My birthday is on Monday so today I am in a mood of recollecting that life is short and we should live it to the full. In honor of the “life is short” bit, I have come up with a slightly depressing list (don’t worry – I will post a happier one tomorrow). The Victorians were a special breed and this list looks at 10 aspects of life from the Victorian era that are creepy. Note that the focus is entirely on Victorian England. Be sure to post any we have missed in the comments.
The Victorian upper class (and later middle class) had no televisions to entertain them, so they entertained themselves. One of the popular forms of entertainment was for friends and family to dress up in outrageous costumes and pose for each other. This sounds innocent – but just think: can you imagine your grandmother dressing up as a greek wood nymph posing on a table in the living room while everyone applauds? No. You can’t. The idea is, in fact, creepy. But for the Victorians, this was perfectly normal and fun.
Poorhouses were government-run facilities where the poor, infirm, or mentally ill could live. They were usually filthy and full to the brim of societies unwanted people. At the time, poverty was seen as dishonorable as it came from a lack of the moral virtue of industriousness. Many of the people who lived in the poorhouses were required to work to contribute to the cost of their board and it was not uncommon for whole families to live together with other families in the communal environment. In the Victorian era life didn’t get much worse than that of a poorhouse resident.
London during the Victorian era was famed for its pea-soupers — fogs so thick you could barely see through them. The pea-soupers were caused by a combination of fogs from the River Thames and smoke from the coal fires that were an essential part of Victorian life. Interestingly London had suffered from these pea-soupers for centuries – in 1306, King Edward I banned coal fires because of the smog. In 1952, 12 thousand Londoners died due to the smog causing the government to pass the Clean Air Act which created smog free zones. The Victorian atmosphere (in literature and modern film) is greatly enhanced by the thick smog due and this creepy environment made possible the acts of people like Jack the Ripper.
English food can be creepy at the best of times, but especially so in the Victorian era (disclaimer: England currently produces some of the finest food in the world). The Victorians loved offal and ate virtually every part of an animal. This is not entirely creepy if you are a food fanatic (like me) but for the average person, the idea of supping on a bowl of brains and heart is not appealing. Another famous dish from the Victorian era was turtle soup. The turtle was prized above all for its green jello-like fat which was used to flavor the soup made from the long-boiled stringy flesh of the animal. Due to dwindling numbers, turtles are seldom eaten nowadays, though it is possible to purchase them in some states of America where they are plentiful.
In a time when one in four surgery patients died after surgery, you were very lucky in Victorian times to have a good doctor with a clean theatre. There was no anesthesia, no painkillers for after, and no electric equipment to reduce the duration of an operation. Victorian surgery wasn’t just creepy, it was outright horrific. Here is a description of one surgery:
The assembled crowd of anxious medical students dutifully check their pocket watches, as two of Liston’s surgical assistants – ‘dressers’ as they are called – take firm hold of the struggling patient’s shoulders.
The fully conscious man, already racked with pain from the badly broken leg he suffered by falling between a train and the platform at nearby King’s Cross, looks in total horror at the collection of knives, saws and needles that lie alongside him.
Liston clamps his left hand across the patient’s thigh, picks up his favourite knife and in one rapid movement makes his incision. A dresser immediately tightens a tourniquet to stem the blood. As the patient screams with pain, Liston puts the knife away and grabs the saw.
With an assistant exposing the bone, Liston begins to cut. Suddenly, the nervous student who has been volunteered to steady the injured leg realises he is supporting its full weight. With a shudder he drops the severed limb into a waiting box of sawdust. [Source]
At this time, castration was also still widely practiced along with other revolting surgeries like lobotomies which were first used in the Victorian era.
How could the gothic novel (a genre of literature that combines elements of both horror and romance) not be included on a list like this? It was the Victorian period that gave us such great works of terror as Dracula, and the Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Even the Americans got in on the act with Edgar Allen Poe producing some of the greatest gothic literature of the time. The Victorians knew how to frighten people and they knew how to do it in grand style. These works still form the basis of much modern horror and their power to thrill has not dwindled in the least.
In the late Victorian era, London was terrorized by the monster known as Jack the Ripper. Using the pea-soupers as a cover, the Ripper ultimately slaughtered five or more prostitutes working in the East End. Newspapers, whose circulation had been growing during this era, bestowed widespread and enduring notoriety on the killer because of the savagery of the attacks and the failure of the police to capture the murderer. Because the killer’s identity has never been confirmed, the legends surrounding the murders have become a combination of genuine historical research, folklore, and pseudohistory. Many authors, historians, and amateur detectives have proposed theories about the identity of the killer and his victims. You can read a list of the most fascinating Jack the Ripper suspects on our Top 10 Interesting Jack The Ripper Suspects.
A freak show is an exhibition of rarities, “freaks of nature” — such as unusually tall or short humans, and people with both male and female secondary sexual characteristics or other extraordinary diseases and conditions — and performances that are expected to be shocking to the viewers. Probably the most famous member of a freak show is the Elephant Man (pictured above). Joseph Carey Merrick (5 August 1862 – 11 April 1890) was an Englishman who became known as “The Elephant Man” because of his physical appearance caused by a congenital disorder. His left side was overgrown and distorted causing him to wear a mask for most of his life. You can read about two other famous “freaks” who had what is probably the most bizarre relationship in history here. There can be no doubt that the Victorian freak shows were one of the creepiest aspects of society at the time.
Memento mori is a Latin phrase meaning “Remember you shall die”. In the Victorian era, photography was young and extremely costly. When a loved one died, their relatives would sometimes have a photograph taken of the corpse in a pose – oftentimes with other members of the family. For the vast majority of Victorians, this was the only time they would be photographed. In these post-mortem photographs, the effect of life was sometimes enhanced by either propping the subject’s eyes open or painting pupils onto the photographic print, and many early images have a rosy tint added to the cheeks of the corpse. Adults were more commonly posed in chairs or even braced on specially-designed frames. Flowers were also a common prop in post-mortem photography of all types. In the photo above, the fact that the girl is dead is made slightly more obvious (and creepy) by the fact that the slight movement of her parents causes them to be slightly blurred due to the long exposure time, while the girl is deathly still and, thus, perfectly in focus. You can read an excellent article on memento mori (post-morten photographs) complete with a huge archive of somewhat macabre photos here.
Queen Victoria has to have position number one on this list because the era is named for her and, frankly, she was bloody creepy. When her husband Albert died in 1861, she went into mourning – donning black frocks until her own death many years later – and expected her nation to do so too. She avoided public appearances and rarely set foot in London in the following years. Her seclusion earned her the name “Widow of Windsor.” Her sombre reign cast a dark pall across Britain and her influence was so great that the entire period was fraught with creepiness. Ironically, since Victoria disliked black funerals so much, London was festooned in purple and white when she died.























August 29th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Awesome list!
August 29th, 2009 at 1:37 am
“Normal” is what you are accustomed to. Creepy to us, ho-hum to them! And an early “Happy birthday”, to you!
August 29th, 2009 at 1:37 am
If this is what Victorian life is like, then I think I’ll stay here in New South Wales!
There is a film just released or just about to be released called “The Young Victoria”, which depicts the young Victoria as feisty (which she was). Apparently she was close to being a sex maniac.
Another possible addition would be Victorian pornographic novels (which a friend of mine once told me about).
August 29th, 2009 at 1:37 am
Wow….thats a rather sad and intense list. It makes me want to study more about Victorian life.
Love the list
August 29th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Very interesting list, the death photograph was particularly creepy.
Also, I’ve never seen a list before without comments.
August 29th, 2009 at 1:52 am
I’d never heard of the death photography; I guess it was a logical extension of death masks(!)
Widow’s wearing black for the rest of their lives still goes on – in Greece, women are expected to wear black if their husband has died.
August 29th, 2009 at 2:02 am
all the glitters …. arent gold?
August 29th, 2009 at 2:05 am
Great list!
A very interesting read
August 29th, 2009 at 2:16 am
In your bit about the poorhouses you said that whole families lived together with other families. This isn’t quite true, or at elast is misleading, as families were split up – men and women were segregated and lived and worked in separate parts of the poorhouse
August 29th, 2009 at 2:19 am
I love this list!! JFrater your site rocks!
August 29th, 2009 at 2:25 am
entertaining list
but besides the death photos i dont really find these things creepy
i think ive seen to many horror movies
August 29th, 2009 at 2:33 am
Freak shows seem the creepiest to me. And happy birthday, JFrater!
August 29th, 2009 at 2:36 am
Happy Birthday!
I’m not sure where you got your info on ‘poorhouses’ from. That is not a term we know in the UK. They were called ‘workhouses’. See http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ for an extensive look at English workhouses.
In 1834 the 15,000 or so parishes in England and Wales were formed into Poor Law Unions, each with its own union workhouse. Each Poor Law Union was managed by a locally elected Board of Guardians and the whole system was administered by a central Poor Law Commission. Towards the end of the nineteenth century, conditions gradually improved in the workhouse, particularly for the elderly and infirm, and for children. Food became a little more varied and small luxuries such as books, newspapers, and even occasional outings were allowed. Children were increasingly housed away from the workhouses in special schools or in cottage homes which were often placed out in the countryside.
Relaxations very gradually began to creep in from the 1880s including the allowance of books, newspapers and snuff for the elderly, toys for the children, and tea-brewing facilities for deserving inmates. Living conditions were often healthier than existed in much poor housing of the time. Although monotonous, the food was regular and reasonably wholesome and improved considerably after the dietary reforms in 1900. The staff in many institutions were kindly, and the brutal treatment that was sensationalized in the press was probably much the exception. The treatment of elderly inmates in particular had become much more relaxed. From the 1890s, elderly inmates at the Macclesfield workhouse could wear their own clothes, leave the workhouse for daily afternoon walks, have friends to visit in the afternoon, and even keep their own pets. In Abingdon, in the late 1920s, the inmates had a wireless in their day room, and supervised weekly excursions to the local cinema.
August 29th, 2009 at 2:44 am
is it creepy that i wanna go back and live in victorian england?
August 29th, 2009 at 2:45 am
two history lists in as many days? you’re spoiling us jfrater! great list, no.2 was one i’d never heard of before. also thanks for the disclaimer on no.7, i don’t know where that myth about english food being rubbish comes from. probably french propaganda
your point in no.9 about poverty being seen as dishonourable was more a result of the conditions of the workhouses than the other way round. the ruling class (the old nobility and industrialists) were the ones who had to pay for poor relief. they decided this was costing them too much, so they set about trying to make living of poor relief as undesirable as possible, for example by setting up workhouses. previously england had actually had some of the most charitable poor laws in europe.
August 29th, 2009 at 2:56 am
The pictures of the dead are too creepy, it reminds me of the film, the Others with nicole kidman. Jack the ripper is now a big part of the london dungeons lol.
August 29th, 2009 at 3:21 am
@necro_penguin (15): Not at all. I wish I could do that too. It’s not that creepy at all. Either that, or we’re both loonies.
August 29th, 2009 at 3:23 am
Awesome list JF no. 7 I enjoy my tripe and onions, the wife is Scots and I can not bring myself to eat haggis, a matter of opinion I suppose. Have a good one on monday – cheers.
August 29th, 2009 at 3:33 am
In reference to wearing black for mourning, if you think about it, wearing white is even more morbid for that purpose. It still happens in some countries.
August 29th, 2009 at 4:06 am
I wouldn’t call these things creepy, I would use unusual. But then the workhouses can’t help but seem like neither of them, just sad.
August 29th, 2009 at 4:12 am
Tedious but profitable ways of treating female hysteria:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria#Victorian_era
August 29th, 2009 at 4:15 am
#10 So Victorian England started cosplay?
#7 And I thought turtle soup was Chinese…
August 29th, 2009 at 4:31 am
wearing blzck in morning isnt that creepy.
you could also include tours around insanse aslyums where all the inmates were in big caged cells and made deafening noise and shocked guests by “mating”, fighting and screaming and throwing “waste”.
pretty creepy yes but i’ll admit i would definatly go.
its funny that bedlam-one of the worst and most famous was turned into the imperial war museum
August 29th, 2009 at 4:37 am
Englands unique history summed up right there, i feel patriotic now
Early happy birthday to you my friend!
August 29th, 2009 at 5:15 am
I went to the link from the Memento Mori..
I couldn’t stay too long. While the photographs of the adults were creepy, the children and infants were so horrible and just tragic. I can’t help but cry. Imagine a mother, holding that photograph of a beloved baby…
I’m crying just thinking about it.
August 29th, 2009 at 5:35 am
Wow, Victorian England is the place to be!
August 29th, 2009 at 5:38 am
Happy birthday JF.
@22 L: Please. They only did that because everyone knows that the female orgasm is a myth. :-p
I think that the Vignettes are kind of cool.
Queen Victoria is one creepy monarch, & remember that it was a lot her descendants leading the major powers of Europe in WWI. I’m not blaming the British for this; I may be American, but I’ve been accused of being an Anglophile.
August 29th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Based on what I’ve been reading lately, UK health care is still pretty darn creepy!
August 29th, 2009 at 5:58 am
I didn’t click on the link for the memento mori because it’d be a pretty depressing way to spend my few short minutes before rushing off to work and because I’m pretty familiar with them. I studied them in a History of Photography course back in school. We even got to handle one… well not physically handle it like we do with photos today because this was encased in thick protective plastic but we still got to hold it and study the details and clarity you couldn’t find anyway else with that photographic technique. It was a child who couldn’t have been more than two, wearing an angel’s wings costume and posed as if taking a nap in the background of Raphael’s Little Angels painting. I can’t remember if this was my professor’s distant relative or if it was one of the many types of photographs she bought and collected over the years but either story would be no less sobering when physically holding a slightly dog-earred little photo with that kind of history.
August 29th, 2009 at 6:07 am
the pea-soupers were called miasmas, hense the “miasmatic theory” of deseise, and our food is still sometimes creepy.
its really annoying when i go on holiday and i cant find black pudding ANYWHERE!!! (black pudding is pigs bllood and it buff!)
but there were only ever 5 official victims.
August 29th, 2009 at 6:17 am
Happy early B-day, Jaime!
The pictures were the creepiest! Can you imagine having to hold the person long enough to take a picture during that era? *shudder* I like (some) relatives, but not that much!
Cool list as always.
August 29th, 2009 at 6:24 am
The Victorians also liked to make jewelry from (or containing locks of) a deceased loved one’s hair. That creeps me out. Sounds like something a serial killer would do.
August 29th, 2009 at 6:32 am
@gabi319 (30): what a great comment – thanks for sharing that!
August 29th, 2009 at 6:34 am
@XxCuBeZxX (31): come to NZ – at least we have an appreciation for good black pudding!
August 29th, 2009 at 6:36 am
@missmozell (33): dont forget life gems – almost as bad
August 29th, 2009 at 6:37 am
I live in Scotland and one of my grandmother’s friends from Morayshire was taken, with her 4 sisters, by their mother to be sterilised by a sawbone Victorian-era doctor when they were 10-18.
They were all given hysterectomies and were never able to have children. I met this woman many times before she died 15 years ago and she was possibly one of the loveliest, happiest woman I’ve ever met, especially around children (I was 10 when she died so she was especially fond of me and my sister).
I’m certain the mother was mentally ill, and I have no idea what her motivation was in preventing her daughters from having children, but I find it gobsmacking that her husband knew nothing about this or was complicit and that she found someone willing to perform hysterectomies on all 5 of her t(w)eenage daughters.
This isn’t 100 years ago, this is in living memory.
August 29th, 2009 at 6:40 am
yo j happy early bday my brother
August 29th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Also there is a graveyard at the end of Princes Street with a large Victorian-era gravestone dedicated to an Emma Wilson that says:
Beloved Wife and Mother
Died in Childbirth
Aged 13
Creepy for sure.
August 29th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Hey JFrater, my birthday is on monday too! I’ll be turning 21, what age will you be?
August 29th, 2009 at 6:46 am
number one’s not creepy at all I do that all the time XD
August 29th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Also, we share the same b-day as Christ Tucker, Van Morrisson, and none other than Richard Gere!
August 29th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Personally I think life has just gotten creepier since.
August 29th, 2009 at 7:31 am
I know this is about Victorian England, but I want to add one of the creepiest things about the Victorian Era in America. Circumcision. Introduced to prevent masturbation. Dr. Kellogg was a quack. He recommended both male and female circumcision, however males were primarily targeted. Unfortunately…
http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=52
August 29th, 2009 at 7:55 am
pretty good list
August 29th, 2009 at 8:04 am
I’ve always had a hard time looking at photos of people from when they were alive after they’ve died. especially friends and young people that went so soon- something about reconciling a frozen image of them in life juxtaposed with their absence. not sure if Memento Mori would be helpful in my case or just set off new contemplations about the connection of the physical form and the spark of life that used to animate it.
happy b-day Jamie – Virgo Power \m/ \m/
August 29th, 2009 at 8:15 am
This is my new favorite list. A few years ago I saw an interesting item in a magazine about Joseph Merrick (I always thought his name was John).
Someone used a computer to speculate how he would have looked like if he was normal. He was quite handsome, actually.Sad.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:40 am
I must admit, reading about the surgeries made me shutter.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:51 am
The widespread use of such drugs as opium and cocaine, which could be bought by anyone was a common aspect of Victorian life.
I would definately have included opium on this list. Opium, in part, funded the British Empire.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Quite interesting indeed. Victoria’s shadow was cast quite afar wasn’t it?
Vignettes seem like a brilliant entertainment idea!
August 29th, 2009 at 9:15 am
@35==jfrater, I have no doubt that the Victorians would have been all over life gems if they’d had the technology. Victoria would have worn Albert around her neck, or on her finger or bosom for, what? Thirty, forty years?
August 29th, 2009 at 9:25 am
In this day and age of Grammar Nazism, I can’t imagine this hasn’t been pointed out yet (maybe it has; I didn’t see it), but “society’s” is misspelled as “societies” in #9.
The full sentence is:
“full to the brim of societies unwanted people.”
…not that it’s a big deal, but I just thought I’d point that out.
[/feels bad]
August 29th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Of course I zipped over to the momento mori pictures.
The creepiest ones were ones in chairs- the slumping, the bent head. The lying down ones looked more serene.
And the ones where a live kid had to pose with their dead twin! Emoticons fail…
August 29th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Creepy Creepy and again Creepy.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Surgery !!!! I think its a North Korean prison camp
August 29th, 2009 at 10:18 am
To hell with livin in the victorian era. All that shit sucks. That poor elephant man, what an life i cant fathom. Frankly id be lost without my internet, sticky buds, taco bell, Hells kitchen episodes, and my family……oh yeah and the no power or water thing would suck too. Still sweeet list. Happy B-day JF.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Nice.
Just as I’m trying to get the image of Elena Milagro “Helen” de Hoyos’ corpse out of my head, I got an eyefull of Joseph Merrick and Queen Victoria!
August 29th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Happy Birthday!
August 29th, 2009 at 10:38 am
(formerly Cubone, here, btw)
August 29th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Happy b-day jfrater. Best of luck.
Great list. I think the elephant man is just weird.
August 29th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Victorians – Goth before goth was cool
August 29th, 2009 at 11:50 am
JFrater-Happy birthday in case I forget Monday-(Senility sitting in rapidly now)–Great list and very interesting but I don’t see anything particularly “creepy” about any of it–There have been “freak shows” long before Queen Victoria” and they still exist today at fairs and carnivals-At least they do here in the USA-As far as Jack The Ripper-Any serial killer is creepy,of course,but he wasn’t any worse than Jeffrey Dahmer(not sure of correct spelling)–And “people dressing up in costumes” just sounds like the masquerade parties of today-And smog killing people? There’s more people dying today from pollution than ever died during the Victorian period–Still,a very interesting list-Well put together-
August 29th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Great list, JFrater. Real interesting. Here in the US, we also had our period of taking pictures of the dead, also in the late 1800’s. The cowboys, bad guys, good guys, who were shot were often propped up in their caskets and a picture was taken, often in front of the saloon or undertakers shop.
@calm_incense (51): I wouldn’t complain too much about “grammer nazism” if I were you, as you sound like one of it’s proponents.
August 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
One of the more unusual, though not strictly disturbing, trends of Victorians was the prepensity for dressing their children in the clothes of the opposite sex (i.e. small boys would be dressed as girls). So you could infer that Victorians fostered the notion of cross-dressing as much as they did sexual repression.
August 29th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Interesting. I’ve studied the Victorian Era for my miniatures and got so interested in it that I read far more than what I needed to create an authentic mini setting!
I collect cabinet cards and cartes de visites. I have three albums I’m trying to fill. Some of the most interesting ones are the sideshow performers cards. I have a Willy Ray (famous midget) card and a postcard with Harry Earles (of the Doll Family; he and his sister starred in the movie “Freaks”) on it. I also have a memento mori of a toddler in a casket. It has a name on the back but right now I can’t recall what it is. The memento moris and the freak cards are EXPENSIVE. I would love to find some at a garage sale or something for super cheap, but so far no way.
Mostly I just collect them if I like the people. I have a ton of ones with babies on them and some interesting people like an English nurse and a soldier.
I love Victorian furniture too, but I can’t afford that! My dream is to have a Victorian house and fill it full of authentic period things. So far all I have is little things. I did finally get a pickle caster (holds pickles at the table, with tongs to pick them out). One thing they did was ornament EVERYTHING. So even the most mundane objects were decorated all fancy. Mine is a purple pressed glass jar with ornate tongs. It was pretty cheap at $120. Most of them are really fancy and more like $300 or $400!!
Similar to mine:
http://www.rubylane.com/shops/appalachiandream/item/1387
August 29th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY JFRATER!!!
August 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
@ redcaboose (62): At first I was going to protest you calling me a proponent of Grammar Nazism, but then I realized my urge to point out your misuse of “grammer” and “it’s”.
I guess you’re right.
>_:(
August 29th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Gah, this site messed up that last smiley…
August 29th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
On second thought, all three smileys are messed up. Maybe it was me.
August 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
This list is too Victorian!
August 29th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Good list. I’ve always been interested by Momento Mori.
Is it weird that my grandma still takes & keeps photos of funerals, and family members gathered around them? Must be an Eastern European thing…
August 29th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Wow. Pretty cool.
What’s a life gem?
August 29th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Happy Birthday! Number to is effing creepy!
August 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
This list was too all over the place. It could have been so much better. Seemed like a half hearted effort. Had alot of potential though.
August 29th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Oh yeh, and a happy b day to you!!!!!!!!!!
August 29th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
best list ever man, i shall read this list daily
August 29th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Didnt queen Victoria really like the elephant man or something? Maybe I just made that up
August 29th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
@Brebe (73): really? It took me hours to put together so I can at least assure you that it wasn’t rushed. It also happens to a topic that fascinates me
August 29th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
@Vera–71
A life gem is where a company takes the cremation ashes, extracts all the carbon, and compresses it into a man-made diamond. The main company (could be the only one) is in Illinois I think. The grade and size of the stone depends on how much you want to pay, but I think they only go up to one carat. That costs around 20,000, so if you’re wanting to economize you’d be better off going with a full plot and headstone. Plus the idea of turning your loved one into jewelry… and making it an HEIRLOOM… Not an heirloom, for God’s sake. I could see a grieving widow or widower wanting to be buried with their crystilized loved one. Oh, and they do pets, too. I supose that’s better than having them ‘preserved’ and keeping them lying around the house.
August 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
i just recently finished reading Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte and there is almost a whole chapter devoted to Vignettes..
August 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I told my daughter I wanted her to make a ring out of my ashes. I asked her if she’d wear me, she said ‘no’ she was afraid she would lose me. I know I’m wierd, was born that way. LOL (I don’t think she’d make a ring out of me, but I think it is kind of cool.)
Happy birthday jfrater!
August 29th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
WOW, that memento mori stuff is absolutely terrifying and fascinating all at the same time. I didn’t realize the creepiness of the photo until I read your description of it. I couldn’t stop staring at how still the girl is and how blurred her parents are. Augh, that gave me the willies, thanks =)
August 29th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
I honestly don’t find some of these things creepy, for example with Number 10, that is like the precursor to modern day cosplaying. Moreover, men and women married and had children very young, so you were more likely to end up being a grandmother in your thirties and forties. It’s like your mother dressing up as Cleopatra last Halloween.
By the way, happy early birthday JFrater.
August 29th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Not a halfhearted or haphazard list, Jamie — you just keep doin’ what you’re doin’.
I think the Victorian Era was such a strange time: universally enforced sexual repression and frustration, horrible sanitation and medical conditions, and so many views of white Christian (male) superiority that today we would view as hypocrisy and bigotry. And yet, England built an empire that in many respects was the backbone of the civilized world, even shoring up places that had either never been civilized before, or had been stagnant for centuries. I’ve heard it said that England’s gift to the world was a flair for administration, of law, of military strength and of social services. Once the English administrative structure was pulled out of each country in the 20th century, as the colonial era drew to a close, many countries formerly under British rule either exploded in civil war or slowly toppled due to internal corruption. Granted, most of these countries were being systematically pillaged of their resources by the British (I’m looking at Iraq and Rhodesia, to give just two examples) but at the same time, they enjoyed a stability that vanished when the Union Jack was taken down for the last time.
Victorian morality affected the social mores of Europe and America as well, producing a sexually inhibited period that far too many people still view as “the good old days” for simple, clean-living people. The best that can be said for that time was that when world culture at last rebelled against it, the end products — everything from Picasso to Jung to Proust and Miller and Joyce and right on up to the Rolling Stones, baby (with more to come, I’m sure) was worth waiting for.
One thing’s for sure: we shall not see ol’ Vicky’s like again. I don’t think the human psyche would ever put up with such a gray prison again. But then again, who knows?
August 29th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Enjoyed the read…
August 29th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
#6 – BEAR IN MIND, if medical practice and surgery was bad in the UK, it must’ve been much worse everywhere else. UK were (and still is, of course) the leaders in modern medicine and research.
- See BBC’s Casualty 1906/07/09+ TV series.
August 29th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
#1 – It’s VERY HEARTLESS to call the mourning of the loss of her loved one as “bloody creepy” – wearing black and being sad for a long time after such a death isn’t uncommon whatsoever.
August 29th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
the victorian era has always creeped me out, this list only confirms my horrors
August 29th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Memento Mori, actually dates back to antiquity —
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_mori
Memento Mori photography, (or “postmortem photography”) actually did not end with the Victorian era. Many of the more commonly found photos are from the 1920s/1930s, and beyond. When my grandmother passed away at the age of 91, in 1997, we came across a dozen or so postmortem photographs that were in her possession. Included were photos of my great grandmother, as well as a number of great aunts, uncles and cousins. All were from the 1940-1950s. From what I was told, they were taken by the funeral director and supplied to those who wanted them as a keepsake.
One of the largest collections of online postmortem photography can be seen on this page:
http://www.paulfrecker.com/collections.cfm?pagetype=library&typeID=1&myPage=1
(Warning, some of the images are extremely disturbing!)
August 29th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
I was so inspired by the memento mori pictures a couple of years ago that I ended up doing my final ceramics project about it.
http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/077/d/f/Memento_Complete_by_enchantedpeach.jpg
August 29th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Double Decker buses during the VE. That’s a new one on me!
I also think the sexual repression and Hypocrisy were if not creepy then at least deeply disturbing and with consequences that still reverberate today.
Cheers
Lee
August 29th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
jfrater u should come to Chile and try some of the weird food we have…in the country people eats everything from sheeps and cows.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
“Welcome back, Victoria… Clean hands, clean face–dirty mind.”–Jesus Jones, sometimes in the eighties.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Misremembered. Should be “clean books, clean screens, clean words–dirty minds.” Even better. Had a Samuel Beckett moment there (damn Swiss cheese memory)
August 29th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
JFrater btw it would be nice someday to translate the site book into spanish. cant wait to get it!
August 29th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Prostitution was kind of invented in this era no?
August 29th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Great List. Also:
Spring-Heeled Jack
Chimmney Sweep: They would clean the chimmnies naked, and the ash and mold would cause testicular tumors. And they were young boys
Imperialism: The inspiration for Heart of Darkness
August 30th, 2009 at 12:40 am
@samfishers (95): Prostitution was kind of invented in this era no?
lol not even close. Why do you think it’s called “the world’s oldest profession”?
August 30th, 2009 at 1:58 am
@samfishers (95): I think there are already whores in the Biblical era.
@Brian (96): It’s a good thing I’m not a chimney sweep.
Oh gosh, we’re so lucky to live in this era.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:59 am
@astraya (3): so does Victoria have nymphomania?
August 30th, 2009 at 2:08 am
@RolliePollie (43): circumcision does not really prevent masturbation.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:15 am
@missmozell (78): life gems are pretty cool
August 30th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Very interesting list. yeah english food can be a bit hard to swallow heh.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:19 am
Your site has been a great inspiration and the knowledge gained has gotten me past the obstacle blocking my way.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:31 am
Hey i don’t find life gems all that creepy.My husband and I have actually thoroughly researched what I want done with my remains and we have determined that it is legal.I plan on being cremated then we are going to have the ashes mixed with concrete to make lawn ornaments for each of my kids and my husband.Our good friend maureen liked this idea so much that she wants one with my ashes in it.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Obviously it doesn’t! But that was the popular thought and I found it extremely creepy that people felt justified to mutilate someone’s genital.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Another ‘creepy’ aspect of Victorian life was the weight loss technique amongst women of swallowing a tapeworm cyst. There were even advertisements for it (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/174/438537358_796ef45563.jpg) and, shockingly, it’s still practised today.
http://www.tapewormdiet.net/index.html
Whoever’s running this site is trying to convince people that swallowing a beef cyst is a brilliant idea with no side effects.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:41 am
@aikon2963 (60): goth was NEVER cool
August 30th, 2009 at 11:09 am
The satirical magazine Viz had an awesome pull-out one time. It included a supposedly pornographic Victorian black and white spread of a young housemaid pulling her petticoats up so you could see her ankles. Phwoar!!!
The best bit was when she told of her turn-ons, like all good centrefolds do:
“I work from well before dawn until midnight every day, scrubbing the house from top to bottom. If I miss even a single spot of dust I am beaten mercilessly by the butler. But on every fourth Christmas day, I get an afternoon off and I can indulge myself on these special occasions, my only holidays, by walking up to the High Street to admire the nobility passing by in their finery. I have never known happiness, not even for a single fleeting moment.”
It’s funny ’cause it’s true.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Turtle soup is actually pretty good. I live in Kentucky and turtle soup is not that hard to come by around here. You just have to find the right restaurant that serves it.
Great list!
August 30th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Momento mori is interesting, yet creepy. Definately not for the faint of heart, especially since the instances infant deaths were so high. I’ve been going to that momento mori site for a few years and it never fails to amaze me how realistic some can look. Though Momento Mori isn’t just pictures of dead people, they also were of people who were still alive yet deathly ill.
You’ll also see a lot of children posed with their deceased siblings. Breaks your heart.
On another note, my grandmother tells the story of when her mother, who was brought up during the victorian era, was giving birth to her first child. She shocked the doctor when she asked where babies came from, she was under the impression they came out of your belly button… That’s pretty creepy to me.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
wasn’t the first human lobotomy performed around 1935? Well after the Victorian era ended.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Anyone else see modern analogs to just about
every item on this list? We’ll be thought of
as creepy too in about 100 years.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Happy birthday! You have agreat site, it’s always entertaining and educational. Thanks!
August 31st, 2009 at 3:28 am
Death photos: remember, we pose our dead and artificially close eyes and mouths using surgical and gruesome procedures. Most people just don’t photograph them, but I’ve seen enough funerals in this century to say we haven’t changed much.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:10 am
If you want something to do with the ashes I think this is a ood idea http://www.nadinejarvis.com/projects/carbon_copies
August 31st, 2009 at 7:30 am
The Victorians were, on the whole, far better people than any of you lot could ever hope to be. Know your betters, dogs!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:46 am
@necro_penguin (14): It might be exciting to do that as long as one could return to the present. Is it creepy? uh yeah… But if you are into “Goth” I’d say you’d fit in quite well. But just remember, there’s no internet.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:00 pm
#11: Ebeneezer Scrooge. Very creepy
August 31st, 2009 at 6:47 pm
@oouchan (31): Can you imagine having to hold the person long enough to take a picture during that era?
Depending on environment, the process took between 15 minutes to an hour (sometimes more) to fully make the photograph. However, most of the ones I saw were posed in such a way that they weren’t supported by other people (dead weight is heavy after all, especially the longer you need to support it). Instead, they were sometimes propped up against an object or even had metal contraptions to pose them in ways that would be impossible without the brace. Even people who were alive would use metal braces for long exposure photographs.
The memento mori with more animated poses and their eyes propped open were the ones that disturbed me the most. I think I saw one (in a textbook) of a fellow casually lounging in a chair with an arm propped on a table. Even his fingers were positioned in such a way that you could imagine he might’ve occasionally drummed his fingers on the table with impatience had he been alive. I think my prof said his eyelids were propped open with small sticks or something, but it was done in such a way that I couldn’t tell how they did it. Quite creepy how… ALIVE… he appeared.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:09 pm
The Philippine National hero was said to be Jack The Ripper…
Jose Rizal went to London, then Jack the Ripper Started.
When Jose Rizal left london, J.T.R murders stopped.
They say that Jack the Ripper must have had some medical training, based on the way his victims were mutilated. Rizal, of course, was a doctor.
Jack the Ripper liked women, and so did Rizal.
And — this is so obvious that many overlooked it — Jose Rizal’s initials match those of Jack the Ripper!
ADDITION………….
It was said that Jose Rizal, was the father of Adolf Hitler, the result of an indiscretion with a prostitute in Vienna.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:37 pm
And I thought Rizal had too much on his mind, with his country being conquered by Spaniards, and stuff.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:47 am
psh i’d be dead if i lidved back then. a biospy saved my life.
i couldnt imagine dying from something they didn’t even know of yet.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:24 am
nice… very interesting…
September 1st, 2009 at 10:30 am
Re #6, Surgery. There absolutely were anesthesia and painkillers. However, in a surgical “theater” the point was to show what went on. That is more creepy to me than the surgery itself. Today’s surgery is so sanitized and private! As to painkillers, what do you think opium, heroin and laudanum are? Granted this list is based on UK information, but in America, thousands of soldiers injured in the Civil War (1861-1864) became addicted to painkillers, and it was called Old Soldier’s Disease. Surgery techniques were not sanitary, but during the war the general understanding of medicine and surgery advanced farther and faster than it had in the previous 200 years. Also, since the Victorian era spanned something like 80 years, it’s inaccurate to say that anesthesia didn’t exist. It was invented in the 1840s and Queen Victoria used it in childbirth twice during the 1850s. It became popular for childbirth in England, and around the 1880s we begin to see many more newspaper articles about advances in anesthesia. Surgery patients were more likely to die from complications than the surgery itself. Infection was almost guaranteed and they did not have antibiotics like we do now.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:42 am
@63, they didn’t cross dress the boys, don’t be ridiculous! All children were dressed THE SAME for nanny purposes. It’s easier to access diapers by pulling up a dress than by taking down pants. They also wore white almost exclusively because it was possible to bleach and boil the clothes to get them clean. Also, the identity of children wasn’t thought to develop until much later in their childhood than we proscribe now. Today, little boys and girls are expected to develop their gender identity (e.g. boy or girl) by 1 or 2 years old. Prior to the 20th century, children were thought to understand their gender around the age of 5 or so. Also, children were potty trained much later, and boys were ‘breached’ when they were potty trained and given their first shorts. Boys didn’t wear long pants until they were between 10-15 years old in certain Western societies. If you can believe it, in antiquity, all children were dressed in swaddling clothes and hung on a peg over a bucket when they were infants. Nice.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I have a large collection of antique photographs, and one in particular is of a young boy (identified as Matthew on the reverse of the image) in a ornate dress with his hair in ringlets. He appears to be about ten years old, and by the degree of care taken in his appearance there is no doubt as to the intention. The handwritten date attributed to the image is 1894, so it is certainly within the Victorian era.
Unless, of course, someone believed that Matthew was a good name for their daughter…
September 1st, 2009 at 4:47 pm
I just loved this list. Good job!
September 2nd, 2009 at 7:23 am
Wow love it!
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I’m not sure what to tell you, BigWords. Are you unwilling to accept that Victorian customs with regard to children are different than modern ones? Because the fact is that little boys were dressed in dresses, their hair was dressed and often in curls (Little Lord Fauntleroy), and they didn’t wear pants until they were almost 5 years old. Sorry but that was the custom and it wasn’t because of some odd sexism or cross dressing. That’s just what boys wore.
September 2nd, 2009 at 8:59 pm
i dont know what i supposed to say but ots nice.
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Why isn’t slavery on here? Enslaving blacks not creepy enough for your list?
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Trading in slaves was made illegal throughout the British Empire in 1807. Slavery itself was abolished in 1833 (though undoubtedly continued under the counter). Victoria ascended to the throne in 1837.
September 3rd, 2009 at 11:20 pm
@astraya (132): Not to mention, what is “creepy” about slavery? Yes it’s inexcusably shameful and deplorable, but creepy? I don’t get that. jo’s attempt at raising moral consciousness fell a little flat…
September 6th, 2009 at 7:41 am
I remember I saaw those death photographs in the movie “The Others” I always wanted to know more.
Queen Victoria is an interesting figure. I mean she was a woman yet women were still oppressed in those times.
September 9th, 2009 at 4:57 am
I’m studying this one..
http://www.mydigitaldiary.weebly.com
September 11th, 2009 at 6:36 am
well, what excatly is creepy on this list? just wondering…
September 14th, 2009 at 4:41 am
Some creepy aspects are still practiced even today .As a child , the first funeral I attended was my father’s .The thing I couldn’t comprehend was this need for everyone to pose with the coffin and to even record the entire event on videotape . This is a common practice in Kenyan funerals .I don’t know if it’s practiced in other places .Even the way the pictures come out like a replica of Memento Mori photographs of Victorian times ,wired and creepy .You have to keep the pictures and the tape ,for the people who really mattered in your life if these are the only pictures of you have it becomes a sad experience for eternity . It’s great to capture happy moments cause you get to remember the good times . The thing that made me angry was when the visitors would come by after and want to see the pictures or the tape of the funeral .
September 17th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
What a bizarre period!
September 18th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
how about the hair-work and mourning jewelry? I find it incredibly creepy. It’s very similar to Catholics and their relics.
http://sentimentaljewelry.blogspot.com/2006/06/mourning-jewelry.html
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:36 am
This was a greta list, I found the death pictures fascinating and have always been interested in this era.
My grandfather once told me that when he was a boy and his father died, the had his open coffin in their living room for a week
On a note about Jack the Ripper, I belive the killer was William Dudley. He was s suspect in the case, but Police could not find a link. He worked as a horse butcher and when he moved from London, the murders stopped. Not long after he moved, he strangled and mutilated his wife’s body, for which he was hanged.
I know the debate about the real Jack the Ripper will probably be never ending, but that’s just my personal opinion
October 15th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
No idea where the guy who said we don’t use the term “poorhouse” in the UK comes from, but I’ve certainly used it and it was the term most commonly used when studying them in History at school. “Workhouse” and “Poorhouse” are interchangeable. “Poorhouse” is almost certainly what the Victorians themselves called the institutions. Good list!
October 15th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
We are not amused.
(j/k nice list!)
October 17th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
the memento mori thing is freaky
November 5th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Good site.I’m English, and we still have terrible food but we love it!!! ha ha
November 9th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
i am studdyying victorians in year 6 and its the first time.Today we all hade to research the victorian children punishment and its very shocking.the ungiest child ever to be hung was 2 and a half years old:(