10 Recent and Controversial Bans Around The World
- Published August 5, 2009 by Blogball - 234 Comments
From prohibition to books, no matter how much we like to think we live in a free society, there is always something being banned. While many of these things don’t affect us all, many of them do. Furthermore, the whole concept of a minority (politicians) banning things for the majority is repugnant. This is a list of ten things recently banned, which led to controversy.
Food companies favor trans fats because it allows their products to stay fresh on the shelves longer and it is also made from less expensive oils keeping production costs down. The main concern with trans fats is the body is unable to break down trans fatty acids causing them to build up triggering high cholesterol and in some cases heart disease. In 2003 Denmark became the first country to ban foods containing large amounts of trans fats. Under this ban no more than two per cent of the fats and oils in any food product can contain trans fats. This effectively limits people’s trans fat intake to less than one gram per day. Switzerland followed with a similar ban in 2008.
Interesting Fact: The Center for Science in the Public Interest sued KFC over its use of trans fats in their fried foods. KFC then reviewed alternative oil options saying “there are a number of factors to consider including maintaining KFC’s unique taste and flavor of Colonel Sanders’ Original Recipe”. In 2006, KFC announced that it will replace the partially hydrogenated soybean oil it currently uses with a zero-trans-fat low linoleic soybean oil in all restaurants although its biscuits will still contain trans-fats.
In 2004 the Canadian Health Minister announced the Government’s immediate ban on baby walkers. Between 1990 and 2002, the ministry said, there were 1,935 reports of infants being injured using the walkers. It was determined that young children “do not have the necessary skills, reflexes or cognitive abilities to safely make use of the product”. The most common accident occurs when babies fall down stairs. The ban prohibits retailers from selling, advertising or importing baby walkers. Canada is the only country so far to ban Baby Walkers.
Interesting Fact: Many parents believe that baby walkers teach a child to walk faster; however, studies suggest that it is not true, and they may actually delay walking by two to three weeks.
Because the compact fluorescent (CFL) lasts five years longer and uses about 75 percent less energy it has prompted many countries to enact laws to phase out incandescent light bulbs. Australia passed a law in 2007 that will make it one of the first countries to ban the incandescent light bulbs outright in 2010. Cuba exchanged all incandescent light bulbs for CFLs, and banned the sale and import of them in 2005. The EU agreed to a phase out incandescent light bulbs by 2012. California recently passed a bill that will phase out the bulbs by 2018. New Zealand’s previous government passed legislation to ban the bulbs but the newly elected government threw the ban out due to the outcry the ban caused.
Interesting Fact: CFLs, like all fluorescent lamps, contain small amounts of mercury as vapor inside the glass tubing, averaging 4.0 mg per bulb. A broken compact fluorescent lamp will release its mercury content. This means that safe cleanup and disposing of broken compact fluorescent lamps will differ from incandescent bulbs.
Chewing gum was banned in Singapore in 1992 and was revised in 2004. Incorrect disposal of chewing gum on chairs, tables, floors and on the door sensors of the new metro system led to the ban. Regulations also did not make any provisions for personal use of quantities to be brought into Singapore. Therefore, bringing chewing gum into Singapore, even in small quantities was prohibited. In 2004 the Singapore Government recognized the proven health benefits of certain gums such as sugar-free gum that contains calcium lactate to strengthen tooth enamel. Medical gum was then allowed provided it was sold by a dentist or pharmacist who must take down the names of the buyers. Singapore is the only country with a chewing gum ban.
Interesting Fact: The Chicago-based Wm. Wrigley Jr. Company enlisted the help of a Washington, D.C lobbyist and the chairman of the U.S. House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Trade, to get chewing gum on the agenda of the United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement. This caused the 2004 revised ban allowing the medical improvement type gum.
In 2005 India became the first country to ban smoking and tobacco on-screen prohibiting all scenes showing the consumption of all tobacco products in movies and television programs. Whenever an actor smokes or consumes a tobacco product on screen, television channels must blur the scene. Films that already contain such scenes must run a scroll at the bottom of the screen, warning of the dangers of tobacco use.
Interesting Fact: Earlier this year the Delhi High Court overturned the Indian federal ban on performers smoking in films saying it is a reality of life and any censorship on its depiction would violate creative artists’ fundamental right to freedom of speech and expression.
Somewhere between 500 billion and a trillion plastic bags are consumed worldwide each year. In 2002 Bangladesh became the first country to ban plastic bags outright after discovering the bags blocked drains and was one of the main causes of the devastating floods of 1988 and 1998. Another problem with plastic bags is they do not biodegrade in landfills and pose a danger to many marine mammals. Thin plastic bags are now banned in South Africa and thicker ones are taxed. Similar laws exist in many other countries. Australia and the United Kingdom are also considering bans. In the United States the cities of San Francisco and Oakland have banned plastic shopping bags completely and promote reusable and compostable sacks.
Interesting Fact: According to one statistics choosing paper or plastic may just involve choosing which resource to consume. According to the Natural Resources Defense Council, the plastic bags used annually in the United States require about 12 million barrels of oil to produce. Paper bags require about 14 million trees. In a landfill, plastic bags take up less space than paper.
The move to ban super skinny or size-zero models came in 2006 after the death of 22-year-old model Luisel Ramos (shown on the right) who died of a heart attack moments after stepping off the catwalk. Ramos apparently was eating nothing but green leaves and diet coke for three months. Reports said she’d been told by her modeling agency that she would have a big future if she would loose a lot of weight. Stylists signed a joint declaration with the Italian government stating that, all models in shows must have a body mass index of 18 and above and must be “full bodied and healthy.” Madrid’s annual fashion show also banned models with a body mass index of less than 18 and there are calls for similar restrictions at London fashion shows.
Interesting Fact: In early 2007, Luisel’s 18-year-old sister Eliana Ramos, also a model (shown on the left) also died of an apparent heart attack believed to be related to malnutrition.
This is the most recent ban on the list and gained momentum after members of the Bolivian wing of an animal rights group went undercover. They revealed that animals in circuses are confined to cages without room for them to move around and forced to stay crammed in cages for the majority of their lives. The Bolivian Senate agreed to the ban and President Morales signed it into law in July 2009. There are similar bans on animal use in circuses in Austria, Costa Rica, Finland and Denmark where it is prohibited to use certain species of wild animals. Bolivia is the first and only country to ban both wild and domestic animals from traveling circus.
Interesting Fact: The recent attention given to animal cruelty in circuses has prompted Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus to release a fact sheet on how their animals are treated. You can read the fact sheet here.
Everyone is familiar with the recent smoking regulations that have affected smokers all over the world. In 2004 Ireland became the first country to prohibit smoking in all indoor workplaces including restaurants and bars. In 2008 a small mountainous kingdom between India and China called Bhutan was the first to ban smoking and tobacco sales outright. Authorities celebrated the ban by igniting a bonfire of cigarettes in the capital city and hanging banners across the main thoroughfare urging people to kick the habit. Violators in Bhutan are fined $232 (more than two months’ salary) The Ban on tobacco has caused an increase in the illegal trade of tobacco products to Bhutan. No other country so far has banned smoking and tobacco outright.
Interesting Fact: The first modern, nationwide tobacco ban was imposed by the Nazi Party. Smoking was prohibited in every German university, post office, military hospital, and Nazi Party office. The Institute for Tobacco Hazards Research was created in 1941 under orders from Adolf Hitler. Major anti-tobacco campaigns were widely broadcast by the Nazis until the end of the regime in 1945.
Sweden was the first country to ban parental spanking back in 1979. It took many years before another country would follow but now a total of 24 countries have passed similar laws. The most recent countries are Venezuela, Uruguay, Portugal, Spain and New Zealand in 2007 (though a referendum is being held to determine whether the anti-smacking bill should be repealed this year since the change of government) and Costa Rica and Republic of Moldova in 2008. There have been many studies done on the results of the Sweden spanking ban. Some studies suggest it has reduced child abuse in the country to almost zero. Other studies show Sweden with a lower rate of child deaths due to abuse than 20 out of 27 developed countries. Another recent report by Sweden suggested that the spanking ban has made little change in problematic forms of physical punishment.
Interesting Fact: In the United States (In all 50 states) it is legal for parents to spank or paddle their children. In 23 states corporal punishment is still legal in public schools. Canada bans corporal punishment for children under two and over twelve years of age, as well as the use of any objects such as a paddle.
























August 5th, 2009 at 1:35 am
in some parts of canada they made it illegal to smoke in a vehicle where a child is present and others banned smoking completly in places of business like restaurants (including patios) bars and bingo halls
August 5th, 2009 at 1:45 am
I absolutely would support a global ban of plastic bags.
August 5th, 2009 at 1:47 am
They just made smoking in a car with a minor illegal in California also… but I don’t think the cops really crack down on it.
August 5th, 2009 at 1:48 am
Pshh if all my parents ever did was send me to time out and tell me not to do it again it wouldn’t have had much of an affect on me. Sure I think child abuse is wrong but one spanking isn’t going to kill them
August 5th, 2009 at 1:53 am
i agree jen, as long as you are in control and not letting anger lead you during the punishment and you are not inflictin lasting injuries (bruises) spanking should be fine, all in descretion
August 5th, 2009 at 1:56 am
I must say, I always do enjoy reading your lists Blogball. I agree that ten and nine should be banned because they pose an unneccessary health risk. Also item four is an inappropiate thing to do and I don’t know why models believe people like them that skinny.
I am fifty fifty on item eight. On one must hand this is better lightbulb is much better for the consumer. However the sale of this lightbulb could have a impact on industires, which could in turm effect countries economies. Its the same with number two. The tobacco industry is the biggest in the world, so imagine the amount of money a nation must lose if they ban it.
Chewing gum is just a minor inconvienence and not worth banning. The ban on smoking on movie and TV screens, I find a little pointless, because its very unlikely someone on a screen smoking will effect a smokers’, or non-smokers’ habits as its done so often.
As for item number five, plastic bans, I’m all for them being banned. As for circus animals I’be never been to a circus so I can’t pass judgement on wherever it would benefit from having animals or not. Finally parental spanking does no long term damage to the child, it teaches them discpline and gives the parents control. The government seems insistent on taking away parental control and letting the kids do what they want.
August 5th, 2009 at 1:59 am
good list
i agree with jen
i used to get a good spanking and i turned out normal
i agree with chubbmeister too
i would also support a ban on plastic bags
August 5th, 2009 at 2:04 am
im in london uk!
KFC do biscuits? help?
August 5th, 2009 at 2:07 am
The idea that “politicians banning things for the majority is repugnant”, as stated in this list’s introduction,seems very strange to me. This is essentially a list of health and safety legislation, and I think that although one may take issue with particular items, government clearly has to have a role in this process.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:15 am
I don’t think banning smacking is necessarily a good idea. I was a very naughty child and the only thing that would teach me a lesson was a quick slap. But I do remember that once my dad went a bit overboard and hit me with the yellow pages, but he did have a wee bit of a temper.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:18 am
An interesting meaty list.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:19 am
I think the law against spanking ones children is really good. I know that not all children that are spanked are hurt by it, but Im sure some parents take it too far out of anger and really hurt their children.
I also think that it is sad that parents have to hit their children to make them respect them. My parent never hit me, but I still had a lot of respect for my parents. Also, I don’t think it is a good idea to teacht children that it is okay to hit someone, then how do you discipline them when the hurt another child in the school yard, but hitting them agian?
August 5th, 2009 at 2:19 am
Oh yeah I got my voting papers for that smacking thing the other day. I dont like how clear cut the option are. I hate when parents hit there kids but im all for a smack on the hand or arse as i really dont believe it does any permanent damage but it gets the point across.
What are you forting Jamie?
August 5th, 2009 at 2:28 am
Cool list although I agree that banning smacking is a bad idea. I got a good hiding for being a twat when I was younger and I turned out all the better for it. Smacking doesn’t always lead to child abuse, the problem there is usually with the parent, not the method of discipline.
I think it’s interesting though that the studies done in Sweden into the results of banning smacking failed to mention how it affected discipline and young behaviour, only that child abuse went down.
I see the UK going in a similar direction and in light of the rampant knife and gun culture, gang raping and lack of discipline among kids these days, I think that’s a big reason for it.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:36 am
@ Signe
I think your reasoning is a bit of a stretch. Being smacked by my parents didn’t make me logically conclude as a child that it was ok to wollop another child if I didn’t like something they did. It’s not about earning respect by smacking a child, it’s about teaching them the difference between right and wrong.
And it’s simple, a child isn’t the same as a parent or an adult so you teach them the difference by showing them that they need to approach an adult to tell them about another unruly child rather than attacking them. Children aren’t stupid, I’m pretty sure they get it.
That said, a child will learn how to hit another child whether they’re smacked or not, seen it enough times to know this. And they won’t do it to “discipline” the other child, they’ll do it for selfish reasons.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:50 am
I love the list, I thought it would end up being a tad more contraversal, like China’s crazy bans, but most of these seem like a healthy move or the country and world.
I have to say, I would never ever hit a child. Teaching a child it’s okay to hurt someone when they disagree with your rules can sometimes lead down a devastating route. Understandably most children turn out okay, but where I live [Manchester, UK] seeing someone hit a child would get a huge uproar.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:53 am
#8 is not true. A lot of fluorescent light bulbs no longer contain mercury and this scare is what keeps it down in lots of places
August 5th, 2009 at 2:56 am
#6 Norman – models believe they have to be skinny because they are usually young, naive and the industry (fashion writers, agencies, publications, clients etc.) tells them to – basically regarding vulnerable young women as an expendable resource. I’ve always found the fashion industry to be unusually repellant and exploitative. Here’s a recent article – although it doesn’t feature the size zero debate, does show how ‘fashion’ operates.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/jun/07/sara-ziff-teen-modelling-fashion
August 5th, 2009 at 3:01 am
@Geng1s (13): I plan to vote to allow parents to smack – legislation already exists to prosecute child abuse. A smack to teach consequences is not abuse; in fact, witholding it may be.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:04 am
i agree jaime, i should punch him if i want!
spread the rumor, jaime beats his children
August 5th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Banning Spanking isn’t a good idea. I think that everyone understands the difference between spanking and child abuse. Child abuse is frustration taken on kids while spanking is a punishment for grievous errors.
On a lighter note, maybe we need to set limits on spanking – one a day at max!
August 5th, 2009 at 3:15 am
LOL @ the ban of spanking. Spanking is not allowed. But beating is okay.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:17 am
A very interesting backstory on the ban of cigarettes in Indian movies.
One of India’s biggest movie stars (Rajinikanth) urged voters to stay away from a particular party. The voters didn’t heed to his advice & the party chief’s son was made the Minister for Heath in the federal government. The movie star’s signature move involves cigars & cigarettes and hence the minister found a cause to fight for!
The minister & his move to ban smoking in movies has been widely pilloried and the Delhi high court overture is the correct way forward.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:33 am
the nazis only banned smoking because they wanted to reach Autarky and with many people still smoking foreign tobacco they were loosing money which could be put into the war effort. they didnt do it for the health benefits.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:37 am
We had a debate at school about smacking children and whether its’s ok and I said that if my dad hadn’t slapped me when I was younger (this was the 90s so not long ago at all – and I never had bruises, only a bit of a red bottom lol) then I would have been much naughtier. It’s not that it takes ‘abuse’ for rules to be enforced, it’s just that if my dad had just shouted at me or told me to sit on a naughty step then I would’ve just laughed. And I knew that i had been slapped because i’d done something wrong and that it was never ok to hit someone else. (I also think its funny when people say spanking, maybe i just have a dirty mind – but i digress.)
August 5th, 2009 at 3:39 am
ye someone explain to me what ‘biscuits’ are in american cus saying they sell them in KFC just sounds stupid to me beacuse in england biscuits are wat u call cookies. :S
August 5th, 2009 at 3:44 am
blasphemy has recently banned in ireland
i think denying people their free speech is wothy of the list
August 5th, 2009 at 4:06 am
i’m all in favour of a partial ban on smoking, like the one here in the uk about indoor smoking in public places. its nice to go to a gig and not have some jerk in front blowing carcinogens in my face. there are downsides, of course, like everyone smoking out in the streets instead now. at least they have to fight the good old british weather o do that, though
i’ve always found there to be something of a double standard in banning drugs, though. after all, aren’t some illegal drugs (such as ecstacy and cannabis) less dangerous compared to legal ones like alcohol and tobacco?
August 5th, 2009 at 4:20 am
Im from New Zealand and think that the smoking ban indoors is great. Interestingly….
The first building in the world to have a smoke-free policy was the Old Government Building in Wellington, New Zealand in 1876. This was over concerns about the threat of fire, as it is the second largest wooden building in the world.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:33 am
ha ha since smoking was banned in ireland all my smoker friends had to go outside and so i’d go out with them and now i smoke with them.
damn that pesky ban.ruining my health.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:34 am
If only they allowed beating punishments in British schools we would not have half the troubles we do.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:44 am
@ Lowdog
I think it’s something like scones.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:58 am
It’ll be nice if there was a global ban on smoking so that they can only be sold on the black market. Less people get addicted and (nearly) everyone is happy. Instead of buying recreational drugs, they buy cigarettes and cigars which technically will have less of a negative effect on society.
Rather then spanking, just lock them in an empty room for ten minutes and they’ll behave, that works for little children at least.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:05 am
@Lowdog (26):
American biscuits are like scones, but not sweetened, eaten hot out of the oven with lots of butter or smothered in gravy.
KFC’s are typical of Southern USA cooking. Your basic flour, baking soda, water, salt, and lard. mix it up, drop it on a baking sheet, bake 10 minutes, and voilà, you’re well on your way to a heart attack.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:15 am
nice…
August 5th, 2009 at 5:19 am
i remember corporal punishment in schools being used (on me) the year b4 it was banned in australia. And yes i was a very naughty boy. still am. please miss dont spank me again lol
August 5th, 2009 at 5:30 am
A good list but am surprised some of what is banned in Saudi Arabia did not feature, but then everything is banned.
Getting the same everywhere.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:38 am
Hey Blogball, you’re a good list writer.
The circus animal piece really stopped me. I am so “on-the-fence” on this issue. As a little kid, I always ran down to the fairgrounds to watch the circus unload off the train tracks and set up their tents. It was fantastic: the smells, the noise, the creepy circus people, and of course the elephants helping set up the Big Top. Their animals looked really mangey and unhealthy, and I felt so bad for them. It was a high sensory experience, and I totally loved it.
I read the Barnum and Bailey propaganda. Feh. Who knows? I certainly don’t know what to make of it. It is thrilling to see magnificent elephants up close.
Cirque du Soleil is very cool, but I always miss the animals.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:51 am
Good list, Blogball!

Glad that smoking is listed twice since it is so nasty…and I used to smoke, too.
As a parent, I would allow spanking, but nothing more. Smacking other places of the body other than the behind is closer to abuse. Also no item is needed other than a hand. Time outs don’t always work. It didn’t for my sister or brother. However, it seemed to work on me just fine. Hated sitting by myself while others were having fun without me.
I have a feeling that if more countries ban circus animals then zoos might follow suit. That would be fine with me as I have visted many zoos that the animals are worse off than circus animals. At least with the circus animals, they get out of thier cages. One zoo was so small I had to leave it because it was so upsetting to see how the animals were being kept.
I also heard that in Canada they are trying to ban pitbulls due to the recent attack on 2 girls…3 and 5 years old. Good. I hope that passes. It should be for all agressive dogs.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:57 am
@oouchan (39): What about native Australian dingoes? They’re pretty vicious, but I would’ve picked you for the “don’t kill tigers” type… Just wondering
August 5th, 2009 at 5:59 am
In Florida where I live they are trying to ban “saggy pants” in one city. They are still trying to get it passed.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Here in Pakistan thay have banned emails & sms’ makin fun of the govt as well as its officials. Doinf otherwise can result in upto 14 YEARS OF IMPRISONEMENT. Holy shit, that surely will stop them. Seriously, how can a govt win a war against such a widespread form of Communication ?
August 5th, 2009 at 6:01 am
In the U.S. it’s dangerous business to spank your child as punishment. These days it seems the children hold the power in the household. A friend of mine told me that her kid warned her they would go to social services if they were ever spanked again and now the kid runs a bit wild. DYFIS(Social Services) takes what the kids say VERY seriously around here. Growing up, it seems the kids who were spanked seemed to turn out ok. The best rule with more than one kid in the house: if one kid messes up, they BOTH got in trouble. This worked WONDERS in my house.
The ban on smoking in restaurants is ridiculous. Here in Jersey there was a coalition of restaurant/bar owners who tried to stop it. I agree that they shouldn’t be forced to ban it. It’s THEIR place of business. At worst, let them put a sign outside that says “WE ALLOW SMOKING” so the public is forewarned.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:03 am
I definitely agree with banning circus animals, we should be able to entertain ourselves with clowns and acrobats.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Way awesome list again Blogball. I always get excited when I see your name at the top of the page – sad commentary on my life, I know – and you’ve rewarded my faith again.
Baby walkers aren’t really the problem eh? It’s the fallibility of parents that’s the problem; none of us are perfect; someone’s gonna leave the door open to the garage or forget to put the gate at the top of the stairs. Personally my kids lived on the floor when they were babies – you can’t fall off the floor – and my kids all crawled and walked earlier than my sister’s walker babies.
My opinion on spanking depends on the kid we’re talking about; his/her age, temperament, and the infraction. A smack on the hand works very well on an 18 month old prone to sticking fingers in wall outlets – zing, instant consequence – they learn quickly. Sometimes too, the actual child leaves you no other option. My eldest (in grade 6, 10/11 years old) was caught on the river in winter, playing on the ice. He was grounded. Caught again as soon as he was finished with his punishment, he was grounded again. Then, while he was still under restriction, I caught him again. The consequence to this behaviour is DEATH. This time he got the belt. Like hands on the dresser, 10 licks. You know what? He never went on the ice again. It worked for that particular kid. My youngest? Wouldn’t be effective – he doesn’t do shame or embarrassment – he just gets angry. We’ve had to find other ways to discipline him – none that worked btw.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:12 am
I hate those CFL bulbs. They don’t give off enough light. I’ve had to use more of those in one room to give off the same amount of light the others had, even with buying the highest wattage. That pretty much offsets the savings.
As for the plastic vs paper debate-there was a special on tv about what would happen to the earth if people stopped existing. I think it was called, “Life after People”. It showed how paper and plastic eventually decompose (granted, it takes a looong time), but metal doesn’t. All those cell phones and other metal items that don’t rust that people throw away stay and the batteries leak into the environment.
So, no matter what gets banned and what you recycle something else will be a problem.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Errr….what about the pitbulls that didn’t do anything oochan? The blanket ban of one breed should never pass. It’s ridiculous. But that’s fine, let’s kill all the pits because a 3 year old jammed its finger into a dogs eye. Take all the ones away from owners who train, love, and handle their dogs well and kill them because they are obviously vicious killing machines just waiting to turn on their owners. Never mind the fact that they used to be so good with children they were called nanny dogs. I’m sure that dog the Little Rascals had was eyeing them up and down, just waiting to pounce. I hope a golden retriever attacks someone some day and people leave me and my dog alone.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:17 am
@Mark (40): You’re right. I’m not like that, but these dogs are allowed more freedoms because of animal rights groups. Yeah, yeah…I know, it’s the owners. Not all, though. I personally would welcome such a ban. The other proprosed change is to have the dog registered as an agressive dog, you have to pay a yearly fee to keep it, and the moment it goes outside (even for natural functions) it has to wear a muzzle. I would agree with that too. Recently a pitbull ATE a 2 week old baby. So yes….I will welcome such a ban.
Hope this helped explain for you.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:22 am
OK – the spanking ban chaps my a$$. I totally agree with mom424, that swats on the butt can be very effective. Time-outs and other ‘new-age’ punishements don’t always work that well. Sorry for the rant! That really gets me going when moronic politicians and hippy freaks tell me how to run my life!!!
August 5th, 2009 at 6:23 am
As for the spanking debate-it depends on the kid. My mom has 2 brothers. All disciplined. One brother was an absolute terror. He got kicked out of kindergarten TWICE! The rest of his life was juvie and jail. Nothing they did to discipline him worked.
You can’t blame my grandma for not being there and watching him (mothers stayed home in those days). Video games didn’t exist. They didn’t have tv until my mom was in highschool. So you can’t use those for blame.
Every child is different. What works for one may not work for another and some things may not work at all.
I’m for spanking if all else fails.
Sorry but a major peeve of mine is when parents are automatically blamed. Not that there aren’t bad parents but no one ever takes the fact that kids don’t always do what they’re told into consideration.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:24 am
@callie19 (47): It wouldn’t be just one breed but all agressive dogs. Pitbulls are agressive. That’s a fact. Many hurt their family and others. Yes…I know you have some and they are treated well and are not like this. I have a friend at work who has 4 of them and they are very nice dogs. However, there are too many of them out there that are not.
Let’s put it this way….I love my dog (shetland sheepdog) and would hate to have to do this to her if they put a ban on her. The alternative would be worse in my mind if she attacked someone. I would put her down immediatly if she did. Some dogs attack because of abuse and some just attack. That is why such a ban or even the proposed change would be welcome. Just in case of a situation getting out of hand. I would want to protect her just as much as I would want to protect others.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Porn was just outlawed in the Ukraine.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Pointless Anecdote time:
I’d take our son & his walker over to the in-laws, who have polished boards. The young’n quickly figured out that if he ran the length of the hallway, then drew his legs up and lean in certain directions, he could then do a circle, terrorize the dogs, crash into his grandmother and knock things off the buffet.
My fiancee & I thought it was scream, but it was only two visits later that my father in law ‘gently suggested’ that we leave the walker at home from now on.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:27 am
i think of lot of parents would agree that spanking is necessary for a lot of kids….the smoking on movies is rediculous and i totally agree with the model thing, that shit starts to develop in teenagers and only encourages them to not eat and live unhealthy and die in their 20’s….
August 5th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Any animal can turn on it’s owner at any time. Who was the magician that got mauled by the tiger?
August 5th, 2009 at 6:36 am
if my parents tried to hit id hit them back
August 5th, 2009 at 6:39 am
I would support 100% a boycott of Israel.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Actually, dachshunds, followed by jack russel terriers, are consistantly rated the number one and two most aggressive dogs. Even fighting pits aren’t aggresive towards humans. The trash that breed pits for fighting select the ones least likely to turn on a human- in case the fight needs to be broken up, they want to be able to do it easily. And, pardon the pun, but the mass hysteria towards pits has lead to people not knowing a pit bull if it bit them on the ass. See if you can do it.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
I own one and it took me three tries. Bans on a breed are a TERRIBLE idea. My dog is training to be a therapy dog- to go into hospices and hosptials to visit. She’s one of the good pits that’s a ambassador for her breed. Having to muzzle or her register as aggressive when she isn’t and hasn’t been is a huge step backward from all the work we’ve done. IF (and this is a huge if) she were to nip or bite someone, I’d muzzle her or register her without hesitation, and if the situation called her it I suppose I’d put her down if I was forced. But to do it just in case is ridiculous. She deserves a chance. Recently, my two year old nephew came over to play, and we were all keeping a very vigilant eye on him and my dog. However, as soon as our backs were turned, he went over to explore her. We heard a scream, and turned around, expecting the worst. My nephew was riding my dog, screaming with joy. True story.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:44 am
On the spanking debate, how can you try and teach a child that violence is not the way to solve problems, and then spank him when he steps out of line? Hypocrisy anyone?
August 5th, 2009 at 6:46 am
http://dogobedienceadvice.com/which_dog_breeds_are_most_aggressive.php
Here’s a good article on dog aggression.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:50 am
@Signe (12): Then how do you think misbehaving children should be disciplined?
August 5th, 2009 at 6:53 am
@archiealt (59): Read my post. Sometimes there is no other choice. It is your responsibility to protect your children – even from themselves – by whatever means works. It’s a court of last resort and should be used as such.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:53 am
re: Smoking Bans – I always wonder, if there is such a great demand for non-smoking bars/nightclubs, why do virtually none exist (except where forced, obviously)? Business owners are absolutely within their rights to not allow smoking on their premises, so why haven’t any done so?
Anyway, I am a smoker, but I’m all for bans in places that meet one of the following criteria:
1) A person has limited options of other places to go (gov’t buildings come to mind)
2) Sanitary reasons (like grocery stores)
3) Any place one would normally not spend say, over 3 hours inside. (This includes just about everywhere. Restaurants too.)
That leaves bars and casinos.
I’m all for the rest of the bans on the list, except spanking, chewing gum and baby walkers (no opinion).
August 5th, 2009 at 6:55 am
I don’t agrr on the baons of incandescent bulbs. I was reading the warnings on the packaging of a fluorescent bulb (GE or Westinghouse I think, but not certain) and it said that in the case of a broken bulb, open all windows and leave the house for 12 hours to allow the mercury fumes to dissipate. Sounds unrealistic/concerning to me.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:00 am
@Bryan (62): The reason that smoking in bars and restaurants is banned, at least here in Canada, has much to do with workplace health and safety. Wait staff, cooks, attendants – all have the right to work in a safe and healthy environment. Irks me too, I smoke, and I feel for the bar owners who lose custom because of it. The last study I read, in the Ottawa area, a 40% loss of income. Everyone was crossing the border into Quebec where you could smoke. I think that’s changed now – I think Quebec has the same restrictions, but I’m not sure.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:25 am
USA still has corporal punishment in schools. wtf- thats retarded and so old fashioned
August 5th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Hey, hitting kids is cool, right?!
August 5th, 2009 at 7:34 am
The USA has a ban on smoking in restaurants and indoor places (except smoke shops)….at least in New york they do.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:35 am
I’m amazed at how many people don’t seem to realize that plastic bags are just as recyclable as paper bags.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:45 am
@mom424 (45): I have also used smacking as a deterant, and am not ashamed to do so, even though it is illegal in this country (notice I didn’t say ‘my’ country). I live in a very dilapidated area, and all yesterday evening and night I had teenagers hammering on the door and window, threatening, abusive, demanding I supply them with ‘weed’, alcohol, cigarettes and money. None of which I had, or ever have, but they don’t comprehend ‘no’. ‘No’ is just a challenge to be treatened and overcome. The police? The police don’t come to ‘domestics’ around here and I have to say I didn’t sleep a wink last night. Tonight I have been moved to arrange a sleepover somewhere else, just to avoid the scene. But what can I do? As soon as I go out there with a bat they’ve got me on GBH. If I don’t answer their hammering, I’ll have no windows, no door, and no home.
There are no deterants anymore where I currently live. The police ‘caution’ does nothing. There is no respect among these extortionists and intimidators; no shame; no honor; and no mercy; and I can’t help feeling the people in these gangs don’t know what it’s like to be knocked down a peg by a parent, a teacher, or the (LOL) law. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to stand up to tyrants and give ‘em what for. I’ve invited a friend over tonight so at least it’s two against four. But I’m apprehensive, and yes – scared. I don’t want a trip to the jail, the hospital… or the morgue.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:46 am
About list item #8, I work with people with mental disabilities; people with Autism seem to be bothered by fluorescent lighting. The theary is that they are more aware of the constant flickering and hum that most people can’t really sense. Even the compact fluorescents appear to annoy them. Possibly the dimness or color spectrum of the light itself bothers them.
I can believe this. When I was expecting my first baby, whenever I was in a building that had fluorescent bulbs I would get sick and vomit. It took me a little while to make the connection between the cause and affect, but it was definitely the lighting.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Cool list, but I must give my opinion by saying that putting a ban on spanking children does not reduce child abuse. That is ridiculous.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:52 am
I am a mother of two, with my oldest being 3 years old. That being said, I do not agree with the ban on spanking a child as a form of punishment. There is a definite difference between spanking and abusing and I think to call them both equal is ridiculous. My daughter’s punishments are 1) warning that said behavior will not be tolerated, then 2) time out for repeating the behavior. If she continues to disobey, then she gets a spanking and another time out. I do not beat my child. A swat on the butt is not going to kill her, nor will it leave a lasting mark.
One of the great tragedies I see is kids making the rules and threats to their parents. I actually heard a little girl in a Target once scream at her mother “I’m going to call the police because you spanked me! You’re gonna go to jail!!” Anyone ever read 1984?
You can’t punish your children in any way in public for fear of someone calling child services and being put under investigation. As a result, kids aren’t learning that there are serious consequences for misbehaving and more and more we are seeing out of control kids and parents who can’t cope.
The point is, punish those who abuse their children by all means, but no government should be allowed to tell me how to parent.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:53 am
1. Singapore bans smoking indoors as well.
2. Singapore outlaws oral sex.
3. Singapore bans ownership of pornography.
4. Singapore bans consumption of food in its metro stations.
All are punishable by fines or jail or both! What a FINE city!
August 5th, 2009 at 7:59 am
@mom424 (61):
Hmmm, i’m not sure i’m buying the ‘no other choice’ argument. Maybe when i have my own kids i’ll change my mind, but at the moment i’d like to think that their are always other ways to get through to a child without smacking them.
Also the argument still stands, i fail to see how you can tell a child that violence is not acceptable and then smack them when he/she’s misbehaving. Is that not conveying that violence is o.k if your finding it hard to get your way?
August 5th, 2009 at 8:02 am
@Lauren (72): I loved your comment. Well said. Children are smart enough to know the difference between spanking and beating at any age. I spank my children on rare occasion, but they are never beaten. And the kicker: They know they are loved!
August 5th, 2009 at 8:02 am
I remember visiting a police station once as part of a school trip. The cop was telling us how they respond to certain calls. “If we walk into a house and the kid’s head is on the opposite side of the room as their body, do nothing, it might just be dicipline.”
August 5th, 2009 at 8:04 am
“Authorities celebrated the ban by igniting a bonfire of cigarettes in the capital city and hanging banners across the main thoroughfare urging people to kick the habit.”
Did nobody else find this funny?
Great list, Blogball. Keep em coming!
August 5th, 2009 at 8:07 am
@archiealt (74): Spanking is not violence. If you aren’t going to spank your children when you have them, then I also suggest that you never let them play with toy guns either… some people say that leads to violence. Which is also ridiculous. Children are smarter than most people give them credit for.
August 5th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Toronto, Canada has begun taking steps to remove plastic bags from every business in the city. Every business currently has to charge 5 cents per plastic bag. As well the LCBO (provincial run booze shop) has removed all plastic bags and now only carries paper bags.
I know this new law has made me think twice about asking for a bag. 5 cents isn’t much but its a start. I think they should just ban them all together.
August 5th, 2009 at 8:28 am
@archiealt
Well, until you have kids… Spanking as a means of discipline is not violence.
August 5th, 2009 at 8:30 am
@chershey (68):
Try telling that to the choking dolphin
August 5th, 2009 at 8:48 am
As a baby, I fell down stairs in a baby walker and injured my head. These things are dangerous.
August 5th, 2009 at 8:50 am
@deepthinker (78):
To your child, of course spanking is violence. Maybe on a small scale, but violence none the less.
Children follow the actions of their parents. I’m a great believer that you are a product of your environment, and that most of the things you are as an adult can in someway be traced back to what happened to you as a child. So it seems logical to me that when a child is smacked by his parents for misbehaving, it conveys to that child ,consciously or subconsciously, that when someone is not acting in a manner that you approve of, smacking them is a way of getting them to do so. I will ask the question again, how can it be o.k to tell your child not to hit his siblings when they are annoyed, and then smack that child when you yourself are annoyed?
I also feel that if a child does something you don’t like , and you hit them, and they don’t do it again, thats not much of a victory. I would like to think that a child wont do something thats wrong because he/she knows its wrong, and because i as their parent have asked them not to, not through fear of pain. An idealistic and somewhat simplistic view maybe, but there you go.
August 5th, 2009 at 8:51 am
I would support a few of these, and question some. Whilst I don’t think smacking should be the primary form of child discipline (when incredibly naughty), I do think however that it shouldn’t be banned so long as it does not result to child abuse.
Humans learn from pleasure and pain right?
August 5th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Okay, I’m giving everyone here who still wants to spank their kids a Time Out! That’ll teach ya…
Seriously though, I didn’t know so many people would be in favor of spanking. I guess it depends on your experience as a parent and your ’style’ of parenting…
August 5th, 2009 at 9:14 am
@damien_karras (43): The ban on smoking in restaurants is ridiculous. Here in Jersey there was a coalition of restaurant/bar owners who tried to stop it. I agree that they shouldn’t be forced to ban it. It’s THEIR place of business. At worst, let them put a sign outside that says “WE ALLOW SMOKING” so the public is forewarned.
I disagree. “Their” business caters to the general public. The general public has a right to breath (relatively) clean air when patronizing public establishments. It is the act of smoking that is the privilege not a right, because doing it can adversely affect someone else against their will. So I see nothing wrong with limiting or banning its practice in public areas. To merely warn people with a sign is not the answer, because the non-smokers’ rights are still being violated. It’s not that they’d be able to “choose” whether to enter or not, it’s that they are basically being forced to choose not to, and the logical follow-up to that is: what if every place had a sign? If the business owner wants to insist upon allowing smoking on his premises, then he should relocate out of a commercial area and become a private club with access via membership fees or what have you.
@Bryan (62): if there is such a great demand for non-smoking bars/nightclubs, why do virtually none exist (except where forced, obviously)? Business owners are absolutely within their rights to not allow smoking on their premises, so why haven’t any done so?
Most likely because they think it would negatively affect their ability to compete profitably with neighboring businesses that continue to allow it. And maybe that’s true. So that’s why I support laws to ban it because if no business is able to allow it, then that element of the debate becomes moot.
August 5th, 2009 at 9:22 am
@chershey (68): I’m amazed at how many people don’t seem to realize that plastic bags are just as recyclable as paper bags.
Paper decomposes rapidly and has very little effect on nature. Some rain and paper bag is almost destroyed. Little fire and paper bag turns into ashes. Water has no effect on plastic bags and fire turns them into chemical hazard
August 5th, 2009 at 9:27 am
On #4 it should be lose, not “loose”. Yay for grammar. Anywhoo, it’s good that they put a ban on super skinny models, for one the obvious health problems that can occur and young girls trying to emulate the runway model look, but you would also think that people would want to market their products to a more realistic crowd. I mean, seriously, how many people, other than models themselves, are that skinny?
Oh, and I got spanked, and I turned out just fine. I think that kids are spoiled nowadays. Perfect example, I was the first born grandchild and for 3 years, I was the only one.
One aunt and uncle of mine saw how I was disciplined and claimed they’d never spank their kids. Now my cousin, their daughter, is a 19 year old alcoholic, who started when she was 13 and lost her virginity that young, has experimented with drugs, is in debt, and is just filled with negative attitude. And now her parents are asking me and my husband to ‘talk to her and see if you can straigten her out’.
Huh. Funny how things turn out, you know?
August 5th, 2009 at 9:28 am
@DC (10): I was a very naughty child and the only thing that would teach me a lesson was a quick slap.
So you would do something bad, parent would smack you and you would never do that thing again? Cool!
@Lifeschool (69):
Are you saying that these teenagers were never spanked? How do you know?
August 5th, 2009 at 9:34 am
When you smack a child out of annoyance, that is when it should be considered child abuse. Only when the child does something he is told not to do should there be consequences. It shouldn’t be used in every situation, I agree, because sometimes a firm grab to the shoulder and a stern look into the eyes can get a point across as well. My neice and nephews get more out of that than other discipline.
August 5th, 2009 at 9:35 am
@mom424 (64):
Quebec has had a ban on smoking indoors for a while now. Also, I think it’s ridiculous you think hitting your kid with a belt as a last resort is acceptable. Most people would not even do this to their dogs! Just glad im not your kid.
August 5th, 2009 at 9:40 am
I hate compact fluorescent bulbs and will never use them!
August 5th, 2009 at 9:44 am
@Lifeschool (69):
This makes no sense. Those violent teens you speak of were most likely beaten by their parents which messed them up and are now banging on your windows looking for drugs.
August 5th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Honestly I’ve seen both sides of the story in spanking and I have to tell you that not hitting kids is the way to go. It teaches the kids that violence is ok as long as you don’t leave any marks for the cops to see. My friend was abused as a child and you know what happened? Her dad would tell her that it was just a little slap and he still loved her. Shes 16 now and her dad tried to smother her with a pillow for not cleaning the hallway. They did not call the cops and when she told me she begged me not to, you know why? Because they said thats he just gets very angry and he’ll be back to normal. It is sickening to hear of all this shit and if you think that spanking is all that some people would do then you need to open your eyes a bit.
August 5th, 2009 at 9:52 am
@Maggot (86): These “private clubs” you refer to already exist. They’re called “cigar bars” and they are located in commercial zones. The “it’s a privilege not a right to smoke” statement is a bit dodgy. I don’t remember filling out a government form to secure a license to smoke in my home. As to my sign idea and the fact that it forces people to go somewhere else, well, don’t we do this everyday when we see something we don’t like on TV and change the channel?
August 5th, 2009 at 9:56 am
@Bob (66): You are a Blatant homosexuall. That needs a right good spanking!
August 5th, 2009 at 10:08 am
@Kage (90):
‘Only when the child does something he is told not to do should there be consequences.’
Is that not corporal punishment, something which i think we all agree is a bad thing. Studies have shown it has no greater affect than other forms of discipline. Whats more it may lead to aggression and a lowering of the child’s self esteem.
@ Mom424
Like ‘Sof’(91)i am also somewhat shocked that you feel its acceptable to use a belt on your child. Just because it yielded immediate results that does not mean it was a good method of parenting.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:10 am
@oouchan (51):
Actually, dear, it’s not a fact but a stereotype brought on by a handful of stupid owners (in comparison to a much larger community of responsible dog owners) and by the media… of course, they’re going to run the story of a pit bull, german shepard, boxer, etc. attacking a person rather than the more common dachshunds and jack russels because which inspires more fear-mongering?
I told you before that I used to foster dogs, remember? Did I tell you I took in a half-pit, half-lab? He was actually my favorite of all the dogs I took in. It was actually one of the “smallest” dogs I took in (as a 35lb Blue-tick hound, she wasn’t small but I wasn’t really into the small ones. I never took home a chihuahua because I was always afraid of sitting on it, haha) who bit me and would’ve tried more if I hadn’t subdued her fast enough. I’ve put my hand in the pit’s mouth a number of times (to administer medication) and all that happened was his “yucky” face.
quick aside:
Blogblall, I always love seeing your lists posted and I love the discussion in this comment board!
August 5th, 2009 at 10:17 am
You should really change the picture on 8 to an incandescent bulb instead of a fluorescent one.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Thanks for the comments everyone. I was really looking forward to the comments on this one because of the great international community of Listversers. When I was researching the spanking ban I noticed that many countries use the term smacking instead of spanking. I know they mean the same but for some reason a smacking seems like it would hurt more than a spanking. frushka #38 I feel the same way. When I was a kid and the circus came to town I would love to watch the traditional trunk to tail walk into the tents as well as the other animal acts. I never gave it a second thought until recently when my 13 year old daughter lectured me about how all of the circus animals are grossly mistreated and I should never ever go to a circus with animals again. I didn’t like her tone of voice so I gave her a spanking and a smacking. (just kidding of course) but the circus animal part is true.
RSG & lowdog here is a picture of an American buttermilk biscuit from KFC. http://fastfoodcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/fast_food_kfc_biscuit_1.jpg
They are my favorite KFC food trans fat and all.
Thanks for posting the list Jamie
August 5th, 2009 at 10:35 am
I totally agree with banning smoking in workplaces – because it certainly infringes upon the worker’s rights to a healthy environment. But, I could never agree or abide something that banned cigarettes/tobacco completely. If you are an adult you should be able to get teh facts and decide for yourself.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Wow, the Nazis were the best. Heil Hitler.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:47 am
I personally think all ten of these things should be banned everywhere.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:48 am
@archiealt (83): Because you aren’t spakning them because you’re annoyed. You probably ARE annoyed, but that’s not why they’re in trouble. They’re in trouble for being bad. You can teach them not to hit because that’s not how you solve problems, but you can teach them spanking is a consquence of actions. It helps if you ask a child WHY they are being spanked- 9 out of 10 times they know the answer.
“I would like to think that a child wont do something thats wrong because he/she knows its wrong, and because i as their parent have asked them not to, not through fear of pain.” That’s an idealistic veiw for adults too. I drank before 21, even though I knew my parents dispproved and I knew it was wrong. However, after heavy nights of drinking and the subsequent hangover/puking everything, I didn’t drink for awhile because I know the consequences. Also, sometimes consequences are the best teachers. You can tell a kid a stove is hot until you’re blue in the face, and they’ll still try to grab something. The day they do…you can make a good bet they won’t anymore.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:49 am
@moonbeam (70) That makes so much sense! As an epileptic I’ve always been bothered by bright flourescents and even bright LED’s, whereas incandescent bulbs seem more natural and flourescents feel so artificial.
@nick (94) That’s abuse, not a swat on the hand or cheek. Different kids respond to different ways of discipline. I am not for smacking someone with a belt. No, the correct way is if they’re touching or reaching for something that’s dangerous or they can’t have, a light swat on the wrist tells them it is not ok to do what they are doing. If they further violate the rules, send them to their room or force them to hold your hand if you’re away from home. The way I was raised was with a swat to the cheek every time I did something wrong, and then I wouldn’t do it again. But I am not particularly for spanking in the sense of hitting on the arse. That was a particularly bad experience for me, and you don’t want to leave an imprint (a mental imprint) of the experience so they have bad memories when they’re older.
But let’s not forget the entire point of discipline: It is to teach kids what not to do AND to have respect for authority. The kids who do not follow the law today and are out gangbanging were not disciplined right, whether it be too much, or too little. And that’s the reality of it.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Well, achiealt, speaking as a ’survivor’ of corporal punishment, I feel that I was raised just fine; my self esteem is intact, and I am far from violent. I feel that I a normal member of society with out any bad memories, daddy issues, or bad feelings toward my parents who raised me in such a way. I do respect your opinion, and if you don’t mind me asking, do you have any children? And if you do, what discipline techniques do you use or what would you use?
August 5th, 2009 at 10:51 am
@gabi319 (98): Thank you! I often wrestle somewhat roughly with my pit and when I put my hand in her mouth it just kind of hangs out there. Granted, her teeth are filed down pretty far (she was a bait dog in a fighting ring) so even if she bit me I’m not sure I’d know about it, but she’s more than happy to just let my hand be- even when she’s feeling like a big strong dog.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:51 am
@damien_karras (95): These “private clubs” you refer to already exist. They’re called “cigar bars” and they are located in commercial zones.
Eh that works for me. Yeah I know, it’s not the “perfect” solution and the work-around is susceptible to malicious abuses (such as in the days of prohibition), but just something along those lines.
The “it’s a privilege not a right to smoke” statement is a bit dodgy. I don’t remember filling out a government form to secure a license to smoke in my home.
Well that’s true of any “licensable” activity (or most I’d say; perhaps there are exceptions). You wouldn’t need a hunting/fishing license or a driver’s license to do those things on your private property either for example. Bars/restaurants need a liquor license, but you don’t need one to serve it at your home. I wasn’t advocating the need to be licensed in order to smoke btw. And before you go there – drinking in a restaurant is not the same as smoking because the act of doing it (responsibly) does not affect neighboring patrons.
As to my sign idea and the fact that it forces people to go somewhere else, well, don’t we do this everyday when we see something we don’t like on TV and change the channel?
Apples to oranges. Your TV example is more like saying we can choose not to eat at a restaurant if we don’t like their food, or even the music they play. I’d agree with that comparison but then I’d say what’s your point? Those are personal choices with regard to personal tastes and enjoyment, whereas the smoking thing is a health-related hazard.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:52 am
@damien_karras (95): These “private clubs” you refer to already exist. They’re called “cigar bars” and they are located in commercial zones.
Eh that works for me. Yeah I know, it’s not the “perfect” solution and the work-around is susceptible to malicious abuses (such as in the days of prohibition), but just something along those lines.
The “it’s a privilege not a right to smoke” statement is a bit dodgy. I don’t remember filling out a government form to secure a license to smoke in my home.
Well that’s true of any “licensable” activity (or most I’d say; perhaps there are exceptions). You wouldn’t need a hunting/fishing license or a driver’s license to do those things on your private property either for example. Bars/restaurants need a liquor license, but you don’t need one to serve it at your home. I wasn’t advocating the need to be licensed in order to smoke btw. And before you go there – drinking in a restaurant is not the same as smoking because the act of doing it (responsibly) does not affect neighboring patrons.
As to my sign idea and the fact that it forces people to go somewhere else, well, don’t we do this everyday when we see something we don’t like on TV and change the channel?
Apples to oranges. Your TV example is more like saying we can choose not to eat at a restaurant if we don’t like their food, or even the music they play. I’d agree with that comparison but then I’d say what’s your point? Those are personal choices with regard to personal tastes and enjoyment, whereas the smoking thing is a health-related hazard.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:52 am
oops, sorry for the double post…
August 5th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Re # 4: All I can say is WOW. Only green leaves and diet Coke (I´m thinking another type of “coke” was also ingested) for three months? These girls are CRAZY.
That said, I think some people have taken this concept to the opposite extreme. Think plus sized models. I´m all for embracing different body types… HEALTHY body types. Just as the super skinny model is not healthy because she does not eat, some of these plus sized models are not healthy because they dont eat a balanced diet and they dont excercise! You´re setting yourself up for a heart attack! Why cant we show slender, athletic women? Women with curves and a little muscle?
August 5th, 2009 at 11:07 am
@Maggot (110):
All excellent points my friend. Can you believe at the American Legion I’m a member of we set up a closed circuit camera system so we could see if the Fire Marshall was coming in? All so we can hang at the bar and smoke. It’s been working ok so far, hehehe.
August 5th, 2009 at 11:42 am
@Bob (66): Bob. I was only joking.
August 5th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
@nick (94): Well then how do you think misbehaving children should be disciplined? Or do you believe that children should not be disciplined at all?
August 5th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Anti-smoking activists are Nazis.
Godwin’s law. Argument is now closed.
August 5th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
As someone who was spanked many times as a child, I don’t see a problem with it. Hitting, punching, kicking, and so forth yes, but spanking is a good way to discipline children. If children aren’t disciplined in a meaningful way, they never learn respect for authority and what you end up with is jail cells full of adults used to doing whatever they like. A little spanking won’t hurt a kid, and sometimes its the only way to get through to them.
August 5th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
I’m pretty sure Canada’s either banned plastic bags in grocery stores or at least working on lessening their usage. Every grocery store I go in now doesn’t have plastic bags, whereas virtually every other place does. -_-
August 5th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
My older brother and sister and I were all spanked / smacked, as a last resort and usually only when we had been doing something truly damaging and dangerous. Time-outs sometimes worked on my siblings but never on me, because I had a great imagination and I enjoyed time to sit by myself and come up with stories. And “no” did not work on my brother, nor did any amount of explaining why he shouldn’t do certain things; he just saw it as a challenge. In order to stop, he had to know that there would be consequences.
We are all three well-adjusted, confident, successful adults. My sister has a great career and three very happy kids, who she disciplines just as we were disciplined; my brother has a great career and a baby on the way; and I am a college student. We all have good self-esteem and we are extremely close to our father. None of us has EVER shown the slightest inclination toward violence of any kind.
I’m sorry, I just don’t buy that spanking damages children and teaches them violence. ABUSE can do that, but children know the difference between that and a well-deserved spanking, which will cause no damage of any kind. The children I’ve known who weren’t spanked were, as a general rule, out of control and had no respect for boundaries. When I have children, I will use time-outs and grounding whenever possible, but I will use spanking as a last resort.
August 5th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
The people that believe spanking children is abuse are probably the same ones who believe we shouldn’t mark tests in red ink for fear it will damage their little psyches.
August 5th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
@archiealt(83)
We will see you change your mind when you have kids. Otherwise, let us all know when you get your psychology degree. Peace!
August 5th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
@sammy (41): that’s a good one. no one wants to see your butt hanging out of your pants
August 5th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
“green leaves and diet coke “?
Howbout the more popular diet of “cigerettes and cocaine”?
Now there’s a model of excellence!
You know what should be banned? Cops with tasers.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
@Realist (119): really? that’s interesting. because i think the red ink thing is stupid and im all for a ban on spanking. Spanking your children just shows that the only way you’ve taught your kids to communicate is through physical pain. which is clearly not a good thing.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
@123. “just shows that the only way you’ve taught your kids to communicate is through physical pain.”
Oh. Of course. Clearly.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
@callie19 (58): LOL-thanks for the little quiz. I went through almost every dog before I found the pit. My friend has a pit bull, and she is great. A very friendly, lovable pooch. I dog sit for her when they are out of town, and the only problem I have is trying to get my half of the bed.
When you have problems with a dog, it is people problems. Bred specific bans make no sense. People who raise dogs to fight and be aggressive should be put in jail.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Cool list. I just got thru listening to a story on NPR about a possible ban on e-cigarettes. I had never even heard of them.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111578997
August 5th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Loved the list, makes you realize that we’re not as free as we’d like to think.
The only thing I’ll put my 2 cents in on is the smoking ban (and yes, I am a smoker) I think it is a right, and not a privilege. The Government allows it to be grown, allows it to be sold, and collects an assload of tax dollars on it. No one seems to realize that if they ban it totally, they lose all that revenue and they won’t just let it go, they will simply start in on something else.
Again though, great list.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
@ Mark(40): Dingos are a mixed bag. Yes, they are predators, but they are naturally shy of humans. As far as I know, the biggest problems come from hybrid dingos/dogs, which tend to be larger and less shy of humans. Even so, domestic dogs such as pit bulls and rottweilers (?spelling) cause more attacks, injuries and deaths simply because they interact with humans (and vice versa) more regularly. Dingo attacks are centred on tourist areas like Fraser Island and Uluru/Ayers Rock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo#Attacks_on_humans (with the usually apology for relying on wikipedia as a convenient but lazy source)
August 5th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I find the spanking ban completely unnecessary. Everytime i walk in the street i see a spoiled mass of children dragging their parents to toy or candy shops, crying if their “needs” aren’t met. What do the parents do? They smile and say no, while their precious child makes a scene that would embarass anyone with half a brain.
Personally, i was the calmest of my mother’s sons and never really got smacked in the cheeck or in the butt, but my older brother was something you can only describe as being a crazy motherfucker who disobeyed every order he was given while showing you “the finger”. In the end, my mother had to give him some smacks to put him in place. Nowadays, he’s the perfect citizen who had the best grades in his class.
Child abuse is unjustifiable. So is overreacting. The argument “how can you tach them violence is bad if you spank them?” is so flawed it doesn’t even deserve an answer – besides this one, ofc
August 5th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
sorry, but i didn’t read all the comments…because i was too excited to share something…
i am living proof that corporal punishment & spankings don’t work. they had very little effect on me correcting my behavior for whatever offense warranted said spankings.
the threat of spankings after years of spankings was no deterrent to mischief, naughtiness, & back talking my parents.
my parents became alcoholics when i was 8 years old and the spanking blatantly advanced to beatings, since i would not cry out during a spanking. often times, i would laugh, which only infuriated them more & hence lead to worse beatings.
by the time i was 14, my mother would spank with a leather belt across the back of my thighs. sometimes she’d miss and crack me with the buckle. ever see welts from a metal belt buckle? not sexy.
i have the physical scars & police records to prove it. nothing like knowing there is a picture of you in some police record room in Illinois with irish sunglasses…
my mother even strangle dme once with the sweater i was wearing,. when the police took me to the hospital, the staff incorrectly put me on suicide watch, because the marks on my throat where consistent with those of a self-hanging. thankfully, the officer who brought me in told them the truth. i still have a bit of a scar running across my neck…
but all purging aside, i’m sure that for certain children spanking will work as a deterrent to future behaviors. for me, it was not. if anything, it only made me devious & perfected my lying skills.
what of the corporal punishment in school? it gained me notoriety as the girl who talked out of turn & could take 20 licks with the paddle & not even flinch…made me a bit of a schoolyard hero, i must say. actually, i think it made me a bit of a bossy bully.
the craziest outcome of all that childhood paddling? i’m into S&M and i LOVE being spanked with belts in the bedroom.
no lie.
rtr
August 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
@illbegood (127): I’ll put my 2 cents in on is the smoking ban (and yes, I am a smoker) I think it is a right, and not a privilege.
I think you are referring to my post, as I first made this remark. To clarify, yes you (currently) have the right to smoke tobacco. The privilege factor is in where you would be allowed to do it. IMO you do NOT have the right to do it anywhere you please, and I support governing laws to that effect.
The Government allows it to be grown, allows it to be sold, and collects an assload of tax dollars on it. No one seems to realize that if they ban it totally, they lose all that revenue
And that’s why it is not under consideration to be totally banned (talking in the U.S. here). There is definitely a double-standard being applied when it comes to banning other proven dangerous carcinogens but not tobacco sales and use. Having said this, note that I am not advocating the outright ban of tobacco products. I don’t really care if you want to increase the risk of killing yourself via its use, just don’t introduce that risk to me.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
@oouchan (39):
let me tell you that pit bulls & pit bull mixes have been banned to be owned, sold, transfered, or even driven throiugh Maimi Dade County since 1989.
& guess what? nothing has resulted form it but a bunch of dead dogs, veterinarians who lie, and good people who get in trouble with the law!
just on the news tonight a mail carrier was bitten by a pit bull. in Miami. so what will happen? doggie goes to animal control, is quarantined for 10 days, then destroyed. pays with it’s life for it’s owners ignorance.
animal control out here is so inundated & ignorant, they call a white boxer a pit bull, euthanised a bull terrier because they thought it was a pit bull & it was a CHAMPION SHOW DOG, & yet now the criminal element that favors pit bulls is now acquiring far more dangerous dogs, such as Cane Corsos, African Boerbuls, & Rottweilers.
Breed Specific Legislation doesn’t work. Even an Akita or Schnauzer can inflict horrific wounds on a person. and guess what? recently, the Dachshund was proclaimed the most aggressive dog! yes! based on human attacks! look here if you don’t believe me =
http://hubpages.com/hub/Vicious-Dachshunds
as we say here in Florida, “Ban the DEED, not the BREED!”
there just simply has to be a better way to regulate WHOM gets the dogs, not the dogs themselves. because, trust me, as a veterinary technician & dog trainer, i would rather work on 5 dominance aggressive pit bulls than 1 fear aggressive dachshund!
rtr
August 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
here’s a more reliable source for the evil doxies…
http://fortheloveofthedogblog.com/news-updates/the-most-aggressive-dog-breeds-dachshund-1
rtr
August 5th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
@ringtailroxy (130):
That was a very unique post because it took me through so many emotions. Anger, disgust, sadness, surprise and titillation all in one comment.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
I remember when I went to Singapore back in 2003 and 2005, while I was in the Marines, they mentioned something about gum. I didn’t think it was banned but I remember them saying at least don’t spit your gum or spit at all.
They also told us to never do that in Okinawa as well but we seen the locals do it all the time.
What was funny about Singapore is that in one bar we went to had, what looked like a menu in the middle of the table, was a list of punishments for different drug offenses. Either possession or use. Their punishments were crazy. 1st time offense for trafficking a certain amount of drugs is death.
They don’t play games there.
From Wikipedia:
“Anyone caught with more than or equal to 15 g (0.5 ounces) of heroin, 28 g (1 ounce) of morphine or 480 g (17 ounces) of cannabis faces mandatory capital punishment, as they are deemed to be trafficking in these substances. The stated quantities are the net weight of the substances after they have been isolated by laboratory analysis. Between 1991 and 2004, 400 people were hanged in Singapore, mostly for drug trafficking, the highest per-capita execution rate in the world.”
August 5th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
What no mention of Russias ban on emo clothing or music in public places!?
August 5th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
How about banning of Facebook and Myspace at work? Just joking. I don’t care actually and don’t use them at work anyway but the U.S. Government has already banned them from work computers for civil and military personal. Can’t even check Yahoo/Hotmail emails. I guess its a security threat.
It’s only a matter of time before they ban List Verse.
)
August 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
@mom424 (45):
I’m 17 and my parents have never laid a finger on me. I have got top grades and never caused a more than your normal amount of school child trouble. Do you know how they achieved this? Not through acts of psychical violence but through communicating with me, reasoning and explaining. I do as I’m asked and respect people because I’ve been bought up with morals and manners – not any forms of violence.
I don’t know how you can really justify your actions. Perhaps if you were more creative with your thoughts you may be able to think up a more affective way to punish your child rather than to inflict obvious pain and humiliation on him.
From my perspective the people in my town which are causing the fights, stealing and generally making it an unpleasant place to be are the one’s who have been hit as children, subjected to similar things as your son. I had friends like this, they end up scared which in turn makes them angry and causes a complete lack of respect for authority. You can’t teach someone that violence is wrong and then go ahead and use it, how confusing is that!
This is just purely my opinion and I am all for the smacking ban. If my dad/mum had hit me as a child (especially with something like a belt!) I can guarantee you I would’ve been out my front door like a shot when I turned 16.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
@maggot (132) Yes, that is what I am talking about. However (again, talking here in the States) I think the ban in certain establishments is also wrong. If YOU own a bar, restaurant, etc. and you want it to be non smoking, that is your right, but on the other hand, if you want to allow smoking as well, again, that should be your right. Just us our right to disagree here, no animosity, no grudge, no name calling (despite your name lol)
August 5th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
@ringtailroxy (134):
Thanks for the interesting link. I’m still surprised that Dachshunds are at #1 I have a Miniature Dachshund and never had any problems with him but my vet said the only time she has been bitten really badly it was by a Dachshund. The only problem I have is teaching him not to pee in the house. I know he knows to go outside. It seems like he does it fore spite.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
If tobacco use was discovered or invented today, I’m pretty sure it would be banned all over the world, due to the severe addiction and health hazards it causes. It would probably be right up there with cocain and heroin as one of the most dangerous drugs. I, for one, would welcome a global ban on tobacco, as addiction to the vile stuff has ruined my lungs and my general health. If selling tobacco was illegal, it would be easier for me to quit, I’m sure.
About circus animals: In Sweden, only wild animals (like tigers, snakes, sea-lions, african elephants) are banned from performing in the circus; domestic animals (like horses, dogs, donkeys and indian elephants) are still allowed to entertain the children. Also, the living quarters of the circus animals are regularly inspected by a government official.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Even though I am against the spanking bans, I must say as an afterthought that it depends on the personality of the child. My daughter responds well to a simple spank every now and again. My son, however, responds better to having privileges and possessions taken away from him.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
@dbrownl (1): yeah that law was passed in pictou county nova sctia my parents live there
August 5th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
@Swede (142):
Hi Swede, just curious: Why are african elephants banned and indian elephants not banned? Are they considered domestic?
August 5th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
i think the not in favor of the spanking ban, but that doesnt mean i approve either. i know bit confusing. i see nothing wrong with tapping a kid on the fingers or on the butt if they do something wrong, BUT only if timeout, and any other form of dicipline has been tried and didnt work, and even then done sparingly. also i belive on or two taps are sufficient and key word here is taps not slaps or whatever. its not really the hitting that is the punishment here its more of a pride thing. kids do learn not to do bad things if they think they will be punished. I dont think
belts or any other objects should be used as this is abuse! excessive force should never be used, in other words, if it hurts you or stings your hand, or leaves a mark or welt in anyway, then u r hitting way to hard! now as a child i can count on one hand how many times my parents resorted to spanking, i would say an average of once every 5 years, and to be frank i deserved it each time. however there are many people who unneccesarily hit their children for very minor things.this is not acceptable. i understand that government is trying to protect kids from abuse but theres a huge step between discipline and abuse. parents do have the right to discipline their children as they see fit and i dont think the gov has the right to intervine, as long as the child is not in any danger and that disipline is not extreme. now on the other side of this is that gov is protecting kids from physical abuse but what about emotional? all too often i see parents who dont hit their kids cos “its abuse” but then scream their heads off at them, cursing and swearing at them, or calling them names, how is that any better?
August 5th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
#6: Can’t possibly be true, or at least that controversial. There have been a number of Indian films since 2005 which shows smoking without any warning, e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53D_Qs1C6k4 (2007) &
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp697cTAIMU (2006) which includes this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDHke6gJWEg
NB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beedi
August 5th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
my opinon on transfats is tthat people should have the right to choose whether they want to eat them or not. the government has NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to mandate whether or not i can have transfats in my dinner. i personally prefer flavor in my food so i am for transfats. its pretty bad when you have to go to mexico just to get decent freh fries these days.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Weighing on the spanking matter.
1. Children know the difference between a smack and violence. I moved to smack my 3 yr old, he dodged and I ended up connecting just above his knee. He burst into tears and yelled “SMACK MUMMY! NO HITTING!” Even at 3, he knows the difference.
2. I was spanked as a kid. My father still tells me that his proudest moment was when I was 7 and got busted doing something (and busted badly, there was no wriggle room to talk my way out of it) and while he’s yelling at me, I held my hand for a smack. Why was he proud? Because he knew he had taught me that actions have consequences and that I was prepared to face those consequences.
Are there other ways he could have done it? Not for me. Take anything you like away from me, I’d find something to amuse myself with happy. Take my toys away, I read. Take my books away, I drew. Send me to the laundry where all I couldn’t get to anything that I could play with? I’d lay on a pile of washing and daydream.
My younger brother on the other hand, was also spanked and it had no effect on him whatsoever. Thinking back, I think the ‘go to the laundry’ punishment came into being because he didn’t respond to spanking, being sent to his room, banned from toys/tv/other fun stuff.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
@this is me (148): the government has NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to mandate whether or not i can have transfats in my dinner.
“the government” is not doing that. What they are mandating is the amount of allowable transfats in food products being sold to consumers. Just as they would mandate limits or bans on other ingredients that are deemed unsafe for human consumption (hello Red Dye #2). But if you want to drink a gallon of transfat oil with your dinner, no one is stopping you.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
@GTT (112):
I think it depends on what type of modelling the plus sizer is doing.
Whitney Thompson: size 8-10
Natalie Laughlin: size 12
…not as plus-sized as one would expect. These are actually well within the healthy range.
@callie19 (108): when I put my hand in her mouth it just kind of hangs out there
Haha, not with my dog (he has long since been adopted, but I still call him “my dog”). He’d use his tongue to push my hand out and make a face as if he just tasted bad milk. I miss him lots but at least he went to a great home. Of all the dogs that stayed with me at one point or other, the pit mix was probably the gentlest of them all (perhaps ’sissy bear’ may be more appropriate? He hid under my bed whenever it thundered).
@Blogball (141): The only problem I have is teaching him not to pee in the house. I know he knows to go outside. It seems like he does it fore spite.
I had one smart-ass dog who peed on my boots. When he was done, I swear he looked at me with a triumphant gleam in his eyes. I later showed him who was boss by getting him neutered. (actually, spay & neuter is policy for all dogs the foster program took in.)
Uh-oh… Looks like someone is trying to mark his territory…
August 5th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
@gabi319 (151): I had one smart-ass dog who peed on my boots…I later showed him who was boss by getting him neutered.
Note to self: do NOT pee on gabi’s boots.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
I hope they ban everything.
It’s just more laws for me to break.
August 5th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Gabi, he has already had that done. Any suggestions on what else I can take away from him?
August 5th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
What about MMA?
August 5th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
I’m a smoker (it’s disgusting, I know), but I support smoking bans in indoor public areas, restaurants, pubs, within 15 feet of a building entrance, near schools and playgrounds and in vehicles where small children are present. Although I don’t believe that the sale of tobacco should be prohibited (personal freedoms and all that), I’m perfectly okay with its use being regulated. If we’re going to smoke, we can do it outside or in our own homes. It’s MY habit — why should everyone else have to deal with it?
Spanking is okay so long as it’s done with an open palm, isn’t hard enough to cause lasting pain, injury or bruising/welts, and is only a last-resort punishment.
August 5th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Ex smoker and against all bans on it….
As for the spanking I can remember sitting with my 4 yr old daughter at a Downtown bus stop and she was acting up (and that is putting it politly) She got a swift smack on the ass for it! So lite was the smack that i dont think she felt it. But was more scared by the fact I did that. Now to the point of all this! As soon as I did this a lady about 20 years younger the god stepped forward and reemed me out for spanking my kid and that we do not do that here in Canada! I looked at her and and told her that at least it was my hand! Not like in her day when they had the kid go out back and get there own switch for punishment! She said “that was different” That’s all she said “that was different” Yes it was different! Her kids have grown up respectfull and and well mannered(OK that is a assumption) My 14 yr old kid…..sheesh.New topic there (love her to death none the less!)
August 5th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Like it or not, skinny models are HOT!!!
August 5th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
@Blogball (154): Any suggestions on what else I can take away from him?
Reduce the size of his indoor territory, don’t give him free run of the entire house. Keep him in your sight at all times (easier with the smaller area, such as just your main TV-room area or wherever you hang out) and take him outside to do his business more often, whether he wants to or not. In other words, don’t wait for him to tell you he has to go out (if he does tell you, give praise). Once outside, if/when he goes, give tons of praise. If he doesn’t go, don’t give any feedback positive or negative. The idea is you are basically having to start over from scratch, to positive-reinforce the desired behavior. Always heavy praise for job well done. Once he reconnects, you can gradually expand his indoor space. Takes some work. Good luck.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
In South Australia plastic bags are already banned.
it’s stupid.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
oh-in case I didn’t make this abundantly clear, I am completely against any form of physical punishment to children. no spanking, no face-slapping, and no physical threats or gestures that could be construed as precluding a strike of any kind. it doesn’t correct behavior-just makes the kid smarter at hiding the evidence of such behavior.
remove privileges, remove favorite activities or toys, & i just about guarantee your little hellspawn will behave.
i know that i was the dutchess of deception. no phone privileges? no problem…i’d ask to go to my friends house to study & use hers.
not allowed to wear make-up to school? no problems…i just shoplift it & stash it in my locker.
no television for a month? that’s okay. once parents asleep upstairs, i’d watch t.v. without sound.
take away my library card & rip all my paperback books to shreds? no problem. i was the one who took your family bible & threw it on the fireplace, not your abusive, daughter-touching, alcoholic husband, even though you blamed him & he actually thought he did it.
trust you me, we forget how smart we where as children. it’s the only way kids get away with so much…we forget. some sort of defense mechanism.
rtr
p.s. yes, i am jealous of all of you whom have loving family relationships. you are very fortunate. hard as it may be to believe, there are thousands upon thousands of children & teens whom live in terror, push dresser drawers against their bedroom door at night, & never sleep soundly. it was years before i didn’t awaken screaming & swinging if someone tried to wake me.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
On the whole…this list wasn’t that “controversial”…
August 5th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
blogball~
here is what i tell my clients (remember, i’m a dog trainer)
1.) make a daily doggie schedule & stick to it. it is much easier to train any dog on a predictable schedule. dogs thrive on routine.
the best reward of all is time with you. so use a crate, and if you take your pooch out to eliminate, and he doesn’t, then in the crate you go. after about 10 minutes, try again. but put leash on dog, walk dog outside to desired spot, and use a key word, such as “GO POTTY” or “HURRY UP”
2.) never allow your dog out of your sight. if you cannot physically be watching your dog, put it in it;s crate.
3.) use a crate properly. never use as a form of punishment. dogs do not desire to soil where they must rest or sleep.
4.) use crate daily. can’ watch doggie/ in crate you go. no big fanfare, simple. place dog in crate, close door, for first few days, NO PAPER, BLANKIES, or TOYS. (dogs will attempt to cover messes with these items)
5.) purchase a short leash. most PetSmarts sell 2 foot leads. when doggie is out of crate, place your foot thru the loop of leash, have leash on dog collar, & viola! instant bonding experience…where you go, dog goes. no accidents gonna happen with you there!
6.) never ever ever punish a dog after you find a mess. rubbing their nose in it only reinforces that yes, it is feces, and it is their feces. they know that.
if you catch your dog in the act, make a loud noise, such as clapping your hand or making a verbal sound of displeasure,. (do not say No) immediately take do goutside, take dog to same exact place of elimination every time, & lots of praise when dog eliminates outside. then clean up the mess inside with an odor eliminator, such as Nature’s Miracle.
lastly, avoid confusing doggie. no pee pee pads, newspaper, or anything indoors. you can’t say “DON”T GO IN THE HOUSE! but here, on this pee pee pad, is okay”
consitency, reward, & crating will help you reach your goal.
for every accident, you put yourself behind in training by 4-7 days.
2 weeks without an accident is not considered trained, a month minimum without even one accident can be your clue to allow more freedom in the house unattended while you are home.
hope this helps!
rtr
August 5th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Beating your child with a belt? C’mon people!? What’s wrong with you? Man i get so pissed whenever i hear shit like this.. Like someone wrote above, it’s possible to assure the respect of your child without violence.. And if you can’t do that then you have no right to have children as you are obviously not fit to raise a child. All forms of violence (not just under your own roof) are failures in communication.
The worst thing with the ban of smoking in bars is that now it smells of urine and farts instead. I think i prefer the smell of smoke over that, and im not a smoker…
Looking forward to reactions
August 5th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
parental spanking and paddling outlawed? how else are you going to put your kids in place?
August 5th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
south australia has already banned plastic bags.
and so far everyone is very happy
August 5th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
The guy in number 1 looks like he’s enjoying it just that little bit too much…
August 6th, 2009 at 1:27 am
its also illegal in australia to smoke in cars with kids in the bak but it not illegal for ylthe kids to be smokig WTF?
August 6th, 2009 at 2:05 am
61 flgh: I believe there are many other ways to discipline a child, most have already been mentioned: Take away possesion, time-out ect.
My parents used a lot of time talking with us when we did sometime bad, they explaned why it was bad and why we should’t be doing it and that worked. I had a lot of respect for my parents, and a lot of love, so I really did not want to dissapoint them, I just felt awful when my dad said he was dissapointed in my.
Taking away priviliges also really worked on me, if I had misbehaived, I would’t be allowed to play with my friend after school for a week, for instance, that really made me think twice about acting out.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:15 am
@jfrater (19):
I guess it more setting the boundary where a smack becomes more than a smack. I agree with you.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:45 am
I went to playschool with a child who had fallen into a fire while in one of those baby walkers.Part of it got caught on the fireplace so it took even longer for his parents to get him out and he was left with horrific facial scars as a result. I wonder what happened to that guy.
August 6th, 2009 at 4:56 am
Blogball:
In addition to the very sound advice Maggot and rtr gave… addressing just what’s already been done, I would remove whatever particular items he favors peeing on. Scrub down floors really really really well because if he can still tell what areas he designated as bathrooms, it’ll be that much harder to correct the behavior. And/or you can avoid giving him access to these places altogether when you minimize his living space.
August 6th, 2009 at 6:04 am
@archiealt (75): Sorry for the late reply, busy day yesterday. And no, it doesn’t beget violence. I have 4 sons and only once or twice were any of ‘em involved in any sort of violence/fighting, and one of those times my son had no choice. He was being beat up and harassed by a couple of older boys every day on the way home from school; he’d had enough. They stopped bothering him after that.
My kids are not stupid – they absolutely know the difference between discipline and violence. Besides like I said, it’s a court of last resort. I’d like to know what you’d have done with the kid on the ice – let him drown?
August 6th, 2009 at 6:11 am
@sof (92): Then you would have drowned under the ice in the river – you wouldn’t ever have to worry about discipline again.
Narm – again you would be dead under the ice with sof – there was no choice, he had to walk to school every day right past that ice covered river, and I had a ton of little kids (going to a different school btw) that prevented me from being free to walk him. You think it was an easy decision? That’s the difference between discipline and abuse….
August 6th, 2009 at 6:22 am
@ringtailroxy (131): That’s abuse Roxy – and I’m so sorry you had to suffer it..even if it did make your sex life less ho-hum than the rest of us. My kid got the belt once in his life – again like I said – because he was engaging in a behavior that had to be stopped immediately or he would die.
August 6th, 2009 at 8:28 am
@ringtailroxy (163): @Maggot (159): @gabi319 (172):
I really appreciate the suggestions. I have tried some of these but not all. He is 8 years old so I will see if I can teach a middle age dog some new tricks. “Thanks again”
August 6th, 2009 at 8:44 am
@88
I didn’t say plastic was as decomposable as paper, I said it was as recyclable. There’s quite a difference.
August 6th, 2009 at 9:41 am
@mom424 (174): Say you were a smoker, wich I think you are. According to your logic, everytime you took a puff, your son could smack you with a belt, because he would be technically saving your life.
August 6th, 2009 at 9:59 am
CFL bulbs are supposed to be disposed of properly, not just thrown out with the rest of the trash, because of the mercury content. This is almost never published. If you check with your local waste management company or landfill, I’ll bet they won’t accept items containing mercury. I’m afraid we are going to create problems for our future generations because of CFL bulbs, much like we did replacing paper bags with plastic ones. Even my local power company advertises and promotes the use of CFL bulbs!
August 6th, 2009 at 10:03 am
@mom424 (174):
There is always a choice and an alterntive, and no I wouldn’t be under the ice, my parents would’ve spent the time to thoroughly eplain to me the dangers of a frozen river. If not and I ignored them, then they would most probably taken away something that I really loved – televiion, internet, video games, mobile – whatever anything that would’ve made the difference and caused me to think.
You don’t get respect out of fear, you get respect from reasoning and comunication. If your child turned round and hit you with a belt, I dont think you would be too pleased, so why treat your child like this?
I mean gosh, I wouldn’t even hit my naughty dog, let alone a small child. I have a ten year old brother btw, he is small, fragile and very sensitive. It would wreck him to be treated like that. All I want to do is protect him and I would never dream of psychically harming him.
I really think there is just no possible justification for hitting your little child with a belt. How do you think you made him feel?
August 6th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Eliana Ramos had a body to kill for.
August 6th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Regarding everyones comments about spanking:
I believe that abusing your child is wrong; however, I do not think that spanking your child is abuse. I was not spanked often as a child, but i remember the few times I was. And when I was spanked I knew to cut out what I was doing immediately. Kids can be stubborn and honestly I think a spank from time to time is the most effective way to get through to them. I hold no animosity towards my parents today and I think them for teaching me a lesson because I see a bunch of out of control children these days with helpless parents. When I have children I plan on using a spank from time to time. I will not let my children control me.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
What about gay rights ban?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
@Narm (180): What you don’t think we did all that? Did you not read – he was grounded – to his room with no tv and no toys. twice and went on the river again while he was still grounded.
What’s your next bright idea? And frankly I know exactly how it made him feel. Shamed and humiliated. Exactly as he should feel for pulling a bone-head move like that – 3 TIMES. You think that was a day to day thing? Of course not. My children have few self-esteem problems, and the one who does never received that type of punishment, ever. It was never required nor would it have been effective. You obviously didn’t read my first post very well. It is your responsibility to protect your children. Period. Had I not taken extreme measures and he continued with that behaviour what do you think would have happened? Instead of feeling bad for a day (me – considerably longer) he’d be dead and I’d have been going to a funeral.
You guys need some real life experience imo. You’ll see.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Just read the Barnum & Baily circus report on how they treat traveling animals – Ok, We know about elephants, but what about the big cats??? I have seen them in little tiny cages in the back – Pretty discusting.. I would like to see what the circus says about that…
August 6th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
I don’t think that parents should spank there kids, personally. But I also don’t think it should be BANNED, if you get what I mean.
I don’t think parent should hit their kids becaus its teaching them that hitting is ok. Its like if the kid hits someone an their parents comes over and says “don’t hit” and smacks them.
And I get that kids have to learn that their are negative reprecussions and everyting, but I think parents can just take away priviledges, and/or use time-outs. For some kids just making their parents mad is really upsetting when theyre little.
August 6th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
and all of what Signe at 169 said are also good ways to discepline your kids.
August 6th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
@ 145 Blogball: You’re quite right – Indian elephants are considered domestic animals, along with horses and oxen, because they are employed for heavy work in India’s forests and farms.
August 7th, 2009 at 12:41 am
I have no idea how some people can still condone violence on kids. Using violence is never right, under any conditions, and using violence on kids will traumatize them (and studies show that such traumas can cause permanent physical damage, even if the actual violence doesn’t). It will not “teach” them anything but fear – and shows them that you’re a fucked up asshole with no self control.
If you think it’s alright to use violence on kids, please seek therapy ASAP – and please don’t ever have kids.
August 7th, 2009 at 2:33 am
super skinny models as archetypal beauty? baloney. women, I believe in my point of view as a man, can be beautiful even though they aren’t so skinny. Women who have enough ’stuff’ (not so skinny not so fat, but utterly curvaceous because of exercise and fitness without anorexia… reminds me of that horrific picture I saw of an anorexic woman) is really who’s more attractive than a woman who’s all skin and bones.
August 7th, 2009 at 2:36 am
If you think it’s alright to use violence on kids, please seek therapy ASAP – and please don’t ever have kids.
oh, and, as a teenager, I believe that discipline should not get to physical means. I agree.
August 7th, 2009 at 8:28 am
we already have a ban on child abuse… why did they ban the ability to be punished… As they said they are trying to prevent it… but the abuser will abuse the child regardless.
Why is it legal for teachers to punish our children, and not the parents?
Dogs cant speak up, but we can still smack their bums, but children CAN speak out and we can’t smack their bums.
NEver agreed with that,
August 7th, 2009 at 9:52 am
It is illegal to smoke in the car with a minor present, in California…
August 7th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Well if your a teenager commenting on this list of course you do not agree with spanking. Where i come from you still get hit when your a teenager.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:30 am
I SAY CHEWING GUM (and Bubble gum, same thing to me) SHOULD BE BANNED EVERYWHERE!
Well, atleast everywhere I go.
Yuck, I hate gum, its the most disugsting thing ever!! :/ :/ :/ :/
Banning plastic bags? Im sure Tim Minchin would have something to say about that! (In agreement)
August 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Violence & Abuse =/= spanking. I love how everything is black and white with you people. I guess in your little worlds drinking coffee is the same as smoking meth. Having a beer after work is tandemount to full blown alcoholism. The parents on here that have spanked their kids are not abusing them. Poor Ringtailroxy was abused, me being spanked once for throwing dirt all over the porch seconds after my grandmother had just swept it clean, was merely a consequence of doing something I should not have. None of the parents on here that spank their kids is saying they do it all the time, only after all other forms of discipline had been tried and had failed. None of them are talking about beating a kid up, but rather a smack on the bottom when they really get out of line.
August 7th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
@ringtailroxy (161):
I´m so sorry to hear about the abuse you endured as a child… It must have been terrifying. That said, it was ABUSE not discipline thing. I think the difference is that a spanking is not a bad thing if the child otherwise has a healthy, loving environment.
A spanking should only be used as a last resort (I think this has been mentioned a few times). Yes, parents should obviously first try talking/reasoning, then taking away priviledges…. then what? What happens if your child is putting himself at risk with a certain behavior and you have talked till you are blue in the face and have taken away all priviledges save bathroom time and school?
ABUSE should never be condoned.
A rare spanking as a consequence for a naughty action is not abuse.
August 7th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
And just as an after-thought: I was spanked once in my life and I think I fully deserved it. I do not hate my mother nor am I (emotionally or phisically) scarred in any way. In fact, I thank my mother for that. It got me out of my back-talking atitude real quick!
August 7th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
@Blogball (176): He is 8 years old so I will see if I can teach a middle age dog some new tricks
Oh. I was under the impression he was either a pup or an unhousebroken adoptee. If this is a recent problem and he had no troubles before now, I’d suggest having that checked on by the vet. I doubt this would apply to your dog, but I was just talking to a coworker earlier this week about her 9 year old…forgot what type of dog she said she has… who had been having pee issues in the house. Turns out he’s been having mini-seizures (found out after witnessing a moderately big seizure that prompted them to take him to the vet). Your dog probably doesn’t have anything this severe going on but wouldn’t hurt to ask a professional to be sure.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:15 am
What about the ban on women wearing trousers in Sudan, I guess that is pretty contoversial and recent too.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32282467/
August 8th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Re #1 – if you want to spank your own kids, that’s your business, but corporal punishment does not belong in schools.
I was abused by a teacher who used corporal punishment as part of the abuse. So I may be a little biased, but if I had kids I wouldn’t want anyone else spanking them either.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
When I got a paddling in school (late 70’s) I stooped down at the last second so the teacher would hit me in the back and have huge bruises on my back and I immediatly went home and show my mother what they did to me. I never got a paddling again at that school.
People should never confuse a spat on the butt with child abuse. I remember kids in my school that had cigarette burns and broken arms.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:37 am
There is a reason why there are bans being put in place for physical disciplining of children. The old legislation had a loophole that could be exploited to excuse some violence towards kids – the point of the ban is to get rid of abuse, and the potential excuse for abuse. If I happened to be on trial for abusing my (currently nonexistant) children, I would love to have a jury made of people like Mom424, Jeff, and the others propagating similar viewpoints. All I’d have to say would be “I was disciplining him/her. It was for his/her own good!” and I’d be off scot-free.
I think other people, probably with more experience than me, have covered most of what I want to say on the matter.
Except that it’s a bit silly having the people who are most concerned in the matter (ie the children) unable to speak up in a way that matters about this. It’s like talking about retirement benefits and excluding everyone over 50… except worse, because the people who are voting on the matter aren’t going to be kids in the future, so what they say doesn’t really affect them.
Have you noticed that children have less rights in this matter than animals?
August 10th, 2009 at 1:44 am
@Rowena, #203
i think i still qualify as a “kid” and ill be the first to say that the beatings i recieved from my parents kept me from making some decisions that could have ended alot worse for me than just having a sore back side. as a kid, i am in full support of parents spanking their children to get them acting straight. however, ONLY when it is ABSOLUTELY neccessary.
August 10th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
I’m surprised guns didn’t make the list. Ireland just recently outlawed handguns again. And of course, it will probably fail spectacularly.
August 11th, 2009 at 8:34 am
I think that the model one was sad. but its that stupid models fault for doing that. if i would ever become model i owuld eat KFC eveery single day if iw anted. and if my agent has a problem with thar ill tell him to fuck off.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Everything that I love in life is going to be banned. I’ll bet by the end of the teens I won’t be allowed to drive my car anymore, and my right to use tobacco won’t last the end of the year. It’s not just America, it’s the entire world. There isn’t a free country left on this planet.
August 13th, 2009 at 1:55 am
You have to be kidding me, spanking is -not- child abuse. I’m about to be 19 years old, so my childhood is still fresh in my mind (No offence, ya’ll. >.<) When I was a "kid" (Since I guess I'm technically still really young, relatively), my parents could take away whatever they wanted, and I wouldn't give a flying fuck. My dad would get out the belt, or my mom would get the wooden spoon, ten smacks later, I've realized the error of my ways. Spanking isn't about harming a child, or sheer use of pain to control your kid, it's about teching a kid that there are consequences to their actions.
And I can't remember exactly who it was, but someone was posing the quesion "How is using violence on a child supposed to teach them that violence is wrong?" Simple. Spanking isn't violence. It's discipline. My guess is over half of the readers here were spanked as a kid, and do you not think you turned out just fine?
Now maybe this is pushing it, but I still don't even think using the belt is out of line. After all, naughty kids used to have to go cut their own switches, right? "But that's different, that's back when it was acceptable." I don't think right and wrong are ever going to change, just what we think of it. People are just now starting to enact anti-spanking laws, I guess you would call them, after mankind has been using it as a form of discipline for god only knows how long. If it's a really tramatic incident, I think we would've picked up on it by now.
Sorry for the rant, but anti-spanking laws just seem ridiculous to me. Whatever happened to parental control?
August 13th, 2009 at 1:56 am
I think Listverse just swallowed my well thought out rant. T.T
August 13th, 2009 at 2:11 am
I’ll start over again, then, and make it short.
I’m nineteen, and was raised by the belt and wooden spoon. I find that perfectly acceptable. I now realize the errors of my ways. I now respect my parents’ wishes. Not because I’m terrified of them, but because I realize I’m living in their house by their goodwill and kind intentions. It just took a little spanking to help me realize that.
@84 archialt:
“Children follow the actions of their parents. I’m a great believer that you are a product of your environment, and that most of the things you are as an adult can in someway be traced back to what happened to you as a child. So it seems logical to me that when a child is smacked by his parents for misbehaving, it conveys to that child ,consciously or subconsciously, that when someone is not acting in a manner that you approve of, smacking them is a way of getting them to do so. I will ask the question again, how can it be o.k to tell your child not to hit his siblings when they are annoyed, and then smack that child when you yourself are annoyed?
I also feel that if a child does something you don’t like , and you hit them, and they don’t do it again, thats not much of a victory. I would like to think that a child wont do something thats wrong because he/she knows its wrong, and because i as their parent have asked them not to, not through fear of pain. An idealistic and somewhat simplistic view maybe, but there you go.”
I don’t want to be annoying, but I’m gonna do a little dissection on your argument.
“So it seems logical to me that when a child is smacked by his parents for misbehaving, it conveys to that child ,consciously or subconsciously, that when someone is not acting in a manner that you approve of, smacking them is a way of getting them to do so.”
No, it should convey to them that when they do wrong, there is a consequence. It should also teach them to respect their elders, and to leave discipline to their parents or other authority figures. And discipline should be left to authority figures, correct? They’ll learn that they aren’t yet the ones to decide right and wrong.
“I will ask the question again, how can it be o.k to tell your child not to hit his siblings when they are annoyed, and then smack that child when you yourself are annoyed?”
You don’t smack the child because you are annoyed, you smack them because they’ve done wrong. If they’re just being annoying, and explaining to them why you find the current situation to be annoying doesn’t work, what would you do? Children aren’t quite as considerate for others as most would have them be. They have to learn consideration, i.e., discipline.
“I would like to think that a child wont do something thats wrong because he/she knows its wrong, and because i as their parent have asked them not to, not through fear of pain.”
Again, many children aren’t as considerate as we would have them be. If you acted up as a child, and all your parents did was ask you to stop, would you have? Not likely. You would have learned that the only consequence of your action was a “Please stop.”
“An idealistic and somewhat simplistic view maybe, but there you go.”
Yes, quite idealistic and somewhat simplistic. Don’t get me wrong, if it worked, I would be all kinds of for it. It would’ve saved me a sore bum in the past. But it’s the simple truth that that -is- an idealistic way of seeing it.
August 13th, 2009 at 2:16 am
And don’t even get me started on smoking in public. If the business owner wants to allow it, they should be able to. If you don’t want to put up with the smoke, don’t go there. Easy as that. In places like grocers, government buildings, schools, I totally understand and agree with a nonsmoking policy. In a privately owned business, the government should have no say. And those of you who worry about the health of the employees: chances are, they probably smoke. And if they don’t, they certainly aren’t required to work there. No, there may not be thousands of other jobs out there for them in the current job market, but that’s one of those facts of life: Sometimes, shit happens. And if they feel strongly enough that they would support an antismoking campaign, they probably don’t work in a smoking allowed business anyway.
August 13th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
@Mortivore (211): And don’t even get me started on smoking in public.
Well considering that your opinion on the matter is completely off base, that would be a good idea.
In a privately owned business, the government should have no say.
The government has a say in allot of things that privately owned businesses can and cannot do. Why is this issue different?
August 13th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
“While many of these things don’t affect us all, many of them do..”
This writing is atrocious, were you really in that much of a hurry to publish the segment? Next time spare us the stupid lead-in, and just launch the damn list.
August 13th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
In Canada, you have to pay a minimum of 5 cents if you want a plastic bag. Since then, I’ve seen a lot more people using reusable shopping bags. It makes me happy
August 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
We’ve been using reusable shopping bags for some time, now… and that predates the policy of the minimum five cent plastic shopping bag…
August 19th, 2009 at 11:55 am
I’d spank that. Then go to KFC with my pitbull, eat a biscuit and light up a Marlboro
August 20th, 2009 at 12:51 am
@Maggot (212): Ok, touche, salesman. The government shouldn’t have say over that specific matter, I should say. In my mind, and purely in my mind I suppose, that’s like saying you can’t smoke in your house because the government says so. If it’s your building, and your business, the government shouldn’t have any say so. But again, I’m only eighteen. What do I know? XD
August 20th, 2009 at 12:52 am
Just realized I put nineteen on my first post. My bad, I’m only eighteen. >.<
August 20th, 2009 at 1:07 am
banning of spanking children? ridiculous. please remember that a child is selfish in their young nature. if you’re just talking to them then they’ll just treat it as a game and nothing serious. if you however put a little hurt and say “no”, they will get the idea. heh, i’ve also witnessed a kid threatening their parents to call 911.
what this banning does is just create more spoiled kids. ridiculous.
August 20th, 2009 at 1:12 am
There is a difference between spanking and abusing children.
August 21st, 2009 at 3:33 pm
@Geng1s (13): @jfrater (19):
This is what Gengis and Jamie were talking about.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j–nwD_ayjIzQli7kZSmoYzXSsFAD9A78BVG4
August 21st, 2009 at 4:33 pm
@Mortivore (217): The government shouldn’t have say over that specific matter, I should say. In my mind, and purely in my mind I suppose, that’s like saying you can’t smoke in your house because the government says so.
Rather than repeat myself, read my posts #87 and 110. Businesses cater to the general public. They have a responsibility to keep their patrons safe, and that should include not having them be exposed to second-hand smoke from other inconsiderate patrons. In your own house, sure you can smoke, even in front of guests that may not like it. But that would be pretty rude, don’t you think?
But again, I’m only eighteen. What do I know?
Don’t be so hard on yourself. I mean this sincerely, not condescendingly, but that’s how we learn…by talking things thru. Hopefully we remain open to learning for our entire lives, and not think it ends once we leave school age.
September 17th, 2009 at 3:05 am
here in montreal QC Canada, smoking has been banned in ALL public buildings that includes bars (which in my opinion is down right stupid everyone knows a cold beer goes hand in hand with a smoke). it has also been regulated in stores where they are not allowed to advertise ANY tobacco products, this includes cigars. all tobacco products must be hidden from public view ie behind panels. as well in most outdoor public places there are designated smoking areas and/or non smoking areas. they have also made it illegal to smoke in a car with children under a certain age (i forget what age). last but not least though it is not pushed as a law it is illegal to throw your cigarette butt out on the street. wont be long till the ban smoking all together…to which i seriously hope will not happen. i have a right to smoke if i damn well please too just as non smokers have a right not too.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Here in Canada, it costs 5 cents a plastic bag in some stores.
In Grand Falls – Windsor anyway.
Dominion seems to be the only franchise enforcing it, but there is some change.
October 10th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
If children learn that if they do something bad, they will be hit, what happens when they realise that they’re too big to be hit anymore, and they can therefore do whatever they want? If children realise that something hurts someone else (and innately, not because of some spanking), then there will never be such a point, they will always be a consequence from that action, and that is what they will remember, and it will in most cases be a discouragement.
Also, think about this scenario…
John is a man with a dog and a child. The dog continually barks at night, and so John gets up and spanks said dog to stop it barking. The police hear about this, and he gets charged with animal abuse; he can no longer own a pet, and he gets a jail term.
The child wails for loss of a dog. John spanks the child to stop him wailing. The police hear again, and John goes to court; however, he gets let off scot-free in this case, because it was “for the purposes of parental correction” (in the wording of the NZ law).
Until recently, in New Zealand, this could well happen (I don’t know about other countries). However, the child is far more vulnerable, damageable and generally personly than the dog. Is it right that the dog gets better protection?
Also, the point of all these laws is not to stop spanking as such, but to reduce child abuse. It’s horrific what some people have got away with, because they have pleaded that they were merely using “reasonable force for the purposes of parental correction” (NZ law). Some children have been beaten with horsewhips, bits of plumbing and the like, but their abusers left court free and still with custody of the badly injured children, because “it was for their own good” or “It was to teach them not to do that”. Is this acceptable? Until recently, under NZ law it was (in case you can’t tell, I am New Zealand born and bred).
October 13th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
@Rowena (225): You don’t get dogs taken away for hitting them at night to stop them barking… That argument is specious
November 8th, 2009 at 2:39 am
I would support the global ban of Smoking… Uneccessary habit and smokers are smelling big time regardless how many you smoke!
November 13th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Super interesting site! I an curious about the CFL information. I replaced all our bulbs with CFI’s to help our electric usage and the environment. I do not understand why it is more difficult to dispose of them if the vapor they contain is released if they break. Is this vapor that harmful? Fluorescent lights have been used in offices for years and they are just discarded in the trash bins and I have never heard of any problem when one was broken in the office. How are these bulbs really different and should they be disposed of at a Haz-Mat center (hazardous material)? We have had only 2 bulbs stop working in the 4 years we have used them and exchanged them for new ones (I kept the packaging and receipt). The illumination is the same if you get the right wattage and I like the fact that a 15 watt bulb is fine for our 3-way lamps and 5 spotlights in the kitchen ceiling only uses the energy of one incandescent bulb.
As for plastic bags, they make great liners for trash cans but we have used our own cloth bags for groceries etc. for years. I made some tote bags myself and had others from various sources. Once you get in the habit of taking them with you, it is not a problem. The plastic ones we do not use are recycled; I do wish we could recycle more items. Our local council will only take numbers 1 and 2 plastic while most of what we get are 5 and 6.
I personally lie to chew gum occasionally but would not object to a ban; after getting it all over my new shoes, I was not very happy. Disposal is the problem and, unfortunately, most people don’t care.
My parents both had lung cancer from smoking and died from it. They started while in the military in the 1940’s-it was the thing to do. Our home is smoke free and we appreciate smoke free restaurants and businesses; it’s too bad the smokers congregate at the doorways so you have to hold your breath to get in and out. It is just a fact of smoking that the odor clings to you and has prevented me from talking with some co-workers as I cannot breathe when near them. When a smoker asks first if it will bother you before lighting up-thoughtful and much appreciated. Smoking in the movies does not bother me because it is not in my presence-and so many people smoke it is a fact of life, as is swearing if the scene calls for it-but not to be gratuitous.
As for banning animals from a circus because of bad treatment, that depends on the circus. Without animals, it would have to use a different name and I wouldn’t attend. The Cirque de Soleil is different and really good but it’s not what I would call a circus. Give me animals and clowns, jugglers and the horses, dog acts and the elephants of course.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:28 am
Making tobacco and related products illegal is such a stupid idea. As a smoker, I’m all for keeping public indoor areas smoke-free. It’s polite.
But banning it entirely? Anyone remember what the Prohibition ended up triggering? No? The mafia. Making something illegal just forces it into unregulated channels. People WILL get their hands on it, easily, illegaly. This will give more power to organised crime. Is that what we need?
December 26th, 2009 at 11:13 am
I live in thr rural southeast and my childrens school still offers “corporal punishment”
I for one and all for it. I was paddled often as a child and turned out as a stable adult.
I agree there is a difference in punishment and abuse though. I do not abuse my children
But I will not hesitate to spank them. It is remarkable how a sore bottom can trigger
The memory on what is right and wrong.
Just my opinion
December 26th, 2009 at 11:29 am
O and BTW I have finally found out how to make my tenager’s brain engage before her mouth.
She has a smart mouth and she popped off a few months ago and called me a b*tch. Well one good pop of just my fingertips
Across her mouth has taught her a valuable lesson…what comes out of the mouth might make the mouth hurt…think
Before you talk espically if it will be something ugly or mean
Again just my opinion…but it works in my house
December 27th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I will continue 2 smoke, do what i like f every1 else my life my choice
January 14th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
I’m so disgusted that so many people think spanking is a form of discipline. Hitting your child is the easy way out, and only temporary. It’s punishment, not discipline. Yeah, it doesn’t hurt or leave a mark but have you ever thought about the long term effect? I was spanked as a child and I grew up angry and resentful from that. It is possible to talk to your child, try to find common ground. Children are not stupid and are possible to communicate with.
How many child psychologists recommend spanking? Find me one; I bet you can’t.
February 7th, 2010 at 12:33 am
The Australian Classification Board just banned the production and sale of porn containing overage (over 18) women with small breasts, on the basis that they appear childlike and will appeal to pedophiles. Which is bullshit and discriminiatory if you ask me.