People all over the world are familiar with what happened on September 11, 2001. On that morning, 19 al-Qaeda terrorists hijacked four US commercial passenger jet airliners and intentionally crashed two of them into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center. The Twin Towers collapsed within two hours of being struck by the planes. Civilians from over 70 countries were killed in the attacks, with a total of 2,995 casualties. In the months before and after September 11, many important international events occurred. On October 7, 2001, the US military’s Operation Enduring Freedom was launched, starting the War in Afghanistan. This list will be documenting ten news stories and international events surrounding September 11, 2001.
Most Americans are familiar with the failure of the Enron Corporation. Enron was an American energy company based out of Houston, Texas. In 2000, Enron was one of the largest businesses in the world. They had working operations in many areas, mainly electricity, natural gas, communications and pulp and paper. Amazingly, Enron claimed revenues of nearly $101 billion in 2000. The problems for Enron started from the beginning, when a group of executives in the company began misleading the board of directors and audit committee. They did this by hiding billions of dollars in debt, acquired from failed deals and projects. In the months following 9/11, the illegal activity caught up with Enron and the company failed. Enron stock holders lost nearly $11 billion, and the resulting scandal marked the largest bankruptcy reorganization in American history at that time.
The Enron scandal ended the business career of accounting firm Arthur Andersen. Arthur Andersen Corporation was found guilty of unlawful practice in the auditing of Enron. In October of 2001, one month after the attacks in New York and Washington, details of the Enron scandal were leaked to the world press. The story sparked a panic among Enron stock holders, and by December 2, 2001, Enron Corp. filed for one of the largest corporate bankruptcies in US history, with assets of $63.4 billion. Because of the failure, new regulations and legislation were enacted to expand the reliability of financial reporting for public companies. Many conspiracy theories have been formed around the Enron Scandal, and the date on which it was revealed to the public. Most of these claims document the ties between former Texas Governor George W. Bush and Enron founder Kenneth Lay.
In 1972, thousands of official and unofficial FBI records were destroyed, upon the death of J. Edgar Hoover. In fact, in the past it was common practice for high ranking officials to destroy their most important business documents. For this reason, in 1974 the US Congress passed the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act, placing the presidential records of Richard Nixon in federal custody to prevent their destruction. The Act was meant to reduce secrecy at the highest levels of government, and to give historians the materials they need to perform their duties. The Presidential Records Act of 1978 expanded such protection of historical records. This was accomplished by mandating that all records of former presidents automatically become the property of the federal government upon leaving the Oval Office.
The presidential papers of Ronald Reagan and Vice President George Bush were due to be made public when George W. Bush took office in January, 2001. However, George W. Bush first delayed the release for 90 days, and then repeated the action, pushing the date back into September, 2001. On November 1, 2001, Bush issued Executive Order 13233, limiting public access to the records of former U.S. presidents. The Bush executive order also includes the documents of former vice presidents. Many people were critical of this action, claiming that it violated both the “spirit and letter of existing US laws.” The order severely curtailed public access to presidential records and added to delays in obtaining materials from presidential libraries. On January 21, 2009, Executive Order 13233 was revoked, by executive order of President Barack Obama on his first day in office. Obama essentially restored the original Executive Order 12667.
During his presidency, George W. Bush was accused of acting in violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978. In 2007, the Bush White House e-mail controversy was revealed. The event started when George W. Bush initiated the unprecedented midterm dismissal of seven United States Attorneys, on December 7, 2006. The U.S. attorneys were replaced with interim appointees, under provisions in the 2005 USA PATRIOT Act reauthorization. Following the action, a congressional request was called looking for documents indicating why the attorneys were fired. This caused the Bush administration to reveal the fact that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain, that was hosted on an e-mail server not controlled by the federal government. In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been deleted by the Bush administration.
Hurricane Erin was the first, and longest lived, hurricane in the 2001 Atlantic hurricane season. The storm developed from a tropical wave on September 1, 2001, and by September 9 it strengthened into a full blown hurricane. Hurricane Erin passed within 100 miles of Bermuda, and created nasty weather and rip currents along the East Coast of the United States. On September 11, Erin decelerated as it turned to the east, but the hurricane would gain power over Canada and not dissipate until September 15. It is an interesting story because many flights and air traffic control workers were directly affected by Hurricane Erin. The storm produced 6 foot swells off the coast of North Carolina.
The second hurricane of the 2001 season struck on September 12, 2001. The storm is named Hurricane Felix and it originated 1,500 miles (2414 km) south of the Azores. Felix did not impact land, but caused weather problems for boats and aircraft. Hurricane Gabrielle was the third hurricane recorded during the 2001 Atlantic hurricane season. The storm developed on September 11, 2001, in the southeastern Gulf of Mexico. By September 13, Gabrielle intensified and accelerated northeastward toward Venice, Florida. On September 14, the storm made landfall near Venice, Florida, and was soon categorized as a hurricane. Hurricane Gabrielle caused heavy rainfall and bad weather conditions in Florida, Alabama, Bermuda and Canada. Three people were reported to have died in the storm, and it caused $230 million in damages. It is truly unfortunate that the September 11th terrorist attacks fell in line with a string of high powered hurricanes.
In the week prior to 9/11, an “extraordinary” amount of put options were placed on United Airlines and American Airlines stocks. If you are unfamiliar with the stock market, a put option is financial contract between two parties that will offer the buyer insurance against a company’s excessive loss. Someone who purchases a put option is expecting a stock to drop or they are protecting their assets. Between September 6 and 7, 4,744 put options were purchased on United Airlines stock, compared to 396 call options. On September 10, 4,516 put options were purchased on American Airlines, as compared to 748 call options. The trading activity was 600% above the normal level. United and American Airlines were the only two companies who had planes hijacked on 9/11. There were also an abnormal number of put options purchased in companies who had a stake in the World Trade Centers.
The majority of the suspicious trading was linked to Deutsche Bank Alex Brown. On September 12, 2001, the head of the bank, Mayo A. Shattuck III, resigned from office. The previous director of the bank was A. B. Krongard, who is the former head of the CIA. Citigroup Inc and Morgan Stanley also received an abnormal number of put options, and both companies held offices in the World Trade Centers, and saw a decrease in stock price after the attacks. On September 10, 2001, Raytheon, a defense contractor, had an anomalously high number of call options traded. The Securities and Exchange Commission launched an insider trading investigation, in which Osama Bin Laden was a suspect, but no action was taken. The trading was traced to areas all over the world, with most activity occurring in the UK, Italy, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, France and the US.
In the days prior to 9/11, the Chicago Exchange saw the highest number of United and American Airlines options traded in history. The names of the investors remain a mystery, because they never claimed their money. After it was discovered that a single U.S.-based institutional investor, with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda, purchased a large amount of these options, the 9/11 Commission dismissed the importance of the events. Unfortunately, the abnormal trading did not tip off law enforcement, as intelligence agencies constantly monitor the stock exchange and the sudden rise in activity could have allowed analysts to “connect the dots” and see that a major event was about to take place involving American Airlines, United Airlines and The World Trade Centers. However, nobody could have imagined the scale of the tragedy.
In 1979, the Soviet Union began their ten year long conflict with Afghanistan. Ahmad Shah Massoud was a military leader who played a leading role in driving the Soviet army out of Afghanistan in the late 1980s. His military prowess made him a hero in Afghanistan, earning him the nickname Lion of Panjshir. During the war, Massoud was known for his strategic mass ambushes against Soviet and Afghan convoys. In 1983, the Soviets offered Massoud a truce, which he accepted. He then turned his attention to expanding the Afghan resistance movement, and liberating the northern provinces of Afghanistan. Massoud’s military forces were considered the most effective of all the various Afghan resistance movements.
In the middle of the 1990s, the Taliban took control of approximately 90 percent of Afghanistan. In response, Massoud formed an alliance to fight the Taliban, and provided shelter for people fleeing Afghan cities. However, on September 9, 2001, two days prior to 9/11, Ahmad Shah Massoud was killed by a suicide bomber at Khwaja Bahauddin, in Takhar Province, northeastern Afghanistan. The assassins may have intended to attack several Northern Alliance council members simultaneously, because others were also killed. Prior to his death, Massoud had warned the European Parliament that a terrorist attack was evident. The timing of the assassination is considered significant by people who believe Osama bin Laden ordered the murder, and wanted Massoud dead before staging the 9/11 attacks. Ahmad Shah Massoud died a national hero, and hundreds of thousands of people attended his funeral. The date of his death, September 9, is observed as a national holiday in Afghanistan, known as Massoud Day.
On September 11, 2001, the United States government held a series of military exercises and drills. Operation Northern Vigilance was a NORAD operation, which involved deploying fighter aircraft to the northwestern part of North America, specifically Alaska and Northern Canada. The exercise was one part simulation, one part real world. It was in response to a similar test acted out by Russia on September 11, where long-range bombers were dispatched to Russia’s high north. The exercises were immediately called off after the news of the terrorist attacks, and all simulated information was purged from NORADs computer screens. However, the event was a distraction for the US government on 9/11.
Operation Northern Vigilance was not the only US exercise planned for September 11. A series of war games were also acted out, specifically Global Guardian. Global Guardian is an annual, command-level exercise held in the United States. It is an important task, and the purpose of the drill is to test and validate US nuclear command, control and execution procedures. Vigilant Guardian is an exercise that was run in conjunction with Global Guardian. It involved a simulated bomber attack from the former Soviet Union. The drill was conducted in real time, and appeared legitimate in offices and on computers, but without any planes in the air. One of the drills included was a traditional simulated hijacking.
The National Reconnaissance Office drill that was being conducted on September 11, 2001, is the strangest. In the exercise, a simulated small aircraft crashed into one of the towers at the NRO headquarters. No plane was involved in the drill, but to simulate damage from the crash, some stairwells and exits were closed off. A bioterrorism exercise was planned for September 12, 2001. It was named Operation Tripod and included a real life test of the US plan to distribute antibiotics to an entire city population during a bioterrorism attack.
In the months before and after September 11, 2001, the United States was bombarded with a series of cyber attacks. A group of criminals exposed vulnerabilities in the Microsoft operating system, and created a buffer overflow virus, which executed arbitrary code and infected hundreds of thousands of computers. By July 19, 2001, the amount of infected hosts reached over 350,000 zombies. A series of separate viruses named Code Red I and Code Red II crippled valuable servers and made calculated attacks on US government computers.
On September 18, 2001, a new virus attacked United States operating systems. The worm was given the name Nimda, and it was an advanced version of Code Red II. Some might say that the Code Red viruses were created in preparation for the much larger Nimda attack, which was executed the week following the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Due to the release date of the virus, members of the American government speculated on a link between the cyber attacks and Al Qaeda, but this theory ended up proving unfounded. The American media did not report much on the virus because of the terrorist attacks.
Multiple propagation vectors allowed Nimda to become the Internet’s most widespread and dangerous virus. It took only 22 minutes for the worm to rip through the American financial sector, causing over $3 billion in damage. The Nimda virus was so effective because it used five different infection vectors. People could, and still can, get the virus via e-mail, open network shares, infected websites, exploitation or via back doors left behind by the Code Red II virus. The group of people behind the Nimda virus and the theft of billions of dollars are unknown. The event greatly damaged the world’s financial sector and economy.
In the months following September 11, 2001, there was a wave of international accidents and events. On September 21, 2001, the AZF chemical factory located near Toulouse, France exploded. The event occurred when three hundred tons of ammonium nitrates ignited. The blast left a crater with a depth of 20 to 30 m (65 to 100 ft), and with a diameter of 200 m (650 ft). It was a major incident in France, and 29 people were killed. The event is recognized as an environmental catastrophe, and the total damages already paid by insurance groups are exceeding 1.5 billion euros. The blast is believed to have occurred due to the improper handling of ammonium nitrate, including the mixing of chemical impurities. However, on October 2, 2001, France’s then Environment Minister, Yves Cochet, announced that the explosion “may have been a terrorist attack” and identified Hassan Jandoubi as a person of interest.
On October 4, 2001, Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 crashed over the Black Sea. The plane was en route from Tel Aviv, Israel, to Novosibirsk, Russia, and all 78 people aboard were killed. The crash was initially thought to be a terrorist attack, since an Armenian plane near the scene reported seeing the Russian plane explode before it crashed into the sea. However, American intelligence reported that the crash was due to an errant S-200 surface to air missile fired as part of a Ukrainian Air Defense Forces exercise. Many people have labeled this hypothesis unlikely, considering the missiles range and safety features, claiming that the US was in fear of mass hysteria with yet another terrorist attack in the weeks following September 11. Ultimately, the government of Ukraine officially recognized their military’s fault in the accident and started negotiating compensation payments for victims’ relatives.
On November 12, 2001, the United States experienced its second deadliest aviation accident in history. It occurred when American Airlines Flight 587 crashed into the Belle Harbor neighborhood of Queens, New York. The accident took place two months after the September 11 terrorist attacks, and it caused panic in New York. Thousands of people witnessed the Airbus A300 crash to the ground, killing all 260 people on board. Many people reported a fire and explosion before the plane crashed, but the National Transportation Safety Board attributed the disaster to the first officer’s overuse of rudder controls. Al-Qaeda has listed the crash among its successes, but physical evidence was never presented indicating terrorist activity. Surprisingly, the story was widely underreported in the United States, considering the magnitude of the crash. In the months after the tragedy, rumors were circulated that suggested that the plane was exploded by a shoe bomber, similar to the failed attempt of Richard Reid, but these claims are unsubstantiated.
Most people are familiar with the wave of anthrax attacks waged against the United States in the weeks following September, 11. Beginning on September 18, a group of letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to US media outlets, and the offices of two US senators. In all, five people were killed in the terrorist activity, and seventeen others were seriously affected. The letters addressed to the US senators, Democrats Tom Daschle of South Dakota and Patrick Leahy of Vermont, were laced with a highly refined dry anthrax powder. Shortly after the first wave of attacks, two letters were sent to the New York Post and NBC News. The letters contained threats mentioning 9/11, and implied a new wave of terrorist activity. For this reason, it was highly reported in America that Al-Qaeda was behind the 2001 anthrax attacks.
On September 11, George W. Bush and the White House staff began taking a regimen of Cipro, which is a powerful antibiotic. This activity has led to a list of conspiracy theories accusing the US government of having pre-knowledge of the anthrax attacks. The investigation into the crimes was one of the longest and most complex in the history of law enforcement. Ultimately, investigators began to focus their attention on an American scientist named Bruce Edwards Ivins. Ivins worked at the US government’s biodefense labs at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Maryland. After extensive research, on August 6, 2008, federal prosecutors declared Bruce Edwards Ivins to be the sole culprit of the 2001 anthrax attacks. He committed suicide on July 29, 2008, after learning that he was going to be formally charged with the crimes. One would think that a media circus would have ensued, but little was mentioned about Bruce Edwards Ivins in the US press. His motives for blaming the attacks on Al-Qaeda are unknown.
On October 26, 2001, US President George W. Bush enacted the USA PATRIOT Act. The bill was in direct response to the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11. The goal of the Act was to reduce restrictions on law enforcement and government officials when investigating criminal activity. It gave international law organizations the right to probe and search citizen’s e-mail, medical, financial and personal records. Some of the main sections of the law enacted restrictions on foreign intelligence gathering, expanded the Secretary of the Treasury’s authority to regulate financial transactions, and broadened immigration laws in regards to detaining and deporting immigrants suspected of terrorism-related acts. The bill was passed by a wide margin in the US Congress. It was supported by some people and seen as an attack on civil liberties by others.
Entire websites have been dedicated to examining the Patriot Acts apparent lack of safeguards surrounding the rights of American citizens and foreign advocates. The bill made significant amendments to over 15 important constitutional statutes. The sections of the Patriot Act discussing Internet supervision and monitoring are confusing and extensive, ultimately reaching far beyond simple e-mail correspondence. One of the most surprising aspects of the USA PATRIOT Act is the lack of public and media debate regarding its introduction. Before September 11, provisions of the Act related to electronic surveillance were proposed and highly debated. However, many people feel that the Patriot Act has helped make America a safer place and stopped terrorist activity. In the first part of 2010, Barack Obama signed a one-year extension on several provisions in the Patriot Act.
Very good list, thank you.
I was only eleven years old when these events happened, but I can still remember most of them (especially the Anthrax threat) as if it was yesterday. It's a great list, albeit a bit painful to read.
I was only six, and I can still remember some of it. I didn't understand it at the time, but I knew it was bad. 2001 sucked.
I was 15 when it happened. I'm Canadian, but the attack was a HUGE deal up here as well — we might rag on Americans sometimes, but you're still our allies and neighbours and we share a long-standing friendship with your country, not to mention the fact that any massacre involving innocent people is a tragedy regarding of where it takes place. We were all quite horrified by what happened.
It was a Tuesday morning, the second week of my first year of high school. I can remember pretty much the entire day in detail, including my friend babbling about planes hitting buildings on the bus and me not really believing her since she was known to lie (she made it sound as if two planes had coincidentally hit two buildings by accident); walking into 1st period science class to find everyone listening to the radio and asking what had happened; the other student's and my reactions when they played the video of the towers collapsing on the news during 2nd period English (I remember thinking, "Oh god, there were still people in there"); everyone being *****ed off in sports med. because the teacher wouldn't let us watch the news or listen to the radio; talking about it at lunch with my friends; my German teacher using it as an opportunity to babble about WWII; being glued to the TV all evening after I got home; my dad walking in the front door, and me asking him if he'd heard about what had happened, to which he replied, "Of course I did. Do you think I've been hiding under a rock all day?"; etc., etc. One thing that I remember vividly was how eerie it was not to see any planes in the sky for a couple of days afterward (air traffic was grounded here as well). It was a poignant reminder of what had happened.
Incidentally, it wasn't until after 9/11 that I started to become interested in politics — not shocking, given my age at the time and the naivety most North Americans suffered from prior to the attacks. I'm somewhat ashamed to admit it, but Sept. 11th really opened my eyes to what was happening around the world for the first time in my life. I never truly appreciated the fact that Canada, the US and the UK are only a small portion of the world until after the attacks.
Quite a nice story……. really love it
I was at a bar at the moment and the TV was on. There were some Americans there and they went all silent. One of them asked: is that a movie? Another one answered: I'm afraid it's real…
(I mean the 9/11 thing, I dunno about the other ones)
one of my best mates and i played tennis tue/thu days. he'd swing down and scoop me up, we'd go smoke a little — and go play on the beach .. so he walks onto the porch that tues., and says dude — people have flown planes into the twin towers.
? i said, no. and asked him *exactly* how high he really was.
so he says— "turn on the tv. put it on any station."
?? this guy didnt have a radio in his truck. this was at like 9 in the morning. at which point he tells me he saw people standing around front doors of a couple gas stations, and somewhere else, so he stopped, heard the news, and drove straight over.
at this point, if my cat had begun telling me she was cheating on me with another family, i would have asked dan how he made her talk. dan was a clown.
so i turn on the tv, right as the south tower collapsed. i was like….w.t.f? so he tells me the pentagon (where my father worked) was hit as well. i think we sat there all day, and didn't say *****-all. in fact, we were late for work at 5pm. that was so surreal, and i tried for hours and hours to make it *not* seem like we were watching a horrible movie. ug
yanno — i never realised til now — dan was with me as hurricane katrina hit right down the street in '05 — as well as when my dad died in '09, the 09/11 attacks in '01, when i broke my ankle and my bone was sticking through my skin in '07, and when a mutual friend lost her life in a fatal car wreck in '03.
***** — i *really* need to stay away from dan in odd numbered years
Nr 8 just shows again what a crook Bush and his family is.
It's pretty much a general rule:
politician = crook
political family = crime syndicate
And what about Bill Clinton? Looks at the scams he was involved in. Every resent President was and every future one will be also, including Obama. Power corrupts, look at our Judges and most every Federal, State & local politicians.
Okay……. that had nothing to do with 9/11 nor a prevalent retort.
You are probably referring to #9.
#8 was the hurricaines, which, out of the 10 was probably the least associated with that crook Dubya.
NOT so quick, go google the HARP system then decide on tyhe hurricanes. It went online right around the time of Katrina or closer to Ike really. It blew hurricane force winds across land for 600-800 mikes. Yr after Katrina NO hurricane reached land (in USA). Hi pressure sys parked off Fla whole season bounced em back to sea
Yeah SORRY about the spelling, as in the not tyhe, and miles not mikes….ANYWAY… wanna be SUPRISED …research the HAARP system or read here a post of one of the persons who actually worked on the project when its effects were discovered http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message5…
Yeah! damn bush and his hurricanes.
Go ***** yourself liberal *****.
Go **** YOURSELF, you D***HEAD conservative head in the sand civil rights destroying allow the rich to bugger the rest of us ***HOLE!
at least that somebody is receiving money or another benefit to support a politician to death, it’s just being a fool for doing that
Schmuck. GW was the best president this or any other country has had or ever will have. Cheney was likewise the best VP ever. I doubt any of you will live to see their equal in either position.
Jesus u really are a *****er
You have made a mockery of Jesus, delete the account and change it to PAWN OF THE GOVERNMENT.
Is this the first time you see or hear of someone named Jesus, other than Jesus Christ our Lord? There are millions named Jesus. Where is the mockery?
best president ? hum, and so who was the worst ?
the best president and being the worst
Bush’s government was just a bunch of crooks.
Sadily you have no clue to what is a good president or vice president is supposed to be! If you would take the time to research information about bushs past, like his grandfather dealing with Hitler, his dad being directly involved with the kennedy assination, or evan just go read the patriot act what it has done to our civil liberties, and loseing our freedoms from that act! Or go read some of little bushs executive orders he implemented! Good greif go do your homework, instead of speaking foolishness! Bush family are just liers and thieves, and murderers!
Your pathetic, I guarantee you that Bush’s dad had nothing to do with Kennedy’s assassination nor did his George H. W. Bush’s father have anything to do with Hitler. I don’t know where you get your facts from but it’s messed up. You should be ashamed if you are really a “Former US Marine.” Bush and Cheney are two of the best leaders this country has ever had, right next to Reagan and George H. W. Bush!
GW’s grand father ran a bank owned by Hitler in the United states prior to WW2. GW’s father was linked to a the assassination of Kennedy as he was part of a CIA dept. that was investigated numerous times but would never be concluded due to lack of information sharing. You should actually do some research yourself before you question what some people say. Just do a brief history check on the Bush family. It’s quiet interesting.
The whole GANG should be hanged for their treasonous acts. That means mostly those involved in W’s term. Reagan, Bush Sr. and even Nixon admins reeked with a lot of the same players. They were a bunch of croooks and murderers who successfully ran a coup-de-etat in most of Americas face for their own profits. AND BEWARE America, they’re not finished either.
Yes, the beast leaders, doing great tasks as losing the credibility with the rest of the world, generating hate from different people. Now, if all your happiness came from the fact they played the avengers, maybe you’re right, it’s great to kill people to get money and power for a few guys who are already riches but want more.
And Barack Obama is the new king pin to take over control from Bush. Sadly he is part of the Bush family try too!
yes
Jesus–
I know you are either joking or trolling by way of intense provocation. My reaction assumes the latter. Jr. has violated the Constitution more than any other president in U.S. history, and created more debt than all previous presidents COMBINED!
Dick was CEO of Halliburton and was president (or chairman or head dick in charge) of the CFR, making him a liar, a cheat, and a treasonous traitor.
I do agree, however, that it is doubtful that any of US will live to see their equal in either position.
If your comment is the result of severe brain damage, please accept my apology. Otherwise, learn how to read for comprehension and retention, and then do so before expressing a point of view beyond the lower limitations of human intellect.
Bush knew abt 9/11 beforehand.. its WAS an inside job. What an amazing leader ! (note the sarcasm people)
IDIOT!!!
wat the comment was abt??
take a look at the commenters name, the number of his comment and the replies he's gotten, I'm sure you can figure it out….
When I saw the title I was afraid that this list would be about conspiracy theories, but thankfully it turned out to be very informative and enjoyable. Thanks for the good list
I hate the word 'conspiracy' because once its uttered most people turn a blind eye. This nation was founded so that the people can question the government, It seems far to convenient that the government wanted to pass the patriot act for a while, but needed a reason to pass it. ta da! 9/11.
You seriously think they did all that just to pass the Patriot Act? I hope that isn't what you meant. If it is, you just gave me another reason to think conspiracy theorists are insane.
Sure, we're meant to question the government, but conspiracy theories usually take wild leaps of logic, and someone who believes in one conspiracy theory often believes in so many that it's just crazy. Use logic, use a lot of "maybe"s, don't pile one on top of another, and I'll listen.
hehe, you mean like the conspiracy theory where an old guy on a kidney dialysis machine in a cave on the other side of the world can subvert the whole U.S. air defence system LMAO …. even the Soviets couldn't do that!!!
personally it wouldn’t surprise me if they did pass it for that reason. it’s a motive for the government to gain more control of the people (something that we have all known was coming for years)
i’m not a conspiracy theorist or anything but i believe that something was definitely hidden with all of this. something was going on that we still don’t know about.
He was simply stating facts that occurred surrounding 9/11. I wouldn’t put it past the american government to instigate a major american crisis to cover up seemingly unconnected acts. I’m not a conspiracy theorist or anything like that but everything is controlled by peoples perception and the media these days. So for the government to want to get over and steal oil from iraq they have to make it look legit in the eyes of the people. If you blow up some american icons and blame it on terrorists over there then you are in. Good list man good list
First of all, America never needed iraq’s oil bad enough to do anything remotely close to 9/11. Secondly, you people obviously haven’t thought through what it would actually take to pull something like this off and hide it. I’m talking about thousands of government employed people who would HAVE to know about it, but are not telling anybody. How do you get people to do that? People who have friends in those buildings, people who love their country and their fellow man. How do you get those people to stand by and watch thousands of their fellow countrymen die, knowing it’s a conspiracy to pass the patriot act/get oil/invade iraq? Money? How much money do you think it would take to make somebody be quiet for their entire life about that? How much would you take to keep a secret like that? Now multiply that by a few thousand, that’s how much it would take to keep those people quiet, and people would notice if that money went missing.
Idiots like you, Plum13sec, obviously don’t think about those things. To you it’s just connecting two dots without doing too much thinking. “They needed a reason to pass it, ta-da! 9/11″. Do you really think your government would create the largest and most succesful conspiracy ever made just to do that? While killing thousands of their own citizens? The things you people say require more wilfull ignorance than Scientology. If you had bothered to set one day aside to do research, you wouldn’t reach such an incredibly stupid conclusion.
And by research I don’t mean looking at websites and blogs that claim to have evidence for a conspiracy, or that also share your belief that there is a conspiracy. Look at both sides, and see how the regular one debunks every tiny bit of “evidence” the conspiracy idiots have.
Do everybody a favor and stop being disrespectful to the families of people who died in the attack by saying it was all a big trick to get oil. You’re stepping on people’s legacy.
your an idiot. keep believing the main media moron look into the physics
Like the high strength steel could be melted by Jet fuel for one! That is a load of bull. And as far as the collapsing that was demolition controlled. Ain’t no way a building like that would have even fallen and even if it did, it would not have fallen straight down too. Thats a sign of controled demolition. America is a lie!
And I assume you both have physics and engineering degrees? Oh, you don’t? Then how the ***** do you know more than the fire damage experts, engineers, and physcists who say this building could have absolutely collapsed by plains flying in to them, and that they would collapse in exactly the way they did?
*sigh* for the millionth time…
The steel didn’t NEED to have melted, as you warm a metal up, its properties change, it becomes softer, more pliable. You ever seen a plumber using a torch to soften copper pipe so he can bend it? I’m sure you’ve seen in movies or documentaries footage of blacksmiths beating red-hot metal into shape, not molten, just red-hot. Its softer you see, and easier to work with.
SO, the temperatures reached in the fire, whilst they may not have been hot enough to literally melt steel, it was more than hot enough to soften the steel trusswork enough so that the structure was compromised, the steel started to sag, and eventually gave way.
But I’m sure, really, you knew all this. You must have forgotten it since you were in demolition-school.
amazing amazing list. have been away for a few days and now I read such a good list when I'm back.
I didn't know about quite a few things here. Nicely written list. Well done.
awww you missed the talking asses list on wed. you woulda had fun with that one…..
I like your name, Mr. Thristy McFirst. Thats more than what I can say about you.
I vaguely recall some of these…All aboard the Memory Express.
Damn it! I wanted to ruin the first comment.
VERY nice list . It was very interesting without too much conspiracy theory sensationalism . but uuuuuuuh what list are you gonna publish on Sep11 ?
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first what?
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And you're the second.
9/11/01 was a busy day for Americans. . .
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So congratulations you are second dickhole of the day , your mother must be proud!!!
Oh God, one of these Islamic loonies.. Let me guess, you`re one of these idiots, who celebrated when those cowards flew those planes into the world trade centre, and believe that Bush or Israel did 9/11. Well-WAKE UP-and get a life.
Actually I think it is far more likely he's some white boy pretending to be an Islamic loony. For some reason people really like to ***** people off for no good reason- they are called trolls.
I'm with you on that one trinity. Some people just want attention, good or bad. Please people, just ignore him and don't give him the satisfaction of replying to his idiot comment.
Y'all just got trolled.
Probably just wants to get LV Dick of the Week.
you mean like the 7 Israeli's dancing in celebration as they filmed the unfolding events on the roof of that building in Manhattan, who were arrested and quietly deported.
You guys really need to stop believing the corporate U.S. propaganda … erm media
Google 'Northwoods'
INB4 patriotic Americ…. Oh….
Ignorance. It's a fickle business.
well oviously there was only one tragedy on 9/11
your birth.
no way YOURS!
good to see someone tries to imitate me
I'll probably get fussed at for this but I actually look forward to your postings. You get in trouble no matter what you say. Your name can be used as a verb i.e. "Don't Brock me." or as an explicative. "Brock you.".
Yes,some were related with 9/11.
Instead of "Ten Events Surrounding 9/11," why not Ten Reasons why we haven`t caught Osama Bin Laden? Maybe it`s me, but I`m sick of him and his sidekick I can`t remember his name, popping up now and again, mocking us. Saying "you`re all Crusaders," "leave our land," "you`ll never catch me," and all the other nonsense. You`re telling me, that the CIA, MI6, MI5, SAS, Delta Force, Special Forces, American Military with all it`s super weapons, the Pentagon, Mossad, Pakistan Secret Services, allies in the Middle East and so on, can`t catch or kill these two lowlifes? I mean, it`s nearly NINE YEARS now since 9/11 happened. We should have caught him by now.
I bet if they send in Demo Dick , he will catch them .
Who`s Demo Dick when he`s at home? I`ve never heard of him. Is it Dick Cheney?
Dick Marcinko – the sharkman of the meekong river delta
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Marcinko
yeah — the vietcong killer — rouge warrior
he's on the "chuck norris is my hero" list
That guy is a puss. There are many more badass dudes then him around.
he does seem a bit arrogant . Why do you say puss ? Where you from ?
Rouge warrior? Puts blush on his cheeks before the attack? Lipstick optional? It’s enough to make one go ROGUE!
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I'm sure with all their resources pooled they'd be able to catch those "people". However, keeping everyone in a constant state of fear is a powerful tool. As long as the big bad boogeyman is out there, governments can justify anything in the name of security. I'm not one of those eye rolling conspiracy theorists, I'm just a little cynical when it comes to government.
It´s one of the oldest tricks in the book… Create an exterior enemy and all inner dissention is silenced in the name of "one united front".
1984 right there.
Your so right!!! In fact none of the steps that have been taken to strip Americans of their freedom since 9-11 are newly created. Step by step in the same order, Russia, Germany, Italy and many other countries have lost their freedom in the past. The "Patriot Act" is exactly what Ben Franklin and other founding fathers were trying to warn us about when they said, "One who gives up freedom for security shall have, nor deserves, either one." It's the key turning point to strip people of their freedom. It was titled as such to imply that those who were against it weren't patriots when actually the founding fathers of this country would have been appalled by it, for it is the very thing they tried to warn us about.
You aren't gonna catch someone who wasn't even involved in 9/11… Seriously think about it, if Bin Laden really did conduct the attacks on The World Trade Center, they probably would still be searching for him. Instead it seems as though it was the excuse for American to enter Iraq, and when they got there suddenly Laden was forgetten and it all became about Saddam Hussein and WMD's… Osama Bin Laden was nothing more than a red herring for the public eye..
Even if Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11, he should still be captured and brought to justice. Watch the movie The Kite Runner and see the transformation of pre-Soviet Invasion/Al-Qaeda rule and post Soviet Invasion. Osama bin Laden and his followers ruined Afghanistan. Because of him, hundreds of people died. I think that is enough for him to be sent to jail or executed.
Osama was funded and supplied with weapons by the C.I.A. …. didnt you know that. Where do you think he got all the stinger missiles from
Agreed
Well said .. I couldn't agree more. I always wondered what happened to the reason in why they went to Afghanistan in the first place??
They were for 'going to Afghanistan to catch Bin Laden as he authorised the 9/11 attacks' but 1 or 2 years later his name was never mentioned again.
Up to this day I'm still wondering …
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/15/gary-bro… http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central…
This guy was thinking the same thing you do and decided to do something about it…..
Your under the assumption they even want him caught.
He is quite a convenient excuse for them to justify having more power.
I hope you read this now they caught him, you paranoid idiot.
They caught who ???
OBL died in December 2001 – http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/
My freshman year of college I was required to see a speaker on campus for my honors program who actually talked about this. I don't remember exactly who the guy was, but I remember that he had worked for the government at some point and was a military veteran who had been deployed on a mission to catch Bin Laden. According to him they spent several months tracking down Bin Laden and when he was actually found (the guy said he watched him sitting in a cave through a pair of binoculars) President Bush told them they weren't allowed to fire their weapons.
I'm not saying that I believe that 9/11 was truly a terrorist attack like we're supposed to believe, but you are the speaker are leaving an important aspect of the sotry out of this. bin Laden wasn't exactly alone – there were children present. It probably wasn't Bush who told them to back down, but whoever did was concerned about the well being of the little ones, as it's quite a traumatic event to see someone murdered, especially from the eyes of a child. And you can't assume that just because the kids live in Afghanistan that they have seen murders before. That's an assumption with no proof.
Daz, r u seriously trying to say that…
(a) the Marines / Seals / Special Forces / CIA / NSA / NRO / ANYbody serving in our country’s defense and/or intelligence forces, up to and including the President (any one of them, of either party or none), would say, “NO, do NOT take out the WORST MASS-MURDERER of Americans in all of history,” because some little kid(s) might have been present and get traumatized as a result?
and/or
(b) that you actually would agree with such thinking???
I’m pretty sure I speak for every American when I say blow the f@¢ker to kingdom come, and if there are any traumatized kids, bring each of them to America where we’ll set them up with new families, a lifetime pass to Disney World, and all the therapy they’ll ever need, on my nickel.
That’s one expenditure of my hard-earned tax money that you’d never hear me complaining about.
Or were you just kidding?
I always think that when you see shows on the different special forces on Discovery or History channel and wonder why they can't just sneak in and take someone out.
I was hoping that guy wandering around in Pakistan was going to get him.
Well, the U.S.A. isn't very keen on randomly littering Afghanistan and all nearby areas with bombs until the right guy gets blown up. The War on Terror was, as the name suggests, intended to put an end to terrorist activity and liberate the Afghani people, not "Kill Osama bin Laden".. Killing one man would not put an end to his organization, if you were to follow that logic, the Kennedy assassination would have caused the U.S. government to crumble.
There's a lot of controversy over whether or not Bin Laden is still alive, as his appearance in the videos released as of late has been somewhat inconsistent. It's possible that Al Qaeda is dubbing old tapes or using a double to pose as Bin Laden, since his face has become such a strong symbol of fear and hatred in the west, and admitting that he was dead could potentially weaken their image as public enemy number one. It's been widely reported that his health was failing as a result of his current living conditions (boo *****ing hoo, huh?), and he definitely appeared to be in rough shape in the images and videos seen in the first couple years following Sept. 11th. Personally, I don't feel that any of this is conclusive enough to say that he's dead, but I am skeptical nonetheless.
You know what's ironic about the whole thing? Republicans are now blaming the Clinton administration for having failed to prevent the attacks, yet it was Clinton who had to push for support in tracking down Bin Laden because the Republicans, who had congress at the time, thought that tracking him down was a waste of time. Not only that, but the Clinton government came closer to capturing him in last few years they held office than Bush ever did during either of his terms. That's not to say that it was entirely the Republicans fault (Clinton's admin. did drop the ball numerous times in the years leading up to 9/11), just that it's amazing how people conveniently 'forget' these little details when criticizing them.
Maybe they never een existed! After all the ***** I've since learned that the Bush cabinet pulled off, solely on the basis of hearsay; these *****s could be computer generated fictional characters. I mean, think for a second; How hard can it be to spot someone that is at least a foot and a half taller than the average person? and, Buddy I'm absolutely with you about why those you mentioned haven't an inkling. My favorite image of all is the "deer in headlights" expression on ole W's puss just after it's whispered to him that the trade center was flown into. His demeanor was that of a boy who just had his mom executed. Was he simply informed that Phase 1 is complete?
READ A BOOK CALLED "TAKEOVER" by Charlie Savage, if you really want to be sickened by the exploits of the Rove/Rumsfeld administration!
Why has he not yet been caught? Your ignorance will be your downfall!
Your government orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, the proof is over whealming, whether you choose to accept it or not.
Are you for real? If he was responsible he would have been dead the next day as they had already pinned it on him. Read up and check into it a little more and you will see there is more to it.
I think this was an interesting list, but I think that sometimes people look deeply for things that aren't really there. There are a number of things on this list that can be seen to relate directly to 9/11, but equally there are things on the list that just coincidentally happened around the same time.
Some people say it is too unusual for these things to happen so closely together, but I say it is not strange for these things to happen so close to such a majot terrorist attack, it just that the major terrorist attack was strange in itself.
If all the things on this list happened on the 25th March 2000 would they seem at all strange? I don't think they would, they just happened to coincide with a terrible, heart breaking catastrophe and it made people want to question everything.
"people look deeply for things that aren't really there" Great Point!
Wasn't that the point of the list? Not to say that these were all related, but that some of these were coincidences.
I think you are guilty of the very thing your assumptions are causing you to accuse others of. What are you implying? It's just a list of events that converged around the same time period, interestingly enough. Ya wanna really come across intelligent? Don't knock people who observe their world closely. THAT'S intelligent.
I had no idea half of this stuff happened but then I was 9. Great list.
halh this stuff didn't happen – so forget it
But people still think 9/11 was done by terrorists?
No, by now everybody and his dog knows it was done by Monica Lewinski and Liberace. Of course.
–richard simmons was involved too.
–and my dog doesnt speak english, but my cats know……..
As opposed to….?
I mean, seriously, nobody could do this for any reason other than to cause terror. Unless it was all one big mistake, you know, a movie gone wrong…
Without caring about who did it, you should consider that America (well, corporate America) has benefitted most from 9/11. Big money can be made from disaster. They are the ones who are laughing, not muslims – well apart from the retarded fundamentalists.
War, the biggest money pit, I still think it was G.W.Bush and big money people who done this plan to make new Lew's and there bank balance bigger. TUT TUT shame on all the people who has BLOOD on there HANDS.
From the Belfast MAN.
i think it was an inside job cuz how would u know to tell the cops and other people on the first couple of floors to get out or how are they finding black boxes that were supposedly missing theyu are hiding hard evidence….
That`s because there bloody stupid. And they still can`t get over the fact that some arsehole who lives in a cave, was capable of doing this kind of thing.
osama doesn`t even exist why they can`t catch the most wanted terrorist in the world for like almost 10 years?
Osama Bin Laden DOES exist. It`s because we`re not trying hard enough to try and catch him. Did anyone see that programme, Conspiracy Files: Osama Bin Laden-Dead or Alive? It was on last year. It`s on You Tube. And it`s no wonder they haven`t caught him! All these stupid conspiracy theories-"he`s dead-that`s why we haven`t caught him," are just downright stupid. The FACT, that people believe this crap-as if Osama Bin Laden is a modern day Robin Hood, and that he`s uncatchable are just absurd. If I were in charge, I`d have caught him by now.
Osama is actually a very intelligent dude, if he wasn't he couldn't have done what he did. He studied in an English university for God's sakes, most Americans wouldn't even get into one. Not that I approve his actions… I just have to diss Americans whenever I get the chance..
I guess you do not study in England.. our universities aren't all that you know (I should know..)
@brock -26-08-10- "wow sting was a doctor too"
@brock -27-08-10 ""osama doesn`t even exist""
—–damn dude………..two steps forward, 3 steps back………..
Now there's the brock we all know!
” If I were in charge”
Dont ever *****in say that. EVER.
I also dont believe the british to be that thick.
But never say that again.
I`m sorry, but if I were in charge of trying to catch Osama Bin Laden, the Rat would have been captured by now. I mean, come on. What he did was absolutely unbelievable. The CIA said they had a "Osama Bin Laden Unit," but it`s now been dismantled. DISMANTLED. Now, what is the point of that? You don`t give up. The lame excuses they gave, "the environment is hard.." They have ariel drones, spy planes, infra-red technology.. Of COURSE it`s hard! After all the ridiculous tough talk, "we`re gonna catch him," "we`ll smoke him out," "we`ll hunt him down.." It makes us look stupid and makes Osama Bin Laden some kind of larger than life character. I mean-doesn`t it make people angry, that he appears a few times every year, taunting us and saying-"you haven`t caught me have you?" It does me.
like Goldstein from 1984….
One of the few intelligent comments here.
Seriously, I could swallow a can of Alphagetti and vomit a more coherent argument than some of the commentators on here…
I know the americans had a chance to catch him in late 2001 but they backed down apparently. That was stupid.
I think the whole thing is now about securing a stabile regime in afghanistan and iraq. Now al qaeda is delocalised and by spending 1 bil dollars in catching him, you dont know if it would help you THAT much.
But i do personally think they should continue the search. Maybe nowadays they do it in the dark. I dont know. Lets hope they get him.
and what hole did you crawl out ? Idiot.
O good god, this list is going to cause a ***** storm….thanks Brian J……I seriously think you put these type of lists up to cause controversy and stir up the trolls. A blog is not meant to create hate and injustice……it is meant to provide thought and information. I am sorry but this leaves a salty taste in my mouth. I don't live in America, but I respect the norms and standards they live by, 95% of the counties that view this website are in similar boats. Jfrater…..many good list in the last two weeks, but seriously….this list is garbage and you know it. If the intention of this website is to ***** people off, then you are losing an everyday viewer. If your intention is to show the world how much America sucks, then you are the reason why they have the PATRIOT Act. I like this cite and visit it on a regular basis, please help me come back. Please give it up, people hate America…and no one cares anymore…give us some better lists please…………. I dotted that a bunch because, I wish for better list , and I know you can produce it. Give us better please.
Well if you read the comments you would know there are a number of people who have said that they like the list- you are speaking about your opinion and seem to think that you have the right to speak on behalf of everybody who visits this site.
Also if you read the comments on a regular basis you will know that whether this list or a list on disney princesses- there are always trolls.
I personally liked this list, and I also personally like the fact that this site does not shy away from controversial topics. I am also personally fed up that people in general are no longer supposed to talk about anything that may, possibly, offend someone in the slightest, round about way!
"I personally liked this list, and I also personally like the fact that this site does not shy away from controversial topics."
So, I understand for being attacked for expressing my opinion, but you stress yours like it is going out of style. I am sorry trin but you are a hypocrite. You chastised me for me expressing my opinion and then gave yours…you lose in a big time way.
I did not 'attack' you for stating your opinion. I stated that you were expressing your opinion as though it was the opinion of everyone who visits the site.
I did not say your opinion was wrong, I stated that there were a number of people who had disagreed with it in the comments.
I never said that there was anything wrong with stating an opinion and I never said that there was anything wrong with your opinion- if you would care to show me where you think I said that I would be happy to see it.
However, if you do not like your opinion being disagreed with I suggest you stop posting it on internet forums. There is never going to be an opinion that everybody agrees with.
To be honest, you did attack my opinion and I don't feel like responding or point out your mistaking posting. your win and I lose……… just reread your post and you might understand your bias. Thanks for nothing
No- you cannot find anything that attacks your opinion- you just seem to think that as I disagreed with it I was attacking it. I cannot see a single instance where I said your opinion was wrong.
Feel free to reply, I understand you would like the last word in the argument.
You are a true hero of the listverse forum,,, I give up. I gave what was considered my opinion and you trashed it, then you gave yours which was respected……..no win situation.
you call that an attack??? PANSY!!
How the hell does this inspire hate and injustice ? It is simply ten factoids of info about events that some how tie in with the 9/11 attacks . It doesn't say anything bad about Muslims , or american people , (just bush and everyone has been doing that for years ) . This list was interesting end of story . The subject matter may be sad and controversial but there will always be *****s out there giving people ***** about everything and anything. you sound like you just wanna bury your head in the sand and eat rainbows and kak butterflys . Stop being a wussy .
Is it simply factoids, really, you amaze me at your demonstration of foolishness. I agree it never said anything bad about any other race or culture…like you did not read my comment or understand it. Factoids….. no comment…..Do you know what the US actually makes public. No we dont, so heed my point, this is garbage. Conspiracy theories will happen regardless. Someone flew planes into two buildings and two more into other federal buildings. Yes GW is an ass, Yes there are answer unanswered…But again I say this list is trolling and complete garbage, give me some proof and I might understand, otherwise, this is trolling bull*****…. sorry if you think its not
ok its not factoids , its a description of ten events surrounding 9/11 (did i really have to be soo specific jeez ***** much ?). That are described interestingly and (i think) with integrity . Stop being a wussy jimbo . Maybe you'll get another talking donkey list tommorrow so you wont have nightmares .
O Jesus, you are a troll in essence. You clearly have not understood my first post. The list posters described events that fault America for the 9/11…….as if we did it to themselves. If you think that, you are a fool. Did Americans want to kill 3,000 people..I doubt it. The intention of my post was Jfrater and the owners of this website. I personally find it offending to make such a list. I know people with family and friends effected with 9/11 are in deep resolve and I find it highly offensive to put the blame on American people.
so USA should sweep it under the rug and not fully investigate every possibility and irregularity ? naah no-one is blaming the american people . stop being a sensitive sally . Ive seen sensationalist conspiracy theory bull***** about 9/11 . Believe me this is pretty tame . In fact to me this list gives depth to the Bin Laden verdict . maybe Im borderline troll but you need to stop being a sensitive sally . I have no agenda i calls it like i see it .
laugh at your ass blue..i dont think we should sweep it under the rug and I dont think all members are innocent, but I dont believe their is a huge NWO running the world (as much as you would like to think.) Stop being a sensitive sally???? are you kidding??? I want the answers, but I am not going to get *****ed if i dont hear the right response…every country has its skeletons, and if you are too dumb to realize that, your should not post on the website……Every county has its demons……9/11 sucked…..I want to know what happened after the fact in yours? please tell me
Well your comment certainly is judging by the no. of responses pretty controversial in itself . You shouldn't take a little ball breaking so seriously . Anyway buddy there is nothing wrong with your opinion , the best way i can some mine up is that i think there is something fishy about the whole story , i dont know what it is , i dont wish to guess but there is definitely something fishy , and i want more lists like these , thats the main reason i disagree with you . This list is GOOD .
really good .
So good that 3000 people died for its cause. People died during the 9/11 attacks….lets not forget that. If we take a lesson from that, human life is fragile. "Buddy" I am not your friend. Yes, it is fishy, but I have no other explanation of the events…do you? Or is it another fraudulent conspiracy. Your guess is a good as mine. Again, people lost family and friends on that day, And I don’t think it is something to be toyed around with. People died at the hands of others. It may be seen as good in some parts or the world, it is not in mine. I dislike post that try to give explanation of why and justification bad ***** happened on that day . If someone attacks me, I fight back!
(never mind the first part at the bottom) . You dont make sense anymore ,i thought i was being dumb and just didnt understand you so i tried to end the argument and save my self some dignity (and make it look like i understood you) but actually dude you make no sense . People died , yes we know that? how long do people have to wait before they can dissect this extremely significant disaster in modern human history? You gonna have a hard time watching discovery channel in the next week or 2 if thats your attitude . Any way compadre , friend , china , mate ,bestest best pal of mine have a good weekend love your eternal buddy and BFF bluesman87
its the same as getting *****ed off at a documentary on Vietnam and the politics involved int hat many people died as well but you cant let that stop you from giving 100% objectivity and attention to the matter . Maybe it hit close to home for you so i can understand you passion . You shouldn't let anything stop you from wanting to know the whole story .good or bad . Like i implied earlier lets agree to disagree . Sorry if you knew anyone in there .
again, as i have said, blue you win…if you want the last word….you can have it! nothing else to say.
I feel bad for you. Sorry dude
I love you.
And they all lived happily ever after…….They’re married now and have ickle pet names for each other.Awww. Your a romantic at heart aintcha kimbaR.
I respect everyone's right to express an opinion, and I'm certainly not going to criticise you for expressing yours. I've read this list throught twice and couldn't for the life of me find anything that indicates hatred for Americans, in fact all I got out of it was that it was a list of events that occurred at roughly the same time as the attacks and ended up underreported due to the magnitude of the attacks. If I missed the point here, please point out to me where you feel America was slighted. I also fail to see where any sort of controversy could be connected to this list, other than a few *****ers who see fit to post comments like Holy jihadist above there, this seems a pretty innocent list to me.
Don, did you not read the list and see a connection/theme that it is our fault this happened….Maybe I am crazy, bu the list reads terrible if you are American….. I was born and raised in Canada and I feel terrible about this list. It seems very negative towards Americans and "North Americans." As if we had a part in it.!!!!
I'm sorry Jim, I just don't see it. I was born and raised in Canada as well and have defended Americans in this forum in the past, but this time I just don't make the connection. Sorry.
Ummm, how about the stock market activity? Do you not understand those paragraphs? Or did you read them, get too confused, and say "screw it"? Anyone who understands that part of the list can clearly see that an outstanding number of people knew something was about to happen involving american and unite airlines in conjunction with the WTC
I've never heard of anyone blaming the Canadians for 9/11, and you stated you were born and raised there, so you really don't need to worry about it. Also, I actually AM an "American", and this list does not "read terrible" or blame Americans for the attacks. In short, you are stupid.
I particularly thought that the section about hurricanes was blaming America, also the disastor in France- showed an amazing connection to America. Also I think the list may have mention that American troops went in and killed Massoud.
Oooooh wait- nope, none of those things were to do with America.
Jimmy – forget about it – it's a loaded list like you said.
Is there a roll eyes emoticon? :rolls: ?
Did you even READ the list? And if you did, did you comprehend it? Where does this inspire "hate and injustice"?? It´s about other noteworthy events that happened around the same time as the 9/11 attacks…
Actually, you know what, I just read all the replies and your answers to those replies… You accuse others of trolling when that is clearly what you are doing yourself. You make absolutely no sense and flip so suddenly between opinions that it´s just not worth it.
@GTT: ""Is there a roll eyes emoticon? :rolls: ? ""
haha — this isnt the forum, unfortunately the little smileys and faces dont work that way on mainsite
good to see ya back—-
WELL SAID!
I narrow in on a topic and go with it. I have written dozens of lists for various websites and my main goal is to teach somebody something new. This is a fact based list and doesn't specifically mention any 9/11 conspiracy theories. It doesn't show how much America sucks, but rather what George W. Bush and the US government had to confront in the months before and after September 11.
GOOD RIDDANCE……………………….Thanks for not living here!
Bye
Interesting list. Thank you very much. I look forward to reading all the comments to come! D
The September 11 terrorists, 15 were Saudis, 2 were from the UAE, 1 from Egypt and 1 from Lebanon, and they`d trained in America and Germany. and that`s why we invaded Iraq.
True, they will never ever invade Saudi Arabia in a million years… or until their oil runs dry!
Invaded Afghanistan.
Iraq was invaded for far stupider reasons (chemical weapons which there was no proof of)
Oh yeah, they never really talked much about the chems, other than him (Saddam) using em on his own people (Kurds) BUT we KNEW he had that program. It WAS given to him by none other than Rumsfeld during the Reagan years. THAT can be verified.
Agreed !! and still coming to the list, Afghanitan, Pakistan. Iran ,
Well you Americans will never go straight ,,,,,,,,,
by the way who saw these 18 men + Osama ( sitting in the Afghan cavers) did 9/11. Nothing true , world has to accept because USA say it ….
So… Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Lebanon… and that justifies the invasion of IRAQ? Where is Iraq on that list?
EGG ZAKTLY.
Oh really? If none were from Iraq or Afghanistan, then why did the United States Invade those countries when they had nothing to do with it. Looks like you're still sleeping and you get all your information only from the media you watch on tv.
And we knew it within 48 hours?????
excellent, bryan——
i actually had to re-read this list, though. the title seemed extremely forced — like….ok 9/11 was bad. lets think of other things that were in close proximity, and send em to jamie.
#3 — accidents happen —- #6 — people die — #8, hurricanes? i live on the beach, and have 9 of the years since '99. 2001 was about the tamest hurricane summer we've had, until last year.
then i thought about — this was actually a good idea, well researched, written pretty well, and fairly interesting.
good job dude…………..
Thanks man,
Ya I actually got the idea after learning about the Nimda virus and the crash of Flight 587. I was just surprised that I had never heard of these two events, living in the US my whole life.
wait — where do you live? cause i was in biloxi at the time, and both of those were big deals. of course, with all the reporting on the wtc attacks, you could miss a lot of other stories. i went to the house of blues for a concert one of those days, and lo and behold — when i got home there were so many news pieces, i almost believed i hadnt checked current events in over a month.
i am really surprised you hadnt heard of the queens plane crash. i dont pay a ton of attention to news, but i do get the usa today, and i read several stories. the associated press acted like they knew exactly what was going on, and the columns read as if they were debating their point to nonbelievers. that *right there* raises red flags.
as for the nimda worm…..i remember it — but i shrugged it off because it got litltle attn. : turns out, it could have been utterly devistating,
@bryanj: ""The event greatly damaged the world’s financial sector and economy.""
– —how so? let me back up. i know the answer — and im not being argumenative — but it was unclear in the original post. sometimes things get obfuscated by flipping in and out of reality — i'll go as far to say that you *should* have expanded a touch there. why? because it just seems a little to 'out-in-the-open' …….. the public can barely deal with that now. these events got so many ants in so many vaginas that the focuss of our retaliation got all screwey.
you really did do a fine job——
Why does no-one recognise that the majority of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi nationals….. Why did the media not put the headline ” Saudi bombers fly into twin towers”
Anybody know??
Saudi Arabia is the biggest producer of oil in the world. USA have the most cars in the world. Can you compute that?
I don't recall the headlines saying 'Afghan bombers fly into twin towers' or 'Iraqi bombers fly into twin towers'. Unless you'd like to provide a link.
Cuz their citizenship has nothing to do (or very,very little) with what happened, they were al qaeda so the papers wanted to pe exact about these matters.
Also you are not at war with saudi arabia, those were acting like individuals not official of SA, so there’s no point in offending or targeting a whole population.
Also, at the oklahoma bombing, did the papers say American bombers attack Fbi?
Nonsense! Bin Laden and Al Qaida ARE Saudi operatives. Let's review the facts.
1) Bin Laden, Pakistan's secret service(ISI), and the CIA worked closely together in Afghanistan against the Soviets.
2) After Desert Storm, Bin Laden breaks with the Saudi monarchy, claiming they violated a tenet of Islam by allowing the United States military into their country to repulse an attack by Saddam Hussein (really?)
3) He calls on other anti-monarchists(Wahhabists) to join him in Afghanistan…
4) The Saudi government acknowledges giving money to the Wahhabists.
5) The anti-Saudi monarchists have never once, attacked Saudi targets.
6) There are no banks in Afghanistan, all of Al Qaida's money comes SA or the UAR
7) 15 of the 19 'terrorists' were from SA.
8) 9/11 is used as an excuse to remove Saudi Arabia's biggest threat.
9) The Iraq war drives up the cost of oil while driving down the value of American industries and financial institutions, giving them tremendous leverage.
10) The Saudis buy up Citibank and key industries while their selling low. They also buy Fox News.
11) The war in Iraq gives the Shiites too much power and pushes them into Iran's arms.
12) Al Qaida then turns against the Shiites.
13) A war against Iran, now the Saudis biggest threat, is then promoted, which again drives up the value of SA's only export.
Sheesh! You don't even have to connect the dots, they are so densely packed you can clearly see the words, "Saudi Arabia and a cabal of corporatist hedgefunders."
All anyone has to do if they really want to see that connection is Google
"Kingdom Holdings".
You think China is the one who owns us…
SURPRISE!!!!
As a point of curiosity, is it PROVEN that 15 were Suadis? If so, how can anyone say, nay believe, that the US government (or its agents) were behind the 9/11 attacks? How would they persuade 15 Suadis to act as suicide pilots … … and then invade Iraq & Afganistan instead of SA? That doesn’t make any sense.
Its a bit like the sort of intellegence that says because they didn’t find weapons of mass destruction, that there were none there. Not finding something is not proof. MAYbe they just didn’t look in the right places.
“#3 — accidents happen”
I think number 3 showed how stupid/incompetent ex soviet countries’ army are.
Is also showed the early signs that the french govt wanted to blame the wrong people for what bad things happen. You see it in full swing nowadays. Gotta love right wing govs
actually, youre right arsnl… in fact…
yanno what? i need more than 5 min….
come back tonight (my tonight — its 7am new orleans time right now)
I was in New Orleans a couple of weeks ago!! We had a great time and enjoyed the French Quarter.
french, and also the garden district are nice — they didnt get messed up that bad, and it happens to be where the tourists want to go. and of course, the cbd — in which sits the superdome, and hornets arena……with the saints winniing it all last year, they have been able to pump more money in.
did you happen to go into harrah's casino, on c***** st & decatur? cause i'vr been working there a lot recently, instead of the biloxi property (where i really work)…….
but it's a cool city, and when i'm down there (working or not), i usually stop in the decatur club (directly across the st. from the house of blues) — glad you had fun……..
This was for Olly. Damn mobile version.
in 5 min, i'm on mobile for the next 11 hours — i feel ya, man
21.09.2001 — azf accident,
—- ok — let me get this straight — a chemical plant exploded, and 11 days later they tried to blame it on terrorists? yeah? that's *****ing retarded. i mean, unless that shift of blame had justifiable premeses behind it. but if that was the case, i would assume bryan might have included that — he did a thorough job with most……..
—-all right — you lived in france then, like you do now? what the hell — how did … ok — didn't the operations of this plant fall under the savezo dir? — which essentially works at making preventing accidents of this sort? —- because if it was — i would be real curious to see how that played out in the media, vs. public opinion.
—–this is what i wanted to ask you earlier — because, to me, it makes no sense.
10.04.2001 — plane crash in the black sea.
—this one i remember distinctly. here's the opinion of many stateside. the russian gov't is rediculouly inept. the accident (and its aftereffects notwithstanding) it seemed to us (albeit from afar) that the rest of the world began using the word "terrorism" as a buzz word (propoganda style)
to try the throw the public off of the truth. of course, they would have no reason to do this, unless there was an element of negligence they were trying to make invisible.
12.11.2001 — queens plane crash.
—–this example here, kindof furthers the point i just made. additionally, it seems that was under reported for a couple reasons. (a)- to fuel the beliefs of the people, using an idea to promote emotions where everyone was still reeling after the wtc attacks. oh, and (b)- the media kind of stopped in its tracks with the wtc crash — it was like…85% of the newscasts for what seemed like 5 months. someone, here, who works for a biloxi abc affiliate said they had been told not to make anything more important or devistating sounding, because 9.11 had been so recent they they feared backlash if they preempted their coverage. (note: i dont knonw if theres any truth in that last statement, but i have been told 'yes')……..
this whole situation turned people crazy — gov'ts, media, military, private sector, nyse — etc etc. even though we knew this at the time, it seems like the more time that passes, the more heinous some of the aftereffect behaviours seem.
… sadly because we kiss Saudi Arabia's ass.
great list, so much so that I registered just to make a comment
Me, too!
Great list! We in the military are STILL taking anthrax shots every year because of those attacks. Very interesting read. =|:D
Gotta love the photo for the anthrax item. Those guys in hazmat suits heavily protected and in the background this guy wearing a gas mask and shorts, ready to get into the shower of chemicals.
“many people feel that the Patriot Act has helped make America a safer place and stopped terrorist activity”. Since when do people see if a law is good or bad on the basis of “feeling”. And who are those many people, id like a percentage. Also terrorist activity hasnt stopped.
“link between the cyber attacks and Al Qaeda, but this theory ended up proving unfounded… The group of people behind the Nimda virus and the theft of billions of dollars are unknown.”
Well since its established that said link doesnt exist im sure those top officials do have an idea who created the codes for that virus.
Because of the "Patriot Act" If you now see an elderly neighbor being harassed and arrested and you, simply, ask The officer, "What for?", You too can go as well for what is called "Interfering with a police investigation." You can also be held indefinitely if they chose to classify you as an "Enemy Combatant". The patriot act was penned by John Yoo and David Addington, who worked under Cheney during the Nixon years, then signed into law by Bush and Dick, behind closed doors. Nope congress had nothing to do with it, most of congress knew nothing about until FOX broke the story days later. The so called "Patriot Act" is no more than a ploy to give law enforcement absolute power over the American public.
Think this is sick? Wait till Palin steals the 2012 Presidency and term limits are pushed out the door.
Will Time Mag Rag vote Her "Man of the Yaer" Like it did Hitler in 1938?
WON'T THE SPHINCTER FACTOR BE IN FULL REGALIA THEN!
This is just my prediction; I cold be wrong!
its actually weird that you are such a dick , all the muslims i've met in my country i really like . Especially to do business with they are all pretty solid gents . I reconsidered and agree you're probly a bored middle class white kid in the burbs somewhere .
If anything muslims taught me that people are very very complex.
I know this lebanese dude. Very very intelligent and a really nice fellow. Im good friends with him yet he’s antisemitic (to all you pedantic people you know what i mean). I think we have to take people with their good and their bad sides.
And in general its a huge community with different sects spanning a huge area of the globe.
The Muslims I have met have been very nice people. Most of them are very polite. If you study Islamic writing and such, you will find out that Mohammed taught lessons about peace and love, not war and hate.
yeah, the same as JC did.
I was only 7 at the time and i remember being at home and my mum was watching it on tv just shocked, she was planning to go to new york literally the next week. I couldnt believe it.
lvoe the list and quite fascinating at how little these stories wer reported considering how big they are.
These stories were reported at the time. All of these stories were big news when they happened. You shouldn't make comments on how things were reported, when you were seven years old when they happened. Just because ignorance is bliss, doesn't mean you have to be.
Why so rude to a young lady who was only stating what she knew? And no, most of these stories were NOT widely reported on at the time…hence they are on this list.
I will never understand why it is that folks have to be such dickheads to each other online.
I mean really dude…would you have talked to that girl like that to her face?
brother i knw how americans have feel tht tym.. 9/11 attack is against human bieng so who ever do this difinatly thy have to be punished.
i hope more evidence will come about this attack and who do this things..
and who is plan this. Inshallah
Very interesting list. I had no idea about the abnormal stock trading. Very suspicious indeed!
What is even more interesting is that when so called "9-11 conspiracy theorists" bring this very same subject up, in detail, they are called insane, unpatriotic, or worse.
I'm not jumping into the blame game above. I'll let the kids have fun with that.
I remember waking up and finding my mom sitting in front of the TV watching the news about the 1st plane that hit. While we watched the 2nd one flew in the background. I knew it was going to hit then too. At first, I thought it was someone who lost control of a plane, but after the second one hit, that change my mind.
I had a few people I knew there, but thankfully none that worked there that morning. I had one co-worker whose brother was in the second tower…he was leaving as the second plane hit.
Such tragedy on that day…
Interesting list.
Great list, well written. #7 is very disturbing. The whole list is disturbing, but very good.
Very good list.
What interests me the most are all the things that should have been headline news and weren't. Amazing how it seems we're only able to deal with one thing at a time.
It's not news to me that Bush, Cheney, et al would be doing their damnedest to cover-up what appears to be treasonous actions. I'm actually surprised that there is record of how much they succeeded. Dirty douche-bags. Good on Obama for repealing the worst of it. A long way to go yet Barry. (maybe he's reading this eh?)
For all you folks (I'm being kind, could have said idiots) whining that Osama hasn't been caught yet – take a geography lesson. Look at those Mountains; accessible only by mule path, unmapped peaks, deep valleys, caves friggin' everywhere. That and he's surrounded himself with a loyal band of cadres – they'll never give him up. He's their ticket to Heaven.
The Patriot Act went through with nary a protest because the American people were duped into believing that somehow it has made their lives safer. It's not true, but truth has little to do with politics eh? Sad that tragedy was used to repeal your constitution. Sadder still that few people noticed.
and Obama renewing the Patriot Act for a year? I noticed you left that out of your summation of this list. A lot of Bush is a traitor comments and such. You have the word "mom" in your name, PLEASE tell me you are not breeding.
first off Obama did repeal the most egregious parts of the patriot act – do note that I said that there is a long way to go. Way lots more to go – frankly I'd like to see him repeal part of another Democrat's legacy – the policy of rendition put into effect by Clinton.
and too late – 4 grown sons. All with a very well developed sense of empathy and social justice.
He's their ticket to Heaven.? Come on! The Afghani protect Osama since he is on their side to kick out the US and NATO (the Imperialists) who attack their country for no reason! It's not heaven, you know! Idiot!
Fantastic list well written and informative
Yes, disturbing list, but very good read! Excellent. Number 6 & 9 caught my attention… Hmmm…
Was expecting more conspiracy nuts, but in fairness this site probably contains to many facts for them to digest.
Oh and great list, thanks.
Clever list! It’s a collection of major events that got overshadowed in the media because of 9/11, it’s not about 9/11 in particular, a point that some seem to have missed. Thats the idea behind this list I think. Good work!
@jimmySclark -Sorry buddy of pal o mine (n-now thats a joke son a-a-a joke i say!!) intense debate is down for me . You dont make sense anymore ,i thought i was being dumb and just didnt understand you so i tried to end the argument and save my self some dignity (and make it look like i understood you) but actually dude you make no sense . People died , yes we know that? how long do people have to wait before they can dissect this extremely significant disaster in modern human history? You gonna have a hard time watching discovery channel in the next week or 2 if thats your attitude . Any way compadre , friend , china , mate ,bestest best pal of mine have a good weekend
love your eternal buddy and BFF bluesman87 .
well you took that friend thing "heart to heart," sorry dude. I did not think we were in love from the get go. Well, if ending the argument/discussion it your goal then you win,,I quit. My point was not to to discount the lives of those that died during the 9/11 attacks. I cannot blame why it happened on a sole politician and I cant blame the American public. ***** happened and I still feel like crap that it did. But I cant run around and point fingers at people and organization…..like conspiracy theories would. I move on. I want the US to move forward and stop blaming each other. Like many I am tired of all the bull***** and while i will never know the truth, I move on.
If your attitude to 9/11 is that "***** happens" but we shouldn't "point fingers" to find out why it happened then I can't help but feel that you must be thicker than pig *****. And willingly so, it seems.
“love your eternal buddy and BFF bluesman87″. I cant believe my eyes. You hypocrite.
What about olly, julius, woyzeck, vonhoho, buc, mom, segue, oouchan etc etc etc? You dirty little bastard. You put out for the first guy that comes around. You are a he-*****.
Geesh dude. What about me? Heartbroken, thats what i am now.
Tomorrow ill make an account blueman87 and ill post a “FIRST” comment so everybody will hate you.
“love your eternal buddy and BFF bluesman87″. I cant believe my eyes. You hypocrite.
What about olly, julius, woyzeck, vonhoho, buc, mom, segue, oouchan etc etc etc? You dirty little bastard. You put out for the first guy that comes around. You are a he-*****.
Geesh dude. What about me? Heartbroken, thats what i am now.
Tomorrow ill make an account blueman87 and ill post a “FIRST” comment so everybody will hate you.
Wtf ?? Why did it double post? Ok im off for today. The mobile version is way off. I dont want to get too *****ed off.
its a shame that most people take a stand on the "9-11 was an inside job" or "you question the goverment, youre a terrorist" and dont look at the facts, and the well documented actions and motivations of the US goverment for the last 20-30 years..
if youre interested:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-37767506…
Well I will save everyone some time on this one. Here is the description of the film: "This film exposes how every major war in US history was based on a complete fraud"
We agree
I have never been a conspiracy theorist, but there is a lot going on with 9/11 that we are not being told.
Like what?
Brilliant List! This is probably the best site i've found in years – KUDOS to you guys for making this list… I hope the Bush Administration is found out one day as the mass-murderers they really are!
Here they come. This is what JimmySclark was talking about.
Why can't people just look at some of the facts of 9/11.. I won't go into detail but feel free to read some of the books/articles published by well respected authors/lecturers such as David Ray Griffin and Michael C. Ruppert – trust me you would be surprised!?!
Surely debating is a good thing.. I find it amazing almost 10 years later people get slated off for pointing out facts of that day that point to something more than just a man in a cave.. i'm guessing you people still believe Bin Laden is alive and well plotting his next attack via his Blackberry…
This kind of list always brings out the stupid in people…ain't that right Gav?
@Julius.. I couldn't agree more… sounds like your Pro-Bush (tell me if i'm wrong)
Seriously though – weidermeijer is right, Check out this info about the US Administration & Operation Northwoods… its about Cuba (you do know where that is don't you.. you probably don't even own a passport) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Hey Gav – glad you like the site – we have your e-mail address now so prepair to be butt-*****ed – you will be *****ting in an ass- bag soon!
Who wrote this bull***** list–Oliver Stone???
I was late to work on 9/11–thankfully I had W and the CIA blow up the World Trade Center so that my boss wouldn't realize I was tardy! Why don't you make that a bonus entry, Lamebrain–I mean Bryan J!
What? Humour me and explain?
Nineteen Saudis attacked us, so we attacked Iraq. And I thought MY sense of direction was bad!!!
How about a list on "Presidential Decisions That Make You Go WTF?"
"Presidential Decisions That Make You Go WTF?"… wow… how would you be able to whittle that down to 10??? ; )
Actually we attacked Afghanistan as a result of the 9/11 attacks and did not enter Iraq until 2003. We "attacked" Iraq for a whole host of reasons (I believe Bush and Powell had a list of 19 such reasons including the WMD argument and Saddam's breaking over 13 UN resolutions).
Although your sense of direction may be bad, your ability to create a simplistic argument based on a lack of understanding of geo-political events is quite good.
You believe Bush and Powell had a list of 19 such reasons including the WMD argument and Saddam's breaking over 13 UN resolutions. How about Israel? Israel have the biggest numbers of WMD in the world and always breaking UN resolutions. Why not attack Israel, eh?
Nineteen Saudis attacked us? None of them in the passengers' lists of the "hijacked" planes! Dumber than Bush!
Congratulations, Bryan J – this is probably the best list that has been published in months. Interesting, in-depth, highly informative and unbiased.
Thanks I appreciate it. I didn't want to write a 9/11 conspiracy list, but rather keep it fact based and let people make there own conclusions.
It´s amazing how vivid the memories of that day still are… It´s one of those things that you know you will always remember down to the last detail…
I was trying to sit through an advanced statistics class in college and stepped out of class to go splash some water on my face in an effort to stay awake when I happened to pass by one of the administrative offices with the TV on. I caught the transmission about 30 seconds before the second plane crashed. I just stood there frozen. What I dont remember is how the crowd formed around that little TV but there we were, around 200 silent students and teachers just staring and unable to speak. Even when I remember I still get that sense of incredulity, like a weird out-of-body experience where you´re almost pinching yourself to see if what´s happenng is real… Horrible, horrible day.
My cousin Bobby put it best, upon waking up from a mid-school day nap
"I woke up and America was on fire."
The attacks happened 8 am eastern standard time. You were having a mid-school day nap??
zone
Time Zone:
Any of the 24 longitudinal divisions of the earth's surface in which a standard time is kept, the primary division being that bisected by the Greenwich meridian. Each zone is 15° of longitude in width, with local variations, and observes a clock time one hour earlier than the zone immediately to the east.
eXCELLENT! nICE WORK BRYAN!
do you think people called 9-1-1 on 9/11 ? I would that that ironic
brock-guess who i banged on 9-11?
*sigh* Irony = opposite of what you would expect. Considering it was a major disaster, of course you call 9-1-1. That's neither irony nor coincidence. However, 9-1-1 and 9/11 having the same digits is coincidental.
No irony.
However, 9-1-1 and 9/11 having the same digits is coincidental. No irony.
Agreed, though some would like to believe that was all part of The Big Conspiracy.
Is brock getting more idiotic, or am I just setting the bar higher?
Are Canadians included in the title of “American?” Obviously they are part of North America, but when you hear about people hating “Americans,” they are always referring to the United States. I promise I’m not completely stupid, but I’m curious and I don’t know this.
But as for the Canadian with his panties in a bunch up there, I’m from New Jersey, which if you didn’t know, is below New York. My school was evacuated that day because they didn’t know if the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was headed for Philadelphia- which we could see from our school.
To this day, thinking about 9/11 makes me cry because of the sheer terror and loss of lives, but there is nothing wrong with dissecting an event in our history that affected everyone in the country. Everyone remembers where they were and what they were doing when they heard the news, and most of those people would like to know the how’s and why’s, and the only way to do that is to talk about it.
Nothing in this list made me feel like the blame was being placed on the United States, I was offended not at all but rather I enjoyed the list because it is not just a bunch of bs consiracy theories. What it is, is a list of things that happened around 9/11, just like it promised to be.
I hope you're not referring to me as the Canadian with his/her panties in a bunch. My panties aren't in a bunch, nor am I commenting from some perch of self-satisfied superiority. The exact same thing happened in Canada during the FLQ crisis. Civil rights were suspended; you could be thrown in jail and held indefinitely without cause (and folks were), there were curfews in Quebec, armed soldiers in the streets. And we went along with it for the exact same reasons you guys did after 9/11. We all grasp at the illusion of safety – fear clouds our thinking.
Personally I was home watching tv and getting ready for work – I thought at first that it was a war of the worlds type thing – couldn't believe it was happening. There were parts I couldn't watch. And still haven't. A horrible day.
Aw, buddy, Canada is like the US' first cousin. Say something bad about one of us and you have insulted the family.
Mexico is more the crazy uncle… I guess.
ABOUT!
I think mom424 would rather associate with her crazy uncle and then sit around with him and criticize and bash her first cousin. (just a guess)
Not that there is anything wrong with that. I'm much closer to my uncles than my cousins.
the put options were really something…never thought so many ppl knew abt this attack going to happen…nice list..keep it up
I agree. There were a lot of strange things going on.
put options before the attack was very strange. why no-one linked with the terorist-connection
That was a fantastic list. Well done man. Today was one of those classic listverse days with a fascinating list and the rest of the page covered with comments across the board. This topic has really entered the exclusive number of subjects that live in pandoras box. Who would have thought the “Terrorism” would join “religion” and “politics” to become something that can’t be discussed in public without intense disagreement. Again, great list.
FANTASTIC list! The whole stock market debocle really freaks me out. We're all entitled to our own thoughts and opinions, and personally, I can't believe that the stock market going crazy over the airlines and trade centers was mere coincidence. That's CRAZY!
The list was very well put together. Kepe up the good work!
I always think about how lucky Gary Condit (California Congessman) was when 9/11 happened. A Girl went missing in May, and it turns out he was having an affair with her. He was caught lying about the relationship and trying to cover up thing by hiding personal stuff in a dumpster. It was at the forefront of the news right up until 9/11 and then you never heard about it again. I'm not saying he was involved, but talk about making a quiet exit
In a time when it is so easy and borderline conventional for the western world and the middle eastern world to show animosity towards one another some individuals have arisen on either side who simply want what's best for the people they live amongst. Though I will never meet him, from what I know of Ahmad Shah Massoud he was a wise, compassionate and brave man and I think the western world shall never fully appreciate what we lost when he died.
I bet there would have been no 9-11.
google the topics in this list and include 911 or Sept.11 in the search and you more than likely will be taken to conspiracy sites or some left-bashing-right sites. Take the numbering out of the list – mash it all together – all you’re left with is a version of the same old 911 conspiracy.
As BryanJ commented himself “I didn't want to write a 9/11 conspiracy list… let people make there own conclusions.”
My conclusion: It’s the same old lame-o 911 conspiracy therefore not a list at all.
A very incongruous rehashing of the same old tripe over and over and over…
Which exact piece of information in this list is incorrect, TEX?
I don't believe I mentioned correctness or validity in my comment – did I?
As for what happened in the USA, Sept. 11, 2001 – some fanatical Muslim Jihadists hijacked some airliners full of innocent people and crashed them various places murdering many more innocent people in the name of allah,
and in the belief that by committing these mass murders they would become more prestigious in Islamic heaven than ordinary Muslims.
Well if you don't believe any of it is incorrect or invalid, what exactly are you *****ing about?
A agree TEX
(talking donkeys was good)
A list of 10 Events overshadowed by September 11 would have been interesting and then stick to stuff like the 2001 Atlantic Hurricane Season and the Gary Condit case as Doobie pointed out above.
What about the lame conspiracy theory about the 19 hijackers, and how one of them was identified when his intact passport was found on the street, even though he was in the plane that crashed into the WTC and vaporized everyone on board.
To me the government story is the most unbelievable conspiracy theory of all!
Wow…did you read the same article we just read?
Cos there was no "conspiracy" anything in this list.
You sir, are projecting at little I think.