The definition of an empire is: when a single entity has supreme rule and power over a vast area of territory, which consists of peoples of different ethnicity and nationality. This list is based on the influence, longevity and power of the various empires, and, as you will see, it contains at least one or two entries that may strike some as controversial. My one requirement for this list is that the empire must have been ruled – for at least a majority of the time – by an emperor or king. This excludes modern so-called empires such as the United States and Soviet Union. The entries here are listed roughly by influence and size.

At the height of its power (16th–17th century), the Ottoman Empire spanned three continents, controlling much of Southeastern Europe, Western Asia and North Africa. It contained 29 provinces and numerous vassal states, some of which were later absorbed into the empire, while others were granted various types of autonomy during the course of centuries. The empire was at the center of interactions between the Eastern and Western worlds for six centuries. With Constantinople as its capital city, and vast control of lands around the eastern Mediterranean during the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent (ruled 1520 to 1566), the Ottoman Empire was, in many respects, an Islamic successor to the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire.

The Umayyad Caliphate was the second of the four Islamic caliphates (systems of governance), established after the death of Mohammed. It was ruled by the Umayyad dynasty, whose name derives from Umayya ibn Abd Shams, the great-grandfather of the first Umayyad caliph. Although the Umayyad family originally came from the city of Mecca, Damascus was the capital of their Caliphate. Eventually, it would cover more than five million square miles, making it the largest empire the world had yet seen, and the fifth largest contiguous empire ever to exist. The Umayyads established the largest Arab-Muslim state in history. From the time of Mohammed until 1924, successive and contemporary caliphates were held by various dynasties – the last being the Ottoman Empire (above).

Babylonian, Akkadians, Assyrians, Sumerians, Hitites, Bactrians, Scythians, Parthians, Medes, Elamites, Egyptians, Ethiopians… Before the Romans, there were the Persians. They basically unified the whole of Central Asia which consisted of a lot of different cultures, kingdoms, empires and tribes. It was the largest empire in ancient history. At the height of its power, the empire encompassed approximately 8 million km2. The empire was forged by Cyrus the Great, and spanned three continents: Asia, Africa and Europe.

The Byzantine Empire, or Eastern Roman Empire, was the Roman Empire during the Middle Ages, centered on the capital of Constantinople, and ruled by emperors in direct succession to the ancient Roman emperors. It was called the Roman Empire, and also Romania. During its existence, of over a thousand years, the Empire remained one of the most powerful economic, cultural and military forces in Europe, despite setbacks and territorial losses, especially during the Roman–Persian and Byzantine–Arab Wars. The Empire received a mortal blow in 1204 by the Fourth Crusade, when it was dissolved and divided into competing Byzantine Greek and Latin realms. Despite the eventual recovery of Constantinople and re-establishment of the Empire in 1261, under the Palaiologan emperors, successive civil wars in the fourteenth century further sapped the Empire’s strength.

During the Chinese period of warring states, the whole of China was embroiled in a civil war as the different kingdoms within it battled it out with each other in the quest for supremacy. In the end, the Qin State won, and gobbled up the whole of China, with 40 million people under it’s control. The Qin Dynasty didn’t last long, and soon it went to the Han, which eventually controlled China for close to 400 years. The period of the Han Dynasty is considered a golden age in Chinese history in terms of scientific achievement, technological advance, economic, cultural and political stability. Even to this day, most Chinese people refer to themselves as the Han people. Today, the “Han people” is considered the largest single ethnic group in the world.

At it’s greatest extent, the British empire was known as the largest empire in history, as it covered more than 13,000,000 square miles, which is approximately a quarter of the Earth’s total land area, and controlled more than 500 million people – again a quarter of the world’s population. As a result, the legacy it imprinted on these conquered lands is tremendous in terms of political reform, cultural exchanges and way of life. The English language, which it spread, is the second most-widely spoken language in the world today, and many linguistics agree that English is the defacto standard language of the world. The British empire is definitely one of the most influential empires ever to have existed in human history.

During the middle ages, they were considered the “superpower” of their time. At it’s height, the Holy Roman Empire consisted of eastern France, all of Germany, northern Italy and parts of western Poland. Despite being relatively small in terms of Empires, its influence on the history of central Europe is still felt today. Incredibly the Empire lasted from the early middle ages ages to the 19th century. The Empire was formally dissolved on 6 August 1806 when the last Holy Roman Emperor, Francis II (later Francis I of Austria), abdicated following a military defeat by the French under Napoleon. Upon its collapse, the following nations emerged: Switzerland, Holland, the Austrian Empire, Belgium, the Prussian Empire, Principality of Liechtenstein, Confederation of the Rhine and the first French Empire.

The Russian Empire was a state that existed from 1721 until the Russian Revolution of 1917. It was the successor to the Tsardom of Russia, and the predecessor of the Soviet Union. It was the second largest contiguous empire in world history, surpassed only by the Mongol Empire, and the third largest empire behind the British Empire and the Mongol Empire. At one point in 1866, it stretched from eastern Europe, across Asia, and into North America.

It all started when Temujin (who was later known as Genghis Khan), vowed in his youth to bring the world to his feet. He almost did. His first act was unifying the scattered Mongolian tribes. Then he set his sight on China, and the rest is history. From Vietnam to Hungary, the Mongol Empire is the largest contiguous empire in the history of mankind. Unfortunately for them, their empire was too big to be controlled, and there was no unity among the different cultures. The Mongols were fearless and ruthless fighters, but had little experience in administration. The image of the mongols as a brutal and savage people is renowned through history.

At first they were ruled by divine kings, then they became a republic (perhaps their greatest period) before finally becoming an empire. How a group of farmers, who started off fending wolves to protect their livestock, eventually became the greatest empire in all history is the stuff of legends. Coupled with an excellent military and administrative system, the Roman Empire, or rather ancient Rome, is also one of the longest-lasting. Counting from its founding to the fall of the Byzantine empire, ancient Rome lasted for a whopping 2,214 years!
Ancient Rome contributed greatly to the development of law, war, art, literature, architecture, technology, religion and language in the Western world. In fact many historians consider the Roman Empire to be a perfect empire – influential, fair, long-lasting, big, well defended and economically advanced. The influence of the Roman Empire is felt to this day, if for no other reason than the influence on the Catholic Church, which took much of its administrative nous and pageantry from it.




















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Where is the american empire?
In the first paragraph.
I look stupid now, and so i should.
seriously what american empire…. god people if u are american WAKE UP!!!! unfortunatelly u are the last population to ever form a country!!!!! u have no history whatsoever oh if u mean those 200 years u exist ok ….. u re stupid!!!!!
Maria, what country are you from? So I may compare our "empire" credentials. The United States is a modern empire. It is not an empire in the classic sense. The USA has a very rich history, not as old but just as interesting as many countries.
Really ‘Justin K Weaver’ what world are you living on? Oh of course the self-aggrandizing world of America. The USA has a yawn worthy history, the interesting parts being shared with the British, French and Spanish. It doesn’t and never had supreme rule and power over a vast area of territory, which consists of peoples of different ethnicity and nationality – Canada has more territory than the US, and those of different ethnicity and nationality who reside in the US either chose to go their as colonists (and those seeking a better life in the new world) or slaves.
Really, learn your own History – was America’s constitution and founding fathers deliberately didn’t choose to set up an Empire – they set up a powerful, Republic of the free who didn’t impose their rule over those who didn’t want it.
When People think empire they tend to think land mass or power to control. Key factors to what an empire is is that all empires contained conquered or ceded lands. Empires in essence are a thing of the past. Our modern world would never allow it and war of staggering effects would follow!
So if you were to say land mass was the key factor, then Canada right now would be the biggest empire, but if you think influential power then one would have to say the USA. On the other hand, if you thought fear inducing then you would have to say China!
Truth is, the last of the empires have died out. If History teaches us one thing it’s that empires never last forever. The longest lasing empire was Ancient Rome (over 2200 years). The largest empire3 was the Mongol followed by the British (a very close second an argued even still to be the biggest).
Influentially speaking, both the British and Ancient Rome are ultimately responsible for the way the world mostly works today and who’s cultures have changed everything in the way that we govern and even the way religion works.
But the last of the true empires died out with the end of Communist Russia and the ending of British rule over China and South Africa.
In summation, the USA is not an empire, Canada is not an empire and China is not an empire. Even so, two of these are actively imposing there influential muscle on other countries insisting that there ways are best or using military and financial means to impact foreign lands.
The truth is, empire or just solitary countries who impose there own traditions or beliefs or want for greater financial gain are the ones who truly start the wars.
Lastly, something to think about to prove my point, an example even in a slightest unintentional historical event would be world war two. The USA would have most if not all the world believe that the attack on Pearl Harbor was completely unprovoked. The truth is, the USA had in essence had embargoes on Japan after the attack on French Indochina and feared loss of financial gains from the war raging in China when Japan attacked them as well. The untold story on another hand was the rich Chinese Metal being shipped to the USA who in turn traded with the Japanese only SCRAP useless metals that couldn’t be used for hardly anything and literally caused there ships to sink. These trade practices was occurring for YEARS (before the 1900′s) long before WWII. The USA , British and the League of Nations had Japan’s balls in a sling and it was these actions of greed for metal and oil that prompted Japan’s hand to invade both China and French Indochina and put in place there own embargoes. So WWII between US and Japan was well on it’s way long before Pearl Harbor.
Would it surprise you to know that American History books rarely record this?
Point is, nobody was innocent when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, and don’t let anyone tell you differently! Find the truth for yourselves!!!!!
Seriously…what american empire??
The one that has military bases all around the world, a military budget more than the nearest ten after it combined, global currency trapped into the dollar, invades other countries, overthrows governments, interferes in other countries financing political parties and subversive activities through intelligence front NGO’s like the National Endowment for Democracy and USAID and supporting Islamic terrorism as a mercenary force (Atta and the 9/11 hijackers worked with the CIA and western intelligence since the Bosnian war and initially were recruited not to carry out 9/11 but to fight in another conflict as confirmed by 9/11 court cases in Europe and the official 9/11 report) all this after the fall of the USSR.
The 9/11 terrorists 'worked' with the CIA? Provide a cite please. Put up or shut the hell up.
It's sort of true and sort of not true. Al Qaeda recieved funding and training from the CIA back in the 80's to fight the USSR when it invaded Afghanistan. During the Soviet invasion Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were members of the Mujaheddin, a group of resistance fighters who were fighting the Soviets. They also received support, aid, and training from Saudi Arabia, the UK, China, Pakistan, Egypt, and Iran. The CIA operation to aid and train AL Qaeda was called Operation Cyclone. It's kind of disgustingly ironic but some of the stinger missiles Al Qaede used to shoot and American planes during the first year of the War in Afghanistan were given to them during Operation Cyclone by the CIA.
That's all well and good, however, you did not provide a direct cite nor shown any tangible evidence that the 9/11 terrorists worked hand in glove with the CIA.
He/she did open their statement w/ "It's sort of true and sort of not true." Not to mention that they didn't bring it up in the first place. Their statement is about as true/factual as you are going to get without drifting into the tinfoil hat zone.
Though eliminated in the first paragraph, it's ironic that you point out the USA but fail to mention the USSR, which was much more "imperial" than the US ever has been. Hell, the US has had many opportunities to just "take" the land/country, but has not. We could have just taken Iraq or Afghanistan, which is now being called the "Saudi Arabia" of minerals. But, we haven't and we won't. If you fail to understand that distinction, then you're just another lune.
Pity your troops couldn’t fight there way out of wet paper bags, USA without Nukes = Useless, Your army is horribly trained your population is fat and un healthy and more than 90% of you can’t tell the difference between fact and fiction, for example Americans Bowing there heads to Helen mirrien after she played the Queen in that film. Your useless and always will be, You claim to be the top dog, In reality you’ve never single handedly won a war – Vietnam you all got beat by jungle rats, Iraq war, your being owned by rag heads. whereas the UK single handedly beat Argentina in the falklands in like what 45 days? One of the shortest wars ever. It’s a well known fact the Brittish army has the best trained troops known to man.
You’d be speaking German if it wasn’t for the U.S.
@ K
We would be speaking German metaphorically (not realisticly) if it hadn’t been for the British Empire – they fought alone against the Nazi’s after its allies in Europe had fallen, and its ally, the USA, refused to help. If Brtian had fallen, the USA would not have entered the War and instead would have just fought the Japanese. Had they wanted to invade Europe they would have founded it near impossible with no staging ground. Please remember that the D-day Normandy landings were launched from the UK and included 80,000 British Empire troops along side 60,000 American Troops.
What help the USA gave they charged for, what help the British gave Poland it didn’t charge for.
Unfortunatly the Falklands drove alot of soldiers mad but its true without The United Kingdom Nazi Germany would of swept Europe and then moved on to America. I am also very sorry that it has comie to the world wars but i get so angry when i see these ignorant comments.
Boring Facts ( which i find intresting):
The Germans were unstopable before the Battle Of Britian Germany hadn’t been beaten they were also so confidant that they would win the broke the treaty with Russia early which is what lost them the war they couldn’t fight both of us at the same time GB was able to attack from the south and the north west and the same time due to the fact most of the world was under are control ( thank you commonwealth for being forced into the fight and making the bulk of are numbers and also the Polish who join up when they evacuated Europe) if japan left America alone they would of carried on sitting there selling weapons at extortionate prices ( we finished paying are debt in 2006 and we didnt charge for are help) eventually forcing most countries out of the fighting intill we would of lost and then the would of started on america which you wouldnt of been able to do anything about it because it was the attack on pearl harbour that forced you to see the threat and start preparing otherwise the Axis would of walked all over you.
I’m very sorry for the long comment and the fact i’m about to make it a bit longer Pearl Harbour was a military base so what if a few civilians died Britian was Bombs ever minute of every day millions died but we refused to surender not all of the Russians had guns some used Swords and they did not surrender France was Taken over and yet there resistance did not surrender America you should be ashamed those Atomic Bombs were Cowardly im glad you’re not an Empire because you are Tyrants so next time when you say you’d be talking German if it wern’t for use look back on history and know that id prefere to speak German than have Cowards running the world. I have more but it wouldn’t be fair once again i apologise for this comment in the section.
I respectively disagree with you there. The British WERE the best military fighting force, but what about the American Revolution, and the War of 1812???? We KICKED YOUR ASSES!!!!!! You know why? We are mutts. We have MANY backgrounds. We have people from China, India, Germany, Britain, France, Belgium, Italy… basically We have every ethnicity known to man. And We WERE an Empire. Philippines and Cuba both were under our control. And we brainwashed (almost) everyone on this planet that Democracy is a good Government. Right now we are losing our ground on the world economy. Because our roads are crap, and Infrastructure is falling down. What we need is a PR campaign about those “shovel ready” jobs. No one is celebrating them right now. That’s the problem with America right now. Its almost impossible to find a 70 year old building, but its quite easy to see a 40-50 year old home. And next time, UK guy, Don’t Judge a book by its cover. Oh and that last bit about the shortest war ever? What about the 6 day war????
At Chris, hhhmmm lets think the American Revolutionary War where the American’s used Guerilla Tactics and let the French, Spanish and Dutch do most of the fighting for you to kick us out of the America’s but did that work; well we owned Canada until 1982 (admitedly it was a self governing state after 1931 butstill) so not completely no. We only gave you independence because we knew that it wasn’t worth fighting the American Guerilla Fighters, French, Spanish and Dutch soldiers as we had an entire Empire to run. And you won the War of 1812? wow an American Invasion of Canada with around 12,000 soldiers up against 3,000 colonial soldiers went so well didn’t it? Oh wait yes you ran back to Washington and then we went in and burned it down and then withdrew from the invasion as we knew there would be no point as you’d just get the French, Spanish and Dutch to help you regain independence. You did win independence but the American Revolutionary War was not a complete success for the French, Spanish, Dutch and America and you lost the War of 1812 as your invasion of Canada was a failure and we then came down and destroyed Washington and were only defeated at New Orleans (with extremely sophisticated defences) and New York
At Chris, hhhmmm lets think the American Revolutionary War where the American’s used Guerilla Tactics and let the French, Spanish and Dutch do most of the fighting for you to kick us out of the America’s but did that work; well we owned Canada until 1982 (admitedly it was a self governing state after 1931 butstill) so not completely no. We only gave you independence because we knew that it wasn’t worth fighting the American Guerilla Fighters along with the French, Dutch and Spanish while we had an Empire to run and expand. You won the War of 1812? Do you really class invading Canada with 12,000 men against a force of 3,000 British Canadian Soldiers and retreating back to Washington which we then sent 30,000 men in to your country and burned down Washington then withdrew as a victory? We could’ve conquered the USA if we actually wanted as we were only really defeated at the Battle of New Orleans (due to the advance weaponry and sophisticated walling used as a defensive line)and at New York. Plus if we conquered you then you would’ve just cried to the French, Spanish and Dutch to help you regain independence. Learn real history before insulting the Greatest, Most Powerful Nation and Empire in History.
In addition, various colonies (a.k.a. "unincorporated territories") that it administers around the globe. Really, how is it not a definition of an empire?
It doesn't have an emperor or king. Does anyone read the opening paragraph anymore?
well, empires don’t need a king or a emperor empires are either Oligarchies or ruled by emperors and the US is a Oligarchy, of the rich that is
soulenfin – BECAUSE IT IS NOT AN EMPIRE!!!!”!
Read the definition: “a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom”
The USA is a Republic, a democracy ruling its own territory. The British, the French and more all have oversees terrotories and we no longer class our selves as an Empire.
Alexander Zhurkov – America is a Republic, an elected one, not an Oligarchy. Americas Upperclass are only Upper Middle Class when compared to the British Upperclass.
But the us has acted very imperialistically, considering the Spanish-American war, The Cold war, and the whole manifest destiny, and its punishing a country from obstructing our exploitation of them.
hahahhaha love it
It *****es me off how people think America has/is an empire. What are they teaching their kids over in those American schools for god's sakes? That is just sad. You invade a few countries (then leave), kill innocent people and claim to be doing a good job without taking any land and suddenly you're an empire? Get *****ed!
You ask, "Where is the American Empire?"
It's in your fat mama's panties!!!
The U.S. technically doesn't have an empire….never did.
I'm curious as to whether a company such as Dutch East India Trading company could potentially be considered an empire, I read somewhere that they were capable of waging war against nations. I suppose thinking like that might lead to the idea that microsoft, apple and McDonalds are all empires. Think about how many people they have influence over?
Sid, seriously a good & valid point about the Duch East India Company. They were able to influence/direct governments to do what they wanted to benefit the company and that included trade embargos, the supression of free trade competition etc. Does being the power behind the throne actually make you the Emperor?
Ye it was the same with the british east india company, they were given the right, by king and parliament, to wage war, self governance, exapansion and other autonomous privelages. Not sure they could be called an empire though because ultimately they answered to their home countries goverment.
Yeah, but doesn't the British Empire cover this already?
That is a very good point and would make a good entry on another similar sort of list.
Yes, but could they win an armed battle?
I really don't get the order. It says that its ordered roughly according to influence and size….Nope, I still don't get it. I guess the order doesn't matter too much. I'm pretty sure the Spanish Empire was incredibly influential in central and southern america. The French also has a very large empire at one point in history.
Great list – but i´m a bit puzzled that the Egyptians, e.g. Ramses II isn´t mentioned. Also due to the fact that the egyptian empire is one of the longest spanning in history.
But thx for the list
In fact, the *Empire* of Egypt was not long-lasting—it didn't really survive much past the reign of Ramses II. Egypt itself, the combination of the two kingdoms (Upper and Lower Nile) under one Pharoah (for most, though not all, of its history) went through various dynasties and foreign occupiers from about 2000 BC up until roughly the fall of Rome–but that is simply the entity of Egypt itself. As an actual *Empire*–the dominance of Pharoah over various kingdoms beyond Egypt—it was very short-lived and rather limited in scope.
Randall, old friend, you're posting guerrilla style these days.
i would have like to see the Egyptions on here too.
There is one minor mistake: The formation of the kingdom of Holland (which i guess you mean by Holland), though it happened in the same year, had nothing to do with the collapse of the Holy Roman Empire. The Netherlands hadn't been part of the Holy Roman Empire since the 15th century, and had been occupied by the French for 8 years already.
What's the picture of for #3?
It is a Russian monastery taken in the time of the Czars by color photography which was experimental at the time. There is more info (and more pics) here. And here can you view over 2,000 of his photos.
Excellent List!
Thank God I am able to talk about my turkish heritage and how important it was for history to unwrap itself!
the worst empire ever was your empire my friend nothing but savages who tried to kill people who were not muslims or didnt speak your language!!! so really , dont be so proud unless you ve done your homework first!!
Wow, of all 3 points you make all three are wrong….
read History … all eastern Europe Dead now? idiot .where they teach you? also this list is wrong . look at this http://www.smashinglists.com/top-10-greatest-empires-in-the-history-of-world/
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Hi, Maria… thanks for your deep explanation of ottoman empire…
and thinks what ignorant still exist in europe..
example? such as hungarian president!!!
have you heard his cpeach of ottomans?
he said hungary was so lucky that they were ottomans whom kept them under rule for nearly 300 years, thanks to ottomans hungary still have their own culture, lenguage and domestic values… if it were not ottomans, for sure it could have been totally different and maybe hungarians would have lost all their identities…
exactly he said like that…
sure he is president but does not know so much as you do about history…
let us to say it is ignarance of Mr president but not yours or your denial!!!!
greeks stayed nearly 500 years under ottoman empire but they are still christian, holds greek lenguage all the greek traditions, this sould be because of ottomans dictatorships? is this waht you reach with your brain?
Acually the ottomans taxed other religeons. you were free to practice as they at the time belived they were continuing rome. they granted all conquests citisenship but taxed christians and jews accordingly
read your history
Great list! The Roman Empire deserves to be no 1!
What have the Romans ever done for us?
Um, massive amounts of culture, democratic roots, the renasaunce, some of the most impressive structures of the world, art, combat tactics that euro nations used for centeries. i could go on forever
You plonker he was citeting the life of Brian, get off your gay high horse,
If this list proves anything it's that no Empire or Dynasty lasts forever. As the poem says "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" In other words everything goes to ***** sooner or later.
Yes, but each empire, like each person, must eventually give an answer to the question, "What did you leave behind?" The British left behind an ideal of good government and fair play, as evidenced by those unhappy few of its former colonies which rejected that legacy. The Mongols were nothing but sheer destruction and barbarism, their proto-pony express notwithstanding.
Don`t you just think it`d be great, if The British Empire were still around? If we were still in charge of places we once ruled, these countries wouldn`t be dumps. Just look at India-their leaders live beautiful lives, while the poor live in *****holes, their`s child prostitutes and their`s the "untouchables." India and Pakistan are still arguing over Kashmir, Aden is fighting Islamic fundamentalists, a few years ago, Kenyans were slaughtering each other, Burma is led by a military junta, Africa is led by self-centred thugs and don`t get me started on Zimbabwe! Why do people always say the British Empire was terrible? The Irish called The Union Jack, "The Butcher`s Apron," and "The Blood Never Dried." and, "The Brits invented slavery, and looted the world." But we didn`t!
I agree , although in South Africa the boers fought hard for their freedom from the british , i think any of them would take british rule over the corrupt selfish immoral turds running the country now .
india was one of the richest country in the world and the people were so united, until the british came and divided them to steal wealth.
Fools. Clearly Armadillotron's tongue is "firmly planted in cheek", as they say. Don't get so upset, gibbering halfwits.
Over the years hundreds of thousand of Britons, civil and military, gave their lives to uphold the British Empire, but let a Spaniard turned American, George Santayana (a noted philosopher), have the last word on the British Empire: ‘Never’, he wrote, ‘since the heroic days of Greece has the world had such a sweet, just, boyish master’.
Eh no India was divided into many different raj’s so it was very far from being united before the colonisation by the British!
Agreed, why is colonialism considered a bad thing now? Without influences from different empires, many so called "cultures" would still be at a tribal stage. And for the record, there has been more white slaves than black, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
OMG an Age of Empires aficionado´s point of view.
…priceless
Come on. This has to be a joke, right? You can't be THAT blindly nationalistic.
The British Empire, as empires go, was a tad more benign to some of its subjects, but just a tad. In fact, atrocities were committed on a *regular basis* by the British against their underlings—you clearly don't know much of the history of India under British rule, and it's apparent you're just conveniently ignoring what was done to Scotland and Ireland, two entities right on your doorstep. Moreover, what would have been done to America, had we lost our little revolution and faced British reprisal—which from the example of what was done to the Irish, would have been brutal and bloody.
And while the British Empire did not "invent" slavery, it certainly helped in perpetuating its modern face for a time.
Empires are injust, rapacious, and exploitative by their very nature. It's naive and silly, to say the least, to wish that your nation could still rule indigenous people across the globe, rather than that they be free–even if in freedom they make their own terrible mistakes.
He's not particularly fond of Joan of Arc, either.
good point , but it im talking right now . It would be awesom to have a govement that did its job and police that enforced the law and also being paid in pounds would kick ass…….
The modern day British, cynical and self-loathing as they are, are not fit to write the history of their late Empire.
totally agree with u …. if u havent read any of your history dont wright!!!! and for now i dont think that all of british citisents are so content and live in homes like maybe u do//// its called people living on the streets… maybe u havent seen them from your palace….
A lot has been made about atrocities that occurred during the British Empire, and indeed there were many. These were inflicted in the native population of the British Isles (England included) and the newer acquisitions as the empire grew. However, to judge the entire society using modern mores is pretty blind. Modern revisionist historian, notably in India, but other old empire strongholds believe that the benefits of empire far outwieghed any negative aspects. The empire's most rabid detractors (who are usually english oxbridge historians) admit that it ranks amongst the most benign institutions until the indroduction of modern welfare states. There are many people who wish to exaggerate the evil of empire for political or jingoistic reasons, but they must remember that it was never an empire of the english. It was always described as an empire of the scots and irish.
The modern argument against empire is the self-determination of indiginous peoples. This doctrine did not exist prior to the first world war and is impossible to implement in retrospect without major bloodshed.
Huh?
The entire idea of colonialism is to go to another place, take their ***** and tell the local dopes what to do. I don't think anyone really wants that. Just ask the American Indians what it's like to meet new and interesting people from far-away lands. We took their ***** and told them where to go, what to do, and how to do it, any *****ing was met with a swift kick in the balls and a rifle butt to the skull.
It's exploitation, friend. The invaders get all your resources and if you're lucky, they won't rape your women and send you off to their homeland to cut their grass, clean up their trash and sleep in the garage. But if it does happen, you don't get to say ***** about it or then they'll bring the muskets and cannons. Nothing says 'shut the ***** up' like a cannon ball to the solar plexis.
I haven't heard the people of India clamoring for the Brits to come on back for any of that.
Come on, we didn`t commit atrocities. We just had to teach them a lesson every now and again. And people say-"The British are imperialist thieves." That`s just rubbish. I`m not a nationalist madman, but I think it was necessary for us to conquer countries. Because if we hadn`t, they`d still be worthless idiots. Before we ruled India, they were still living like cavemen, then we came along and civilized them. Same goes for other countries we ruled. You should look at old photos of India under British rule and it now. and it`s obvious what`s better! And the slave trade was good for the country. It helped The Industrial Revolution. I don`t want to sound cruel, but people who lived like that deserved to be slaves. And you want atrocities? Check out the Islamic fundamentalist Ottoman Empire and the Armenian genocide.
then we came along and civilized them…people who lived like that deserved to be slaves
lol
Methinks you're dipping your toe in something that seems arrogant at best, racist at worst.
There is a difference between a historical description of what happened, and being a dickhead who says it was for their own good. Your definition of what's civil and what isn't probably exists in your own mind. In most cases 'civility' came with large doses of smallpox and the clap. Not to mention chains, whips, live ammunition target practice, and wholesale racism and discrimination.
Those last two items were nicely summarized by your statement 'people who lived like that deserved to be slaves.'
I was going to point out your obvious folly for emitting such an ignorant statement, but you know what? Just go ***** yourself instead.
Buc, don't bother. Armadillotron's post is the very definition of Mr. Trolly McTrollerson.
Oh yeah, we were terrible.. We killed Islamic and Hindu fanatics in India, we killed Jewish Terrorists in Israel-Palestine, we killed Communist Terrorists in Malaya, and the Mau Mau in Kenya, who held BLOOD RITUALS, who hacked CHILDREN to death with machetes. And whose Obama`s grandad was a member of!
The Mau Mau in Kenya?
The British killed 50,000 civilians in return for the deaths of 32 Europeans. 1 child was hacked to death with a machate. In return the British killed thousands of Kikuyu children.
Not only that, but concentration camps where built by the Churchill government 5 years after the fall of Nazi Germany to which they are often compared. These camps contained up to 1.5 million people including women and children, simply for being members of the Kikuyu clan.
I know who the Mau Mau were. They were vicious sadists. Who burnt villages to the ground, raped, tortured and murdered fellow Kukes, used these pathetic homemade "Guns," to try and kill us, amazingly, some did, set up mobs of Kukes to attack people, basically, they were a Kenyan version of the FLN in Algeria. Only Kukes were more sadistic. But people are never taught these things. And these are the people who want COMPENSATION MONEY from us! Unbelievable.
You're a *****ing idiot. I cite your above posts as evidence.
British Empire are actually also the first organisation to use concentration camps in recorded history.
***** the Queen.
and who made u GOD???
arrogant?? umm no one i kno who's arrogant says sh*t like that.
so no actually, in regard to Armadillotrons comment , that was just straight RACIST.
eitherway you do finish up that comment perfectly lol
try googling 'pitch-capping' 'penal laws' or 'black and tans'
even the most basic knowledge of world history can tell you that nothing good can come of one country invading, colonising or occupying another. supression of native cultures benefits no-one.
"Supression of native cultures benefits no one." Yes. It does. "suppressing another culture," benefits the natives. It gives them more of an identity. When we beat the ***** out of Wales, Scotland and then Ireland, People emerged who fought us, and then became national heroes in their countries and gave them an identity. The classic example William Wallace. The difference between England and other countries of the UK, is that conquering countries, was part of OUR national identity. Like when we conquered Ireland, and then later on India. Oliver Cromwell became part of national identity, because of Ireland, and then General Dyer did because of India. Sadly we don`t do that anymore.
Your rationale is pathetic and these ramblings are that of a hateful racist monster. No person deserves slavery. And if it was so good for all these countries to be held forcefully under British Rule then why did countless nations rebel against them? Hell the founding fathers of the U.S. were British and even they wanted nothing to do with them. The British committed countless attrocities to the native people whos lands they stole and raped of their resources. Last I recalled they tortured and executed tens of thousands of their own subjects to.
Going by your arguments…i feel you would be first one to offer your ass to be *****ed by aliens( if they ever come on earth) just because they are technologically more advanced and they think they are superior than you…
To Armadillotron,
Everything you wrote simply proves how BAD the British Empire was, since most of those problems are the result of British random borders and social engineering
The dismantling of the Holy Roman Empire was only the final stage of a process which had been going on for centuries. For all intents and purposes the HRE stopped having any real power over its members in 1648, and was an anarchronism even before then. The problem was that no single Emperor since the 13th century had ever actually ruled all Germany, Italy and Holland. Oh, the Hapsburgs were the Emperors, but the member states were independant states capable of fighting for and against Austria.
The HRE as a single united entity stopped existing arounf the time of the end of the Crusader States in 1291. After that no single Emperor ever ruled the 'official' bounds of the Empire. Not even Charles V could enforce his rule over the Empire.
As for: "Upon its collapse, the following nations emerged: Switzerland, Holland, the Austrian Empire, Belgium, the Prussian Empire, Principality of Liechtenstein, Confederation of the Rhine and the first French Empire."
This is just dead wrong. Prussia had existed since the late 17th Century, and was not officially part of the Empire for much of its existance. Seeing as how they fought and beat Austria twice in the 18th century they were hardly under Austrian rule.
As for the French Empire – France was never part of the Empire except if we go back to 900AD. As it was Napoleon was already Emperor of the French before dissolving the Empire. Switzerland and Holland had been independent for centuries before, and though both were occupied by the French this had no connection with the fall of the HRE.
So yeah…good list otherwise.
Rome! The greatest civilization of all time!
hell yes
My favourite of the empire builders is Alexander the Great. Man that guy knew how to get things done quickly. Shame he died so young. Others worth a mention would be the Egyptian and Assyrian empires. I think the Assyrians were very brutal towards their enemies eg having severed enemy head collecting competitions among the soldiers.
BREAKING NEWS: Italy football team beat New Zealand in Diving World Cup! :p
It`s a shame he isn`t around today.. Didn`t he conquer Afghanistan?
I think you'll find that they actually beat Australasia!
(Runs and hides.)
That’s why they call Britain ‘Great’!!! <3
They call us Great Britain to distinguish us from "Little Britain" which is a comedy sketch show. Oh, and its also a part of Northern France.
Yes, as you must know it goes back into old history when Britain did a lot of trading with northern France. The region of Brittany became so infested with Anglo-Saxons running around it became known as minor Britain, while the English mainland was referred to as greater Britain, later Great Britain.
I can't find the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great….I think it's Larger than Roman Empire….
I assume he isn't included since it only lasted during his lifetime.
except it wasnt greek, it was macadonian
But Alexander's empire was macedonian, not greek
Macedonia is in Greece.
now it is but then they were separate
#1 should have been the Evil Galactic Empire. It's easily bigger than all of these. Plus they had a Death Star.
Good point but the galactic empire was defeated by Mark Hamill.
not to mention a woman and gigantic teddy bear.
The Dutch East India Company? What about the English East India Company? Which later became The British Raj?
thanks for the informative list, freikorptrasher. It must have been very interesting to research and compose.
From an artistic point of view I have always loved the influence of the Ottoman and the Byzantine Empires, very mysterious and alluring.
Thanks for the links to the Russian photography Jamie. What an inspired and ingenious invention for the era. The results are completely unbelievable.
Hi, another ‘greatest’ list. Well lets hear it for the honorable mentions: The Dutch, the Spanish, the French, the Portuguese, and the Germans.
Empires eh? Well, to my mind, this has much to do with the notion that a man can ‘own’ a patch of dirt just by sitting on top of it. This lead to the term ‘occupation’; which has all kinds of negative connotations but it basically comes down to the same thing. Man-made borders, labels such as ‘country’ and ‘kingdom’, and titles such as ‘ruler’ only exist in the minds of men – and without man(kind)s say so, these things would not exist. Of course not. This fertile soil we live on is just that – fertile soil – and everything else is a story we made up around it (sometimes called Politics).
Now then, back to the list. For all those wondering which one of these is the ‘greatest’ today, i.e. largest by square foot of occupation space, then it would be the American Empire. Starbucks, McDonalds, and Kentucky Fried Chicken. Exxon, Pepsico and Walmart. JPMorgan, AT&T and Bank of America. That’s right, the empire is not ‘out there’ anymore, the new frontier is right here – at home and on the high street. Inside you and me.
Yes Americans obviously rule the world becuase there are a few McDonalds in the world.
BTW I love the language you are speaking, is it the only one most people that come from America speak fluently?
Yeah, very funny Mr. Beale. Have you ever seen this before: ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI5hrcwU7Dk
BTW, I'm not American. I'm a citizen of the world. I don't take anything at face value, and nor do buy into these business /political ideologies.
Well actually that is not entirely true, I mean there are well educated people like me who speak Five languages fluently, including Spanish, Italian, German, Mandarin, and of course English.
Well what I am trying to say not all Americans are like this, I’m originally from Europe and I have met others like me here, there are actually many of us over here who are taking college level classes at the age of twelve, only there are very few of us.
Of course if you are talking about Americans in general, you can go to any public school and see that the majority are just fat, lazy, ignorant people who don’t do their homework.
But still there are those who work hard, but the thing is there usually immigrants from Asia or Europe like me.
No spanish empire? It was much grater in extension and influence than most of the empires in this article.
What about Mughal Empire of India? Or the Chakras whose king Asoka is responsible for the spread of Buddhism throughout Asia?
hey why didnt you include the empire of Gengis Khan?
Thats the Mongol Empire dude.
I was happy to see the Huns included. I was thinking of them as soon as I saw the title of the list. Also, the Spanish Empire might be an added bonus with such a fleet as they had.
Good list. I learned a few new things this morning.
you meant the 'Hans?'
i like this list , as someone who wishes to hold the earth in the iron grip of his own empire someday- this list is useful to me in my plans ……….
What's the plan toinight, Brain?
ill give you a clue, …… it involves the french soccer team , their parents and a chille con carnival.
What we do every night, Pinky….try to take over the world.
man i really love that show .
British empire is #5?
If there was no world wars and people like Nelson Mandela and Ghandi kept silent, there still would be a thriving British empire. Just sayin'
What did Nelson Mandela have to do with the British Empire?
South Africa is/was (not sure) a member of the commonwealth nations of Britain like Australia and Canada, because they treated the natives black population like animals, Nelson Mandela campaigned against this and eventually became prime minister.
In my opinion this was another reason why the British empire eroded.
PS God bless Nelson Mandela
I meant i'm not sure if S Africa is still a member of the commonwealth. It was at one point but I'm not sure if it still is.
Just clarifying :p
South Africa got thrown out of the commonwealth because of its apartheid policy. The Empire has already "eroded" long before Nelson Madela's struggles against the South African governement to end apartheid. Racism did exist in the British Empire but to a far lesser extent than in other cultures. The British has a class system that far outweighed race in every respect. Indian and African aristocracy were feted and even married into by the Britsh aristocracy. The poor however, were discriminated against regardless of race colour or creed.
It's interesting that even before the Indian Mutiny it was against regulations to use corporal punishment against native troops. British troops could be flogged though, and were, often.
The natives WERE animals. Rapists, thugs, drug dealers/addicts, thieves and murderers. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist who advocated violence agianst people who didn't want to be associated with these scum. And yet he is held in God-like esteem by people all around the world?
Ever wonder why South Africa is the richest nation in Africa? It was because of the British and Dutch empires, not because of the ingenuity and perseverance of the natives.
Please respect peoples' opinions, it seems like if you do not accept what is widely believed then you are "racist".
I don't think you have any idea what apartheid South Africa was like and yet you have strong opinions that the natives were animals.
Nelson Mandela got sent to prison for 2 decades in solitary confinement for wanting to abolish apartheid. Thanks to him, there is no longer apartheid in S Africa.
Terrorist?
The founding fathers of America were deemed 'terrorists' by the British. Think about that next time you throw that word around.
dude im a white native south african – i agree with you in a sense , we are what we are because of the british empire , but still dont dis nelson mandela , that guy is the *****ing man , my gran was in the train station when he bombed it . My dad was a biker gang hoodlum and im a redneck ***** , but we all love that *****ing guy he is THE(mother *****ing) MAN!!!!! You cant not love him hes like jesus , hes so chilled , ***** that ***** that hapend to him.
What is the general feeling towards Nelson Mandela among the White community in South Africa?
Seen that I am from another country I don't know South African history in any great detail, but what I liked about Mandela was that, after he came out of prison, his attitude was not for anyone to seek revenge for anything that happened in the past, but to move forward to make SA a better place for everybody. It's sad that people like Julius Malema don't feel the same way he does.
>wow for a non-sothaffrican you are extremely well informed malema is a cocksucker , i hate him , i wish he would die , having said that , nelson mandela is a legend everone loves him , he is decent honest and just plain cool , when he dies i will morn , there are few people in history as solid and good as him . he is miles above ghandi in my opinion
I don't think Nelson Mandela did much to end the British Empire. i think he was more worried about fighting apartheid in South Africa.
The French and Spanish empires are worth mentioning indeed!!
Hello mr.writer i think the chinese golden age is the tang dynasty. And is it me or the whole of listverse is very hyped up about roman empire? The only reason i can think it is popular is because of its EPIC and legendary myths about its ruler and all. Not to forget about movies about roman era. Me think the most awesome empire will be the British empire.
roman empire lasted 2214 years , i dont even think i was born then?
my choice:
#10-byzantine
#9-persian
#8-ottoman
#7-greek
#6-holy roman empire
#5-egypt
#4-mongol
#3-russian
#2-british
#1roman empire!
Of all things british rule actually did was drain of wealth from south asian countries.Being ignorant is such a bliss for some people.Secondly,an honorable mention of the Mauryan kingdom of the India would have been appreciated.Nice list btw.
Good list, while I wouldn’t have the Holy Roman empire on a similar list, I’m glad to see the Byzantine empire on it. I’m just going to comment on one small detail. “Today, the ‘Han people’ is considered the largest single ethnic group in the world.”. I always thought that was an undisputable fact. But then I read an article by Gordon G. Chang there he, among other thing, wrote “Beijing, unfortunately, talks about the Hans as a majority grouping, but it is a made-to-order ethnicity with an important political purpose. Woe to the scientist who sets out to study China’s origins.” http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/18…
So apparently it can be debated if the Hans is a single ethnic group or not. Here it could be said that it’s easy to make fun of Gordon G. Chang since he predicted that China would collapse in the year 2006.
Ya where is the Spanish Empire? If you look at the height of the empire it was huge (dubbed the empire in which the sun never sets) Plus they held this huge powerful empire for hundreds of years!
Plus the biggest and most powerful fleet in the XVI century
The Spanish fleet wasn't that good……
The fleet was good, it had total dominance over the mediterranean and the southern atlantic for long time, but the backbone of the spanish empire was the infantry tercios (wich also had germans and italians but the spaniards were the really elite ones, never retreating) that didn’t lost a single battle for 200 years and were feared all over europe. Not many soldiers can say that in history, but they were not included in the list of better soldiers of history on this site (that and the omission of the spanish empire got me thinking).
The British Empire was also dubbed "The Empire on which the Sun Never Sets".
They copied it, it was first used applied to the spanish empire.
Wrong! British Empire was the first to be called this.
Because God doesn’t trust the English in the dark
How could the spanish copy anything of an empire that didn’t exist yet???
I really liked this list! I did not know that the Holy Roman Empire was an actual country. I thought that it was a coalition of states that joined together to assist each other both militarily and economically.
I qeustion wheather the picture for the Russian Empire is real or simply a stech. I also question why isn’t the Macadoinen Empire(Alexander the greats empire) mention. Yes I know it was short lived but Alexanders generals continued it.
its real boss —-
scroll up to like …. the coment frater made (around comment # 23-24-25…somewhere in there).
he included somee links — an info link and a link that goes to an archive of his work.
this russian cat named sergei mikhailovich prokudin–gorskii used a new technique called digichromatography, which is essentially a colour implentation technological process.
dude took pics in black and white, through 3 colour filterrs — red green and blue. the black/whites were captured onto 3 small glass plates. the gray scale glass captures, were overlayed (checking for continuity –seperation of colour — etc.)
the process oof putting the 3 images together was the biggest pain in the process, but considering he died in 1905 (?? — some time early century)…..the colour presentation was quite novel — and he was beyond his time for sure.
with the 3 images — one on top of the next — the final picture cme out darker, and somehing ws utalized tolighten up the contrast.
so — it's not colour photography, but rather colour representation, by proxy.
but im sure im not explaining it well — just go check out the links jamie provided — info there.
but, yeah, those arent sketches either.
I looked & looked but didn't find the comment to which you referred.
Still, I do know of the technique you write about. I had to reproduce it in one class I took, a post grad class, if I recall.
Your explanation was actually quite good.
hey you—-
if all of your comments are collapsed, you should see that the 7th comment (from @#$%!!) asks what the picture for #3 is.
there is one reply, its from jamie, he identifies it as a russian monistary, identifies the type of photo — and follows with this quick sentence.::
@jfrater: "There is more info (and more pics) here. And here can you view over 2,000 of his photos."
—–he has hyperlinks built into both the words here — the first "here" goes to an info page —the other goes to a gallery.
actually —–scratch the above—- dont hunt for it—–
the info page is here:: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/
the gallery page is here:: http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search?st=grid&c=…
and thx — it didnt seem like a good explaination, because im super tired, but it got the point across — the only thing is that it was mostly off the top of my head, and i really dont know when he died — upon thinking about it i think he was born *around* 1860, and lived *around* 65 years — but im not even totally sure of those #s either
And also gave rise to the rule of Ptoloemy in Egypt, which lasted hundreds of years.
This is the first list in a long while in which I would not change a thing. Good list and well done.
Awesome list but I thought I'd see the Inca Empire here somewhere. Now, I may be mistaken but I understood that on the peak of their power, the Inca empire was even more powerful than the Roman Empire itself. Still, it would've been great to see an American (and I mean American as in American continent) entry here.
Yes, that would have been refreshing. Maybe in place of the Holy roman Empire?
I'm so wanting to play again Civilizations IV now…
Good List !!!
@Armadillotron: GO see the pics before the british invaded India. If there was nothing in India, the british wouldnt have invaded India at all. India was called the golden country before the british looted it. The culture than china and india have, does back ages. Whats the british culture? For that matter do you even have anything to call your own? Everything you have has been stolen from someone or the other!
Americans conquered the Indians because they had superior numbers and weaponry. Get over it. It wasn't right but it has been going on throughout history. As for America being such an evil empire you should probably go to France and visit all the men that died to help end the holocaust and defeat Hitler . I know how much everyone in Iraq loved Saddam killing thousands of Kurds and not caring about his people. ***** America had to come ruin it all. I know America has problems but I can't stand people acting like it's a massive evil empire.
We do have problems but id have a hard time living elsewhere.
Yea, it's funny how we still have all these people trying to get in to such a "bad" country. Go figure.
The Kurds were never mentioned when Saddam Hussein was still the Wests ally. And in terms of caring for the citizens of foreign countries the US has quite a track record of overthrowing quite a few democratically elected countries in Central and Southern America and replacing them with tyrannical dictators such as Pinochet, in many cases to benefit the US economy. I see that as an empire.
If not for American charity and investment over the past century, half of the people overseas protesting against America nowadays would have never even been born. They hate America for the same reason teenagers hate their parents.
Thats pretty freudian,a nd I suppose it explains america's relationship with Britain.
@kortor (68)
That image isn’t a sketch. It is an old color photograph taken by Sergey Prokudin-Gorsky during 1910.
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/
Well honestly I’m a bit disappointed to not find the Mughal Empire on the list but I’m sure there is a reason! Anyone?
Good point. This is a wonderful list nonetheless but I really wonder how the entries are short listed. It excludes many great empires. Mughal and Mauryan empires of India covered around 5 million sq kms on their heyday. Not only that….Mauryan empire was the world's first richest empire making India the strongest economy at that time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empi…
Props to my AP World Teacher. I knew of all of these!
This was a kick ass list. The mongols were bad ass hombres
I know that it`ll never happen, but if there was a war between the Mongol Hordes under Genghis Khan and when Rome was in it`s prime, under Caesar, not psychos like Nero, or during The Crisis of The Third Century, who would win? I think Genghis Khan. The Mongols created the biggest land empire ever, but Rome lasted longer than any other empire, before or since. So who`d win?
Mongols, perhaps. They lure enemies with horse archers into ambushes. This tactic is perfect to defeat the Romans after Marius' reform, where light cavalry is used to distract the enemy while their main body marches to the enemy…
okay, this is a first for me. I have never said "What about….?" before, but I say it now.
What about the Minoans?
While it's true they didn't go warring with the world, they did make themselves rich and powerful by making themselves the hub of the trading world.
They had discovered how to create Brass, they were situated exactly (at the time) in the center of the world, where every one had to pass by, and the Minoans traded with everyone, creating a powerful, rich beyond compare paradise with such inovations as sewers, plumbing, heating, great storehouses of food and drink. Artisans were prized and decorated the buildings. It was an Empire of beauty and wealth, an Empire of peace.
Of course, it all disappeared when the volcano it was built on blew up, but the Minoan empire, it's way of life, continued to influence Crete, Greece, and other countries who had traded with them.
your whole middle paragraph (the innovations) is all the more impressive if its noted that the period of time youre referring to goes from around 3700 b.c. and 1000 b.c. — ( it has been suggested that inhabitants of crete go back as far as —what?..7000 b.c., i believe?)
just due to the influence and longevity, i do agree with you (and i say "what about…?" like every day to spark an idea or a discussion)
you were referring to the eruption on thera, i believe — which was around 1625 b.c. or so — which they pinpointed beause they found that olive tree under the lava flow.
of course, there were also a couple earthquakes — one before and one after the eruption — that were catastrophic to these people in triality with the eruption
– the minoan people and the mycenaeans after them ( and if im not mistaken, the timeline is subject of heavy debate) influenced waaay more than most people think — what with all of the art (pottery ceramics) on top of your list — plumbing, etc. — the face of greek mainland not only changed by influence of the minoans, but most of anatolia, and in an art-heavy way, egypt too.
–this is most definately a shoe-in for a top 10 (or 5 even), most influential trading trading societies.
very good call seggie — i am under the impression that many characteristics of these people is lost on *some* current historical scholars, probably due to the breadth of other empires. i learned about them while studying hyroglyphics in high school in albuquerque, but have come across too many peopple that hardly know any of the minoan influences you referred to.
you get a happy face sticker
gold stars to both of you !!
As a person from Crete, I always find that people seem to 'miss' the Minoan civilization…
ollie, that whole society was just jaw-dropping if you study it at all. The trading, the architecture, the art, not to mention that this was all going on in a peaceful society. I am one of those convinced that the minoens are the template for Atlantis.
Funny you should mention studying hieroglyphics. Way back in the 70's when the Tut exhibit was making it's first tour of the U.S., I was a member of the S.F. museum…which meant I got tix to a special members only event before it was open to the public.
So, wanting to be prepared, I took a class at UCSF in Egyptian hieroglyphics. By the time the exhibit came around I could read most of the cartouches…it was great!
S., honey, there's sadly no real evidence that the Minoan civilization was an actual "empire" in the sense of the word we're used to. The Minoans certainly had a great deal of influence, and evidence suggests that they held some sort of hegemony over the Aegean and perhaps much of the Eastern Mediterranean—but there's no real proof that they ruled over other kingdoms, such as Mycenean Greece or any other mainland sites. Clearly, they lived without fear of outside aggression–their now-ruined cities on Crete existed without walls or fortifications. This suggests that they were badass enough to keep everyone around them in check–until, that is, the aformentioned explosion of Thera dealt them a killing blow. But whether Minoan Crete can be properly called an "empire" is at best highly debatable.
Very interesting – I've been to Crete and explored some wonderful Minoan structures at Malia and Knossos, and their treasures in Heraklion (sp?) – two thumbs up segues.
Thanks Randall for that amazing addendum. You stirred my imagination.
Thanks, Lifeschool!
How I wish that the minoen civilization didn't get blown to bits. What a fabulous history we might have had otherwise.
~sigh~
Life is full of "if's".
Randall, reread my post. I didn't call them an Empire in the sense of the word usually used in conjunction with that word. I also explained why I put them forth as an entry, although they don't fit the criteria.
(I knew you'd fight the idea).
I feel like calling you dally, just because I like the name…and because I've always considered you a friend, even when you disagree with me.
I'm just going to write that I liked your comment. Intereseting thinking.
Thanks, Lucian.
I've always considered them as the probable model for the "lost island of Atlantas". It certainly does fulfill all of the criteria, and the timing is about right, too.
What about the Nazi Empire? Should be an honorable mention atleast.
That`s a good point.. Hitler did have an Empire for a while. As did Japan. They ruled Korea. It`s a shame Japan still isn`t, then we wouldn`t have crazy Kim Jong ll!
Yeah it may have been one of the shortest lived empires, but it changed to world dramatically.
The Japanese aren't responsible for Kim Jong-Il. The Russians are. (Or at least the Russians were responsible for Kim Il-Sung, and he was responsible for Kim Jong-Il.
No man, I guess Russia is to blame for the birth of communism you're right there but its China who are responsible for the communist north Korea.
Would be easier for me to just paste this, tan explain myself.
"North Korea became a communist country when Mao Zedong introduced it to them. Mao Zedong was a Chinese leader and then he want communist to spread out all over the world but their plan was not accomplished instead they introduced it to North Korea. North Korea is near China(South East of China). Kim il- Sung, the leader of North Korea on that time likes the communist and he change their kind of government to communist. Communist by the way have equality but there's no freedom at all. No time to abode, cannot talk about the leader because if they talk about the leader(bad side of the leader), they can be killed. After the people there graduated, they will serve the state. Now, they have their good leader Kim Jong iL. Kim Jong iL is the successor of Kim il-sung and now, Kim Jong iL has a Nuclear Power Plant and that's why America(the allied of South Korea) cannot invade the country of Kim Jong il because he said that "if you will attack my country, all people here including me will die"..Kim Jong iL made his people as a human shield for their country. "
From Yahoo Answers
Wrong! Kim Il-sung received his early communist indoctrination and military experience under the Chinese, but he was installed into power by the Soviets. The most authoritative source I can find in the CIA world factbook, which states "Following World War II, Korea was split with the northern half coming under Soviet-sponsored Communist control."
Otherwise, I am forced to cite Wikipedia, which states (edited):
"According to the official version, Kim’s family participated in anti-Japanese activities and in 1920 they fled to Manchuria. The more objective view seems to be that his family settled in Manchuria like many Koreans at the time to escape famine.
In 1931, Kim had joined the Communist Party of China. In 1935 he became a member of the Northeast Anti-Japanese United Army, a guerrilla group led by the Communist Party of China
Kim met the man who would become his mentor as a Communist, Wei Zhengmin … Wei reported directly to Kang Sheng, a high-ranking party member close to Mao Zedong "
So, up to now, a creature of the Chinese.
"Wrong!"
No need for the exclamation mark, its rude goddamn it.
It's! a! free! world! and! I'll! type! as! many! exclamation! marks! as! I! goddamn! like!
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"In 1940, pursued by Japanese troops, Kim and what remained of his army escaped by crossing the Amur River into the Soviet Union. Kim was sent to a camp near Khabarovsk, where the Korean Communist guerrillas were retrained by the Soviets. Kim became a Captain in the Soviet Red Army and served in it until the end of World War II.
When the Soviet Union declared war on Japan in August 1945, it fully expected a long, drawn-out conflict. However, much to Stalin's surprise, the Red Army churned into Pyongyang with almost no resistance on August 15. Stalin realized he needed someone to head a puppet regime. He asked Lavrenty Beria to recommend possible candidates. Beria met Kim several times before recommending him to Stalin. It is widely believed that Kim was selected over several more qualified candidates because he had no ties to the native [Korean] Communist movement.
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"Kim arrived in North Korea on August 22 after 26 years in exile. According to Leonid Vassin, an officer with the Soviet MVD, Kim was essentially "created from zero." For one, his Korean was marginal at best; he'd only had eight years of formal education, all of it in Chinese. He needed considerable coaching to read a speech the MVD prepared for him at a Communist Party congress three days after he arrived. They also systematically destroyed most of the true leaders of the resistance who ended up north of the 38th parallel."
I recently read a book about North Korea called "Rogue Regime- Kim Jong Il and the looming threat of North Korea" written by Jasper Becker (published in 2005 and a good read) that said that, according to Soviet records, Kim Il Sung's real name was not Kim Il Sung. I can't remember what it was, I should find the book and confirm. Kim Il sung was apparently the name of a revered Korean freedom fighter, and in order to make him acceptable to Koreans this guy was presented as Kim Il Sung when he returned to Korea. However, there were many who suspected he was a fraud. Again, I will get the book again so I can have a bit more detail.
Again relying reluctantly on Wikipedia:
Kim's original name was Kim Seong-Ju. At some time he took the name "Il-Sung", which means "become the sun", and which had been used by another man. Maybe there was an attempt to pass "this" KIS off as the other one, or maybe everyone was aware they were two different men. Because of the secrecy, it may never be possible to be sure.
I wouldn't put it past him to be honest, Kim Jung-Il claims to have been born under a double rainbow, when he was actually born in a refugee camp in some war torn hell hole.
I understand what you are saying but "This list is based on the influence, longevity and power of the various empires". They didn't really influence much, it wasn't very long but I do give them the power one. As bad as it seems, the Nazis were great at military strategist and I admire that though the cause was one I don't respect. I'm sure if they had conquered Europe and Asia they would definetly have been mentioned on this list.
I don't think military occupations come under as 'empires'.
But if they did, they should be number one. Controlled most of Europe in under 5 years
No, what I mean is that if Japan were still ruling Korea as a colony, I think they colonized Korea in 1910, then other countries wouldn`t have taken over the two Koreas. We wouldn`t have had South Korea ruled by that guy, something Rhee. and North Korea wouldn`t have been ruled by Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il`s dad. That was a bad Korea move. (sorry, couldn`t help it) Still, on a lighter note, it`s nice to see South Korea do well in the world cup.
hahaha
That was the best reply I had ever on this site.
No hostility, and a sense of humor.
You sir, are a winner
Congratulations.
Japan ruled Korean right up to the end of WW2. They lost Korea at the end of the war like they lost everything else.
When I lived in Korea, I called my travel blog "A Korea move".
disagree…egypt, ghana, mali, songhai…should also be on the list
Ottoman Empire? What's that? An entire civilization based on putting your feet up? – Jerry Seinfeld
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Awesome list!
Portugal and Spain held 2 of the biggest empires in all history, as for in extension, wealth, and military might. lasting for well over 300 years before starting to "colapse". nuff said.
We always see in documentary and all about who has the biggest empire eva. The chinese, mongol alexander…..They always start the introduction with "(name of empire) was the biggest empire the world has ever seen". Can we settle it here once and for all which one is the biggest empire eva?
"Everybody knows that the ancient world ran down into the completed Roman Empire as into a reservoir, and everybody knows that the modern world has flowed outwards from that reservoir by various
channels."
– Hillaire Belloc, Hill and the Sea, 1906
"It is easy to speak of the Empire and to say that it established its order from the Tyne to the Euphrates; but when one has travelled alone and on foot up and down the world, and seen its vastness and its complexity, and yet everywhere the unity even of their bricks in their courses, then one begins to understand the name of Rome."
–Ibid
"If you had gone into the square of any Mediterranean town in the first century you would hardly have known where you were, any more than you would in an airport today."
–Kenneth Clark, Civilisation, 1969
The kingdom of David and Solomon in Judah and Israel was not, in and of itself, any great deal. But the memory of it has set more passions in motion than the political actions of many a greater empire.
excellent list
You forgot china buddy… outlasted the roman empire just a tad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China
2100 BC (roughly) to 1911 AD.
China was more a succession of seperate dynasties than one specific empire though, and the Han Dynasty, which was probably the peak of Chinese imperial power was included anyway
China was hardly ever an empire. If you search through history books you will discover that they had many Dynasties at the same time. They even once had 4 emperors at one time. they were a mix of provinces for over centuries had warred with each other. They were rarely ever united over anything, in fact there has been so much bloodshed in China over 4000 years, that many believe by legends that this is why the sands are red!
Persia as 8th ?
Great list! My only criticism, is that I would of liked to have some information on how they all dissolved.
Mucho… as a white south african, I would like to make it clear that most south africans do not hold the same views as mucho, and that we are generally proud of what our county has become and the role that Nelson Mandela played.
I doubt that idiot has ever set foot in S Africa let alone live there.
Man, wish I could have made it for the world cup, but those goddamn vuvuzelus. I'm glad I couldn't make it hahaha
hmmm, I thought that the Mongolians never successfully invaded Vietnam.
Wow, no African empires on the list? Interesting…
I guess you can’t read, try Egypt, they were the first!