10 Symbols Whose Origins Have Been Forgotten
- Published September 19, 2009 by SharonE - 147 Comments
Everyday we interact with others – often with symbols or phrases whose origins are now long forgotten. This list explores some of the most common of these phrases, traditions, and gestures. If you know of others, be sure to share them in the comments for all to learn about.
Lovers of mysteries know that a “red herring” is a false clue given to divert attention from the track of the real criminal. This one, however, began with an actual fish. Bloodhounds, the sharpest trackers in the world, are difficult to lose when on a scent. But a red herring, especially if it is a day or two out of the water, can produce a scent strong enough to confuse any hound if the fish is drug on the ground behind the escaping criminal.
Shaking hands in greeting or to seal a contract has been done since at least the second century BC. The gesture demonstrates that the hand holds no weapon, and is a symbol of good sportsmanship, equality, and trust. Shaking the right hands sealed a bargain, but it was important not to use the left hand, as the left hand handshake dissolved a bargain.
For many years, American president Theodore Roosevelt held the world record for handshakes. On January 1, 1907, President Roosevelt shook 8, 513 hands at a White House reception. The record was broken in July, 19 77 by a New Jersey mayor, Joseph Lazaron, who shook 11,000 hands in a single day.
The two-finger V sign has had prominent displays. Many people remember American president Richard Nixon flashing a V, and Winston Churchill, who used it to stand for victory. Churchill turned the V around with the palm facing outward to avoid the obscene connotation the symbol has acquired in Great Britain if performed with the palm facing inward.
In the 1960s, the V became a symbol for peace. Today it is commonly used as a peace sign, the signature greeting of celebrities, including Lindsay Lohan. The V sign was first used, as far as we know, by British bowmen after winning the Battle of Agincourt in 1415. The French bowmen had threatened to cut off the first two fingers – those that hold the arrow in place – of the British bowmen. After the battle, the British archers flashed their first two fingers to show that they were still intact. [Verification - Massey University]
The custom of blessing a person who sneezes has various origins. It was once thought that sneezing might release one’s soul, which was then prey to lurking evil spirits, so a person needed to be blessed. It was therefore considered bad luck to open the mouth again to thank the person for the blessing, as the evil spirits would have another chance to enter.
Another theory is that sneezing was an indication of robust good health, and that blessing the person sneezing was a form of congratulation. Most responses to sneezes, such as the German “Geshundheit!” wish the sneezer good health and/or a long life.
The thumbs up sign is most commonly (but wrongly) thought to descend from gladiatorial contests in which the audience determined whether the combatant was eligible to live or die by a thumbs up/ thumbs down vote. But there are other theories. There is a old English saying ‘Here’s my thumb on it!’ which was used to seal a bargain. The two people involved each wetted a thumb and then extended it, held upwards, until the two raised thumbs came into contact with one another. It is easy to see how this custom could lead to, or support the idea of holding out a raised thumb as a sign of friendly agreement or approval. The signal has also been used by some ape species, who may just be celebrating the fact that they, like we, have opposable thumbs in the first place.
The military salute is traditionally performed by touching the eyebrow with four fingers together. Roman soldiers are thought to have initiated the procedure as a sign of shielding their eyes from the great light of their superior officers. Knights may have used it to raise their helmets as an indication that they did not intend to fight. This theory is supported by the fact that the helmet on a suit of armor is called a “sallet,” very close to the word “salute.”
The so-called Roman salute, used in the 20th century as a symbol of Fascism, has no Roman record in discourse or art. In Germany, that salute is now prohibited, punishable by up to three years in prison.
Crossing your fingers to hope for good luck used to require two people – the forefinger of one to make the wish, and of the other to support it. The cross formed was a symbol of unity and strength, and was used to ward off witches. Crossing your fingers, of course, can also be used to nullify a promise. In that case, the middle finger crossing over the index finger leaves a loophole the false promiser plans to exploit.
Rochambeau, or rock, paper, scissors, is played all over the world as a means of resolving difficult disagreements. In one unusual case, a Florida judge tired of endless debating over the appropriate venue for depositions to be taken and ordered the participants to settle the case by an RPS game.
In Indonesia, it is earwig, human, and elephant. The earwig drives the elephant insane. The human crushes the earwig, and the elephant crushes the human. One amazingly complex version has 101 different gestures and 5050 possible non-tied results. If you’re ready to take it to another level, consult the World RPS Society. If you find out why it is called Rochambeau, please let them know. It’s still a mystery.
The source of the ubiquitous “OK” or “Okay” is lost to history, but there are many theories. One is that in the 1830s there was a rash of comic misspellings and shortened communications. NG was commonly read to mean, “No go.” SP meant small potatoes, and OK stood for “Oll Korrect.”
Another theory is that the symbol represented American president Martin Van Buren, often referred to as “Old Kinderhook.” Others say that French soldiers during the American revolution would invite girls to meet them “aux cayes,” down at the docks.
Still another possibility is that bad handwriting caused the OK to flourish. It should have been OR – standing for “order received.” Others think that Obadiah Kelley, an early railroad agent, certified bills with his initials. It is often said that American president Andrew Jackson learned a similar word from Choctaw Native Americans and popularized it. What do you think?
Most historians agree that Christ was most likely born in the spring, when Mary and Joseph went to pay their taxes. If that is the case, why do we celebrate Christmas in the wintertime? Pope Gregory can be thanked. He ordered the absorption of other religious festivals into Christianity. Pagan celebrations lightened the burden of cold, dark winters, and evergreen trees were a symbol of hope, that spring and new life would return. It was a natural fit with Christ’s promise of resurrection.
Christmas trees as we know them probably began in the 16th century. It is said that Martin Luther, walking home at night, saw stars through the branches of evergreens and found it a beautiful sight. When he duplicated the effect by putting candles on an evergreen, the modern Christmas tree was born.
Early Christians in the English-speaking world avoided Christmas trees, seeing them as a pagan custom. They became popular in America in the 1820s among Pennsylvania Germans, and the idea spread from there.
St. Nikolaas himself actually lived in Turkey in the 4th century. Known for his kindness and generosity, he was a delegate to Constantine’s Council of Nicea in A.D. 325. His name was eventually shortened from St. Nikolaas to Sinterklaas, and to Santa Claus.
Candy canes? Formed into shepherds’ staffs in the 1700s to transform a simple candy into a Christian symbol. Holly? Christ’s crown of thorns. Gift-giving? What the Wise Men started. Carols? What the angels sang. A star atop the tree? The new star said to have been first seen on the night of Christ’s birth.
Many well-meaning Christians are upset by Xmas, rather than Christmas, on Christmas cards and greetings. They see the X as a way to “take Christ out of Christmas.” Actually, the opposite is true. X is the Greek letter Chi, the first letter of the word Christ. It was used originally to prevent the disrespectful overuse of the Savior’s title in greetings and correspondence.























September 19th, 2009 at 1:49 am
brilliant list
September 19th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Isn’t the story about the archers holding up their fingers an urban legend?
September 19th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Really interesting list, but does anyone know why British and American soldiers salute differently? (You can see it in the picture for number 5.)
September 19th, 2009 at 1:53 am
interesting list
September 19th, 2009 at 2:14 am
Wow! I have to say, I never really considered the origins of any of these, I just used them thoughtlessly. Thanks for the really interesting list.
Ny ~♪
September 19th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Number 8 isn’t true by the way, it’s something of an urban legend. There’s basically no evidence for it.
September 19th, 2009 at 2:18 am
i was told that blessing someone when they sneezed originated from the days of plague, when someone sneezed, you blessed them to help protect them from catching the sickness
September 19th, 2009 at 2:19 am
haha! Glad there will be a new list for the day! Ok so this should be a great addition to the list. When and whom did the f***(_-|–) sign come from? it should be here. Whose origin was it?
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September 19th, 2009 at 2:20 am
Great list.
What is the origin of the high five?
September 19th, 2009 at 2:22 am
gyzmo(7): So you bless them from getting sneezed because the bacteria from the plague has entered their noses and bless them for they had getting rig of it but the fucking bacteria clinged to your clothes and sniffed them and you got the plague.
September 19th, 2009 at 2:38 am
Um the man in the suit in no. 5 doesn’t look like he is saluting and why does the British mate got a backward salute while American salute is forward? and the lst if translated to Greek-American would be ChiMas?
September 19th, 2009 at 2:43 am
Three years?!
Note to self: never bring hand close to face in Germany.
September 19th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Great list.
About No. 2, what I’ve heard is that its origins are from WW1, when, after a battle or a raid, British soldiers were regrouping in their camps. The number of victims that day was written on a big wooden board in front of the camp (for example 210K=210 killed). Of course, the best news were when none of the soldiers were killed that day, therefore OK. Sounds a lot like an urban legend though.
September 19th, 2009 at 2:57 am
@saber25 (11): The chi is symbolic of the first letter for the name. XMas is properly pronounced “Christmas” not “ecks-mas”.
September 19th, 2009 at 2:58 am
@Garash (12): I think it is shocking – a law which puts you in jail for that action is a bad law because it doesn’t take into account the fact that it may be used by an actor in a German film, or many of the various reasons you might use it without intending it to suggest that you are a supporter of Nazi ideals.
September 19th, 2009 at 2:59 am
Very cool list, SharonE! I only knew of 2 of these previously. I found number 8 to be the most interesting. Although the salute was a close second. Hard to believe that the average joe (not a solider) could get up to 3 years in jail for it though.
September 19th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Ok thanks for correcting me JFrater I’ll just read other lists by now. I once read Xmas too by lousy cell phone texts like saying “Gud day 2 u ol nd Meri Xmas!” heh, maybe too tired.
September 19th, 2009 at 3:05 am
@gyzmo (7): I have heard that too
September 19th, 2009 at 3:06 am
@Katsuro (6): This may be another case of Snopes being wrong – a rare thing but it does happen. According to Wikipedia: “Historian Juliet Barker quotes Jean Le Fevre (who fought on the English side at Agincourt) as saying that Henry V included a reference to the French cutting off longbowmen’s fingers in his pre-battle speech.”
September 19th, 2009 at 3:11 am
For no.2 on the list, one of the theories about the term ‘OK’ is that during historic civil wars messages were sent after a battle indicating the number of casualties. 0 killed, was a clear indicator of an easy victory. Which later started to be taken as “OK”
Not sure how much i believe this ( especially since i couldn’t find any proper references) but it’s an interesting anecdote
September 19th, 2009 at 3:12 am
@DC – From what I understand from what a sailor friend of mine has said is that for Americans (Navy especially) enlisted men are apparently not allowed to show dirty hands to an officer… Therefore the inward facing salute.
Whereas commonwealth forces don’t seem to have that issue. I do know from watching episodes of Hornblower, set in the 1700’s or so. The British naval salute was more like the symbolic tipping of a hat
Anyone could correct me on this?
September 19th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Great list!!!…..very informative
September 19th, 2009 at 3:56 am
#3 the gesture in Indonesia is not like rock paper scissor. we only use 1 finger at a time. the thumb is for the elephant, the index finger is the human, and the little finger is for the earwig. sometimes earwig can sometimes be changed into ant.
September 19th, 2009 at 4:01 am
IT’S “BC” NOT “BCE”, YOU POLITICALLY CORRECT BUFFOONS
September 19th, 2009 at 4:26 am
The story of Agincourt inspiring the 2 fingered salute is almost certainly false; the earliest reference of the 2 fingered salute being an insult is 1901 – 5 centuries after Agincourt.
September 19th, 2009 at 4:29 am
About the shake hands thing; I think the Sultan of Brunei should also be mentioned here. Every year he shakes hand with hundred thousands of people, especially during Eid, he opens his royal residence to the public just to meet and greet them. He usually does this 3 days in a row every year. He is known by the people as the richest man and yet very generous towards his people. You can check that out.
September 19th, 2009 at 4:46 am
@5 & @3 the no. 5 on the list is a photo of british and iraqi soldiers not british and american
September 19th, 2009 at 4:47 am
sorry its @11 not @5
September 19th, 2009 at 4:47 am
what about the middle finger stuck out?
should be on the list also
September 19th, 2009 at 5:04 am
do your research better next time- 8 was made up in modern times and is nothing to do with archers especially as the french would execute archers or release them as they were peasants and worth no money in random so they had no need to cut fingers off.
September 19th, 2009 at 5:06 am
6 is also completely false.
also the salute is done differently in different countries- i think the polish only use two finger
September 19th, 2009 at 5:23 am
@Ralph (23): I am sure there was no need to shout. I agree with you – BCE is a politically correct term which is entirely unnecessary – I missed in the editing stage. I have now changed it to the CORRECT form of “BC”.
September 19th, 2009 at 5:32 am
@alexman (30): Six has been rectified, eight is correct.
September 19th, 2009 at 5:37 am
What’s wrong with BCE? It just means Before Common Era instead of Before Christ which is a little-Christian-centric.
Smashing list by the way!
September 19th, 2009 at 5:41 am
@archangel (34): BC is the standard method of describing the era we live in – to add an ‘e’ just to exclude Christ is ridiculous considering it still uses the same year count – indicative of a politically correct change. We don’t do PC at listverse
September 19th, 2009 at 5:48 am
Concerning my last comment – the term in modern use came from Jewish scholars who wished to not refer to Christ: “Some Jewish academics were already using the CE and BCE abbreviations by the mid-19th century, such as in 1856, when Rabbi and historian, Morris Jacob Raphall used the abbreviation in his book, Post-Biblical History of The Jews.”
I would say, consequently, than BCE is a little Jewish-centric. The majority of our readers come from countries with a Christian background and not a Jewish one, so it makes sense to be consistent with our dating system. Plus I am a bit old fashioned and see no reason to change the way we write our dates after one thousand six hundred years of doing it that way
September 19th, 2009 at 6:26 am
the v sign and the archers is an urban myth. the handshake is what people used to de as a way of showing that they are unarmed as holding out your open hand shows that you don’t have a weapon.
September 19th, 2009 at 6:51 am
Interesting list! When I read the title I thought you meant real symbols (like the ankh, cross etc), but this is good, too.
And yay for the mention of Sinterklaas/Santa Claus! It is very frustrating to see that here, in the Netherlands, where we still celebrate Sinterklaas, Christmas is taking over more and more, while it is basically the same thing!
Sinterklaas is more traditional, I suppose, and less about world peace and reflection and all that – it’s actually one of those few festivals that everybody here knows about and pretty much everyone celebrates.
Anyway, very cool list.
September 19th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Regarding 5 (salute), I doubt the word “salute” has anything to do with “sallet.” The Oxford English Dictionary lists the first recorded use of “sallet” about 60 years AFTER the first recorded use of “salute.” Apparently, “salute” comes from the Latin salus, meaning health, because its first meaning was “To accost or address with words expressive of good wishes, respect, or homage, esp. with some customary formula of that import.” (OED)
September 19th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Great list! I thought that “bless you” began during the Black Death, as a sneeze was one of the first symptoms of the disease. People would bless you because there was no longer any hope for you… that could be just a myth.
September 19th, 2009 at 7:11 am
I must ask as the silly American, what is the obscene connotation in Great Britain with the V? Is it like giving the middle finger in the States?
September 19th, 2009 at 7:15 am
this is the most interesting list that has been published in listverse for a while
(personal opinion, no haters please)
September 19th, 2009 at 7:22 am
@deepthinker (41):
my guess is, it means a woman’s part (forgot how to spell that)
as i know another sign in which you put your tongue between the V sign with your palm facing yourself which means licking the woman’s part (forgot the name for it)
September 19th, 2009 at 7:24 am
(Thanks, Rufus) haha.
September 19th, 2009 at 7:30 am
This is a dumb list
September 19th, 2009 at 7:42 am
Informative, I enjoyed thanks.
September 19th, 2009 at 7:45 am
The title of this list is misleading. The list contradicts itself by giving the actual origins of these symbols, thus proving that they haven’t been long forgotten.
It should be titled something along the lines of “The origins behind 10 everyday symbols”.
September 19th, 2009 at 8:14 am
@ Garash (12): The one that is banned is not the one we see in the picture with the hand near the head but the one with the right arm fully extended. The one that was accompanied by a “heil hitler!” yell in those days. I am sure you must have seen that one in the movies =)
@ jfrater (15): It really is not as strict as you make it sound. Actually your intention as you make that gesture is taken into account and of course no actor would be convicted (unless they were shooting a nazi propaganda movie =) ). And the three years is also the theoretical maximum that will never be reached unless someone is stupid enough to try that while appearing on a kid’s show on tv wearing a swastika t-shirt or something like that…
September 19th, 2009 at 8:28 am
i know another one for why we say bless you. My mother told me that every time you sneeze, your heart stops. Therefor, we say bless you, to get their heart going again
September 19th, 2009 at 8:31 am
The German equivalent to bless you is correctly spelled “Gesundheit”, wich means health. But originally this wish was not intended for the sneezer, but the one saying it wishes himself to stay healthy and not catch the sneezers illnes as well.
September 19th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Number 8 is an urban myth, there’s nothing to support that theory.
September 19th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Practical use of Rock, Paper, Scissors to resolve difficult disagreement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuagoUK17Cg
September 19th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Jamie nice to see you firing on all cylenders earlier – 8 comments in one list that must be a record.
September 19th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Good list but a couple of things not accurate on this one.
No 9 Handshake, fencers handshake is left handed with weapon in right hand( even for left handers)
No 6 The thum is now beliveved to be in a horisontal position pointing to the heart fot end ex.
5 Salute, untill relativly recently the western salute was fist against chest, the Roman of Nazi salute was never adopted I believe except for the elite or officer corps. In Eastern societys it was bowing of the head.
Regards.
Enjoyed the list.
September 19th, 2009 at 10:04 am
you totally should have done the “evil eye” thing that Ronnie James Dio does that means “metaL” nowadays but came from his sicilian grandmother
September 19th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I’m not sure about the relation between Sinterklaas and Santa Claus (in 1)
‘Sinterklaas’ is celebrated in Belgium on the 6th of December (the christian day ‘Nicolaas’). Christmas, off course, is not.
In some regions in Belgium ‘Sinterklaas’ is not celebrated while Sint-Maarten (11 November) is. The idea behind both is the same though if i am not mistaken.
September 19th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Top-notch list! Rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock anyone?
September 19th, 2009 at 10:27 am
The 70’s show had an episode where they played a version of RPS using cockroach, bomb, foot. The foot smashes the cockroach, the bomb kills the foot, and the cockroach survives the bomb. Funny. I showed it to my six year old and she came up with the version duck, cockroach, bomb, and also toilet, poop, hand. Yo figure it out. It is actually a very good mind game for kids to have them try to create new RPS type games. Fun times.
September 19th, 2009 at 10:28 am
saber25: the man in the suit is an official, not a military member and it is not proper for him to reder a salute. His head is bowed, a proper equivalent for apparently a memorial service they are attending.
In America, being always the ones looking for a quicker and easier way to do everything, we have always interpreted “Xmas” to be a harmless shorthand that phonetically is “cross-mas.” In this way, we can save up all those fractions of seconds to use fighting communism or something. LOL and Cheers!
September 19th, 2009 at 10:28 am
OOPS, meant to say YOU try to figure it out. I am not that hip.
September 19th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Anyone who was an avid viewer of Home Improvement knew the origins of the handshake. Thanks Wilson!
September 19th, 2009 at 11:09 am
The two fingered gesture means F*** you/ off in the UK.
September 19th, 2009 at 11:19 am
One of the better lists to come out in a while.
September 19th, 2009 at 11:51 am
The picture of the hand in #2 has a WHOLE other connotation in Brazil, so I would advise against using that particular gesture there. Just use the thumbs up gesture for OK!
September 19th, 2009 at 11:57 am
It is interesting that you mention the military salute with the mis-named “roman salute” but their relationship is not mentioned. The “roman salute” came from the military salute, via the Pledge of Allegiance, which began with a military salute that was then stretched out toward the flag. The Roman salute myth (and the phrase) developed decades after the pledge (which was written in 1892). See the work of the historian Dr. Rex Curry (author of “Pledge of Allegiance Secrets”).
September 19th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
What about the Peace Sign? It was originally used as a symbol for nuclear disarmament, but lost it’s original meaning within a year to become a symbol for hippies.
September 19th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
The information about Christmas seems to contradict the Bonus item published in a list last year:
http://listverse.com/2008/12/21/another-10-great-christmas-stories/
September 19th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I don’t know what new meaning you gave to these symbols but for me it remains with the original meaning. Well, of course not all of them..
September 19th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
According to Wikipedia (who’s always right, eh?
) the three year punishment for using the Hitlergroß is not applied if the usage is obviously ironic. So I can understand the law now. Not saying that it’s correct, but I understand it.
Fantastic list, as always! I love culutural stuff like this
September 19th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Sorry for the accidental change in title of the list – I have restored it to its original now.
September 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
interesting list Sharone, no2, the okay sign, is also sometimes used as a representation of 666 by those inclined that way
September 19th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
I am disappointed that toasting (clinking glasses against each other) is not present. Originally it was used when enemies met and ate together (usually for treaties). Each would ensure a small amount of their drink went into the other person’s glass to make sure their drink was not poisoned.
September 19th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Not being British myself, and gaining most of my knowledge of their customs from Jane Austin and Monty Python, I don’t have much authority to comment on the two-fingered insult. But I will, anyway…
We always called it “splitters” and had the back of the hand facing the receiver, with a bit of the thumb showing at the base of the “V.” We assumed the fingers signified a woman’s split legs and the thumb… well, I’ll leave that to your imagination. All my Monty Python-loving friends use this insult on each other, although I’m sure it was never seen on their shows or in their movies. I wonder where we picked it up? Hmmm… maybe from The Young Ones?
Can anyone from GB verify or correct that?
September 19th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
What about the wink?
September 19th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Im a very devout christian and I WONT write Christs name in xmas anymore. Its not his bday nor about Him. Christmas is still an evil pagan holiday just as Easter and Halloween are and it still to this day shocks me to my core how many well meaning christians are sucked into the lie. I was for years too but you really need to be questioning sharing a “religious” holiday with atheists, agnostics and every other kind of idol worshiper.
WAKE UP CHRISTIANS!! YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED.
September 19th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
I can’t remember where I’d heard this, so it’s probably an urban legend, but I’ve always thought the X in Xmas was symbolic of the cross.
September 19th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
@Stacy Braswell (75): Christmas as a Christian festival started off very early – it coincided with the pagan day celebrating the birth of the sun. It was not considered by the Christians to be pagan – in fact this is what Saint Cyprian said:
“O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born…Christ should be born”
September 19th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Christ wasnt even born around xmas. Also, he never once told us to celebrate His birth and especially NOT with trees and santa and gifts. Xmas is a 100% man made holiday. Just like most religions are man made religions. Wouldnt you rather be doing what Yeshua said to do? Honoring the feasts he TOLD us to honor? Wouldnt you rather be a part of G-ds religion instead of one created by a man?
September 19th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
@deepthinker (41) – the two finger backwards V is the same as doing the middle finger. We use both in Australia. It just means ‘up yours’ or ‘f*** off’. The V in front of the mouth with the tongue is meant to be a womans part but just using your fingers like the middle finger has nothing to do with womens parts.
September 19th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Here is a macabre tidbit: Supposedly, Christmas Carols were named such because of a young girl who went missing in London during Jack the Ripper’s reign of terror.
In 1888, Carol Poles disappeared a week before Christmas, and many people joined the search party. However, because of the recent activity of Jack the Ripper, many people were reluctant to answer their doors. To announce their non-violent intentions, the search parties sang Christmas songs when they approached. Although little Carol was never found, they referred to the tradition of singing songs as Christmas Carols, and the tradition continues to this day. Here is a video which details it all (the bit about Carols begins at about 8:30):
And the link just in case the embed doesn’t work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiHXPCqCFH0
I haven’t heard of this origin story other than the video, but it’s worth looking into (I will probably do so after posting this).
@jfrater (77): What about this for a list? Pleasant and Common Traditions with Bizarre or Macabre Origins. Eh?
And I could’t help but notice the timeliness of this list with the very recent release of Dan Brown’s new book The Lost Symbol. Coincidence?
September 19th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
I thought the list was great! Good job!
September 19th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Please note: if you drag a herring behind you while being tracked by hounds, they are probably going to find you even faster!
September 19th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Two thumbs up on this one!
September 19th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
great list, it is crazy how the origins of many things we say or do today are unknown … also , alot better than that cheese lists . lol
September 19th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
How has no one posted this yet? http://baseballbatyouth.com/Rock_Paper_Scissors.html
September 19th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
if the fish is drug(?) on the ground
September 19th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
@Huh? (87): drug, past tense of drag. used in place of dragged
September 19th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
great list!
about the “bless you” origins.. one theory says that when you sneeze, your heart stops beating for a second.. we say “bless you” because the person is “blessed” by still being alive after that split-second-heart-stopping event.. =)
September 19th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
There is a different saying for 7 in Turkey. When someone sneezes you say “live long” and the person replies “you see it” meaning witness that i live long, like saying you live long too. Just putting it out there.
September 19th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
All the search results at dictionary.com give the past tense form as “dragged”. wikitionary gives “dragged” but adds “in some dialects, drug”. One website calls it “an Americanism”, but it may have originated (and still be used) in rural England.
September 20th, 2009 at 12:07 am
@Pout (56):
Its not only a Belgium celebration, it’s originaly from the Netherlands. We dutchies concider ‘Sinterklaas’ as our #1 top favorit “typical dutch” list.
No Sinterklaas, No Holland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas
September 20th, 2009 at 12:24 am
@JFrater (32)
“BC is the standard method of describing the era we live in”
huh?
not the era we live in…
How about AD or CE? Try Cenozoic next time.
fun list though
September 20th, 2009 at 2:14 am
@astraya (90): bit like them poms what say et instead of ate, innit?
September 20th, 2009 at 2:26 am
@#90 drug isn’t used in rural England as far as I know, we say dragged. Just so you know
September 20th, 2009 at 3:12 am
The x mark is called a criss, while the + is a cross. Hense x-mas or Crissmas (Christmas).
September 20th, 2009 at 4:32 am
Umm, in countries like Britain & Australia, the V sign is an insult when you use the sign backwords unlike the peace sign which is use with the palm facing the person. Churchill used the V sign either as a symbol for victory, or to insult the Axis Powers. Either way.
September 20th, 2009 at 4:42 am
@Ralph (24):
Yeah, I agree! It’s BC not BCE. And I don’t care if BC is politically incorrect. The BC/AD system is the most common used year labeling system in the world. Even some Muslims use it, even though BC means “Before Christ”. Plus, if you noticed, the BCE/CE system has some flaws. Like for example, you wrote “CE’ when you actually ment “BCE”. And also, there is no such thing as a “Common Era”. Different cultures have different year systems.
September 20th, 2009 at 6:59 am
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September 20th, 2009 at 7:40 am
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September 20th, 2009 at 8:12 am
@capt (9):
High Fives originated in Africa. It was how the natives greeted each other. It has a very similar meaning to a European Handshake.
@Garash (12):
The Roman Salute is holding your right hand out straight at a 45 degree angle. It’s the same salute Hitler co-opted for the Nazi Regime. The salute has become synonymous with racism and intolerance and Germany has been trying to stamp it out for decades.
@gr81disp (72):
Really? That’s very interesting. I didn’t know that.
@Stacy Braswell (75):
The whole story of Christ is taken from other religions and mythologies – some as early as 3500 BC. It’s based on a ‘Hero’ archetype that many cultures had co-opted from each other over the 5,000 years prior to the Council of Nicea.
Christmas is just the latest addition to that long winded tale. Lookup the references between Horus, Dionysus, Krishna, Attus and Christ (among many others) and you will see many, MANY more “pagan” inspired similarities.
You were right about one thing: Christians are being deceived – but far more than you probably realise. The entire religion is a co-opted mythology – just like all the others before it.
@Matunos (82):
The idea is to drag the herring behind you for some distrance in the WRONG direction, drop it, and then run away in the OPPOSITE direction.
September 20th, 2009 at 10:10 am
this list is a little simplistic. for a deeper understanding of symbols that we use everyday, google LADY GAGA ILLUMINATI SYMBOLISM and you’ll get an education.
September 20th, 2009 at 10:36 am
The hand gesture for “okay” looks very similar to a Japanese gesture meaning “money”
September 20th, 2009 at 11:38 am
I remember reading somewhere the ‘history’ behind the ‘Be on my right.’
If I’m not mistaken (some time from I read… =P) was because being seated at the right of someone, (if you were an assassin) will left you with more problems trying to hold a knife and kill your prey, if you were a right-handed.
Something similar with bumping cups (??). Both cups should drip (splash?) into the other(s). So, if one cup has poison, all will have it due to the mixing of wine due to the splash of the bump.
(Ignore the bad grammar… my head is not thinking accurately.)
September 20th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
@Aramid (95): The x mark is called a criss, while the + is a cross. Hense x-mas or Crissmas (Christmas).
Hmm, makes sense if true, but what about the other common usage of x as abbreviation – “xfer” for the word “transfer”? (I’m kinda surprised no one has brought this one up yet)
September 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
(From Urban Dictionary)Rochambeau:
1. A name used originally by people playing Ultimate (Ultimate Frisbee) for the game Rock Paper Scissors. Used to determine who would throw first. Also written Roshambo and Row-Sham-Bow.
2. A different game under the same name created by the TV show South Park where two people would kick each other in the crotch until one of them would fall over or gives-up, used to determine the winner of an argument.
The later is the better known use for the word.
September 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
#1 looks like a red herring to me…
September 20th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
The last one was really interesting : )
Especially about the candy canes and stuff
Thanks for another great list!
September 20th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Another explanation for OK is that it stands for the Greek phrase Ola Kala, everything’s good/beautiful. My old Greek teacher insisted that one of the former president’s secretaries (I don’t remember which) was Greek, and abbreviated “OK” across the top of memos, etc. to indicate they’d been proof-read. Of course, she also insisted that the Founding Fathers considered making Greek our official language instead of English, so I’d take that with a grain of salt
September 20th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
one of the things i heard about the whole bless you when you sneeze thing was during the black plague when someone sneezed it meant they were sick and prob. going to die so people would say god bless you….
September 20th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
I remember when Bill Clinton (I think) visited Australia when he was the Prez. He gave the V for Victory sign to the adoring, flag waving crowd, but over here it means “get fucked.” They weren’t waving the flags quite so vigorously after that! Thanks for the laugh Bill.
September 20th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Another one for #2
Many Greeks believe that OK originates from the Greek words “Ola Kala” (Meaning All Good)!
September 20th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
What about the wink??
September 21st, 2009 at 12:35 am
that lindsay lohan reference in #8 seems completely unnecessary…anime girls do it all the time. informative list though.
September 21st, 2009 at 12:58 am
You forgot to mention the Greek explanation.
OK stands for Ola Kala (All well, everything is good),which is the true meaning of OK.
September 21st, 2009 at 1:36 am
Did you know if you upside-down the OK sign on pictured on #2, it means “you are gay”. I think the wide circle you made with your hand symbols your widen a s s h o l e.
At least around this part of the Earth.
And Muslims have no problem with BC because we believe in Christ, duh…
September 21st, 2009 at 4:07 am
Wow, now I know what OK stands for. I’ve always wondered!
September 21st, 2009 at 5:50 am
Not sure if this is correct or not but: the American military would only salute with their palm out if they were to lose a war.
September 21st, 2009 at 6:05 am
Excellent list! Not sure if this has been said yet, but its very unlikely that the V sign as an insult originated from medieval times. Hostages were taken regularly in battles, and if the hostage takers won theyd use the archers again. So no point in maiming a perfectly good soldier.
September 21st, 2009 at 10:48 am
I don’t see why BCE should be considered ‘politically correct’ – based on the comments here, it would seem that it is in fact politically INcorrect to use it, precisely because it offends some people’s delicate sensibilities. Therefore making it cool, and therefore correct.
;^)
September 21st, 2009 at 1:28 pm
@Bob Loblaw (119): thats what I thought…
September 21st, 2009 at 1:44 pm
@Ozhan (115):
Oh, I was going to mention that… All the LatAm countries I´ve been to interpret the upside down OK sign as “you´re gay” so I would suggest visitors be very careful if you feel you just HAVE to use it (avoid it if you can)… Considering the macho sensibilities of LatAm males, you could very well find youself on the losing end of a fist.
September 21st, 2009 at 4:31 pm
I saw somewhere, many years ago, that the handshake was started in ancient greece by mathematicians. apparently they held some late-night secret club, where one can assume they played dungeons and dragons, and in order to gain entry they would have to shake hands with the doorman. drawn on the back of their hands would be a pentagram, and i can’t remember why. something to do with the length of each line in the pentagram. Nerds.
September 21st, 2009 at 4:41 pm
The picture accompanying item 5 shows two different salutes. I’ve heard that the palm down salute is done only by undefeated armies, and the palm forward salute implies a defeated army, where the salute means a way of waving off any reminders of the defeat.
BTW, funny how the US soldiers in the pic salute palm down, and the French palm forward…
September 21st, 2009 at 7:06 pm
I’ve heard many things about, “the middle finger”, so I’m not sure which one is true. One of the origin’s of the middle finger that I know is when the French and English were at war, and the French would cut off the middle fingers of the defeated English men making them incapable of shooting their bow. The English soldiers who had not been captured yet, would then show off their middle fingers to the French showing that they still had all their fingers. Yeah.
September 21st, 2009 at 11:16 pm
that CHRISTMAS STORY IS BS LOOK UP MUSHROOMS SHAMANS CHRISTMAS shamans used to go out and collect magic mushrooms and trip on christmas 6000 years ago.
September 22nd, 2009 at 2:27 am
almost all of them are connected with hands! interesting!
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 am
coolness! worth reading list!
September 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 am
Rochambeau
French commandar at Yorktown
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Another meaning of crossed fingers is a military one. Showing crossed fingers can be interpreted as doing something under duress or against your will. There is a famous picture of a soldier shaking hands with Hillary Clinton and on his left hand he has his fingers crossed. He later explained he had to take the picture for PR but he wanted his family members and colleagues to know he wasn’t a supporter of the Clintons. This is back when Bill was Pres. It also means falsehood or if you cross your fingers while making a promise it counteracts the promise. I’ve also heard that crossing your left hand is bad luck, while you cross your right hand for good luck.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Let’s put X back in Xmas.
September 22nd, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Huh…this is a REALLY REALLY cool list!! I didn’t know any of these.
A lil’ fun fact about #7: During WWII, congress passed a law that made it illegal to say “Geshundheit” to a sneezer, and it’s still a law today!
Jus thought you might get a lil kick outta that.
September 23rd, 2009 at 4:52 am
What about the meaning of the pentagram? Originally used by the pagans to represent feminine fertility… It symbolizes the orbit of Venus. Now it represents Satanism?
September 23rd, 2009 at 5:01 am
The reason Christ’s birth is associated with Christmas is because it’s a symbolic appreciation rather than a literal one. You see it symbolizes nature. The 25th of December has been an auspicious day since the beginning of mankind. There is a very interesting phenomenon that occurs around December 25th, or the winter solstice. From the summer solstice to the winter solstice, the days become shorter and colder. From the perspective of the northern hemisphere, the sun appears to move south and get smaller and more scarce. The shortening of the days and the expiration of the crops when approaching the winter solstice symbolized the process of death to the ancients. It was the death of the Sun. By December 22nd, the Sun’s demise was fully realized, for the Sun, having moved south continually for 6 months, makes it to it’s lowest point in the sky. Here a curious thing occurs: the Sun stops moving south, at least perceivably, for 3 days. During this 3 day pause, the Sun resides in the vicinity of the Southern Cross, or Crux, constellation. And after this time on December 25th, the Sun moves 1 degree, this time north, foreshadowing longer days, warmth, and Spring. And thus it was said: the Sun died on the cross, was dead for 3 days, only to be resurrected or born again. This is why Jesus and numerous other Sun Gods share the crucifixion, 3-day death, and resurrection concept. It is the Sun’s transition period before it shifts its direction back into the Northern Hemisphere, bringing Spring, and thus salvation.
Complements: Zeitgeist – The Movie
September 23rd, 2009 at 10:23 am
i’m an english longbowman and a member of one of the oldest longbow societies there is
trust me, 8 is false
you use three fingers to fire a bow
its well known as a myth and pre dates agincourt
September 23rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Awesome list. Interesting comments. Good job SharonE
September 23rd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
@sonicsuicide (133):
So what does that mean to all us Southern Hemisphere types? Considering we get the exact opposite effect, are we celebrating Christmas on the day the Sun´s death starts?
Your comment was too Nothern Hemisphere-centric…..
September 24th, 2009 at 9:19 am
The shaking of hands is commonly referred to an act of trust between men who show both had their right hands unarmed. this refers to the roman era, when the sword would be used always with the right hand.
OK comes from the american civil war, when this would be written in the medic stand to show there was zero (O) Killed(K) in battle that day.
i still dont know how you havent found this, congratz for the list.
September 24th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
@ianz09 (87): bollocks
September 26th, 2009 at 8:55 am
@Huh? (138): It’s technically improper (I thought they were both proper, I was wrong), but many people still use it. Sooooooo in that case, jfrater, there’s a grammar mistake in item #10
October 7th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
amazing list…hehe
October 8th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Did you know the Nazi Swastika was developed from an internationally recognized sign meaning peace? It was turned on it’s side, and the colour scheme changed. Yeah. Apparently, Hilter had a sick sense of humor.
October 19th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Now then, OK was the initials of Oscar Karlsson a Swedish descended inspector of Ford cars.
Oscar would take them for a test drive and because they all looked the same, black, would write his initials in yellow chalk on the windscreen.
Hence the car had been OK’d and could be delvered. Easy.
October 19th, 2009 at 9:58 am
The “V” sign used by Churchill, stems from Agincourt when the English bowmen would wave their two fingers at the French as a signal that they could still draw the bow strings.
October 19th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
sonicsuicide, while it’s true that Christianity “borrowed” a lot from many different religions and is essentially ridiculous, Zeitgeist the movie is a crock of shit. If you really want to be a skeptic, you’d look into the sources used to make zeitgeist and realize that what most of them say are just plain wrong.
I’ll bet you think people will take a single book to be 100% true without any other evidence are “sheep”–and you’re right in assuming that–but the same thing can be said for people who do the same thing with a movie.
October 19th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Don’t kno if anybody got to it, but “the saying goes…….” Americans salute different from anybody else cuz we’ve never officially lost a war. Least thas what they’ve been telling us in the Good ole Marine Corps
November 1st, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Didn’t the “V” sign use to be an insult in Medieval Europe also?
November 7th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Rochambeau… roch amb eau? rock and water?