Sure, you could torpedo your chances for a place in the rock’n'roll pantheon with drugs, alcohol and your choice of sexually transmitted diseases. But where’s the fun in that? The following bands found new and interesting ways to bring that dreaded day job a little too close for comfort.
Sabotaged by: Music Video
Boston rocker Billy Squier was the lone hard rocker still charting when synthesizers and drum machines crowded everything else out of 80′s radio. With the excellent “Don’t Say No” and “Emotions in Motion” already under his belt, record executives were salivating over the chance to market his 1984 album “Signs of Life”. For the music video of the leadoff single “Rock Me Tonight”, they convinced him to dance on a bed wearing a pink tank top. The album sold gangbusters but the video lost Squier his fan base–as well it should (his dancing was compared to a French pastry chef whose souffle had fallen). The shame of it was that in concert, Billy just strapped on a Telecaster and ROCKED. Subsequent albums predictably fizzled. The rather un-masculine video clip is above.
Sabotaged by: Japan
After three critically acclaimed/poor selling albums, Cheap Trick was ready to launch their best record with “Dream Police”. But then their quickie live set in Tokyo went uber-platinum. Shelved for a year, “Dream Police” sold well when it saw the light of day, but critics complained the band had abandoned their Budakon sound (even though the concerts were recorded AFTER Dream Police was already in the can). Desperate for another hit, record executives paired the band with producer after producer, even though nobody knew why the live album sold when the studio versions didn’t. The band tried to sue their way free and received a package in the mail. It was their ass. The A&R boys called the shots from then on, so you can thank them for “The Flame”. Only after their contract expired did Trick get their edge back on “Cheap Trick ’97″ and “Rockford”, both on independent labels.
Sabotaged by: Trash Talk
Quiet Riot has the dubious honor to be the very first heavy metal band to score a top ten hit with a cover of Slade’s “Cum On Feel the Noize”. But they’d shot their wad creatively, having to release ANOTHER Slade cover as a follow-up. The band probably could have weathered this, but when lead singer Kevin DuBrow insulted the more popular and (I can’t believe I’m writing this) more talented Motley Crue, he angered fans on all sides. Heavy metal found its first pariah in a movement supposedly populated by outcasts. Oh, the angst!
Sabotaged by: Reality Television
Oh, he’s all warm and fuzzy now, but back in the day Ozzy was a bat-biting, ant-eating, dove-killing badass backed by guitar whiz Randy Roads on “Crazy Train”, “Over the Mountain”, and “Flying High Again”. But by letting MTV into his LA mansion (instead of the creepy dungeon we all pictured him in), Ozzy cashed the last of his credibility in for a permanent Trivial Pursuit mention and assloads of cash.
Sabotaged by: Napster
As file sharing made anonymous, consequence-free theft easier than copping a squat, Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich stood up for musicians by refusing to sell Metallica content digitally. Musicians applauded the stand, but the fan base saw Metallica as out of date and hypocritical, since mix tape trading was largely responsible for Metallica’s getting noticed by the major labels. It took five years and group therapy before the band recovered most of its reputation. Long time readers of Listverse will well know how hated the band is here.
Sabotaged by: Urban Legend
You know the one, don’t you? Sure you do. About how Rod Stewart had to have his stomach pumped because he had a gallon of human semen in it. Regardless of which way Rod swings, he claims his career was unaffected. For the record, Rod later married model Rachel Hunter, and she’s Stacy’s Mom (who definitely has it goin’ on). Incidentally, the same urban legend has also been applied to Elton John, David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Jon Bon Jovi, Alanis Morissette, Britney Spears, and Lil’ Kim.
Sabotaged by: Jesus
In a press interview, John Lennon made a cynical off-the-cuff remark that the Beatlemania had made his band “more popular than Jesus now”. The backlash was instantaneous and resulted in mass record burnings and protests. Management quickly scheduled a press conference, and Lennon recanted according to a script we’re all too familiar with these days. Me? I think Jesus let him off with a warning.
Sabotaged by: Yoko Ono- NOT
Bands have always had to tolerate the singer’s girlfriend, but damn, this was The Beatles. Post Yoko, the rift between John and Paul grew unbreachable, leading to the group’s demise before they could get old and start sucking. Wait…
Sabotaged by: Marriage
Just as his star was burning brightest (“Whole Lotta Shakin Goin’ On and Great Balls of Fire were established hits), Jimmy Swaggart’s cousin Jerry Lee Lewis had the brainstorm that marrying his thirteen-year old cousin was a really good idea. As you can imagine, it was career suicide, but it’s hard to appreciate how much of an outrage it must have been in the 1950′s. Let’s try: today, Marilyn Manson can vivsect a leopard seal in a gradeschool crosswalk and nobody bats an eye. But we all still abhor Jerry Lee Lewis. Yeah. It’s that bad.
Sabotaged by: Plastic Surgery
How bad must you be to beat Jerry Lee Lewis in a creep-out contest? Try cosmetic surgeries numbered in scientific notation, resulting in a bleached, noseless rictus that makes the old guy from Poltergeist 2 look huggable. And if that doesn’t seal the deal, throw in cash settlements for pedophilia charges and dangle a blindfolded baby out a window. At his obese and addicted worst, Elvis looks angelic next to this abomination of too much fame, money, and wasted talent.
wasn’t there a list already like this
top 10 celebrities that ruined their careers or something like this?
also Chris Brown should be here
I think it’s also worth mentioning that the introduction to the list is a bit dodgy. If drugs and alcohol are going to blow you a place with The Gods, how did Jimmy, Robert, John-Paul and John (R.I.P) make it right to the top? Zeppelin were one of the most drugged out bands around in the 70′s, but back then that was considered a virtue
Not doing myself any favors. Mustaine was fired. And I agree that his music got better as time went on. He quit writing the all-out balls to the wall as he grew up. Was still great though.
His rep in metal circles? Um… Didn’t Mustaine recently find religion and refuses to do a lot of the older music?
Anthrax? Yep great band. Both w/Joey Belladonna and John Bush. Better w/Dan Spitz than w/out. Sorry, but a drummer coming out to do the guitar solos kinda loses a lil credibility. But, still didn’t have the impact that Metallica did.
123. chaosinc : Well he re-released all of Megadeths older material in 2007, and he is still VERY well regarded in metal circles in Australia. I personally can’t speak for anywhere else. But seeing as Metallica’s most successful charting would have to be on the ARIA chart, don’t you like us?
Lol, yeah, Anthrax didn’t INVENT Rap Metal. Silly me, I always get them confused with the other band that recorded Bring The Noise with Public Enemy before them
You still haven’t mentioned Slayer, afraid?
I think this list title should be: “10 artists thar sabotaged their careers”.
JayK, maybe you should be preparing a second part of this list, there alre plenty of ruined careers.
Wacko Jacko: #1 always!!! Great artist, but he’s out of his mind.
When did rap-metal come into this?
Slayer-great band, just not a big fan. Drummer had the fastest feet in the world at one time. Not afraid.
There were a lot of metal acts at the time… Iron Maiden, Motorhead… but none of them had the influence, or enjoyed real commercial success until Metallica broke the metal scene.
Why the absolute hatred for Metallica, anyway?
126. chaosinc : *stares at screen in utter bemusement on seeing that some tool doesn’t consider Maiden commercially successful or influential*
Are you high? Maiden formed in ’75 and were successful – and rather large influences on Metallica themselves – prior to James and Lars even setting eyes on each other. I would be lying if I didn’t admit that I love meeting people like you on LV, think you know everything when in actual fact my 12 year old brother could argue better than you.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN DID RAP METAL COME INTO IT? Are you retarded? We were talking about influence, I cited an example of an influence exerted by another Thrash band – same genre same timeline, to make it as fair as can be – on another genre to try and disprove your hypothesis that “Metallica were the most influential metal band (ever?)”.
Now, to further blow your mind. Slayer, probably the most influential of the Big 4. They were instrumental in the creation of Death Metal, they’re actually on the DM list here on LV. Way more influence than Metallica, sure not as commercially successful, but when has metal music been in the last 20 years?
You seem to be under the illusion that Metallica created metal and brought it to the masses. Listen to Black Sabbath’s first 5 albums, then come back and restate your stupid assumptions. Seriously, go down to your local kindergarten and argue with some of the kids on what colour is the best. Then, once you’ve built up some logic skills you can come back here and talk to me again
Michael Jacksonis was a musical genius. Love the music; hate what the guy has done to himself.
Anyone in Europe planning on attending his upcoming concerts?
Ya know, you try to be civil, and get insulted. Yet you ask,”when has metal been comercially successful?” I answered that one. As for influence, I don’t think so.
Some of us have grown up things to do now, like jobs.
Over, finished, gone, done, out…
And by the way, re-read my postings. Read what I actually wrote, not what you interpreted. I said that these bands did not enjoy success til after Met broke thru, not that these other bands weren’t an influence, or good.
Hey Jfrater, I think the debtate’s starting! Get back here!
On the metal front, I like Maiden better than Metallica.
Why isn’t Elvis on this list? He was a god till he got fat and addicted to prescription drugs. And became a spoiled brat. Even before he began screwing it up himself, wasn’t he saddled with some dumb-a$$ agent who never let him tour internationally?
Jessy; I am always here – always watching and pondering
129. and 130. chaosinc : I said when has metal been commercially successful IN THE LAT 20 YEARS. Because, although you Metallica fans don’t like to admit it *drops voice to a whisper* heavy metal actually existed before Metallica. WOAH!!1! Amazing or what? Sabbath were hugely popular in their day AND they created the whole genre, I know, I know “Metallica’s still better!”. So, give me some proof, seriously, all you’ve done is say they were popular, so was Maiden and Sabbath, but you don’t mention them…
Re-read my posts and I’ll sit here asking the dear lord above to boost your mental powers for a few minutes. Maiden and Sabbath were both amazingly successful pre-’tallica.
I sure do hope you are gone, one less rabid Metallica fan to deal with. I find it quite humiliating to admit to liking their music with the bunch of you we get here on LV. It’s no wonder there’s an anti-Metallica mentality, you’re all painfully stupid.
What? What happened to mai LV???!!! It’s all foony looking… Aww well, still got Metallica fans to destroy so I’ll have to stay for at least a bit longer
Mark: it is fixed now – temporary glitch – the site should seem much faster now btw. I just made a change to it.
um…2009…Black album released when? Falls w/in 20 years.
And by the way, I’m a fan of just about all music, not just Metallica.
Yeah, Sabbath created it, but they were in a crowd of one at the time. I know that metal existed before Met, I was there. But again I say, they broke it through for many other bands to follow. If you don’t agree, tell me who you think it was that broke thru, rather than slinging your childish insults
Michael Jackson can still make tons of money doing concerts in Europe and parts of Asia, which I believe he is about to do. In the US his career may be over, but even then I’m not sure. As for his appearance, so he has a disease that turns his skin white, but does it also turn him into a hideous alien looking woman!?
Metallica rules! The Beatles Rock! Quiet Riot Sucks!
136. chaosinc : LOL, well done proving your point there. Slight oversight on my part, huge one on your’s. Why didn’t you just mention Slipknot? I was asking the wrong question anyway, when did metal become “not commercially successful” seriously? Between Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, Thrash and Nu, metal has never been out of fashion, so I asked a poor question. That rebutts your other argument as well, Metallica didn’t lift other metal bands up with them, they just sold albums. In what universe do we attribute Slayer’s success to Metallica because, why again? Because Metallica sold more albums? Because Metallica is a more household name than Slayer? Because Metallica alienated their fanbase with the aforementioned album? I just don’t see any logic in your argument, sure you called me out for a poorly worded retort, but at the same time you helped me make my case o.O
All i have said is that Metallica broke through than metal scene for many other bands to follow, They released the right album at the right time, and introduced many people to a style of music that most hadn’t heard of. People actually started saying ‘hey, this matal ***** is good’. Which led to the success of many other bands.
What’s w Slipknot? As a matter of fact, we cover Dead Memories.
139. chaosinc : No, actually you claimed that no-one in the early 80′s had the same power and energy as Metallica, which is a blatant lie. As I rebutted by pointing out the other Thrash bands, then you panicked and decided to try and paint Metallica as the best Thrash band, which is also crap. And here we are, me knowing that I easily rebutted your first claim and growing weary of having to continue. But as long as you’re done…
You’re not a drummer by any chance?
I stated that Metallica broke thru, and was the biggest influence. Yes i am a drummer, and no lars is not my major influence.
Again, i’ll ask, who do you think was the single most influential band in the breakthrough of metal?
And where, anywhere did i say thrash?
141. chaosinc : THEY WERE NOT THE BIGGEST INFLUENCE. Until you actually prove a point you can’t hide behind it. Anthrax and definitely Slayer were much bigger influences on modern metal music. Again I’ll answer, Black Sabbath was the most important metal band period, no if’s, no but’s, no hypotheticals.
I figured you were a drummer because of the way you said “we cover…” rather than “I can play…”, no one really cares if you can play music on the drums, they just need drummers for bands. Also your mannerism just remind me of a drummer.
I’ll give you the sabbath comment, but again i’ll say, they were in a crowd of one at the time.
As for the drummer comments…WTF??
142. chaosinc : I didn’t say you did. Firstly, it only makes you look desperate having to wait for something I say to make a small “comeback” – I use inverted commans because they don’t actually help your argument. And secondly, if you’re going to resort to it at least do it right
144. chaosinc : Yeah… Ok, here’s why what you said was stupid : Being one of a kind is only a GOOD thing in a musical sense as it shows you are brave, creative and innovative. All you saying that “They were in a crowd of one” does is really highlight the lack of thought that goes into your arguments…
As for the drummer comments, like it or not, they’re true and you know it. A guitarist can say “I can play this song” and it’s all sweet, but a drummer can really only say “My band plays this song” simply because drums on their own are relatively boring. Don’t take it personally, it’s just the way it is
Rod Stewart HUH?
Lets see; title of List Acts that sabotaged their careers. How did Rod sabotage his career with this alleged urban legend? did he start it? if not then He did not sabotage his career with it.
Second thing *You know the one, don’t you? Sure you do.*
No I don’t. Never Heard It. And I became a fan about the time of Atlantic Crossing and only gave up at The Great American Songbook. So when exactly did this absurd alleged legend come out? And what fan would have given it any credence at all? Apart from his music the one other thing that Rod is best known for is the never ending string of Gorgeous Blonds on his arm.
Cheers
Lee
So much to comment on, but get real! Yoko Ono didn’t break up the Beatles-look at the music John and Paul (and George for that matter,)put out afterwards-different as night and day! The Beatles were a marketing dream and those ppl are the only ones that were crying. We got great Lennon music, Paul became a pop star. Boo Hoo.
Ozzy sabotaged his own career by losing too many brain cells. Ya, the reality series was like watching a train wreck in slo mo.
If Michael Jax touched one of my kids, I’d want his career, along with his genitalia hanging from a pig pole. So to say that about the boys dad is unfair and in poor taste. MJ got off easy. He sabotaged himself by being a mentally ill person who didn’t seek treatment in time.
Metallica gets better with age…ask the kids if they’ve heard of Metallica or Led Zeppelin and it’s hell yes because they are still current! (Let go of the Napster thing you pussies! Geez! Can’t anyone stand for a cause?)…but they don’t know who Slayer, Anthrax or Quiet Riot are because they are dead and buried.
148. BloodSuckingLeech : *facepalm* Epic fail… Sure, kids have heard of Metallica – not many around here have heard of Zep though – but how many listen? Not many, and those that do also listen to Slayer and Anthrax. Seriously, didn’t you see what happened to chaosinc further up? Did you not read my comments outlining exactly why what you just said was completely and utterly retarded? Come on, grow some brain cells, you give metal fans a poor name
I agree that the Napster thing doesn’t bother me much though, nor does them “selling out”, and I do like their music just as much as the other Thrash acts. But I hate it when tools barge in here and make other, reasonable Metallica fans – that can put things in perspective and look at the bigger picture – a bad name. Start giving respect and recognition where it is due and stop being so bigoted or get out, we don’t need people like you sullying Metallica’s already soiled name any further.
And people wonder why LV reader’s don’t like Metallica
Mark…wow…you give humans a bad name.
150. BloodSuckingLeech : Lol, I’ll be a little less verbose in reply to that, it doesn’t really deserve much. Either bow out with what’s left of your dignity, or actually make a point, don’t just attack my person.
Leave it to a bunch of whiny Jesus freaks to care so much about what someone says. Um, aren’t you secure and comfortable with your God? Why burn all these superficial objects at the thought of some human being insulting your God? I don’t know if the idea of God is worse because it’s a lie or because it turns people into mindless dolts.
Please don’t start a religious debate. I guess you strange God people have your faith in something the same as I have my faith in nothing. But my point is… don’t you think Christians should have acted more peacefully and tolerably to something like that? What a joke. What John said was true, GET OVER IT Jesus suckers. Your silly Jesus will be remember long after John is forgotten, if this sad world continues on its current path, so worry not oh herd of Christ.
The list is pretty good. I didn’t read all of the comments but I agree with Metallica being on there. I lost all respect for them after the whole Napster thing. In my opinion, Load was a big let down, I’ve been listening to them since the late 80s and had all their previous albums. Then to go and cry so much about some file sharing. Granted there are people doing the wrong things and making money selling bootleg crap but thats just a small percentage. They blamed Napster for losing money from sales when it was actually the change in their music that people didn’t like or want to buy. Not like they aren’t already rich, I just wonder how much money do you need to be happy. Just my 2 cents.
81. Randall: I couldn´t care less about music genders. That was my lousy attempt to make sense with the list´s title and be concise with my support for the great Sinead.
On the other hand, I´ve always been fascinated by “motorhead clowns” and all kinds of clowns who use costumes and paraphernalia in their everyday life to call attention, however, even as a radical teenager I found it too stupid and obvious to ever try it
Rod Stewart sabotaged his own career by recording schlock for the past 30 years. This “urban legend” had nothing to do with it.
Here’s another good example…PETER FRAMPTON !!
…before his smashing “Comes Alive” album, he was a member of “Humble Pie”, a badass blues-based group with credibility….
….but then came the suicidal “I’m In You” album….totally aimed at the 12yr. old girl market….I don’t think he really ever recovered from that…
The same goes for REO Speedwagon….they went from playing great stuff to releasing “High Infidelity”, another teenie-bopper magnet….then that was that….ashame
Jacko isn’t rock…
15. Mark – I’ve got vitiligo on my right arm and stomach and it spreads a bit more every year. Luckily, since I’m white it really only shows up in the summer when I tan. But, it is possible that his vitiligo could be THAT bad. Other than that I’m not really gonna stick up for Michael Jackson, I’ll definitely go in with all the jokes
Careers sabotaged? Are you kidding?
Metallica and Ozzy are still two of the biggest acts in metal. Their careers are just fine.
And Michael Jackson is not a rock act.
You’re stupid.
wow, you must really hate michael jackson.
say watever u want about the guy as a spectator but however you look at it he is one of the most gifted people to ever walk this planet. i know that’s probably hard for you to swallow but its true. sorry. interesting list. I think the terminology of title was way inaccurate but…
Thanks for your interest in the list… it’s been fun reading the comments (for the most part).
TOP 10 TEN LESSONS I LEARNED BY WRITING A TOP TEN LIST FOR LISTVERSE
10. Get a Dictionary
Everyone has a few words in their vocabulary that they don’t use properly, buy get away with in everyday conversation. That’s fine, just don’t post it on the Internet. While “unbreachable” may indeed mean “remove”, it is not commonly used to “remove a growing rift between two people”. So why not just say “remove a rift between two people”? Because I was being a pretentious prat. And no, I’m not sure what “prat” means, either. (Feels right, though. Wait…)
9. The Editor Knows His Job Better Than I Do
I “gave” JFrater total permission to edit as he saw fit. It IS his website, after all, and if my intentionally crass tone (going for laughs) didn’t fit in, it’s his prerogative to make changes. He used a light touch but kept the piece from going over the top, and improved it by dialing down the cr***** factor.
8. I WILL Be Fact Checked
In the sixties they said, “The revolution will be televised”. Today they should say, “The revolution will be fact checked online”. So get your story straight, because once you post, it’s not yours anymore, and asking for a re-edit is just plain rude. So I didn’t do it. But, yes
***Ozzy snorted ants***
Happy now?
7. Don’t Mention Metallica
I can’t say I wasn’t warned.
6. Have a Sense of Humor
Lesson one in humor: not everybody is going to get the joke. After posting, your off-the-cuff remarks may be construed as making light of skin diseases, race, marriage, pedophilia, modern dance and who knows what else. Take it in stride.
5. Resist the Urge to Respond to Every Post
And then totally invalidate your thesis by writing a rebuttal in the guise of another Top 10 list. Surely no one’s sharp enough to catch on, right?
4. Have an Original (Or at Least Good) Premise
I wanted in on the contest and was working the deadline like a (insert your better joke here). I found some scandal lists, but nothing directly relating to rock music. I thought enough people could relate to that and went from there.
3. Match The Title Precisely to the Premise
Spend more time on the title—it sets up the premise and all the jokes that follow. I chose rock’n’roll recording artists that had their careers hurt (some permanently, some definitely not) by means OTHER than the holy rock trinity of *****, drugs, and alcohol abuse. I probably should have specified that I was using the term “Rock” loosely.
2. Make Sure You Have More Than 10 Candidates
Fortunately my topic dealt in human failure, so there’s no shortage of it. The community will detect all rejected candidates:
Peter Framption (poor follow album/Sgt. Pepper movie, no jokes came to mind)
Sinead O’Connor (SNL appearance, but she retired from music voluntarily)
Dixie Chicks (mocked USA, but that’s country–the pop/rock line is less distinct)
Of course, this doesn’t excuse me for using the same band TWICE. Slacker.
1. End on Michael Jackson
Whatever the topic, you’ll probably have most people agreeing with you. No one in recent memory has succeeded AND failed so completely as Michael Jackson, so he is a figure you can praise, scorn, pity, and mock all at once. At one point he was a little kid thrust onto a worldwide stage WAY too young, and tormented by brothers who called him ‘fat nose”. He has my sympathies as a child, but I’m not letting him off the hook for his actions as a man.
jim:
And just how is Michael Jackson oh so “gifted?”
He was a successful pop artist. Nothing more. Talented (but talent can run dry) yes, but “one of the most gifted people to ever walk this planet?” PLEASE. That’s placing him amongst entire legions of truly gifted, truly world-affecting people where he just simply does not belong.
You’re an absurd lover of celebrity, jim. Open up your eyes to the larger world about you.
Moreover, for all his former abilities, Jackson has CLEARLY gone off his nut and is quite probably a pedophile. At any rate, his actions have been to say the least VERY weird and HIGHLY questionable.
What is it with *****ers like you, that you want to defend someone like that, just because he managed to sell a few records in his life?
It is amazing how Michael Jackson turned into the zombies from Thriller, truly amazing.
Oh and Metallica would still be great if it weren’t for Napster and Load/ReLoad/St. Anger. Seriously, Load/ReLoad could have easily been released as a double album and St. Anger was an abomination to music, the only listenable track is the title track.
162: Randall – they’re call ‘fans’. Fans will forgive anything. They’re crazy! What is it about idolising something to the point of delirium?
“Delirium: decline in attention-focus, perception, and cognition.”
Perhaps ‘Fan’ is short for fanatic!
165. Lifeschool: Fan *is* short for fanatic.
158. Blacksunshine : Good to have someone who knows around, but if I remember correctly can’t the skin also re-pigment as well? I just vaguely remember reading about it somewhere.
BloodSuckingLeech: you are a real ass. Psycho*****ysis,as controversial as it may be, reveals that childhood traumas and experiences can cause real damage. None of us condone MJ for actions as a man. I admit, if he is a pedophile, he needs help. But back to the mental illnesses. People do not choose to develop mental disorders. Moreover, people deny things.He denies he has a problem; he refuses to get treatment. Its natural. No one wants to feel alienated by or ostracized because of a mental disorder, so they deny it. Basic psychological fact. Look it up under social motivation and the hierarchy of needs. It is people like you that make society the hostile, intimidating place it is. You make me sick. You are exactly what your sn implies: a blood-sucking parasites who feeds off the misery of others. Get a life, you loser. And God have mercy on your children. No one should be surprised if they end up in therapy with a parent like you.
Snorting ants and eating ants is entirely two different things.Im just saying.
ca_kid: Guess you like MJ alot, huh? He’s a parasite. Yes…he had great music. That’s all. As a human being, he sucked ass. You made a comment “It is people like you that make society the hostile, intimidating place it is” No, that would be you. You attacked someone for their view by being quite vile. You also became very personal about possible children. MJ has many people who can help him. If he chooses not to get help then it’s his own fault. However, this will not stop anyone from commenting on his mental status. No matter which way you slice this, he’s a sick f**k who likes little boys. He has done too many questionable things for this to be a coincidence anymore.
-…..and every poprock band from the eighties that tried to make a comeback in the nineties.
-enjoyed the read, along with the follow up in the comments continuations
-to numero 13. Equinox: Do a MJ list. do it.do it.
-the jesus sarcastica by the fart master, john lennon..has me recalling the sinead o’connor Pope picture rip.. I saw the Bob Dylan tribute a little while after and she was booed by the crowd when she tried to sing and she stopped her Dylan song and defiantly sang Everywhere There’s War then quickly left the stage, With Kris kris kristofferson attempt to console her..
a career crusher. (okay, so it’s already been brought up. I dont care. It’s what came to mind. )
-wow, I hardly recognize Winona Ryder in that picture with The Killer.
-somewhere, somehow (in dark cavity recesses of this troglodyte portion of my brain), Rod Stewart got stirred in with Bette Midler, Joan Rivers, Tony Bennett, and Martin Short, Liberace, and..wait wait wait…Rod didn’t get stirred in. It’s all part of the same *****es brew.
but I was unaware of the “Cumdumster picture goes here” with the inclusion of Elton John, David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Jon Bon Jovi, Alanis Morissette, Britney Spears, and Lil’ Kim”.
-Maybe Jagger was next door while Keith was getting his full body blood transfusion.
-You know what really sabotaged the beatles? The maharishi? L.S.D.? ,growing their hair and beards long and age?….No.
Let us recognize the true sabotage unmasked,
It was
THE SHENANIGANS.
- I was surprised by Lars’ stance on the copyright issue with Napster (given his art collection and intelligence, ect. along with heavy metal’s connection to anarchy and teen rebellion), but their music had already changed by the Enter Sandman Tour. then again, they were pretty big business like AC/DC with the showmanship before that and they where already at their richness/fame pentacle , so, lucifer’s deed had been done.
Mark 151
*Either bow out with what’s left of your dignity, or actually make a point, don’t just attack my person.*
Why, are you trying to corner that market?
*Did you not read my comments outlining exactly why what you just said was completely and utterly retarded?*
*But I hate it when tools barge in here and make other, reasonable Metallica fans – that can put things in perspective and look at the bigger picture – a bad name.*
Both from your 149.
Or is it that you can give but not take. Look forward to the day you take this attitude up with one of LV True Masters
Cheers
Lee
JayK (161)
*I probably should have specified that I was using the term “Rock” loosely.*
Wouldn’t have helped. What is rock is probably the 2ndeasiest way to start a music argument on LN (after stating an opinion on Metallica
)
Cheers
Lee
170. oouchan : Ok, we obviously have different opinions on this matter – and I want to make it very clear that I hate MJ, absolutely, completely, totally and utterly hate him, hate his nose, hate his music, hate his fact ad infinitum – but put yourself in his position for a second. He MAY want to get help because he knows there’s something wrong with him, how can he do that? The press would be all over him, can you imagine it? So instead he HAS to sit on his hands doing nothing about it and feeling worse and worse as time goes on. Don’t get me wrong, if he doesn’t feel bad about it I’d be first in line to rip out the contents of his abdomen with my bare hands, but I do believe in giving him the benifit of the doubt.
173. k1w1taxi : Wow, that was rather skewed. I actually added facts and presented an argument, if you look at his reply it was a one sentence, “You’re an idiot.” job. So I think you took all of that way out of context and please note I said “Please don’t JUST attack my person” I would’ve been fine with him calling me whatever he wanted, as long as it was well-founded and didn’t just waste my time.
I thought molesting children ruined michael’s career
174. Mark: I see your point, but with the press all over him now…what’s the big diff? If he gets help, he would be more inclined to win some sympathy. I’m not saying he should do that just for the sympathy, but he really needs the help…..and a red hot poker where the sun don’t shine.
Mark- I think k1w1taxi is trying to tell you is all your passive/ agressive posturing is gonna get you cut down to size if you don`t cool it.
I hear a lot of words but no meat.
oouchan: I in no way condone MJ’s actions. Pedophilia is wrong and absurd. But it can possibly be explained by past childhood trauma and experiences. It is comprehensible but not excusable-big difference. I am merely pointing out that people do in fact deny illness and refuse to receive treatment. Look at anorexics, for example. They can be near death and still refuse treatment. They can be 25 lbs, underweight and still view themselves as fat. Secondly, it is absolutely, positively wrong to the nth degree that bloodsuckingleech should insinuate that people choose to have mental illness. That is an absurd and farfetched notion. People do not choose to be schizophrenic. They do not choose to be bipolar. They do not choose to be anorexic. They do not suddenly wake up one day and say “Hey! I am going to act like a paranoid schizophrenic from now on,” provided they do not have Munchhausen syndrome. That was merely my point. People choose not to be sick. They are born sick or become sick. It is a matter of nature and nurture, not free will. So leech is in fact one of those ignorant asses who does make the world a worse place to live in. It is ignorance like his that has fueled prejudice, discrimination, and intolerance. I admit I can be no better, but at least I can acknowledge the fact that people are or become sick.
178. ca_kid: That was a much better explination. I applaud you for that. You are right, no one chooses to become mentally ill or sick. It happens. However, many of those with a mental illness keep it hidden. Family members and friends don’t notice until it’s either too late or it became escalated. But once out in the open, people are encouraged to get help.
For MJ situation, it was swept under the rug or paid off instead of bringing out into the open. I don’t want to know his business personally, but those around him should encourage him to seek treatment. If he won’t do it, then isolate him from children. That way he won’t do any more harm to himself or others.
Good grief! How could you leave out Guns n Roses???? In my opinion, an unbelievable waste of mega-talent – of course, I’m referring to SLASH! Although lacking in moral virtue, you can’t disregard the uniqueness of Axl Rose! Again, IMO, Slash is BY FAR the most talented guitarist of our day!