believe the bible is “from” God. I believe the bible is “of” God. And don’t give me no crap about how the bible is of the “church” and not of god…why? Because in the beginning of monotheistic (forget spelling, its’ too early)religion (either jewish or christian) where the hell else did you go to proclaim your faith? where the hell else would our beliefs have evolved from? Even your beliefs. You obviously believe in God, just not the bible. Fine! but you are unnecessarily mean and patronizing and arrogant about it. Stop being such a prick!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:36 am
Ozhan; that’s why my husband always falls asleep right after _____…he’s overcome by my beauty…lol
February 1st, 2008 at 6:38 am
Good grief! I’m gone for 14 hours and the list gets 300 more comments! Well there is no way I am gonna read through all of those.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:01 am
Mystern: they are worth a read – some are very interesting and others are very telling
February 1st, 2008 at 7:08 am
Geez JF, I’m gonna have to spend hours reading all of them . . . I do have a job you know . . . oh well, I guess I’ll get to reading . . .
Now where was it I left off?
February 1st, 2008 at 7:20 am
re orzan #435: that same story is in the Bible in Genesis 19. it was the town of sodom, which was destroyed immediately therafter for it abundance of wickedness.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:21 am
jayfray: why does the comment counter at the top of the page have a higher number than the actual number of comments? it is at 464 now when there are only 454 listed.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:24 am
bibledude: the brainwashedfundie has a point about you trolling for a fight with a, shall we say, less than accomodating attitude. you are over 15% of this list.
csimmons begging for a dvd is probably the only higher percentage.
oh, and jayfray on the drinking lists.:)
February 1st, 2008 at 8:17 am
After reading this, I have only a few thoughts.
1) I wonder what morals George Carlin would’ve pointed out from the stories.
2) I’m glad that my parents didn’t make me go to church and let me choose my own religion.
3) I guess that even Jesus had those days where he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:45 am
As regards number Nine, you write”Ehud is the Bible’s sneakiest assassin (and also the only left-handed person mentioned in the Holy Book).
Read Judges 20:13-16. This passage references “…several hundred chosen me who were left-handed…”
A guess you are a bit loosey goosey with your comments, eh?
February 1st, 2008 at 8:59 am
WOW! The Author is SO wrong on number Six. They attribute this story as 1 Kings 18:25-27. WRONG!
The story is actually from 1 Samuel 18:25-27. Saul demands the death of 100 Philistines at David’s hand, and to prove he has done it, he wants David to bring back 100 foreskins as evidence. David handily accomplishes this, killing 200 Philistines. He then goes on to prominence by waring against the Philistines, ultimately becoming king of Isreal.
Anyone who gets commentary as wrong as this author does, should fear for his own foreskin!!!
February 1st, 2008 at 9:11 am
Natasha – “The Author is SO wrong on number Six. They attribute this story as 1 Kings 18:25-27. WRONG!”
See comments #281 and #290
February 1st, 2008 at 9:12 am
Natasha: no – it is not incorrect. 1 Samuel is actually 1 Kings in the Catholic Bible (which is the most widely used and oldest in the world). 1 Kings in protestant Bibles is the same as 3 Kings in the original Bible.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:27 am
This bible thing is a great way to institute law and order into a society. Maybe we should think about doing this kind of thing and have Tom Cruise as our modern day Jesus.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:59 am
about bibledude trolling, i came to that colclusion yesterday he complains that people are shoving the bible down his throat yet he is one the arguing and everyone else is just defending themselves
but bibledude and the others arguing for the older earth and using carbon dating, carbon dating is a theory, again cannot be proven, just used as a rough estimate without knowing for sure, carbon dating is used by testing carbon levels in something, using the half life of carbon 14 and to get that it is only what we guess based on lab experments in a clean room, not the real world where sceintists even say they don’t know for sure the real half-life of carbon 14 only use averages (the half-life is 5730, so by using carbon dating the oldest you can say something is 11460 years old not millions)
again let me reclaim, i do not belive in religeion, i have my own belefs, i do take them from the bible but i do not take them to follow the vsast majority or becuase my family did, but becuase i found them on my own and choose to follow them and belive in them even after studing lots of sceince
God is alot like the matrix in the aspect of Faith, like what has been stated before, it is impossible to prove scientificly or not to prove His excistence (even Einstein beilived in a higher power)
February 1st, 2008 at 10:03 am
Wow so many comments! This was an awesome list Jfrater! Keep up the good work! I find it funny that people who are so against Christianity and the Bible spend most of their time talking about it! Kind of ironic!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:10 am
Bibledude, now you’re attacking the Agnostics by claiming they’re copping out of answering the “faith” question by not answering at all? No, they’re not, they’re avoiding nasty conversations involving childish name-callers like you! I should know, that’s how I survive my grandmother every Christmas! “No, Grandmum, I haven’t stopped going to church because I don’t believe in God … I just don’t believe in church in general.” Oh yes, that’d go over well.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:12 am
Kittym: that’s why my wife and I stopped going to church.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:16 am
For some reason there seems to be a large consortium of atheists on the Internet. As though they were unable to view there asinine opinions verbally, they are able to voice their disbelief through a computer. And yet, the message is always the same – HATE. Anger and hate towards Christians for a belief. Faith is all about believing in the impossible, taking it on faith that the bible is truth and to follow it is to find Utopia. Of course as you read these passags how can this be? Because other than the Jews, NOBODY pays as much attention to the Old Testament as the New where we learn about Jesus and how he portrayed compassion and NOT chopping a woman into twelve pieces and mailing them to the Tribes oif Israel. Most of these stories are from the Old Testament which means they are old news and no longer practiced, we have moved on. I find it amazing that atheists do not believe because they are convinced we evolved from apes, yet there still are apes who haven’t evolved(?), they have no faith in God because they cannot see Him, well you’ve never an AIDs virus but you believe in it’s existance and finally the beat all to end all, who created God? For some reason, the atheist cannot fathom that God uis the begining as he has taught, the Alpha and the Omega. Period. And if that isn’t good enough, then tell me if today there isn’t a HINT of a breeze and tomorrow the wind is blowing steadily at 20 mph, WHERE did the wind originate? At what exact point on Earth did that wind start? It had to start somewhere doesn’t it? Lastly, when you atheists are at death’s door and you see no light but you hear wretched screaming and moaning and pain and torture, just open the door and enter quietly, nobody will Save you and you will spend eternity as you do alive – without God
February 1st, 2008 at 10:16 am
I’m not attacking the agnostics. I’m one of them. I’m defending them from being called “ignoramuses”.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:19 am
R Brown, thanks for the middle school level claptrap.
Very persuasive.
How dare these people question the existence of my imaginary friend!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:27 am
Bible Dude if you are so right, ( which everyone believes that they are right ) why do care what all these people that you don’t even know believe?
February 1st, 2008 at 10:28 am
It’s almost like you are trying to prove it to yourself that you are right.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:28 am
Believers, a question!
How do you feel about old bible god meting out infinite punishment for finite transgressions?
All civilized societies mete out punishment commensurate with the crime. That means we don’t give a life in prison sentence to a jay walker or a $25 fine to a murderer.
Yet bible-god sends folks to hell for all time. In many cases this is simply because people were of a different faith or couldn’t in good faith bring themselves into believing in an imaginary critter.
So do you think bible god is unfair?
Here’s another question.
Civilized also does not engage in collective punishment. This means that if you do something bad, we don’t punish everyone.
Yet bible god went postal after some teen ate an apple and placed the Curse of Original Sin not only on her and Adam, but all humanity in perpetuity.
Then old bible god scratches hid head wondering why such his creation is such a mess. Even worse, he gets angry at people and punishes them even more.
It’s a bit like slashing a car’s tires and then throwing a fit because it won’t move.
Thoughts?
February 1st, 2008 at 10:29 am
My only question is, If the Bible is a historical account of things that happened, then who was the person before Adam to watch God create the world and account for the step by step? Or was that another one of those told by someone who was told by someone who heard from someone who claims God told them type of stories?
February 1st, 2008 at 10:31 am
You know what I would have done with Adam & Eve? I would have delivered a stern lecture and sent them to bed without supper.
That’s it.
In no way would I have placed the Curse of Original Sin on them and all of their descendants.
You see, I’m not an insane sadist.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:34 am
Hopefully, if a believer saw a kid torturing ants they would stop him and tell him that’s it a horrific thing to do.
Yet, this is exactly what bible god is. A torturer of ants.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:34 am
26 more to go to hit the magic 501!
Woot!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:36 am
Will that make the most commented list yet?
February 1st, 2008 at 10:36 am
God says don’t do something, we do it, we get punished, but He gives us a way out, in the old testemenat it was sacrifice of a lamb or some other animal, in the new testement there was the final sacrifice, of His perfeft Son Jesus Christ, and forgave all sins but one, the constant disbeilf in Him as God, not that we go to hell for any of the other sins anymore, but we go for not beilivng
are you saying you have never sinned or disobeyed?
February 1st, 2008 at 10:38 am
Hgaratie: It’s already the most commented on list.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:39 am
Taos, my god, the great Binky the 40 Foot Carrot God, simmers his unbelievers in a thick veggie stew for all time.
People who don’t grovel before him enrage him that much. Are you sure you want to continue not kissing his *ss?
February 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am
oh cool! Religion is such a funny debate…no one wins or loses, and everyone comes out aggravated! It always entertaining!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am
Jesus died for our sins ??? jesus (if he existed) died 2000 years ago,, i wasnt around then so i didnt have any sins for him to die for there for his sacrifice means nothing to everyone born after he died
February 1st, 2008 at 10:43 am
Taos makes a good point about his god.
He needs us to grovel before him and kiss his *ss.
Not doing so is the worst sin in his eyes. It enrages him so much that he tosses the unbelieving ants into the hellfires for all time.
I can relate.
There’s a colony of bacteria under a rock somewhere in Mongolia which refuses to worship me. I’m going to make it pay for its sin against me by pouring gasoline over it and setting it on fire!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:46 am
“Jesus died on the cross for our sins.”
Doesn’t that directly contradict the Old Testament? Judaism(Old Testament) does not believe that salvation or repentance from sin can be achieved through sacrifice on another’s behalf.
Deuteronomy 24:16 – “The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers; every man shall be put to death for his own sin.”
Can any person, who believes Jesus died on the cross for our sins, settle this dilemma?
February 1st, 2008 at 10:48 am
Bible Dude: God, being infinite, is not bound by his own laws.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:48 am
Bible Dude half of the bible contradicts the other half . proving its a bunch of bullshit
February 1st, 2008 at 10:49 am
Re #483
Can a believer explain to us why this all-powerful god needs us tiny ants to worship him?
I have never been able to get this. Obviously it’s extremely important to bible god to be worshipped by us, otherwise he wouldn’t torture us in hell for eternity if we don’t do it.
Is bible god just insecure?
Or is it insecurity coupled with extreme sadism?
February 1st, 2008 at 10:50 am
i say wheres the proof any of it is real?????????????????????????????
god creates everything then leaves nuthin to prove his existence ,,wow what a major fuck up
February 1st, 2008 at 10:50 am
Bible Dude: God, being infinite, is not bound by his own laws.
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LOL! Why not just use the ridiculous “the good lawd works in mysterious ways” reply?
February 1st, 2008 at 10:52 am
I don’t understand how such seemingly intelligent people feel that is necessary to be so hateful towards people that don’t believe what they believe. I am a christian, but there are many MANY religions out there. People have a right to believe what they want. You should respect other people’s beliefs. I don’t say your a complete fricking idiot b/c you don’t believe what I do. You’re entitled to your own beliefs. But whatever they are you should learn to have respect for everyone.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:52 am
bibledude: if you read the comments, i’ve already addressed how infinite punishment for finite transgressions is understood, #408.
as for your second question, we punish collectively for individual sins all the time. that is what war is all about. a man, acting on behalf of his nation, offended another man, reacting on behalf of his nation. the two nations go to war. all sorts of people not involved in the original trangression are punished. it’s called federal headship.
on a different level, when i go to mcdonalds my choices are limited to what they serve. i cannot reasonably expect a juicy medium-rare ribeye. a man, acting on behalf of his company, made a decision that effects all who follow and go to mcdonalds.
and one other question you asked, yes, i most certainly do think the God of the Bible is unfair. if he were fair, i would have no hope. it is only because of His overflowing grace(getting something i do not deserve) that i have any chance at all.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:52 am
Bible Dude: I merely answered your question – I didn’t expect to be scoffed at. I certainly won’t bother answering any more of your questions as they are obviously being asked merely to give you a chance to mock people.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:53 am
Well said JF.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:53 am
Ricky Gervais in a standup routine explains that the Xian fall back of “The good lord works in mysterious ways” is the equivalent of someone who when stumped for an answer asks “What’s that?!” as they point over your shoulder. Then as you turn around they run away.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:55 am
JJ – Proof? There is no proof. That’s why it’s called FAITH.
I believe in God, not so sure about the Bible stuff and the Jesus stuff (I believe he may have been a real person, not necessarily the son of God). There is no tangible proof. There is only faith.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:55 am
jfrater and bible dude about the old testement law thing, Christ was the fullfilment of the law not sent to abolish it
the reason why He was good sacrifice was becuase he was perfect, no sin
bible dude i do not expect you to beilive this, nor do i expect you to be reasonable, i find it funny you try to disprove and argue everything i say, yet i give you sceintific reasoning fron none Chirstian at the time scientists and you don’t comment on it
and as for people getting agrivated, i’m not
February 1st, 2008 at 10:55 am
Jfarter,
Thanks, bro. I have found your answers to be claptrap at best devoid of any substance.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:57 am
Bible Dude: Careful who you insult. You might end up angering the Listverse GODS
February 1st, 2008 at 10:57 am
JF Can I get a Satanic Bible for number 500?
February 1st, 2008 at 10:58 am
Taos, I really have difficulty in following your muddled reasoning. Moreover, when someone starts claiming that the earth is 6000 years old, I tend to start ignoring them.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:58 am
Shoot. I was 499
February 1st, 2008 at 10:58 am
Miss Bestiny what a copp out answer ,,and by the way i wasnt asking bout god i was asking about any events in the bible , there is no proof anything in the bible happened,,Great flood,,ten plagues ,nothin
February 1st, 2008 at 10:59 am
Damn. I feel like Csimmons.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:59 am
We did it! A new world record!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:59 am
R Brown:
You said “I find it amazing that atheists do not believe because they are convinced we evolved from apes, yet there still are apes who haven’t evolved(?)”
Evolutionists (not atheists) believe that humans and apes were evolved a common ancestor that is now extinct. Not that we were evolved from modern apes. In fact, almost every species observed from fossils is now extinct which puts a damper on the current genesis idea that every animal was made all at once, a few thousand years ago.
Believe in God all ya want, but the theory of evolution is pretty much air tight… Oh yeah and hating organized religion does not make you an atheist, there isnt only 2 things. and some Christians believe in evolution and God.
AND you dont need god in your life to feel warm and happy. Well, i dont.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:00 am
when you insult the creator (not ferrfering to God in this case but jfrater) you lose all credability, it is possible to carry out an argument or debate without getting angry or insukltiung one another, i have done that a couple of times i think and i apologize for it
February 1st, 2008 at 11:01 am
bibledude: if you read the comments, i’ve already addressed how infinite punishment for finite transgressions is understood, #408.
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No you didn’t.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:01 am
Taos: Thanks very much for the support – though I feel I should point out that JT wrote this excellent list – not me. I certainly wish I had though! I think JT has won more brownie points than ME for this one
February 1st, 2008 at 11:02 am
As fascinating as I find this thread, I’m going to lunch. See you all in half an hour.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:02 am
I have no idea who jfrater is. If he’s the host here and bans people for disagreeing with him, that’s his perogative.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:04 am
hahaha mystern
Good try
February 1st, 2008 at 11:05 am
i just wish that one thing from the bible could be proven to have happened that would be great not that i would become christian ,it would just be great
February 1st, 2008 at 11:06 am
jfrater is the site owner and writes most of the lists. I do not ban people for disagreeing with me – or for any reason in fact. Say what you want – I just won’t be answering your questions
Enjoy the site!
February 1st, 2008 at 11:08 am
although i did just join yesterday, i have read lots of the comments on my favortie lists
and they do tend to stay civil
and JJ alot has been proven, acheaolgical evidense supports the bible alot, in that things did happen, and i pointed out the astronomy (earlier i mentioned astrology, but had the wrong word and i apologize) has proven that the world stopped spinning for a day
February 1st, 2008 at 11:09 am
bibledude i find it funny still, when i show with your sceince how that your sceince is wrong you ignore me
February 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am
JJ, I agree.
When my faith started flagging I attempted to find something outside the bible to corroborate its stories.
There’s nothing.
For example, it’s funny how the Egyptians know nothing of Moses, the 10 plagues, the destruction of the pharoah’s army in the Red Sea, or the mass exodus of Jews.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:12 am
Taos, you are like the Black Knight in Monty Pytho & the Holy Grail. You get your limbs hacked off but scream that you are winning.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am
Taos do you have a site that states the world stopped spinning or anyof your claims for that matter and if its just that city x is mentioned in the bible and city x did or does exist thats not proof you know thats just the author writing about a place. i mean proof ,indisputable proof that the great flood ,the ten plagues or any of the miracles or punishments of god happened
February 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am
Well, pointless as this has been, it’s been sort of fun. I’m off to go live life. Have fun, fellow ListVersers! (Is that a word? It is now.)
February 1st, 2008 at 11:14 am
Not that Taos will read this or anything that doesn’t agree with his bizzarro world views:
King David was a nebbish
And Exodus never happened and the walls of Jericho did not come a-tumbling down. How archaeologists are shaking Israel to its biblical foundations.
http://archive.salon.com/books/feature/2001/02/07/solomon/print.html
February 1st, 2008 at 11:16 am
Bible Dude there is proof of the mass exodus of jews but it wasnt just one time it was many times over many centuries
February 1st, 2008 at 11:18 am
Taos, please stop saying that archaelogical and astronomical evidence supports the OT – it doesn’t. It should be abundantly clear to everyone that there was no global flood, ten plagues and, no the Earth did not stop spinning for a day, how can anyone possibly think that? Do you knwo what would happen if the world stopped spinning? And if you’re talking about the passage in Joshua, you can see it debunked here:
http://www.snopes.com/religion/lostday.asp
Although, why anyone would need proof that the Earth did NOT stop spinning, or that the sun stopped in the sky is beyond me.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:19 am
egyptian history does support the vast migration of millions from egypt to not in egypt 400 years after a 7 year famine
some funny history too, a signet ring has been found in the meteraina area with egyptian style and gold but stating the name of the house “Jacob”
and as for lack of evidence for the plaugues and all the bad things that happened to egytp, if you had the chance to not say the bad things that just tormented your world, would you right them down, or ignore it and not face embarrassment if you claim your leaders are gods but one just drowned in a river that a few moments before had been bone dry (heck if it was possible the gemrnas would erase hitler and world war 2 from thier history books but can’t becuase people still remeber it)
February 1st, 2008 at 11:20 am
Then it wasn’t a “mass” exodus. It was a series of trickles.
From what I have read there was never a sizable population of israelites in Egypt and those that were there weren’t mistreated in any way.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:22 am
Taos ur talkin out ur ass even if the egypts erased any knowledge of the events other people would know about it and write about it
February 1st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Taos, tell us about the remains of Noah’s Ark found atop Mount Ararat. The gubmint is hiding it with the bodies of the dead space aliens in Area 54.
This is sad.
Over the past few years fundies have cut themselves adrift from reality. They now bullshit themselves with creationism and a fabricated history.
They can’t be reasoned with any more.
Hopefully the Rapture will come soon and hoover them away. The world will then be a better far place.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:27 am
ahhh i’m getting a headache, this is why i quit debate :p
we have reached a point where neither will budge, i put agreeing to disagree on the table to keep things freindly, for i do enjoy the civil discussions here and i do want to keep it that way
keep in mind i am not giving into you guys, i am tired and have a headache now, and want to keep this place civil, i do not want to pen the doors for cooments like that of ebaums world or youtube or imdb
heck i am sure about 99% of the people here would openly admit thier geekiness
February 1st, 2008 at 11:30 am
JJ i am sure you agree on the keep it civil part, but bibledude i am guessing still that you are just a troll
February 1st, 2008 at 11:30 am
Ha i love it ,they always use the agree to disagree when you back them in a corner,,,ask for proof ,they cant provide so they run. or they use thats why they call it faith line
I’m all for haveing faith but dont try and state the bible as fact its not and there is NO colaborating evidence
February 1st, 2008 at 11:31 am
Taos i agree to disagree,,LMFAO
February 1st, 2008 at 11:33 am
Taos, I agree to disagree too!
LOL!
February 1st, 2008 at 11:34 am
Just out of curiosity, has anyone here read The Satanic Bible? It is a makes excellent points about religion in general. You can buy it on Amazon
February 1st, 2008 at 11:36 am
but bibledude i am guessing still that you are just a troll
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Such cheek! This is from someone claiming that the earth is 6000 years old.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:36 am
“Religion is the Devils greatest achievement. In the guise of religion he has pulled off his most audacious coup. He has flagrantly masqueraded as God. He has had us bow down and worship him. He has had us commit every type of evil in the name of holiness. He has passed off his bigotry as Gods opinions. He has had us segregate humanity into the believers and non believers, the saved and the damned. He has convinced us that God likes us but not them; and convinced them that God likes them, but not us. And then, in a stroke of dark brilliance, he warns his faithful flock of sheep: ‘Be sure you do not pay heed to anyone but me, for the Devil is a wily wolf and he will surely trick you’.” – Tim Freke & Peter Gandy
February 1st, 2008 at 11:41 am
i am not doing it to coneed or to back down, i just want to keep it civil, i don;t like getting angry, my hand hurts when i get angry, or holes in walls happen
we are not oging to listen to anybody, and i want to to stop it before any more insults fly and not just from trolls
and with the argument of religeon, i have said it before and i will say it again, i don’t like nor do i belive in it so i’m all for saying religeon is bad and only cuases trouble
we all have our belives and have faith in them, and for that we will never agree, then again debating isn’t about winning or getting the other to concede, its about fun, but insulsts have flown and i have gotten a headache so no more fun
February 1st, 2008 at 11:43 am
and with the argument of religeon, i have said it before and i will say it again, i don’t like nor do i belive in it so i’m all for saying religeon is bad and only cuases trouble
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You don’t believe in religion yet you persist in parroting fundie nonsense about a 6000 year old world????? Yes, that makes sense.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:45 am
Taos: well done to you for keeping things civil – I applaud you. It can be very difficult to do when faced with closed minded opposition. Just relax and check out some other lists – go and vote on the site logo on the latest list
February 1st, 2008 at 11:47 am
oh we are closed minded thats the pot calling the kettle black religious people are the most closed minded of all,,if its not in the bible it doesnt exist is the concensus with you people
February 1st, 2008 at 11:49 am
considering that is the one thing you choose to pick me aprt on, and the aliens thing at area 54, i found that funny
i know what you ment, and how you ment it, it was rather clever, bad taste but clever, considering that you don’t know my persoanl belive on extra terestial life, but i bet you can guess it and with out stating mine, yours will be the exact oppisite just to argue
February 1st, 2008 at 11:49 am
jfrater, you are amazingly biased.
Are you the one who was questioning the credentials of Princeton biblical scholar Elaine Pagels yesterday?
February 1st, 2008 at 11:51 am
JJ just for you i will give my opion on aliens, i do belive in them, the bible does not say they exist or not, and i belive in them
maybe not inteligent, but i have no reason to not belive there is something else out there
February 1st, 2008 at 11:54 am
of course aliens exist in an infinate universe there has to be life out there ,,aliens are not mention bout ufo’s are
February 1st, 2008 at 11:55 am
Taos and JJ: correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the Bible say something about “other worlds” that have been created?
As a matter of fact (this is the KJV):
Heb 1:2
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
and
Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:57 am
exactly, i am using that as my prrof that i do not fallow the fundie extremes
so calling me a fundie is funny, i wear a black trench coat, cot long balck hair, earring, love zombies and prepare for the day of attack of said zombies, run around dressed as a pirate sometimes, i am the type of person fundies would tie to a bed and try to cast the demons from me
February 1st, 2008 at 11:58 am
wow, on a list of bible stories we agree on the excistance of aliens
February 1st, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Taos:
Must simply correct you on one thing… yes, the half-life of carbon-14 *is* 5700-something years, but on that basis, you see, the stuff would have vanished from our Earth long ago. Carbon-14 is constantly “replenished” (this isn’t strictly accurate, but it’ll do for now, and I’m no physcist) by carbon’s interaction with cosmic rays, which constantly bombard the earth.
Carbon-14 can therefore be used to date items going back, I believe, well over 50,000 years, if I remember correctly.
Radiocarbon dating is eminently proveable and is not merely “theory,” Taos. We must really stop this unending dismissal and distrust of proven science.
Now, I don’t wish to seem like I’m ganging up on you. I should say this “Bible Dude” guy seems pretty damn rude and unreasonable, even if I agree with much of what he’s said (though I confess I haven’t read much of the argument).
February 1st, 2008 at 12:01 pm
This comment section has be like an episode of “As the World Turns” my grama used to watch. I always told her they should have called it “As My Stomache Turns”.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Randall, if I appear “rude” it’s due to my exasperation with dealing with people who persist in spouting nonsense in face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Re #543.
Someone needs to start The Church of Jesus Christ, Space Traveler.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:04 pm
thats why i ghave picked now to discuss aliens, since no one is arguing it, its more of a duscussion
if they are inteligent and can travel to our owrld what would thier prime directive bem, havesting humans for food, havesting our planet for resources, or other?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Bible:
I was only going on some of the stuff I’d read quickly, I haven’t had time to read the whole argument through.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:08 pm
we changed to aliens darnit, aliens, they are more fun to talk about becuase less hostility
ooooooo or alien zombies, yeah thats why they are coming, to turn us into zombies to do work for them
February 1st, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Can we please stop talking about space aliens?
Back in 1997 I was abducted by them for three days during which they performed all sorts of embarrassing experiments on my person.
Frankly, this is something I just want to forget about.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm
well so with that scenairoi why did they tell you they were coming to earth?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:13 pm
They come here for the silk.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:15 pm
for warmth or clothing, or to pee on and try to break prison bars?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:15 pm
anybody else see the inconsistency with believing in aliens and other life in the universe yet bashing christinas for believing in a God that there is no evidence for?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:16 pm
And thus my friends, there came about the end of an era. To the astonishment of all onlookers, the religious debacle had ended, trailing off into the Listverse archives with a discussion about aliens. Yes. Aliens.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
bibledude: concerning comment #508, yes i did. interact with what i said there.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:18 pm
sorry #507
February 1st, 2008 at 12:18 pm
I for one never said i didnt believe in god i just said the bible was a buch of bullshit
February 1st, 2008 at 12:22 pm
I for one never said i didnt believe in god i just said the bible was a buch of bullshit
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I’m open to the possibility of a god. However, it’s the biblical monster god who sacrifices how own son in order to save us from his own wrath.
The bible is an attempt by an ancient tribal people to make sense of their suffering. That si all. Most Xians have dropped the OT. Now it’s time to drop the NT as well.
Time to move on.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Should read: However, it’s NOT the biblical monster god who sacrifices how own son in order to save us from his own wrath.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:24 pm
that’s like saying you think the internet is of extreme importance but you think computers are a crock.
how are you to know God in truth unless you read His revelation.
the problem with leaving out the Bible is then you have a emotional experience that defines God for you. God becomes whatever you percieve. Surely if there is a supreme being, it can’t be that subjective.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:27 pm
DiscHuker: Why not? I submit that the only power God has is the power humans give him. Everything else in our existence is subjective, why not God?
And by that I mean our perception of everything else in the universe.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pm
how are you to know God in truth unless you read His revelation.
If this were true, why are there so many interpretations?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pm
DiscHuker surly the word of god would not need to be vague and need to be interprated it would be strait forward,,,and surly you know that the best way to find god is to look in your own heart and not a book
February 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pm
bibledude: if you recieve a ticket for going 100mph in a blind children’s school zone. can the judge simply dismiss the ticket and remain just? by the sacrifice of Christ, God has punished the transgression agaist his perfection yet made it so that it didn’t fracture the possibility of relationship beyond repair.
you may not like it but scripture speaks to this exact point in Romans 3:26 – “It (the cross/sacrifice) was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus”
February 1st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
there are so many interpretations because of the presuppositions that we come to the text with.
this doesn’t suggest that the original is corrupt, just the perception of it.
have you never been misunderstood in an e-mail or a post on here?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:32 pm
“Jesus died on the cross for our sins.”
Doesn’t that directly contradict the Old Testament? Judaism(Old Testament) does not believe that salvation or repentance from sin can be achieved through sacrifice on another’s behalf.
Deuteronomy 24:16 – “The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers; every man shall be put to death for his own sin.”
Can any person, who believes Jesus died on the cross for our sins, settle this dilemma for me?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:33 pm
DiscHuker: If I get a ticket for going 100mph in a blind children’s school zone, and then I say “sorry” to the judge and he forgives and I do it again and say “sorry” and then continue doing it but keep asking for forgiveness and he forgives me, but refuses to forgive one who doesn’t say “sorry” but stops going 100mph in said school zone where is the justice?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Jacob and the case of the magical genetics:
I guess the striped gene is recessive and must have manifested in later generations which coincidentally happened when Jacob painted the previous generation with stripes.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:33 pm
btw, bibledude, you are up to 19% of this list. keep it up and you might be an entire quarter. i bet if you put your mind to it you could be the majority in a couple of hours.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:35 pm
To be a Xian today, this statement must make sense to you:
“He came down to earth as an incarnation of Himself, to sacrifice Himself to Himself in order to forgive His people, who he made in the image of Himself, and save them from–wait for it!–the wrath of…HIMSELF!!!”
Personally, I find it an absurdity.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Bible Dude: The vast majority of Christians describe the phenomenon in #569 being “Christ fulfilled the law of the old testament thus the old testament is no longer valid”
Nevermind the fact that this makes no sense.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
mystern: your analogy breaks down because in the realm of forgiveness in the sight of God isn’t granted because of me saying “i’m sorry” it is given because of the cross of Christ.
Hebrews 9:22 – “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness”
God forgives at infinite cost to Himself. it isn’t merely a “wink” at our sin.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Disc, since you’re obsessed with my stats, here’s one for you: you’re batting .00
February 1st, 2008 at 12:42 pm
#575 is sheer lunacy.
It makes it sound like the universe was created by this monster solely so that he could watch his son be tortured and die.
Maybe he got off from watching it?
Reminder: being all powerful bible god could wiggle his nose like I Dream of Jeannie and make all the horror and pain stop.
But he doesn’t.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:43 pm
bibledude: based on your accounting you are probably right. to hold your baseball analogy though its .000
February 1st, 2008 at 12:43 pm
DH: Is it? To be forgiven I must ask for forgiveness, no? Regardless of any savior there may be, I must simply ask for forgiveness. If Christ died for my sins, can the judges son offer to pay the ticket in my stead? Not to the Judge he can’t. There is no justice in said bargain. And even if he did, again I ask, where is the justice? How can I be considered equal with someone who has not sinned? Screw equality for all, give me equality for equals.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Sorry, #576 is sheer lunacy.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:45 pm
I was wondering about that.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:47 pm
mystern:true, you must ask, but it is only granted because the account has been paid already.
who among us has not sinned? we are all equally in trouble. God extending forgiveness is pure grace (getting something good we do not deserve) and mercy (not getting something bad we do deserve).
February 1st, 2008 at 12:47 pm
DiscHusker, I told you yesterday that you are as credible and persuasive as a man claiming that there’s an invisible parrot perched on his shoulder without offering a shred of proof.
You live in your own twisted little world of imaginary critters who want to punish you for things you may or may not have done.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pm
i gotta step away for awhile. i’ll be back later. please don’t give me 100 comments to catch up on
February 1st, 2008 at 12:49 pm
DH: So you’re saying I should be considered equal with a murderer because God extends mercy equaly to the murderer as he does to me? That is lunacy
February 1st, 2008 at 12:49 pm
it is only granted because the account has been paid already.
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Who can follow this warped logic?
If the account has been paid already why are you fretting over it? Just relax and enjoy your stay on planet Earth while it lasts.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:50 pm
DH, don’t hurry back.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:51 pm
actualy the judges son can pay the ticket, as long as you tell them what ticket you are paying they don;t care who you are, my old boss got tickets all the time for not wear a seat belt, but he was too lazy to go pay them, so he just gave people the money and the ticket and told them togo pay it
February 1st, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Taos: But where is the justice if the son pays the ticket and I pay nothing?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Bibledude; you didn’t listen to me,,,the part about STOP BEING A PRICK
Inflaming people on purpose and insulting them is being a prick, dontcha’ know
The troll comment (hilarious) fits….
February 1st, 2008 at 12:53 pm
who among us has not sinned? we are all equally in trouble. God extending forgiveness is pure grace (getting something good we do not deserve) and mercy (not getting something bad we do deserve).
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This is an example of a cult-like brainwashing.
It’s a belief system from which there is no escape despite all the blatant contradictions visible to outsiders.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
But mooOOOooom! He started it!
February 1st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Mom, why don’t you contribute something of value to the debate instead of flinging insults at people like a 6 year old?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Oh get a sense of humor Bible Dood. It was meant as a joke.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Of course it was, Mom, of course it was. Mine was too.
Take an extra valium.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:57 pm
R Brown; sorry I disagree with you, and your tone wasn’t very nice to boot…
Most people with common sense believe the bible (those who believe in the bible)do not believe it to be the literal truth. (I’m sure some of the stuff actually did happen; ie Jesus etc)
Talking fire & brimstone alienates people, and scares them, not my kinda god….
February 1st, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Mystern its called SUCKER if some one pays for you thats there problem
if jesus died for my sins then i have nothing to worry about
i’ll steal dishonor my parents have premarital gay sex and just have fun in general cuz its already been paid for so i dont have ask for forgiveness
February 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pm
who among us has not sinned? we are all equally in trouble. God extending forgiveness is pure grace (getting something good we do not deserve) and mercy (not getting something bad we do deserve).
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My brain hurts from trying to deal with the twisted perverted logic in this.
This sums it up perfectly:
“He came down to earth as an incarnation of Himself, to sacrifice Himself to Himself in order to forgive His people, who he made in the image of Himself, and save them from–wait for it!–the wrath of…HIMSELF!!!”
Yet the people fallen victim to this brainwashing cannot see it.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pm
JF: I still want my copy of the Satanic Bible for being commenter #600. It’s only 7 dollars. And where is my panda porn?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pm
valium works wonders when you need it. I was put on valium once. Actually I was put on valium and vicodin simultaniously.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:00 pm
You know the scariest part bibledude, I agree with lots of your comments about organized religion, but I’m sorry fundamentalist agnostics are no damn better,,,,
February 1st, 2008 at 1:01 pm
ravyn; valium makes me crawl the walls, like taking 50 redbulls,,,,,pity me
February 1st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
oh wait gay sex isnt a sin only if ur bi
February 1st, 2008 at 1:03 pm
All of you: Bible, Taos, etc. etc.:
Look.
What this discussion is proving is that it’s sheer folly to try to interpret the Bible literally. Which is what fundamentalist Christians insist we do. Well sorry guys–the text is chock-full of contradictions and horrors. Clearly, it ain’t meant to be read as literal.
Atheists (which I am not) and Fundamentalists both make the same mistake, in dismissing the *metaphoric* meaning of the Bible. (Atheists of course also dismiss the literal as well, which I agree with them on). Metaphorically, it’s rich, powerful, mysterious and moving. Literally, as I said, it makes no sense and is horrific.
Anyone who knows anything about Eastern religions, for instance, knows that the great poetry within them is much more reflective of our existence than *literally* interpreted Christianity is. Life IS a great horror; it’s got death, violence, terror and misery in it…. along with joy and beauty. ALL of it is simply the foreground of a much larger background picture that is the wonder of everything around us–the cosmos, life, all of it.
And there IS a mystery to all this, it isn’t just what’s at our fingertips and in our eyes.
This is obvious–so obvious that the need for fundamentalists to force a LITERAL interpretation on it all has never made sense to me. It reduces the universe to… crap. It utterly lacks imagination, depth, and most of all… beauty. The fundamentalist universe and fundamentalist god are both ugly and nasty and chilling. And at bottom, stupid.
Clearly, fundamentalists so reduce the world because they are scared, servile people who have a deep need for a sense of *control* over the universe–they have a need for an AUTHORITY who will guide their every move, if only they submit.
No, that’s not what we were meant for. You know it, I know it, we all know it.
Equally, don’t toss out what the Bible tells us about ourselves POETICALLY. We need some of that stuff–it helps us to be human. As anyone here knows about me, I am beholden to science. It’s key to my life. But I recognize that there is more than science. There’s more than the world I can see and touch. And a lot more to god than the shallow picture of him fundamentalists want to force down our throats.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:03 pm
mom: valium alone does nothing for me. vicodin alone does nothing for me… both put together relaxes so well
February 1st, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Let me put it another way.
Bible-god, being omniscient, knew before he created the world that his creation would become such a cluster-f*ck in short order, that he would have to knock up a virgin, have a child with her, and then sacrifice the son in some perverse blood orgy, to satiate his own need for revenge on his creation.
WTF?
If I was god, I would have gone back to the drawing board after seeing this and redesigned the world and mankind so that it wouldn’t be such a disaster.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:04 pm
jj; people do not have gay sex just for fun, they have gay sex because they are gay….
you are confusing homosexuality with hedonism.
(look it up if you are not familiar with the word)
February 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Mom EVERYONE HAS SEX FOR FUN
February 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
AH Hedonism . . . What fun!
February 1st, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I believe that the Bible is a wonderful book. A collection of STORIES. A collection of moral stories like the boy who cryed wolf or jack and the bean stalk. They have a wonderful meaning behind them. As long as you don’t look at them in the literal sense.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I sometimes have sex to express how much I love my wife . . .
February 1st, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Randall, good post there in 605.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:11 pm
and from my interpratation only bisexuality is a sin not homosexuality
February 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
jj; note i said “just” for fun,,,
ps; did you look up hedonism yet? LOL
February 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
“fundamentalist agnostics”
The oxymoron of the day!
February 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
In the absence of anyone who cares anymore about this discussion let’s go back to aliens shall we?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Oh I meant the bible discussion not the sex one . . .
February 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm
jj; i believe that bisexuality is naturally occuring. i have no trouble believing that you can be attracted to both sexes. check out livescience.com, they did an article on just that.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Wow – I must say another great list – over 600 posts. Hiya Jfrater and kiwiboi
February 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Let me put it another way.
Bible-god, being omniscient, knew before he created the world that his creation would become such a cluster-f*ck in short order, that he would have to knock up a virgin, have a child with her, and then sacrifice the son in some perverse blood orgy, to satiate his own need for revenge on his creation.
WTF?
If I was god, I would have gone back to the drawing board after seeing this and redesigned the world and mankind so that it wouldn’t be such a disaster.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Mom i know for a FACT that both Bi and Homosexuality is naturaly occurring
February 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pm
bibledoooood; i hope you realize i was aware of that, i figure most listverse readers are intelligent enough to get it…
February 1st, 2008 at 1:16 pm
I seriously doubt it.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:18 pm
and its only a sin because some person decided to put in the bible not “god”
February 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
If bible-god hates gay so much why does he insist on making so many of them?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pm
mystern; good for you…i have morning sex for the same reason….
February 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
SarahJ: hey
This list has far surpassed any other for comments – the closest had 500 and something but with a competition attached – obviously – short of sending someone a DR Bible – I couldn’t make a competition for this one
February 1st, 2008 at 1:26 pm
BibleDude: you don’t believe in God – why do you think he “makes” gays – or straights – or anyone at all for that matter? Oh wait – you don’t – you just want to get people to speak from their hearts so you can bash them down with your vitriol. A very wise man once made a comment that I think rather apt for this list:
Thou dost protest too much, methinks.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm
comment #605 is probably the single greatest thing i have ever read. no kidding.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Wow! I checked my mailbox and in were 81 emails timestamped in an interval of about an hour-and-a-half. The List Universe-The Gift That Keeps On Giving. Great job, jfrater. Thanks.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm
I’m agnostic.
What is wrong with asking believers in bible-god why he makes so many gays if he really hates them?
Think about it.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Bible dude: I have to say that the average listverse reader is rather intelligence. There have not been many reasons to think otherwise. If they lack said intelligence than these comments would resemble something of what you would find on ebaulmsworld. The wonderful people here are keen on learning new things and adding their own experience and knowledge. It is what makes this such a wonderful place to dwell. It is people like you (and I am sorry if I am sounding rude) that bring in a whole lot of banter and insults which instictly cause people to defend their opinions.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pm
jfrater: how about this book?
http://www.amazon.com/Bizarre-Bible-Stories-Walking-Happened/dp/0801045207
I haven’t read it, but it seems to be quite pertinent to the list
February 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pm
hey on 605 randall, i agreed it was a good diea to stop this pointless arguyment becuase its going nowhere and talk about aliens, i havn’t heard anyone say they don’t belive in aliens yet, so bring it on
the last time i added anything to the argument was just stating that in the anaolgy that the judge wouldn’t let his son pay for it, well wouldn’t matter nothing in the law says someone else can’t pay the ticket, i wasn’t using it as analogy, i could, but choose not to continue the argument by just saying it is technicly ok and stating real life reasons of how i know
so yes aliams, lets discuss, are the tall and grey, short and green, or plaid with 20 arms and no legs just to lots of cartwheels everywhere?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Ravyn,
Your attack made me sad.
Why are you so mean to me?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Bible Dude: wow – grow some balls dude – you have insulted every non-atheist on this list and they haven’t cried about it!
February 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Hey I have 600 emails… that’s what i get for commenting on a religion list.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pm
i love you jfrater, so where do you stand on the alien discussion?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:35 pm
JF: You are incorrect. He has not insulted me personally yet.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
TMo, i knew in advance not to let it notify me by e-mail on this list :p
February 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Bible Dude: You threw the insult at the list verse audience as a whole. I am meerly defending the patronage knowing that their intelligence is more than you give credit to. Like I said, I am sorry if I sound rude, but I don’t really appriciate you bashing my inteligence nor that of anyone else who frequents this site. These people are wonderful.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
And I still want my panda porn. Wait! Make it Alien panda porn! Yeah.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
TMo: hehe – it is worth it for such scintillating conversation surely?
Taos: I didn’t see the alien discussion – can you sum it up for me in 10 lines (I am cooking dinner and am popping back every few mins to check – I don’t have time to catch up on the comments at the moment).
Mystern: oh sorry – my mistake. Give it time
February 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Let me rectify that then!
Mystern’s mother dresses him funny.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
re 646:
That’s not really an insult. Quite true really.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Here’s my two cents: God doesn’t hate gays any more than he hates people who hate gays.
Thanks for not letting me work today.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:45 pm
jfrater: it stands so far that all involved do belive in aliens, that they abduct people, to steal our silk
and that the bible both supports other worlds and ufos (just a sum up not to add to debate)
and alien panda porn and alien zombies have both been introduced but not mentioned again until now
February 1st, 2008 at 1:46 pm
LOL @ Mystern!!!!
Best comment on this list… which I have been keeping up with.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
man, why does everybody have to be so angry? look at it this way. faith is so deeply personal and individualized that maybe we’re all right. it’s like tastebuds. can you tell me that you and i taste the same thing in the same way? there’s no way and will never be any way to tell. faith is the same way. you can have 5000 like minded people in the same chapel/mosque/synagogue/(fill in the blank) that all speak the same faith, believe the same thing and will fight to the death for it. but they all have a different relationship with their God no matter what you call him/her/it.
what happened to the basic message of treating people the way you want to be treated? does anyone who posted things on this list who wants to change another to line up with their beliefs want to be changed by someone else? no. not at all. so why can’t we all just relax and be happy that the sun is shining and we’re alive?
last time i checked, Jesus wasn’t an asshole about spreading his word. if you wanted to know, fine. if not no problem. unless you’re out of figs he’ll be your friend.
i know it is so cliche, but the golden rule really is the way to live. believe what you want and leave everyone else alone. if they ask you about your faith or want to hear about it, by all means tell them. tell them with all the love in your heart and hope they see the way your God shines through you. just don’t be the typical christian asshole about it and cram it down someone’s throat who doesn’t want to hear it.
even if you don’t believe in a god, that’s cool too. just follow the golden rule. it is not up to us to judge who’s right or wrong. for those that truly believe in a judgement day, that’s God’s job. let him do it and mind your own damn business.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Which one? The most recent one?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Wow, two lists that break the all-time comments record in about a week
February 1st, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Bible Dude: You threw the insult at the list verse audience as a whole.
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Not true at all, Ravyn.
By my account, I have insulted taos, dischusker, and our esteemed host (without knowing he was our host).
February 1st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Personally, I believe the Bible is a work of fiction, or at least most of it.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
No SocialButterfly, this is the best comment on the list:
February 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
i just saw the top of the list, “Published on January 31, 2008 – 666 Comments”
is that some kind of omen i wonder (when i am posting this, only 656 really)
February 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Wow. That was weird. I meant to quote this:
February 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Bibledude: this is a response to your comment asking why gods makes gays if he thinks its wrong to be gay, I too thought this, but then I realized, god makes everyone in his image right? well then god can either be gay and straight at the same time, or he is merely a idea that got exaggerated into a person who made earth. its why atheists make a lot of sense.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Whoever posts comment 666, is probably going to freak out.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
i wanna post it, just cuase it would be funny :p
February 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm
I find it amazing that a list that i left for 10 hours becomes World War 28 and makes like 660 comments in about a day.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Tell you what. Whoever posts comment 666 I’ll buy a copy of the Satanic Bible for you.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Taos: ANTICHRIST! RUN! just kidding
February 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Im on it!
February 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
the mark of the beast!!!!!!!!!
February 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
sure, i always need more books wooooooo
but i am not roman, i can’t be the anti-christ, i am gemran
February 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
lesbe friends
February 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
ha
February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Satanic Bible might be a good read, if you’re nucking futs
February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
and if you think I’m beating a dead horse with that book, I’d just like to say, read it before you criticize.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
W00t!
What do I win??
February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
dammit i missed
February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
darn missed by two
February 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Funny, a user with the name Bible Dude gets the 666 comment, funny
February 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Bible Dude: I’ll send you a copy of the Satanic Bible. Do you live in the US?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Taos, you feel my pain
February 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Comment #777 should get a…
February 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Bible Dude: You responded with
when mom424 had said
To me that is an insult thrown at all the list verse readers.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pm
a free horse to number 777 from someone not me
February 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Bible Dude, you win this.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Like all the comments from 666 to 671 were all submitted at the same time
February 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Actually. Better yet, here’s a place you can read it online.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I’ll the the Jesus action figure.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I wonder if the satanic bible has even crazier tales than in the original binle? A new list maybe?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Actually while religion is based on faith the Satanic Bible is based on rationality.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
petey mcgee: hear hear! You are so right! However, in defence of the “atheists” – many so called “Christians” do ram their beliefs down other’s throats – but – having said that, the atheists who hate it so much are doing the same thing now – they religiously believe (or pretend they believe because it is the “in” thing to do) that there is no God and their job is to save everyone from “God”. Frankly, the solution is for everyone to shut up and LIVE their beliefs – if they are truly beneficial for man, people will know it – if they are not, people will ignore it.
That is what we need to see here – people living their beliefs – not trying to convert others (from or to Christianity) by being more forceful or being able to name authors and quote people.
While I have appeared to be arguing in defence of the religious people on this list – I do abhor the fact that many fundamentalist Christians spend more time condemning than living what they believe. We even have a story in the examples above about that – if you don’t bear fruit (the fig tree) then you are cursed. Fundamentalists can condemn and hate as much as they want, but they don’t convert people – they cause hatred. Just as atheists try to convert fundamentalists to their way of thinking – no side will ever win – you simply can’t.
If the Christian think he is right – he should show he is right by living a holy life – and if the atheist is right – why not show that he can be a moralistic and compassionate person without religion? Surely living by example is the best way to convert people.
And then – having said all of that, why not just let people believe what they want or need to believe instead of trying to change their minds?
Bible Dude said in a comment above that he was giving payback for having American Christianity shoved down his throat – surely the better person would ignore that and live their lives as they feel they should? I don’t really understand how it is better to try to reverse the tables. Surely the better man smiles and nods and gets on with life.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Good, then there won’t be any non-sensible bullshit.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Hey Ravyn, if you’re so determined to feel insulted, go right ahead and be my guest.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
i checked that link, easier than buying the book, and it makes more sense rationally than the bible.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Jfrater- well said, old bean
February 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Ravyn: you are right – though Bible Dude hasn’t been on the site sufficiently long to get to know you all – we must grant him forgiveness through ignorance
February 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Soooooo . . . are we going for the 1000 mark or what?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
looks like it
February 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
very well put Jamie.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Csimmons: thanks for trusting me and checking it out. I’m off work now so I’ll see you all on monday.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
how do i stop recieveing the new comment notice????
February 1st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Well said jfrater. That is exactly what I was saying in my post #490, but some people just like to hear themselves talk…..or type =)
February 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
at the bottom it has a link to click to tell it to stop, and you can sleelct whcih lists to stop on the page after clicking the link
February 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Bible Dude said in a comment above that he was giving payback for having American Christianity shoved down his throat – surely the better person would ignore that and live their lives as they feel they should? I don’t really understand how it is better to try to reverse the tables. Surely the better man smiles and nods and gets on with life.
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But you promised to ignore me!
Back in 2004, after the biblethumpers put Dumbya in to the White House for another 4 years, I decided to stop being an ostrich about what was happening to my country and do the right thing by speaking up against these people.
I see them as being evil by virtue of both their ignorance and intolerance.
It’s time for every freedom loving American to stand up to these people and stop them from turning our country into a Xian version of Iran.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Jamie: I was showing forgiveness by trying to not be rude. I was just trying to explain to him that his thoughts were incorrect and explaining the truth to him.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:19 pm
what link i see no link
February 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pm
st ramble alot
February 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
wow that was werid, i said i just bought a taperecorder to hear myself speak, but i am just rambling on it
February 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
What is with classmates.com ads all over the net? Does that site still charge you to join? How can it exist with facebook and myspace so popular? These are the questions that haunt me at night.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Classmates is the non-pron version of adultfriendfinder, IOW, a total scam designed to solely to harvest your PI.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Sorry about crashing the site with 709.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pm
yeah i just got it to come back up, i was wondering how long it would take to crash becuase of this, but over 700 wow
February 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
My bad.
I’m going straight to hell for this.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I was wondering how long it would take.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Bible Dude: Argh: don’t get everyone started on GWB
I think what I was trying to say is that we should all enjoy the intelligence we all have on a variety of topics, and learn from each other. For example, you have mentioned many atheist writers that I had little knowledge of – now I do and will read some of their literature. You have shared your intelligence with me and ultimately by reading things I haven’t before, I will grow in my own knowledge. that is a good thing! But if we approach each other with anger and argumentativeness, we won’t convince anyone to read the “other side” so to speak. You are obviously a smart person – but a large number of commenters here are too. We can all learn from each other – but when we throw our argument in to someone’s face, they won’t be responsive. There is a well know apologetics comment (in Catholic circles) which is that you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar – we should ALL be trying to be honey – not vinegar!
And as for your comment about not replying to you – I haven’t bitch! This is my first comment in direct response to you
Now – religious debates aside – I am very keen to hear your comments on some of our other lists – I am almost 100% certain that you will make brilliant contributions to some of the discussions we have had before. Try http://listverse.com/lists – there are nearly 500 lists – we are all monitoring them all so your comments won’t be lost
February 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Okay – this list has gone crazy! Whoever gets comment 1,000 will win a brand new leather bound DR bible. No limits on country – I will ship to anywhere.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
For example, you have mentioned many atheist writers that I had little knowledge of – now I do and will read some of their literature.
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I quoted a few non-believers but the authors whose books I recommended are all Christians: Bishop John Shelby Spong and Dominic Crossan are both Christian bible scholars. Pastor jack Good is just that–a pastor.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
cool, always fun for more books wooo, since bibledude won the other one, i’ll stay up for this one, less than 300 to go
February 1st, 2008 at 3:10 pm
now no one cares to post
February 1st, 2008 at 3:10 pm
I will sit the next one out in order to give someone else a shot at winning.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:13 pm
well we got 280 so you can keep posting :p
i vote we return to aliens
February 1st, 2008 at 3:13 pm
This should be interesting.
People posting like mad because they can.
A contest get thrown into the mix.
Silence……
HA
February 1st, 2008 at 3:15 pm
so rav your stand on aliens?
February 1st, 2008 at 3:19 pm
i believe there are aliens. But I don’t believe in them as most people do. They are of their own world and do not interfere with ours. At least not purposely. I do not have a belief in their appearance other than it is to fit the atmosphere they inhibit and other functionality.
…
February 1st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
so no one yet on anti-aliens yet
February 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
I’m too lazy to read through all the comments. Someone catch me up.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Bible Dude: I have a very specific definition of a “Christian” – the people you suggested do not fall in to that category and their writings are very atheistic in my humble opinion
Now – get thee to some other lists!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Oh, also, I don’t believe in aliens.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
jamie, you have yet to get in on the aliens, come on i got you caught up at 649
February 1st, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Taos: what is it with you an aliens? You even started a thread in the forums just for aliens.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Jamie: I posted some links on the hot links section, they didn’t pop up, but just wanted to make sure I did it right…I guess they need approval or something!?
February 1st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Jfrater,
They all believe in Jesus without the magic. They call themselves Christians.
Isn’t Jesus’s message more important than the magic tricks he allegedly performed? My suspicion is that the magic was added long after his death to make him look more powerful than competing deities of the time.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
yeah, i did it here to make it more civil, it got bad when on religeon and the bible, so i want this to stay civil, and something so random and stupid works, and can make a descent conversation with higher regaurds to stay civil
and in the forums was cuase i figured if enough people participate we can do top 10 weird theories on aliens list
February 1st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Alien panda porn……..we are still on panda porn???? lmao
February 1st, 2008 at 3:28 pm
hey if its good enouigh for pandas its good enough for aliens
February 1st, 2008 at 3:33 pm
A great story that the list missed is that the first thing bible-god instructed Noah to do after the Ark finally touched land was to sacrifice a few animals!
LOL!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:35 pm
jftater; If I wasn’t married I would jump your bones. The voice of reason and piercing blue eyes.
Wow what a combo!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
hey my eyes are brown, yellow, and green
February 1st, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Toas: looking at 649 now!
Mom424: I feel privileged and am blushing
February 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Taos: okay – I don’t really understand what 649 is saying, but I will say that I don’t believe in aliens, or abductions by said aliens
February 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Mom: What is it with those deep ice blue eyes that drive a girl wild
February 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
so thats 2 for no aliens, and like 4 or 5 for aliens
February 1st, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Bible Dude: to be honest, I think that much of the “magic” supports the message. I am not sure that it is worth arguing over though – the message – of being good to everyone you meet – is a worthy one – if you want to accept it without the miracles fine – and if you want to accept it with the miracles – fine too! we don’t need to argue over it! I am pretty sure that virtually every person posting here just wants to do the right thing by their neighbour. The neighbour may not like the presentation, but should surely accept the good intent
February 1st, 2008 at 3:45 pm
hgaratie: when did you send them? I haven’t received them
February 1st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Taos: I want to see the aliens before I accept they exist!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
ok http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/taos/PIC_0297.jpg there you go
February 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
A certain persons comments have created many responses in this thread. I think thats great because now the thread is over 700 posts
Bible Dude well done haha
jfrater – I want post 1000 :-B
February 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
sarahj: good luck! If you don’t get it I will buy you one when I get my next one anyway
February 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Taos: what in heck was that?! I expected a photo of Michael Jackson!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
I dunno Ravyn; my first love/lust guy had ‘em too, and legs that go way up to here….too bad he was a hedonist…
jfrater;
you should feel privileged, your the first guy I’ve said that to since I met the hubby….
ps; I’m a milf, not some giantess with the belly flap…..
February 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
sarah you got to beat me for it now, i am in the running too
February 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm
THIS TIME I SHALL WIN THE CONTEST!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm
DON’T ANYONE GET IN MY WAY! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm
It took me a while to go through all the comments. Its never good to argue about religion I know I am an atheist and my wife is a born again christian. Religous discussions allways lead to arguments. I think people can believe whatever they want as long as you dont expect me to believe the same thing or try to force me to.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Taos: WTF WAS THAT?!?
February 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
he said he wanted a picture evidence of an alien, and well i called one alot, so i figured it would do
February 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pm
sagelegg: Yeah, I have friends that are atheists, jew, islam, etc. and they are all cool because they don’t force their religion (obvious on the atheist friend)
February 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pm
jfrater thankyou. This is all in the spirit of competition.
Taos your on!! and Csimmons you will be fighting Taos and I tooth and nail. In saying that I will be rushing back every ten minutes because I have things to do!!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pm
I believe there has to be some sort of life on other planets ther are to many out there for there not to be. As for intelegent life I thnk the best argument for intelegent life on other planets is that they have not tried to contact us.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pm
my vote for inteligent life on other plantes would mean there has to be one on any planet……….kidding, we got dolphins
February 1st, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Good God! csimmons is in on it! There is no hope for anyone wantng to get 1 comment off the winning number!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Mom: My first love/lust had them blue eyes too. He turned out to be…well… I can’t think of a proper word for it right now. I’ve been told that I am a milf too….but I still don’t believe a word of it.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm
lol Jamie….he still has yet to hit it dead on doesn’t he?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:07 pm
sargelegg- I’m so impressed that you managed to quote Calvin and Hobbes in a biblical debate…
February 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
is thia what normaly happens in list comments, from a heated debate over the content of the list, to panda porn, then concise, back to argument, then more panda porn, and ending with e-flirting?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Ravyn: hehe – not through lack of trying
Taos: apparently so
Panda porn is foremost in our readers minds this week!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Taos: This list just seems to be that special sort of mix to bring out the crazy in everyone.
The list has ADHD
February 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
i am mazed that people actualy respond to me the day after i join :p
February 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Jamie: I believe this list is the source of the panda porn obsession
February 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm
jfrater: yes, im willing to go 14 HOURS!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm
most liely it is, but who doesn’t love panda porn
come we all know bamboo turns us on
February 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Csimmons: You will be one off yet again and you KNOW it. MUY HAHA
j/k bud… good luck
February 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
csimmons, it won’t take 14 hour with 3 known people trying for it
February 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Ravyn: yeah, more than likely the origin, those crazy chinese, LOL!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Taos, totally, people are so lovely here, I was sure I’d have to sit at the back of the class pulling stupid faces for a couple of weeks…
February 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Ravyn: If im one off again, im gonna go nucking futs
February 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Wow, I wish I could say I was a milf. I’m just an ilf.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Great List, a fun read! One thing though – story No.6, you know, the 100 foreskins fiasco, it actually appears in the 1st book of Samuel and not Kings. So if you’re looking to read the un-annotated version – that’s where you’ll find it
February 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm
and who wouldn’t like panda porn :]
February 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Csimmons: I know pandas are chinese but when you said crazy chinese this was the first thing to come to mind (don’t worry safe for work but might not be safe for productive thought)
February 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pm
hinestly what i want to know is where they got panda porn from, and how did theyt get the female panda into a nurses outfit?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Anybody the foreskin story is creepy? show of hands? EVERYONE! uhhh… not that shocking.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Ravyn; maybe it’s the same guy. Hedonist covers his excesses very well. Whatever felt good he would do, drugs, booze, his cousin,,,yechhhhh
February 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Ravyn: THANK YOU! I LOVE THAT SONG!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
wooooo i did get 777 not 666 though
rav: what is that? its so odd
February 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Joss: hahaha – that is one of the funniest comments I have read all day!
Ravyn: I think you are right
So – on the panda porn. Someone has already sent me a top 10 list of the best panda porn titles. I will post it to the site – but it will take me some time to photoshop the video covers
Avi Gibly: please read some of the earlier comments – 1 Samuel is 1 Kings in Catholic Bibles (the most widely used in the world) – so it IS from 1 Kings – you just have a bible with some of the books removed and the wrong titles (protestant bible). This has been dealt with in the comments a number of times already!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
ps; and ravyn I am no longer a milf in the morning…thats why we have shades…lol
February 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm
jfrater: yeah, just a little photoshopping
February 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
is it weird to be 21 year old male and horrified by hearing about others sex lives?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
783 comments is quite a lot to wade through though…
Mom – nobody’s a milf in the morning.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
(:
This is a weird, weird comment board.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Csimmons: I love that song too…it is great and the video is so eerily entertaining.
Mom: I doubt it is the same guy as I had been with him his entire so called adult life.
Taos: What is what? you asking about that video. It is a great from the 80’s
February 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
if we have to talk about sex lives, lets go with panda sex lives, atleast then there is something for everyone
February 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
rav, sorry i am the best from the 80’s
February 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Only 212 comments to go.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Joss: This is a weird comment board. I think everyone just needed a moment to let out pent up weirdness and this was the perfect list for that.
Mom: I am not a milf in the morning either (though I don’t think I am a milf at all so that doesn’t count)
February 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Taos: that would make this the absolute weirdest comment board ever.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
taos; I never talked about my sex life, I have 5 boys age 16 to 21 living at my house. I don’t have a sex life……although some day…..
February 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Taos: I didn’t say the best from the 80’s. I said a great from the 80’s. But then I don’t think you would be the best from the 80’s either but that is my opinion.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm
mom424: Im almost sure if you talked about your sex life on here, and your kids saw it, it would scar them for life. LOL, i guess. LOL!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Mom: 5 BOYS!!!!! Gads….
February 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Ravyn; you don’t have to have big boobs and be blond and dopey looking with too much make-up to be a milf. And if someone told you that you are,,,you are…..
February 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Mom242: I have 2 brothers, and its hecktick around our house, but i can’t even imagine 5!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Mom: I shouldn’t say too much. I come from a large family. I didn’t bring as many into this world as some of the rest of my family did.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Im going to type this to be 800, ill be one off.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm
HOLY CRAP! I WAS RIGHT!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm
PANDA PORN please, i have to survive 200 more comments without dying, so please something we all agree on
if you arwe a milf all the best for you, but i got myself a beauty queen girlfreind
February 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
my four were born in 5 and 1/2 years and we have one whom I take pity on…lives with us, same age as the oldest,,,I am a big soft shit, I keep letting him come back,,,and the older ones don’t seem to be in a hurry to move out
February 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Csimmons: you are one off lol…sorry that is just the funniest thing ever and I am now choking with laughter since I am just getting over the flu.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Psychic.
Mmmm, Psych is a good show.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Taos: Yes i know her
…… just kidding man.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
new episode tonight, infiltraitng a cult
February 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Csimmons – aw bless…
February 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Ravyn: see… ITS A FRICKIN CURSE!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Jamie: I think you need to modify the contest a little. The winner is the 1000th post unless Csimmons is 1001. Then he wins. Gads the poor soul.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Famous Judy Quote (my real name)
“Boys wreck the house, girls wreck the nerves.”
February 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm
i am just saddened becuase she went back ot nicaragua till july for mission work with her family
February 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Ravyn: It will more than likely happen, jfrater, take mercy one more time.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Mom – completely true, I grew up in house full of girls, proper nightmare.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Let me adjust that a little more.
The winner is the 1000th post unless Csimmons is 1001. Then he wins unless Ravyn was the 1000th post. Then she wins.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Ill be back in 20 minutes, I gotta eat R-R-R-Rallys! LOL (for those of you who don’t live in the midwest united states, don’t mind this comment)
February 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Csimmons: Eat a nice Rallys burger for me oh and one of those shakes too. My stomache is not quite back yet to eat that myself. It’ll be soup for me tonight.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
i will go away now too, I want csimmons to win…
February 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Mom:if everyone goes away then we won’t be able to hit that mark.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm
mom242: kick those kids out
or go away for the weekend. Though, if you’re anything like me, you’d end up sleeping the whole weekend instead of getting busy with hubby.
The saddest part of this is, I’m only 20 years old. ha!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Rallys = Checkers = YUM
February 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm
i live in the midwest, and i still don’t understand
February 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Rallys and Checkers are the same company.
But neither will do when compaired with In N Out.
oh how I wish I could have another In N Out burger… mmmmmmmmmm
February 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
ok i know checkers, the store?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Oh, I do love In N Out as well.
Checkers for hot dogs and fries and SWEET TEA
In N Out for grilled cheese (with mustard and pickles, of course)
February 1st, 2008 at 4:51 pm
http://www.checkers.com/checkers_burgers.html
February 1st, 2008 at 4:51 pm
yeah the drive thru burger joint. Some places call it Checkers some places call it Rallys… it is the same company. Another on the same lines is Sonic
February 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pm
I want an In N Out Double Double with ketchup mmmmmmmmmmm no mustard no pickles
February 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pm
What happened to Bible Dude?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Bible Dude desided to stop as to give everyone else a chance at winning the 1000th post
February 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Wait, wait, wait, Sonic is the same company is Rallys and Checkers!?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm
is=as
February 1st, 2008 at 4:55 pm
he posted on any other lists yet?
and speaking of things missing, what ever happened to panda porn?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:55 pm
no Sonic is not the same company as Rallys/Checkers… they have the same ideal as far as shop set up though.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:57 pm
I don’t suppose Bible dude really wanted the prize…
February 1st, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Jamie: Why is it that anytime I get involved in a list comments, it will always get turned into a discussion about food?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pm
He last posted at 3:33pm on this list PST. No other lists.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:59 pm
new strang food
panda porn pops, everything you love about panda porn now frozen into a popsicle
February 1st, 2008 at 4:59 pm
this is so much more fun than bashing bible doooood anyway,,,
and GP it was better when they were younger,,,they slept then…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Ravyn: because you love food?
We really need to do more food lists! Yay! I made fish pie tonight – with carrots and asparagus.
Ember: What he wanted, I think, was to find people he could debate in order to try to strengthen his own feelings – I think he is struggling deeply because he is living some kind of lifestyle that his upbringing taught him was evil or wrong – and he is trying to get support for rejecting what he still believes inside himself. I think we should pity him for that.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Ravyn – There are definitely worse ways for a conversation to go.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Jamie: That sounds yummy. But like I said, my stomache is not quite ready to jump back into eatting. Damn the flu. I have been eatting chicken noodle soup for nearly a week now.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:07 pm
jfrater – yeah I read a lot of his comments and that came across, I had such a mild christian upbringing, you know, love is all that matters, that I guess I find it hard to understand people who can’t just let other people believe what they believe.
Do we really all have to agree or fight? is there no alternative?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm
jfrater; very good analysis, and on the fly! I can feel badly for him if that is in fact the case, but I still don’t think it excuses purposely inflaming people by making a mockery of their beliefs. Even the xian thing I found kind of offensive; not sure why, I’m not particularly religious, but I do have faith.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm
we agreed to disagree and started talking about food and panda porn
February 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Holy crap! it sounds like a list about food by the comments!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Ravyn: I hope you get over it quick – the flu is a bitch!
Ember: There is an alternative – let others believe what they want and live by your own beliefs without forcing them on others. This list has shown us that atheist or christian alike can try to force others to take their point of view – both are wrong – not for what they believe, but for thinking they NEED to force others to agree. If what you believe is true, others will see it by your actions, not your debating abilities.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm
sorry yes of course, back on less contentious subjects…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Yep its official, this is the weirdest comment board ever! it has Rallys/Checkers and Panda Porn!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Mom: It is like I tell people. All religions have it’s good people and it’s bad people. But it is the people who make the religion seem the way it is. No religion is right except the one you feel within your heart. And as long as you have faith in what you believe, and you let my faith in what I believe be, then there is nothing wrong in that.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Ravyn: I gadly thought of Listverse as i ate my big buford, and as i drank my chocolate shake with deliscious fries! OH IT WAS SO GOOD!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
jfrater; I am an awesome cook, partly from the grandma, partly from the mom, partly from the classically trained french chef who happens to be my brother-in-law and my boss. I will do up a food list one of these days and submit it to you…..
February 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Jamie: Thank you. I am finally getting over it today. The past few days have been horrible. But then the next few day will be too now that I have my energy back. The house is in dispair and I have alot of catching up to do.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Wait, it has Rallys, MILFs, Sex talk, religion talk, and most of all PANDA PORN talk! this site ROX!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I have some empathy for BibleDude. I was lucky to have been raised in an atheist family, so I have a much more lax approach to my atheism, as well as religion in general. However I know some people, who like BibleDude, were raised in strict religious families and only disovered atheism as means to escape late in thier life. This caused them to seriously resent their previous life, which they felt was a lie and cause them to act out against religion because they feel it has done them so much harm and wish to help others.
I hope this at least gives people some idea of the struggle many atheist converts feel. I do not think that he still believes in Christianty as you say, jfrater.
It is always necessary to apply rational inquiry to religion, as you would to all stratas of life and knowledge, and the acceptance of “faith” without logical discourse is the most dangerous idea existent in history, because once you can make people to believe the absurdities of their religion, you can make people believe anything, and once you make people believe anything, you can make them DO anything, and I hardly need to give examples of where this has happened or is happening.
Sorry to bring this topic back to seriousness. feel free to continue talking about aliens and pizza.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Csimmons;whats on a big buford?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm
mom can you make me dinner? i’m hungry
please, i am simple to cook for
February 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Csimmons: I hope you enjoyed that burger and that shake as much as you like being one off.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I need to sleep, and I really wanted to see who won…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm
yay someone brought it back to aliens
February 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm
jt; beautiful comment,,,now are you getting any?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
JT: interesting subject, aliens and pizza, sounds like a weird nightmare for some redneck in…Kentucky…CRAP! I LIVE IN KENTUCKY!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
*giggles at Mom’s comment*
February 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Mom424: it has of course a burger, lettuce, tomatos, onions, cheese, and basically everything thats on a normal burger.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Burgers are gross.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Ravyn: Hardy Har Har! LOL! (thanks for the demotivation, just kidding
February 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
mom: i guess i’ll take it as a now :’( everyone hates me, i don;t get any food :’(
February 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
JT: I don’t think he believes in it per se – I think he is struggling with the fact that he still feels the effect of the morals taught to him in youth which, despite rejecting the concept mentally, are still effecting him “spiritually”. I have no problem with anyone wishing to help others – but he has done nothing at all in this debate to help others – he has alienated them by being bitter and angry. If he had done what I suggested – show others by living your beliefs, he might have won more people to his perspective. Instead, he has alienated the people he is trying to “help” – this is presuming he has good intentions – which I, frankly, doubt.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Joss: Let me guess, vegitarian?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Burgers are awesome
Big Buford is the Rallys equivalent to the Big Mac with out the secret sauce.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Taos; I would love to cook for you, but time and distance make it impossible,,,so drool
we had honey-mustard chicken, boned and skinned and de-fatted thighs, with of course honey, mustard, butter, and the secret ingredient; west indian curry (chetty’s, its made in india, but west indians, at least my friends, prefer it)…rice and mixed veg….
February 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm
i could never be a vegitarian… not saying i have anything against them… I just could never do it
February 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Mom424: send in the lists! I love waking up in the morning to find a new list in my mailbox. As for food lists – I am trying to think of one that will allow me to incorporate Careme etc. – something like a history of cooking that has brought us to where we are now.
I would also like to second Ravyn’s comment about Mom’s comment – that is two in one week (the first being Freddy Mercury). Truly impressed am I.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm
yeah drolling, i’m probly just gonna have ramen for dinner, basin chiken flavored ramen
February 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Nope, not vegetarian. I just think burgers are gross. I honestly have no idea why. I think it’s a texture thing.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Ember: sleep is for the weak! Have a wine and settle back
February 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm
jfrater; cooking and talking – my specialties…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm
I don’t understand vegetarians – how can they hate plants so much that they want to murder them and deplete the earth of their goodness? Sick if you ask me!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
jamie: i drank all my wine :’(, and i hate driving in snow and we got 6 inches
February 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Ravyn:Me neither, I can’t live off vegetables for my whole life, id go fuckin’ nuts after a week(Id sure miss Rallys
jfrater:I read your comment at #14, you said you wondered how many people would go crazy, its more like who didn’t go crazy!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Taos; the first list I will do will will teach you to cook real food. I can do that in 10 or so easy steps…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Oh – and JT – what the heck are you doing up at this hour!?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:28 pm
jfrater: Yeah, How could they! LOL!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:28 pm
jfrater; the vegetarian with the gucci shoes and leather coat,,,I know some of those..
February 1st, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I would love to have some wine. Don’t have any on hand. Though I have Jager, 1800, and some Firewater. mmmmmmmmmmmm Firewater
February 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pm
i can cook, but i don’t cook for just myself, and my family is going out to eat and i don;t like driving in 6 inches of snow, so i’ll stay home and eat ramen
February 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Mom424: I sure would like a list like that, I can cook(Well actually microwave) but barely.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Speaking of vegitarians, I think I will have a bit of my beef jerky that I made and haven’t had the chance to enjoy yet.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Taos: so drink the whiskey – or whatever else is in the house!
Mom: those are my specialities too!
Csimmons: I knew some would – I didn’t expect this reaction! I expected to reach maybe 200 comments!
Mom: have you seem my list on food basics? It teaches perfect eggs, perfect steak, etc. It was one of the most fun lists I wrote!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:30 pm
I would drink wine if i was allowed too(only 17, SHIT! but i look 28….)
February 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I tried to be a vegetarian for one day. My mom made chicken that night – it was really good.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:32 pm
i do happen to have some jack, but its for cooking with :p
top 10 rescipes submitted by members, perferbly quick and easy?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Joss: lololol
February 1st, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Joss: I too have tried it, i was like a crack addict without crack!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:32 pm
he he, just came back from the fridge with glass in hand. Great minds think alike.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:32 pm
just a little over a hundred to a winner, yay
February 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Taos: Great idea!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Ravyn: enjoy an extra piece for me!
Cscimmons: who is stopping you?! I find it really weird that Americans won’t drink before 21 because of the law even though it is in the privacy of their own home when Europeans (and commonwealthers) allow their children to drink from very early – IE, pre-teens, with dinner. Is it puritanism or the prohibition attitude that is still hanging around?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Taos: I like it!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Okay, gotta stay awake, I need hard liquor with coffee, i try to pass out but can’t.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:34 pm
jfrater: I could ask you the very same question! I actually am just not tired…it’s Friday so I I don’t have to get up for school or anything…valuable listverse browsing time. Frankly, I’m surprised this list has caused so much controversy and responses.
And I do think that BibleDude was being sincere, just in a kind of off putting way. I actually agree with him on many points, but the way he goes about it is not exactly going to help influence others.
BTW, jfrater have you read The God Delusion? Just curious.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Taos: 10 quick easy and cheap resipies HERE
February 1st, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Joss: hjahahahah
hmm – I am between a rock and a hard place! I have more wine in the kitchen but I am feeling rather tiddly (read: pissed) – should I have more or should I go to bed?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Yes, I saw it, I’ve read pretty much all the lists; only skipped over the draft picks…it was wonderful,,,even the cheating ramen stir fry…
People nowadays spend too much money on prepared food instead of on things to make food preparation easier…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:35 pm
/is 17 and a big fan of a small glass of red wine with dinner. It’s good for you!
But, it’s obvious that I don’t cling to the norm – I’m also married, so, whatever…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Oooh, recipes now I like… I make the best steak and balsamic vinegar.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm
jfrater: I admit, i do drink occasionally, though sparingly, i don’t want to get drunk before im allowed too, something crazy might happenn and scar me for life(A.K.A. selling my kidney) and i might just try to attend college in Europe, reccomend any?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Actually maybe that will be the first tip on my list….shop like yer grandma did….
February 1st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Jamie: Most of that is due to the American Police force believing they are gods and no one should get in their way. If they think you are doing something wrong, they will find something to blame you for just to make sure they can book you.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
BTW: this is the prize for the 1,000th comment:
http://www.angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/6736/bible-douay-rheims
February 1st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Jamie, if I’m staying up, you’re staying up…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:38 pm
ooh see I get bossy with alcohol in me.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:39 pm
speaking of prepared foods and wine, i am brewing a batch of beer right now. soooooo much better than anything from the store and fun to do as well.
you think jesus drank beer? i know he drank wine. which is funny when the fundamentals want to damn you to hell for drinking.
i bet he liked beer.
“beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy”
-B. Franklin
February 1st, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Csimmons- it depends what you want to study.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Maybe I don’t want csimmons to win…I would love the bible.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:39 pm
rav my idea is user submitted, more that they have done or do on a regual basis, and just anything quick and easy, not just meals but even like a good quick cookie rcsipe or something, and like full recidpe with exact measurements and such
February 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Jamie:ohh that is neat lookin. I would love a copy of that just for easy reading (if you can call it that)
February 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Ohhh, I make the best chocolate chip cookies in the world.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Csimmons: no – I am from New Zealand – I know only the college I went to in Europe which is for musicians (Royal College of Music, London) – enjoy life though – getting drunk doesn’t ruin your life. I don’t know any person from home that wasn’t drunk from their early-mid teens at parties – it is just part of life and we all deal with it!
Mom424: totally agree- though most won’t know how their grandma shopped
Ravyn: wow – that really sounds awful!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Ember: I plan to get a degree in literature and a masters in criminal science or forrensics.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Taos; I don’t use cookbooks except for baking. I read cookbooks for new ideas and techniques….
February 1st, 2008 at 5:41 pm
How about LOL drunken panda porn-”i can eats shoots ‘hic’”
February 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pm
jfrater; I will teach them…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pm
i persoanly find nothing wrong with drinking, the bible only says getting drunk ios wrong becuase it leads to worse descions and such
i love wine, but finished up my last glass last week
February 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pm
jfrater:Thanks for the advice, Im just scared shitless thanks to the media.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Taos: That is a list of recipies that I submited and I make on a regular basis. The reason some of it doesn’t have exact measurments is because I don’t know exactly how much I put in. I do it by taste and sight.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pm
and reading the comments since i posted, it is LEGAL (at least in Ohio) for parents to give their underage children alcohol. 100% legal. but it has to be the parent and not any adult. in a restaurant or bar (if you could convince them) they have to set the alcoholic beverage in front of the adult and then they are free to do what they wish with it.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Jamie, when were you at the RCM?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:43 pm
haha the listverse cookbook
i don;t use recipes much either, i cook by taste but still atleast have a basic set up for what i use and how much
February 1st, 2008 at 5:44 pm
You guys are all drinking, I’m not good at that so I’m gonna go get me a funny fag…..
February 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Taos:I don’t personally find drinking wrong either, its just the stories of teens dying due to alcohol.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Jamie: We have had a problem with the local police here. Something that I have experience but not directly. It is mostly police on the local levels (since I have been coast to coast). The state troopers are actually rather nice. (Something else I have experienced personally and directly).
February 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Csimmons, don’t believe everything you hear, never did me any harm. I think St Andrews is good for forensics, it’s an incredibly beautiful place too, or maybe Imperial college in London?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Ember: I started in 2006 I think – I was studying opera with Margaret Kingsley.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Ember:thanks ill look them up.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:47 pm
the first recipe
Panda Porn Pops
2 Midsize to Large pands, one male and one female
500 cups of water
8 foot bamboo stick
take the pands, place in bowl with around bamboo (tie together if needed), pour in water, and freeze for 5 hours
now enjoy the sweet flavour of frozen panda porn
February 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pm
jfrater: scratch what i said last week about the geek movie list being contriversial, THIS SHIT IS THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL LIST EVER!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pm
wow. wwjd about panda porn pops
February 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Taos…lol
February 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Cool we might know people, I went to the RSAMD but stayed up here for postgrad but I know a few people who went to the RCM… How exciting.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Taos; LOL! the funniest comment i have ever read!!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Mom424: I am smoking – but not funny fags – just the regular sort
Taos: that is a great idea actually – a Listverse Cookbook. I will think about that one.
Csimmons: teens dying due to alcohol? Did someone pour it on them and set it alight? I have NEVER heard or seen of such a tale!
Ravyn: are the state ones the ones that let you keep your road kill? That really impressed me no end!
ember: one of my great friends went to St Andrew’s – he was there at the same time as Prince William.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Petey: You better be careful. I too live in Ohio and my mom almost got arrested for giving my brother (16 at the time) a drink. Her boyfriend sat back down at the table and grabbed the drink like nothing happened. The police asked if it was his and responded “I am drinking from it aren’t I?”
It is supposed to be legal for the parents to give their child limited alcohol within the confines of the personal property. That does not apply for resturants or bars anymore.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:50 pm
petey, He would eats them , but would share with everyone, the feeding of 5000000 of panda porn pops
February 1st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Ember:i looked the colleges up, they are both great, but i don’t wanna be too far away from home, so i guess i might go to Yale or Brown or Harvard.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Jamie: it all depends on where you hit your road kill. In city limits the local police and they have to ask if you want it. If it is in the inbetween areas the the state and they too will ask.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Ember: that is cool – it is nice to know how small the world can be!
petey mcgee: a truly apt comment for this list
Csimmons: you are right indeed! This IS the most controversial – look how close we are to 1k comments!! I am going to have to buy someone a bible soon!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:52 pm
I have alcoholics in my family, so liquor and booze kinda scare me…not that I didn’t do tons of it in my early/late teens and twenties…now i like wine once in a while and i have a soft spot for salty rim margaritas……but the funny fags, its like my glass of wine/valium all rolled into one. In case you didn’t notice I am a little high strung…relaxation is something else I am not good at…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:53 pm
jfrater: they say since teens aren’t developed enough, they can overdose easily, kinda like with illegal and legal drugs.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:53 pm
yes, it shall be me
i am hungry yes, but will not cook for 50 more coments
February 1st, 2008 at 5:54 pm
If I win the Bible, I am going to give it to my son and tell him that since he refuses to read his Goosebump books now, that he will read that.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:54 pm
i don’t think you guys read my last message. i left at 1:50cst asking that i don’t have to catch up with 100 comments. instead, there were almost 400 in about 5 hours. this is rediculous.
i assume all the world’s problems were solved, right?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:54 pm
I am so ready to leave work. Ugh.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Mom424: I personally don’t know any alcoholics, but my grandma at the age of 77, can knock em’ back.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:55 pm
ravyn, i was a law enforcement officer until a year and a half ago, and as of then it was still ok. not that it would stop a police officer (most who are ignorant about the law) from citing you. you would be cleared in court. small victory, i know
February 1st, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Ravyn:thats a cruel and unusual punishment, and i love goosebumps.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:56 pm
well disc you don’t have to catch up on 100 at all, jsut skip down and search for panda porn pops
February 1st, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Joss: i feel sorry for you.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:57 pm
My mom, my uncle charlie, my uncle john (killed himself before he was 40, my favorite uncle too), my auntie anne has alcohol related dementia, my brother abuses everything…..etc…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
C: Thanks.
How many comments does the geek movies list have?
February 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
indeed disc, this the best comment board ever, it should be a novel. LOL
February 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Mom424: same here – I just decided: “if you can’t beat ‘em – beat ‘em”! So now I am the best alchy in the family
Csimmons: you can’t overdose on alcohol – the worst you can get is alcohol poisoning which leads to a lot of vomiting and a bad hangover
Ravyn: hahaha – I could add you to my “Top 10 evil mothers in movies” – erm – except you aren’t in a movie. Never mind.
DiscHuker: we read and ignored
We have solved the biggest problems – ie, the mentality of Bible Dude
Joss: better have a computer at home!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Joss: about almost 600
February 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Although, if we don’t hurry it up, I’m going to have to leave before 1k…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Csimmons: I love Goosebumps too. My son is in 3rd grade and is Aspergers/ADHD. He is being real rebelious about reading right now and I am doing what ever I can to help him. I was joking about throughing the bible at him to read but he needs something.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:59 pm
I have a computer at home, but no internet access. Crazy, I know. So hurry!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:59 pm
jfrater:tell that to the american press.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:59 pm
geek movie was around 550
it would be a random novel
lets argue religeon, then cook, then watch panda porn
February 1st, 2008 at 6:00 pm
alcoholism is a bitch. it runs in my family and i fight it all the time. i find it hard to drink and just have 2. 2 turns to 12 and it just rolls from there, but i’m fighting it. and i know that i will lose my dad waaaaaaaaaaay too soon b/c of all the drinking.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Ravyn:I never heard of a rebelious 3rd grader.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Geek Movies list has 557 comments – childsplay compared to this one! And that one had a competition attached – this one didn’t until I got drunk!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:01 pm
i want to eat before Monk everyone, so come one
we can do 25 in an hour
February 1st, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Wow, we’re making listverse history here, then.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Yey Monk!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:02 pm
petey mcgee: I wouldn’t say alcoholism is a disease or something that is passed along, more like a choice.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:02 pm
petey mcgee: I have the very same problem – I can’t stop after 1 – it becomes 1 bottle, then 2, then 3 then I am in the gutter puking!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:02 pm
petey, i know whats its like to lose a dad too early, and mine wasn’t alchohol related, i was 13 at the time, so a little over 8 years ago, and any cuase is hard, espicialy when its thier own fault (my dad was heart attack due to clogged arteries
February 1st, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Okay, everyone, have mercy, don’t comment at 995, PLEASE!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Blerg
February 1st, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Csimmons: you already won a prize on the other list! Don’t be greedy!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Csimmons: You have not met my son yet.
Jamie: I keep telling everyone that I am evil mother. (though I am not) I really am.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Blarg
February 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
jfrater, ive never gotten that drunk, hope i atleast puke in my house where nobody can see me.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Almost…
February 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
as long as we figured out bibledude, it was worth it.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
man, if it was a choice then why did my grandparents drink so much, and why are my dad’s 4 brothers super heavy drinkers? there’s no way to explain that unscratchable itch that makes me want to not stop drinking.
i think that saying alcoholism is a choice is like saying gay is a choice.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
okay – fuck it – I am getting another wine! You all better not just desert after comment 1,000 or I will be pissed and won’t publish another list for a month!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
there…
February 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I’m leaving immediately after 1k, so you can just suck it, JF
February 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Ravyn; I have a kid with adhd/depression/and anxiety problems, regular whack-job this poor kid is. Find out what he is interested in and then read it to him, make it older than is reccomended,,,(i know most aspergers have high iq’s), soon he will become impatient with you and want to learn how to read better….it worked with mine….
February 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
wow i am nearly at 100 coments personaly, and most are on this list, the others are on like 2 other lists
woooo
February 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Oh Jamie that would be extremely evil….
February 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
EVERYBODY COMMENT PAST 1K!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Properly got booted. No fun.
A friend of mine went to St Andrews around that time too, I was all the way over here in Glagsow but I’ve been over there to do a recital in the Younger hall and it was Gorgeous.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
oh, and i really want that bible as my wife and i don’t really have the word of god in the house. i know that my mother’s family bible is a deeply treasured possesion
February 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Here we go baby
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
BLERGO
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Yeah what Csimmons said…. don’t let the posting die
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
this is absolutely out of control.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
fdsfds
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
we are quite random, i feel at home
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH omg
That is out of control, C.
BYE EVERYONE
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
i guess God loves me more than you guys.lol
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Reluctant to write anything in case I steal someone’s prize.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
you made it, darn
go C
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
please
February 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Csimmon we were both one off….
February 1st, 2008 at 6:07 pm
SON OF A BITCH! 1001! shit
February 1st, 2008 at 6:07 pm
1001, that was called how many hours ago?
February 1st, 2008 at 6:08 pm
ITS A MOTHERFUCKING CURSE! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:08 pm
That’s hilarious.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:08 pm
the tendency to alcoholism is inherited; the choice is wether you drink at all….
February 1st, 2008 at 6:08 pm
i wonder how many will continue to post now that Disc won though?
February 1st, 2008 at 6:08 pm
I forgot who predicted me getting 1001, but you’re a fucking phsycic
February 1st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
HAHAHAHAHA – I feel for you Csimmons! I truly do! Maybe God is telling you not to try so hard?
February 1st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
NOBODY SAY A WORD!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
oh my good lord…i wanted you to win csimmons…rofl
February 1st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
darn. oh well back to the brew.
in all sincerity
peace to all and i hope that we all learned something from this list, and become a little more tolerant of all other views. much as i challenged others to try a new food, i challenge all of you to attend a service at a place of worship that you have never been. see what others have to say and maybe you’ll be better for it.
petey
February 1st, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Mom424: I made the choice – I love it!
I think Disc won one of the prizes on the geek list too didn’t he?
February 1st, 2008 at 6:10 pm
jfrater: Its that or a witch cursed me(or that gypsy last week, I can’t remember)
February 1st, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Yes disk won like 2nd or 3rd (I would know)
February 1st, 2008 at 6:11 pm
atleast i can eat now
and borke 100 comments
February 1st, 2008 at 6:11 pm
comment 1018: hahahahahah priceless!
petey: nicely put – I love the sentiment – if only people were more tolerant and able to do so!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Csimmons: we all predicted that.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Csimmons: hehe you gotta keep away from the gypsies
DiscHuker: email me (jamie @ frater.com) with your postal details. This is your prize:
http://www.angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/6736/bible-douay-rheims
February 1st, 2008 at 6:13 pm
jfrater: we could do that, we just don’t choose too, or we can’t, same thing
February 1st, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Csimmons- come now, bitter isn’t pretty.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:14 pm
We really need to get an IRC server (or at the very least a channel on EFnet)
February 1st, 2008 at 6:14 pm
i don’t you all anyways, you bunch of phsycics
February 1st, 2008 at 6:15 pm
what does funniest commebnt get?
February 1st, 2008 at 6:16 pm
i meant i don’t need you all, but just kidding, ive had more fun on this site than anyother, and yes, bitter isn’t pretty
February 1st, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Maybe I could consider a prize for 1,500th comment
Or – to help Csimmons out, 1,5001th comment
February 1st, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Taos: kudos?
February 1st, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Well yall, its been nice, but i gotta go party, 8:00 o’clock and its Friday night! Im gonna go play D&D!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
But then he’d just be 1,502…
February 1st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
oh and jfrater, before i leave, i will personally kick your ass…… at wii tennis! LOL! See Ya!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Csimmons; but sometimes it can be damn entertaining…
February 1st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
ooh it’s weird all the different timezones…
February 1st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Ember: hahahahaha sad but true
Csimmons: have a great night! See you on the lists tomorrow!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:19 pm
if it was 15001 he would get 15002
and kudos are good
i perfer C&C to D&D but both are good
wah tyou need to try is making halo stuff out of lego, making the battle gorund, and role-play halo with legoes (have to roll for damage and such)
February 1st, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Ember: yeah – I hate it
CSimmons: you may whip my ass at Wii tennis, but give me a bit more practice and I will whip you at guitar hero – cliffs of Dover (I hope my sister isn’t reading this – she is the cliffs of dover hero next to my nephew James!)
February 1st, 2008 at 6:21 pm
well this was fun wasn’t it. jayfray, use the same info i gave you for the geek movie list.
you should test out the theory about csimmons being one off. say that 1501 wins and see if he hits 1500. how funny would that be?
February 1st, 2008 at 6:21 pm
BTW: we are 470 comments away from the 30,000th comment on the site in ONLY SEVEN MONTHS!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:22 pm
DiscHuker: hahah it would be side-splitting bloody hilarious – for everyone except him! And yes – I will use the info from the Geek list. You are in for quite the deliveries this month!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:22 pm
jfrater; everyone needs a mom like mine – excommunicated catholic – she took me to every church, and frankly I found comfort in almost every one of them….The rituals and timelessness and I dunno, where better to talk to god?
February 1st, 2008 at 6:23 pm
maybe a proze for whoever gets that comment?
February 1st, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Jamie: I suggested in post 811
February 1st, 2008 at 6:24 pm
jfrater: i can get 95% on expert at through the fire and flames, bring it on!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:24 pm
The only game I really liked was Lode Runner. I bet no one remembers that one!
http://www.webomatica.com/images/blog/2e/lode_runner_lg.gif