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10 Fascinating Meetings in Modern History

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If you work in the corporate world and are attending a meeting you might have easily prepared for it by watching paint dry or grass grow. However there are many meetings in recent history that I would have loved to attend or at least be a fly on the wall starting with this list of ten.

10

Charles Rolls & Frederick Royce

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When Fredrick Henry Royce purchased his first two-cylinder car (a French Decauville) he was very dissatisfied with its performance. He decided to build a car of his own by “taking an existing part and making it better and eventually started successfully building his own two-cylinder, 10-horsepower cars that were known for their silent and vibration-free ride. The automobiles soon caught the attention Charles Stewart Rolls who at the time operated a London dealership for French Panhard automobiles. Eventually a meeting was arranged between Rolls and Royce at the Midland Hotel in Manchester England on May of 1904. During the meeting Rolls was impressed by Royce’s determination and creativity and discussed the possibility of combining their own expertise and dedication with the latest technologies. The two men later agreed to establish an automobile partnership.

Interesting Fact: In 1907 under the supervision of Charles Rolls, the company began to manufacture small aircraft engines. Tragically three years later Rolls was killed when his Wright biplane crashed. He was the first Briton to be killed in an aeronautical accident, and the eleventh internationally. As a symbol of mourning the “RR” logo on the radiator plate was changed from red to black.

9

Dexter King & James Earl Ray

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This awkward meeting took place in 1997 in a Tennessee state prison hospital between Dexter King, son of the late Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and James Earl Ray (the convicted assassin of his father) It was the first between the two men and also marked the first time the King family had publicly backed Ray’s claim of innocence. Dexter King asked James Earl Ray, “Did you kill my father?” Ray answered: “No, I didn’t.” Dexter King responded, “I believe you, and my family believes you.” Ray was taken to the meeting room in a wheelchair, and at times he mumbled and rambled. Dexter King who was 36 at the time sat just three feet away and listened patiently to Ray who at the time was dying of liver disease.

Interesting Fact: Ray told his wife, who thought he was innocent, that he had killed King and threatened to kill her. In discussing the events surrounding King’s death, Ray admitted his guilt with the statement: “Yeah, I killed him. But what if I did; I never got a trial.” Ray died in prison a year later in 1998 at the age of 70.


8

Edgar Allan Poe & Charles Dickens

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These two great writers met in March of 1842 when Charles Dickens visited Philadelphia to lecture and also talk about the importance of international copyright laws. Poe sent him a letter requesting a meeting along with a two-volume collection of his short stories. Dickens responded to his letter and wrote “My Dear Sir, I shall be very glad to see you whenever you will do me the favor to call. I think I am more likely to be in the way between half past eleven and twelve than any other time.” Dickens was just 30 years old and had already published Pickwick Papers, Nicholas Nickleby, and The Old Curiosity Shop. The relatively little-known Edgar Allan Poe was 32 and had published Tamerlane and Other Poems. The two met twice in Dickens’s hotel room. The meetings were impersonal as they discussed contemporary English and American writers. Poe then came to the point and asked Dickens if he could help publish his Tales of the Grotesque and Arabesque in England. Dickens promised to try. Nine months later Dickens wrote Poe admitting failure to get his work published.

Interesting Fact: Six years earlier Poe had married his 13-year old first cousin Virginia Clemm and was living with her and her mother (Poe’s Aunt/ mother in-law) Maria Clemm. Virginia Clemm died of tuberculosis when she was just 24. Because of his wife’s death Poe became despondent and turned to drink to cope. When Dickens returned to America for his second tour, Poe was already dead. Dickens learned that Maria Clemm was ill and living on charity. Dickens visited her, pressed some money into her hand, and later from England contributed $1,000 for her keep.

7

Thomas Stafford & Alexei Leonov

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On July 15th 1975 two men aboard the Soyuz (from the Soviet space program) and three men aboard the last Apollo mission (from the US space program) were launched within seven and a half hours of each other The Astronauts & Cosmonauts were to perform some experiments but the primary purpose of the mission was symbolic and was an attempt to ease the tensions between the two superpowers. On July 17, Stafford and Leonov met and exchanged the first international handshake in space through the open hatch of the Soyuz. The spacecrafts remained linked for 44 hours, long enough for the men to pay visits to each other’s ships,eat together and converse in each other’s languages. The Soviets remained in space for five days, the Americans for nine days.
Interesting Fact: The Americans and Soviets exchanged flags and gifts including tree seeds which were later planted in the two countries.

6

Pope John Paul II & Mehmet Ali A?ca

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In 1981 Mehmet Ali A?ca from Turkey and a known member of the Turkish ultra-nationalist Grey Wolves organization shot and wounded Pope John Paul II. After the assassination attempt the Pope asked people to “pray for my brother (A?ca) whom I have sincerely forgiven.” In 1983, the Pope and A?ca met and spoke privately at a prison in Rome Italy where he was being held. A?ca eventually developed a friendship with the pontiff. The Pope was also in touch with A?ca’s family over the years, meeting his mother in 1987 and his brother a decade later.

Interesting Fact: When Pope John Paul II died in 2005, A?ca’s brother Adnan said that his entire family was grieving and that the Pope had been a great friend to them. Also: A?ca wanted to visit the Pope’s funeral however Turkish authorities rejected his request to leave prison to attend.

5

Richard Nixon & Elvis Presley

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The fact that a famous entertainer would meet the President of the United States is not unusual. What makes this story so fascinating is the events leading up to the meeting. Without an invitation or any previous communication Presley flew to Washington D.C with a couple of his bodyguards to see the President. During the flight Presley wrote Nixon a six-page handwritten letter on American Airlines stationary requesting to meet with him and suggested that he be made a “Federal Agent-at-Large”. Presley arrived at the White House gate on the morning of December 21st 1970 and handed his letter to the guards then waited. Nixon’s aids advised the President to meet with the rock star and scheduled a meeting for that afternoon. During their meeting in the Oval Office Presley said he wanted to be helpful, and restore some respect for the flag which he thought was being lost because of the drug culture and anti American radical groups. At the conclusion of the meeting, Presley told the President how much he supported him, and then in a spontaneous gesture, put his left arm around the President and hugged him.

Interesting Fact: Of all the requests made each year to the National Archives for reproductions of photographs and documents, the one item that is requested more than any (even more than the Bill of Rights or the Constitution) is the photograph of Elvis Presley and Richard M. Nixon shaking hands during this famous meeting. You can read Presley’s Transcript of his 6 page letter here.


4

Henry Stanley & David Livingstone

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Henry Morton Stanley was a British journalist and was well known for his exploration of Africa. The New York Herald hired him as a reporter to find the Scottish missionary and explorer David Livingstone, who was known to be in Africa but had not been heard from for 3 years. In March of 1871 Stanley outfitted an expedition with the best of everything including 200 porters. The 700-mile expedition through the tropical forest was extremely difficult to say the least with many of his carriers deserting and some others dying from tropical diseases. Stanley found Livingstone on November 10, 1871, in Ujiji near Lake Tanganyika in present-day Tanzania, and greeted him with the now famous, “Dr. Livingstone, I presume’.

Interesting Fact: Here are the exact words written by Stanley when he finally met up with Livingstone: “As I advanced slowly toward him I noticed he was pale, looked wearied, had a gray beard, wore a bluish cap with a faded gold braid round it, had on a red-sleeved waistcoat, and a pair of gray tweed trousers. I would have run to him, only I was a coward in the presence of such a mob – would have embraced him, only, he being an Englishman, I did not know how he would receive me. So I did what cowardice and false pride suggested was the best thing – walked deliberately to him, took off my hat, and said: ‘Dr. Livingstone, I presume?’ “Yes”, said he, with a kind smile, lifting his cap slightly.

3

Douglas MacArthur & Emperor Hirohito

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The above picture was taken on September 27, 1945 at the US Embassy in Tokyo just weeks after Japan formally surrendered. According to Mc Arthur’s he was expecting that Hirohito might deny any responsibility to war crimes that were committed by the Japanese but instead he said this: “I come to you, General MacArthur, to offer myself to the judgment of the powers you represent as the one to bear sole responsibility for every political and military decision made and action taken by my people in the conduct of war.” There had been considerable outcry from some of the Allies, notably the Russians and the British, to punish Hirohito for war crimes but American authorities, including MacArthur, decided that it would be easier to stabilize and reform Japan if they let him remain as ruler but not a Shinto deity.

Interesting Fact: Hirohito later became a respected marine biologist and wrote a number of books on the subject. After Hirohito died in 1989 because of his interest in science and in modernizing his country he was reported to have been buried with his microscope and a Mickey Mouse watch.


2

Ulysses Grant & General Robert E. Lee

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In 1865 Robert E. Lee realized there was little choice but to surrender his Army to General Grant. This would be the beginning of the end of the bloodiest conflict in United States history. After communicating through notes, Grant and Lee agreed to meet at the Appomattox Court House in Virginia. When Lee arrived General Grant began the conversation and talked about how they met before while serving in Mexico. The meeting lasted approximately two and one-half hours. Lee asked Grant to commit the terms to paper. Grant then wrote up the terms ending with the sentence ‘officers appointed by me to receive them. After reviewing the terms Lee informed Grant that the Cavalry men and Artillery men in the Confederate Army owned their horses and asked that they keep them. Grant agreed and Lee wrote a letter formally accepting the surrender. General Lee shook hands with General Grant and bowed to the other officers and left the room. Before Lee left, General Grant stepped outside and saluted Lee by raising his hat. Lee then raised his hat respectfully and rode off to break the sad news to his men.

Interesting Fact: When Lee mentioned to Grant that his men had been without rations for several days, Grant arranged for 25,000 rations to be sent to the hungry Confederates.

1

Niels Bohr & Werner Heisenberg

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This fascinating meeting was between good friends who were also two of the greatest physicists of their time. To this day this meeting has created great controversy and speculation as to what was really said and what was really behind the words that were exchanged that day. The meeting has also inspired a play called Copenhagen.

Heisenberg was from Germany and met Niels Bohr in 1922 when he was his physics teacher. Bohr was a well known physicist from Denmark and was half Jewish. Heisenberg immediately made Bohr aware of his talents in class and a productive collaboration and friendship developed between the two men for many years. In 1939, shortly after the discovery of nuclear fission, the German nuclear energy project had begun. Heisenberg became one of the principal scientists leading research and development in the project. The relationship became strained partly because Bohr, with his partially-Jewish heritage, remained in occupied Denmark, while Heisenberg remained in Germany. In 1941, Heisenberg travelled to Copenhagen to meet Bohr. During the now famous meeting it is speculated that Heisenberg revealed the atomic bomb program’s existence to Bohr and the meeting along with their friendship ended abruptly.

Interesting Fact: In February 2002, a letter written by Bohr to Heisenberg in 1957 was discovered but was never sent to Heisenberg. Bohr relates in the letter that Heisenberg, in their 1941 meeting did not express any moral problems with the bomb making project and that Heisenberg had spent the past two years working almost exclusively on it and that he was convinced that the atomic bomb would eventually decide the war. It has also been speculated that Heisenberg had moral qualms and tried to slow down the project. Heisenberg himself attempted to paint this picture after the war. For those who want to learn more about this amazing story can watch a short BBC documentary here.

Contributor: Blogball



  • Maelstrom

    nice list by the way!

  • chandramouli

    Nice topic!!!

    What about Superman and Batman? :-)

  • HellcatHoney

    very interesting. didnt know about most of these. i definitely wouldnt want to meet with anyone that attempted to kill me or a family member…crazy.

  • JossRyan

    What about the meeting between DAVID FROST and RICHARD NIXON???

  • Carrie lynn

    Wow. This is my favorite list so far- and the mention of The King at #5 makes it even better! 2 of my favorites- Elvis and list universe! Perfect way to start the day:-)

  • What about Ozzy Osbourne and President Bush? Maybe an honorable mention next time?

    Very interesting by the by.

  • emmstein

    Alien and Predator! They even had a son..

  • astraya

    Oooh, interesting. Well done, blogball. I’m sure that lots of LU commenters will have sensible additions. I was going to add the Yalta conference, but I’ve just notice that it’s “fascinating” meetings.
    I read once that Rolls and Royce were of vastly different social classes. The meeting of Daimler and Benz must have been right up there, too.

  • sharlu

    wow pretty cool list!

  • flibbertigibbet

    The Elvis/Nixon one always cracks me up. After all, he’s terribly concerned about drug culture ruining America, right? Is he not obviously high? Considering the time period, and especially his behavior, the chances are pretty good. Of course, at the time prescription drug abuse was not really a concept in most American’s minds, just the reality. If your doctor gives it to you, it must be good, right? There was a crazy man in the white house that day… and Elvis was pretty wacky, too.

    (That was a terrible joke. Bedtime, I suppose…)

  • Eve

    Margaret Thatcher and Mikhail Gorbachev-this meeting truly changed modern history.

  • jhoyce07

    elvis??

  • Suskis

    The greatest meeting of mankind happened in Greece in 480 BC, at Thermopylae.
    When Leonidas met Xerxes, refusing to surrender, he stopped the 4million men persian army long enough to let all the greeks reorganize and win the war.
    Wihtout his sacrifice, all greek culture would have disappeared and all todays’western culture as well. We all owe that 300 men what we are now!

  • JapanRules

    what about stalin, churchill, and FDR?

  • Ayanz

    great list!!! Pope John Paul II inspired me to forgive my enemies even though i found it almost impossible to do so……….

  • MT

    Ali and Frazier.

  • Tom

    Reading about Nixon and Elvis reminded me of a meeting between Queen Elizabeth II and President Idi Amin of Uganda. Amin turned up one day at Buckingham Palace unannounced and uninvited and asked to see Her Majesty. Surprisingly, the queen obliged. This was before Amin turned nasty and murdered countless thousands of his fellow countrymen. Perhaps not a significant enough meeting to be included in the list of “fascinating” meetings, but of interest anyway.

  • Spocker

    Reagan and Gorbachev?
    Sadat and Begin?
    Elvis and the Beatles?
    Jesus and Pilate?

  • stevezio

    Clinton and Monica?

  • RandomPrecision

    Frost/Nixon?
    veryy interesting list.

  • STOP IT, Blogball, yer making us all look bad, what with your high quality, well-researched and expertly-written lists. Just kidding, great job. As for the additional suggestions in the comments, a few good ones (Bill & Monica) but seeing as how the criteria is, and I quote, “Fascinating” as well as “Modern,” any meetings involving Jebus or the cast of 300 are off topic. ;)

  • oouchan

    Cool list!

  • jiminut

    A very nice list.. well done :)

    My contribution, Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan sat down for coffee in Greenwich Village (NY) in 1965. Bob was a budding superstar and local legend. Jimi (calling himself Jimmy James at the time) was beginning to make a name for himself locally and living off of his various girlfriends. Jimi had already been a huge fan of Bob’s records, playing them repeatedly to himself and to anyone who visited his apartment. Dylan’s recollection of the meeting is that Jimi was quiet and polite.

    Although Hendrix would later record the definitive version of Dylan’s “All Along the Watchtower”, as well as beautiful renditions of “Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window” and “Like a Rolling Stone”, this early meeting would be the only time the two stars’ lives intersected.

  • STL Mo

    Excellent and fun list! Well done. Lots of fascinating meetings that you might not know/think about.

    One of my favorite meetings happened when Thomas Jefferson was president. In 1803, England’s new foreign minister, the delightfully named Anthony Merry, arrived in the new capitol city and came calling at the Presidential Mansion with all appropriate English pomp and circumstance and wearing full diplomatic regalia.

    Merry, of course, expected the American head of state to receive him with the proper decorum. But for several minutes, Secretary of State Madison was unable to find the president. Finally, Jefferson appeared, wearing slippers and what could only be charitably described as business casual.

    Merry was not amused, and never called on Jefferson again. It wasn’t so much of a tweak of a stuffy Brit by a Francophile than the tossing away of all convention by a pure radical.

  • foohy

    Where does the quote on #10 end?

    “taking an existing part and making it better and eventually…?

    Just curious :) Cool list!

  • rosman

    Great list,

    But you forgot my favorite meeting. One I would have loved to have seen:

    Attila the Hun and Pope Leo the Great. The only man to have been able to stop the monster Attila. I just wonder what the Pontiff said? If I remember correctly, Attila died a day or two later.

  • Englandexpects

    i would have liked to see the yalta and or potsdam conferences.

  • psychosurfer

    Excellent list.
    I don´t know if this fits into “Modern history”, but one of my favorite meetings has to be when Fray Bartolomé de las Casas, or any of the civilized and cultured Spanish priests came to America who met the Aztec priests for the first time, I´m sure that some wise people back there had at least the curiosity to interact and exchange ideas.
    Imagine the clash of Weltanschauungs.

  • psychosurfer

    who=and
    sorry

  • KDRockstar

    I like the forgiveness ones… not that I could do it, but still, after a fantastic day like yesterday, full of hope, they were nice additions to the list. Everyone can do something, right?

  • gio

    Bohr/Heisenberg number one?
    First, no one except hard core physicists even know or care about that story. Second, they already knew each other for years whereas all the other meetings on this list were meets for the first time. Third, the only significant outcome of the meeting was they never spoke to each other again. Why would anyone care about that outside the physics community? Fourth, no one knows what took place at the meeting.
    So how the hell is that the most significant meeting on a list?

    More significant in the realm of physics and meetings that shaped the world as a result would be Einstein and Bohr’s meeting in 1925 which resulted in the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics. Einstein being the father of the new physics of the large scale Universe, Relativity and Bohr a father of the new physics of the small scale Universe, Quantum Mechanics. These two divergent theories are both equally influential in all of our modern technology today. As yet they have yet to be reconciled into a single theoretical model, Quantum Relativity.

  • redhawtharley

    What about William Harley and Arthur Davidson?

  • Sam

    This was a good list. I especially liked the picture of Elvis and Nixon.

    However, the writers of these lists need to proof read them more. At least twice in this list, sentences with quotes, “”, start with a quote, but don’t end with one, so you don’t know where the citation ends. In addition to several run on sentences, these errors mar the excellent work put forth on these lists.

    -Sam

  • Bill

    Great list! Does anyone remember when the Beatles met Elvis? That should of been on the list.

  • Paulb

    interesting fact on #2 Lee and Grant. They went to westpoint together. Grant graduated average in his class, Lee i forget was either first or very close to it.

  • “sam ~ I would like to thank you for your excellent observations re: list anal-ysis. :)

  • jiminut

    Paulb, Lee was top of class at WP. Were they in the same class?

  • jayhawk

    This is a really great list. The information and idea was fantastic.

  • STL Mo

    Lee and Grant were not in the same class:

    Lee — class of 1829, 2nd in class (out of 46 grads)

    Grant – class of 1843, 21st in class (out of 39 grads)

  • TEX

    someone just asked “where’s Dazed and Confused” on the you-know-what list

  • bucslim

    Well TEX that just goes to show that there isn’t a reading test required before fuck-wits buy computers.

    That dork who took the short bus to class and we all used to beat the shit out of after school is getting his revenge. They must have run out of porn sites this morning.

  • sidvish

    Nikola Tesla and Samuel Clemens! such recent genius!

  • CJ

    Amazing list, Blogball. Very impressive. I will be sharing it with all I know, including my 18 year old son (who I may have to sit on to make him read it, but he’ll read it lol).

  • Knew most of these already, but this was beautifully done Blogball! As usual, for you, well researched, well written and interesting.

  • Andrew in Essex

    Interesting list!

    One of the more interesting meetings in British history was Nelson and Wellington who only met once.

    Lennon/McCartney’s meeting is quite interesting; Lennon barely remembered it – he was drunk, although 5 years below the legal drinking age at the time – McCartney recalled it more clearly.

  • askkevin65

    Lee did not actually surrender to Grant in “the” Appomattox Courthouse. He signed the surrender order in the home of Wilmer McLean who lived in the village called “Appomattox Courthouse.”

    At the beginning of Ken Burns’ miniseries “The Civil War”, McLean is mentioned as living in a house on the battlefield of the First Battle of Bull Run. To escape the constant fighting in that area, McLean moved south to Appomattox Courthouse, only to be the site of the end of the war. He noted, “The war started in my front yard and ended in my parlor.”

  • bogusbonus

    What about the meeting between the Flinstones and the Jetsons?

  • anathema_jm

    Thouroughly enjoyed that list, one I thought might have made it was Winston Churchill ,Franklin D Roosevelt and Joseph Stalin, Tehran 1943, to be a fly on the wall indeed.

  • TEX

    I was reading down the list and then I saw what you placed as number one – impressive.
    Excellent list
    I have never heard that story – and I am familiar with both men.
    I’m a big fan of Bohr mainly because he put a bug up Einstein’s ass that poor old Albert never could theorize how to kill.
    Heisenberg’s uncertainty – Schrodinger’s cat – dig it.

  • BishopWhiteT

    Condalisa Rice and KISS

    WTF?

  • TEX

    Gilligan’s Island meets the Globe Trotters
    beat that!

  • TEX

    excuse me – The Harlem Globetrotters

  • Christiane

    24. STL MO

    Ha Ha If only that were to happen today.
    The amount of money that countries spend receiving foreign dignitaries, or sending their own somewhere else, is disgusting.

  • Dan

    Stalin and Lenin?

  • guy

    what about when stalin, churchill roosevelt met at yalta to talk about normandy. that was pretty epic

  • ouiareborg

    In #9, under interesting facts, you write, how James “Said”. Do you have evidence of this? I used be a big fan of this site, but got tired of the hearsay, and opinions being presented as fact.

  • Cedestra

    I can’t believe how many people are putting this list down. I thought it was great! In fact, it’s now one of my top lists (hmmm, a top 10 top 10 list…the mind boggles). Great job, blogball, I loved it.

  • ouiareborg

    CEDESTRA-If you comments again, you will see the usual childish postings seeking attention, and those who have a problem with the actual facts presented. Listverse, often puts up lists that have inaccurate info.

  • ouiareborg

    “If you read the comments again”, obviously.

  • WarningDontReadThis

    This is a very good list Blogball, perhaps the best you’ve written. Keep up the good work!

  • NickChuck

    Blogball ftw!

  • astraya

    Various people mentioned Ali/Frazier and Elvis/The Beatles. A strange one was Ali/The Beatles. Ali was king of the world at that stage and had no idea who these people were.

    (I was just doing some research on that, and couldn’t find much except many framed, signed “collectible” photos for sale. wikianswers states that this meeting took place in 1945, which doesn’t quite seem right to me. Maybe I can’t trust everything I read on the internet after all.)

  • Blogball

    Thanks for the comments everyone! I really appreciate it. I also enjoyed reading the other interesting meetings that were suggested here. I actually was going to include the Churchill , Roosevelt , Stalin meetings (The Tehran conference and The Yalta Conference) but decided to stay away from the big staged political conferences and also keep it to just two people like the rest.

    Ouiareborg, James Earl Ray confessed to the crime after his arrest, so confessing to his wife doesn’t strike me as unusual. Who knows maybe there is something to some of the conspiracy theories out there but the “Interesting fact” was to give you another side to the story that was not presented in the above description. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray

  • Matt123

    Nice list. I would’ve liked to be a fly on the wall for some of these. Thanks.

  • josh116

    Honorable mention for the meeting between Malcolm X and Che Guevara at the Hotel Chelsea in Harlem…I forget what year it happened in, or even why they met, but I have a big picture on my wall with the two of them speaking…

    Like if anyone cares, but I live a few blocks from where the meeting took place…hoooray for me…I love harlem…lol

  • guy

    i do not know if “meetings” can include sports meetings but i think on the world stage i loved the 2003 rugby world cup. the final between england and australia in sydney was awesome and a great game. who doesnt love to see two rugby giants meet for the most wanted trophy in rugby?

    maybe one day USA can hang with these guys in rugby…

  • Muttley

    Suskis #13 Leonidas and Xerxes at Thermopylae? you’ve been watching too many movies. There is no actual record of the two having met at all except through emissaries – it was during that meeting that Leonidas uttered his famous quote; When Xerxes emissary demanded that the Greeks lay down their weapons, Leonidas’ reply was “Come and get them!”.

    As for a 4 million strong army – that’s utter rubbish: top end estimates of Xerxes army puts his forces at somewhere between 80,000 (Ctesias – scholar, historian and physician of 4th & 5th Century BC, Greece) and 2 million (by Herodotus). Though herodotus is known as “The Father of history” – he is also widely accepted as an exaggerator of epic proportions; always seeking to make his histories “grander and more worthy of the Gods”.
    Ctesias numbers can be discounted as he was physician to Artaxerxes; great, great grandson of Xerxes. HErodotus figures can also be discounted due to his habit of over-exaggeration when it came to military strengths (he always sought to exaggerate the size of opposition forces while understating those of the Greeks – it made for a more outstanding victory or a more noble defeat.

    Modern Scholars place tthe forces available to Xerxes at around 200,000 – 500,000: still a pretty sizeable force as opposed to the Greeks. Of that force, it os estimated Xerxes lost between 10 and 20% of his forces at Thermopylae.

    As for the Greeks – the only ones we ever hear about are the 300 Spartans led by Leonidas: this is because they bore the brunt of the attack and formed the vanguard of the defending forces and were slaughtered to a man.
    However, don’t forget that there were also around 700 Thespian and 300 Theban levies who also fought. It is debated by manny scholars that there were also Phocian, Helotian and other Grek levies who made up the defending forces; estimatess actualy place the defending forces at between 1500 (Spartans, Thebans, Thespians and Others) and 5,000-plus (Spartans, Thebans, Thespians, Phocians, Helotians and Others). Of thes tthe Spartans were exterminated as were about 2-6 hundred others (allowing for discrepancies in estimates), tthe rest fled after Ephialtes betrayal.

    BTW – Ephialtes was NOT a deformed Spartan ex-patriot; he waslocal from Thermopylae; possibly a shepherd or goatherd.

  • Muttley

    Just re-read my post – I think my keyboard needs new batteries again; lot of typo’s.

  • Scott

    #65 josh116: are you sure it was a meeting between Malcolm X and Che Guevara. Guevara reportedly met with associots of Malcolm X. Malcom X did meet with Castro in Harlem, is this who is in your photo? If it is Che i would love to see that picture.

  • josh116

    #69 scott Oh wow I was soooo wrong in my post…lol…you’re absolutely right, it’s Malcolm X and Castro at the Hotel Theresa in Harlem on September 19, 1960…I’m not sure why I thought it was Che, or why I got the name of the hotel wrong, given I have the pic on my wall…guess I’ve had it there so long I don’t really even see it anymore…lol…I also don’t know much about why they met, but would love to know more about if anyone has some info…

  • Tommy

    Well done Blogball!!!

    This has got to be one of the best list so far!

    Keep up the good work!

  • Ginger Lee

    I would also add when Bob Dylan met the Beatles, he introduced them to pot.

    I’d also say Nixon and Mao or Kissinger and Mao since Kissinger went to China before Nixon did.

    I agree the Tehran Conference should be on here. That’s where Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin all met for the first time.

    The Romanovs meeting Rasputin is pretty fascinating in what events eventually occurred.

    Hitler and Dietrich Eckhart marked a pretty important part in Hitler’s rise to power.

    When Allen Ginsberg met Neal Cassidy (dramatized in the first chapter of On the Road).

    I can’t think of any others at the moment.

  • frank

    “”Henry Morton Stanley was a British journalist and was well known for his exploration of Africa. “”

    Wrong Fact—> Stanley was unknown as a journalist before he set off to Africa in 1871 for the first time.

    It was THAT meeting with Livingstone made his name

  • Orville

    What about Dr.Bob Smith & Bill Wilson?
    Thanks to their meeting, millions of lives have been changed!

  • bogus

    What about the time when Tommy Pickles met Mirror Tommy Pickles?

  • Foney

    Milli and Vanilli

  • The Grey GOAT

    What about Malcom X and Martin Luther King? Meeting only lasted about a minute yet it was a very significant event in history.

  • XrCiZeR

    what about chuck norris and bruce lee?

  • max

    nixon and the chinese?

  • Canadinadian

    Personally I would have loved to sit in with C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien. They were good friends at Oxford and would often eat and drink together.

  • N/A

    what about when T-bone and razor meet Feral in SWAT Kats

  • c w

    what about peanut butter and jelly?

  • c w

    how bout a list on who we’d like to see get together?

  • les

    How bout Al Gore’s nuts meet my fist?

  • The CA-1 Man

    “If you work in the corporate world and are attending a meeting you might have easily prepared for it by watching paint dry or grass grow. However there are many meetings in recent history that I would have loved to attend or at least be a fly on the wall starting with this list of ten.”

    Who checks the grammar of the introductions? How about:

    “If you’ve ever worked in the corporate world and attended a meeting you might have easily prepared for it by watching paint dry or grass grow. However there are many meetings in recent history that I’d loved to have attended or at least have been a fly on the wall starting with this list of ten.”

    Other than that…a GREAT list! #5 would have been great!

  • C

    great list

  • lo

    blogball- nice list, but you left out the best part of the presley/nixon meeting!

    “He [Elvis] apparently was not searched before being granted admission: Upon meeting Nixon he presented the president with a gift – a World War II-era Colt .45 pistol.

    On December 31, Nixon wrote a thank-you note to Presley for the gift of the pistol and for visiting him at the White House. He said nothing about enlisting Presley’s aid in the war on drugs, however.”

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=52474

    when i’d heard this story before i’d merely thought, “how strange he’d think the president would want or need a gun, he [nixon] could probably get any kind he’d like.” it wasn’t ’till googling it and seeing it phrased as above that i thought “oh, a gun -he could have shot him, had he wanted to!” obvious, i know…..

  • 87. lo: blogball- nice list, but you left out the best part of the presley/nixon meeting!
    ****
    Nixon/Presley meeting is #5 on the list!

  • Pardon me, I misread your post. You are absolutely correct.

  • Andyb123

    Another meeting was the one between H.C Andersen and Dickens. Andersen stayed with the Dickens family, and proved to be incredibly awkward and shy. In the end they just wanted him to leave.

  • pilkington

    johnny cash and miss piggy

  • Cybogen

    Rocky meets/vs. Mr. T This should have made the list!

  • Cybogen

    Denis the Menace meets Mr. Wilson

  • The Grey GOAT

    Tyson meets Holyfield

  • josh116

    @ the grey goat
    Or rather tysons teeth meets holyfields ear…

  • Unnamed turkey meets blades of death behind Sarah Palin during ceremonial Thanksgiving Turkey pardoning.

  • Melina

    No women? Shafted again I suppose…

  • Melina

    #75- Holy crap I watched that when I was like five. Amazing that you remember, and thanks for slapping me in the face with nostalgia.

  • donatello

    pacquiao and dela joya? haha

  • Cybogen

    Bugs Bunny meets Elmer Fudd?

  • yc

    (Hitler meets Stalin.)

  • Anon

    Napoleon Bonaparte and Alexander von Humboldt met just once in Paris, 1804. Both were 35:

    “All that Napoleon could find to say to Humboldt when he was presented at Court was: “So you’re interested in botany? So is my wife.” And with that insult he turned his back and never addressed another word to him. Napoleon was well aware of Humboldt’s (fame and) real achievements … but it seems he regarded Humboldt … as excessively popular …”

    ‘Humboldt and the Cosmos’, Douglas Botting (1973).

    After that the insolent little Gallic bleeder got thrashed and exiled twice, Serves him right …

    Contributed by a botanist whose wife is also interested in botany! Hahaha.

  • Sally Joyce

    Great job, Blogball! I always learn a lot from your lists! :-)

  • hurdy gurdy man

    what about meetings that resulted in total disaster, like scooby doo meets the three stooges, cartoons have yet to recover, or fonzi meets/jumps the shark, a dismal day in prime time history…

  • SLapstiCK

    Ben Franklin and Voltaire met. They were two of the brightest minds of the 18th century.

  • Tom Bass

    This drives me nuts! Grant and Lee did not meet in the Appomattox Courthouse. Check your history. They met in a private home in the town of Appomattox Courthouse. I see this listed incorrectly in so many places, including text books. Hey, the private home still stands in Appomattox, you can go see it for youself. I don’t know if the town of Appomattox Courthouse is now just known as Appomattox, or if Appomattox swallowed up Appomattox Courthouse, but there was no actual Courthouse involved, ever!

  • james

    id like to see a follow up list. this was pretty damn interesting

  • alan

    How about when a bunch of the impressionists hung out with each other in Paris around 1887 … Gauguin, Van Gogh, Toulouse-Lautrec, Pissarro and Seurat. If I remember my art history correctly (probably not), Van Gogh didn’t exactly get along with the other artists.

  • Important meeting

    what about Beavis and Butthead meeting!

  • M

    how about guevara and sartre?

  • mambeaux

    Ibsen & Marx

  • daokta

    a very American/European concentric list but interesting nevertheless.

  • sir jorge

    great stuff

  • axmukher

    What about the meeting of Saddam Hussein with Donald Rumsfeld?

  • wingnet

    I would have loved to been a fly on the wall when mahler met freud!

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  • Jason

    How about when Teddy Roosevelt met Geronimo, when Geronimo had been a prisoner and was in his 80’s. He asked the president if he could go home, but Roosevelt, after thinking for a moment, decided the elderly Geronimo was still too dangerous to return free to the west.

  • Fred R. Wallace

    This would have been a great opportunity for a punchline!

  • Buck van Huvstead

    Nice list,

    for european history the meeting between Bismarck and Napoleon III is a bit like the meeting between Grant and Lee. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/BismarckundNapoleonIII.jpg) Picture

  • Justin

    its not modern, but the meeting between Mozart and Beethoven is definitely one of the most fascinating in history. Surprised it hasnt been mentioned yet.

  • dgmDRAGUNOV

    What about the time in which Mohammed Ali met the Beatles?

  • Ackmed teh idiot

    Nice list!

  • 123

    no comment

  • Sean

    You’ve missed John & John. When John Lennon welcomed Elton John to America.

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  • anomynous

    Macauthur is such a hippocrite. Getting kicked out of the phillipines, avowing hatred against japs only to make friendships with the very emporers who killed hundreds of this soldiers?

  • jc

    Charles Dickens also had the famous Danish writer Hans Christian Andersen as a house-guest for two weeks in 1857. By all accounts he overstayed his welcome: Dickens’ daughter described Andersen as a ‘bony bore who stayed on and on’.

  • Nowhere Man

    Where is the John Lennon and Paul Mc Cartney

  • “german” johnny derpenroff

    Gacy met with Rosalynn Carter

  • KWAME

    great list!!!

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