Are you sick of being told what to eat, drink, and do? Then this is your lucky day! Here are ten things that people tell you are bad but actually have healthy aspects to them. In future when someone whines at you – you can point them in the direction of this list and have the last laugh! So onwards, the ten things that are healthier thank you think.

Ice-cream is a low GI (glycemic-index) food. This means that it is a slow sugar release food that keeps you satisfied for a longer period of time than a high GI food. For that reason, you are less likely to binge after eating ice-cream. 75 grams of Ben and Jerry’s Cookies and Cream ice-cream contains only 114 calories compared to a slice of cheesecake with 511 calories. Furthermore, ice-cream is made of milk which contains many essential nutrients and vitamins. 1 cup of milk contains up to 30% of a man’s daily recommended intake. Other nutrients in ice-cream are biotin, iodine, potassium, selenium, vitamins a, b12, D, and K. Studies show a possible link between milk consumption and a lowered risk of arterial hypertension, coronary heart disease, colorectal cancer.
Interesting Fact: In the 5th century BC, the ancient Greeks sold snow cones made with fruit and honey in the markets of Athens.

Throw away the rubber globes! Dirt is back in vogue! Remember the days where kids played in dirt, food was served with bare hands, and straws didn’t come in individual wrappers? It turns out – they were healthier days than our modern sterile ones! Early childhood exposure to bacteria, viruses, and parasites has been found to give a massive boost to our immune systems, making us less likely to get sick when we do come in to contact with various bugs. Research has found that children with a dog in the home are less likely to suffer allergies, and regular social interaction can reduce the risk of leukemia by up to 30%. Those are statistics not to ignore – so throw away the anti-bacterial cleaners and get dirty!
Interesting Fact: There are as many as 10 times more bacterial cells in the human body than human cells! The vast majority of these are harmless.

Stress is universally considered a bad thing – in some cases people have successfully won lawsuits against companies for work-related stress. But, what most people don’t know is that a little stress goes a long way to making us healthier. In short doses, stress can help boost the body’s immune system. In the first stage of stress (the “alarm” stage – often known as the “fight or flight” response) the body produces cortisol – a stress fighting hormone which has many benefits to the body. Stress can give a feeling of fulfillment – when this is the case it is called “eustress” as opposed to “distress”.
Interesting Fact: The term “stress” and the mental properties of it was not known before the 1950s. Until that time it referred simply to hardship or coercion.

Not only is coffee tasty, it is a mild stimulant with many medical uses. Caffeine contains a muscle relaxant that is very beneficial to people with bronchial problems – it can alleviate the symptoms of asthma. Additionally, caffeine releases certain fatty acids in to the blood stream that become a useful source of fuel for muscles. It even seems that the only serious side-effect to too much caffeine is a small amount of body-weight loss – a danger if you are anorexic. Caffeine should be avoided by people with fecal incontinence as it loosens the anal and sphincter muscles.
Interesting Fact: Caffeine can be toxic to animals, in particular dogs, horses, and parrots. It also has a much more significant effect on spiders than humans.

Red wine contains a group of chemicals called polyphenols (once called Vitamin P) which have been found to be very beneficial for health. They reduce the risk of heart disease and cancer. Wine has also been found to be an effective anti-bacterial agent against strains of Streptococcus (found most often in the human mouth) which can help reduce infections. Some wine varieties have extra health benefits; Cabernet Sauvignon appears to reduce the risk of Alzheimer’s Disease. In addition to the benefits already listed, wine is chock full of antioxidants which play a huge role in the health of the human body. The wines found to have the greatest benefits are found in the South of France and the Sardinia region of Italy.
Interesting Fact: Wine originated in the regions of Israel, Georgia, and Iran, around 6000 BC.

As a result of recent research into chocolate and health, it appears to be something of a panacea (cure-all) – coupled with the great taste and mood enhancing properties, it might be seen as a wonder drug! Cocoa or dark chocolate improves the overall health of the circulatory system, it stimulates the brain, prevents coughs, prevents diarrhea, and may even be an anti-cancer agent. Like coffee, chocolate is toxic to many animals. A BBC study indicates that melting chocolate in your mouth increases brain activity and the heart rate more intensely than passionate kissing, with the effect lasting four times longer after the activity ends. Eating regular small quantities of chocolate reduces cholesterol and the chances of a heart attack. Sign me up for some of that medication!
Interesting Fact: Chocolate has been used as a drink since at least 1100 – 1400 BC.

Cannabis is said to be beneficial for over 250 conditions. For this reason it is legal on prescription in a number of Western countries. Cannabis is believed to help with arthritis, asthma, depression, glaucoma, and pain. It is also reported to be a good treatment for constipation. Cannabis is also useful in dealing with the sideeffects of treatments for cancer, AIDS, and hepatitis. Cannabis has been used medicinally for over 3,000 years! Strangely, the cultivation and use of cannabis is outlawed in most countries.
Interesting Fact: Evidence of the use of cannabis as a non-medicinal drug exists as charred seeds found in Romania dating back to the 3rd millenium BC.

The moderate consumption of beer has been associated with the lowered risk of head disease, stroke, and mental decline. In addition, brewers yeast (used in the production of beer) contains many nutrients that are carried through to the final drink: magnesium, selenium, potassium, phosphorus, biotin, and B vitamins. For this reason, beer is sometimes referred to as “liquid bread”. In 2005 a Japanese study found that low-alcohol beer may contain strong anti-cancer properties. Contrary to popular belief, a “beer belly” or “beer gut” is not produced by the beer, but rather overeating and lack of exercise.
Interesting Fact: Beer is one of the oldest beverages – dating back to the 6th millennium BC.

Often referred to as “Smoker’s Paradoxes”, there are a number of therapeutic uses of nicotine or smoking. For example, smokers are less likely to need surgery to provide extra blood to their heart after an angioplasty, the risk of ulcerative colitis is reduced, and it even interferes with the development of Kaposi’s sarcoma (a type of cancer of the lymphatic endothelium). Perhaps most surprisingly, is that there are connections to smoking and a reduction in allergic asthma. There is also a large body of evidence to suggest that smokers have a dramatically reduced risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease and Parkinson’s Disease. Nicotine is currently being investigated as a treatment for ADHD, and Schizophrenia.
Interesting Fact: Tobacco smoking has been a practice of humans since at least 5000 BC.

Amidst the loud angry cries against pornography, a few serious scientific studies have been performed on the subject. It seems that men and women who view pornography, have improved sex lives, better sexual knowledge, and an overall better quality of life. Surprisingly, one study found that the more that pornography is viewed, the greater the improvements. In an extensive study performed in Australia, the majority of married respondents stated that they believed that pornography has had a positive effect on their marriage. While clearly not always linked to pornography, studies have found that men who had fewer orgasms were twice as likely to die of any cause as those having two or more orgasms a week.
Interesting Fact: Pornography (and the anti-pornography movement) as it is understood today is a concept of the Victorian era (19th century) which was extremely moralistic. Sexual imagery was not taboo before that time.
Sources:
1. Alzheimer’s disease is associated with non-smoking by Carol Thompson
2. Impact of Smoking on Clinical and Angiographic Restenosis After Percutaneous Coronary by Cohen, David J.; Michel Doucet, Donald E. Cutlip, Kalon K.L. Ho, Jeffrey J. Popma, Richard E. Kuntz
3. Smoking Cuts Risk of Cancer by United Press International
4. Caffeine: Perspectives from Recent Research by P.B. Dews
5. Using spider-web patterns to determine toxicity by R. Noever, J. Cronise, and R. A. Relwani
6. From psychological stress to the emotions: a history of changing outlooks by R. S. Lazarus
7. Effects of moderate alcohol consumption on cognitive function in women. by Stampfer MJ, Kang JH, Chen J, Cherry R, Grodstein F.
8. Beer as liquid bread: Overlapping science by Bamforth, C. W
9. A dynamic partnership: celebrating our gut flora by C. L. Sears
10. Dairy’s Role in Managing Blood Pressure by the National Dairy Council
11. Ice Cream – What’s in a Scoop? by Pat Kendall
12. The Lost Civilizations of the Stone Age by Richard Rudgely
13. Medical Use of Cannabis in California by Dale Gieringer
14. Dark Chocolate Could Help Hearts by Emma Ross
15. Chocolate can do good things for your heart, skin and brain by Marjorie Ingall
16. Chocolate better than kissing by BBC News
17. Polyphenols and disease risk in epidemiologic studies by Arts, I.C. and P.C. Hollman
18. Antibacterial Activity of Red and White Wine against Oral Streptococci by Daglia, M.; A. Papetti, P. Grisoli, C. Aceti, C. Dacarro, and G. Gazzani
19. Cabernet Sauvignon Red Wine Reduces The Risk Of Alzheimer’s Disease by ScienceDaily
20. From red wine to polyphenols and back: A journey through the history of the French Paradox by D. W. de Lange
21. Now that’s what you call a real vintage: professor unearths 8,000-year-old wine by David Keys
22. Vice or Virtue? The Pros of Pornography by Matthew Hutson
23. Study concludes porn can be good for you by Nick Grimm
24. Sex and Death, Are They Related? by the British Medical Journal














September 24th, 2008 at 2:38 am
well great list
but
all in moderation except the wine ; )
September 24th, 2008 at 2:50 am
tight list, g. good to see beer on there; nice guns.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:54 am
great list. ill have to eat more chocolate.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:57 am
Beer, wine, cigarettes, cannabis, caffeine, porn. This is my favorite list.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:01 am
Hey cool list, I think in cases like smoking, the cons outweigh the pros but…
The title of this list makes me think of the song from Evita
September 24th, 2008 at 3:03 am
I am definitely bookmarking this page! Next time someone tries to say ice cream, smoking, or chocolate is bad i can just show them this page. Also, my friend and I were in an argument whether or not cannabis is good for you or not. I said it was. HA! I win this round.
. This is what happens whenever i pot messages on pages at 3:00 AM lol
Me- 1 World-89
Wow that was random
September 24th, 2008 at 3:06 am
Dude, seriously!
September 24th, 2008 at 3:12 am
LOL I absolutely love this list.
I always knew that pot was good for you and that more people should smoke it.
So light up everybody.
I know Mom424 will agree with me on that one!!
September 24th, 2008 at 3:13 am
Yeah not bad, but the overall negative effects of smoking outweigh the positive ones by a long shot. You wouldn’t tell anyone to pick up the habit would you? That piece of advice then, would be a bit suicidal.
And nice pic for #1. That’s one big hand grabbing that redhead.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:14 am
Pornography deserves to be here, I agree. You’ll need it when homo sapiens get endangered. Anyway, porn has also been used for pandas to multiply. You changed my life again. I don’t hate porn anymore.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:15 am
Jfrater admit it… you made this list up so you can justify your addictions
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September 24th, 2008 at 3:21 am
my girlfriend.. needs.. to see.. this..!
September 24th, 2008 at 3:22 am
Porn and beer, a great healthy combination
September 24th, 2008 at 3:26 am
Nicola: I would never do such a thing!
September 24th, 2008 at 3:27 am
yay! i don’t feel bad about smoking and drinking beer all the time now! thanks!
(jk)
September 24th, 2008 at 3:27 am
Long time reader, first time commenter: I really liked this list, especially since it shows how even the most demonized things may have good properties. But I can’t get over the fact that Kaposi’s Sarcoma is *not* a breast cancer. Kaposi’s Sarcoma is a skin cancer (however, like all aggressive tumors it may spread anywhere, but mainly on the skin and mucosae), and it is caused by a virus of the Herpes family. Check this link for further information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaposi’s_Sarcoma . Just my two cents.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:28 am
Great list!
I knew about all of these except nr 10 and 8. I especialy like nr 4 (btw, i’m from Romania
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September 24th, 2008 at 3:33 am
wasn’t it dr cox from scrubs who said that if we got rid of all porn sites, there’d only be one intenet site and it would be called “Bring Back Porn”. I think he has a point!
September 24th, 2008 at 3:39 am
jfrater – excellent list!
As an aside, the way you have detailed your citations at the end of the list is excellent! Maybe this should be a requirement for all who submit lists for consideration…
September 24th, 2008 at 3:45 am
kiwiboi: thanks – I thought that considering the controversial nature of some entries on this list that it would be best to include some sources
September 24th, 2008 at 3:48 am
Kaposi’s Carsoma is not a type of a beast cancer. “Despite its name, it is generally not considered a true sarcoma, which is a tumor arising from mesenchymal tissue. KS actually arises as a cancer of lymphatic endothelium and forms vascular channels that fill with blood cells, giving the tumor its characteristic bruise-like appearance.” It are lesions, “nodules or blotches that may be red, purple, brown, or black, and are usually papular (i.e. palpable or raised)”. Aids sufferers tend to get them.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaposi%27s_sarcoma
Otherwise a very interesting list – I indulge in all of them!
September 24th, 2008 at 3:50 am
Did you road-test this list?
September 24th, 2008 at 3:55 am
Yet you forget to mention all the bad side effects off many things on this list…you make it look like all these things are are something you SHOULD do when in reality the bad far outweighs the good…
September 24th, 2008 at 4:08 am
Cannabis does not help depression – it is the gateway to depression.
September 24th, 2008 at 4:41 am
Somehow I know that pornography is good for me. Yes, I agree with that one!
There’s no doubt for ice cram, caffeine and chocolate. Beer too? Oh gee, thank.
Stress is good for me? Neeh…
September 24th, 2008 at 4:46 am
WHOOOO HOOOOOOOO 420 TIME BABY!!!!
Finally I can also turn to my girlfriend and tell her that if I don’t watch porn I could die. She’ll buy that, ohhhhhh ya.
These here internets are great fer increasin mah intelligunce
September 24th, 2008 at 4:53 am
Interesting list.
I don’t agree with the smoking though. I grew up with asthma and allergies and had a dad that smoked. I spent many night in the emergency room because back then no one realized the danger smoking caused.
My young daughter has asthma and I’ve often given her coffee to relieve some of the symptoms because I discovered it worked for me years ago.
Also, I think an occasional argument or even a fist fight (depending on your age)is good too. It’s a good cerebal workout to make your point while yelling. A physical fight can also improve your confidence and get you more respect from your peers IMO.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:01 am
One thing to add to caffiene is that it helps lessen the severity of migrain.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:08 am
Nice list.
And to those commenting listing sources from wikipedia- don’t you know that Wikipedia is a terrible source to go off of? Anyone can add things there, just go to a medical site and look it up!
September 24th, 2008 at 5:09 am
jfrater:
Great list. Especially the porn. I TOLD mom it was good for me when I was 15. Sometimes parents just don’t listen.
I’ll pass on the smoking though.
And I’ll be awaiting your list on the health benefits of extra-thick cheeseburgers, gooey pizza, and fried chicken.
til then, a glass of wine and a plate of asparagus for me.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:20 am
I think the negative stigma around the items on this list is rediculously strong (barring cigarettes and stress). That being said, I am one to take addictions too far and try to keep away from most of these things. It’s too late for my ice cream addiction (Why, Ben & Jerry’s, did you put a store within WALKING distance of my apartment!?!), but thankfully I’ve never picked up a cigarette.
Very nice list. I must say, too, I’m rather glad to see that nice, long list of references after the list. I worry sometimes that contributors aren’t as honest as we hope they would be with their citations and that lawsuits may be thrown around.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:23 am
Randall: Did you know you could save on pounds and cholesterol by soaking each slice of pizza you eat with a napkin? Those tablespoons of grease add up over a year! ‘Course, people will look at you funny; then again, I eat pizza with a fork, so I’m bizarre anyway.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:31 am
Unfortunately… at the moment I’m a diabetic… so I can’t indulge in certain things on here, and never marijuana. Sorry folks, I see what happens when people smoke it, and can’t abide allowing myself to act like that due to a drug – I do it fine just on my own. TObacco though… maybe as a pipe so I don’t have to put up with so many toxins would be fine.
And the porn… heh heh, I NEVER! LMAO! Oh, who am I kidding, I have more pron sites in my favorites than regular ones. Good thing my li’l lady doesn’t mind.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:44 am
Wow, really surprising… I really love to agree with #1, LOL, my friend just told me before… Good job, J…
September 24th, 2008 at 5:44 am
While I think beer is gross, and have vowed to myself to never smoke as long as I can help it, this is one hell of a list. Good to see that stress is beneficial, and that warm fuzzy feeling I get when it eleviates………
September 24th, 2008 at 5:49 am
cedestra: soaking each slice of pizza with a napkin??? but then you take all the flavor out.
as far as the porn one goes, i have to disagree. in reading the sources that were provided here is what the author of one of the studies said…
“Lead author Martin Hald concedes that people generally view themselves as relatively immune to harmful media effects and that users may focus on porn’s benefits to rationalize continuous consumption. Indeed, studies by others show that exposure to X-rated material makes both men and women less satisfied with their partners, less supportive of marriage, more interested in emotionless sex, and more accepting of female servitude.”
everything terrible in the world has supporters, otherwise it wouldn’t exist. we only do what we enjoy. but this “research” is focused on people who already have positive feelings towards porn. not exactly the most unbiased group to ask.
i personally know the dangers of porn and how that can harm relationships, especially marriage. it isn’t worth it.
btw, excellent idea to include the references.
impressed again by jayfray.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:50 am
That’s it, I’m excited. According to this list I’m gonna live forever.
Seriously folks, it is not mentioned, but I’m thinking moderation is the key. Drinking red wine all day; the detrimental effects are going to far out weigh the beneficial properties.
There is no way you’re going to convince me that my cigarette habit is good for me. Preventing Alzheimer’s won’t do me much good if I’m dead at 65 from lung cancer.]
Shadow: Act how? I’m a weed smoker, I don’t act like a drug addled fool. Moderation in all things.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:56 am
Oh and my Grandmother was correct the whole time; maybe she should have changed it around a bit.
“Everyone SHOULD eat a peck of dirt before they die”
Did you know that one of the best ways to prevent your children from auto-immune disorders is to have a family pet? Visit your local pound, not only will you be benefiting your family, you’ll be saving someone’s discarded pet from the big needle.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:59 am
This list doesnt suprise me a bit… ANYTHING, if taken in huge doses, is probably going to be bad for you.
The upshot is now I can reindulge in some old habits with less worry. YAY!
September 24th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Just one point about the #8
As jfrater said, stress is a natural reaction that at least all mamals use to front dangerous situations. The fisiologic response is healthy for a short time, but not how humans take it.
It was made for activate a “red alert code” when you saw a lion comming stright to you for example. When you found yourself free of that manace the stress reaction ended.
The problem is that nowadays humans are constantly thinking about the lion, even when is miles away. And because of that we prolong the stress state more to what is healthy.
About smoking. I don’t think is worst the benefits…they’re a bit off.
Anyway, another nice list
JB
September 24th, 2008 at 6:08 am
“You are less likely to binge after eating ice-cream.” What if that was what you binged on in the first place? Yeah…moderation…I know.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:14 am
I’ve seen so many studies change views while growing up… first milk was good for you, then bad, now it seems to be ok again.
And some of these studies are esoteric and off the wall. I’m waiting for some really bizarre crap like: “Recent studies have shown that engaging in homicidal tendencies raises the sperm count in men and reduces anxiety.”
September 24th, 2008 at 6:17 am
Let me guess; the people who are responding to this list positively are the same ones who actually believe what’s ‘reported’ in the newspaper.
Btw. Reference 10. Look at who is saying dairy is good for you. Surprising?
September 24th, 2008 at 6:17 am
I’m sure that there are an equal number of studies showing that all these things are bad for you. We tend to latch on to the things that support us in doing what we want to do anyway, or confirm us in what we already don’t do, and ignore the things that tell us not to do the things we want to do.
A few years ago a chain email went round quoting a university study (that turned out to be fake) that found that fellatio was good for a woman’s health and listed several benefits. Of course all the men latched on to that. Although that was a fake, there was another study that found a statistically significant reduction of pre-ecclampsia (a potentially life-threatening condition during pregnancy) among women who had done this.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:17 am
what a fun list! (although I was aware of many of the benefits from some of these things…)
my grannie always said “Ya gots ta eat a speck of dirt before ya die”
I have been completely convinced for about 10 years now that this anti-microbial world we live in (home steam cleaners for floors, anti-bacterial soaps, Lysol on doorknobs, individually wrapped everything, even restaurants with arm handles to open doors so your hands stay clean after washing) has been making our species weaker by not exposing us to germs. Hell, i grew up on a farm. walked barefoot in the woods. ate fruit right off the plants, probably swallowed a few hapless bugs as well. my motto? if it didn’t kill me then, it isn’t going to kill me now!
my father told me once “the trick to carrying on is to not get carried away, Darlin’)
(this was when i was 18 and called him to pick me up at a party at 2:00 a.m. because i was too drunk to drive home. he was pissed to get up and get me so early, but glad i didn’t attempt to drive home in that condition).
rtr
September 24th, 2008 at 6:19 am
And here I was thinking coffee or chocolate were going to be number 1.
Great list!
September 24th, 2008 at 6:22 am
This is so not true!
Ice-cream contains more chemicals than u think and they certainly will cause cancer if too much is taken over the long term.
Also,tobacco certainly does more harm than good.Is it worth risking your health for just that little benefits that may not even be true?
September 24th, 2008 at 6:27 am
The manufacturers are all out to make money and would do almost anything to make u buy their product.Don’t believe everything they say.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Kaposi’s Sarcoma is a lymphatic-based cancer: just because breast tissue has a high proportion of lymphoid tissue doesn’t equate or link the two.
In fact Kaposi’s Sarcoma is a bruise-like lesion located on the skin surface – most commonly on the torso – but spreading to the limbs and is most commonly a complication of full-blown AIDS.
In fact, many AIDS patients tend to die NOT from AIDS itself but from the corollary conditions the loss of the immune system allows – namely Pneumonia and Kaposi’s Sarcoma
September 24th, 2008 at 6:32 am
interesting list. i don’t agree with smoking though. i still think that the harm caused by smoking far offsets whatever good it does.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:36 am
lotte you’re paranoid dude. How many people have you met with lung cancer (re: smoking), and how many people have you met that have AIDS?
Weird how so many drinkers, smokers and unhealthy eaters live so long, eh?
September 24th, 2008 at 6:39 am
I have mixed feelings about this list, mostly the pot and smoking…I just quit smoking (ciggs), and although it’s only been two months. I feel MUCH healthier.
The pot..eh. I guess to each his own, but its not my thing. I know waaaaaay too many potheads and if I talked/smelled/thought like them I might just shoot myself. They certainly aren’t healthy, but I suppose they feel no pain.
Anyway..PETA just wrote a letter to Ben and Jerry’s asking them to use human breast milk in ice cream instead of cow milk. To everyone who just threw up in their mouths…thanks, I’m here all week
September 24th, 2008 at 6:40 am
Okay, I understand the many things on this list (chocolate, alcohol, caffeine) can be unhealthy for you in large quantities, but I really have a hard time buying that virtually any amount of porn is healthy, especially with its rather ubiquitous nature as a result of the internet. Due to the advent of the internet, pornography has moved from being something only moral groups are opposed to, in fact, some of the leading experts in sexual and porn addiction are not religious peoplet at all. I would recommend reading anything Patrick Carnes. He is a leading expert on sexual addiction. While I understand you are probably advocating an “in moderation” approach here, the studies indicate that porn is highly addictive, probably moreso that some types of drugs. Carnes says, “…the same way that people can become addicted to drugs, alcohol or gambling, they can become addicted to sex, anything from Internet sex to obsessive masturbation to affairs….”
This is a good list, I just wanted to chime in with my two cents on this sure-to-be volatile topic.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:45 am
The strange thing about being addicted to cigarettes (IMHO anyway) is the first one you smoke… I’ve seen people turn green, cough their spleen up and their response after this?
Give me another smoke, man…
Chalk it up to peer pressure maybe.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:58 am
Lusting after sin… do they cancel each other out?
September 24th, 2008 at 6:59 am
Cool list! I can’t justify smoking tobacco as healthy, even though I am a nicotine addict! As much as I would like to know that there could be benefits, I know that the consequences are worse. On a “higher” note, cannabis was beneficial to me, and my marriage. Once my hubby and I started toking together, we stayed home with each other, sat and smoked, laughed and talked more, and enjoyed each others’ company. And, porn has helped in other ways.
It is easy to get into a rut in a marriage, and we found a way out of ours! Yay for weed and porn! Making the world a happier place!
September 24th, 2008 at 7:01 am
The bit about the Victorians is nonsense, of course–nonsense remains nonsense no matter how many times it’s repeated. Sin is sin. Lust is lust. Keep trying to justify it.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:05 am
This list seems slightly biased towards the positive aspects of these items. This list neglects to say how much chemicals there are in things like ice cream and coffee (artificial sweetners, preservatives), and the fact that smoking is even on this list, let alone number 2, is amazing. Not only are you inhaling smoke, but you are also inhaling chemicals like carbon monoxide, tar, and even arsenic. Is this list meant to be a joke?
September 24th, 2008 at 7:16 am
Chris- put tongue in cheek.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Bob:
Sorry, but you’re the one spouting nonsense pal. The list was factually quite correct; pornography, as we so define it today, is a product of the repressive Victorian era. Georgians and Elizabethans certainly had no such compunctions regarding sexual imagery (they simply didn’t have the technology to produce the stag film… yet) and in fact classical civilization (Greeks and Romans) was replete with bawdy sexual imagery which you wouldn’t believe. Some of *that* stuff would shame Larry Flynt (well, almost).
Rabelais, Boccaccio and other medieval/renaissance authors wrote works that are chock full of sex and scatology and all kind of things that were smiled at and accepted broadly in their day–though the uptight Victorians would later label them taboo.
Remember, these are the tight-assed clowns who thought it necessary to censor *Shakespeare* because he was thought too bawdy and graphic.
History has shown that when sexual desires are repressed rather than channelled into healthy release, it causes all kinds of corruption, grief, crime and misery. Which is exactly what Bible-thumpers such as yourself (at least you seem to be) wish to avoid.
The hypocritical Victorians were known quite well to indulge–albeit secretly–in all kinds of acts, depravities and pornography–except that they had to do it in hiding, and the law had to pretend (for the most part) to look the other way.
Why? Because the Victorians, like the rest of us, were human. Denying one’s humanity doesn’t make one less sinful or more pure, Bob. It just makes one repressed, foolish, and hypocritical.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:28 am
I found this list and the comments about this list interesting. It seems that the creator and many of the commentors are trying to justify the addictions they have. Anyone can find shreds of “good” in inherently bad (not bad in the moral sense, primarily in the “- for you” sense) things. For example, war is good because it reduces the population and boosts the economy. If you were to illuminate both sides of the thing, the good v. the bad, you would certainly find that most of the items on this list should be avoided or engaged in sparingly.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Probably the exception, not the rule, but…
I work in the porn industry (I’m an editor for Red Light District TV Canada), and over the year or so I’ve been employed there, I’ve noticed a dramatic reduction in sex drive and developed ED. I don’t think porn is a bad thing, but all in moderation – something I’ve learned.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Great list! Some of these I knew of vaguely, but it’s good to put some reason behind them. Look at those references would you, it’s a beautiful sight :’)
September 24th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Time magazine reported a couple years back that Nicotine helps with Jet Lag; apparently a single cigarete reduced the effects of it for more than 50% of the people tested. Or something.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:46 am
tobbytoy- good point, however, the 10 items in the list are usually demonized. We’ve had it shoved down our throats that these things are bad for us. The point of the list (I think) is to show a different light on these *scandalous* things.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Lotte – You wouldn’t happen to be an author; would you?
Dischuker – My condolences, for what they’re worth. I don’t particularly agree with porn for its own sake, but as a way to find what you like, and as a form of foreplay, it could be a good thing. The problem comes from addiction and immature views and ideas that are allowed to take hold; which is why it should be in moderation, and with the partner’s consent and hopefully mutual enjoyment.
Mom424 – What I said was not intended as a generalisation, though I can see now how it could be taken as such. My apologies for that. If you’ll remember, I’m only in my twenties, so imagine what kind of behavior I’ve seen them get up to.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:19 am
In regards to the smoking thing…
I actually have allergen induced asthma, and oddly enough, smoking helps it a bit. If I’m having an attack, and I have a cig, it goes away.
I’ve just quit, so I’m going to have to refill my inhaler for when I do get an attack.
But then again, I don’t recommend picking up smoking.
Like Mom said, what’s the difference if you ward off Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s if you’re dead at 65?
Caffeine is part of some migraine medicines.
Doesn’t help MY migraines of course though
September 24th, 2008 at 8:21 am
cannabis has runied many of my friends lives.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Beer, wine, smoking, porn, cannabis, coffee, chocolate, stress and best of all ice-cream – They’re going to find me face down in the dirt but with a big smile on my face.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Yeah, honestly this list make me a little sick. For the majority of the items, the bads absolutely outweigh the goods. I feel sorry for anyone that uses these ideas as justification for their bad habits.
I’d better just stop there…
September 24th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Cedestra:
I had a friend in college who did that, the napkin/pizza thing. Yes, it does look weird.
Easier for me to just avoid pizza entirely, since it’s a food I cannot say no to, if I get just one taste of it. I confess I’ve had the same self-control problem with some women I’ve known, but then I am, after all, a perv.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:29 am
hmmm-
I had an ex boyfriend who edited porn for a website and in his down time had to go on several of their competitors and check out their ads, the quality of their movies, etc. He quit that job a about 8 months before I ever met him and we dated for two years, and in that time he didn’t look at porn once, and would repeat over and over how it just didn’t do it for him anymore. He also suffered from a reduced sex drive for a good year.
We’re on friendly terms and he JUST started looking at porn again like three weeks ago.
Moderation is definitely the key term of the day at LV.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Presumably (as many others have commented) these things should only be enjoyed in moderation. I’ve cut back on the weed but I haven’t noticed any major changes, only that now when I smoke I get WAY more stoned than I used to and as result my weed lasts longer, sweet!!
Astraya: if what you say about bjs is true then I’m sorted, hehe
Shadow: I’m in my 20s too and I’ve seen people from the ages of about 16 – 40 stoned and let me tell you its generally the older people who act like idiots.
That’s not to say that everyone young who smokes acts ok – one guy I knew attacked someone because she kept shining a torch in his face. But then he did warn her he was going to kill her if she did it again. Luckily he had the sense not to smoke again.
As for porn – personally, I don’t understand the appeal. Why would I want to watch other people having sex when I could be doing it myself?
September 24th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Haha! I LOVE this list!! Although I’ll say ‘thanks but no thanks’ to beer, cigarettes and drugs I agree that everything else needs to be taken in moderation.
My boss always tells me: “Just beacause one glass of wine boost your health doesn’t mean eight glasses of wine is eight times the effect”
*Now I won’t feel so bad indulging myself on ice cream, chocolate and coffee….Dont’ forget porn!!
September 24th, 2008 at 8:47 am
I can testify with the porn, I have vast knowledge of the female body and my wife is grateful
September 24th, 2008 at 8:49 am
I wish my boss knew about this list.
I could sit at my desk drinking a beer, having a cigarette and watching the porn. All for health reasons of course
September 24th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Cannabis. =]
September 24th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Well I didn’t think I will one day quit on LISTVERSE, but that day has come. I’m not sure who is responsible for SCREENING lists, but that one is very UNAPPROPRIATE!!
-Millions of people die of lung cancers and respiratory problems every years. The government spend billions of dollars just to cure and to assist patients with those illnesses. Smoking isn’t suprisingly good for you!
-Thousands and thousands of people die on the roads every years, children and women are being physically abused because of drunkness. Wine and Beers aren’t surprisingly good for you. Drink grape juice, all the good stuff is in it.
-Families are broken everywhere because of the addiction to pornography. It’s REALLY hard to stay faithful to your wife when you LUST after other women. When my sex life has improved because i think of perversed images, I don’t see how PORN can be SURPRISINGLY GOOD for a couple.
-Chocolate and Caffein aren’t the best food to intake. Do just a little study. They are stimulating agents and intoxicate your body. To be taking with moderation. It is not SURPRISINGLY good for you.
This list is just to encourage those living with difference VICES. Let’s seek what is really GOOD. For any comments, on what I just said.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:00 am
man no wonder the west is wrecked – these comments say it all. puritan yanks and pc brits no doubt
September 24th, 2008 at 9:09 am
I can agree with number one. My boyfriend and I use it to get in the mood all the time! So it definately has enriched our lives.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Everything in moderation, of course. You can overdo everything on this list and those that are conventionally seen as healthy (like getting an orange tint from eating carrots).
Great list, really!
A.Zon: I can testify to porn, too – both my husband and I watch it (not always together) and we have a great sex life.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Fantastic list! Best in a while.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:21 am
jajdude: what’s that supposed to mean?
September 24th, 2008 at 9:23 am
nic:
nic, nic… lighten up sport. ALL THINGS IN MODERATION. You are reporting the effects of ABUSE and ADDICTION—but people can abuse and be addicted to damn near anything these days, and you could argue it ALL does harm.
Red wine is good for you. People have been thriving on it for thousands of years. Yeah, if you suck it down like water, you’re gonna get in trouble. Winos ain’t fun… trust me, I’ve known a few. Insufferable boors. But this doesn’t mean wine itself is a BAD thing. FOOD is a good thing, but if you eat too much of it, you turn into a big, fat pig. Nobody likes that. But what do we do? Ban food? Nooooooo… cuz we need it. Samewise with the vino. I know I need it. Life would be unbearable without a snort now and then. I can’t help it if a few people are alcoholics; that’s their problem (sorry to sound cruel) and they either produce the strength of will to cope with it, and/or get help… or they don’t. But I shouldn’t have to give up my glass or two of wine two or three times a week on account of THEM.
Chocolate and caffeine DO have benefits–particularly chocolate. AGAIN, if you OVERINDULGE, sure… you’re a glutton. Don’t do it. But let’s practice self-control and some character strength here… not just pounce on the poor chocolate bar, who is only innocently trying to bring us pleasure.
Same goes for porn. It can be a wonderful thing. I like being horny, and like the release of it at the appropriate time. Now, me, I don’t actually indulge in porn, because I find enough “release” in my actual life. But when you’re between engagements, as it were, and feeling the itch, a little help now and then isn’t a bad thing.
Yes, if you spend every waking hour staring hungrily at girls in leather in weird positions on the internet, you’ve got a problem. But seek help for it–have the strength of will to face it. That’s all.
Lusting after other women now and then, when one is married, is natural. ACTING on it is wrong. A little fantasy now and then releases the urge. Now, frankly, I don’t think porn should be necessary for this—I took my business in with me, solo, to the privacy of my bath, when needed, back when I was married. Worked for me… but then to each his own… maybe some guys need to have a few copies of Hustler lying around. I find that adolescent, but hey… it’s a free country. But it wasn’t lusting after other women that broke up MY marriage–it was my shrewish, harpy of a wife with her incessant nagging that did it. (HA HA… just kiddin’… actually she’s a good egg. We just weren’t right for each other, we had too many differences in temperament and personality).
Any, nic, in short, you’re being an uptight goofball. Relax. We’re all heading to the same hole in the ground–having a little fun along the way is a good thing. Overindulging isn’t. Let’s say no to excess, and yes to moderation… okay?
September 24th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Nic, way to censor, bravo.
Frater, great list.
So yeah, moderation in all things, the very basic thing about all this is that no matter what everything we do to and with our bodies effects it both positively and negatively.
Nic. I applaud your ability to shun vice, and pity your lack of living.
That being said. You comment is inappropriate, more so than this list. You views mean nothing to me and to say that your views should dictate what I read. Well, that is just innane.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Lack of living? Because I choose not to smoke pot or look at porn you think someone like me isn’t “living”? I think I have a lot more living under my belt by not tying myself to addictive and immoral indulgences.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Beer on the list its made my day.
Good list – and Randall what a brilliant response to nic`s comments, everything in moderation very well interpereted and well written.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I plan on doing all of these at the same time this weekend. Big date night for me!
September 24th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Nic – me and my boyfriend regularly watch porn and we have a fantastic sex life and a brilliant relationship. I suggest you perhaps lighten up and stop believeing everything the government tells you.
Everything in moderation
September 24th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Sounds like #78 Nic needs to mellow out a little…if you know what I mean.
Plenty of bad things happen all the time that aren’t caused by any of the things listed here. It seems like you have a pretty bleak outlook on life, man. From those of us who believe you only live once, it sounds alot like you aren’t living at all. And if we weren’t supposed to enjoy these things; at least in moderation, why did God even bother creating them? Oh wait…I know why…
September 24th, 2008 at 10:01 am
I completely agree with you, solensdrotting. Just because I choose not to destroy my body by smoking and shorten my life by decades doesn’t mean I’m not living. Its just the opposite.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:08 am
solensdrottning/nic
Hey, if you want me to give a turd about your morality you have to in turn do the same right?
My opinion is just as valid as yours, only difference is that I do not advocate you being silenced.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Did I in any way try to silence you or say that you should be silenced?
No.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Great list!
It shames me that were from the same city nic.
P.S. Resveratrol, the chemical in red wine that can reduce the risk of cancer, coronary heart disease, and is benificial to the cardiovascular system, is not found in grape juice. Grape juice that you get at your local super market is made from concentrate, even the ones that say 100% real juice are mostly concentrate.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:50 am
calm down kiddies..
Randall, I bet you know this, and if anyone else does, please chime in.
Is white wine as good for you as red? I’ve never found a red I’m particularly fond of. I even buck tradition and order myself a glass of white with a nice steak.
Or, is there a specific red someone has tried and would like to recommend?
Also, a nice little story about chocolate:
I bring fun sized candy bars in my lunch, and a coworker buys his almost every day. He usually gets a sandwich and a salad and always commends himself on his healthy choices and lambasts me for bringing candy, never mind the fact that I topple the scales at 106 pounds. Anyway, he DRENCHES his salads in ranch dressing and has long ignored my comments that salad dressing is worse than my candy bar.
Finally, our cafeteria got single salad dressing packets and when we were able to compare, he was putting twice the fat and calories on his salad as I was eating in my candy.
again.. M-O-D-E-R-A-T-I-O-N
September 24th, 2008 at 10:56 am
I appreciate your reply Randall and the time you took to write it.
I respect your view, I think we all have the freedom to think and to reason. I gave my opinion, you gave yours, both respectfully, and that’s how things should be.
I won’t hide you the fact that I have a Christian bible based background and beleives. (I have no shame in claiming to be Christian) I regard holiness and purity as gifts that God desired to give us for our own good and happiness. I’m assuming now that you are open to different views and beleives, that is why I will write this to you.
The Bible describes sinful habits and vices as being like leprosy (ok, I know I may be a little radical here for some, but please just follow the train of thoughts). One can be affected on a hand or a feet for instance, but very rapidly, the leprosy will be spread out and infect the whole body. And so it is with what God calls sin. Sin can be seen as “in” and inoffensive, but rapidly, it will develop an addiction and a dependancy that might very well lead to a recurring compulsion registered within the brain. It’s a trap, a force that will bring one down. Okay, smoking, drinking and porn may not be seen as dangerous as stealing, murdering or adultery, yet Jesus is clear when he states that when you lust after a woman, you have already commited adultery in the heart. And yes, and unfortunately, the drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Did you know that study shows that 33% of people that touch alcohol will become alcoholic? Tell me something, if my doberman would attack 33% of the guests that come to my house, would you ever visit me? And would I keep that dog? If 33% of the planes would crash, nobody would ever fly into the sky, would they?
Listen, what I am saying is this: You have the choice to live your life the way you think you want to live it. God gives us free choice. But for every action someone makes, they are consequences. Is moderation the way to go? Human nature does not and have not changed. We rapidly develop habits that are hard and even impossible to undo. Try to show me 10 people that are totally complete and fulfilled drinking, smoking, watching porn, and I will show you 50 that have had complete freedom over those things and will NEVER go back.
I am NOT going to support porn industry that treat women as sexual objects and that abase human kind as animals. God gave us a mind to choice right from wrong. We are NOT animal living according to our lowest instincts. Sex has been giving only as a gift to those who God has united to enhance the expression of their love and to populate the planet.
I will not smoke or encourage anyone to use either cigarettes nor drugs. It kills millions of people every years. I want to live as healthy as I can, especially when I will hit the last days on my life. I’m not going to polute my family and my friends either. Cigarette kills, it’s written on the packages. The bible says: I shall not kill. That includes me.
I don’t consume alcoholic drinks. Too risky and it kills brain cells, that is where the feeling of being drunk comes from. And when I have a good time, I like to remember it the next day! And for those who says, Jesus drank wine, the bible uses the word wine for both fermented and unfermented grape juice. Jesus changed water into grape juice. Do some research.
Many of you will evidently disagree with what I wrote. This is a bible based Christan view. This view will not suit those postmodernists of this world that beleive that there is no abdolute true. I respect your view, though do not agree, not in the presence of an all-caring and all-loving God. This view will not suit atheists and agnotists either, for we may just be, according to them, glorified monkeys and we should truly do what pleases the heart. Human kind has never archeived peace and unity just because we have too often followed what our hearts have dictate us. And lastly, this view will not suit the sin lover, for it requires a sacrifice and humility to reconize that the pleasures of this world cannot fulfill and make anyone complete. Only Christ can.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:59 am
One of the reasons “…that smokers have a dramatically reduced risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease and Parkinson’s Disease…” is because they tend to die long before those particular diseases become evident.
I find it interesting that the numbers 2 and 1 items on the list are actually ON the list – though I must admit I’m certainly a fan of number 1! I know from personal experience (being a former smoker) and from the experiences of my family and friends (several of whom are dead as a direct result of diseases/conditions caused by their smoking habits), that the risks of smoking FAR outweigh any possible benefits one ‘might’ find.
As for the old statement, “All things in moderation…” it should probably be qualified more along the lines of “…most things in moderation, and some things never at all…”
Well, I’m off to have a frozen chocolate ice cream cake with hash brownies, and my choice of beer/wine to enjoy while watching The Devil and Miss Jones. Cheers!
September 24th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Great list.
Just found a similar one…
http://www.livescience.com/health/top_10_badthings_good.html
September 24th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Cannabis! Viva Jamaica!
September 24th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Except for Icecreams,chocoloates & playing in dirt…I am a big no no for everything
September 24th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Callie:
You’ve asked the right person, as A) I am all-knowledgeable, omniscient, omnipresent, and have a “sexy radio voice.” B) I live in “wine country” and know my freakin’ wines. In fact, a list on this very subject is forthcoming, as soon as I can finish it—it places lower on my priority list than other items–some work-related, some not.
Anyway, unfortunately, no… white wine does NOT offer as MUCH a benefit as red wine–or so research sez. (But can you trust eggheads? Personally, I see ‘em everyday—in fact there’s one not 15 feet away from me now, meeting with some of his lil’ acolytes—and I know these nerds are fallible, when they can’t even figure out Powerpoint). But seriously, no… if I recall correctly (I admit I may not be, I’m not googling this shit, I’m just pulling it out of my memory–so don’t come back later correcting me on some minor error) the benefit of wine issues from the tannins in it–which come in large part out of the grape skin. At any rate, there are more tannins in red wine than in white–so you may think of white wine in THIS sense as a dilution of red. (This is not in fact what it really is, of course, but I trust you’re following my point here). I don’t know that anyone’s ever said that drinking MORE white wine would be the equivalent of a smaller amount of red… so I believe there’s also certain elements that are not present in white. But again, I could be wrong here.
Bottom line is, the benefits from red wine are present in red in enough quantity to make a difference if you drink a glass or two, two or three times a week or so. Drinking more is not supposed to be a bigger help. But there are not enough of these elements in white wine to benefit as much, if consumed at that level or even at a slightly higher level. And in short, after a while, drinking a LOT of white wine would be counter-productive, as it could cause more ills than benefits, if you see what I mean.
Of course, white wine is lowest in calories of all alcoholic beverages, so there’s a nice plus to that.
But all in all, if you want to help your heart, you drink the red stuff. The white will help a tiny bit, but not enough, maybe, to really make it worthwhile.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Nic(78) Holy cow, dude, get a grip! That is, if you’re still reading this list on this site… if not, well, good riddance.
Wow, I can almost taste the moral majority sweating bloody tears over this one little list.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Callie:
Also, what do you find odious about red wines? You say you’ve never found one you like… what’s the problem?
I might hazard a guess that you prefer sweet wine. This is the usual objection people have to reds, as the good ones tend to be dry (though there ARE sweet reds—ports, dessert wines, sherries, etc.) If that’s the case–i.e., if you want sweetness—then my only advice, sadly, is to kick that sweet habit. Go off the soft drinks for a while. Stop putting sugar in your coffee. Force yourself to embrace the bitterness. Then, after a time… try the dry reds again. They really are better than sweet wines. Wine wasn’t really meant to be all sugary. God, I’ve tasted wine that was just a few degrees of thickness away from being JELLY, and it was disgusting to me. It’s like when you first start drinking–beer tastes like shit, and you slaver over rum and cokes and screwdrivers and the like. The thing to do is to grow out of that and accept bitterness–as is the way with all things in life—the secret to life, as a friend of mine puts it, is to embrace the bile. Embrace the bitterness. And actually what you find, in dry red wine, is that it really ends up tasting MUCH better than ANY sweet wine, as you come to realize that it has tastes far more satisfying and subtle then mere sweetness. Really, try it. Experiment. Have fun with it.
My recommendation–do NOT buy a cheap-o red to start out. Which is not to say you should spend big bux—that’s a myth too, that more cost = better wine. It doesn’t, not always. But find a moderately-priced, medium-priced red—one that has quality, and has had a little time to age and mellow. You shouldn’t have to spend, really, more than $25-$30, to get something fairly decent. In fact, you could even spend less, depending on the wine—but that’s less certain. You shouldn’t have to spend MORE, because that’s just overdoing it, and you may end up wasting money. Even $30 for a bottle of wine may sound like a lot, but if it opens up your world a little, it’s worth it.
Find a really good wine store or wine merchant in your area (by the way, my family were wine merchants once, which is also how I know some of this crap) and ask their advice. Go for a good Italian table wine–nothing fancy–but nothing bargain basement either, as I said. Or a good medium-weight wine from California or France. There are some good Chilean, Australian, and New Zealand reds… but safer, at your level, to start out with the old reliables—Italy, France, California. New York wines, sadly (which I know best, being from there) are not known for their reds. We don’t have the climate for them.
Anyway, what you want is a middle-weight or medium-weight red–nothing too heavy… your wine merchant will know what I mean. Merlot is everyone’s favorite, but I tend to go more for the cabernets and shiraz… just me. Don’t try for something super-heavy though—big mistake. A DECENT, good quality chianti could even be good.
REMEMBER too–wine is meant to be drunk with food. This is particularly true of red wine. So ask the wine guy what food to pair your wine with. Some foods overpower wine, others complement it superbly. Keep this in mind.
But just do a tasting to start out with… better yet, if you can, go to a wine tasting somewhere. Some really swanky wine stores will hold them from time to time.
I’d suggest some specific wines, but the trouble is, it’s often about personal taste… and I’ve been drinking dry red wines since I was 12 years old…. so what I like might be a bit much.
Of course… if the sweetness issue isn’t the problem… well, then you’d have to explain. But a lot of my suggestions would still apply.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:37 am
I really appreciate the sources at the bottom of this excellent list. Well written, and I was glad to see a couple of my own vices listed. Hooray Beer!
September 24th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Eggs are good, no wait, eggs are bad! No…that’s not right, eggs are good! Just have a dang egg if you want one. Or an ice cream, or a beer, or a joint…
September 24th, 2008 at 11:39 am
I am going to write one more thing to those who beleive all, or those who simple just consider, what the many studies and research are informing us.
I will elaborate a little scenario. We know that the porn industry makes billion of dollars each years. If I preside a Study Research Institute and I am offered 20 million dollars to come up with a study that will NOT condemn the effect of pornography but, will show the positive effects and the pros of watching it, I will most likely accept the deal and do I am asked to do. Money is ruling here, not conscience, but money.
Cigarettes company spend millions of dollars just to come with studies to show that, really, cigarettes isn’t that bad for you. Same with wine. Same with cannabis.
Do you think that those multinationals care about your health?????? Make me laugh! They just want to make a better profit. More money. Your health.. humm nop. Money.. yeah!
Please do not beleive everything anything that studies show and try to convince you with. Anyway, in a couple of months or years, other studies will show the complete opposite of what has been said.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:52 am
The truth of the matter, with regards to research studies and the like, is that there are many varied results that come of them. Depending on what the researcher ‘wants’ to find (their thesis and/or hypothesis), they can come up with evidence and facts to support their point of view. Too often, people do not do their OWN research sufficiently to determine the full scope of facts surrounding an issue/question that others have researched.
Personal tastes and activities with respect to the items on this particular list, irrespective of research findings, should be tempered by a whole host of factors, including (but not limited to): social mores, personal morals, societal norms, ethics, personal needs, individual freedoms which do not infringe on those freedoms of others…
As has been said a few times by others above, we all need to live a little and enjoy our lives. We spend far too little time on this chunk of space rock as it is, and if we cannot enjoy life a little now and again, why are we even here at all?
September 24th, 2008 at 11:59 am
all my favorite food groups – all in one list! (that includes dirt and porn)
and of course, as so many others have noted – MODERATION!!!
water’s healthy – unless you drink so much that you drown internally (this has happened)
protein’s healthy – unless you have cheeseburgers for every meal (watch the movie “supersize me”)
my sister “bubble-wraps” her kids – no dirt, wash hands every 10 seconds, very little sugar – and they run around like banshees all day and she can’t figure out why.
September 24th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
One thing that I think is pretty funny is how personally some of the commentors take these lists. It’s a list people, and you act like it’s trying to justify doing these things. If that were the case, then everyone on this site should start cutting babies from their mothers’ wombs, because that was a list 2 days ago. This is merely a way of sharing interesting information with each other, via a community; not a reason for everyone to get up in arms about their personal beliefs. Leave them at home, or the office; and for ten minutes or so just enjoy being able to indulge in something new and interesting, whether or not it’s your personal belief. That’s really living…
September 24th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Nic: Just curious which multi-nationals are advocating cannabis. The answer is none. The mega-corps you’re talking about, Phillip Morris, The Bronfmans, aren’t going to be doing positive studies on weed. It threatens their market share. Most especially the Bronfmans. (They own Seagram’s fyi).
September 24th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Maybe I should start smoking again; I’d rather have lung cancer than Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s.
September 24th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
interesting to learn that research is being done looking at using nicotine in the treatment of schizophrenia.. The rate of smoking in the general population is 30 percent, and reported rates for people with schizophrenia range between 62 percent and 81 percent. Those that do smoke, in my observation, smoke extremely heavily, and their rates of lung cancer are on par or slightly lower than the general population. I’m curious about the link…
Thanks for another great list!
September 24th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
One more for Nic:
Scare Tactics, pal…Every other week something that was healthy before is now a detriment to society…Cell phones cause cancer, and start gasoline fires; apples on Halloween have razor blades in them, the Lord will return in a glorious cloud next week, etc. The bottom line is people will tell you anything as long as you will listen, that’s why studies are done by SCIENTISTS to see if these claims are indeed true. Just use your head, not your bible, not the news. You know what might be surprisingly good for you…free and rational thought.
September 24th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
I don’t think it’s a sweetness issue, as I prefer the dry whites to the sweet and can’t stand any blush wine. I’m not much of a sugary drink drinker, either. I don’t remember the last time I had a soda, and I do one packet of splenda in my travel mug each morning. The sweetest thing I drink is a suger free Red Bull every day.
I suppose its just a taste thing maybe? Or the way I was raised? My mother is a white wine drinker, and in college my wine experience was limited to that which comes out of a box or a screw off top (Boone’s Farm, we hardly knew ye) All the reds I’ve had have been by the glass on recommendations of others, so I’m sure there’s quite a few I’ve never tried. Maybe I just need to drink it more- I think I’m much more comfortable ordering/drinking/knowing white wine so I just get it more.
I’ll move out of my comfort zone
September 24th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Randall have you ever tasted a red wine from S.A. ? Just asking.
It has been a good mud slinging list – we need them now and again to keep the adrenal flowing.
September 24th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
42. DamienKarras: ‘And some of these studies are esoteric and off the wall. I’m waiting for some really bizarre crap like: “Recent studies have shown that engaging in homicidal tendencies raises the sperm count in men and reduces anxiety.”’
OMG, if that were true I would *totally* bone Dexter. Nevermind, I’d do it anyway. ::drool::
38. Mom424: ‘Oh and my Grandmother was correct the whole time; maybe she should have changed it around a bit.
“Everyone SHOULD eat a peck of dirt before they die”’
O.O A peck or a speck? That’s a big difference. Pica for the win.
71. Randall: “I confess I’ve had the same self-control problem with some women I’ve known, but then I am, after all, a perv.” We know…
84. Randall: “We just weren’t right for each other, we had too many differences in temperament and personality” REALLY? Wow… Ah, just teasing you.
September 24th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Nic:
Hebrews is full of verses saying that there is a time and a place for EVERYTHING and that ANYTHING to an excess is bad. Too much work is bad, too much sleep is bad. As others have said, Moderation is the key here.
Who’s to say that after viewing porn I’m not lusting after my wife? is it a sin to lust after your wife?
Who made cannabis? Was that not God?
Jesus also said that it’s not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out.
September 24th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I loved this list! not so much that I’m gonna go out & start smoking (cigarettes OR pot!), but enough that I will have a few bites of ice cream after dinner tonight without feeling guilty!
@ Randall: you are making me excited for red wines again, I’ve been drinking mostly whites the last several months, summer is too hot for reds for me, but with you cheering on about the reds, and the weather cooling down again, I think it’s time to move back to reds…The biggest problem with wine for me, is picking what to drink, which labels to try…Living in Sonoma County, CA there’s just too many options!
September 24th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I do like a lot of the activities in this list! However, I can’t help thinking that saying smoking and ice cream is good for you because it help you avoid a couple of illnesses, is like saying being killed in a car accident is good because it helps you avoid death by old age.
September 24th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Randall: Uh, I like white zinfandel! Does that count?
I actually have no taste for wine.
Offset comment: I’m a brunette.
September 24th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
xdarkhorsex; what bible verse are you referring to? I’d like to add it to my arsenal.
September 24th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
ooh, pink wine…not really wine at all…
Actually, while most “wine snobs” will automatically turn down their noses at a “blush” or “rosee,” and a lot of them out there are crap, there are winemakers out there working hard to improve the image. I’ve tasted a few pink wines that were really excellent…too bad I don’t remember what they were!
September 24th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
A childhood saying regarding dirt:
God made dirt, and dirt don’t hurt.
Grammatically incorrect though it is, it’s true! All these parents are babying their children! Their immune systems go so long without being exposed to germs it seems as though when they DO come into contact with something, their body doesn’t know how to fight it! I ran around barefoot, ate stuff off the ground (only if it fell within the Five-Second-Rule), rolled around in grass and sandboxes and God knows what else, and here I am!
Ice cream, chocolate, wine, and porn, all good for me! I don’t have to make excuses for my Saturday nights anymore! =P
September 24th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
I totally still follow the 5-second rule! Don’t tell my roommates though, they probably wouldn’t like to know that I dropped a few of those taters on the floor before putting them in the pot!
September 24th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Callie:
Yeah, all I can say is, move out of your comfort zone. You don’t say what reds you’ve tried that you haven’t liked, though. Where were they from? What were they? How old? What price?
Some cheap-o red wines can have a bitter, harsh taste. Okay with some foods, but on their own, not so much.
You DO have to cultivate a liking for red wine. It’s not easy. Takes time.
I could try suggestions for you, but again—it’s all down to personal taste.
Go with my previous comments, though–get to some wine tastings and experiment with it. Sip, mull ‘em over, and have fun with it.
If only one of my ex-girlfriend’s could talk to you… a couple of them were wine experts that put me to shame, seriously. In fact, one time, a few years ago, A___ (withholding her name, of course) and I were out one summer day, putting together a picnic… we ended up in this upscale wine store… and the next thing I know, she’s carrying on this drawn-out conversation with the owner about wines… in FRENCH. Went on for 10 minutes. My French was and is *considerably* inferior to hers… for all I know they could have been discussing auto transmissions. We came away from that encounter the richer (or, financially the poorer) for two bottles of excellent wine, some of the best I ever had. One was an expensive Shiraz, that’s all I remember. The day was more memorable for me than the wine, I confess. She knew her wine though.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
smurff:
I’ve absolutely had some South American wines.. I mentioned Chile… I’ve hard Argentinian wines also, I believe. Very good. Can’t think of any off the top of my head to recommend… but I do remember liking the Chilean wines very much.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Cedestra:
“71. Randall: “I confess I’ve had the same self-control problem with some women I’ve known, but then I am, after all, a perv.” We know…”
You do? How did it get out?
If only you knew from personal experience… you’d count yourself lucky.
“84. Randall: “We just weren’t right for each other, we had too many differences in temperament and personality” REALLY? Wow… Ah, just teasing you.”
Har har har.
SHE was the one with the bad temper, believe it or not. Not that I don’t have one, but hers…. mingya. She was Italian, you know. Fiery, passionate temper. Great cook though. Good at other things too.
“Uh, I like white zinfandel! Does that count?”
No.
“I actually have no taste for wine.”
Eh. It can be had. For money. Really, you can cultivate it. It’s not that hard. And it can be fun. See my suggestions to Callie.
“Offset comment: I’m a brunette.”
Are you trying to flirt with me? You know my preference for brunettes. (I’ve written distasteful and idiotic lists about them
).
Okay, so send pics.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
DK:
Glad I put the thought back in your mind. I agree, too… not as easy to drink reds in summer. But I do it. I just chill ‘em more. That’s okay. And I avoid the real heavy ones in the summer. I stick to the lightweight and medium weight stuff. Cheap table wines too… J. Roget is a good one, I think that’s the name… and Montepulciano… though that’s heavier. But I’ve drank both in summer.
Oh, but you live in Sonoma County huh? And have too much to choose from? Boo hoo hoo.
I envy you. I’m in New York wine country. The reds here suck, for the most part.
Well, when you get a chance, drop some recommendations from out your way. I’ll buy.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Unfortunately for me, several things on this list are off limits! Wine, beer, cannabis… and I don’t smoke, never did.
One thing about caffeine you failed to mention, probably because it isn’t well known, is that it increases the absorption rate of pain medications.
First thing in the a.m. I take my first dose of Oxy or Morphine with a good latte, and stay in bed until the duo works it’s magic! Later doses don’t need the extra shot, because I already have the med in my bloodstream, but overnight it wears off enough to require that jolt.
lotte, re: Ice Cream & chemicals. It depends on the ice cream. If you buy all-natural ice cream, there are no chemicals. Breyers is one but there are many more. You have to be a label reader and be prepared to either pay a bit more or go without.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
DK:
Also, I’ve gotta agree with you on rose (blush) wines. I’m no wine snob. I hate ‘em. My neighbor’s a bit of a wine snob… she irks me. But for the most part she’s just snobbish against sweet wines, which I have to largely agree with her about.
But I love a nice rose with certain foods, and in the summer and such… there’s nothing wrong with going light now and then and not being so all-damn heavy and serious.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Nic: you say wine is bad period. Do you think it was bad of Jesus then when he turned water in to wine at the wedding party when they ran out? Do you not think it may have been symbolic that it was his very first miracle in public?
September 24th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Randall, you want to be intimidated over wine?
My older daughter is a certified sommelier. I won’t even serve wine with a meal, unless she’s brought it with her and knows ahead what the meal is.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Bob: I am not talking about lust or sin – pornography (the naked depiction of a human body) as an “evil” thing is a product of the Victorian era.
statue of David
Is that sinful?
September 24th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Nameless: you are right – I have fixed the error – thanks.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
DamienKarras (39): just wanted to say – I love your nickname
September 24th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Let’s see…I know that the Cabernet Sauvignon and Shiraz I’ve tried have been my favorites, although I did have a bad Shiraz when I tried to order it on my own once. Unfortunately, all have been by the glass in and I don’t recall the names/years. They all priced from $7-$12 a glass.
I hated all variaties of Chianti and Bordeaux I’ve tried, but again can’t recall names or years. They were in the same price range though.
As a p.s. I’m a brunette too, and I think I’m not bad to look at but I’m guessing we would agree on absolutely nothing in life..although maybe you could show me some wine. This seems to be safe for us
September 24th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
ha. I just re-read your first response. We like the same reds. Ah. Harmony. I’l ltry to remember this the next time you make me mad.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Callie: there are some aspects of red wine that are good for you which are not found in white – but the alcohol content in white has health benefits too – in fact, all alcoholic drinks share the health benefits of alcohol whilst some have other benefits from the way they are made or their ingredients. So a moderate intake of alcohol in any form is good.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Nic said: “The bible says: I shall not kill. That includes me.”
Are you saying that if you smoke and someone you love dies of “passive smoking” you are a murderer? And therefore, according to the Bible, you should executed (preferably by stoning?)
Extremist much?
September 24th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
127. Randall:
Sorry, I was in a mood to tease/flirt. At least you and Callie have found some harmony (yes, I remember the brunette list). And, no, sorry, no pictures. You show me yours first. I was just to put myself neutral on the Randall-meter.
When it comes to alcoholic beverages, I’d just prefer to cultivate tastes in girly drinks. Give me a Long Island Iced Tea over wine anyday (give me two and I will be drunk like a monkey- I’m such a lightweight). I’m dangerous around margaritas.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
I will answer xdarkhorsex now.
First, the Bible NEVER says that there is a place and a time to do something against the divine WILL of God. There’s never a time to kill, lie, take your neighbours wife and so forth. I strongly beleive in Moral ethics and it is never the time and the place to do an immoral action.
However, withing the spheres of purity and holiness, as you say,we need to be moderate and all things.
Second issue, you are taking Matthew 15:11 out of context. Yes it says “Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, that defileth a man”.
Here what it really means. The context here is really important. The jews had a tradition that required to ceremonially wash the hands after each contact with a Gentile (people that were not Jews, considered as unclean for the Jews). They tried to trap Jesus and His disciples for not following the custom. Here Jesus rebukes them, playing the same “game”, but just using food as example. It’s a this moment that Jesus declares verse 11. Peter than says that it was a parable (Not to be taken and applied literally ) Jesus ends his parable saying: 19For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies, 20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Get the picture. The Jewish leaders were upset about the custom of ceremonial washing of hands, while at the same time, they had murder in their heart toward Christ. Jesus was exposing the absurdity of their posture. The ceremonial uncleanness was only an imagined defilement. The evil thoughts were true defilement. It really had NOTHING to do with what we eat or put in front of our eyes. It was more concerning the issues of the heart. David says in Psalm 101:3 I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me!
Thridly, it is 100% correct to have sexual desired toward your own wife. You have become one flesh. She’s yours for your enjoyment. The problem is when you have to lust after other women found in pornographic movies. This is adultery in the heart. Read Matthew 5:27-28.
And who made Cannabis? That is an interesting question. Well, there’s a few school of thoughts we good debate over. Some beleive that after the fall (when Adam and Eve disobeyed and ate the fruit) nature was cursed by sin and death entered into this world. Prior to the fall, there was no decay. Thus grape juice never fermented and it was never an alcoholic drink. Perhaps after the fall, nature adapted itself to the change and cannabis appeared for a reason.
It is also possible that God created Cannabis. But the real question is, did God create Cannabis to be enhaled? Or was it created for a unique purpose which we may not know about, but wasn’t for human consumption? I really don’t think God would create something to be smoked that would give such psychoactive and physiological effects. I suspect He wants us to have clarity of mind in all times and all situation.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
All things in the list boils to one thing; Use is the result of informed consent in which individuals have decided that the benefits of use outweigh the risks!
September 24th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Answer to jfrater.
Cigarette is a poison. If I put just a little poison in my child’s plate and that causes death, I will be guilty of murder.
If I know beyong the shadow of a doubt that smoking kills and I still do it (full knowledge of it) and it affects the health of my child to the point of causing his or her death, this is a sin that, if UNREPENTED OF, I will be guilty of it and will suffer the consequences.
It doesn’t matter if the poison takes effect in 2 minutes, 2 hours, 2 days, 2 years or 20 years. It is a cause to effect.
Nic
September 24th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
segue: I am always impressed by sommeliers – it is amazing how much knowledge they have – it is really an art.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
141. Nic: “There’s never a time to kill, lie, take your neighbours wife and so forth.” Woah, woah, woah there. That is INCORRECT. Exodus 22:18 “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”. I can pluck out several others that encourage putting to death adulterers, homosexuals, those who masterbate, idolators and those of other religions, etc. Doesn’t Proverbs 31:6-7 encourage giving wine to those with heavy hearts?
“I follow all the teachings of the Bible. I even follow the teachings that contradict the other teachings.”- Ned Flanders, The Simpsons
September 24th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
First and foremost, I am absolutely disgusted by the poor grammar and spelling by nearly all of the individuals posting comments. Some of you people say you would kill yourself if you were as stupid as all those dope-headed kids out there.
I implore you to argue with me.
I am proud to tell you that I just smoked a nice, fat joint and I am still more capable of putting together simple sentence than of most of you self-righteous hypocrits who do not know the difference between “too” and “to.”
Marijuana smokers are not always lazy, fat, smelly losers who are doomed to an eternity of living on their parents’ sofas. Some of the most intelligent, motivated, and admiral people I have met happily and guiltlessly indulge themselves in the occasional (or frequent) toke.
There is absolutely no logic behind the post: “cannibas ruined many friends lives.” No, it did not. Your friends were not responsible enough to consume cannibas. Yes, there are risks, but the dangers of alcohol vastly outnumber those of marijuana.
Open your eyes. Begin to think for yourself; do not rely on the myths from days long past. We are not in the prudish Victorian era any longer.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Also 141 Nic: “And who made Cannabis?” “…school of thoughts we good debate over.” “Some beleive…” “Perhaps…” “It is also possible…” “I really don’t think God would…” “I suspect He…”
Wow. You, too, think you’re an authority on what God wants? That is some dangerous thinking, unless you are a prophet (which you’ve never come out and said you were). If so, Jerusalem is THAT way; I’m sure you can find a map to the Wailing Wall along the way.
Your argument on cannibis is completely full of holes. You do not give a diffinitive answer. In fact, you just throw guesses out there and assume God’s thoughts. As I said, dangerous thinking there. You come back when God’s talked to you and then tell me what He said about cannibis. Until then, I consider you think heavily on Matthew 7:15.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Nic: So you are saying “yes” – smokers should be stoned to death if someone that lives in their home dies. Thanks for answering honestly.
It is interesting to see how you must distort and manipulate things to prove your point – to say that the Bible referred to grape juice and not alcohol, and to say that God probably didn’t make cannabis! It is frankly, ridiculous. And someone else already pointed out that Jesus said that it is not what goes in to the body which is impure, but what comes out. Anyway, what say you of this:
Do not still drink water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake, and thy frequent infirmities. [1 Timothy 5:23]
Timothy was written in Greek originally – this is what it says:
Μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας.
The word in bold is “oinos” which means “wine” – it does not mean grape-juice. It is also the source of our English word, wine.
Furthermore, the Jews condemned Jesus because he drank wine:
“Matthew 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say: Behold a man that is a glutton and a wine drinker, a friend of publicans and sinners. And wisdom is justified by her children.” (This is paralleled in Luke 7:34)
and:
“John 2:10 And saith to him: Every man at first setteth forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse. But thou hast kept the good wine until now.”
In Greek:
“καὶ λέγει αὐτῷ, Πᾶς ἄνθρωπος πρῶτον τὸν καλὸν οἶνον τίθησιν, καὶ ὅταν μεθυσθῶσιν τὸν ἐλάσσω: σὺ τετήρηκας τὸν καλὸν οἶνον ἕως ἄρτι. ”
Again we see “oinon” – the difference between -on and -os is noun case.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Fuck Yes! Could you add Pizza and Shots of Tequila (aka liquid panty remover).
September 24th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
thank you for putting up your sources! i’m actually doing a report for a class on the benefits of medical marijuana!
September 24th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Who do you know who wears liquid panties, jimbob?
September 24th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
I like this list… wish I had time to read all the comments though
They look just about as interesting as the list itself.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Nic: Hahaha and I was taking you seriously. Right up ’til this little gem.
“She’s yours for your enjoyment.”
I’m pretty sure my Davey would take issue with this ridiculous statement. And I certainly do. I belong to no-one. And frankly, at least in my experience, the reverse is more to the point.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I suddenly feel a lot better about myself and my habits
September 24th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Can somebody give Nic a big fat Joint? so we wont be arguing no more, and be done with..seriously anyone?
September 24th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
I don’t know. Clearly the Bible can teach us far more than a joint and some imagination ever could.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
156. I don’t know either. I think a joint can teach people how to have an open mind. And that can lead to far more learnings than the bible has to offer.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
#146 justsaying:
You might want to lay off the deficiencies in other people’s grammar & spelling until you learn how to spell hypocrite & admirable.
Unless you really do know some admiral stoners. That would be worth posting about.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
158. cuinas: And the point goes to you.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
haven’t got time here, I need to pour a beer, light up a smoke and get onto some serious porn, my health is depending on it.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I feel like such a tool being on this site now because it seems to me that i am the only nicotine addicted/pothead/alcoholic on this thing.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
161. Lucy – nothing is as it seems
September 24th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
#158 ciunas:
Sorry, I was SOOO blazed and my brain just wasn’t working.
I never said I was perfect, but I will definitely put myself in a league far and beyond the average bear on here.
And yes, I am sure that there may be an admiral, perhaps even a general, who enjoys a nice doobie here and there.
Also, you may want to learn how to spell “and.”
September 24th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Lucy: I smoke and drink
September 24th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Nic: “Well I didn’t think I will one day quit on LISTVERSE, but that day has come.”
Goodbye already. Enjoy your life. Somehow.
September 24th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
just a couple verses on “the weed of the garden” for Nic to ponder:
Genesis 1:29. The New American Standard Translation.
Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you.”
1 Timothy 4:1-4. The New American Standard Translation.
4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
4:2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,
4:3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods, which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.
4:4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it is received with gratitude;
1Tim4:4. “For everything created by God is good and nothing is to be rejected.”
ok this is the end of the religion lesson. if it is your revelation that it is evil, that is your revelation. you do not have the right to look down on those that don’t have the same revelation.
September 24th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Nic – Cigarettes company spend millions of dollars just to come with studies to show that, really, cigarettes isn’t that bad for you. Same with wine. Same with cannabis.
Who´s paying and getting benefits from cannabis studies? The multi-national weed companies?
Excellent list by the way, and the sources were a nice touch.
September 24th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
#163 justsaying:
Hey, that’s brilliant. Touché.
By the way, you can’t spell cannabis either.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Wow. You really dropped the ball on this one. You’ve relied on soft-science, and bad history to promote dangerous ideas. Furthermore you’ve created the great sin of uncritical thinking. Maybe you just overreached yourself this time. Better luck tomorrow.
Especially the pornography portion. Your opening line is actually laughable. “Amidst the loud angry cries against pornography.” You mean the billion dollar industry? That’s the one thats been horribly repressed?? It alive and thriving today as we all know. So don’t pass yourself as a radical thinker when you’re really just singing the tune of a monstrous industry and stepping in line with prevailing cultural attitude.
From there on you don’t fare much better.
“Interesting Fact: Pornography (and the anti-pornography movement) as it is understood today is a concept of the Victorian era (19th century) which was extremely moralistic. Sexual imagery was not taboo before that time.”
Not true. Could it have something to due with the invention of the photograph at the time which revolutionized the excess pornographic exploitation? There are of course many societies ancient and modern, eastern and eestern which, contrary to your fiction, condemned pornography. In fact its a Greek word to begin with (that might give you a hint). Some of course didn’t. But lets not be dishonest.
Try to be more precise, though I understand how the pressures of this daily chore would result in these crimes of commission or omission.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
ya know, I was just thinking. Cocaine is a natural substance too. Comes from the coca plant. Coca Cola still has cocaine in it, they have just removed the part that gets you high. That could really open up a new debate.
Famous people that have or do use weed:
(compiled from the internets)
[Ridiculously long list deleted - post a URL]
September 24th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
jfrater, if you ever need to know what wine goes with what (you’re having a huge, important do), just ask. I can find out in minutes!
September 24th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
segue: thanks! I will do that!
Shawn: I take umbrage at your assertions. The sources are all there – read them. There is scientific evidence that these things can have a positive impact. In stating so I am not denying their negative impacts. Would you prefer that we ignore scientific studies unless you approve of them?
September 24th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
#168 ciunas:
Chill, dude, I was kidding. It’s just a little device of mine I like to call ’sarcasm.’ No need to hate.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
I knew there was a good reason for my pornography…
September 24th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Love the list… or maybe it was all the comments and also the controversy.
WOW! It was fun reading, tho. Kudos to your comments to nic. Nic was annoying!
September 24th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Some of you guys need to chillax. This list just goes to show you that there is bad AND good in some things.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
statistics are essentially meaningless. My uncle was a habitual pack a day smoker and he died from lung cancer at the age of 64. At the same time, his father and my grandfather was also a pack a day smoker and he lived to the age of 93, eventually succumbing to leukmeia. A close friend of mine was a professional dancer, the fittest person I ever knew, who did not touch any of the things on this list and certainly never smoked. He died from lung cancer at the age of 26. You don’t know whats around the corner, so why not enjoy the simple pleasures life has to offer.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
I am appalled that you would actually consider posting this list. I have watched my grandfather die slowly from lung cancer for four years now. My parents are in debt because of the hospital bills, and he hardly even has the energy to breath. All because he wanted a little “therapeutic” effect. He is also had Alzheimer’s for 5 years, and cannot even realize that his wife has been dead for 10 years. Your lists aren’t based in fact. And I damn well hope no one takes you seriously.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
……: I am sorry to hear about your grandfather. Nevertheless, that doesn’t negate the veracity of this list. You can read the sources if you like – they are all listed.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
I read just one of the articles at random, and it was the one about how smoking reduces the risks of the Kaposi cancer. Here are a few of the quotes:
“’We know that cigarette smoking kills thousands of people a year,’ said Hong, who is also president of the American Association for Cancer Research, which sponsored the meeting at which Goedert spoke. ‘The study on Kaposi’s sarcoma involves a very few patients with a very rare disease, so it is not possible to draw any meaningful conclusions from this work.’” –the study only involved 50 people!! as a science major I can’t even believe this article was published! The study only has a handful of people! You can’t justify ANY results with such a small population sample!
Classical Kaposi’s sarcoma is a skin disease that typically develops in the legs of elderly men — over age 70 — who live in southern Italy, Greece, Israel and other areas of the Mediterranean, said Goedert.
What you should have done, was had a disclaimer, or show in a way the cons of these same things.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Ah. Those studies… I’ve no real dog in the fight here other than some abstract academic ideals which I value. Just to quickly address your rebuttal:
1) I’m not sure if you know much about academic research. Anyone can publish a study. Further complicating things is money. Who sponsors which studies and so on (hint: the pornographers have the money). So there’s certain guidelines usually exercised to ensure some measure of objectivity. The studies (I’ve only checked out the porn ones)do not meet that measure. They are “pop-science” from sketchy internet sources i.e I could never site them in a serious argument.
2)Even one of the studies you gave us admitted: “Indeed, studies by others show that exposure to X-rated material makes both men and women less satisfied with their partners, less supportive of marriage, more interested in emotionless sex, and more accepting of female servitude.”
3) The points I specifically addressed were not supported by any studies (pop-science) that you linked.
I understand what you are providing here. I enjoy reading them, that’s why I’m here. Many of your lists are entirely subjective. You excel there. This one is not. Or at least it doesn’t claim to be. I’m not expecting perfection, but today I just felt like ensuring a little dose of correctness.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
……: no. I do not need to put a disclaimer or list the cons on a list to suit you or anyone else. This is my website and I can write what I like. If you don’t like it – write a list of the top 10 reasons the things on this list are bad for you no matter what benefits they may have and I will consider publishing it. But please don’t tell me how to write my lists.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Well now that I know it’s good, I’ve got some shopping to do. Anyone know any good dealers?
September 24th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
antmansbigxmas: aside from the cannabis, all of the things on this list are legal and available at most malls – you don’t need a dealer for that
September 24th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
I have enjoyed your lists for a year. I am not telling you how to run your website, I think you do a wonderful job. I don’t understand why on some lists that you think might be inappropriate, you place disclaimers, but for this list you would not. People could assume your sources are credible and take your word for it, when what your saying is really one sentence in the entire publication. Someone might be searching, and have Listverse come up and not know anything about your website or you. And they may take your opinions as the truth.
I check Listverse every day, I’m a huge fan. I think you normally have extremely interesting suggestions. I’m simply disappointed with this particular list, because I am afraid that this list might do more harm than good.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Theres is absolutely nothing wrong with this list. People do not come to this great site for advice or anything, this site is for entertainment. The kind of people who need to be told this are the same kind of people who need McDonalds to tell them their coffee is hot. Keep up the good work Jfrater
September 24th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
……: do you seriously believe someone is going to read the section on cigarettes and think they should then take it up? I don’t believe anyone is that stupid. We all know the effects of smoking on health – I am just pointing out that it has been shown to lower certain disease risks. Putting a disclaimer on a list of this nature is like putting the following on a food mincer: “placing hands in blades when running will cause loss of fingers”. It is inane and unnecessary.
malfore: Thanks
September 24th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Studies does show that there are benefits from occasional smoking. I’ve actually attended conventions regarding this topic. But of course, no doctor will advice you to start smoking. And the conventions i have attended are geared towards helping patient in smoking cessation.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
i can’t argue with the ice cream thing. it made me happy and guilt free eating ice cream.
I actually lose some weight when i started eating ice cream in the afternoon in place of carbo.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Research can twist facts in many ways…
recently a bloke came up with a paper sayin that bycling would cause environmental damage in the long run….
can u imagine that?
http://ecoworldly.com/2008/06/16/can-bicycling-really-damage-the-enviroment/
September 24th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
This is meant to be a fun list! Most of us are guilty of one of these vises and realize that it’s not the best thing in the world for us. I think this list is just saying there are jpros and cons to everything. I got it and enjoyed the list.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
re:187…
Wow! It’s a good thing I read that it would be stupid if I took up smoking again, and just in the nick of time!
I wouldn’t have known otherwise being as there isn’t a disclaimer anywhere… duh.
Don’t worry about people like “……” There will always be the hall-moniters of the world who feel the need to point out the obvious, “for our own good”.
Thanks for saving me anon, but if it’s my fate to die off due to my own stupidity… so be it, and all the better the world will be after us dummies are gone.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
I read so much about the dangers of drinking alcohol that I decided to quit reading.
(Just joking.)
September 24th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Lynn- Amen.
The fact that there is controversy on a list like this is just…insane! With so much trouble in the world, why get worked up about if theres a disclaimer aboutsmoking and drinking on an entertainment site.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
…… – c’mon if a list on a website is going to screw up peoples lives, becuase of no disclaimer, then..I’m not going to bother. Don’t be a prude. Theres always one isn’
t there. BTW I must be the healthiest muthafucka on the planet!
September 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
This reminds me of a recent trip I took to town – I was at a 21st. Afterwards I was walking with friends through the city sharing a bottle of wine and some guy 5 years my junior said “do you know this is a liquor free zone?” – he was very quickly told to “fuck up and fuck off” which he did. But people need to take a stand against the nannies in society who wish their morals to be pushed on others.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
some things i can agree with. others i can disagree with. like somking. nicotine might be good but smoking just cant be.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
After giving this list a lot of thought, I’ve decided to start smoking. My smoker mates tell me that they smoking is an excellent way to lose weight, too, which is why so many supermodels smoke.
Thanks for this fantastic list!
September 24th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Uhhhh… don’t believe for a moment that just because some of these have a couple of good effects that they’re actually GOOD for you. Wow.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
As someone who is studying to be a librarian and has worked in both public and academic libraries for four years, I must interject that people tend to be lazy and do not perform adequate research. Let’s say that 15 year old Billy wants to know more about smoking; maybe his friends are smoking and coercing him to do the same. His teachers tell him it’s bad, but everyone knows that teachers are totally lame. So, Billy decides to research it himself the best way he knows how: Google. The first link that comes up is Joe Schmoe’s list of things that are surprisingly good for you and with a heading that reads, “Here are ten things that people tell you are bad but actually have healthy aspects to them. In the future when someone whines at you – you can point them in the direction of this list and have the last laugh!,” why shouldn’t Billy trust it?
Is Joe Schmoe a doctor? Probably not. But he has sources- from the 1980s, 1990s, and the latest one from 2001. This is good enough for Billy and he goes out to light up with his friends.
If you think people are “stupid” enough to believe your lists, you’re right. And in my experience as a researcher, it’s going to be pre-teens and young adults who abuse your opinion. And as for your sources? Completely outdated and irrelevant. Studies are being published daily that contradict each other and I’m sure that there are more recently published articles to negate the ones you cited.
But it is your website and you have the right to publish what you want. And I have the right (granted by you) to comment on what you write. So you keep writing jfrater as I exercise my right to not visit your website ever again. You just lost a big fan, but I’m sure it’s no skin off your back.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
To Nic: Praise God, for you have not denied Him in spite of many people who ridiculed you.
To everyone else who is humble enough to listen;
Here is my reason for writing this.
(Whether you believe it or not)
Ezekiel 3:18-20 (New King James Version)
“When I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; BUT HIS BLOOD I WILL REQUIRE AT YOUR HAND. Yet, if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.”
Here is what I want to add:
Ecclesiastes 11:9-10 (NKJV)
“Seek God in Early Life
Rejoice, O young man, in your youth,
And let your heart cheer you in the days of your youth;
Walk in the ways of your heart,
And in the sight of your eyes;
BUT KNOW THAT FOR ALL THESE,
GOD WILL BRING YOU INTO JUDGEMENT
Therefore remove sorrow from your heart,
And put away evil from your flesh
For childhood and youth are vanity.”
For us sinners..
Isaiah 5:20-22
“Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!
Woe to men mighty at drinking wine,
Woe to men valiant for mixing intoxicating drink
(…)So their root will be as rottenness,
And their blossom will ascend like dust;
Because they have rejected the law of the LORD of hosts”
But there’s hope:
Jeremiah 29:11-14 (New King James Version)
“For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.”
-With Love.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
To 148. jfrater :
The Greek word “oinos”, which is translated “wine” may be either fermented or unfermented, depending on the context.
But since alcoholic drink is categorically condemned in Proverbs 20:1 and 23:29-32, it is inconceivable that the New testament church leaders would condone it.
There is nothing in Paul’s counsel to Timothy to indicate that this “little wine” was fermented. Since Timothy had an apparent problem o digestion and also other infirmities, the recommended use of grape juice might well have been an effective dietary supplement. The bible writers also recommend the unfermented grape juice as a blessing to the body.
“Thus saith the Lord, As the new wine is found in the cluster,and one saith, Destroy it not, for a blessing is in it” (Isaiah 65:8)
The kind o wine that is “in the cluster”
is nonalcoholic. Some authorities today urge the drinking of grape juice based on its rapid therapeutic ingestion into the system.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Dear lord…and I use that phrase only as an expression, you people should be ashamed of yourselves. This man has spent his time, energy, and money to create this webpage to share his opinions, thoughts, and ideas to us, and because you disagree with a list, you threaten to leave the site?! This site is made for ENTERTAINMENT, and it has DELIVERED CONSISTANTLY
Goodgolly- The above is aimed mostly at you
WithLove- I’m all for freedom of religion, but posting long bible verses unrelated to the conversation is not only annoying, but unnessesary.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
I just wanna know what rubber globes are and why i should put them down for dirt?
September 24th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
the bible also said “thou shalt not layeth with a donkey, nor any beast.” I rest my case.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
*edit of above* with further reading of your post withlove, I apologize, it is relevant and well thought out.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
With LoVe ^.^: that simply is not the case. Take this quote of Romans 14:21
καλὸν τὸ μὴ φαγεῖν κρέα μηδὲ πιεῖν οἶνον μηδὲ ἐν ᾧ ὁ ἀδελφός σου προσκόπτει.
Again we see “oinon” as a reference to alcoholic wine. Translated it means:
“It is good not to eat flesh, and not to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother is offended, or scandalized, or made weak. ”
When does grape juice make us weak? When it is fermented. This is the biblical aclamation against being drunk – but not against drinking wine which is most definitely acceptable according to the Bible. The Jews drank wine in their festivals, as did Christ (who participated in these festivals).
Still not convinced? Ephesians 5:18:
“And be not drunk with wine, wherein is luxury; but be ye filled with the holy Spirit,”
καὶ μὴ μεθύσκεσθε οἴνῳ, ἐν ᾧ ἐστιν ἀσωτία, ἀλλὰ πληροῦσθε ἐν πνεύματι,
me methuskesthe oinos (in bold above) means “be not drunk with wine” – again, how do you get drunk on grape juice? You ferment it in to wine. Again confirming that you shouldn’t be drunk – but not saying you shouldn’t DRINK wine.
Furthermore, I have not been able to find a Biblical lexicon that says that “oinos” means unfermented grape-juice – all of the ones I find say it either means “wine” or “[metaphorical] the fiery wine wrath of God”.
Even Strong’s lexicon – which I am sure you appreciate is a very highly regarded lexicon amongst protestants (the only group of “Christians” who claim that wine is immoral), gives us this:
3631. oinos oy’-nos a primary word (or perhaps of Hebrew origin (3196)); “wine” (literally or figuratively):–wine.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Oh – further to my last comment – you might have a translational problem – this is what Isaiah 65:8 says:
“Thus saith the Lord: As if a grain be found in a cluster, and it be said: Destroy it not, because it is a blessing: so will I do for the sake of my servants, that I may not destroy the whole.”
September 24th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
To: 166. xdark_horsex -
First of all, the verse you mentioned in Gen 1:29 is BEFORE the fall. You have to read it in context. Meaning it was perfect. No sin, no pollution, no degradation, no thorns,no thistles, no waste…!
“Cannabis” or “weed” is not meant to be smoked.
1) It pollutes your body and your environment.
2) Not included in “food”. Smoking weed is not “food”.
1 Timothy 4:4 (NKJV)
“For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;”
Didn’t say good for “food”.
And pls. read on ’til verse 5.
“… for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.”
The Word of God must approve it as proper diet (Read Leviticus 11:2-20), and then prayer of thanksgiving will sanctify it to be eaten.
God will not let you harm your body (which is His temple)
(2 Corinthians 6:16).
“Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.” 1 Corinthians 10:31
I don’t think it will give Him glory when we saturate our body with harmful junks and drinks, knowing that its His temple.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
To: 207. jfrater
Although the fermented and unfermented wines are translated from the same original word, the biblical context establishes that no alcoholic drink is approved in God’s Word. Jesus certainly would not go contrary to the Old Testament Scriptures which specifically forbade fermented wine.
(Proverbs 20:1) NKJV
“Wine is a mocker,Strong drink is a brawler,
And whoever is led astray by it is not wise.”
(Proverbs 23:29-32) NKJV
“Who has woe?
Who has sorrow?
Who has contentions?
Who has complaints?
Who has wounds without cause?
Who has redness of eyes?
Those who linger long at the wine,
Those who go in search of mixed wine.
Do not look on the wine when it is red,
When it sparkles in the cup,
When it swirls around smoothly;
At the last it bites like a serpent,
And stings like a viper.”
Theses texts indisputably condemn the use of alcoholic
beverage. Would Christ disobey the scriptures? It is unconceivable.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
To: 208. jfrater
What translation are you exactly using?
I’d go with either King James or New King James.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
I haven’t commented on this site in a while because I was doing internet ‘research’ on the effects of pornography.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
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September 24th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Jamie, your Greek is showing incorrectly in my browser, but that might be because I’m using a Korean version.
I agreed with someone in another discussion that many people use religion to control others.
Oi, you lot. If anyone breaks one command of the scriptures, he stands condemned under the whole of the scriptures. Have you ever, for example, called someone “you fool” (or words to that effect), have you ever been angry with someone without cause, have you ever looked at a woman with lust? If yes to any of the above (or any other law in the bible), you stand condemned as a sinner, so shut the [ - - - ] up.
Jamie is not telling you or anyone else what to do. He is presenting information that you can take or leave. You are telling Jamie what to do. Don’t.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Bucslim: Do you want to share the results of your research?
September 24th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
First, I haven’t read every single comment. There’s a bunch.
Second, I completely understand what Nic is saying, and it’s also completely understandable why someone would completely abstain from things like caffeine and cigs and porn. But, unless the language that the bible was written in, I don’t think arguing about the exact wording is a good thing.
I was taught that the commandment, as originally written is ‘thou shalt not MURDER’ which is very different from not killing. If someone is going to take your life, you can kill them. (there’s a whole bunch of other specifics that I can’t quite remember right now…)
And us Jews drink the wine at least twice a week
Third, I had no idea New York had so many vineyards!!
I worked in a cafe that only sold wine from the Hudson Valley. It really shocked me to see so wineries that I never knew about, in my own back yard. I wish I was able to comment on the quality, but it seems like wine gives me migraines, so I don’t even bother.
September 25th, 2008 at 1:27 am
I haven’t commented on this site in a while because I was doing internet ‘research’ on the effects of pornography.
bucslim – I take it that no animals were harmed during the course of your research?
And, by the way…if that cute little lamb that “co-starred” in the movie “Kiwis Love Mutton” mentioned my name…she’s a goddam liar!
September 25th, 2008 at 1:40 am
I thought Jamie had banned any mention of New Zullanders and sheep in the same sentence! Or are they allowed to mention it themselves?
September 25th, 2008 at 1:41 am
jfrater: I presume that the liquor free zone has been declared by a government office of some sort, and that there’s a penalty attached to drinking there. If the man who told you that had been an officer of the relevent government office, would you have replied in the same way?
September 25th, 2008 at 1:44 am
Afterwards I was walking with friends through the city sharing a bottle of wine and some guy 5 years my junior said “do you know this is a liquor free zone?” – he was very quickly told to “fuck up and fuck off” which he did.
jfrater – you been tormenting those poor peeps at the Alcoholics Anonymous Centre again ??
September 25th, 2008 at 1:51 am
“thou shalt not layeth with a donkey, nor any beast.”
bucslim – see…I told you it said “layeth” and not “playeth”. Boy…now you’re in trouble!
September 25th, 2008 at 1:54 am
I thought Jamie had banned any mention of New Zullanders and sheep
astraya – that rule doesn’t apply in the case of one’s “personal” sheep…
September 25th, 2008 at 1:54 am
kiwiboi: hahaha
astraya: no – I would have asked him why he wasn’t catching murderers instead of annoying people on the street drinking in a city causing no mischief. Something I did last time I was in NZ on holiday. The cops didn’t like it but it isn’t illegal so what can they do?
September 25th, 2008 at 2:04 am
Some of these are things I’ve been telling people all along. Except for smoking, all I’ve been able to tell people about smoking is “get off my back this is America and I can do what I want.”
September 25th, 2008 at 2:59 am
Great list…for sinners
I really like the top four…alas quit smoking about 2 years back after having been its slave for 15 years.
September 25th, 2008 at 3:37 am
A study has shown that by driving 110 miles per hour (176 kph) you can relieve harmful stress and sharpen your acuity skills.
(However, the $200.00 speeding ticket really sucked.)
September 25th, 2008 at 5:22 am
jf and kb: LOL
jf: Your Greek shows correctly on my browser at home.
kb: Was she “mutton” or “mutton dressed as lamb” or “a little lamb” (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more!)?
September 25th, 2008 at 5:31 am
astraya – you should be thankful she wasn’t ewe
September 25th, 2008 at 5:32 am
Great list, JF. I totally support you in posting it- ijn my opinion anyone who is going to be offended by a list like this is a little too whiny and ‘poor me’. Nobody is saying to get addicted to any of these things; in fact they are all pretty similiar to salt; we need small amounts of it to be healthy, but if we take too much, it is a poison and will kill us.
As for the bible-jockeys providing ‘absolute proof’ of their stance with passages of scripture.. anyone with an IQ that isn’t in the double digits can take a plain look at the literal wording of what they are providing and easily see that they are trying to impose their interperetation on everyone, and need to proclaim it as absolu8te truth because of their own insecurity.
I think this is a great list because it fosters discussion and challenges preconcieved notions of dichotomous ‘good/bad’ labels on everything (You can thank Christianity for that mental poison) and make us consider that things can be both good and bad at the same time.
And if they can, so can people, and maybe we can build another stepping stone towards eliminating the ignorant and neanderthalic superstition of ‘evil’.
September 25th, 2008 at 5:37 am
“with love,” & jfrater:
As a former ancient historian, and knowing a thing or two about ancient Greek (I have more fun with modern Greek, actually… shhh, don’t tell) I must chime in here and back up Jamie. It was always my understanding that oinos meant wine, period. Fermented, alcoholic, wonderful wine. I actually don’t know where this “unfermented” bit is coming from—but I will hazard a guess that it arises from an old confusion over a *Hebrew* word in the OT—-the word itself escapes me at the moment (I don’t know the Hebrew even when I do know it, being so goy, as my buddy Mike tells me–as Brooklyn Jewish as they come, Mike… anyway) but at any rate, it was usually translated at “oinos” but in fact was less precise (or more, depending on how you look at it).
At any rate, I would say that any occurence of “oinos” in the NEW T would certainly refer to what we today would think of as wine–’cept for the fact that you often had to water the sludge down and/or spice it up–and that the Greeks liked theirs with a nice pine taste (shiver). Nevertheless, still the fermented, alcoholic stuff.
Folks—the bible rails against ABUSE of things–wine, etc. Not the things themselves. The Bible AND ancient history are *drenched* in wine. (The Egyptians preferred their beer… they were, in a sense, the sodden bucslims of the ancient world).
September 25th, 2008 at 5:38 am
No,i do not happen to be a author.Yeah,i may be i tat paranoid and even if most smokers or alcoholics you know are healthy and jumping that does not mean they would still be the same at 60.
But im not saying you can’t touch any of those things,I agree with many people here that moderation is key.
And how many people would actually bother to find and buy organic ice cream or rather,how many people actually know there’s organic ice cream?
@jfrater
Some people are more ignorant than you think.
September 25th, 2008 at 5:51 am
Shawn:
Having one’s head up one’s ass is no way to go through life son.
Again, I back jfrater up in his statements regarding pornography. Our modern conception of the “wrongness” of porno issues directly from the Victorians. PRIOR to them, sexual images of all kinds, tastes, varieties and weirdness were common (if not always widely disseminated). The Elizabethans, for just one example, were kinky, horny bastards (as were our rationalist forebears from the Age of Reason) and allowed all manner of bawdy, erotic, and scatological material to float around unimpeded.
A glance at Renaissance and Baroque art will also give a hint that the West was always fond of erotic imagery. That it was simultaneously high-falutin’ and visually beautiful didn’t change the fact that it OFTEN had a deeply sexual side, sometimes very dark and steamy.
When you get back to classical civilization, forget it—nobody was more graphic and sexually wild than the Romans and the Greeks. They had porn of all varieties that we would today still consider to be over the top.
There are few cultures–at least in the West–that have made a policy of actively condemning pornography in the manner that the Victorians did. (And even they, as I said earlier, were hugely hypocritical about it—typical of them). In the EAST pornography was also often accepted and even embraced. Japanese art is full of it, as is Indian (remember, these are the guys from whom we get the Kama Sutra).
So come off it, Shawn. When we don’t know what we’re talking about, we shouldn’t open our little mouths.
September 25th, 2008 at 5:53 am
Horrible list…at least for #4 and #2]
No offense personally but whether you know it or not stuff like this is how a lot of people ‘justify’ their drug abuse…”well it’s minutely good for me so I should keep doing it!” I’ve always liked this site but this one just tips the scale especially after seeing several people close to me suffer from drug abuse all the while being convinced that it’s good for them because they find the small, outweighed good that it does.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:07 am
Callie:
“Let’s see…I know that the Cabernet Sauvignon and Shiraz I’ve tried have been my favorites, although I did have a bad Shiraz when I tried to order it on my own once.”
Right, which just goes to show you that, with wine, you can’t go on varietal alone. There can be good Shiraz and bad Shiraz. (Or at least there can be Shiraz that is more harsh and less mellow than other Shiraz). Price is a hint at what might be good, but in the end you gotta taste and remember what was good.
“Unfortunately, all have been by the glass in and I don’t recall the names/years. They all priced from $7-$12 a glass.”
Price by the glass won’t tell you too much, as restaurants and bars will vastly inflate the cost by the glass. I’ve had great wine that was about that price per glass and shitty wine that went for the same. Clearly the latter was hyperinflated (price per bottle being maybe $20 or less).
Don’t worry too much about years. A real wine nut will focus on that, sure, but I never have. There’s so many variables and so much you have to know about this year as opposed to that year, it’s just not worth it. BUT, in one regard year matters.
Some cheap wines are good… nothing wrong with them… but they’re made to be drunk YOUNG, and shouldn’t be thought of as needing “aging.” Aging, in fact, can simply turn them to cruddy vinegar. If you find a cheap wine you like, it’ll likely be all of three years old, if that. If you like it, drink it. And when you buy it, don’t look for it to be older than that. Just buy it and imbibe. That cheap wine will never get better with age. It isn’t meant to.
On the other hand, higher-class, heavier-weight wines will sometimes require a little aging to get them to the mellow stage where they’re good. Drink those wines too early and you’ll find them harsh and even acidic. Let them stew for a while and they become ambrosia. But here we’re talking about heavy-weight wines that are expensive. It takes some savvy to know which of these you’ll like and you may have to part with some cash until you stumble upon the right ones.
If you’re really interested in this, seek out a good wine book that can give you more specifics on it. The best rule of thumb to remember, though, is that if a wine merchant tells you to let a wine age a bit, do so. But if it’s cheap and fairly new, drink it now.
“I hated all variaties of Chianti and Bordeaux I’ve tried, but again can’t recall names or years. They were in the same price range though.”
These can be tricky. I like *good* Chiantis, but bad ones can be very harsh. Bordeauxs are not consistent, as it really refers to the region (and the mix of grapes) and not a variety. I love some Bordeauxs, but it took me time to find ones that I could rely on that didn’t cost an arm and a leg. That’s the trouble—if you want to spend $30 – $50 a bottle on a Bordeaux, it’ll almost certainly be great. But whose got that to blow? But if you spend $15 on a Bordeaux, it might not be as good. Merlot is very popular, yes, but popularity also helps in producing more tasteful wines… if there’s a lot to choose from out there, it’s easier to find good stuff at lower prices.
“As a p.s. I’m a brunette too, and I think I’m not bad to look at but I’m guessing we would agree on absolutely nothing in life..”
Oh? Why is that, because you’re politically right wing?
Maybe you’ll grow out of that in time. I did.
“although maybe you could show me some wine. This seems to be safe for us”
Good bet. Fine, I’ll take you on a wine tour.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:10 am
Randall, mostly: I went to a museum in Korea and took a picture of what may for short be called an amphora, with terracotta figures molded to it. One pair of figures looked for all the world like rear entry sex. When I got back to work I showed the photo to a colleague with a similar sense of humour. He said, very loudly, “Oh, Anal Sex!”. Right at that moment, our straightest-laced colleague walked in.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:11 am
Cedestra;
“Sorry, I was in a mood to tease/flirt.”
Why say sorry? It’s my favorite thing.
“And, no, sorry, no pictures. You show me yours first.”
We’ll see.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:19 am
Astraya:
Man, museums in Korea… the lengths some people will go to to find sleaze.
Just joking of course… seriously, it’s quite likely, of course, that a depiction of anal sex was exactly what you were looking at. As I said (and you probably know, being there) much of the East was open to porn and presented graphic depictions of the erotic and even downright weird.
We just don’t understand in our modern, western world that sex was simply NOT viewed by the ancients in the same way we view it, even today.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:21 am
I’m teaching English in Korea, as you well know, but I add for the sake of newcomers. Previously, I lived in Sydney, which has large amounts of mostly very unimaginative sleaze. Korea was comparatively prudish, at least in the Joseon era (1391-1910). That particular museum was in Gyeongju, which was the capital of the Shilla dynasty (57 BC – 918 AD, one of three kingdoms 57 BC – 668 AD, top dog 668 – 918). I suspect they were less uptight. Another item in the museum is a 14-sided dice for use in a drinking game. I jotted down the instructions:
Sing and drink
Sing [title of a song] x 2
Disregard an assault and remain calm and passive
Remain immobile while someone tickles your face
If you are stuck with two cups of liquer [sic], pour them out and return them
Drink it up and laugh loudly
Ask anyone to sing
Let them strike your nose
Recite a poem
Drink it up with arms bent
Dance silently
Never abandon your unpleasant partner
Drink three cups of liquor at a stretch
September 25th, 2008 at 6:37 am
Daily, hourly, sometimes by the minute, I see jackasses who refuse to “own it”. I work in the service industry- guess how many people blame missing their appointments on us, even when we’ve told them three times when their appointment is and handed them a piece of paper? Those people will always be here. They will come to listverse, read this list, and blame Jamie for getting them addicted to cigarettes or beer or porn. Please, just own it! You made a mistake, you’re continuing to make mistakes, OWN IT!!! Don’t blame others! Deal with it!
233. foohy: The small outweighing the good, I’m sure, was because of the high, not because it helped them deal with glaucoma. For you and anyone else upset that Jamie published this list, you didn’t have to read it. No one has to read it. No one who isn’t an idiot believes that the good outweighs the bad. I’ve never smoked cigarettes in my life, but I’m not going to start just so any surgeries I have later in life will be easier. That’s just stupid.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:46 am
Nic -
Porn doesn’t automatically mean you are lusting after women/men. People like me get off on the act, not the person in it. Never once in my life have I seen porn and “lusted” after the people in it. I have a husband for that. Don’t generalize everybody according to what a single book says.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:51 am
JF #196 – Ah, I needed a laugh this morning! That sounds exactly like what I’ve done on numerous occasions. Please, by all means, keep doing what you’re doing, and never let the thought police (as we call them here) steal your power.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:52 am
@ 200
Right. Most kids do “research” on smoking before they do it. Have you ever talked to an underaged smoker in your life? They don’t research, they just do it or they don’t. You sound like a bloody outdated propaganda film.
September 25th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Still no word from bucslim about the findings of his “research”? Jerk!
September 25th, 2008 at 7:11 am
249:”And if they can, so can people, and maybe we can build another stepping stone towards eliminating the ignorant and neanderthalic superstition of ‘evil’.”
your not a rebel because you smoke and drink. you are not more evolved and open-minded because you want to harm your body. don’t think that because someone DOESN’T want to do something and actually gives a damn about other people’s lives, that they are “ignorant and neanderthalic.” They simply probably have seen more than you the bad effects of these “things that are surprisingly good for you” and don’t want others to succumb to this same fate.
September 25th, 2008 at 7:12 am
i quoted 229 not 249
September 25th, 2008 at 7:13 am
I don’t think of Listverse outside of the computer or my working hours really, but I stopped to get gas and a water on my way home from work yesterday and my old brand of cigarettes were on sale- buy one get one free.
I’m dating a coworker on the sly (shhhhhhh) and he was with me and saw me staring wistfully behind the counter and all the benefits of smoking popped into my head. He just looked at me funny when I tried to use them to justify me buying a pack..he’s very anti-smoke.
“even if all those are true it’s still not good”, he said. Well…true enough. Jamie, I take back my original statement about being disappointed in this list. People are going to do what they’re going to do no matter what, at least this way they can feel a little better about it- after all, current and former smokers, are you not reminded at LEAST once a day when you light up that it’s bad for you? Gets kind of old.
On the plus side (for me) that’s officially 11 weeks without a smoke.
Randall:
If it’s truely good wine, I’d spend money on it. I’d rather do that and love it than blow through 5 $20 bottles that I hate- saves $$$ in the long run.
Sign me up for your tour
September 25th, 2008 at 7:16 am
242. Dani- Good point. Sad what “librarians” these days think our youth is doing.
September 25th, 2008 at 7:49 am
All my favourite things on one list, I love it.
September 25th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Wow, that was a great eye opening list. I’ve been to all that except the cannabis which dropped 40 years back, but still on the right track and a chance to reach a hundred.
more power to Jamie Frater.
September 25th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Other than the tobacco, it all seems legit…in moderation of course. Awesome list!!!
September 25th, 2008 at 8:46 am
I think I’ll start up all my old vices (most of which are on this list) on my 90th birthday… if they are good for me I’ll live longer and if they’re not I’ll die happy.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:47 am
First I gotta respond to Jamie’s comment at #187: I started cracking up at that, because I own a Jet Ski, which on the back has a warning sticker that says “Putting your hand into the jet intake or rear nozzle with the engine running can cause severe injury.” I’m sure the reason it’s there is because they were sued by some idiot who thought it’d be a good idea to stick their hand in there! Do we have a list already of ridiculous warning labels?
As far as the wine/grape juice in the bible, those who are quoting verses to “prove” that “wine=bad,” it seems to me those quotes indicate that drunkenness is bad, not that wine in itself is bad. As Randall said, the Bible is warning against ABUSE of things. I drink wine quite regularly without getting drunk. And if God doesn’t want us drinking wine, what about the whole last supper with the bread & the wine & the body & the blood?
September 25th, 2008 at 9:59 am
To Dani and Cedestra: Oh yes, what a sad librarian I am. Listen, I’m not a decrepit middle aged woman; I’m 22, pretty darn smart, and really good at what I do, despite what you may think. And I know plenty of under age smokers and I know they don’t give a damn about what smoking can do to them. I am not going to argue my point again; as someone studying to be a librarian for young adults I know that they are lazy and will not step into a library if they can find what they believe to be good enough sources through google. And the sources for the smoking argument on this website are outdated.
anyways, I’m done here. attack me all you want, but you’ll be wasting your time. I’m being admitted into the hospital for eternal bleeding today, and by the time I’m out listverse will have created more lists, more controversies, etc., etc. and my minute comments will have been forgotten.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Oh, and for Randall, I can say I’ve been drinking lots from Clos du Bois this summer, they have a great Chardonnay that has just the right blend of oak & fruit. They also have a nice Sauvignon Blanc. For daily drinking I often get wine from Barefoot, since their reds are like $7 a bottle! They are from California, but I think they use a blend of grapes from all over the state, rather than a specific area.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:43 am
DK:
Yeah, blended wines are often cheaper… and again, some snob types will look down on them, but I don’t. Blends can be nice and tasty. Bring ‘em on.
Thanks for the recommendation… I’ll look for the Clos du Bois.
And by the way… I misspoke the other day… it wasn’t J. Roget… that’s something else… the good French table wine I like is Rene Junot. My mind isn’t what it once was, obviously.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:44 am
“eternal bleedling”?
September 25th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Under beer: what exactly counts as “head disease”? Mental illness? Dandruff? Priapism?
September 25th, 2008 at 11:08 am
i live by this list !!!!
September 25th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Kiwiboi – since I didn’t know what you look like, your secret is safe with me. But on the side, oh my gawd was that hot! Can’t get the bleating out of my head. Take off the mask next time.
September 25th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Randall:I agree about the blends, some of them are very good, and I definitely think that barefoot wines taste more like $15-$20 wines than an under $10:)
I suppose I should also mention Meeker, since my roommate works for them. I don’t know if they can be found in stores at all, but I know you can order from their website. They have only one or two white wines, which she won’t even bother bringing home, but I do like their reds. Prices vary pretty wildly from around $20, up to like $60. I know you said you don’t go for sweet wines, but if interested, their desset wine Fro-zin is awesome served slightly chilled alongside some dark chocolate!
September 25th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
DK(252) – We NEED those ridiculous warning labels to help prevent some of the frivolous law suits that come of some folks’ stupid actions. Of course, we could get around the expense of many of the warning labels in general, and simply go with:
“Warning: Murphy’s law may indicate what you are thinking about doing right now will likely injure or kill you and/or someone and/or something else. Do you REALLY want to continue?”
September 25th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
lotte, I said “All natural ice cream” *NOT* “organic”, and everyone who looks at labels knows that such things exist because they are right next to the other ice cream in the freezer! It doesn’t take more than a few seconds to find which is which.
As far as the contents of the list go, as with most things in life: All things in moderation.
I can’t partake in many of them, but would if I could, did when I was able. I’m pretty careful about what I put into my body. Some things are just off limits; smoking, for example, some additives in foods. Beyond what I know my body reacts badly to, I’m game to try.
A couple of weeks ago, I was making Bok Choy for dinner. I love Bok Choy, I’ve been eating it for decades, yet even while cooking it I was starting to have a strange reaction; my sinuses were clogging, my eyes were stinging, my throat was beginning to get sore.
After a couple of bites, my throat started to close!
Well, we can be pretty sure my reaction wasn’t to the vegetable itself, but likely to something that got on i by accident. Still, no more Bok Choy for me.
Why take chances?
September 25th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
253. goodgolly: You missed the point completely. I was agreeing that kids don’t come into libraries and study smoking, making some judgment based upon the research. I’ve *never* heard of a kid making a call on whether or not to smoke based upon *any* research, in a library or not. They make the call on smoking based upon things like peer pressure, whether their friends are doing it, whether their parent’s smoke, whether their parent’s don’t want them to smoke, etc. NOT because some website said it was okay. You either have no understanding of kids today or you used a poor example.
Oh, and good luck with that ‘eternal bleeding’.
September 25th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Eternal bleeding? Ok… if you can bleed for eternity and never die… please kindly forward yourself to a medical research center so that your ability can be duplicated. Oh, and as for all of those “lazy” kids… please be sure to never allow your children to turn on a computer, or learn how to operate one. That way, they can grow up to be just as ignorant, condescending, and intellectually snobbish as you – despite the fact that their sources of information will be confined to the paper you carry in the libraries.
May Darwin work his ways upon you and your seed, woman.
September 25th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
One good point of living in a free world is you can choose to keep that carrot shoved sideways. Today it would appear that many people have several bunches shoved sideways.
Whether you argue over religion or heath you will never convince your opponent in a public forum, because there is nothing you can say to convince them, and that’s just the bottom line. No fact, no logic, no URL to a great website. If you don’t get it by now you probably won’t get it.
This is why Hitler killed the Jews. This is why Black People in the US are trying to be African and blacks in Africa are trying to be American. Why? Well if you have to ask then you will never know because you missed the point.
Randall types so much – you better stop because a study shows that typing too much on a querty keyboard reduces your life by as much as 45%. If you using azerty keyboards you probably going to die even sooner because more than likely you are French, and you opted to use wine bottles instead of bunches of carrots.
Good list though. I like the fact that ice cream can keep you young, more so than porn will. Did you know if the UN wanted to bring about true lasting world peace, they would hand out free ice cream. WWII could have been prevented if they handed out free ice cream in Germany.
September 25th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Ice cream?
September 25th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
WWII?
September 25th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
This is a great list. I had heard about most of them before, except the smoking, but it’s nice to see them in one place. I heard somewhere that it’s not the nicotine in cigarettes that is harmful, but rather, it’s the ammonia they add to enhance the flavor that makes cigarettes addictive.
September 25th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Wow what a list. It’s good to know our vices arent all bad.
September 25th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
265. Dr Putz…Whether you argue over religion or heath ( the plant or the dead actor?)…Randall types so much – you better stop because a study shows that typing too much on a querty(qwerty) keyboard…
Otherwise, you made *no* sense whatever.
September 25th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Good.
Smoking, weed, porn, caffeine, Chocolate, ice cream and dirt?
Score!
Well, not so much the dirt. But I did use to eat cigarette butts off the street as a baby. And I have a great immune system.
And with the smoking/weed and stuff; I don’t get it. Obviously, if somebody does that, then they know the risks they are taking and are willing to risk that.
Man, I do research on everything I try before I try it,
and I’m only 15.
September 25th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
between the beer, cigarettes and porn, i will never die.
September 25th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I yearn for the day when someone will rail at great length against using false weights in the marketplace on the grounds that the bible teaches against it. I yearn for the day when someone will argue at great length in favour of putting children to death for repeated insolence to their parents on the grounds that the bible commands it.
September 25th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
what i actually mean is organic ice cream,there’re a lot of so called ‘natural’ food products and they sure do not taste natural to me.
And right here in my country,there’re no natural or organic ice cream in the supermarkets.You have to head down to the organic shops to buy one and costs you 4 bucks each and tastes like freezed fruit juice on a stick.Im not sure how many people would actually want to buy that.
@Astraya
I love Korea!Im seriously considering migrating there,but are the people like a little discriminating of foreign people?
September 25th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
CIGARETTES WILL NEVER BE GOOD FOR YOU… and if it is, the negatives DEFINITELY outweigh the benefits… so if you decide to light up and expect to live longer… yeah it doesn’t work that way. Please find help all smokers. You not only hurt yourself but the others around you also.
September 25th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Smoking is exceptionally good for me when I am sitting in the traffic on the way home… never say never, eh Joe??
September 25th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Geez Joe. Chill man. Smoke a biggy or something.
I knew there was a reason why I have eaten, smoked, drink, had, and watched all of these.
September 25th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
I see a fad.
jfrater only answers when you ask for him by name.
Hey jfrater! I wear my nickers on my head!
Put that on your list!
I shouldn’t of said that last part. That was uncalled for.
Surry.
With love from Idaho.
September 25th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
ElenaSFA: That is not true at all! (about me not answering unless you ask for me by name – as for your nickers – that may well be true!)
September 25th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
@Joe: Firstly: Chill out. Secondly: Unless wildly the various figures haven’t clued you in, the negative health impacts of pretty much everything we enjoy in society have been grossly exaggerated, from fast food to tobacco. Thirdly: This is America, I can do whatever I want.
September 25th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
i think people who dont like pot are just ignorant. just my opinion.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Ah! Pot, about time someone bought up a subject i know shit loads about, now, if you want to be properly informed about it, whether it be the prohibition, strains, growing facts etc, i suggest you go to a sight called The Emperors New ClothesL
http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html
i grew up in Nimbin on the east coast of australia, pot is the main sorce of income for the families in the area, so you have to know what your on about.
at the moment i’m compiling a list of the top 10 pot strains by potency, but me thinks Jfrater wont publish it because its all about pot, we’ll see, gonna submit it to him in the next 2 weeks but i dont know how it should be structured.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:40 am
foohy – As a drug user myself i find your comments a bit of foohy, a drug user and a drug abuser are 2 totally different things, the first has a habitual nature in being used to having their drug and if they cant get it its not that bigger deal.(a little like having a beer after work)
the second is what we call a drug hog, a person who has become hooked on a drug because they dont have the mind power to say “no”, there is a fine line between the both, but the individual makes the choice, not the drug.
i have had 2 ex gf’s that were hooked on heroin when i first met them, they didnt have the outward signs of being smackies, they were able (as much as i find it disgusting) to manage their habits with out me knowing for quite some time. Eventually for the both of them it overwhelmed them to such an extent that i had to do the detox with them (ever seen Train Spotting)
what people need to understand is that there are many good things and many bad things about drugs and generally the bad stuff has come about from people who havent been able to handle the dose of what ever it is, whether it be crack, crystal, heroin or pot, actually, thats ironic, no one has ever over dosed from pot because your body will not allow you to because your gross-motor functions start shutting down therefore making it fucking near impossible to pick up the bong.
Opiates were used as the main pain killer for pregnant mums after dope was criminalized, i dont know about you, but i’d rather my mother puff on a joint before she popped me out instead of having a shot of smack, but each to their own i guess.
September 26th, 2008 at 1:51 am
1. Encylcoedia Brittanica’s Rate of Error: 2%
Wikkipedia’s Rate of Error: 3%
I think this study was conducted by the New York times.
Anyway when you consider the fast amount of information on Wikkipedia, their 1% difference in the rate of error is understandable. Wikkipedia IS a good source of infromation, maybe not a for a thesis, but definitely for personal information. No different than reading the encyclopedia. You can always try the Wikkipedia experiment which is to post anything on a popular topic and see how long it stays up.
It is a highly edited source and rather reliable. As it grows in popularity and size it only gets better.
2. Cannabis is great for you
September 26th, 2008 at 6:59 am
As a pot and cigarette smoker, beer and wine drinker, Mountain Dew addict, and avid pornography user, reading this list makes me feel much better about my horrible horrible vices. Yay! Fantastic list!
September 26th, 2008 at 9:53 am
282. CRSN: If jfrater dismisses the list, don’t be too upset. There’s a point where a list becomes too acute on a subject that it doesn’t cover a broad enough crowd and alienates many viewers. I mean, imagine the same list your submitting, only switch marijuana with trees and potency with hardness. Would you want a list about the hardness of trees?
September 26th, 2008 at 10:51 am
To Sofar and ElenaSFA,
I am calm xD I’m just trying to emphasize some stuff… I just think I lost too many people in my life to smoking. A small little thing can take away someone you love. I just really don’t think its worth it which is why I’m all DON’T SMOKE DON’T SMOKE because it affects everyone around you.
Oh and Sofar, you can do whatever you want in America. But can you do it without going to jail? Can you run around nude, saying you’re a terrorist, hate America, and you’re going to kill Bush, Obama, and McCain while holding a gun and telling little children you love them?
September 26th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Hey Recluse(268), it’s the nicotine that’s addictive, not the ammonia. The ammonia may increase the levels of freebase nicotine that your body can absorb, but the ammonia itself is not addictive, and is actually toxic if taken in high enough doses. Luckily for us humans, small quantities are no problem, and can even be beneficial; nice, because it’s even in the air we breath…
September 26th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
If you were to smoke organic tobacco, as in grow it yourself, or get it from a reserve, you would experience next to no harmful side effects. The indigenous peoples of North America smoked it long before our society and still do- have you seen the difference in cancer rates? They use only organic tobacco, nothing else at all, and I have personally known smokers who have done such for decades without any cough, any ill health effects, the ability to still run and jog without any shortness of breath, etc.
The reason cigarettes are bad for you isn’t nicotine or tobacco- it’s the complimentary effects of the added chemicals, what they do to nicotine in your system, and what they do by themselves in your system.
A really simple rule for life is that organic=better 99% of the time.
September 26th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
jfrater: Don’t lie, you’re just bloody mary, and you know it!
September 26th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
283. CRSN, no pregnant woman should use drugs unless under Doctors orders and observation. The possible harm to the baby is just too high, and too extreme.
Opiates do have their uses, though. I alternate 6 months of Morphine with 6 months of Oxycontin, in really large doses. It’s medically required, of course, I’d never choose to do this, but without these drugs the only alternative would be suicide; that’s how bad the pain is…and it will only get worse.
At least I get to take pills, not shoot up. That’s a blessing, though a small one.
I honestly can’t imagine why anyone would use these drugs for “fun”.
September 26th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
@Joe: Excellent analogy. If I go around doing stuff that annoys wusses with sensitive throats and a powerful urge to prove they’re better than everyone else soon I’ll be running naked through the streets.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
lotte 274: Which country are you from, and what would you do in Korea? As far as I know, anyone can come to Korea as a tourist (some countries need a visa, others (most major countries) don’t), but to migrate here you need to have a job or marriage offer already.
Many foreigners living in Korea are teachers (at whatever level), scientists, researchers, business people and diplomats, and also factory workers, agricultural and building laborers and wives. Apart from the wives, most others are here for a temporary time, then they go home. I don’t know how many foreigners migrate permanently to Korea.
How did you become interested in Korea? Did you know that your name is the same as a major corporation in Korea, that runs department stores, discount marts and a major amusement park? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotte_World
September 26th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
lol,yeah i know my nick is the same is that corporation.It’s also short for charlotte.Im from Singapore btw.
I became interested in korea when i started to watch their dramas and learned more about their culture.And most importantly,i love their Kimchi!i wanna work there perhaps in the business industry or as a researcher or maybe i can be a english teacher too!
And how did u get posted there as a teacher and do u speak korean?
September 28th, 2008 at 12:38 am
i appreciate the cliff notes
September 28th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
lotte: The Korean government gives visas for teaching English only to those from one of 7 countries: the UK, Ireland, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, the USA or Canada. Many people from other countries, eg Singapore, just aren’t eligible, no matter how good you are. The only exception is for people from other countries who are married to Koreans, who then qualify for another visa level.
There are any number of job sites for teaching in Korea. Type “teach ESL Korea” into a web search engine and you’ll find as many as you need. I don’t know about other jobs in Korea. I guess that most researchers or business people working in Korea either work for a Korean company overseas, or work for a foreign company which has a branch in Korea, or work for a university or research institute that has links with a similar establishment in Korea. There could be other opportunities.
I didn’t answer your other question, which was “are the people like a little discriminating of foreign people?”. The answer is yes and no. Koreans are unfailingly welcoming, generous and hospitable, but may not actually like you. There is a strong sense that “respectable” professional people (like me, a “white” English teacher) are “acceptable”, but “unrespectable” people eg factory workers, agricultural workers and wives (generally from South-East or Central Asia), aren’t. There’s nothing overt, though – people aren’t physically attacked or socially ostracised. Koreans are basically too polite for that.
If you, as a Singaporean, came to Korea as a professional worker, you would fall uncomfortably between those groups. You may find that people didn’t quite know how to treat you.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:25 am
My friends always refer to vitiman x when their kids food fell on the floor or they find them eating bugs and stuff.
I also noticed parents who clean their kids the whole time and do not allow them to get dirty are more sick then parents who do.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:07 am
I told my misses about the porn and pot, she says you a twat
September 29th, 2008 at 5:57 am
@astraya
Yeah,i should have known…this is the case everywhere-including my country.People can be really mean sometimes.They can be nice towards you only to turn their backs and gossip abt you.Two faced people really hurt my feelings.
But i guess i just have to get used to it…
September 29th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
So I read a lot of the comments, and after reading the list I really didn’t expect the Bible thumpers to bring upon the smack down.
But alas, I suppose wherever there is “lust,” and “drinks-that-make-you-feel-silly,” there will always be those who pounce upon the chance to tell you how to live your life.
For real guys, just jack it a couple times. You’ll feel way better.
I liked the list. =P
September 29th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
I especially like how beer prevents “head disease.” Cheaper than Prozac.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
To Finchy:….And more plentifull than “Know Thy Self”
Now there’s a moto!
September 29th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Cadestra – I was more or less going along the lines of the potency levels of THC in certain strains, over the past decades scientist have said that the potency in some strains has gone up by 28% (*cough*BULLSHIT*cough) which is totally wrong, maybe 4%.
what they dont really look at is the origin of the strain and it’s evolution, eg:
Indica (base strain) comes from Asia and has spread through the northern hemisphere and has mainly different sub species like White Widow and White Rhino and so on.
another good example of a totally different strain is Northern Lights, there are up to 25 different sub species of the N.L strain with each having its own unique features, its a Sativa cross bread with a Skunk and is best suited to the colder climates, especially Canada, hence the name.
i take on what you say, but this can not be compared to a Hardwood or Soft wood tree, when you start grading timber, you dont grade it from the outside whilst it still stands because you have no idea of whats in the middle, it could be totally hollowed out by termites. Also the climate that the tree has grown in is a big factor, you could have 2 Iron Barks (one of Australians hardest timbers) growing 4 kilometers apart and they form internally different (eg: growth rings being thicker in one than the other)
anyway that was a long winded one.
Seague – we dont do it for “fun”, well not me anyway, i do it to escape my head thats going 1000km/h at the end of the day, i have difficulty in separating myself from my job because it’s a 24/7 job, i was once told that “being in your own head for too long can be a dangerous place” for some people its true, and i also dont feel guilty about what i enjoy, as long as i’m doing no harm to society or any individual, i’m happy.
I hope your well Seague
September 30th, 2008 at 3:06 am
@300- But, Panic, if everyone doesn’t unquestioningly follow the orders and decrees the bible monkeys hand out, it might lead to people thinking for themselves! If that happens, then it could lead to people asking for sound logic and reasoning before blindly handing over their free will to an imaginary invisible man in the sky! And if that happens, then people might have to face the cold hard truth that they wasted the majority of their lives as drones in a cult! We can’t have that!
September 30th, 2008 at 9:12 am
303. CRSN, I can understand that answer, but the danger (unless you know what dose is safe for you) is incredibly high! Just be careful, okay?
As for me, good days, and not so good days, but all days are better than no days.
September 30th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Interesting fact: the only part of chocolate that is healthy for you is the cacao (or cocoa if you will). Cacao is ridiculously good for you, unfortunately the amount of chocolate that you would have the eat in order to actually get any health benefits from it would kill you. So you’re better off just eating the raw cacao, which is an acquired taste but goes great with coffee!
September 30th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Segue – Cheers for your thoughts, i know my limits, when dealing with an organic drug like dope it’s damed near impossible to over dose your self unless you ingest it and i dont eat that shit any more, because i come from Nimbin, mull cookies or brownies are easy to come by, so easy in fact that the local hippies bake them up and sell them for between $3 and $5 off card tables at the side of the main street in Nimbin township (the police could give a shit, you arrest one hippie and you’ve got to arrest the town) i eventually got over eating it because they were so sweet a thick with chocolaty dopey goodness, and trust me, the next morning the body stone would make you absolutly useless.
I just smoke cones, and the ability to overdose by smoking it is impossible.
aspyr – Interesting fact: you spelt Cocoa incorrectly, but i’ll forgive you
September 30th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
As a girl who uses/consumes every item on this list, I feel happy knowing it’s actually good for me. Beer, weed, chocolate, coffee… and porn! How heavenly of you to make me feel justified in my actions
October 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Cortisol’s main action is to weaken the immune system.
October 1st, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Mr.Graves-
Haha, of course. What a terrible world it would be if the religious masses were to question their horridly flawed logic.
October 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Brilliant list!
I’m going to go eat chocolate covered ice cream while playing in the dirt after I manage my time schedule in an inconvenient way to induce stress, while I drink a wine-beer-coffee cocktail with my right hand, and holding a cig and a joint in my left hand, ALL IN THE NUDE right away!
October 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm
You know it was inevitable Kase. I had thought of doing the same and I suppose had sort-of fun, trying out different possibilities, but in the end, thought:
“well, this is just plain silly”
and I didn’t press enter and here you are.
So I couldn’t go without, at least, trying to reply, simply out of common courtesy.
October 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pm
kid! relax!
take the ideas that you think will be good for you…
those that you don’t agree with…ignore!
let’s be more tolerant of each other…besides, most of these are just lip service… i think! hehehe
“life’s absurd! be merry! be free!”
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:46 pm
I don’t think it’s a question about whether something’s good for you or not, but more of a question about whether something has good traits. Nothing’s black and white, after all.
As for dirt? When I was a baby I was allergic to absolutely EVERYTHING- like wheat, seafood, milk, nuts, everything. I also had asthma and eczema. Then I started day care-the ultimate germ-and-dirt sharing community. Lo and behold, by the time I turned 3, no allergies. And my asthma and eczema were almost completely gone.
October 4th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
cool doubt ill ever die
October 12th, 2008 at 10:18 am
First time commenter:
The whole ice cream thing reminded me of my college days: I lived on-campus and I was forced to get a meal plan and purchase food at the campus. There wasn’t too much that I could eat, since I have many allergies, with the exception of ice cream. I started eating a pint of Dreyer’s ice cream every day for dinner, and I lost weight like nothing! I told my roommate who didn’t believe me until she tried it, and she visibly lost weight a lot within a week. I really don’t know how to explain it, and it wasn’t like we were limiting ourselves to vanilla ice cream but we ate a whole gambit of flavors. It was the best diet ever.
If anyone has any explanation for this, please let me know. I have heard of a study where women who ate ice cream lost more weight then those who didn’t.
October 27th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
I knew porn was great
October 29th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
excellent list, really brings light to what we focus on :}
November 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pm
I Believe 4,5,6,7 and 9 have to be good for you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 12th, 2008 at 10:13 am
newsflash “Nic,”
the bible is a crock of shit! You should know Mr./Mrs. Know-it-all!
The Egyptians had what is now known as the bible, hundreds of years before our version(s) of the bible came out… all it is, is an influential book
November 12th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Thanks for finally saying it. The bible is a book of morals. It wasn’t written by God. Didn’t the Dead Sea Scrolls pretty much end that debate.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
While the list was interesting and informative, the tobacco entry is completely outrageous. It is simply mind-blowing that people might still think that smoking tobacco, undeniably connected with lung cancer and cardiovascular diseases, has some sort of overall benefit! And while the entry gives minor benefits, it wholly ignores the detrimental effects of smoking, at any consumption rate.
November 14th, 2008 at 11:05 am
DUH.
bithday.
tequila.
MB is a fucking leg END.
i love her as much as Eminem loves lyrically waxing bitCh ass hoes.
homie.
CH!
graphic design is crap.
i should be in class but instead im in bed with MB drinking tequila…you should heed me and do the same
x
p.s.
good time not a long time
November 19th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
The list could contain just about anything, if it is in the right amount. Unfortunately, it doesn’t specify how much of something is still good for you.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Yeah… Nice list. Too bad it’s full of misinformation. For example, ice cream is full of not just high sucrose corn syrup, but high in fat content as well (up to 14%, whereas whole milk is 4% – I used to work in a dairy). It may well be that an equal (by weight) serving of ice cream has fewer calories than cheesecake, but it has more fat and way more sugar. Also, there are several different kinds of sugar in ice cream; Just read the label. Besides, they’re comparing 75 grams (which is less than a single scoop) to a slice of cheesecake! Hey, eat… I don’t care. Just don’t go around telling your friends that ice cream is GOOD for you when it’s full of FAT and SUGAR. By the same argument, donuts are good for you as well… As for the other stuff, wine’s good (in moderation), dirt – fine, porn – fine, chocolate – fine, weed? Weed is good for getting BAKED, it also has the curious side effect of slowing the effects of glaucoma and reducing nausea, nothing else. Anybody who tells you different is trying to sell you something. “But hey!, they’ve been using it for five thousand years…” Yes, and in some form or another they have been using other drugs as well for thousands of years, like; heroin, opium, aspirin, shrooms, hashish, peyote, tobacco, alcohol… That doesn’t mean they knew what they were doing, they just liked to party.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Besides, the human life span back then was only 35 years…
November 25th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
325. Kingofthemonkeylizards: Your information on ice cream is true for cheap ice cream. I rarely buy ice cream, but when I do, I only buy 2 brands, and neither of those contain anything except sugar (sugar, not high fructose corn syrup), cream, and whatever fruit or natural flavor is involved.
Sure, it still has a ton of fat, and sugar isn’t any less calorie rich than the high fructose corn syrup but it tastes better and it is more natural.
Also, if the ice cream is, say peach ice cream, it contains actual peaches, not peach flavoring.
I’ll buy a pint for my husband and myself maybe three or four times a year, so we’re not stuffing ourselves with high-fat foods anyway, but when we do, it’s all natural. It tastes fabulous. Fabulous!
And yeah, you pay for the privilege.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:48 am
where are the sources? this article sucks.
December 16th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Also for red wine:
I’m not sure if it has already been stated, there is a recent study, that red wine can help reduce the risk of lung cancer!
Source:
http://inventorspot.com/articles/if_you_must_smoke_drink_red_wine_21226
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:09 pm
I think that definitely all what was mentioned here is right except smoking, pornography, beer or alcohol.
These things affect body a lot from brain to whole body.
Should have mentioned the disadvantages.
I am sure if you guys search on net, you will find many.
Thanks
Nabeel
December 22nd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Beer can also make your boobs bigger! Hops is an ingredient in many breast-enhancing drugs. But you would have to drink the equivalent of around 30 glasses of really dark beer every day to increase one cup size.
Like most of the points on this list, the benefits may exist, but they are outweighed by the disadvantages most of the time. Like if I drank that much beer a day, I’m sure my boobs would get bigger – but so would the rest of me because I would put on so much weight!
December 30th, 2008 at 8:08 am
hooraaay for number 1.. nature at it’s best!
January 1st, 2009 at 7:28 pm
to nic and the other bible-banger brainwashed fools:
1) the bible is fiction. 2) jesus is a fictional character so who cares what he did or said. 3) churches want your money to support a religion based on fiction. seems a little shady to me.
doesn’t that piss you off?
does it make you angry that your pastors spend YOUR TITHE money on really nice houses and cars (and other worldly things) that they don’t need?
btw: i am very educated on the bible as i went to a private “christian” school for most of my growing up, and then was involved in churches and youth groups for years as an adult as well. finally i realized that almost every christian and pastor are complete hypocrites and….
anyway….don’t take the internets so srsly. chill the fuck out and mind your own business with the preaching…. we don’t come to your church websites and try to get you to smoke weed do we?
to the normal people:
this list rocks!!!! we are all going to die from something someday. do things in moderation, be nice to others and be happy!!!!
/fuck, that was a waste of my time. i’m gonna smoke a bowl and do something creative now!!!!!
-pm5000
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:58 am
thank you…… thank you soooo much. i can finally and difinitively tell my fiance that my smoking habits are beneficial. thank you
January 27th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
smoking’s bad effects outweigh the good
January 27th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
now a days with nailpolish remover and paint thinner added for no other reason other than to just fuck with people. but to own half a dozen tobacco plants, dry it and smoke it out of your own cob pipe…. which is what im sure doctors (being of sound reason and scientificly analytical) had in mine.
and as previously quoted by at least of the comments….. in moderation. of course all of these habits abused have greater downfalls than any benefits otherwised accertained…..
not to be an ass or anything
January 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
this list is convenient as i just started my ice cream, dirt, and porn diet. All whilst drinking beer and smoking cannananabis
January 31st, 2009 at 4:17 pm
“Cannabis” or “weed” is not meant to be smoked.
1) It pollutes your body and your environment.
2) Not included in “food”. Smoking weed is not “food”.
Smoking anything pollutes your body and enviroment.
Secondly marijuana can be consumed and is not very toxic at all. In fact you are at more phyical risk taking a paracetomol or an asprin. Its not uncommon that people die from paracetomol. No one has ever dies from marijuana, or is there any records of physical damage it does. The only physical ‘damage you can possibly do to yourself from marijuana is when your burn it in order to ingest it. On that noter anything you burn is dangerous.
February 7th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Ummm…. Yeah, anything in moderation is fine… Cannabis included… But really? No one knows when to stop… Diabetes, dead brain cells, and liver cancer are not healthy. Also, I am a Christian… but it’s not quite appropriate to be posting verses on this, when you can tell that this man or woman does not believe. We are intended to share our faith… but not like this, you all seem a little pushy…
Scientifically, most of these are WRONG
February 8th, 2009 at 4:57 am
In terms of smoking, what about the hundreds of chemicals mixed in? Its fine to conclude that nicotine is beneficial, but I doubt the floor cleaner and nail polish remover does much for longevity or mortality. That goes for marajuana too, it’s not as though you’re purchasing it from a trusted purist, unless you’re growing it yourself and are aware of what is being thrown in.
February 8th, 2009 at 10:29 am
”In terms of smoking, what about the hundreds of chemicals mixed in? Its fine to conclude that nicotine is beneficial, but I doubt the floor cleaner and nail polish remover does much for longevity or mortality. That goes for marajuana too, it’s not as though you’re purchasing it from a trusted purist, unless you’re growing it yourself and are aware of what is being thrown in.”
Indeed I agree totrally about the pollutants, they are highly dangerous to your health, but that is an entirely different situation we would be talking about.
The actual point behind the statement above is about the benefits of marijuana itsself, and not talking about the actual drug trade. Before the marijuana reaches the drug dealers it is still pure, and that is the substance in question here.
There is no doubt that ‘nail polish remover’ would harm you [although that is highly unlikely and pointless. Dealers put stuff in marijuana to bring up the weight,i don't see how toxix fluids would help anyone] Its not about harming people as everyone is made fearful of, its about the money.,
Anyhow the issue of contamination is another factor and has nothing to do with the point of the paragraph above.
Weed alone, not being smoked, that is pure and without contamination is far from dangerous, and can be extremely beneficial for an array of reasons.
That was the point here.
Its only the people who casually smoke marijuana who are at risk of getting the contaminated stuff, otherwise anyone that actually knows their stuff will have a proper connection that probabaly is not too far from home.
Its when the weed gets into the hands of people shipping it across seas, that they can get away with actually contaminating it.
Pity they don’t just legalise it. It would take the power from the drug dealers, pump loads of money into the economies. It would also highly decrease the risk of contamination.
Another thin i should metion is, that you werre talking about floor cleaner etc being put into crops. This is actually ridiculous. They certainly do not put that stuff in tobacco, and not even weed. The things you are at risk when smoking nicotine are the chemicals they have fed the plant to grow, and the pesticides they sprayed on them for protection. Even eating the stuff would be harmful.
And on that note, you can apply that notion to any mass produced crop,, such as all the food you consume from your local store.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:40 am
I have never been a smoker and never heard anything good about it until I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis nearly a year ago, but then again colitis’ sister disease if you could call it that chron’s risk is increased by smoking. So smoke and get chron’s don’t and get colitis it seems very general statement I know. But really I had doctors telling me that nicotine is good at keeping the disease in remission.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I have never been a smoker and never heard anything good about it until I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis nearly a year ago, but then again colitis’ sister disease if you could call it that chron’s risk is increased by smoking. So smoke and get chron’s don’t and get colitis it seems very general statement I know. But really I had doctors telling me that nicotine is good at keeping the disease in remission.
Great that you have found something that helps .You should try find some other way of ingesting nicotine because in order to geetit from ciggs, you have to deal with all the tar and lung damage on top of it, which will eventually kill you.I hear they are selling new nicotine vaporizers . you should look into it. all the best to you
February 10th, 2009 at 4:15 am
There have been studies conducted here which indicate that there is indeed a percentage of floor cleaner and nail polish remover in cigarettes sold which is why I was referring to that example in the instance of nicotine, NOT marajuana.
Marajuana on the other hand (when consumed orally and not tampered with) is certainly beneficial, but it doesn’t change the fact that it basically fucks up your lungs, regardless of the medicinal benefits.
Or have I got it all wrong here?
February 10th, 2009 at 4:17 am
I also forgot to mention that I’m not arguing about whether it should be legalised and I certainly see the associated benefits on an economic and social scale, as well as health wise.
February 11th, 2009 at 2:02 am
John: I haven’t taken up the habit I was just amazed to see that it is actually true. I’ll think I’ll stick to taking all the right medicines, plenty of rest and relaxation to see how I go. Nicotine still worries me a bit.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:47 am
yeah right, just use pot, smoke, eat plenty of chocolate, drink loads of bear and wine, and peruse plenty of porn sites. You’ll be healthy and your life on the track to a happy long life in no time.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:16 am
bring on the pornography!!!
March 24th, 2009 at 6:55 am
frank burns – hmmm, ever hear of moderation? i think you missed the point.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
the risks of smoking far outweigh the benefits
April 15th, 2009 at 9:13 am
I can tell that this is not the first time at all that you write about the topic. Why have you chosen it again?
April 21st, 2009 at 5:05 am
”the risks of smoking far outweigh the benefits”
Indeed, but the article is clearly stating the benifits of nicotine. I agree totally that ’smoking’ is very dangerous, but nowadays, you dont need to burn tobacco to get nicotine. There are new ways. Nicotine is one of the many chemicals that come off tobacco, but it does not need to be burned to be released. Its only when the tobacco is burned that the 100’s of chemicals become airborn, not to mention all the nutrients and pesticides that are pumped into tobacco to keep the crops going. After all its a highly profitable cash crop, and owners will use any chemicals that will ensure a harvest.
Nicotine can now be ingested using a vaporizer, which cuts out 90% of the dangers of smoking tobacco.
Vaporisation is just a high level of heat, opposed to actual combustion, which takes place upon burning the substance. Tobacco vapors that occur before combustion have an incredibly lower chemical and carcinogen rate. The carcinogens are almost abolished completely.
This also applies to marijuana and THC. The THC/cbn/cbd etc can now be ingested using vaporisation. Since the marijuana never gets burned/combusted, hardly any dangerous toxins are made airborn. They all remain in the matter that gets left behind. You have more chance of breathing in dangerous fumes walking down a busy street to be honest.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:55 am
I find it amusing that smoking cannabis is supposedly good for asthma. Having asthma myself, I can say with surety that smoke is the last thing an asthmatic person wants to inhale.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:46 am
To Jarick,
Yes that is a pretty normal reaction. I have also suffered from asthma, since i was born.
The inhalation of any form of smoke is highly irritant, but that is not the implication of the study at all!
It is cleary stated, that there is a chemical within the main psychoactive gland that acts as an expectorant within the lungs. In the new age of medicine we are in, it is now possible to insufficate this single chemical, without the conventional ’smoking’. Smoking is the act of letting a matter reach the point of combustion. It is only EVER at the the point of combustion that the array of harmful chemicals are produced. If the matter is kept below this combustion point and only heated up a bit, close to none of these chemicals are released. Alot of people now use a device called a vaporizer, which does not burn the weed, but it heats it to a point, till only specific chemicals become airborne, no differnet than putting oils in your candle oil heater [which lots of health freak women use all their lifes]. The vaporizer can be left on very very low, so you the stuff you are inhaling is hardly visible to the eye. Its only when you burn things that all the toxins and bi-products of combustion that are released.
I should also point out that the chemical i am referring to is ‘THC’ which is only one of the beneficial chemicals in marijuana. I also want to say that out of all the healthy methods are ingesting cannibas, the vaporizer still is not 100% healthy, as you are still breathing in foreign chemicals. But i assure you, your health is at more risk living in a busy city, as the stuff that cars and factories pump into the air, are HIGHLY toxic, but no one ever pays much attention to that, as its part of our lifestyles. Cannibas however is a largely disputed topic, so its easy for people to focus in on one bad aspect of it, as if its the only reality.
Aside vaporisation and smoking, you can still always just eat it, which has never ever harmed anyone, physically that is. I wont get into the problems you will run into if you have schiophrenia or mental illness dormant in your genes, but this is not to common. But if you are the type of person to believe everyone is at risk of this, you may as well believe you are going to win the lotto…
June 27th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
I love chocolate, so this is going to make me enjoy it even more
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July 2nd, 2009 at 12:07 am
lol! all the above mentioned were the things and foods that i’d love to eat and do. I love ice cream, beer, red wine, caffeine, chocolate, cannabis and pornography! lol!
July 7th, 2009 at 8:20 am
i’m gonna live forever…yippeee!
July 8th, 2009 at 11:46 am
“While clearly not always linked to pornography, studies have found that men who had fewer orgasms were twice as likely to die of any cause as those having two or more orgasms a week.”
I’m pretty sure every man is just as likely to die as the next
July 9th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Im just gonna put this out there, no one has EVER overdosed on pot. its impossible.
Just sayin
and no im not trying to “justify” an “addiction.”
because pots not addictive.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:58 am
CHOCOLATE!!!!!!!!!
July 30th, 2009 at 11:30 am
things that i see, consume, etc.
10. ice cream
9. dirt
7.caffine
5.chocolate
1.pornography
August 21st, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Thank you so much for this list. If it’s all true then I am immortal.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:38 am
Wow, great list. I didn’t think that caffeine is showing on that list.
September 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 am
Awesome! I’m gonna go spark one up, and watch some porn!
October 5th, 2009 at 5:17 am
haha
surprising.
October 11th, 2009 at 7:44 am
what could be better?
-Im not going for marijuana and smokes though…
October 25th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
WOOHOO ANOTHER REASON FOR ME TO SMOKE POT! SUCK IT REPUBLICANS! 420! 420! 420!
November 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
@ZAC who says republicans don’t smoke pot?
November 18th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Actually, I can honestly say that smoking pot or cigarettes isn’t harmful. My dad, who is reaching 53 smoked both pot and cigarettes for years, and he is healthy.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:09 am
“Contrary to popular belief, a “beer belly” or “beer gut” is not produced by the beer, but rather overeating and lack of exercise.”
Yes because we spend the next day reading books you silly old boy.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
This list is very deceiving because whoever wrote it tried to find anything GOOD about several different substances. The only thing is, there are many extremely horrible attributes for many of these substances. In many cases, like the smoking example, the bad overpowers the good by far thus making it overall, terrible for your health. No one should base a diet off of these examples and feel good about it.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
@Nic (96): I applaud the fact that you are not ashamed to say that you are a Christian. That is something that you should never be ashamed of. I gave up drinking beer about 3 months ago. I do on occasion drink a little wine. I don’t get drunk. I just enjoy the taste.
My biggest accomplishment, however, is giving up pornography. For years I looked at on the internet, in magazines and on DVDs. What’s sad is that I am a Christian and I knew it was wrong. But I made friends on myspace with a woman named Shelley Lubben. She is a former porn star who now uses the Gospel of Jesus Christ to not only help people get out of porn but to also help those addicted to porn. She has two websites-shelleylubben.com and thepinkcross.org. Go to either one and view the video entitled “Dead Porn Stars Memorial”. Very sad and upsetting stuff.
I am a Christian man who is married to a Christian woman. We both make mistakes and fall behind sometimes in our Christian walk. But as Christ is there to pick us up so are we there to pick each other up. God Bless You, my friend!