Top 10 Things That Are Surprisingly Good For You
Published on September 23, 2008 - 332 Comments
Are you sick of being told what to eat, drink, and do? Then this is your lucky day! Here are ten things that people tell you are bad but actually have healthy aspects to them. In future when someone whines at you - you can point them in the direction of this list and have the last laugh! So onwards, the ten things that are healthier thank you think.

Ice-cream is a low GI (glycemic-index) food. This means that it is a slow sugar release food that keeps you satisfied for a longer period of time than a high GI food. For that reason, you are less likely to binge after eating ice-cream. 75 grams of Ben and Jerry’s Cookies and Cream ice-cream contains only 114 calories compared to a slice of cheesecake with 511 calories. Furthermore, ice-cream is made of milk which contains many essential nutrients and vitamins. 1 cup of milk contains up to 30% of a man’s daily recommended intake. Other nutrients in ice-cream are biotin, iodine, potassium, selenium, vitamins a, b12, D, and K. Studies show a possible link between milk consumption and a lowered risk of arterial hypertension, coronary heart disease, colorectal cancer.
Interesting Fact: In the 5th century BC, the ancient Greeks sold snow cones made with fruit and honey in the markets of Athens.

Throw away the rubber globes! Dirt is back in vogue! Remember the days where kids played in dirt, food was served with bare hands, and straws didn’t come in individual wrappers? It turns out - they were healthier days than our modern sterile ones! Early childhood exposure to bacteria, viruses, and parasites has been found to give a massive boost to our immune systems, making us less likely to get sick when we do come in to contact with various bugs. Research has found that children with a dog in the home are less likely to suffer allergies, and regular social interaction can reduce the risk of leukemia by up to 30%. Those are statistics not to ignore - so throw away the anti-bacterial cleaners and get dirty!
Interesting Fact: There are as many as 10 times more bacterial cells in the human body than human cells! The vast majority of these are harmless.

Stress is universally considered a bad thing - in some cases people have successfully won lawsuits against companies for work-related stress. But, what most people don’t know is that a little stress goes a long way to making us healthier. In short doses, stress can help boost the body’s immune system. In the first stage of stress (the “alarm” stage - often known as the “fight or flight” response) the body produces cortisol - a stress fighting hormone which has many benefits to the body. Stress can give a feeling of fulfillment - when this is the case it is called “eustress” as opposed to “distress”.
Interesting Fact: The term “stress” and the mental properties of it was not known before the 1950s. Until that time it referred simply to hardship or coercion.

Not only is coffee tasty, it is a mild stimulant with many medical uses. Caffeine contains a muscle relaxant that is very beneficial to people with bronchial problems - it can alleviate the symptoms of asthma. Additionally, caffeine releases certain fatty acids in to the blood stream that become a useful source of fuel for muscles. It even seems that the only serious side-effect to too much caffeine is a small amount of body-weight loss - a danger if you are anorexic. Caffeine should be avoided by people with fecal incontinence as it loosens the anal and sphincter muscles.
Interesting Fact: Caffeine can be toxic to animals, in particular dogs, horses, and parrots. It also has a much more significant effect on spiders than humans.

Red wine contains a group of chemicals called polyphenols (once called Vitamin P) which have been found to be very beneficial for health. They reduce the risk of heart disease and cancer. Wine has also been found to be an effective anti-bacterial agent against strains of Streptococcus (found most often in the human mouth) which can help reduce infections. Some wine varieties have extra health benefits; Cabernet Sauvignon appears to reduce the risk of Alzheimer’s Disease. In addition to the benefits already listed, wine is chock full of antioxidants which play a huge role in the health of the human body. The wines found to have the greatest benefits are found in the South of France and the Sardinia region of Italy.
Interesting Fact: Wine originated in the regions of Israel, Georgia, and Iran, around 6000 BC.

As a result of recent research into chocolate and health, it appears to be something of a panacea (cure-all) - coupled with the great taste and mood enhancing properties, it might be seen as a wonder drug! Cocoa or dark chocolate improves the overall health of the circulatory system, it stimulates the brain, prevents coughs, prevents diarrhea, and may even be an anti-cancer agent. Like coffee, chocolate is toxic to many animals. A BBC study indicates that melting chocolate in your mouth increases brain activity and the heart rate more intensely than passionate kissing, with the effect lasting four times longer after the activity ends. Eating regular small quantities of chocolate reduces cholesterol and the chances of a heart attack. Sign me up for some of that medication!
Interesting Fact: Chocolate has been used as a drink since at least 1100 - 1400 BC.

Cannabis is said to be beneficial for over 250 conditions. For this reason it is legal on prescription in a number of Western countries. Cannabis is believed to help with arthritis, asthma, depression, glaucoma, and pain. It is also reported to be a good treatment for constipation. Cannabis is also useful in dealing with the sideeffects of treatments for cancer, AIDS, and hepatitis. Cannabis has been used medicinally for over 3,000 years! Strangely, the cultivation and use of cannabis is outlawed in most countries.
Interesting Fact: Evidence of the use of cannabis as a non-medicinal drug exists as charred seeds found in Romania dating back to the 3rd millenium BC.

The moderate consumption of beer has been associated with the lowered risk of head disease, stroke, and mental decline. In addition, brewers yeast (used in the production of beer) contains many nutrients that are carried through to the final drink: magnesium, selenium, potassium, phosphorus, biotin, and B vitamins. For this reason, beer is sometimes referred to as “liquid bread”. In 2005 a Japanese study found that low-alcohol beer may contain strong anti-cancer properties. Contrary to popular belief, a “beer belly” or “beer gut” is not produced by the beer, but rather overeating and lack of exercise.
Interesting Fact: Beer is one of the oldest beverages - dating back to the 6th millennium BC.

Often referred to as “Smoker’s Paradoxes”, there are a number of therapeutic uses of nicotine or smoking. For example, smokers are less likely to need surgery to provide extra blood to their heart after an angioplasty, the risk of ulcerative colitis is reduced, and it even interferes with the development of Kaposi’s sarcoma (a type of cancer of the lymphatic endothelium). Perhaps most surprisingly, is that there are connections to smoking and a reduction in allergic asthma. There is also a large body of evidence to suggest that smokers have a dramatically reduced risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease and Parkinson’s Disease. Nicotine is currently being investigated as a treatment for ADHD, and Schizophrenia.
Interesting Fact: Tobacco smoking has been a practice of humans since at least 5000 BC.

Amidst the loud angry cries against pornography, a few serious scientific studies have been performed on the subject. It seems that men and women who view pornography, have improved sex lives, better sexual knowledge, and an overall better quality of life. Surprisingly, one study found that the more that pornography is viewed, the greater the improvements. In an extensive study performed in Australia, the majority of married respondents stated that they believed that pornography has had a positive effect on their marriage. While clearly not always linked to pornography, studies have found that men who had fewer orgasms were twice as likely to die of any cause as those having two or more orgasms a week.
Interesting Fact: Pornography (and the anti-pornography movement) as it is understood today is a concept of the Victorian era (19th century) which was extremely moralistic. Sexual imagery was not taboo before that time.
Sources:
1. Alzheimer’s disease is associated with non-smoking by Carol Thompson
2. Impact of Smoking on Clinical and Angiographic Restenosis After Percutaneous Coronary by Cohen, David J.; Michel Doucet, Donald E. Cutlip, Kalon K.L. Ho, Jeffrey J. Popma, Richard E. Kuntz
3. Smoking Cuts Risk of Cancer by United Press International
4. Caffeine: Perspectives from Recent Research by P.B. Dews
5. Using spider-web patterns to determine toxicity by R. Noever, J. Cronise, and R. A. Relwani
6. From psychological stress to the emotions: a history of changing outlooks by R. S. Lazarus
7. Effects of moderate alcohol consumption on cognitive function in women. by Stampfer MJ, Kang JH, Chen J, Cherry R, Grodstein F.
8. Beer as liquid bread: Overlapping science by Bamforth, C. W
9. A dynamic partnership: celebrating our gut flora by C. L. Sears
10. Dairy’s Role in Managing Blood Pressure by the National Dairy Council
11. Ice Cream - What’s in a Scoop? by Pat Kendall
12. The Lost Civilizations of the Stone Age by Richard Rudgely
13. Medical Use of Cannabis in California by Dale Gieringer
14. Dark Chocolate Could Help Hearts by Emma Ross
15. Chocolate can do good things for your heart, skin and brain by Marjorie Ingall
16. Chocolate better than kissing by BBC News
17. Polyphenols and disease risk in epidemiologic studies by Arts, I.C. and P.C. Hollman
18. Antibacterial Activity of Red and White Wine against Oral Streptococci by Daglia, M.; A. Papetti, P. Grisoli, C. Aceti, C. Dacarro, and G. Gazzani
19. Cabernet Sauvignon Red Wine Reduces The Risk Of Alzheimer’s Disease by ScienceDaily
20. From red wine to polyphenols and back: A journey through the history of the French Paradox by D. W. de Lange
21. Now that’s what you call a real vintage: professor unearths 8,000-year-old wine by David Keys
22. Vice or Virtue? The Pros of Pornography by Matthew Hutson
23. Study concludes porn can be good for you by Nick Grimm
24. Sex and Death, Are They Related? by the British Medical Journal
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1. beff - September 24th, 2008 at 2:38 am
well great list
but
all in moderation except the wine ; )
2. jajdude - September 24th, 2008 at 2:50 am
tight list, g. good to see beer on there; nice guns.
3. lizze - September 24th, 2008 at 2:54 am
great list. ill have to eat more chocolate.
4. Drogo - September 24th, 2008 at 2:57 am
Beer, wine, cigarettes, cannabis, caffeine, porn. This is my favorite list.
5. Aaron - September 24th, 2008 at 3:01 am
Hey cool list, I think in cases like smoking, the cons outweigh the pros but…
The title of this list makes me think of the song from Evita
6. jck1074 - September 24th, 2008 at 3:03 am
I am definitely bookmarking this page! Next time someone tries to say ice cream, smoking, or chocolate is bad i can just show them this page. Also, my friend and I were in an argument whether or not cannabis is good for you or not. I said it was. HA! I win this round.
Me- 1 World-89
Wow that was random :P. This is what happens whenever i pot messages on pages at 3:00 AM lol
7. Denzell - September 24th, 2008 at 3:06 am
Dude, seriously!
8. stormy617 - September 24th, 2008 at 3:12 am
LOL I absolutely love this list.
I always knew that pot was good for you and that more people should smoke it.
So light up everybody.
I know Mom424 will agree with me on that one!!
9. Ro - September 24th, 2008 at 3:13 am
Yeah not bad, but the overall negative effects of smoking outweigh the positive ones by a long shot. You wouldn’t tell anyone to pick up the habit would you? That piece of advice then, would be a bit suicidal.
And nice pic for #1. That’s one big hand grabbing that redhead.
10. Denzell - September 24th, 2008 at 3:14 am
Pornography deserves to be here, I agree. You’ll need it when homo sapiens get endangered. Anyway, porn has also been used for pandas to multiply. You changed my life again. I don’t hate porn anymore.
11. Nicola - September 24th, 2008 at 3:15 am
Jfrater admit it… you made this list up so you can justify your addictions :D…
12. emmstein - September 24th, 2008 at 3:21 am
my girlfriend.. needs.. to see.. this..!
13. a fan - September 24th, 2008 at 3:22 am
Porn and beer, a great healthy combination
14. jfrater - September 24th, 2008 at 3:26 am
Nicola: I would never do such a thing!
15. Metalwrath - September 24th, 2008 at 3:27 am
yay! i don’t feel bad about smoking and drinking beer all the time now! thanks!
(jk)
16. Nameless - September 24th, 2008 at 3:27 am
Long time reader, first time commenter: I really liked this list, especially since it shows how even the most demonized things may have good properties. But I can’t get over the fact that Kaposi’s Sarcoma is *not* a breast cancer. Kaposi’s Sarcoma is a skin cancer (however, like all aggressive tumors it may spread anywhere, but mainly on the skin and mucosae), and it is caused by a virus of the Herpes family. Check this link for further information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaposi’s_Sarcoma . Just my two cents.
17. Umbra - September 24th, 2008 at 3:28 am
Great list!
I knew about all of these except nr 10 and 8. I especialy like nr 4 (btw, i’m from Romania
)
18. jck1074 - September 24th, 2008 at 3:33 am
wasn’t it dr cox from scrubs who said that if we got rid of all porn sites, there’d only be one intenet site and it would be called “Bring Back Porn”. I think he has a point!
19. kiwiboi - September 24th, 2008 at 3:39 am
jfrater - excellent list!
As an aside, the way you have detailed your citations at the end of the list is excellent! Maybe this should be a requirement for all who submit lists for consideration…
20. jfrater - September 24th, 2008 at 3:45 am
kiwiboi: thanks - I thought that considering the controversial nature of some entries on this list that it would be best to include some sources
21. RobS - September 24th, 2008 at 3:48 am
Kaposi’s Carsoma is not a type of a beast cancer. “Despite its name, it is generally not considered a true sarcoma, which is a tumor arising from mesenchymal tissue. KS actually arises as a cancer of lymphatic endothelium and forms vascular channels that fill with blood cells, giving the tumor its characteristic bruise-like appearance.” It are lesions, “nodules or blotches that may be red, purple, brown, or black, and are usually papular (i.e. palpable or raised)”. Aids sufferers tend to get them.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaposi%27s_sarcoma
Otherwise a very interesting list - I indulge in all of them!
22. astraya - September 24th, 2008 at 3:50 am
Did you road-test this list?
23. foohy - September 24th, 2008 at 3:55 am
Yet you forget to mention all the bad side effects off many things on this list…you make it look like all these things are are something you SHOULD do when in reality the bad far outweighs the good…
24. Wini - September 24th, 2008 at 4:08 am
Cannabis does not help depression - it is the gateway to depression.
25. ian - September 24th, 2008 at 4:41 am
Somehow I know that pornography is good for me. Yes, I agree with that one!
There’s no doubt for ice cram, caffeine and chocolate. Beer too? Oh gee, thank.
Stress is good for me? Neeh…
26. xdarkhorsex - September 24th, 2008 at 4:46 am
WHOOOO HOOOOOOOO 420 TIME BABY!!!!
Finally I can also turn to my girlfriend and tell her that if I don’t watch porn I could die. She’ll buy that, ohhhhhh ya.
These here internets are great fer increasin mah intelligunce
27. MT - September 24th, 2008 at 4:53 am
Interesting list.
I don’t agree with the smoking though. I grew up with asthma and allergies and had a dad that smoked. I spent many night in the emergency room because back then no one realized the danger smoking caused.
My young daughter has asthma and I’ve often given her coffee to relieve some of the symptoms because I discovered it worked for me years ago.
Also, I think an occasional argument or even a fist fight (depending on your age)is good too. It’s a good cerebal workout to make your point while yelling. A physical fight can also improve your confidence and get you more respect from your peers IMO.
28. Ravyn - September 24th, 2008 at 5:01 am
One thing to add to caffiene is that it helps lessen the severity of migrain.
29. Nicolelodeon - September 24th, 2008 at 5:08 am
Nice list.
And to those commenting listing sources from wikipedia- don’t you know that Wikipedia is a terrible source to go off of? Anyone can add things there, just go to a medical site and look it up!
30. Randall - September 24th, 2008 at 5:09 am
jfrater:
Great list. Especially the porn. I TOLD mom it was good for me when I was 15. Sometimes parents just don’t listen.
I’ll pass on the smoking though.
And I’ll be awaiting your list on the health benefits of extra-thick cheeseburgers, gooey pizza, and fried chicken.
til then, a glass of wine and a plate of asparagus for me.
31. Cedestra - September 24th, 2008 at 5:20 am
I think the negative stigma around the items on this list is rediculously strong (barring cigarettes and stress). That being said, I am one to take addictions too far and try to keep away from most of these things. It’s too late for my ice cream addiction (Why, Ben & Jerry’s, did you put a store within WALKING distance of my apartment!?!), but thankfully I’ve never picked up a cigarette.
Very nice list. I must say, too, I’m rather glad to see that nice, long list of references after the list. I worry sometimes that contributors aren’t as honest as we hope they would be with their citations and that lawsuits may be thrown around.
32. Cedestra - September 24th, 2008 at 5:23 am
Randall: Did you know you could save on pounds and cholesterol by soaking each slice of pizza you eat with a napkin? Those tablespoons of grease add up over a year! ‘Course, people will look at you funny; then again, I eat pizza with a fork, so I’m bizarre anyway.
33. Shadow - September 24th, 2008 at 5:31 am
Unfortunately… at the moment I’m a diabetic… so I can’t indulge in certain things on here, and never marijuana. Sorry folks, I see what happens when people smoke it, and can’t abide allowing myself to act like that due to a drug - I do it fine just on my own. TObacco though… maybe as a pipe so I don’t have to put up with so many toxins would be fine.
And the porn… heh heh, I NEVER! LMAO! Oh, who am I kidding, I have more pron sites in my favorites than regular ones. Good thing my li’l lady doesn’t mind.
34. thewebpromoter - September 24th, 2008 at 5:44 am
Wow, really surprising… I really love to agree with #1, LOL, my friend just told me before… Good job, J…
35. Zoltan - September 24th, 2008 at 5:44 am
While I think beer is gross, and have vowed to myself to never smoke as long as I can help it, this is one hell of a list. Good to see that stress is beneficial, and that warm fuzzy feeling I get when it eleviates………
36. dischuker - September 24th, 2008 at 5:49 am
cedestra: soaking each slice of pizza with a napkin??? but then you take all the flavor out.
as far as the porn one goes, i have to disagree. in reading the sources that were provided here is what the author of one of the studies said…
“Lead author Martin Hald concedes that people generally view themselves as relatively immune to harmful media effects and that users may focus on porn’s benefits to rationalize continuous consumption. Indeed, studies by others show that exposure to X-rated material makes both men and women less satisfied with their partners, less supportive of marriage, more interested in emotionless sex, and more accepting of female servitude.”
everything terrible in the world has supporters, otherwise it wouldn’t exist. we only do what we enjoy. but this “research” is focused on people who already have positive feelings towards porn. not exactly the most unbiased group to ask.
i personally know the dangers of porn and how that can harm relationships, especially marriage. it isn’t worth it.
btw, excellent idea to include the references.
impressed again by jayfray.
37. Mom424 - September 24th, 2008 at 5:50 am
That’s it, I’m excited. According to this list I’m gonna live forever.
Seriously folks, it is not mentioned, but I’m thinking moderation is the key. Drinking red wine all day; the detrimental effects are going to far out weigh the beneficial properties.
There is no way you’re going to convince me that my cigarette habit is good for me. Preventing Alzheimer’s won’t do me much good if I’m dead at 65 from lung cancer.]
Shadow: Act how? I’m a weed smoker, I don’t act like a drug addled fool. Moderation in all things.
38. Mom424 - September 24th, 2008 at 5:56 am
Oh and my Grandmother was correct the whole time; maybe she should have changed it around a bit.
“Everyone SHOULD eat a peck of dirt before they die”
Did you know that one of the best ways to prevent your children from auto-immune disorders is to have a family pet? Visit your local pound, not only will you be benefiting your family, you’ll be saving someone’s discarded pet from the big needle.
39. DamienKarras - September 24th, 2008 at 5:59 am
This list doesnt suprise me a bit… ANYTHING, if taken in huge doses, is probably going to be bad for you.
The upshot is now I can reindulge in some old habits with less worry. YAY!
40. JayBe - September 24th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Just one point about the #8
As jfrater said, stress is a natural reaction that at least all mamals use to front dangerous situations. The fisiologic response is healthy for a short time, but not how humans take it.
It was made for activate a “red alert code” when you saw a lion comming stright to you for example. When you found yourself free of that manace the stress reaction ended.
The problem is that nowadays humans are constantly thinking about the lion, even when is miles away. And because of that we prolong the stress state more to what is healthy.
About smoking. I don’t think is worst the benefits…they’re a bit off.
Anyway, another nice list
JB
41. phat_stack - September 24th, 2008 at 6:08 am
“You are less likely to binge after eating ice-cream.” What if that was what you binged on in the first place? Yeah…moderation…I know.
42. DamienKarras - September 24th, 2008 at 6:14 am
I’ve seen so many studies change views while growing up… first milk was good for you, then bad, now it seems to be ok again.
And some of these studies are esoteric and off the wall. I’m waiting for some really bizarre crap like: “Recent studies have shown that engaging in homicidal tendencies raises the sperm count in men and reduces anxiety.”
43. Flower - September 24th, 2008 at 6:17 am
Let me guess; the people who are responding to this list positively are the same ones who actually believe what’s ‘reported’ in the newspaper.
Btw. Reference 10. Look at who is saying dairy is good for you. Surprising?
44. astraya - September 24th, 2008 at 6:17 am
I’m sure that there are an equal number of studies showing that all these things are bad for you. We tend to latch on to the things that support us in doing what we want to do anyway, or confirm us in what we already don’t do, and ignore the things that tell us not to do the things we want to do.
A few years ago a chain email went round quoting a university study (that turned out to be fake) that found that fellatio was good for a woman’s health and listed several benefits. Of course all the men latched on to that. Although that was a fake, there was another study that found a statistically significant reduction of pre-ecclampsia (a potentially life-threatening condition during pregnancy) among women who had done this.
45. ringtailroxy - September 24th, 2008 at 6:17 am
what a fun list! (although I was aware of many of the benefits from some of these things…)
my grannie always said “Ya gots ta eat a speck of dirt before ya die”
I have been completely convinced for about 10 years now that this anti-microbial world we live in (home steam cleaners for floors, anti-bacterial soaps, Lysol on doorknobs, individually wrapped everything, even restaurants with arm handles to open doors so your hands stay clean after washing) has been making our species weaker by not exposing us to germs. Hell, i grew up on a farm. walked barefoot in the woods. ate fruit right off the plants, probably swallowed a few hapless bugs as well. my motto? if it didn’t kill me then, it isn’t going to kill me now!
my father told me once “the trick to carrying on is to not get carried away, Darlin’)
(this was when i was 18 and called him to pick me up at a party at 2:00 a.m. because i was too drunk to drive home. he was pissed to get up and get me so early, but glad i didn’t attempt to drive home in that condition).
rtr
46. PirateXxEsque - September 24th, 2008 at 6:19 am
And here I was thinking coffee or chocolate were going to be number 1.
Great list!
47. lotte - September 24th, 2008 at 6:22 am
This is so not true!
Ice-cream contains more chemicals than u think and they certainly will cause cancer if too much is taken over the long term.
Also,tobacco certainly does more harm than good.Is it worth risking your health for just that little benefits that may not even be true?
48. lotte - September 24th, 2008 at 6:27 am
The manufacturers are all out to make money and would do almost anything to make u buy their product.Don’t believe everything they say.
49. Muttley - September 24th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Kaposi’s Sarcoma is a lymphatic-based cancer: just because breast tissue has a high proportion of lymphoid tissue doesn’t equate or link the two.
In fact Kaposi’s Sarcoma is a bruise-like lesion located on the skin surface - most commonly on the torso - but spreading to the limbs and is most commonly a complication of full-blown AIDS.
In fact, many AIDS patients tend to die NOT from AIDS itself but from the corollary conditions the loss of the immune system allows - namely Pneumonia and Kaposi’s Sarcoma
50. gabyvhenteciete - September 24th, 2008 at 6:32 am
interesting list. i don’t agree with smoking though. i still think that the harm caused by smoking far offsets whatever good it does.
51. jajdude - September 24th, 2008 at 6:36 am
lotte you’re paranoid dude. How many people have you met with lung cancer (re: smoking), and how many people have you met that have AIDS?
Weird how so many drinkers, smokers and unhealthy eaters live so long, eh?
52. Callie - September 24th, 2008 at 6:39 am
I have mixed feelings about this list, mostly the pot and smoking…I just quit smoking (ciggs), and although it’s only been two months. I feel MUCH healthier.
The pot..eh. I guess to each his own, but its not my thing. I know waaaaaay too many potheads and if I talked/smelled/thought like them I might just shoot myself. They certainly aren’t healthy, but I suppose they feel no pain.
Anyway..PETA just wrote a letter to Ben and Jerry’s asking them to use human breast milk in ice cream instead of cow milk. To everyone who just threw up in their mouths…thanks, I’m here all week
53. JLo - September 24th, 2008 at 6:40 am
Okay, I understand the many things on this list (chocolate, alcohol, caffeine) can be unhealthy for you in large quantities, but I really have a hard time buying that virtually any amount of porn is healthy, especially with its rather ubiquitous nature as a result of the internet. Due to the advent of the internet, pornography has moved from being something only moral groups are opposed to, in fact, some of the leading experts in sexual and porn addiction are not religious peoplet at all. I would recommend reading anything Patrick Carnes. He is a leading expert on sexual addiction. While I understand you are probably advocating an “in moderation” approach here, the studies indicate that porn is highly addictive, probably moreso that some types of drugs. Carnes says, “…the same way that people can become addicted to drugs, alcohol or gambling, they can become addicted to sex, anything from Internet sex to obsessive masturbation to affairs….”
This is a good list, I just wanted to chime in with my two cents on this sure-to-be volatile topic.
54. DamienKarras - September 24th, 2008 at 6:45 am
The strange thing about being addicted to cigarettes (IMHO anyway) is the first one you smoke… I’ve seen people turn green, cough their spleen up and their response after this?
Give me another smoke, man…
Chalk it up to peer pressure maybe.
55. DamienKarras - September 24th, 2008 at 6:58 am
Lusting after sin… do they cancel each other out?
56. deepthinker - September 24th, 2008 at 6:59 am
Cool list! I can’t justify smoking tobacco as healthy, even though I am a nicotine addict! As much as I would like to know that there could be benefits, I know that the consequences are worse. On a “higher” note, cannabis was beneficial to me, and my marriage. Once my hubby and I started toking together, we stayed home with each other, sat and smoked, laughed and talked more, and enjoyed each others’ company. And, porn has helped in other ways.
It is easy to get into a rut in a marriage, and we found a way out of ours! Yay for weed and porn! Making the world a happier place!
57. Bob - September 24th, 2008 at 7:01 am
The bit about the Victorians is nonsense, of course–nonsense remains nonsense no matter how many times it’s repeated. Sin is sin. Lust is lust. Keep trying to justify it.
58. Chris - September 24th, 2008 at 7:05 am
This list seems slightly biased towards the positive aspects of these items. This list neglects to say how much chemicals there are in things like ice cream and coffee (artificial sweetners, preservatives), and the fact that smoking is even on this list, let alone number 2, is amazing. Not only are you inhaling smoke, but you are also inhaling chemicals like carbon monoxide, tar, and even arsenic. Is this list meant to be a joke?
59. Phil - September 24th, 2008 at 7:16 am
Chris- put tongue in cheek.
60. Randall - September 24th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Bob:
Sorry, but you’re the one spouting nonsense pal. The list was factually quite correct; pornography, as we so define it today, is a product of the repressive Victorian era. Georgians and Elizabethans certainly had no such compunctions regarding sexual imagery (they simply didn’t have the technology to produce the stag film… yet) and in fact classical civilization (Greeks and Romans) was replete with bawdy sexual imagery which you wouldn’t believe. Some of *that* stuff would shame Larry Flynt (well, almost).
Rabelais, Boccaccio and other medieval/renaissance authors wrote works that are chock full of sex and scatology and all kind of things that were smiled at and accepted broadly in their day–though the uptight Victorians would later label them taboo.
Remember, these are the tight-assed clowns who thought it necessary to censor *Shakespeare* because he was thought too bawdy and graphic.
History has shown that when sexual desires are repressed rather than channelled into healthy release, it causes all kinds of corruption, grief, crime and misery. Which is exactly what Bible-thumpers such as yourself (at least you seem to be) wish to avoid.
The hypocritical Victorians were known quite well to indulge–albeit secretly–in all kinds of acts, depravities and pornography–except that they had to do it in hiding, and the law had to pretend (for the most part) to look the other way.
Why? Because the Victorians, like the rest of us, were human. Denying one’s humanity doesn’t make one less sinful or more pure, Bob. It just makes one repressed, foolish, and hypocritical.
61. tobbytoy - September 24th, 2008 at 7:28 am
I found this list and the comments about this list interesting. It seems that the creator and many of the commentors are trying to justify the addictions they have. Anyone can find shreds of “good” in inherently bad (not bad in the moral sense, primarily in the “- for you” sense) things. For example, war is good because it reduces the population and boosts the economy. If you were to illuminate both sides of the thing, the good v. the bad, you would certainly find that most of the items on this list should be avoided or engaged in sparingly.
62. Hmm - September 24th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Probably the exception, not the rule, but…
I work in the porn industry (I’m an editor for Red Light District TV Canada), and over the year or so I’ve been employed there, I’ve noticed a dramatic reduction in sex drive and developed ED. I don’t think porn is a bad thing, but all in moderation - something I’ve learned.
63. Egg - September 24th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Great list! Some of these I knew of vaguely, but it’s good to put some reason behind them. Look at those references would you, it’s a beautiful sight :’)
64. batesman - September 24th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Time magazine reported a couple years back that Nicotine helps with Jet Lag; apparently a single cigarete reduced the effects of it for more than 50% of the people tested. Or something.
65. DamienKarras - September 24th, 2008 at 7:46 am
tobbytoy- good point, however, the 10 items in the list are usually demonized. We’ve had it shoved down our throats that these things are bad for us. The point of the list (I think) is to show a different light on these *scandalous* things.
66. Shadow - September 24th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Lotte - You wouldn’t happen to be an author; would you?
Dischuker - My condolences, for what they’re worth. I don’t particularly agree with porn for its own sake, but as a way to find what you like, and as a form of foreplay, it could be a good thing. The problem comes from addiction and immature views and ideas that are allowed to take hold; which is why it should be in moderation, and with the partner’s consent and hopefully mutual enjoyment.
Mom424 - What I said was not intended as a generalisation, though I can see now how it could be taken as such. My apologies for that. If you’ll remember, I’m only in my twenties, so imagine what kind of behavior I’ve seen them get up to.
67. downhighway61 - September 24th, 2008 at 8:19 am
In regards to the smoking thing…
I actually have allergen induced asthma, and oddly enough, smoking helps it a bit. If I’m having an attack, and I have a cig, it goes away.
I’ve just quit, so I’m going to have to refill my inhaler for when I do get an attack.
But then again, I don’t recommend picking up smoking.
Like Mom said, what’s the difference if you ward off Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s if you’re dead at 65?
Caffeine is part of some migraine medicines.
Doesn’t help MY migraines of course though
68. jackbly - September 24th, 2008 at 8:21 am
cannabis has runied many of my friends lives.
69. postman - September 24th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Beer, wine, smoking, porn, cannabis, coffee, chocolate, stress and best of all ice-cream - They’re going to find me face down in the dirt but with a big smile on my face.
70. solensdrottning - September 24th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Yeah, honestly this list make me a little sick. For the majority of the items, the bads absolutely outweigh the goods. I feel sorry for anyone that uses these ideas as justification for their bad habits.
I’d better just stop there…
71. Randall - September 24th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Cedestra:
I had a friend in college who did that, the napkin/pizza thing. Yes, it does look weird.
Easier for me to just avoid pizza entirely, since it’s a food I cannot say no to, if I get just one taste of it. I confess I’ve had the same self-control problem with some women I’ve known, but then I am, after all, a perv.
72. Callie - September 24th, 2008 at 8:29 am
hmmm-
I had an ex boyfriend who edited porn for a website and in his down time had to go on several of their competitors and check out their ads, the quality of their movies, etc. He quit that job a about 8 months before I ever met him and we dated for two years, and in that time he didn’t look at porn once, and would repeat over and over how it just didn’t do it for him anymore. He also suffered from a reduced sex drive for a good year.
We’re on friendly terms and he JUST started looking at porn again like three weeks ago.
Moderation is definitely the key term of the day at LV.
73. ligeia - September 24th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Presumably (as many others have commented) these things should only be enjoyed in moderation. I’ve cut back on the weed but I haven’t noticed any major changes, only that now when I smoke I get WAY more stoned than I used to and as result my weed lasts longer, sweet!!
Astraya: if what you say about bjs is true then I’m sorted, hehe
Shadow: I’m in my 20s too and I’ve seen people from the ages of about 16 - 40 stoned and let me tell you its generally the older people who act like idiots.
That’s not to say that everyone young who smokes acts ok - one guy I knew attacked someone because she kept shining a torch in his face. But then he did warn her he was going to kill her if she did it again. Luckily he had the sense not to smoke again.
As for porn - personally, I don’t understand the appeal. Why would I want to watch other people having sex when I could be doing it myself?
74. rubysp - September 24th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Haha! I LOVE this list!! Although I’ll say ‘thanks but no thanks’ to beer, cigarettes and drugs I agree that everything else needs to be taken in moderation.
My boss always tells me: “Just beacause one glass of wine boost your health doesn’t mean eight glasses of wine is eight times the effect”
*Now I won’t feel so bad indulging myself on ice cream, chocolate and coffee….Dont’ forget porn!!
75. A.Zon - September 24th, 2008 at 8:47 am
I can testify with the porn, I have vast knowledge of the female body and my wife is grateful
76. G Note - September 24th, 2008 at 8:49 am
I wish my boss knew about this list.
I could sit at my desk drinking a beer, having a cigarette and watching the porn. All for health reasons of course
77. A - September 24th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Cannabis. =]
78. Nic - September 24th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Well I didn’t think I will one day quit on LISTVERSE, but that day has come. I’m not sure who is responsible for SCREENING lists, but that one is very UNAPPROPRIATE!!
-Millions of people die of lung cancers and respiratory problems every years. The government spend billions of dollars just to cure and to assist patients with those illnesses. Smoking isn’t suprisingly good for you!
-Thousands and thousands of people die on the roads every years, children and women are being physically abused because of drunkness. Wine and Beers aren’t surprisingly good for you. Drink grape juice, all the good stuff is in it.
-Families are broken everywhere because of the addiction to pornography. It’s REALLY hard to stay faithful to your wife when you LUST after other women. When my sex life has improved because i think of perversed images, I don’t see how PORN can be SURPRISINGLY GOOD for a couple.
-Chocolate and Caffein aren’t the best food to intake. Do just a little study. They are stimulating agents and intoxicate your body. To be taking with moderation. It is not SURPRISINGLY good for you.
This list is just to encourage those living with difference VICES. Let’s seek what is really GOOD. For any comments, on what I just said.
79. jajdude - September 24th, 2008 at 9:00 am
man no wonder the west is wrecked - these comments say it all. puritan yanks and pc brits no doubt
80. Kahvi - September 24th, 2008 at 9:09 am
I can agree with number one. My boyfriend and I use it to get in the mood all the time! So it definately has enriched our lives.
81. Brickhouse - September 24th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Everything in moderation, of course. You can overdo everything on this list and those that are conventionally seen as healthy (like getting an orange tint from eating carrots).
Great list, really!
A.Zon: I can testify to porn, too - both my husband and I watch it (not always together) and we have a great sex life.
82. Joss - September 24th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Fantastic list! Best in a while.
83. A - September 24th, 2008 at 9:21 am
jajdude: what’s that supposed to mean?
84. Randall - September 24th, 2008 at 9:23 am
nic:
nic, nic… lighten up sport. ALL THINGS IN MODERATION. You are reporting the effects of ABUSE and ADDICTION—but people can abuse and be addicted to damn near anything these days, and you could argue it ALL does harm.
Red wine is good for you. People have been thriving on it for thousands of years. Yeah, if you suck it down like water, you’re gonna get in trouble. Winos ain’t fun… trust me, I’ve known a few. Insufferable boors. But this doesn’t mean wine itself is a BAD thing. FOOD is a good thing, but if you eat too much of it, you turn into a big, fat pig. Nobody likes that. But what do we do? Ban food? Nooooooo… cuz we need it. Samewise with the vino. I know I need it. Life would be unbearable without a snort now and then. I can’t help it if a few people are alcoholics; that’s their problem (sorry to sound cruel) and they either produce the strength of will to cope with it, and/or get help… or they don’t. But I shouldn’t have to give up my glass or two of wine two or three times a week on account of THEM.
Chocolate and caffeine DO have benefits–particularly chocolate. AGAIN, if you OVERINDULGE, sure… you’re a glutton. Don’t do it. But let’s practice self-control and some character strength here… not just pounce on the poor chocolate bar, who is only innocently trying to bring us pleasure.
Same goes for porn. It can be a wonderful thing. I like being horny, and like the release of it at the appropriate time. Now, me, I don’t actually indulge in porn, because I find enough “release” in my actual life. But when you’re between engagements, as it were, and feeling the itch, a little help now and then isn’t a bad thing.
Yes, if you spend every waking hour staring hungrily at girls in leather in weird positions on the internet, you’ve got a problem. But seek help for it–have the strength of will to face it. That’s all.
Lusting after other women now and then, when one is married, is natural. ACTING on it is wrong. A little fantasy now and then releases the urge. Now, frankly, I don’t think porn should be necessary for this—I took my business in with me, solo, to the privacy of my bath, when needed, back when I was married. Worked for me… but then to each his own… maybe some guys need to have a few copies of Hustler lying around. I find that adolescent, but hey… it’s a free country. But it wasn’t lusting after other women that broke up MY marriage–it was my shrewish, harpy of a wife with her incessant nagging that did it. (HA HA… just kiddin’… actually she’s a good egg. We just weren’t right for each other, we had too many differences in temperament and personality).
Any, nic, in short, you’re being an uptight goofball. Relax. We’re all heading to the same hole in the ground–having a little fun along the way is a good thing. Overindulging isn’t. Let’s say no to excess, and yes to moderation… okay?
85. Tara - September 24th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Nic, way to censor, bravo.
Frater, great list.
So yeah, moderation in all things, the very basic thing about all this is that no matter what everything we do to and with our bodies effects it both positively and negatively.
Nic. I applaud your ability to shun vice, and pity your lack of living.
That being said. You comment is inappropriate, more so than this list. You views mean nothing to me and to say that your views should dictate what I read. Well, that is just innane.
86. solensdrottning - September 24th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Lack of living? Because I choose not to smoke pot or look at porn you think someone like me isn’t “living”? I think I have a lot more living under my belt by not tying myself to addictive and immoral indulgences.
87. smurff - September 24th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Beer on the list its made my day.
Good list - and Randall what a brilliant response to nic`s comments, everything in moderation very well interpereted and well written.
88. Woooooolhouse - September 24th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I plan on doing all of these at the same time this weekend. Big date night for me!
89. Nikki - September 24th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Nic - me and my boyfriend regularly watch porn and we have a fantastic sex life and a brilliant relationship. I suggest you perhaps lighten up and stop believeing everything the government tells you.
Everything in moderation
90. yodadiedtrying - September 24th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Sounds like #78 Nic needs to mellow out a little…if you know what I mean.
Plenty of bad things happen all the time that aren’t caused by any of the things listed here. It seems like you have a pretty bleak outlook on life, man. From those of us who believe you only live once, it sounds alot like you aren’t living at all. And if we weren’t supposed to enjoy these things; at least in moderation, why did God even bother creating them? Oh wait…I know why…
91. Chris - September 24th, 2008 at 10:01 am
I completely agree with you, solensdrotting. Just because I choose not to destroy my body by smoking and shorten my life by decades doesn’t mean I’m not living. Its just the opposite.
92. Tara - September 24th, 2008 at 10:08 am
solensdrottning/nic
Hey, if you want me to give a turd about your morality you have to in turn do the same right?
My opinion is just as valid as yours, only difference is that I do not advocate you being silenced.
93. solensdrottning - September 24th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Did I in any way try to silence you or say that you should be silenced?
No.
94. Eric from Canada - September 24th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Great list!
It shames me that were from the same city nic.
P.S. Resveratrol, the chemical in red wine that can reduce the risk of cancer, coronary heart disease, and is benificial to the cardiovascular system, is not found in grape juice. Grape juice that you get at your local super market is made from concentrate, even the ones that say 100% real juice are mostly concentrate.
95. Callie - September 24th, 2008 at 10:50 am
calm down kiddies..
Randall, I bet you know this, and if anyone else does, please chime in.
Is white wine as good for you as red? I’ve never found a red I’m particularly fond of. I even buck tradition and order myself a glass of white with a nice steak.
Or, is there a specific red someone has tried and would like to recommend?
Also, a nice little story about chocolate:
I bring fun sized candy bars in my lunch, and a coworker buys his almost every day. He usually gets a sandwich and a salad and always commends himself on his healthy choices and lambasts me for bringing candy, never mind the fact that I topple the scales at 106 pounds. Anyway, he DRENCHES his salads in ranch dressing and has long ignored my comments that salad dressing is worse than my candy bar.
Finally, our cafeteria got single salad dressing packets and when we were able to compare, he was putting twice the fat and calories on his salad as I was eating in my candy.
again.. M-O-D-E-R-A-T-I-O-N
96. Nic - September 24th, 2008 at 10:56 am
I appreciate your reply Randall and the time you took to write it.
I respect your view, I think we all have the freedom to think and to reason. I gave my opinion, you gave yours, both respectfully, and that’s how things should be.
I won’t hide you the fact that I have a Christian bible based background and beleives. (I have no shame in claiming to be Christian) I regard holiness and purity as gifts that God desired to give us for our own good and happiness. I’m assuming now that you are open to different views and beleives, that is why I will write this to you.
The Bible describes sinful habits and vices as being like leprosy (ok, I know I may be a little radical here for some, but please just follow the train of thoughts). One can be affected on a hand or a feet for instance, but very rapidly, the leprosy will be spread out and infect the whole body. And so it is with what God calls sin. Sin can be seen as “in” and inoffensive, but rapidly, it will develop an addiction and a dependancy that might very well lead to a recurring compulsion registered within the brain. It’s a trap, a force that will bring one down. Okay, smoking, drinking and porn may not be seen as dangerous as stealing, murdering or adultery, yet Jesus is clear when he states that when you lust after a woman, you have already commited adultery in the heart. And yes, and unfortunately, the drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Did you know that study shows that 33% of people that touch alcohol will become alcoholic? Tell me something, if my doberman would attack 33% of the guests that come to my house, would you ever visit me? And would I keep that dog? If 33% of the planes would crash, nobody would ever fly into the sky, would they?
Listen, what I am saying is this: You have the choice to live your life the way you think you want to live it. God gives us free choice. But for every action someone makes, they are consequences. Is moderation the way to go? Human nature does not and have not changed. We rapidly develop habits that are hard and even impossible to undo. Try to show me 10 people that are totally complete and fulfilled drinking, smoking, watching porn, and I will show you 50 that have had complete freedom over those things and will NEVER go back.
I am NOT going to support porn industry that treat women as sexual objects and that abase human kind as animals. God gave us a mind to choice right from wrong. We are NOT animal living according to our lowest instincts. Sex has been giving only as a gift to those who God has united to enhance the expression of their love and to populate the planet.
I will not smoke or encourage anyone to use either cigarettes nor drugs. It kills millions of people every years. I want to live as healthy as I can, especially when I will hit the last days on my life. I’m not going to polute my family and my friends either. Cigarette kills, it’s written on the packages. The bible says: I shall not kill. That includes me.
I don’t consume alcoholic drinks. Too risky and it kills brain cells, that is where the feeling of being drunk comes from. And when I have a good time, I like to remember it the next day! And for those who says, Jesus drank wine, the bible uses the word wine for both fermented and unfermented grape juice. Jesus changed water into grape juice. Do some research.
Many of you will evidently disagree with what I wrote. This is a bible based Christan view. This view will not suit those postmodernists of this world that beleive that there is no abdolute true. I respect your view, though do not agree, not in the presence of an all-caring and all-loving God. This view will not suit atheists and agnotists either, for we may just be, according to them, glorified monkeys and we should truly do what pleases the heart. Human kind has never archeived peace and unity just because we have too often followed what our hearts have dictate us. And lastly, this view will not suit the sin lover, for it requires a sacrifice and humility to reconize that the pleasures of this world cannot fulfill and make anyone complete. Only Christ can.
97. JayArr - September 24th, 2008 at 10:59 am
One of the reasons “…that smokers have a dramatically reduced risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease and Parkinson’s Disease…” is because they tend to die long before those particular diseases become evident.
I find it interesting that the numbers 2 and 1 items on the list are actually ON the list - though I must admit I’m certainly a fan of number 1! I know from personal experience (being a former smoker) and from the experiences of my family and friends (several of whom are dead as a direct result of diseases/conditions caused by their smoking habits), that the risks of smoking FAR outweigh any possible benefits one ‘might’ find.
As for the old statement, “All things in moderation…” it should probably be qualified more along the lines of “…most things in moderation, and some things never at all…”
Well, I’m off to have a frozen chocolate ice cream cake with hash brownies, and my choice of beer/wine to enjoy while watching The Devil and Miss Jones. Cheers!
98. Pitabread - September 24th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Great list.
Just found a similar one…
http://www.livescience.com/hea....._good.html
99. Skepticism - September 24th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Cannabis! Viva Jamaica!
100. kris - September 24th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Except for Icecreams,chocoloates & playing in dirt…I am a big no no for everything
101. Randall - September 24th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Callie:
You’ve asked the right person, as A) I am all-knowledgeable, omniscient, omnipresent, and have a “sexy radio voice.” B) I live in “wine country” and know my freakin’ wines. In fact, a list on this very subject is forthcoming, as soon as I can finish it—it places lower on my priority list than other items–some work-related, some not.
Anyway, unfortunately, no… white wine does NOT offer as MUCH a benefit as red wine–or so research sez. (But can you trust eggheads? Personally, I see ‘em everyday—in fact there’s one not 15 feet away from me now, meeting with some of his lil’ acolytes—and I know these nerds are fallible, when they can’t even figure out Powerpoint). But seriously, no… if I recall correctly (I admit I may not be, I’m not googling this shit, I’m just pulling it out of my memory–so don’t come back later correcting me on some minor error) the benefit of wine issues from the tannins in it–which come in large part out of the grape skin. At any rate, there are more tannins in red wine than in white–so you may think of white wine in THIS sense as a dilution of red. (This is not in fact what it really is, of course, but I trust you’re following my point here). I don’t know that anyone’s ever said that drinking MORE white wine would be the equivalent of a smaller amount of red… so I believe there’s also certain elements that are not present in white. But again, I could be wrong here.
Bottom line is, the benefits from red wine are present in red in enough quantity to make a difference if you drink a glass or two, two or three times a week or so. Drinking more is not supposed to be a bigger help. But there are not enough of these elements in white wine to benefit as much, if consumed at that level or even at a slightly higher level. And in short, after a while, drinking a LOT of white wine would be counter-productive, as it could cause more ills than benefits, if you see what I mean.
Of course, white wine is lowest in calories of all alcoholic beverages, so there’s a nice plus to that.
But all in all, if you want to help your heart, you drink the red stuff. The white will help a tiny bit, but not enough, maybe, to really make it worthwhile.
102. JayArr - September 24th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Nic(78) Holy cow, dude, get a grip! That is, if you’re still reading this list on this site… if not, well, good riddance.
Wow, I can almost taste the moral majority sweating bloody tears over this one little list.
103. Randall - September 24th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Callie:
Also, what do you find odious about red wines? You say you’ve never found one you like… what’s the problem?
I might hazard a guess that you prefer sweet wine. This is the usual objection people have to reds, as the good ones tend to be dry (though there ARE sweet reds—ports, dessert wines, sherries, etc.) If that’s the case–i.e., if you want sweetness—then my only advice, sadly, is to kick that sweet habit. Go off the soft drinks for a while. Stop putting sugar in your coffee. Force yourself to embrace the bitterness. Then, after a time… try the dry reds again. They really are better than sweet wines. Wine wasn’t really meant to be all sugary. God, I’ve tasted wine that was just a few degrees of thickness away from being JELLY, and it was disgusting to me. It’s like when you first start drinking–beer tastes like shit, and you slaver over rum and cokes and screwdrivers and the like. The thing to do is to grow out of that and accept bitterness–as is the way with all things in life—the secret to life, as a friend of mine puts it, is to embrace the bile. Embrace the bitterness. And actually what you find, in dry red wine, is that it really ends up tasting MUCH better than ANY sweet wine, as you come to realize that it has tastes far more satisfying and subtle then mere sweetness. Really, try it. Experiment. Have fun with it.
My recommendation–do NOT buy a cheap-o red to start out. Which is not to say you should spend big bux—that’s a myth too, that more cost = better wine. It doesn’t, not always. But find a moderately-priced, medium-priced red—one that has quality, and has had a little time to age and mellow. You shouldn’t have to spend, really, more than $25-$30, to get something fairly decent. In fact, you could even spend less, depending on the wine—but that’s less certain. You shouldn’t have to spend MORE, because that’s just overdoing it, and you may end up wasting money. Even $30 for a bottle of wine may sound like a lot, but if it opens up your world a little, it’s worth it.
Find a really good wine store or wine merchant in your area (by the way, my family were wine merchants once, which is also how I know some of this crap) and ask their advice. Go for a good Italian table wine–nothing fancy–but nothing bargain basement either, as I said. Or a good medium-weight wine from California or France. There are some good Chilean, Australian, and New Zealand reds… but safer, at your level, to start out with the old reliables—Italy, France, California. New York wines, sadly (which I know best, being from there) are not known for their reds. We don’t have the climate for them.
Anyway, what you want is a middle-weight or medium-weight red–nothing too heavy… your wine merchant will know what I mean. Merlot is everyone’s favorite, but I tend to go more for the cabernets and shiraz… just me. Don’t try for something super-heavy though—big mistake. A DECENT, good quality chianti could even be good.
REMEMBER too–wine is meant to be drunk with food. This is particularly true of red wine. So ask the wine guy what food to pair your wine with. Some foods overpower wine, others complement it superbly. Keep this in mind.
But just do a tasting to start out with… better yet, if you can, go to a wine tasting somewhere. Some really swanky wine stores will hold them from time to time.
I’d suggest some specific wines, but the trouble is, it’s often about personal taste… and I’ve been drinking dry red wines since I was 12 years old…. so what I like might be a bit much.
Of course… if the sweetness issue isn’t the problem… well, then you’d have to explain. But a lot of my suggestions would still apply.
104. Drelo - September 24th, 2008 at 11:37 am
I really appreciate the sources at the bottom of this excellent list. Well written, and I was glad to see a couple of my own vices listed. Hooray Beer!
105. Drelo - September 24th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Eggs are good, no wait, eggs are bad! No…that’s not right, eggs are good! Just have a dang egg if you want one. Or an ice cream, or a beer, or a joint…
106. Nic - September 24th, 2008 at 11:39 am
I am going to write one more thing to those who beleive all, or those who simple just consider, what the many studies and research are informing us.
I will elaborate a little scenario. We know that the porn industry makes billion of dollars each years. If I preside a Study Research Institute and I am offered 20 million dollars to come up with a study that will NOT condemn the effect of pornography but, will show the positive effects and the pros of watching it, I will most likely accept the deal and do I am asked to do. Money is ruling here, not conscience, but money.
Cigarettes company spend millions of dollars just to come with studies to show that, really, cigarettes isn’t that bad for you. Same with wine. Same with cannabis.
Do you think that those multinationals care about your health?????? Make me laugh! They just want to make a better profit. More money. Your health.. humm nop. Money.. yeah!
Please do not beleive everything anything that studies show and try to convince you with. Anyway, in a couple of months or years, other studies will show the complete opposite of what has been said.
107. JayArr - September 24th, 2008 at 11:52 am
The truth of the matter, with regards to research studies and the like, is that there are many varied results that come of them. Depending on what the researcher ‘wants’ to find (their thesis and/or hypothesis), they can come up with evidence and facts to support their point of view. Too often, people do not do their OWN research sufficiently to determine the full scope of facts surrounding an issue/question that others have researched.
Personal tastes and activities with respect to the items on this particular list, irrespective of research findings, should be tempered by a whole host of factors, including (but not limited to): social mores, personal morals, societal norms, ethics, personal needs, individual freedoms which do not infringe on those freedoms of others…
As has been said a few times by others above, we all need to live a little and enjoy our lives. We spend far too little time on this chunk of space rock as it is, and if we cannot enjoy life a little now and again, why are we even here at all?
108. copperdragon - September 24th, 2008 at 11:59 am
all my favorite food groups - all in one list! (that includes dirt and porn)
and of course, as so many others have noted - MODERATION!!!
water’s healthy - unless you drink so much that you drown internally (this has happened)
protein’s healthy - unless you have cheeseburgers for every meal (watch the movie “supersize me”)
my sister “bubble-wraps” her kids - no dirt, wash hands every 10 seconds, very little sugar - and they run around like banshees all day and she can’t figure out why.
109. yodadiedtrying - September 24th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
One thing that I think is pretty funny is how personally some of the commentors take these lists. It’s a list people, and you act like it’s trying to justify doing these things. If that were the case, then everyone on this site should start cutting babies from their mothers’ wombs, because that was a list 2 days ago. This is merely a way of sharing interesting information with each other, via a community; not a reason for everyone to get up in arms about their personal beliefs. Leave them at home, or the office; and for ten minutes or so just enjoy being able to indulge in something new and interesting, whether or not it’s your personal belief. That’s really living…
110. Mom424 - September 24th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Nic: Just curious which multi-nationals are advocating cannabis. The answer is none. The mega-corps you’re talking about, Phillip Morris, The Bronfmans, aren’t going to be doing positive studies on weed. It threatens their market share. Most especially the Bronfmans. (They own Seagram’s fyi).
111. Major Wood - September 24th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Maybe I should start smoking again; I’d rather have lung cancer than Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s.
112. Sir - September 24th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
interesting to learn that research is being done looking at using nicotine in the treatment of schizophrenia.. The rate of smoking in the general population is 30 percent, and reported rates for people with schizophrenia range between 62 percent and 81 percent. Those that do smoke, in my observation, smoke extremely heavily, and their rates of lung cancer are on par or slightly lower than the general population. I’m curious about the link…
Thanks for another great list!
113. yodadiedtrying - September 24th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
One more for Nic:
Scare Tactics, pal…Every other week something that was healthy before is now a detriment to society…Cell phones cause cancer, and start gasoline fires; apples on Halloween have razor blades in them, the Lord will return in a glorious cloud next week, etc. The bottom line is people will tell you anything as long as you will listen, that’s why studies are done by SCIENTISTS to see if these claims are indeed true. Just use your head, not your bible, not the news. You know what might be surprisingly good for you…free and rational thought.
114. Callie - September 24th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
I don’t think it’s a sweetness issue, as I prefer the dry whites to the sweet and can’t stand any blush wine. I’m not much of a sugary drink drinker, either. I don’t remember the last time I had a soda, and I do one packet of splenda in my travel mug each morning. The sweetest thing I drink is a suger free Red Bull every day.
I suppose its just a taste thing maybe? Or the way I was raised? My mother is a white wine drinker, and in college my wine experience was limited to that which comes out of a box or a screw off top (Boone’s Farm, we hardly knew ye) All the reds I’ve had have been by the glass on recommendations of others, so I’m sure there’s quite a few I’ve never tried. Maybe I just need to drink it more- I think I’m much more comfortable ordering/drinking/knowing white wine so I just get it more.
I’ll move out of my comfort zone
115. smurff - September 24th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Randall have you ever tasted a red wine from S.A. ? Just asking.
It has been a good mud slinging list - we need them now and again to keep the adrenal flowing.
116. Cedestra - September 24th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
42. DamienKarras: ‘And some of these studies are esoteric and off the wall. I’m waiting for some really bizarre crap like: “Recent studies have shown that engaging in homicidal tendencies raises the sperm count in men and reduces anxiety.”’
OMG, if that were true I would *totally* bone Dexter. Nevermind, I’d do it anyway. ::drool::
38. Mom424: ‘Oh and my Grandmother was correct the whole time; maybe she should have changed it around a bit.
“Everyone SHOULD eat a peck of dirt before they die”’
O.O A peck or a speck? That’s a big difference. Pica for the win.
71. Randall: “I confess I’ve had the same self-control problem with some women I’ve known, but then I am, after all, a perv.” We know…
84. Randall: “We just weren’t right for each other, we had too many differences in temperament and personality” REALLY? Wow… Ah, just teasing you.
117. xdarkhorsex - September 24th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Nic:
Hebrews is full of verses saying that there is a time and a place for EVERYTHING and that ANYTHING to an excess is bad. Too much work is bad, too much sleep is bad. As others have said, Moderation is the key here.
Who’s to say that after viewing porn I’m not lusting after my wife? is it a sin to lust after your wife?
Who made cannabis? Was that not God?
Jesus also said that it’s not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out.
118. DK - September 24th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I loved this list! not so much that I’m gonna go out & start smoking (cigarettes OR pot!), but enough that I will have a few bites of ice cream after dinner tonight without feeling guilty!
@ Randall: you are making me excited for red wines again, I’ve been drinking mostly whites the last several months, summer is too hot for reds for me, but with you cheering on about the reds, and the weather cooling down again, I think it’s time to move back to reds…The biggest problem with wine for me, is picking what to drink, which labels to try…Living in Sonoma County, CA there’s just too many options!
119. Spinner - September 24th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I do like a lot of the activities in this list! However, I can’t help thinking that saying smoking and ice cream is good for you because it help you avoid a couple of illnesses, is like saying being killed in a car accident is good because it helps you avoid death by old age.
120. Cedestra - September 24th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Randall: Uh, I like white zinfandel! Does that count?
I actually have no taste for wine.
Offset comment: I’m a brunette.
121. Mom424 - September 24th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
xdarkhorsex; what bible verse are you referring to? I’d like to add it to my arsenal.
122. DK - September 24th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
ooh, pink wine…not really wine at all…
Actually, while most “wine snobs” will automatically turn down their noses at a “blush” or “rosee,” and a lot of them out there are crap, there are winemakers out there working hard to improve the image. I’ve tasted a few pink wines that were really excellent…too bad I don’t remember what they were!
123. Miss Destiny - September 24th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
A childhood saying regarding dirt:
God made dirt, and dirt don’t hurt.
Grammatically incorrect though it is, it’s true! All these parents are babying their children! Their immune systems go so long without being exposed to germs it seems as though when they DO come into contact with something, their body doesn’t know how to fight it! I ran around barefoot, ate stuff off the ground (only if it fell within the Five-Second-Rule), rolled around in grass and sandboxes and God knows what else, and here I am!
Ice cream, chocolate, wine, and porn, all good for me! I don’t have to make excuses for my Saturday nights anymore! =P
124. DK - September 24th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
I totally still follow the 5-second rule! Don’t tell my roommates though, they probably wouldn’t like to know that I dropped a few of those taters on the floor before putting them in the pot!
125. Randall - September 24th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Callie:
Yeah, all I can say is, move out of your comfort zone. You don’t say what reds you’ve tried that you haven’t liked, though. Where were they from? What were they? How old? What price?
Some cheap-o red wines can have a bitter, harsh taste. Okay with some foods, but on their own, not so much.
You DO have to cultivate a liking for red wine. It’s not easy. Takes time.
I could try suggestions for you, but again—it’s all down to personal taste.
Go with my previous comments, though–get to some wine tastings and experiment with it. Sip, mull ‘em over, and have fun with it.
If only one of my ex-girlfriend’s could talk to you… a couple of them were wine experts that put me to shame, seriously. In fact, one time, a few years ago, A___ (withholding her name, of course) and I were out one summer day, putting together a picnic… we ended up in this upscale wine store… and the next thing I know, she’s carrying on this drawn-out conversation with the owner about wines… in FRENCH. Went on for 10 minutes. My French was and is *considerably* inferior to hers… for all I know they could have been discussing auto transmissions. We came away from that encounter the richer (or, financially the poorer) for two bottles of excellent wine, some of the best I ever had. One was an expensive Shiraz, that’s all I remember. The day was more memorable for me than the wine, I confess. She knew her wine though.
126. Randall - September 24th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
smurff:
I’ve absolutely had some South American wines.. I mentioned Chile… I’ve hard Argentinian wines also, I believe. Very good. Can’t think of any off the top of my head to recommend… but I do remember liking the Chilean wines very much.
127. Randall - September 24th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Cedestra:
“71. Randall: “I confess I’ve had the same self-control problem with some women I’ve known, but then I am, after all, a perv.” We know…”
You do? How did it get out?
If only you knew from personal experience… you’d count yourself lucky.
“84. Randall: “We just weren’t right for each other, we had too many differences in temperament and personality” REALLY? Wow… Ah, just teasing you.”
Har har har.
SHE was the one with the bad temper, believe it or not. Not that I don’t have one, but hers…. mingya. She was Italian, you know. Fiery, passionate temper. Great cook though. Good at other things too.
“Uh, I like white zinfandel! Does that count?”
No.
“I actually have no taste for wine.”
Eh. It can be had. For money. Really, you can cultivate it. It’s not that hard. And it can be fun. See my suggestions to Callie.
“Offset comment: I’m a brunette.”
Are you trying to flirt with me? You know my preference for brunettes. (I’ve written distasteful and idiotic lists about them
).
Okay, so send pics.
128. Randall - September 24th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
DK:
Glad I put the thought back in your mind. I agree, too… not as easy to drink reds in summer. But I do it. I just chill ‘em more. That’s okay. And I avoid the real heavy ones in the summer. I stick to the lightweight and medium weight stuff. Cheap table wines too… J. Roget is a good one, I think that’s the name… and Montepulciano… though that’s heavier. But I’ve drank both in summer.
Oh, but you live in Sonoma County huh? And have too much to choose from? Boo hoo hoo.
I envy you. I’m in New York wine country. The reds here suck, for the most part.
Well, when you get a chance, drop some recommendations from out your way. I’ll buy.
129. segue - September 24th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Unfortunately for me, several things on this list are off limits! Wine, beer, cannabis… and I don’t smoke, never did.
One thing about caffeine you failed to mention, probably because it isn’t well known, is that it increases the absorption rate of pain medications.
First thing in the a.m. I take my first dose of Oxy or Morphine with a good latte, and stay in bed until the duo works it’s magic! Later doses don’t need the extra shot, because I already have the med in my bloodstream, but overnight it wears off enough to require that jolt.
lotte, re: Ice Cream & chemicals. It depends on the ice cream. If you buy all-natural ice cream, there are no chemicals. Breyers is one but there are many more. You have to be a label reader and be prepared to either pay a bit more or go without.
130. Randall - September 24th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
DK:
Also, I’ve gotta agree with you on rose (blush) wines. I’m no wine snob. I hate ‘em. My neighbor’s a bit of a wine snob… she irks me. But for the most part she’s just snobbish against sweet wines, which I have to largely agree with her about.
But I love a nice rose with certain foods, and in the summer and such… there’s nothing wrong with going light now and then and not being so all-damn heavy and serious.
131. jfrater - September 24th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Nic: you say wine is bad period. Do you think it was bad of Jesus then when he turned water in to wine at the wedding party when they ran out? Do you not think it may have been symbolic that it was his very first miracle in public?
132. segue - September 24th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Randall, you want to be intimidated over wine?
My older daughter is a certified sommelier. I won’t even serve wine with a meal, unless she’s brought it with her and knows ahead what the meal is.
133. jfrater - September 24th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Bob: I am not talking about lust or sin - pornography (the naked depiction of a human body) as an “evil” thing is a product of the Victorian era.
statue of David
Is that sinful?
134. jfrater - September 24th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Nameless: you are right - I have fixed the error - thanks.
135. jfrater - September 24th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
DamienKarras (39): just wanted to say - I love your nickname
136. Callie - September 24th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Let’s see…I know that the Cabernet Sauvignon and Shiraz I’ve tried have been my favorites, although I did have a bad Shiraz when I tried to order it on my own once. Unfortunately, all have been by the glass in and I don’t recall the names/years. They all priced from $7-$12 a glass.
I hated all variaties of Chianti and Bordeaux I’ve tried, but again can’t recall names or years. They were in the same price range though.
As a p.s. I’m a brunette too, and I think I’m not bad to look at but I’m guessing we would agree on absolutely nothing in life..although maybe you could show me some wine. This seems to be safe for us![]()