Conspiracy theories – I can’t get enough of them! Fortunately there are so many floating about that we have been able to give you not one, not two, but now three lists of theories that many people believe with all their might. Be sure to read the earlier lists if you haven’t already and feel free to add any conspiracies missing from all three to the comments here.
It makes the list because it appears in almost every alien or UFO conspiracy theory ever devised. The fact is Area 51 is real. It’s a popular target on Google Earth. Another fact is that the FAA has confirmed that no air routes go over or anywhere near Area 51, by direct order from the USAF.
There are television shows purporting to explain just what goes on there, one even including an interview with “a disgruntled employee,” who is provided with black-out lighting, but no vocal distortion, and who states that “it is a testing ground for experimental aircraft. It’s as simple as that.”
I considered putting the Aurora Aircraft on this list, but since its existence is tied so closely to Area 51, I use Area 51 as a catch-all of sorts. It is verifiable now, that the F-117 Stealth Fighter, the B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber, and the SR-71 Blackbird were all invented at Area 51. This may account for all the strange lights people have recorded near the base through the years.
But the conspiracy theory goes on to claim that humans were unable to come up with these technologies. They were, instead, reverse engineered by studying the technology of the flying saucer that crashed at Roswell, NM, in 1947. In fact, there may have been other alien aircraft recovered or even shot down in the area over the years, all of which have led to the USAF’s mighty power of innovation. The theory claims that the flying saucer is still there, housed in a secret bunker or hangar, as are the corpses of the three or four aliens who crashed it and died.
This one at least seems plausible, as it has nothing to do with science fiction. This theory states that Bill Clinton, while he was president and before, was quietly assassinating his associates (ostensibly anyone who got in the way of his career, such as Vince Foster). The Clinton Body Count is a list of about 50-60 associates of Clinton who have died “under mysterious circumstance.” The list began circulating over the Internet starting in the mid-1990s. The list grew out of a 1993 list of about 24 names prepared by the pro-gun lobby group American Justice Federation, which was led by Linda Thompson. The list was posted to the group’s bulletin board system.
The facts concerning Vince Foster’s death are that he died untimely, on July 20, 1993, of apparent suicide by gunshot in the mouth. His body was found in Fort Marcy Park, Virginia. Gunshot residue was found on the hand which had held the gun. Foster and Clinton were boyhood friends, both lawyers, and it is believed by the theory that Foster got too close to uncovering some embarrassing truth about Clinton, probably of a sexual and/or dishonest nature, and that Foster was assassinated, less than a year after joining Clinton’s White House staff.
The theorists argue that it is unlikely that a man with a wife and three children, and an extremely lucrative law practice, earning him $300,000 a year, would have manic depression, but Foster was diagnosed with it and prescribed anti-depressants.
Yes, you read that right. According to this conspiracy theory, the man himself never existed. His life story, his ministry, his status as the divine Son of God, is a fabrication of the Roman Catholic Church. Those who have proposed one form or another of this theory have documented the similarities between stories of Jesus and those of Krishna, Adonis, Osiris, Mithra, and a pre-Christian cult of Jesus (Joshua) within Judaism. Some authors attribute the beginning of Christianity to a historical founder who predates the time Jesus is said to have lived.
The theory appears to have been originated by two French Enlightenment thinkers, Constantin-Francois Volney and Charles Francois Dupuis, in the 1790s. The theory has always been largely dismissed by academic circles and biblical historians, in which case, the theorists simply elaborated on the theory. Not only did Jesus never exist, his presence in the New Testament is utter fiction, created by the Roman Catholic Church sometime in the very early 3rd Century AD, or late 2nd Century, as a means by which to control people. The authorities passed down the idea to their successors until Constantine considered it a very good means of control and called the Council of Nicaea to organize the Church into global domination.
Despite all of the historical proof that Jesus did exist – and there is plenty of it – there are still many people who would like to think he didn’t. That is the source of this bizarre revisionist theory.
Satan is alive on Earth, and has created the Antichrist, who is, at this moment, not quite old enough to seize power, but will in only a few years. He will do so in a very political manner, taking over some powerful organization, such as the United Nations.
Every generation, since St. John the Divine wrote the Revelation, has sworn that it would witness the Great Tribulation, Armageddon, and the second coming of Jesus. “The end is near,” everyone has been saying.
Now, though, with the advent of global communications, especially the Internet, the theory has swelled exponentially. Christians who previously didn’t think much of it have changed their minds. It can be argued that the worldwide availability of press coverage only serves to heighten fear of terrible things happening at any moment. 9/11 was the most well covered, watched tragedy in human history. Wheneer a tragedy occurs, people who believe in the Christian end-times scenarios flock to church to pray away their fear.
But now, with the ability to control the entire world actually conceivable, the paranoia of the Antichrist showing up has become quite the pandemic. Most terrorists believe he will be male, will arise in Europe, probably Western Europe, and some even swear that he will be French. Plenty are sure, however, that President Barack Obama is in fact the Antichrist. Numerologists believe that the Antichrist is not yet old enough, but will make his appearance at the age of 30, symbolically equal to Jesus beginning his ministry. Worldwide terrorism, the current U. S. led war on it in the hotbed of political unrest, and the fact that almost every Arab nation seems to be threatening an invasion of Israel at every second, all serve to make this one feel very real. Every day CNN is loaded with horror stories about the Holy Land, and it just seems to keep getting worse. “The end is near.”
It is a verifiable fact that the human land speed record was set in 1899 at 65 mph by an electric car. Steam and gasoline-powered automobiles could not achieve this for another 20 to 25 years. Today, technology has progressed immensely, and yet, we still have no electric cars. The best production model is the Toyota Prius, which gets 50 mpg. This only intensifies the theory that the U. S. oil companies currently possess the technology for purely electric cars, which you can plug into an ordinary, American wall outlet at night and charge up to a cross-country trip by morning.
But because this would, in truth, bankrupt the oil companies, they refuse to release the technology, and have even put out successful hits on various geniuses since the 1960s, none of whom became very famous, because he was killed before he could make his publish his discovery. A documentary in 2006, “Who Killed the Electric Car?” fueled the fire that if the technology is documented to have existed as early as the 1830s, why did it appear to hits its peak at the turn of the 20th Century, and then decline? Why are we still waiting for electric cars? Edison patented one in 1913. All the electrical pioneers of that time tinkered with the idea, and plenty of reasonable examples were produced.
The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program does exist. It is a research project funded jointly by the USAF, the US Navy, the University of Alaska, and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). When you put that many government organizations into one sentence about new technology, conspiracy theorists come running. Did you see the 2003 movie “The Core”? It concerns a stall in the earth’s magnetic field, allowing the sun’s microwave radiation to cook the planet, until a team goes into the core of the planet and jumpstarts it spinning again, so the magnetic field will resume.
The movie explains that the stall was caused not on its own, but accidentally by HAARP, which is researching the ability to create earthquakes for use as a weapon. The official description of the program, given by the program, is “to provide a research facility to conduct pioneering experiments in ionospheric phenomena… used to analyze basic ionospheric properties and to assess the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for communications and surveillance purposes.”
This sounds like the opposite of deep-Earth experiments, but conspiracy theorists believe the program is a cover for a kind of particle-beam weapon, first invented by Nikola Tesla, which has in fact been perfected, or brought close to perfection, by HAARP. The theory also claims that the ionospheric research is not a lie, but is being developed for use as a weapon to shoot down enemy spacecraft, or ballistic missiles, the latter popular especially given that HAARP’s facilities are all in Alaska, close to Russia. It even speculates that the weapon could become Tesla’s most infamous invention: “the Death Beam,” able to project a beam of extremely powerful electricity from the facility to any point on the planet and create an explosion as devastating as a hydrogen bomb.
It has been suggested that there is a secret form of energy, called Vril, which is used and controlled by a secret subterranean society of matriarchal socialist utopian superior beings. Yes, you read that correctly. It is similar in this respect to the #2 theory. It also claims that Nazi Germany discovered this race, and its technology, at Shambhala, Tibet, and used it to create flying saucers (pictured above).
The whole theory is based on an 1871 sci-fi novel by Edward Bulwer-Lytton, titled, “Vril: The Coming of the Race.” It is generally considered an early example of science fiction, but because this genre was just getting off the ground at the time, it was seen by many as a non-fiction account of the subterranean race and their technology, a theory which persists today. The theory really took off in the 1960s.
This one actually sounds plausible. Nikola Tesla claimed that free energy was indeed possible, and worked for most of his career to achieve it. The theory claims that he did, in fact, succeed, just before his death in 1943, in discovering the mathematics and mechanics involved, but that the FBI immediately broke into his home and seized all his papers and work, and has never released any of it to the public.
The concept of free energy is, in very general terms, the ability to input x amount of energy into a machine, which will output x + 1 amount of energy. This seems to conflict with the law of conservation of energy, which states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Tesla believed the law to be incorrect. He invented the Tesla Coil as an attempt to create free energy.
If it is possible, free energy could be perfected and result in the entire planet being powered by a single power source, such as a nuclear power plant, and output all the energy anyone could ever need. An infinite supply of energy at our fingertips, all based on electric output. You can see how this would irritate the oil companies.
They are the cause of the suppression, the theory claims, as no one would have to depend on fossil fuels anymore. Electric input is just as viable as coal input, or gasoline input. Thus, the electricity required to power a lightbulb could be all we need to power the whole world, invent spacecrafts capable of interstellar travel, anti-gravity, etc.
This theory is a lot of fun. It has been alleged that the U. S. and Israeli governments led archaeological digs in the past, which discovered the True Cross, on which Jesus Himself was crucified (along with many others, as crosses were reused). The theories disagree on the location, most claiming Jerusalem, many claiming Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland, or various places in England.
Minute traces of blood were discovered on the cross and analyzed. The DNA was of several strains, and one was encoded not on a double helix, but on a triple helix! Is this good stuff or what?! The DNA is unlike any other known, and was labeled as a new species, Homo superioris. The theory continues that there are other people of this species currently living underground in various places around the world, including most of the major cities, and they have been around as long or longer than Homo sapiens. Jesus made the unprecedented decision to come up to the surface and live among us, and try to teach us to be good, and kind and peaceful.
His species possesses phenomenal supernatural abilities, including telekinesis, levitation (walking on water), telepathy (knowing people’s thoughts), healing, etc. They are also very difficult to kill, and when no one was looking, presumably during the freak storm and earthquake, Jesus got down off the cross and disappeared, having done his job. This ties in with the Jesus bloodline theory.
In the annals of paranoia, no conspiracy theory is more labyrinthine, more convoluted, more encompassing of other conspiracy theories as the Montauk Project, based out of Camp Hero, Montauk Point, Long Island, New York. At the extreme northeastern tip of the island there is a massive AN/FPS-35 radar dish that has long since been decommissioned, but has been saved from demolition by a petition from the local civilian residents, who find it a better sea-faring landmark than the nearby Montauk Lighthouse. This dish features prominently in all the theories surrounding a hyper-top secret military research facility which supposedly operated from 1967 to the early 1980s.
Some theories claim that research still goes on there, deep underground in a facility that was frequently expanded since its inception. But the theories involving what went on in Camp Hero from the 1960s on are the best stuff you’re likely to hear in terms of science fiction realism. The Project began on US Government initiative in 1952-53, when a secret committee was organized to discuss possible research into time travel. The methods by which this could be achieved have never been adequately explained in the theory, but are based primarily on the work of the two favorite scientists of conspiracy theorists: Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla.
Einstein’s general relativity theory is considered the only plausible jumping-off point to a Unified Field Theory, which has so far not been discovered. Or so the public thinks. The Montauk Project resulted directly from the Philadelphia Experiment, which topped a previous list of conspiracy theories and is claimed by the theorists to be the accidental discovery of time travel. Nikola Tesla, who supposedly died in 1943, did not die, but perfected Einstein’s theory, and invented the mechanics required to stabilize a wormhole, a rip in the fabric of space-time.
The Montauk Project furthered this research, funded initially by $10 billion in Nazi gold bullion, stolen by American soldiers from an underground railroad tunnel in Switzerland in 1945. Some theories include Tesla as the immortal head of the project, traveling through time to cheat death. The base is said to have created and stabilized a time tunnel into the past, enabling anyone to go into it and arrive at any programmed point in the past. But then something terrible happened. No one can agree on precisely what, except that a mechanical failure in the 1980s resulted in a horrible monster from a foreign world (and perhaps from the past or future), which came through the underground tunnel without warning and severely destroyed the base, before being killed by unknown means.
The government immediately scrapped the Project, having learned how to travel through time, and sealed off the entire base, which had grown so large that it actually extends, to this day, under the town of Montauk itself, several square miles. The massive radar dish was used to transmit messages to alien worlds in various times through the history of the Universe.
Today, Camp Hero is now a state park where anyone may go and picnic or hike, and yet there are verifiable reports of backpackers and campers being suddenly accosted by men with automatic assault rifles in the middle of the night and threatened with death if they didn’t leave. In all these reports, the men have been said to wear olive drab uniforms with no insignia of any kind. The film “Sunshine of the Spotless Mind” was filmed in the area, but not in the state park itself, because the local authorities charged exorbitant fees, apparently to dissuade the production from accidentally uncovering any secrets.
The theories all converge at a brilliant end: there is a concrete-sealed door in the side of a building on Camp Hero grounds, which leads down, and which no one is allowed to go near.






























You should look up for another list like the reptilions David Icke talks about. I dont personaly belive it bt its intrasting none the less
Religion should be removed from these lists…
I started using AdBlock on Listverse ages ago. JFrater, you can talk about religion all you want, but it’s bad for business.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_nojesus.html
or
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
I dare ya!
@Frenchie (120):
“I mean there’s already a freakin’ forum to discuss the veracity of Jesus, WHY does it constantly spill over into comment sections?”
The reason is because the founder of listverse (jfater) doesn’t seem to want to follow rule number 6 or force others to do it. That’s pretty much why I stopped commenting.
BTW jfrater. Your link to the forums in the “Read Me First” link is broken
@jfrater (44): Please make a list of all of this evidence you keep talking about. I would enjoy reading it.
The Christ Myth Theory is arguably the least interesting one on this list yet simply because it involves religion everyone has to get their panties in a bunch. This thread could have been much more interesting.
@42jfrater
“Can you give me proof that Aristotle existed outside of books? How about Plato? Aristophanes? Euripides? Hmm. Shakespeare? No? So none of them must exist.”
just fyi no one is saying they did or did not exist.
and i’m sure everyone could live with them not existing; as them being individuals in completely irrelivent to why they are important. None of them break down if they are actually multiple people – Jesus does
kind of obvious that you are reaching for ground to stand on
bbones: my point was that we accept the existence of Socrates despite our only evidence for his existence being the writings of Plato. So why are people unwilling to accept the same level of evidence for the existence of Jesus?
@jfrater (133): I don’t and have never accepted Socrates existence, it appears to me that Socrates is very, (at least in the later works of Plato) very construed from the earlier work thereof. So either Socrates had a significant change in opinions after his death or Plato severely construed the ideas of him.
The evidence of Socrates is spurious at the most.
Besides Socrates didn’t claim to heal the blind, walk on water, or be the son of God. Jesus did. Therefore at least Socrates is more “possible”.
Interesting list. As a bit of a break from the great “Jesus :Fact or Fiction” debate, I’d like to bring up something about HAARP (#5). Most of the things I have heard about HAARP was that it was experimenting with heating the ionosphere to affect the jet stream and thus affect the weather. That is the conspiracy that I hear and see associated with HAARP instead of the idea that it is for causing earthquakes. A recent show on the History Channel called That’s Impossible talked about weather control experiments and possible weaponization of weather control. The drought that hit California in the late 80′s and early 90′s and the odd jet stream at the time and the oddities of the weather patterns associated with Hurricane Katrina were mentioned as possible results of weather control. HAARP and similar ionosphere experiments in Russia were cited in the program. Another conspiracy associated with HAARP is that its an attempt at using high energy radio waves in affecting brain cells and controlling human behavior.
I don’t want too see evidence of god..
It’s the devil that will prove his existence!!
top 10 exorcisms, emily rose type of *****, i saw footage of a gut tied to a chair his eyes sink back n glaze over like a snakes n his foeead starts to crack open, wikid
If tens of thousands of people had been killed in Socrates’ name, you’d better believe there would be people all over questioning if he ever really lived. The Christian religion is a bane on society, both for the death it has caused in the past (and in many places in the present) and the promotion of total lack of reasoning o behalf of well over 2/3 of American society
The word ‘theory’ is a misnomer, as many have been proven to be factual. 9/11 as any mechanical engineer or professor of physics will know, was not caused by a kerosene (jet fuel) and office furniture fire. Tesla knew about ‘zero point energy’ which John Hutchison has utilized in his experiments and which DARPA, NASA, and the Pentagon investigated(the Canadian Government also raided his labs).
HAARP has been manipulating the ionosphere since its inception and has caused shifts in the jet stream and earthquakes. Research, if you really want to wake up to the reality that the mass media doesn’t want you to know!
Tens of thousands of years ago we destroyed ourselves with nuclear weapons, long before the Sumerians existed!!
Great list! I’ve heard of most of these, but I’ve never heard 1, 4, or 9. A lot of these are funny, or fun to write fiction about, but they certainly lack factual evidence.
Cripes, the photo for item #7 is like having an ice cold poker inserted in your neck. Yikes!
Nice! That little antichrist baby/man is creepy. The new Loose Change –Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup– is up on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/dabizness916#play/uploads/10/hWCoQxRE58w
These are actually all true and FlameHorse was paid by the government to write this list to throw us all off.
Nice list FlameHorse I relly enjoyed it.
Spam is not cool kiddo.
There is a widely known conspiracy going around that Jesus Christ (Homo superioris/member of the Vril Society) was seen at the site of the 9/11 disaster fleeing in an electric car. It’s believed he was behind the destruction of the towers using a particle-beam weapon developed via HARPP research. The towers housed the United States offices of an unnamed and unknown group that was suppressing free energy develpment. There is no evidence though because Bill Clinton (the Antichrist) had him snubbed, the body had been hidden at Area 51 (for a short while) until it was later gotten rid of at the Montauk Project site…so there is no proof to any of this. BUT IT IS ALL ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!!
“Despite all of the historical proof that Jesus did exist – and there is plenty of it”
OK. Then it should be easy to cite several reputable sources.
Go ahead.
Rob (126) / I would have to say “it is good for business.” You are commenting even though you said “I started using AdBlock on Listverse ages ago.” AND
there are a lot of other people making comments as well. Isn’t that what makes it ‘good’ business?
I love reading the debates. I have my opinions, and what I read isn’t going to change how I believe, but it’s fun to see how people get so frustrated trying to make everyone believe their way.
“Can’t we all just get along?” LOL
It’s also interesting how most of the comments are about ONE conspiracy theory mentioned on the list. It’s only a THEORY people!
@lostatsea1 (138): I was wondering if you´d post on this list… It´s been a while and I know you love conspiracy theories… Nice to see you back!
Flamrhorse: GREAT LIST! Some of these I could believe (like the electric cars) but some of these are just out there! There´s a reason sci fi includes the word “fiction.”
Wow!!! Saber25, I bet you still BELIEVE in The Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny and Santa Claus!
The Invisible and the non-existent look very much alike!
The Jesus character was merely the invention of writers stuck in the first century. The Jesus story appears to be cut from the same fabric as all other myths and fables.
The inspiration of the Bible depends on the Ignorance of the person who reads it. Read The Acts – Chapter 5 verse 30. There are two accounts of death for Jesus in the Bible!
Religions are what DREAMS are made of.
I definitely believe in the Electric Car conpiracy
Great list! I love conspiracies! I do believe that Jesus existed as a man who did some of the things in the bible but I don’t believe he was the son of god or any of that stuff.
Also, as someone said earlier, I think Michael Jackson faked his death to escape his life!
Sorry to double post, but I wanted to comment that I also believe in the electric car theory because it makes a lot of sense considering the greed of oil corporations.
@GTT(147)Thanks for the welcome!!
Sorry for my absence but spare time has been in short supply. I’m afraid that Iran might be attacked soon, which will have devastating effects for us all…hope I’m wrong but my sources are usually reliable!
12-21-2012 is also the end of the Federal Reserve’s mandate…curious…no?
@saber25 (8): No, I’m a good ol’ fashioned Protestant Christian. I just find these conspiracy theories fascinating. Wish I’d thought of them!
Excellent list FlameHorse. Amazing to me what some people will believe, with the most convoluted of evidence, and what others will refuse to believe despite significant evidence and plain common sense. (I don’t necessarily believe Jesus is God or even in God, but to deny his Jesus’ historical veracity? Foolishness.)
@lostatsea1 (148): I sincerely hope that you are wrong. We’ve enough bloodshed in that part of the world already. And welcome back!
“Despite all of the historical proof that Jesus did exist – and there is plenty of it –”
Nope, there actually isn’t – and the comparison to Aristotle is ridiculous. The article on Wikipedia shows there is evidence – but it’s not reliable and it’s most certainly open to interpretation. You made me laugh with the early fathers mention – you do know when those were written, right? The earliest records we have are dated…40? 70? Depends on the scholar. You think that is reliable? I don’t. Especially not in those times. To recapitulate, we have, at best, second-hand accounts (witnesses of witnesses? o rly?) and a handful of classical authors – the authenticity of which is disputed. The assertion that Jesus isn’t a myth suits most of those who think so, for obvious reasons. Also, the comparison to the evolution/creation debate was really lame – let’s just put it like this – I’ll show you evolution (the process) if you show me Jesus (am accepting first-hand accounts, archaeological evidence, etc.). Jesus is the Loch Ness monster.
Fun list, Jfrater. I see conspiracy theorists not believing in things where there is evidence, but falling for every crackpot idea that comes along. These ideas are fun to read about, but come on.
Could Bill Clinton kill all these people without anybody in the know not opening there mouths in all these years? Vril? It comes from a sci-fi story. Use your brains.
@JOE BLACKK (91): That’s the kind of comment I live for. Thanks and a tip of the hat. I believe very few conspiracy theories (for a reason this list makes obvious). I ranked them according to how much fun I found them to read. # 1 has always been my very favorite, and once I finish the book I’m working on, I think my next one will be about that.
#2 is fairly new, so far as I can figure out, and man! It’s a good one! Like I said before, I wish I’d thought of it!
@mom424 (150): Thanks.
Thanks to everyone who likes it. You don’t get more fun than conspiracy theories.
@Nudik (105): You know, he’s in so many, that would be doable. I’ll think about it. JFrater can come up with his own, of course, if he likes. But the ones on this list that mention Tesla are definitely some of the best. They’d have to be repeated.
@ollie (106): Thanks, man! Thanks to everyone who likes it or finds it interesting. When I read the other two, several of my favorites weren’t there, so I knocked this one up. Someone named J said the Antichrist is alive and well, and is a girl he used to date. That’s FUNNY!
@flamehorse: “…and once I finish the book I’m working on, I think my next one will be about that.”
Uhm, you might want to think about that…THEY are watching. You might become MISSING.
@Spooky (156): *Gasp!* You know what? Bring ‘em on. Bring. them. on.
*looks over his shoulder*
Yes Scud47(144) I do not believe in tooth fairies and fairy tales and the big fat read burglar who comes down to take your stuff but I do believe that Christ is not here or he was just made up in the Bible and it is merely an imagination of one’s thinking but it had gained popularity and lots of evidence saying that Jesus DID exist and many of his religion became the followers and passed down through generations. And I knew that but had you even tried to pray? It isn’t about tooth fairies or the easter bunny but your faith in God, it’s all about in faith, if you have that so much faith in you then He is right there with you all the time.
When will we stop this religion debate, AND historical Jesus debate? Thank you Franchie. You stole that right out of my … er, mouth? Typing finger? Whatever.
Jesus didn’t exist. The same with European never invaded America. White people are born there. Oh, and every histories you learn is a lie too. Everything.
Sorry for the bad English. Not my first language.
Man I wish I still had all my notes, or remembered more details from my “Gospels of Matt, Mark, Luke” class I took in college. We discussed pretty in depth the evidence that a dude, apparently named Jesus, wandered around preaching and had a HUGE following. The miracles, etc may be “flair” added to the story, and he may not have actually been the son of God, but as Jamie’s stated repeatedly, most historical scholars agree that the man himself existed.
For those saying that they want a “non-religious” text as proof…you do realize that most anything that was put down in writing was done so by the church at that time? Normal people couldn’t read, let alone write for the most part, and historical records were kept by church scribes. Repeated transcription & translation does account for some of the variability in the Gospels, btw. An ambitious scribe with an agenda might change a word here or there, then things get lost in translation from Hebrew, to Greek, back to Hebrew, and into Latin then English….
@mom424(152)Also thanks! Yes I hope I’m wrong, but America has encircled Iran and the ‘new enrichment site’ could be the spark!! Of course Russia and China not to mention India would not take kindly to an attack.
Forgot to add; Israel may be used as the aggressor…the christian fundies want their ‘rapture’ which requires armageddon!!
Well this conversation is going around in circles.
Regardless, it’s still a good list.
Everyone has an opinion, they just don’t know how to express it properly or logically.
@lostatsea1 (164): So glad you showed up. Love to read your posts. I agree with mom424 and hope that those ‘sources’ are wrong. *sigh* We don’t need anymore of that kind of crap.
@oouchan(166)Konichiwa
I’m not usually wrong, tensions are high and the economic situation needs a distraction.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15364
The movement of more troops to A’stan and involvement of more NATO forces is worry-some!
9/11 Truth. An American Enigma
A Message to Truth Activists
By Prof Peter Phillips
URL of this article: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15300
Remember this is what started this mess!!
I’m excitedly awaiting the “10 More More Conspiracy Theories”. It could possibly include: Was Kurt Cobains death actually a homicide not a suicide? Were there a 4th and 5th party involved in the Columbine High School shooting? Was AIDS a lab-created virus to wipe out a certain race population or perhaps to control over-population? Is Elvis really working behind the counter at the local 7-11? Did Paul McCarthy really die in an auto-accident and was replaced with a look-a-like? What about the chemtrail theory or contrails behind planes being a biological chemical deliberately sprayed? Is the floridation of water good for your teeth or is there some hidden adgenda behind it? The list goes on and on and on.
Very interesting, especially the one regarding Jesus Christ.
@Spooky (169): ***** dude, ur blowin’ my mind…
@lostatsea1 (167): Screw that man, we barely have enough for our first 2 wars (which are unnecessary in the first place), if we invade Iran too, I sure as hell ain’t getting drafted. I’ll try and move to Canada, at least they have universal healthcare.
Anybody want to stage a flash mob at montauk?
lets bring this *$%&39 DOWN!
And one more thing. Here is my futile attempt, but at least I know I made an attempt.
Can we please stop debating? All the Christians are saying “blahblahblah Jesus” and all the atheists are saying is “blahblahblah no Jesus” it’s truly annoying. No one is going to change their mind, and your comments are in vain, both sides. Why not congratulate flamehorse on his excellent list? Why not go to a religious themed list and spew your futile arguments all over that? Why contaminate the comments with yet ANOTHER time-wasting, space-wasting argument that will not get anybody anywhere. If your ego is so inflated and so delicate that you MUST argue, do it in the comments for a list that at least pertains to the subject matter. Why have the ENTIRE comment thread consist of a useless argument over 1 solitary list item?
You are all arguing, not debating in a civilized manner. You throw taunts at one another, and do nothing to play your side in any more mature of a manner. So basically, all the atheists and all the Christians who are arguing are doing a ***** poor job of gaining any ground for their side. So, considering war was never officially declared in the first place, why not just stop? No evidence that anybody can provide will be accepted. You could post a link to the most die-hard, indisputable evidence that could possibly exist, the one-hitter-quitter for your team, and the other team will grasp at straws until a excuse is snatched up that may sound like it possibly be reasonable under very obscure circumstances… maybe. The point of arguing is to convince the other person you are right. You have all of you of all points of view failed to the most miserable, dismal amount of failure you possibly could have failed to, because guess what? Your opponent doesn’t give a ***** what you have to say, and you don’t give a ***** what he or she has to say.
And my last rant: Stop picking on JFrater. He is defending his side. You don’t agree? Fine. But throwing little jabs in like “oh yeah you have evidence let’s see it” is just plain stupid, because if he did post evidence you would deny it regardless, as per my last paragraph. And for God’s sake, he’s the site moderator. He made this site so that people could come on here and read interesting and entertaining articles, not so that a bunch of Internet pricks can insult him. I’m sure if he wanted he could have your usernames banned, I mean, it IS his website and he can run it however the hell he pleases. But you know, he puts up with of your naggy immature bull*****, and I know for damn sure I would ban you guys in a heartbeat. It’s possible to disagree in a calm, non-hostile manner. Just show some *****ing respect, because without him you guys wouldn’t have a frigging website like this to come and throw up all your useless bull***** on. That’s the same thing as if you walked into my house and crapped on my kitchen floor.
And if anybody disagrees or has a problem with what I just said, the only way I know you can for sure get me to give a ***** is track me down, come to my home, and lick my taint.
@ ianz09
I hate to have to say it, but do you really think that anyone that massive post is directed at is going to read the whole thing, much less listen to it? Just as they won’t convince each other, you won’t convince them. I’m not saying that your purpose isn’t noble, its just pointless…
@MahMah (175): I know man. It just makes me feel better to know that I managed to type it. People won’t quit just cause I posted, but it stopped me from having an aneurism, so it wasn’t totally useless.
Exodus is not a proven fact, if you study the actual documented history Egypt there is serious doubt that there were the massive flux of Hebrew slaves as depicted in the bible. Assuming that the enslavement and exodus occurred during the Middle Kingdom, as thought by certain biblical references including the building of two cities for Ramses, there is a plethora of information from that period. None of said information refers to massive amounts of Hebrew slaves or to a mass exodus. Certainly, there is no literature from that time that points to the plagues that supposedly rained down on Egypt that were described in the bible.
The Middle Kingdom of Egypt was a vibrant time in Egyptian culture with many foreign peoples populating the land. Egypt had just recently reclaimed its society from being controlled by foreigners and thus were suspicious. Therefore, they assessed many more taxes on foreigners than on native Egyptians. During this period many cultures relocated, peacefully and staggered. Not in the mass exodus described in the bible. Also, recent evidence suggests that the “slaves” who built the cities and temples were respected artisans and workers. Of course, there were slaves in Egypt, as in most cultures of the time, but not the massive numbers portrayed in the bible. And most certainly not all hebrew.
It is suprising that an empire with such a rich and well documented history would be completely silent on such events as described in the bible. These chapters in the bible were written much later by hebrew priests attempting to make a great and powerful history for their small nomadic tribe. This tale ended with the Hebrews conquering the land of Israel thus giving rise to the myth of a Jewish holy land. This is obviously a story meant to give hope and spirit to people, to show that though they were outnumbered their God would save them
You know what? I’m gonna spark a debate on every new thread for the next week. Religion, politics, whatever else is controversial. Regardless of the actual subject matter of the list, I’ll bet that people will throw *****ing fits over the dumbest comment.
I think the Montauk Project conspiracy would make a pretty cool movie.
It seems to me that a lot of conspiracies seem to be wishful thinking from people who want real life to be more like the movies.
When I saw the list item title “The Clinton Body Count”, I immediately thought of something completely different!
@claudy (5): Love conspiracy my husband thinks Michael Jackson faked his death and has run off with all the money from concert ticket sales, to escape his crappy life!
He escaped to the Moon base he built in the late 90′s using rocket fueled by new fuel called “Jesus Juice” (it’s made from plants growing in Mexico). Want proof? Brook Shields, MJ’s closest friend: “We need to look up, where HE IS UNDOUBTEDLY PERCHED ON A CRESCENT MOON, and we need to smile”