10 Famous People Who Married Their Cousins
- Published July 20, 2008 - 162 Comments
In some places, marriage to the first cousin is illegal – in others it is advised! Through history there have been many famous people who, for reasons known only to them, have married within the family. This is a list of 10 of the most famous people who have done this.
Jesse James married his first cousin Zerelda “Zee” Mimms, who was named after Jesse’s own mother. They had two children and remained married until Jesse’s death in 1882 at the age of 34.
Although they had met as children, they became reacquainted after a dinner at the White House in 1902 held by Eleanor’s uncle and Franklin’s fifth cousin, President Teddy Roosevelt. FDR was 20 at the time and was attending Harvard. They were married on St. Patrick’s Day, 1905, and had six children.
In 1707 Johann Sebastian Bach married his second cousin on his father’s side, Maria Barbara Bach. She died in 1720. Not much is known about their marriage, but he remarried less than two years after her death.
H.G. Wells first cousin Isabel Mary Wells, who he left after only three years. Wells was an English writer most famous today for the science fiction novels he published between 1895 and 1901: The Time Machine, The Island of Doctor Moreau, The Invisible Man, The War of the Worlds, When the Sleeper Wakes, and The First Men in the Moon.
Thomas Jefferson married his third cousin Martha Wayles Skelton Jefferson in 1772. They had six children together. Martha died on September 6, 1782 and Jefferson never remarried.
Albert married his second cousin Elsa in 1919, not too long after his divorce from his first wife Mileva. Elsa died in 1936 due to various health problems, and though Albert never married again he had several girlfriends until his death in 1955.
All natural selection jokes aside, the man who popularized the theory of evolution married his first cousin Emma Wedgwood. They had a total of ten children. Darwin died in 1882.
At the age of 20 poet Edgar Allen Poe moved in with his aunt, uncle, and cousin after his father left and his mother had died. It was there in Baltimore that he met his seven year old cousin Virginia, who he fell in love with and married when she was only thirteen. She died eighteen years later in 1847, and Poe died only two years after Virginia’s death.
In 1957 famous rock and roll musician Jerry Lee Lewis married his cousin Myra, who was only 13 at the time. He lost an incredible amount of respect and credibility. The marriage almost ended his career and caused him to move from rock to a more country style. They had two children together, and ended up divorced in 1970. [Image: Jerry Lee Lewis and his Wife Myra]
Governor Rudy Giuliani married a woman who he thought to be his third cousin, Regina Peruggi, in 1968. It wasn’t until many years later that they realized that they were actually second cousins. Regina and Rudy divorced in 1982, and Rudy married his second wife Donna Hanover in 1984.
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July 21st, 2008 at 6:13 am
I didn’t know people could still get married to 13yr olds in the ’50s! (In Western countries I mean)
How can you get married to someone who you know is related to you and not realise that they’re your 2nd, not 3rd, cousin? Seems weird to me.
July 21st, 2008 at 6:13 am
Wow, now thats an interesting list. Darwin?! What happened to survival of the fittest!
July 21st, 2008 at 6:14 am
Its legan in Japan
July 21st, 2008 at 6:14 am
legan = legal
=/ sorry
July 21st, 2008 at 6:14 am
hehe – Tempyra: that one shocked me too!
Ruairi: I guess the question is – where are the offspring?
July 21st, 2008 at 6:18 am
Nice list – I didn’t realize so many people married their cousins… But then you look at the list and most of them are, uh… eccentric. So it’s not too much of a shocker.
July 21st, 2008 at 6:19 am
PS. It’s still legal in most states to marry in your early teens – with parental consent.
July 21st, 2008 at 6:19 am
Man I was surprised to see Franklin D. Roosevelt up there but I was shocked when I saw Rudy Giuliani! Wow…just wow. I’m getting blood tests done before I get married! haha
July 21st, 2008 at 6:23 am
Giuliani was a big surprise to me too
July 21st, 2008 at 6:43 am
Einstein had “several girlfriends…” By a mile, that is the biggest understatement ever uttered on Listverse.
July 21st, 2008 at 6:44 am
warrrreagl: I honestly can’t say I see the appeal
July 21st, 2008 at 6:48 am
Wow! Very interesting list!!
Getting married at 13… I can’t imagine!!! Though my ancestors probably would already be married and have at least one child by that age (not with cousins though). haha
July 21st, 2008 at 6:50 am
MAYOR Guliani….not Governor
July 21st, 2008 at 7:12 am
Giuliani was a definate surpise for me.
I’m sorry, Poe fell in love with a girl who was 7! Ew.
Actually, I read an article about how it may not be as “bad” genetically to have children with your cousins as it was thought. Still gross though.
July 21st, 2008 at 7:13 am
It used to be more common when people tried to keep the inheritance of land within the family or where low population density restricted the available pool of potential marriage partners. So the well worn cliche of royalty/nobility and country folk being in-bred is probably based on some reality.
July 21st, 2008 at 7:25 am
This list kinda makes me want to vomit.
July 21st, 2008 at 7:28 am
Tempyra, my parents both have extemely large families and i would be hard pressed to tell you which of my cousins are 2nd or 3rd cousins. My parents would probably have to do a lot of thinking about it too. Giuliani probably should have figured it out before they got married. But its really not that big a deal.
July 21st, 2008 at 7:34 am
Poe is now even more creepy…ugh! Nice list
July 21st, 2008 at 7:38 am
I’d thought that Eleanore was Teddy’s granddaughter. I know that she was among Teddy’s favorite relatives, & she played in the new Oval Office as a girl.
July 21st, 2008 at 7:45 am
AAAAGH! Why is everyone so casual about this?!? This is shockingly and utterly DISGUSTING!!!!!!
WHY WHY WHY did these people do this with their cousins??? What is this, the frickin’ middle ages???
Okay, so the risk of consanguinity birth defects between cousins is rather low, but it’s still sounds pretty incestuous to me. So, for me it’s time for BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARF!!!!!!!
July 21st, 2008 at 7:49 am
wow, weird list. i mean everybody has attractive cousins and all,”kissing cousins”, but marrying them and having multiple kids is crazy. And i dont understand why the parents never stoped the wedding
July 21st, 2008 at 7:57 am
AFAIK, there are no health problems associated with marriage outside of 1st cousins, and most of these aren’t first cousins. Personally, I’d never marry a 1st cousin as I feel they’re too close as family, but a 3rd cousin wouldn’t be a problem, as I’d barely know them anyway.
I really don’t understand where the western taboo of marrying your cousin, regardless of the length of relationship comes from. Perhaps it came from close family marriage (which is wrong, don’t mistake me) and spread to all cousins, but in the east it’s very common to marry your cousins.
July 21st, 2008 at 7:57 am
Most of this happened over a hundred years ago. Back then it was expected that you marry within your own class, and I believe marrying your cousin/second cousin was not out of the ordinary. From what I know, arranged marriages in many cultures involve potential mates who are distant cousins.
In addition, when you live in a town that has not changed much in many years, it is entirely possible that most of the population is related to you somehow. So that’s why I don’t find this “shocking” or “disgusting.”
Also, in Chinese culture it is a strong taboo to marry someone with the same last name as you. However, if you marry someone on your mom’s side (someone who is related to you but not the same lastname) it is acceptable. So that one is a little strange!
July 21st, 2008 at 8:01 am
Wow, I had no idea incest was so shockingly prevalent amongst historical celebrities.
o_O
July 21st, 2008 at 8:09 am
adora bell: I would have thought it’d be quite easy to work out how related someone is to you. Both sides of my family are fairly large but I can say quite easily which of my cousins are 2nd or 3rd ones.
Even if you have a zillion relatives all you need to do is work out who your youngest common ancestor is… this chart explains it better than I would:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin#Chart
I don’t think it makes much difference, genetically, whether you marry a 2nd or 3rd cousin – I’m just surprised the Guilianis didn’t work it out correctly before getting hitched.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:10 am
jfrater, Other composers who married their cousins were Sergei Rachmaninov & Edvard Grieg.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:38 am
Why do I feel like I’ve read this list before?
July 21st, 2008 at 8:41 am
Uhhh….the Queen? How about a great deal of the royal family?
July 21st, 2008 at 8:42 am
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/10315/1/
Not quite the same one though
July 21st, 2008 at 8:48 am
Poe… wow. I always knew he was messed up but… wow.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:51 am
Tempyra (#1)
At the risk of perpetuating Southern stereotypes, I am from Tennessee and I know first hand that this practice was still quite common at that time. Several of my great aunts were married in the 1950s were 14 at the time.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:56 am
Tempyra, thanks for the link. I too was a little surprised that they didn’t work it out right in the first place. But I’m extremely lazy and probably wouldn’t have worked it out beyond what my parents/grandparents told me.
I also really don’t understand why most people are completely squicked out by the whole marrying cousins thing. The only two people where it seems gross are Jerry Lewis and Poe cause umm marrying 13 year olds just doesn’t really fly with me whether you’re related or not.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:56 am
Actually, this brings up a rather interesting set of postulates:
1 – In closed societies, ( small tribal groups with limited or no outside contact; nomadic tribes where choice is not always possible; Ultra-Orthodox Jews, whose laws must be followed, including as to whom one may wed) where the choices are limited, there do not seem to be many (though there are some) problems with marrying even within the immediate family.
2 – Procreation is a built-in genetic demand. If you can’t find a partner further afield than a cousin, that genetic demand takes over.
3 – Love is a funny old duck. You can’t choose with whom you’ll fall in love ( #1 aside, which has little to do with love and everything to do with availability). It’s no more disgusting to fall in love with a cousin, than is to fall in love with someone whose eye color is the same as yours…that being said, I can completely understand the reaction if you come from a close-knit family, and the cousins are practically like brothers and sisters. Yes, *that* would creep me out.
July 21st, 2008 at 9:06 am
Edvard Grieg famous composer, In the Hall of the Mountain King, Morning Mood, married his first cousin. I don’t think it counts if you’re 5th cousins.
July 21st, 2008 at 9:12 am
well, this list was…..informative….
July 21st, 2008 at 9:15 am
My grandmother died years ago and my grandfather remarried a longtime family friend whose husband had passed away as well.
This woman is hellbent on her grandson and I getting together. He’s my age and we actually have some mutual friends because we went to the same college, but its just creepy to me. I know we aren’t related in any context but seriously…if you meet for the first time at a family dinner, dating should be automatically off limits. Someone needs to tell my stepgrandmother that.
July 21st, 2008 at 9:21 am
I can’t believe no one has made an Arrested Development joke yet…
July 21st, 2008 at 9:24 am
One thing that you should make clear is that marrying your third cousin is like marrying a stranger; the blood at that point is very far removed. Second cousins is cutting it a bit close…and should not be done. First cousins…well…it’s wrong. eww..
I didn’t know about Guiliani though. Weird.
July 21st, 2008 at 9:31 am
stugy (#38)
(Spoilers)
My favorite Arrested Development moment ever is when George Michael and Maeby kiss and Maeby says “See we didn’t fall into hell!”
Then the floor collapses.
July 21st, 2008 at 9:50 am
kowzilla: that’s so funny that you mention that, it’s one of my favorite episodes and I actually watched it 2 nights ago
July 21st, 2008 at 9:57 am
Nice one, Poe.
July 21st, 2008 at 9:57 am
It some places in America, it’s legal to marry your counsin IF… you can prove that you and your cousin can’t have children, usually medically or surgically.
July 21st, 2008 at 10:15 am
i could have sworn u already had a list like this
July 21st, 2008 at 10:45 am
When it gets into 4th cousins, I can’t help but feel that it’s not that bad. First cousin, kind of creepy. As for Poe, holy shit! That’s frightening! Fell in love with his 7 year old cousin? How were the uncle and aunt okay with that?
July 21st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Not having any first cousins, and not knowing any of my further away ones, I can’t see the subject of this list being a problem for me
July 21st, 2008 at 11:51 am
There is something really weird to be about the idea of marrying the child of my parent’s brother or sister. That is just too close to my parents. Bleh.
By many accounts, Poe adored his wife/cousin. Which at least implies that he loved her for her, not because he was a pedophile and loved children. He pretty much lost the plot after her death, descending even farther into alcoholism. (i say farther because he was already a drinker, partially due to her illness). I always thought he had an interesting life, very unusual man.
This is a great list, the kind I come to listverse for. Something unusual and a bit weird for us to learn
July 21st, 2008 at 11:52 am
just to clarify, when I said him loving her seemed to imply that he wasn’t into children, I meant the fact that he still loved her when she was an adult seemed to imply that.
July 21st, 2008 at 12:01 pm
I found this list to be interesting. Some I had never heard of and some were old news.
There is a bizarre relationships list that had some incestuous ones on it. Maybe that is the list you all are thinking of when you say you thought oyu saw this already here. I can not find the link to it due to the site having problems right now tho.
July 21st, 2008 at 1:21 pm
I know a man who had a baby with his fiancee, the baby was born with some sort of defect and had to have his legs cut off. Come to find out, the two were related! Cant remember how they were related but it explained the birth defect. Crazy…and creepy.
July 21st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Jerry Lee Lewis got married to his 13 year old cousin in Europe.
July 21st, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Darwin never said the phrase “Survival of the fittest” It was coined by Herbert Spencer a advocate of Social Darwinism.
July 21st, 2008 at 2:43 pm
So, “Barbara Bach” was married to Johann? I guess this was before she took up with Ringo Starr. She must have a thing for musicians.
July 21st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Interesting and informative. The reactions as well…
The word ‘incest’ has be put into play here (#20, 24, 48)… I’m quite surprised that the religious crew hasn’t added their voice.
DanielleR, Thank you for an interesting read.
ps. I wouldn’t marry my cousin, but that’s only because we’ve met
July 21st, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Oh, and there is a slight error in description #1 – Giuliani was a Mayor not Governor.
July 21st, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I’m surprised with this list not because these people were married to their cousins up until the fifties, but with the fact that most of these people are actually people I recognize almost instantly. Other than that, it semi-creeps me out.
July 21st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
This is a list alright, I’m surprised by Rudy Guiliani the most, that is truly a horror story.
July 21st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Another composer: Igor Stravinsky.
I think this list should have stuck to first cousins – beyond that the genetic factor gets considerable less.
I have exactly 2 cousins (my mother was an only child and my father had one surviving brother), older, living in different states of Australia and married by the time I met them. I had more to do with my mother’s cousins (younger than her, possibly closer in age to us).
Within most national groups, there is a variety of relatedness. It would be unusual to meet someone in your national group who wasn’t related to you in some way. It was discovered last year that Dick Cheney and Barack Obama were distantly related. In WWI, the king of England, the Emperor of Germany and the tsar of Russia were either first cousins or once removed.
Very few societies regard cousins as incest. In case the religious crew shows up, I’ll mention that the bible doesn’t regard cousins as incest.
July 21st, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I’m not entirely grossed out by this. Back in the day, due to travel and social constraints, your choices for a mate were much more limited. (As mentioned by Segue #33) To me, it matters much more how you were raised than the actual blood relationship. At least when you get further away than 1st cousins, and sometimes even that close. If you were all raised together, like close families often are, then it is creepy and sort of sickening. When you meet later in life, well sometimes shit just happens.
A few cross the line though eh? JLL and his 13 year old cousin. That is creepy any way you look at it.
July 21st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
I have over 50 first cousins. I’m Irish: end of explanation.
I suppose the diaspora counteracts this, but presumably a large chunk of the population of Ireland will be my third or fourth cousins…
July 21st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
These are some of my favorite people! I’ll never look at them the same way again o_O
And I was surprised to see Giuliani on the list…
July 21st, 2008 at 6:08 pm
this is a um, interesting list. did anyone else see the movie about jerry lee lewis? it was odd.
July 21st, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I live in the south, and I know someone who allowed her 14 year old daughter to marry a 28 year old man, that to me was just sick. It’s like legalized pedophilia, in my opinion. Anyway, I know some of my past generation relations married cousins, but there is no way I would even consider such a thing unless they were so distant I had no clue, because I imagine a lot of people are distantly related and don’t even realize it. But, first or second, I mean I grew up with most of my cousins around me, my family is huge and that would be like marrying my brother, ewwwwww!!!!!! Especially when your family is tight knit, as mine is. It just seems like in this day and age, it should be very easy to find such things out, even if you didn’t know. I guess everyone doesn’t do a background check though. lol
July 21st, 2008 at 7:01 pm
My Dad is a big Genealogy geek. Through research, he’s found numerous accounts of our ancestors marrying cousins (we also had some ancestors convicted of bestiality, but that’s another subject *snickers*) I was home recently and he explained to me how it happens, because most of the time, its not intentional. Mom and Dad have kids. Lots of them. Up to about 20 or so in some cases.Many of them die, that’s why the high numbers. So figure its one kid a year. Kid number 1 decides she wants to move out with her new husband while he gets a farm of his own. So she moves out and the family finds farmland about 80 miles away. With no cars back then, once you moved that far away, you never saw your family again pretty much. She’s moved out, has a family of her own, and her own little bundle of joy is on the way. Meanwhile, Mom is about to pop kid #20 out. Well Kid #1’s baby (we’ll call her Joy), and Kid #20 are the same age. Kid #20 is a young man now and wants his own land. So he moves 80 miles away. He meets Joy. They’re the same age, they fall in love. So they get married. Joy doesn’t know her mother’s maiden name. Or if she does, it’ll be something very common like Smith and no one thinks twice about it. Voila! Joy just married her uncle! And they don’t even realize it. Sometimes they do find out later on in life, but usually they don’t. It was very easy to marry relatives back then, and not uncommon. Most of the time it wasn’t intentional though. And yes, on my Dad’s side, we’re from the south. Quit plucking your banjos at me. So it doesn’t surprise me now when i hear about someone famous marrying a blood relative. Since my Dad’s family is from the south, and I’m now living in the south, I’m really glad my fiance is British. My Dad’s got so many cousins, that I’d be afraid to marry anyone from around here. At least if he and I are related, it’ll be so many times removed, we can’t even trace it.
July 21st, 2008 at 7:53 pm
what about non-consanguineous first cousins? as in say… my step-father’s niece. would it be stigma inducingly taboo for us to date?
July 21st, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Nelia (46) Poe had a rep for being a drunk. He wasn’t. He had an allergy to alcohol, and even 2 glasses of wine would knock him over. Very similar to the Native Americans.
As for drugs…well I think he likely dabbled with several.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Marriage between first cousins is legal in most countries – except USA.
According to an acquaintance who heads a sexual abuse offenders program – many estranged families experience incestual thoughts or behaviours. So parents who meet adult children, or siblings who have been separated at birth do experience strong emotional feelings that can become sexual. Normal incest taboo feelings (the yuck factor) are weak when you have not been raised together. There may be some genetic basis in liking and attraction (pheromones possibly one), and close relations are likely to have similar backgrounds, interests and shared feelings of incompleteness. These people are featured in TV programs that often ask whether such consensual adult relationships should be punished by imprisonment. The risk to children from such a union is real but other parents have children in the knowledge that known genetic disorders are likely to affect their children.
July 21st, 2008 at 9:12 pm
There is an Air of Tasmania about this list, the family that sleeps together stay together, i wish my family was so close *sniff, sniff*
July 21st, 2008 at 9:12 pm
I used to work with a woman who was adopted. She had an adopted brother and even though they weren’t related, they were raised as siblings from early childhood and they are now dating, have been for years. Even though there’s no blood between them, it always creeped me out. I just couldn’t imagine.
July 21st, 2008 at 11:03 pm
I grew up in a loveless home. Always wanted someone to love me. Had sex with any one and everyone who said they loved me. I am sad for me. I’m still like that.
HexenBexen (68) I always wanted to be like the Brady Bunch. The under-production. Lots of weird relationships, and real world sex.
I want some one to love me. And I think no one will unless I fuck them first. How sad is that.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:06 am
Wow, I’m surprised that I recognised most of the names but even though reading who they married doesn’t change the fact they’re geniuses in their own right. I always believe that us as outsiders have no right to dictate on who should marry who in society. To me marrying cousins is no big deal because it’s fairly common in the east. Maybe you should create a list of famous incest relationships? that will be interesting
Thanks for putting this up!
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:36 am
wiki has a long list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coupled_cousins, which includes many of these people.
Someone mentioned Queen Elizabeth. She and Phillip are second cousins once removed on one side and third cousins on another, which shows how complex the family tree of the royal houses of Europe is.
I have just seen on that list that Victoria and Albert were first cousins.
I don’t think anyone has mentioned William III and Mary II, who were co-monarchs, cousins and husband-and-wife.
I remember when Prince William turned 21, a magazine suggested a number of potential wives. Most of them were related to him in some way, including Princess Beatrice. He seems to have gone to the other extreme and chosen a “commoner”.
July 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 am
Black Missile – that is a comment too sad to let pass!
I suppose that spontaneous personal disclosure to a stranger is somewhat therapeutic (ar la bartenders and hairdressers), but you are insightful and intelligent enough to know you need more!
As two well known TV philosophers often say: “When you knew better, you did better”, and “How’s that working for ya?”
Now you have broken the spell by stating the unmentionable, you can no longer in consciousness believe that. Only behaviour follows.
Feel free to PM me on the forums if you need to.
July 22nd, 2008 at 5:21 am
Lots of Americans on this list….
July 22nd, 2008 at 5:43 am
#14, Green said: “Actually, I read an article about how it may not be as “bad” genetically to have children with your cousins as it was thought. Still gross though.”
A single instance is usually pretty safe, in terms of probability. It’s when people start doing it for generations at a time that the nastiness starts to show.
That and beyond first cousin it’s all a matter of how well you know the person, as it’s more a question of a social taboo than genetic risk.
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:12 am
H.G. Wells first cousin Isabel Mary Wells, who he left after only three years.
Definitely not a complete sentence.
July 22nd, 2008 at 8:16 am
The reason that marrying cousins has become taboo in the western world is that amoung close relations (primarily direct lineage, although first cousins can also produce a similar outcome) it is easier for recessive traits to pass on and become dominate. The reason that hemophilia became so prevelant within the offspring of Queen Victoria was because of inbreeding, causing the phenotype of two recessive genes to occur more often. Within small closed groups, provided there isn’t a defectual gene hiding in there somewhere, there really is no risk for inbreeding. However, if a mutation does take place, it will eventually show up in subsequent generations. I found it fascinating when I worked at an animal rescue center where we breed our own rats, that albinism became a dominant trait amoung the rats because although albinism is rare and recessive, with the inbreeding, the occurance for it was greatly increased and it was probably 8 or 9 out of every 10 rats was born with it.
July 22nd, 2008 at 8:24 am
My first post on this subject was dashed off in a matter of less than five minutes, while I was in the middle of getting ready to leave for a doctor appointment. Now, after having some time to think, do some research, and consult, I offer the following…the same as my original, just fleshed out.
MARRYING COUSINS
Why all the moral shock? Virtually all life on isolated islands initiates with the casual arrival of a tiny founder group or even one pregnant female. Clearly the hierarchy is from then on closely inter-related, as there is no alternative but to interbreed with siblings or to die out. With time and growing population, the inbreeding becomes ever more diffuse. The problem with in-breeding is that it allows disadvantageous, dangerous or even lethal dormant ‘recessive’ genes to emerge in the population, which are usually safely diluted by numbers. Provided the early progeny are not eliminated by these ‘negative’ genes, they will continue to form a healthy and varied population, although never with as much genetical variation and potential as large, long-established populations with widespread outbreeding. (For those in the know, this is deliberately avoiding consideration of one occasional deleterious development known as ‘the founder effect’.) Island life that has started off in this fashion includes the many pioneer human groups which broke contact with their origins; the melanesians, for example.
Still not convinced? Then think on this. If you are a Darwinian you are sure we started from a tiny group in Southern Africa. In fact, this is sometimes represented by our ‘collective grandmother’. How do you suppose we got to the 5-6 billion we are at today? Our only widespread serious recessive gene defects are those that we allow due to our civilised humanitarian cultural evolution, Down’s Syndrome, and the like. Others, such as male red-colour blindess, bring disadvantages which can even rarely be lethal, but otherwise scarcely affect our vital daily lives.
“Ugh”, cry the religious fundamentalists, “Disgusting Darwinists, and just look at disgusting Darwin himself above.” (For those who inquired about descendants, it just so happens that Richard Keynes, an academic professor and great-grandson of Darwin, has written an excellent biography of his great forbear, ‘Fossils, Finches and Fuegians’.) The answer to you lot is staggeringly simple: two proper nouns and a conjunction: Adam and Eve! -
July 22nd, 2008 at 8:51 am
Of course every single royal family is ommited there.
Nice list, I didn’t knew most of them
July 22nd, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Does anybody remember the case of the fertility doctor, I think in California, who substituted his sperm for the sperm he was supposed to use for his patients? I seem to recall that there were hundreds of children born in the area who are related through the doctor and don’t know it.
July 22nd, 2008 at 5:52 pm
it’s strange. I think i have probably heard of most of these, but I most likely wouldn’t remember at a drop of the hat.. and this is an interesting reminder. interesting in how distinctly different each of these folks are from one another…aside from the small incest thingy.
July 22nd, 2008 at 8:11 pm
I know a lot of people get disgusted to see someone marrying their cousin, it is pretty common in India. Infact, the place i live & in my home town, it is not surprising to see (1) cousins marry (2) uncle marrying neice if their age gap isn’t too high
The logic followed here is that all families have patron saints to whom they draw ancestry. It is taboo to marry someone whose patron saint matches yours as you believe they are your brothers & sisters. When a girl marries, she leaves the house of her patron saint & is recognized to belong to the patron saint of her husband.
If you are male, daughter of your father’s sister and daughter of your mother’s brother define “cousins”. However you cannot marry the daughter of your father’s brother or your mother’s sister because they are considered your sister.
I know this might sound very wierd but this practice has been in India for long. It is slowly being replaced by people choosing their life partners.
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:06 pm
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July 22nd, 2008 at 9:15 pm
cool to get the feature!
I thought it wasn’t going to be featured haha it submitted this like months ago
July 22nd, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Disgusting? I’ll tell you what’s disgusting. Incest is disgusting, sure. But people who think that marrying a cousing is incest is even more disgusting.
Your first cousin is not your sister or brother. As long as they have a different mother and father, they are NOT your brothers or sisters.
I wish we could retrace where this idea came from. We need to do away with this notion. Marrying a first cousin should not be unacceptable, it seems to have no basis. Your cousins are not your biological brothers and sisters. How else could we have populated the earth, think about it, doesn’t matter if you’re darwinian or religious, there’s no logic.
@Kalyan: I do however draw the line at uncles and nieces!! That is gross!
July 22nd, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Tomo – Marrying a cousin that IS blood related has its bad side, its called BIRTH DEFORMATIES.
Say, your mothers sister(your aunt) has a daughter, and you go fuck her and she gets pregnant, that child will end up with a 60% chance of having i minor disability/deformaty and a 48% chance of having a major disability/deformaty.
is it really worth fucking some innocent childs life up for a quick romp in the hey.
but, that being said, different cultures have different reasons, whether religous or other.
July 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 pm
This kind of list makes you realize what an interesting thing genetics is. My twin sister and I always like to point out to people that any children we have will be (genetically at least) half siblings. And if we were to marry identical male twins, the children from that union would genetically be full siblings.
July 22nd, 2008 at 11:34 pm
nellerbear – wow! thats some deep thinking, but i do see the logic in it. Good Point.
July 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 am
My girlfriend when I was about 7 was my cousin.
July 23rd, 2008 at 12:30 am
And now she isn’t?
July 23rd, 2008 at 4:37 am
what the problem no problem at all we must marry whit our cousins big deal
July 23rd, 2008 at 9:06 am
The comment about the adopted siblings dating is freaky. I agree that that’s wrong even if there is no blood relation. I’m adopted and the thought of just kissing my brother romantically is gross to the nth degree! I did have a crush on my first cousin when I was nine, but to be fair, that was the first time I met him and he was just a cool, older kid that let me play his nintendo. Ah, true love!
July 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
A bit short, but I liked the list
good job.
July 23rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
this list is why i am happy you have to do blood tests before you get married. at least in oklahoma…
i was surprised to see poe at #3. after all his creepiness out creeps the list in terms of cousin relations… *shudder*
but anyways, i remember a story online about twins, a brother and a sister who were separated at birth then met up again later in life. they had NO idea who the other one was, got married, bumped uglies, and then found out they were twins.
imagine *that* nightmare. bring in freud, he’d shit himself…
July 23rd, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I still find Queen Nefertiti marrying her brother grosser.
July 23rd, 2008 at 2:19 pm
isn’t everyone related to everyone else in one way or another? so where do you draw the line between BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARF!!!!!!! (lol Kreachure, that made me laugh) and normal relations?
is marrying an 8th cousin just as wrong as marrying a 2nd? (provided you could trace you lineage that far;)
July 23rd, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Wow. Giuliani?! I live in ny…how did i not know that?? Of course i did just learn how to spell his name correctly so…
July 23rd, 2008 at 8:53 pm
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95. dirtyrockerbarbie
isn’t everyone related to everyone else in one way or another? …
is marrying an 8th cousin just as wrong as marrying a 2nd? (provided you could trace you lineage that far;)
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dirtyrockerbarbie, I’ve addressed all of that in my posts:
#33. segue
#77. segue
In fact, just read #77, which is an expansion and farther explanation of #33 (which I didn’t have time to fully explain).
July 23rd, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Segue – BINGO
July 23rd, 2008 at 9:17 pm
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#98. CRSN
Segue – BINGO
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July 23rd, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Something appears to be wrong with my ability to post a short reply. Therefore, I will lengthen it to say, CRSN, thank you!
July 23rd, 2008 at 9:28 pm
what what what??? i noticed that you posted but nothing came up, whats going on?
July 24th, 2008 at 1:09 am
Ponder this, or would this be acceptable:
My grandmother had a half-uncle who was her age. His mom was her grandfathers second wife. The (only) genetic connection was that his father was her grandfather. If they had become romantically involved, would it have been acceptable?
July 24th, 2008 at 1:35 am
Stepping into the realm of fiction, I was browsing through “The Importance of Being Earnest” today. Lady Bracknell is Algernon’s aunt and Gwendoline is his cousin. Jack turns out to be Algernon’s long-lost brother, so he also is Gwendoline’s cousin. I didn’t browse through to the end of the play, and I can’t remember if that is mentioned.
July 24th, 2008 at 6:37 am
I think I’ve just been talking to myself and CRSN. Has *no* one else even bothered to read either #77 or#33?
Apparently not, because the questions, Is this okay?, is that okay?, keep getting asked. There are some real answers in those posts…just go to #77, which is a fleshed out version of #33.
July 24th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Say, your mothers sister(your aunt) has a daughter, and you go fuck her and she gets pregnant, that child will end up with a 60% chance of having i minor disability/deformaty and a 48% chance of having a major disability/deformaty.
CRSN – where did you get these statistics from?
There is very little chance of the children of first cousins having a birth defect, though it is obviously higher than for those children that are not the children of first cousins. By “very little”, I mean that there is a better than 95% chance of such children being absolutely normal (compared to approx. 98% in the case of non-blood relations).
July 24th, 2008 at 8:28 am
And if we were to marry identical male twins, the children from that union would genetically be full siblings.
nellerbear – an interesting concept, but ,strictly speaking, I am not sure that this is the case. DNA in identical twins is, as you would expect, identical; but other characteristics (including fingerprints etc.) are not, as they are determined by phenotype.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:44 am
segue: yup, you hit it before i did. you just elaborated
i’m big into ancestry and managed to attain one of those dna tests (saliva swab) that could put you back to a specific genetic group orininating from africa. it was really quite intriguing to see how far back they could place it. it also showed how different tribes spread out to different continents and multiplied even though they came from such minute tribes in a centralized location.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:10 am
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107. dirtyrockerbarbie…managed to attain one of those dna tests (saliva swab) that could put you back to a specific genetic group orininating from africa…
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Now *that’s* amazing!
I had no idea they could get so specific, but the wonders of science just never seem to stop.
The best I have is a geneology, on my father’s side, back to 1752, all of which is in America. Prior to that, with an already well established family group, there is no reliable info.
On my mum’s side, all we know is that the family originated in Ireland, counties Cork and Cook, and went to Australia as guests of the British.
Sum total of my family knowledge…and you can trace yours back to a small tribe in Africa!
I’m jealous!
Really!
That is a marvelous piece of knowledge, barb’s. Pass that on to any kidlets with pride.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:32 am
segue:
well we don’t actually know specific people but wouldn’t that be incredible if we did? to trace it back to that *one* person eons ago? it shows the general route presumed they took leaving africa and where it is presumed their decendants are now based on cumulative dna in centralized locales all over the world.
in my genealogy search, i found that i am actually descended from king donald II of scotland. now THAT was pretty interesting. and they’re genuine recorded documents. i know that everyone, in one way or another is related to someone sometime who was royal, but i get to use it as a pretty effective trump card. you can’t contradict me — i’m a princess!!!
that’s amazing that you have your family back to 1752 — most people don’t even have that! i find it all amazing, to see where people’s ancestors have been and where we are now.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
NO FREAKING WAY THAT ALBERT [I mean freaking ALBERT EINSTEIN!] MADE IT WITH ONE OF HIS FEMALE CUSIONS!
That is just gross. You know what? I should use this information to rub it on my science teacher’s face! Who’s your hero now?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
The scary thing is that 6 of the 10 are Americans…
July 25th, 2008 at 5:45 am
Scientists marry their cousins because every girl they make the move on rejects them because they’re too geeky and smart.
July 25th, 2008 at 5:46 am
And Shami, go for it. Rub it in your teacher’s face. (did Mr. Einstein really do incest?)
July 26th, 2008 at 12:35 am
This 1st, 2nd, 3rd cousin crap gets me confused lol
July 26th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
why would you marry your cousin?!?!
July 27th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Marriage between cousins is pretty standard in Muslim countries. Keeps the money within the family. Never mind inbreeding.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
oh.. so i just couldnt marry my cousin.. mostlu because they are all chicks as am i…. and my second cousins.. yeah no thanks… ill stick with my noregiean hubby… i know that there is no way im relater to him at all… unless it is very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very distant…
July 29th, 2008 at 4:14 am
If I wanted to marry a cousin it would have to be in California. All my cousins are guys, as am I. Although I’m not gay, we sometimes wonder about cousin Jeffrey.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
This is a unique list for me and I am surprised viewing it. I am not sure but this list may put some impact on my parents when I will try to convince them for my marriage with my first cousin.
September 1st, 2008 at 6:51 pm
This is really interesting to me seeing how i have a really large family and dont know who most of my 1st cousins (mainly on my moms side) are, and since thier both from the same small town im related to almost evryone.
I do see 1st cousins getting together as gross because of how close they are and so forth when the family is close-knit. A couple years ago i met my uncle (we’ll call him D) for the first time on my moms dads side then recently i started talking to his younger brother (we’ll call C) who im not related to in anyway and the only link we have together is my uncle. To most people in my family look as me talking to C as wrong cuz hes my uncle eventhough he really isnt itleast geneticly(sp?) n well i cant help if C like me but is wrong for me to talk and be with him? Now most recently i strated talking to this other boy, we’ll call R, and he just happens to be 2 of my aunts and an uncle (on my moms dads side….my grandad was/is a hoe so i gotta lot of aunts n uncles frm him by other women)cousin, he so would it be wrong to talk to/be with him too when were not genticly related ethir cuz other who dont kno i tlak to him would say that i cant becuz hes my cousin?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:37 am
@kalyan
What u have mentioned happens ONLY in south india.In north India marriage between cousins(1st,2nd,3rd,4th) is frownded upon.And marriages between uncles and niece is unthinkable !!!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Wow…this wouild shock eveyone who read this. Incest, I couldnt do it myself the bible is against it. America prides itself on its rich christian heritage and present beleifs yet one of its founding members broke a huge rule in the bible, how bizzare!!
October 8th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
It depends on the closeness of the “cousin”. If it isn’t a first cousin, it really doesn’t count. By the time you get to third cousins, or fifth cousins, it’s like marrying the guy from down the street, it’s *that* far removed.
Seriously.
October 11th, 2008 at 11:17 am
I would marry my half-uncle. My grandmother remarried after having my father and my aunt, so my half-uncle is only three years older than me. We first met when I was six and he was nine, but had a five year gap in seeing each other. I saw him again when I was thirteen and he was sixteen. We didn’t grow up together, but we clicked when we were together. He’s always known what I’ve been thinking and always known exactly how to make me feel better.
Scientifically, this kind of thing would be explained by pheromone attraction. We’re attracted to people who are similar to us but just a little bit different. A half-uncle would have most of the same pheromones as you, but just a little bit different and thus perfect to strengthen the genetic stock.
October 13th, 2008 at 10:55 am
A few years back my then 72 year old friend told me of reuniting with the cousin she had fallen in love with 55 years earlier…the cousin told his dad he wanted to marry her, and he was told it was a sin, and to put those thoughts from his mind. He disappeared from her life.
All those years later, he contacted her. They had each been married in the intervening years, had kids, partners now dead…and they were still in love. The last 3 years of her life were her happiest.
October 25th, 2008 at 11:03 am
My grandmother’s 3rd cousin is Robert E. Lee!!!!!
November 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
if ever it were to happen to u it would not be digusting, given the context in which it occur, u c my 2nd cousin and i fell in love at a family gathering
facts: we live in different countries had never before known each other we both grew up with our mothers’side of the family and our fathers’relatives were basically unknown to us(we are related on our fathers side)so it was like meeting and falling in love with a stranger, even though we knew we were related there’s something about love, however what we choose to do about our love for each other is another story we r unhappily married to other people and have kids, i can safely say for that point in time in my life i felt gay(u know weird, outcast and oh so forbidden)
i wish i was living in the 18th cen. if only so that i could be with the love of my life…….by the way we r still crazy in love just without the physical aspect.when u meet someone who stimulates ur mind, soul and body in ways only known in movies or that a few people are blessed enough to know it wont seem gross……by the way although there are scientific facts that would allow for marriage between us, sometimes the societal factors outweighs them…as humans we want 2 b accepted,love by most n generally live in peace…….but at peace is the last thing i’m feeling as i’m fighting a battle within my self…….by the way i live in the caribbean were almost everything is fucking taboo…..anyone ever saw “the Notebook”..that would be my story without the ending, how pityful
December 12th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
whats first second and third cousin?
December 27th, 2008 at 8:23 am
a while back someone was talking about how they were related to king donald II of scotland….well, my grandad found out that I am descended from William the Conqueror’s sister!! (which means i’m somehow related to him) hehe awesome, and on my dad’s side we’re also descended from the normans when they came over for the battle of hastings in 1066. it’s kind of depressing though that my family has only moved a few miles across the channel in nearly a thousand years!
Also, apparently there’s an Indian princess in my family who came over to England during WWII…I bet someone else has a more interesting story but there you go!
January 8th, 2009 at 7:04 am
well, goin bk 3 yrs ago, me n my nd cousin hit it off but was reaaly scared bout the family, is mother was my great antie, hes my mothers 1st cousin, anyway we got 2gether n really really happy n wouldnt change anything, hes 13 years older than me n works really well, ad bother at 1st but evey1 now knows n dont say anything, i think if u do fall 4 a cousin n u both feel the same way, then go 4 it, even tho im wiv my 2nd cousin i wouldnt dream on hittin it off wiv my 1st,
January 22nd, 2009 at 2:53 am
I looked up this entrique because of a book i read, to my astonishment i see H.G Wells on there another writer from the exact same period (Oscar Wilde, The Importance Of Being Earnest:Play Debuted ST Valentines Day 1895).My mind but cannot wonder was this inspiration or coincidence.
February 11th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Mary, Queen of Scots married her cousin Darnley
yes – i am scottish
April 15th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
For those rather silly people grossed out even by the notion of second cousins marrying, I’ll give you another pair of individuals commonly believed to have been FIRST cousins: Mary and Joseph. In addition, even if they were not, Isaac and Rebekah were cousins, and their son Jacob not only married cousins (two of them, sisters to each other), but they were cousins on both sides.
The fact is, there is only a slight increase in the risk of birth defects even when first cousins marry. But what really matters is the family dynamic. That’s one reason why it may be worse for step-siblings — who may be totally unrelated from a biological standpoint — to marry, than it would be for cousins not raised as siblings.
May 1st, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Culture Class:
I’m from India, in some parts of my country this is pretty common even now. I myself married my mother’s brother’s daughter in 2005. i guess that’s first cousin.
Before marriage, i talked to a doctor, studied some researches about consanguinity.
I also learned that its NOT actually illegal to marry first cousins, in most of the states of USA. It’s legal in liberal California as well as conservative Texas.
The scare in western societies about marrying cousins is just a myth. The whole bad genes thing is just a theory. There is no proof about an bad effects. It was concluded in a study done on 10s of 1000s of Indians who married first cousins, that the birth defects in the children is caused by other reasons, like lack of medical awareness, facilities, treatment, preventie measures etc.
I am a hindu. in our culture, we don’t call them cousins. we don’t have an equalent word in our language for cousin. we only have brother/sister or brother-in-law/sister-in-law. no generic term cousin.
Here are our relations (literal translation):
Father’s Elder Brother – Big Father
Father’s Younger Brother – Small Father
Mother’s Elder Sister – Big Mother
Mother’s Younger Sister – Small Mother
we call the children of these as simply Brother or Sister, not cousin. when we introduce them to someone, we tell others that, they are my brothers/sisters. if other person asks me specifically if they are my ‘own brothers/sisters’, then i would tell them that they are my Big/Small Father/Mother ’s kids.
These types of first cousins may be super hot, but i can honestly speak for our religion people and testify for myself (dont need to lie due to anonymity), i never think them in kinky way, not even the way western society think about their first cousins (kiss cousins, forbidden etc, as in the movie ‘Cruel Intentions’ ).
i feel about these cousin sisters exactly how i feel about my own sister. everything about them is like my own sister. u may not believe but i feel about them exactly like my sister. i guess the culture and how u are brought up plays a major role here. not even a second in my whole life, those kinda of thoughts cross my mind, like how naturally it doesnt happen regarding my own sister.
———– interesting stuff…..>>>
Now, coming to the other half of the first cousins, its completely opposite, to the extent western societies cant even imagine. we call them the equalent of Brother-In-Law and Sister-In-Law, the most eligible spouses
(respective opposite genders)
The relations:
Father’s Elder Sister – Big Aunt
Father’s Younger Sister – Small Aunt
Mother’s Elder Brother – Big Uncle
Mother’s Younger Brother – Smll Uncle
when i introduce these cousins to others, i would introduce them as my Brother-In-Law or Sister-In-Law.
The very thought of the daughters of these uncle/aunt make me think in a completely kinky way. parents also won’t even object if i try to do stuff to these girls. my father’s sister and my mother’s brother, will be more than happy if i try to marry their daughter. the whole society is setup like that.
for example, if i am already born, soon as my father’s sister gets married, my father would ask his sister, ‘when are you giving me my daughter-in-law’, meaning, the daughter of my father’s sister, is the most eligible bride for me
soon as my father’s sister give birth to a daughter, my father would go ‘my daughter-in-law looks so cute’. and everyone in the world tease me that, my future bride is just born. from then on everytime some one refers about my aunt’s daughter, they would refer as my future potential wife
soon as we reach teen years, the topic in my friends circle is, ‘did we do with’ or atleast kiss my aunts’ daughter.
but in this whole culture, none of them thinks the same way about Big/Small Father/Sister ’s children. they are treated as pretty much as Brother’s and sisters.
here is some more, my grand father (father’s father) married his first cousin. my father married his first cousin. and i married first cousin. all three of them ( my wife, my mother, my father’s mother) have same last name before marriage
the children of my grand father are fine, children of my father are fine and i hope the same with my children. in my immediate friends circle 3/4 of them married their first cousins. their chidren are fine.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:03 pm
@ CRSN
where did you get ur 60% and 40%? can you point me to a scientific study with a logic or a study on actual people?
May 8th, 2009 at 10:15 am
I love how all the disgrace about incest stems from religion.
Adam and Eve: only humans on Earth. Kids would have had to do it with their mum or amongst themselves or we wouldn’t be here. Same story with Noah and his family after the flood.
Anyway, society is waaaaay too sensitive about incest. There’s nothing inherently wrong with it as long as you don’t go having kids.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:30 am
136.? – Little known fact: Eve was created after God told Adam to go f**k himself.
I’m not serious of course. Just “ribbing” you guys.
And you might want to rephrase your last sentence. Maybe: “There’s nothing inherently wrong with it as long as you don’t go having sex with YOUR OWN kids.”
May 27th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
i too hve a doubt,my mother’s sis son is there.he is my cousin know,his name is joy. Now the problem is i loved a beautiful gal of my age only let her name be ‘ruth’,but to my shock she is cousin of joy. their relation is lke dis…joy’s father n ruth’s father r cousin brothers,so she is cousin sis of joy…now as joy is my cousin now ruth is also cousin 4me am i rit?…..but i love her soooooooo much n she also likes me,now can i propose n marry her? plzzzzzzzz tell me a solution
July 13th, 2009 at 8:49 am
i love my first cousin… so much…. im willing to leave everything behind… there’s nothing wrong with us… we just fell in love… thats all… hope everyone else will let us be
July 26th, 2009 at 12:00 am
i really2 love my 1st cousin so much… wish she would be the one that id b married to…. will you marry me someday alexandra villanueva?? i wanna spend my life with you ….. i love you so much
August 1st, 2009 at 1:37 pm
i never mt my cousin until a year ago, im 19 and hes 22….
hes my first cousin….
weve been seeing each other in secret for like 5 months and i am truly in love with him….
i feel that because we are cousins it makes us closer…
i would just like to hear all your views on this subject…
i know im probably lining myself up for some horrible messags but i can handle it so i would love to know the truth ….
thank you …
August 4th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
I think ya’all are making tooooo much of this cousin thing. Really look it up in the Bible if you are so inclined, incest stops before cousins. I have a particular cousin that I think is totally HOT and to our pleasant surprise we have very strong feelings for each other. We have done the deed a few times and it has just made us closer. And yes we can still look each other in the eye at family reunions.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
hi my great grandad married his cousin and had 4 children one of which had serve mental health she went on to marry her cousin and had a child with serve mental health my parents are not related but i suffer serve mental health which is ditroying my life i feel resentful this could happen and dont feel alot for my family my life has been very hard and i struggle to cope with daily life this is so unfair
September 2nd, 2009 at 6:46 pm
The US is the only country that has developed this strange stigma and opposition to cousin relationships and marriage. History is filled with examples of happy, healthy examples of married cousin couples – all the way back to biblical times. The incorrect belief that cousins will produce deformed babies has perpetuated this stigma and contradicts the actual truth. I find it amazing that the US accepts homosexual relationships and even homosexual marriage, but frowns upon the idea that cousins can love one another and desire to be married and spend their lives together. That makes absolutely no sense.
September 27th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
so what if your cousin was only related by marriage and you had just met that person about a year ago?
October 11th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
I am amazed at the bible thumpers that will swear that the story of Noah and the flood is the absolute truth but in the same breath will condem cousins who marry each other. If the only people on the ark were Noah and his wife, Noah’s sons and their wives—-well figure our the relationships of the flood survivors that carried on the human race. Are we ALL at least cousins?
November 10th, 2009 at 5:03 am
It is sad that human beings misunderstand the subject of love and sex/sexuality very grossly, and that is what informs the taboos about cousin marriages! Accordingly, there is no probing why marriages are failing right, left and center…
Any thought of total strangers in gamble-like union with corresponding value differences, fear and hard-hearts as subtle factors in the picture??? Imagine, on the other hand, cousins who in being already familiar have similar values and soft-hearts for each other.
Thus, while conventional marriages are about forever learning to be familiar, and prove oneself, cousin union would be about building on an already established relationship. My marriage collapsed because of the former. Meanwhile, societal taboo blocked a golden opportunity for my maternal first cousin and I to get married though we silently loved each other and wished that we could.
The day humanity fully understands love, sex/sexuality and marriage, a whole lot of problems would be averted in our world – a type of paradise! Maybe that is why humanity looks for paradise beyond living because they lost it here. Every social issue starts from the home made by the union of two people.
November 17th, 2009 at 10:32 am
This is gross. I think the population is large enough that we can all look outside our own families for a spouse. Even third, fourth or fifth cousins have enough of the same blood to make me say ewwwww.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
I think it’s hot. I’d bang my cousin..sounds like a dirty little hobby. hahaa
December 7th, 2009 at 11:47 am
what!!!!! ?????WOW!!!!
December 17th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Edgar Allen Poe was a pedophile. Lovely.
December 27th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Poe was messed up to start lookin at a 7 year old cousin but I was having sex with my sister at 12 until my mother found out then I had to have sex with her! wasnt bad though we still love each other just not at the same time
January 2nd, 2010 at 2:25 am
wao..biggin ur mest up i hope ur just kidding… but i love this topic im in love with my first cusin.. since we were 6 years old we had to hide our love from the rest of the world now 18 and we still do.. his mom even thinks his gay cuse he wont look at women and spends all his time with me. what kemo said touched my heart… if only this world so ingnorent x3×3x3×3
January 4th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Im 15 and have had a thing for my cousin for a number of years… i see nothing wrong with it for we were raised seperately and havent spoken to eachother in 2 years… i saw her for christmas and was happy that i still liked her and were happily dating through distance… were not telling family until were old enough to move out of state to where we can marry… im happy to say that she has a bit of a thing for me to
January 12th, 2010 at 9:48 am
i like the thomas jefferson is died.
January 18th, 2010 at 12:09 am
It fascinates me, as a non-American, to read some of these comments, so here are a few thoughts to mull over:
Americans make up less than 5% of the global population: therefore, what you may see as “global” laws are actually only “local”, and happen to be much more restrictive, being based in 18th century British law with a particularly puritanical twist.
For most of the English-speaking world, ours are based in early 20th century British law.
The majority of us live in a world where the age of consent is 16, and where there is no prohibition on relationship or marriage with cousins of any degree.
You cannot have a legal sexual or marital relationship with anyone closer than first cousin, and in most countries parental approval or a court order is required for marriage if you are 16 – 18 (no 13-year-olds need apply!), but otherwise, no problems. And we don’t start licking lascivious lips over a “scandal” involving 17-year-old cousins having a snog.
First cousin marriages are rare (I have known of one in 40+ years), and while America has the highest young teen pregnancy rate in the world while trying to defend the nation’s chastity, perhaps the idea of doing something “banned” invites the rules to be broken.
To a hormonal 13-year-old, 18 is vastly more time to wait (38% of the lifetime you have experienced) than 16 (23%). And if your first available experimental partners are literally kissing cousins, . . . . . (insert violins here).
And to introduce another dimension: Stoccareddo is an isolated village in the Italian Alps where everyone is related, everyone is a “Bau” and 90+ longevity is the norm (lots of fatty foods; no high cholesterol; no heart disease). The theory is that the “bad” genes have died out during their 800 year residency. Maybe Darwin knew something that couldn’t go into book form.
January 18th, 2010 at 12:28 am
“Incest” is a term which is defined entirely by what your country’s legislation says is incestuous, not by actual relationship.
Siblings, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and similar are “incestuous”, and in New Zealand we also have proscriptions against certain non-sanguinous relations, such as step-relations, adopting parents and their offspring, and brothers/sisters in-law.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm
I will be marriying my first cousin. he is my half aunts son. i don’t care what people think. u can’t help who u fall in love with
February 28th, 2010 at 10:30 am
@cowgirl (158): i want to marry jennifer my first cousin. and i wish everyone knew