When FlameHorse sent this list in, I was rather surprised to find that after two and a half years, we have not features a list of greatest composers! We have had influential composers, composers you didn’t know, and composers who died odd deaths. So, filling in the gap we now present the greatest composers ever.
The father of the modern symphony and the inventor of the string quartet. He wrote 340 hours of music, more than any other composer. His symphonies, though, leave a lot to be desired, as he himself said on his deathbed, “I have just figured out how to use the winds.” They are more like 1 symphony with 103 variations.
He invented the string quartet when only three members of an ensemble were able to attend a recital. A violinist, a violist, and a cellist. Haydn quickly re-orchestrated one of his composition scheduled for that evening, for a quartet including himself as a second violinist. He liked the sound so much that he decided to write more music for the orchestration.
Also an outstanding opera, oratorio and mass composer, although his operas were intended for Count Esterhazy’s personal opera house. Haydn explained that they should never be performed anywhere else. His string quartets and piano sonatas approach the melodic genius and pristine formality of Mozart’s. Haydn’s greatest work: his cello concerto, or his “Creation” oratorio (clip above), or his string quartets.
Born in Germany, but traveled Europe and settled in England, as the king’s court composer. He wrote 315 hours of music, second only to Haydn for prolificness. His mastery of all the complexities of the Baroque style is evident in all his works. He invented the modern oratorio, when he wanted to make money during the holy seasons of the year. During those seasons, operas were expressly forbidden to be performed, as they were secular. Handel requested from the king that he compose a musical setting of some story in the Bible. The king allowed this, and Handel wrote in 1732, “Esther,” which was performed by an orchestra and a choir, with soloists singing the parts of the characters, but without acting or costumes.
Handel is known today primarily for “The Messiah,” (video above) the greatest oratorio ever composed, in which some of the most famous music in history lies, especially the “Hallelujah Chorus,” which ends the Easter section.
Handel also wrote hundreds of concerti grossi, which were the forerunners of the Classical and Romantic concerto.
Handel’s greatest works are the “Messiah,” “Water Music,” and “Music for the Royal Fireworks.”
One of the few composers who was equally virtuosic at performance (piano), and conducting an orchestra. He legendary for his second two, of four, piano concerti, the third being probably the most difficult and pianistic concerto every written, containing one of the finest piano cadenzas. He is known for writing large chords of up to 5 notes per hand, which he could perform easily with his gigantic hands.
His shorter works include large-scale piano sonatas, epic enough to be considered concerti without orchestras, and preludes, of which his most famous is the “Prelude in c-sharp minor,” a work which became so famous in his lifetime that he grew sick of playing it.
His greatest works are “the 2nd Piano Concerto,” “the 3rd Piano Concerto,” the “Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini,” (video above) and his sonatas.
One of the finest orchestrators, and one of the supreme melody writers in all of music. Not surprisingly, his favorite composer was Mozart, in honor of whom he wrote “Mozartiana,” an elaboration of several of Mozart’s melodies. Tchaikovsky is the all-time master of the ballet, and all of his are world-famous: the “Nutcracker,” “Swan Lake,” “Sleeping Beauty.” He wrote two operatic masterpieces, “Eugene Onegin,” and “The Queen of Spades.”
His ballets are well known for their melodic magnificence, but he also wrote 6 symphonies, the last three of which are universally accepted as legendary for the resplendent orchestration and development of their lyrical melodies. The fourth is also noted for the bombastic, violent, celebratory spirit of its final movement. The fifth is famous as an elaboration of this same spirit, culminating in a complex final movement of victorious, fanfare quality. The sixth is considered by many to be more affecting and better than the fifth or fourth. It is nicknamed “Pathetique,” for its somber, sad emotion.
Tchaikovsky was also a master of the concerto, and wrote three piano concerti, the first of which is one of the most famous in history, and one of the most superb for its hyper-Romantic, lyrical qualities, and the famous octave passages. Its first movement famously ends with a 1-4-1 cadence, unique to all music up to that time. His violin concerto is world renowned for its technical demands and lush, lyrical beauty. Joshua Bell has compared the final movement to running a three minute mile.
Tchaikovsky’s greatest works are his “1st Piano Concerto,” his “Violin Concerto,” his last three symphonies, his ballets, “Eugene Onegin,” the famous “Overture to 1812,” (finale video above – listen for the canons!) and “Capricio Italienne.”
The symphonist of death, you could call him. Mahler’s repertoire is quite small compared to that of any other on this list. He only wrote 10 symphonies, the last of which he had not orchestrated before he died. He wrote a symphonic song cycle, “Das Lied von der Erde,” which has been called his finest symphony, though he did not intend it to be considered one, and he wrote dozens of other songs, many preoccupied with death.
His first symphony is largely imitative of a more Classical sound, but his second begins the career of the Mahler everyone knows when they hear his music. It is nicknamed the Resurrection, and it’s final movement’s premiere was said to have made women pass out, and grown men weep. His third is the longest symphony ever written, at an average performance length of 1 hour and 30 minutes. It also ends with a majestic bravura climax.
His sixth is called the tragic, and returns to his roots of a preoccupation with death. The seventh is notable for its last movement, a fanfare extolling the happiness of life on Earth.
His eighth is nicknamed “Symphony of a Thousand,” though he hated this epithet, because of the monstrous orchestra it calls for. It is the only symphony scored entirely for orchestra and chorus, the chorus present in all but 12 minutes or so of its 1 hour and 20 minute duration.
It ends with the most glorious, heavenly, galactic climax in the history of music, as the characters of Goethe’s Faust sing the final scene, and are lifted to Heaven.
Das Lied von der Erde is a song cycle of 6 Chinese Poems praising Earth, which Mahler translated into German. They are the maturation of his compositional style.
Mahler’s greatest works are his 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th symphonies and “Das Lied von der Erde.” (video above).
Italy’s greatest opera composer. Verdi’s operatic output is staggering, with 28 operas, many of which contain arias that have made their ways into popular culture and become mainstays. His mature period produced “Nabucco,” “Ernani,” “Macbeth” (after Shakespeare),” “Luisa Miller,” “Rigoletto,” “Il Trovatore,” “La Traviata,” “Un Ballo in Maschera,” “Don Carlo,” his most famous work: “Aida,” “Otello,” and “Falstaff” (both after Shakespeare).
But his finest hour came with the “Messa di Requiem per Alessandro Manzoni.” Verdi, devoutly Catholic, composed in this, some of the most deeply religious, majestically glorious, and terrifying music ever heard. The most famous section, and rightly so, is the Dies Irae (video above), or Day of Anger, which depicts God’s wrath inflicted upon Mankind in Armageddon. This is the most furious incarnation of melody and harmony ever put on paper. The Tuba Mirum, which follows, is the loudest un-amplified music ever written. The score calls for a bass drum played “fffff,” five fortes.
Verdi’s greatest works are his mature operas and the “Requiem.”
Brahms was one of the finest craftsmen in music history, refusing to write retrogressions, and adhering very strictly to form. He wrote 2 piano concerti, of which the 2nd is the most titanic concerto for piano ever composed. It is not as technically difficult as Rachmaninov’s 3rd, but the piano is required to overpower the entire orchestra much of the way through, and this demands a Hercules at the keyboard.
He wrote 4 symphonies, all outstanding, a Requiem in German, his finest work, and one of the greatest violin concerti in history. He was a superb fugue composer.
His finest works are 2nd Piano Concerto, Variations on a Theme of Paganini (the same theme Rachmaninov chose), Variations on a Theme of Haydn, A German Requiem (video above “Denn alles Fleisch”), and his Violin Concerto.
The greatest pianist of all time. Liszt sightread Grieg’s Piano Concerto, playing it perfectly the first time he saw the music. He wrote hundreds of short pieces, songs, preludes, etudes, two piano concerti, symphonic poems, and was an al-around master of every genre in which he composed. Most of his piano works are among the most technically demanding, almost impossible, to play, but of note are his Transcendental Etudes, designed for the piano student to master all forms of piano performance. They are probably the most difficult pieces of music ever written for any instrument, and even veteran professionals refuse to play No. 5, “Feux Follets.” (video above)
If not the Transcendental Etudes, his Sonata in b minor is extraordinarily difficult to play. It is his finest composition.
The most idiomatic composer for the piano who ever lived. Chopin did not understand orchestration, which he freely admitted, and had help from friends, including Liszt, in scoring his two piano concerti. Even so, the orchestra takes a back seat while the piano indulges in the finest filigree work any composer has ever managed.
Chopin’s melodic genius is superlative in all respects, and he composed primarily short works piano works, of which the most notable are his ballades, etudes, sonatas, mazurkas, waltzes, nocturnes, preludes, and impromptus. Chopin was the most innovative composer for all of these genres except the sonata. His finest work is his Ballade No. 1, in g minor (video above).
The quintessential Romantic composer. His music is the most German sounding of all. He was a genius in all genres, producing masterpiece symphonies, especially his 3rd, nicknamed “the Rhenish,” for its triumphantly Bavarian quality, his chamber music, especially his Piano Quintet, a monument in the history of music, and his Piano Concerto in a minor, perhaps the finest ever written. His finest works are the Piano Quintet, and the Piano Concerto. He is also well regarded for his huge quantity of vocal music.
The greatest songwriter of all time, and the second greatest master of melodic, lyrical composition. Schubert had a natural mastery of all the forms of the day, but loved songs the most, and wrote them so quickly that as soon as he was finished with one, he threw it to the floor and grabbed another sheet of paper to start another. He wrote “Hark, Hark, the lark,” one of his finest, on the back of a beer hall receipt, in one sitting. He wrote approximately 650 songs in the sixteen years of his career.
His most famous work is his Piano Quintet, nicknamed the Trout, for the inclusion of one of his songs as a movement. He also wrote masses, 9 symphonies, of which the last two are universal brilliancies, sonatas, ballets, string quartets, and operas.
His finest works are his 8th and 9th symphonies, his Trout Quintet, ballet music to Rosamunde, Marche Militaire, and some of his songs, Gretchen at the Spinning Wheel, The Erl-King, and Nacht und Träume (video above) among them.
One of the most hateful and unpleasant people who ever walked the earth. Wagner despised Jews, and blamed all the problems of the world on them. But you can’t hold any of that against him when you hear his music. It transcends all the idiocy of the man himself. He only wrote operas, which he termed “music dramas.” But of them, his finest masterpieces are Tannhauser, Lohengrin, in which you’ll find the world famous “Here Comes the Bride” theme, Tristan und Isolde, which some consider his finest achievement, Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg, Parsifal, and his gargantuan four-opera cycle Der Ring des Nibelungen.
These last four operas are the single most famous masterpiece in opera history. Of the top ten longest operas, 7 are by Wagner. The average opera length is 3 hours. Gotterdamerung, the last of the Ring cycle, is 6 hours long. More importantly, Wagner invented the leitmotif, a very short melody which represents a character, emotion, event, or object. He revolutionized the art of opera, and operas are not written in any other style today except his, or the Classical style which preceded him. There has been no progress beyond him in operatic art. It has also been said that the art of filmmaking would be set back 500 years, had Wagner not existed. Film soundtracks owe their ability to enhance the story to Wagner alone, who owes his ability to the next composer, and almost all film composers, including John Williams, agree that Wagner is the greatest film composer in history. Films can be set to his music.
His finest work is probably Tristan und Isolde, but the Ring cycle could well be equal to it. Everything he wrote, from Tannhauser on (video above), could be his finest work. All his mature works are unparalleled in orchestration, and he is one of the very few opera composers who wrote his own libretti.
The inventor of Romantic music. Before him, all that could be said in music had been said (by the next two composers). Beethoven began his career by imitating the styles of Mozart and Haydn, and is considered the third greatest Classical composer after them. With his 3rd Symphony, nicknamed “Eroica,” and his 4th and 5th Piano Concerti, the world of music entered its Romantic Era, out of which it may not yet have emerged.
The advent of film required that Romantic music not be done away with, as the more modern music of Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, etc., was not suitable for the enhancement of drama. Thus, as film’s musical lineage goes directly back to Wagner, it goes back farther, to Beethoven, who influenced Wagner the most.
It was Beethoven’s temperament that created his finest, and most idiosyncratic works, among them his 3rd to 9th symphonies, his last three of five piano concerti, his violin concerto, the finest ever written, two masses, one of which is the Missa Solemnis, the second greatest mass ever written, his chamber music, especially his string quartets, the last 6 of which, the Late Quartets, are universally considered to be among the greatest musical works in history. Of these, Igor Stravinsky deemed the Grosse Fuge of the second to last quartet the greatest piece of music ever written. Beethoven’s 5th Symphony (video above) begins with the single most famous melody in music history. People who don’t even know who he was hum it every day.
Beethoven’s finest works are also the finest works of their kind in music history: the 9th Symphony, the 5th Piano Concerto, the Violin Concerto, the Late Quartets, and his Missa Solemnis, although this last work is not quite as glorious as a mass composed by #1 on this list.
And he achieved all this despite being completely deaf for the last 25 years or so of his life.
The most gifted musical genius in history, the most famous genius of any field in history, and the perfecter of Classical music. He wrote 41 symphonies, 27 piano concerti, a large amount of chamber music, 23 operas, 18 sonatas for piano, 36 for violin, for cello, church sonatas, organ pieces, 18 masses, including one Requiem, 4 horn concerti, 20 string quartets, serenades, divertimenti, and many others.
He was the supreme composer of melody and lyrical quality in music history. All other melodic composers aspired to his greatness, including Schubert, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Saint-Saens, etc. He wrote his music in full orchestral scores, without corrections of any kind, until late in life when he was sick. His first drafts were his final drafts. His greatest works are all legendary, and cannot be listed entirely, but of them, his Requiem Mass, the greatest ever written, although he only finished half. The second half was finished by his pupil, Sussmayer. His last 20 symphonies or so, his last serenade, nicknamed Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, his 20th through 24th piano concerti, his 15th and 17th masses, in C Major and c minor, respectively, his 12 variations on Ah, vous dirais-je, Maman, which is commonly known as Twinkle Twinkle, Little Star, and there are many others.
It was because of his perfection of the Classical mode, that Beethoven decided not to imitate, but rather to create a new mode. Mozart’s work features, among other things, the finest balance between solo instruments and orchestra.
He was one of the finest pianists to ever live, and equally adept at the violin.
Probably his greatest single work, for its pristine clarity in all respects, is his opera Don Giovanni (video above).
The greatest composer of music who has ever lived. Bach did not invent any new styles of forms of music, but rather perfected every single one of them which existed in his day. He remains the all-time master of the fugue, a form which is so difficult to write that even Mozart and Beethoven, both of whom wrote fugal masterpieces, hated writing them. Bach, however, improvised fugues for 2 hours at a stretch, and then wrote them down from memory afterward.
Bach wrote universal masterpieces in every genre, including the 6 finest concerti grossi ever written, nicknamed the Brandenburg Concerti (clip above). He also wrote the finest single work of sacred music in history, the Mass in b minor, which has been argued by many musicologsts and composers to be the single greatest work of music of all time, in any genre, in any style.
Whereas, most composers did not typically relish complexity, Bach was at home in it. The Sanctus from his b minor Mass is a 6-part chorus, including a 4-voiced fugue. In the annals of fugal composition, no composer as ever attempted what Bach accomplished, and he did so without difficulty: his monumental Art of Fugue, which is a thorough examination of all the methods by which fugues are written. Using one theme, Bach explains in music all the possibilities of contrapuntal composition inherent in a single musical subject: the fugue, the double fugue, the triple fugue, the quadruple fugue, the stretto fugue, the mirror fugue, canonizing the fugues, etc. If you were to turn the scores of the two mirror fugues upside down and play them, they would sound the same.
He wrote in the Baroque style, but his music is as Romantic as anything Beethoven or Wagner or Schumann ever composed, and films can be set to it. He is the greatest of all composers, of all time, because of the intellectual depth of his music, the technical demand, and the artistic beauty.
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1 lala
December 17th, 2009 at 1:38 am
great list… top 3 rock… er.. i mean not exactly play rock, but rock.
2 m269ch3vy
December 17th, 2009 at 1:40 am
i dont quite agree with the first one.. btw First! (:
3 Jack
December 17th, 2009 at 1:41 am
Great list! When I get home I’m going to have to listen to all of these
Cheers!
4 Easy
December 17th, 2009 at 1:41 am
nice list but opinion on music is always subjective
5 Olivia
December 17th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Amazing. Gotta’ love oldzz people music.
6 Dalathisa
December 17th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Primero!
7 Mozart
December 17th, 2009 at 1:44 am
BOOORIINNNNGGGG……….
8 Jaffa
December 17th, 2009 at 1:44 am
First!Only heard of a few of these .Awesome list
9 Skrillah
December 17th, 2009 at 1:56 am
Finally a Good List! Good job flamehorse
10 akino
December 17th, 2009 at 2:01 am
classic!
11 schiesl
December 17th, 2009 at 2:01 am
i was sad to see no schoenberg….
12 capt funtime
December 17th, 2009 at 2:09 am
wow, some real hate there from the man himself, why does B hate islam? can’t we all just get along?
13 zagga20
December 17th, 2009 at 2:11 am
A great list and a great read. Thank you for this.
14 christlike
December 17th, 2009 at 2:26 am
This list should specify “Classical Music Composers”. There are a lot of other music composers of other types of music that are considered brilliant such as: Stevie Wonder, Prince, Charlie Parker, T.Monk, John Lennon,etc. This is a list for snobs.
15 Andres
December 17th, 2009 at 2:31 am
“The most famous genius of any field in history”? More than Einstein? I seriously doubt so.
I enjoyed the list though.
16 Bakken
December 17th, 2009 at 2:44 am
Where in the hell is Edward Grieg??????? Should be atleast top 5. But not even on the list??
17 ElleEm
December 17th, 2009 at 2:47 am
Nice list!
Liszt’s Feux Follets is amazingly similar in meter to the music I had turned off to listen to the video above. That was Jerry Garcia and Howard Wales playing All for Life. Of course the similarity ends there, but it was striking nonetheless.
Personally I like putting many forms of classical, rock, and jazz onto my ipod. Stones to Stravinsky, Albioni to Zappa. Then hit shuffle…
18 Secillic
December 17th, 2009 at 2:55 am
I think John Cage should have been thrown in there at some point.
19 scarybiscuits
December 17th, 2009 at 2:59 am
great list i would have thought that Antonio Vivaldi would have made the cut though?
20 BravehisTickle
December 17th, 2009 at 3:15 am
@beethoven (28): Ye ugly man, I’ll bash you ter a pulp if you spread yer filth in Listverse,start countin’ yer days man- when me gets mad gets very nasty
21 BravehisTickle
December 17th, 2009 at 3:22 am
@beethoven (33): Mebbe mom or JF are sleepin’, if they woke up ye’d be banned into oblivion,yer stupid bucket of lard.
22 ElleEm
December 17th, 2009 at 3:29 am
Beethoven here gave me an idea. How about a list of Islamic artists and composers?
23 k1w1taxi
December 17th, 2009 at 3:31 am
So there are NO composers from the last century worthy of inclusion here? Very Strange.
And my man Ludwig belongs at #1 instead of these other pretenders.
Cheers
Lee
24 jfrater
December 17th, 2009 at 3:34 am
@Easy (4): It is – but as a musician I agreed mostly with the choices (though not necessarily the order) so it seemed worthy of publishing
25 jfrater
December 17th, 2009 at 3:38 am
@k1w1taxi (37): There are – but they appeared on the composers you don’t know list. If it were my list of greatest composers it would have included Stravinsky, Ives, Shostakovich, and maybe (but very personally) Schnittke. I would replace Schumann, Haydn, Brahms, and Tchaikovsky.
Obviously this is very subjective and you appreciate 20th century classical (which I do too – it is my favorite period of classical music). Perhaps a more suitable title would have been pre-20th century classical composers. We should probably consider doing a best of renaissance, baroque, classical, romantic, 20th century.
26 mf
December 17th, 2009 at 3:43 am
All the names on the list are, well one of the most awesome musicians that ever lived of course. But writing the 9th symphony while being completely deaf is (no appropriate words to describe)next to impossible.
27 Arsnl
December 17th, 2009 at 4:04 am
@jfrater (38): hey but what about pierre boulez. In a list with 15 i was pretty sure boulez would make it. It would have given this list some originality.
28 astraya
December 17th, 2009 at 4:13 am
Just a couple of thoughts after a long, hot day.
JSB 4 ever!!
Flamehorse didn’t specify any criteria, but several pointers (off the top of my head) towards “greatest composers of all time” must include 1) breadth of forms (ie did the composer write in many or even most of the forms available to “him”?); 2) breadth of emotional range; 3) depth of compositional technique; 4) a lifetime’s development of personal style; 5) at least one acknowledged masterwork, possibly even the greatest work in that genre; 6) a major innovation (Wagner) or summation (Bach) in the field of music.
Probably any composer still alive can’t satisfy my criterion 3. Nothing that Grieg wrote can be considered an acknowledged masterwork. I would go close to excluding Wagner and Mahler because of my criterion 1, but they rate so highly on everything else. The length of works is a factor (ie a long work requires consistency of compositional technique).
29 The boy from Troy
December 17th, 2009 at 4:16 am
Hoo boy, no Indian composer here- seriously, hasn’t any of you heard Indian music? like ever? Lez see how much interest that list would generate- about Indian composers.. bet people would say- how boring, who wants to know about India.
30 astraya
December 17th, 2009 at 4:21 am
BTW, in 2000, I took part in a performance of Mahler’s 8th Symphony for the Olympic Arts Festival. In 2002 many of the Sydney choir travelled to England where we joined the London and Birmingham choirs and the National Youth Orchestra of Great Britain and Sir Simon Rattle to perform in the Albert Hall as part of the Proms series.
I found this clip about 2 years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=KR&hl=ko&v=uYM54vhLYTU&feature=related. It starts vewwy, vewwy qwietly and finishes VERY VERY LOUDLY.
I am visible at 1.13 and several other times throughout.
31 flgh
December 17th, 2009 at 4:25 am
WTH Why no Vivaldi?
32 Jack
December 17th, 2009 at 4:47 am
@bethoveen (46): it’s boring because you’re uneducated.
33 Manda
December 17th, 2009 at 4:49 am
First of all, I don’t understand why classical music is ‘just for snobs’. Why does it take a certain economic, social or educational level to apprieciate this music? Perhaps once, when this sort of music was reserved only for those who could afford it, but now with access to the internet and such, it is still seen in such a light.
It is a shame, really, when classical music has influenced so much modern music, and those influences can be easily seen.
For example:
(I hope the embedding works. If not, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM)
34 Chiles
December 17th, 2009 at 4:58 am
Beethoven( the composer not the cocksucker commenting above) shouldve been 1rst,cmon he composed the glorious ninth symphony deaf !!!
35 rshady
December 17th, 2009 at 5:02 am
Considering he is number 3 on this list, Beethoven is pretty bad at spelling… and a lot more anti-Islam then I had anticipated.
36 Manda
December 17th, 2009 at 5:03 am
I agree that Beethoven was cool, but considering everything that was written about the others here, I agree that he didn’t deserve to be number one. I think he is a little overrated, only because he is the more well known composer.
37 Shagrat
December 17th, 2009 at 5:10 am
Not sure how you placed Bach at #1 when you categorically state that he did not invent any new styles, but simply perfected existing ones while both Mozart – whom you described as:
” The most gifted musical genius in history, the most famous genius of any field in history, and the perfecter of Classical music”
- and Beethoven both invented new ones.
As well; though it may be apocryphal – Musical history lecturers I have had in the past have ALL categorically stated (and I’ve heard it repeated by any number of so-called ‘experts’) that, where composers original manuscripts carry corrections and ‘crossings-out’ and notational scribbles to indicate a “change of mind” etc – Mozarts original musical notation is unblemished: he wrote it down note-for-note without any corrections or additional notations: including ALL the instruments as he went along.
Now THAT’s pure genius.
Other than that – a good list ‘horse!
38 Shagrat
December 17th, 2009 at 5:13 am
Extra comment – as Chiles reminded us at comment 49; Beethoven was almost deaf when he wrote the 5th – totally so by the glorious 9th!
39 Nattuli
December 17th, 2009 at 5:18 am
My personal favourites are Debussy and Mozart because I adore Clair de lune and Requiem but I have to give props to Bach for composing a multitude of pieces that have simple melodies that even children can learn. He has introduced many a young child to the wonders of piano music (myself included).
40 Jobrag
December 17th, 2009 at 5:21 am
christlike at 23
If you came back in 100 years I doubt that any of the names that you list will be remenbered, but I would say all of the names on the list will be.
mf at 40
Even though he was deaf Beethoven could “hear” by placing a wooden stick on the piano and placing his chin on it.
Jobrag
41 saber25
December 17th, 2009 at 5:31 am
Actually, 3 of these composers have my same first name, Franz. And the 3 greatest composers of all time are in nos. 1, 2 and 3. hi listverse i’m back. Entertained by this list and the previous one really
42 oouchan
December 17th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Love the list with the exception that Bach is first and Tchaikovsky is higher than he should be.
I have all of these composers on my iPod as well.
Wonder if John Williams has a place among these great composers?
43 filipinoknight
December 17th, 2009 at 5:53 am
What? Wheres Vivaldi or even Gershwin? And also it should say classic composers, because you have modern day composers such as Williams, Horner, and Shore.
44 johnric
December 17th, 2009 at 5:58 am
@bethoveen:Shame on you. You don’t belong here.
People who hate this list are musically illiterate
and those who say foul language on this site are (just like what Jack said)completely uneducated
45 BravehisTickle
December 17th, 2009 at 6:03 am
@johnric (59): Sorry, me also guilty. Me should have refrained from replying to an idiot.
46 muzli
December 17th, 2009 at 6:39 am
People, just ignore beethoven – not the composer. He will just fizzle out into oblivion, like all scumbags like him.
47 FamousAmos
December 17th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Danny Elfman? Come on, the opening to Men In Black is brilliant!
48 Karl
December 17th, 2009 at 6:49 am
This list is so inaccurate. As a lover of classical music I think that Bach shouldn’t be on top of the list because he’s too average. You should put Mozart or Beethoven on the top of the list. And where Dvorak? Philip Glass? Vivaldi? Grieb? Why not we make a Top 25 Greatest Composers list???? That would be much better.
@beethoven (12): Oh, man with a weak & moronic mind, why won’t you shut the fuck up???? I hate internet bullies. They are like real bullies except their more gay. I’ll bet beethoven didn’t finish high school & is a mama’s boy.
@johnric (59): I agree with you. People who don’t even like this list don’t have the intellectual capacity to appreciate classical music. Why not they listen to crap like Judas Priest or Soulja Boy????
49 El the erf
December 17th, 2009 at 6:56 am
This list basically deals with sinfonia composers.
Music has a much more broader definition, I believe and this list makes it seem too narrow to me which excludes too much.
And what nudges me, is that in a world consisting of umpteen types of different races, HOW a specific type of music is seen to as setting the standards of music composition.
An American or European, hearing for the first time a Javanese gamelan performance or singing by the Ewe people of West Africa, might feel totally disoriented by the seemingly meaningless sounds of these kinds of music.
Likewise, Javanese or Ghanaian listeners might feel every bit as lost at sea when they first hear the symphonic music and they might find these equally meaningless.
Anyway, if it was for me to compose this list, Hans Zimmer would take the top spot hands down.
50 archangel
December 17th, 2009 at 7:08 am
love these composers! wish they were alive to compose me a personally dedicated piece!
51 MPSh
December 17th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Great list! I would have had something scathing to say had Liszt not made your list.
52 Carole
December 17th, 2009 at 7:22 am
Wagner: A hateful man does not write special music for his wife as a Christmas present and then have an orchestra there to play it for her Christmas morning. He was anti Semitic, no more or less than most.
It’s not his fault that Hitler used his music as a vehicle to promote hate.
53 mom424
December 17th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Excellent list once again Flamehorse. Thanks to my mom, who forced us to listen to classical music every Sunday, I recognized each one of the selected recordings. Either that or Looney Tunes. I wonder how many folks were first introduced to classical music via Bugs Bunny. I betcha tons of those commenting about how boring this list is, don’t even realize how pervasive it is in our culture. It’s not an accident that everyone knows the Lone Ranger theme – and it’s not because of the TV show – it’s because the music is soo awesome and memorable.
@christlike (14): I am the least snobby person you will ever meet – and I loved this list. I learned something today – maybe you should too!
54 mom424
December 17th, 2009 at 7:34 am
@astraya (30): all righty – awesome performance btw – I’ve the video paused at 1:15. Which guy are you? You all look the same in your nice suits.
55 Stevezio
December 17th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Missing is Roger Waters at #1
56 Mr. Plow
December 17th, 2009 at 7:45 am
This is BS! Why did Soljah Boi or Britney not make the list!!! This is an outrage!
Seriously though, great list, although I would have had Wagner in the 2 slot.
57 Cubone
December 17th, 2009 at 7:57 am
you forgot John Williams
58 macph
December 17th, 2009 at 8:09 am
just a suggestion:
may this list should be renamed as the
“15 greatest classical composers of all time”
i mean some composers like jason becker is phenomenal too.. creating a whole album note per note using a computer while suffering ALS deserves to be commended as well.. just my 2 cents..
59 Jensen Wright
December 17th, 2009 at 8:09 am
I don’t think it’s quite fair to say Haydn composed one symphony in 103 forms — I think he did a bit better than that! That statement is similar to the famous “Vivaldi composed the same concerto 200 times” (btw, shame not to see Vivaldi on this list — his choral music alone is genius) — anyone who actually listens to these concertos surely can see the vast variety he managed to create within the confines of one format (listen to his op.3 concerto set to see how much variety is contained within a single set with identical instrumentation).
Also, are you sure you’re using the term “concerto grosso” correctly? I thought it was as specific type of concerto (invented by Corelli) to balance the sonority of a smaller “concertino” group against the rest of the orchestra (?)
I’m not sure how to create a top 15 list of composers — too subjective! I would give honourable mention to Vivaldi, Corelli, Telemann, LeClair, Zelenka, Purcell, or even C.P.E. Bach (who really did innovate, unlike his father).
60 mena
December 17th, 2009 at 8:11 am
I’m a music student alumni and im really glad to see you place Bach on top of the list. His musical style goes beyond his era. He was ahead of everyone else and his work was pivotal in shaping everyone’s view in music. Even Mozart and Beethoven were fans huge admirers.
Great List.
I really enjoyed reading this.
61 annebonannie
December 17th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Title should have read “Top 15 Greatest WESTERN Composers of all Time”.
62 Redisca
December 17th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Carole (52): Quite the contrary: a hateful man is perfectly capable of doing very nice things for his wife, be a good father and amiable company (unless you are one of the people he hates). Hateful people can be surprisingly ordinary, even sympathetic, when not faced with something that triggers their insanity to show its ugly face. Adolf Eichmann, the “architect of the Holocaust” — who admitted being such during his trial and never demonstrated the least remorse — was walking home with a bouquet of flowers for his wife when Mossad agents grabbed him in Buenos Aires. The first thing he said to his Jewish captors was a request to please not hurt his family — which was ironic, considering that Eichmann murdered the entire family of the man who was handcuffing him at that very moment, including the man’s 12-year-old sister. Hannah Arendt, a political philosopher who was present at Eichmann’s trial, observed that he didn’t appear as a raving psychotic. She described his attitude as “the banality of evil” — and I think that term also applies to your comment about Wagner.
It is possible to enjoy Wagner’s music if you see it as something that has a life of its own, independent from its creator — as, I think, all art should be enjoyed. But Wagner the man was a disgusting, hateful antisemite, and that’s that.
63 Bob
December 17th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Just waiting for somebody to say the list is too Euro-centric or too Western.
64 Redisca
December 17th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Bob (63): Well, at least it’s not American-centric. Whew. [/end sarcasm]
65 lilbit
December 17th, 2009 at 8:42 am
I love that Bach is #1. I too, however, think that Vivaldi and Gershwin should have been included.
66 aeth
December 17th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Most of these guys Baroque & roll!
67 RedMan
December 17th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Glad to see Brahms on this list but I knew Bach would be number before reading it.
68 Maximuz04
December 17th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Bach over Mozart eh, while I was outragged at first, reading Bachs stuff, i guess you can make the argument
69 dtoddboemler
December 17th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Excellent list! I would question the exclusion of Debussy. His development of non-functional tonal harmony was revolutionary as was his ‘Rhapsody in Blue’.
Plus, an addition I would make to Lizt’s great compositional list would be ‘Oh, quand je dors.’ I don’t think there is anything ever written that is more beautiful that than.
But that’s just me.
70 bucslim
December 17th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I could give a rip if I ever read another comment about a list being ‘too (fill in the region)’
Too American, Too Western, Too Euro-Centric, Too whatever.
You know what I want? I want a list that’s too Northern Polar. That will satisfy the Eskimos amongst us. I want to read something that is blatantly too Antartical. ‘This list is to Sri Lankan-centrical goddamit! This is supposed to be an international site!!’ I swear if we made some list about the most significant hobbits, the orcs would be pissed that the list was too friggen Shirescent and not enough about Mordor.
Are people so petty, so myopic, so obsessed with some supposed regional slight that they have to come in here and leave their brilliant observations that a baseball list is ‘too American?’
And I just know there’s some uber observant savant out there that will point out that just because I reside in the good ole U S of A that I’m being crass and arrogant just like every other Yankee they’ve met. I’d like to take a moment to just say to them to go pound sand, I don’t give a shit. All of you other twirps who point out that something on Listverse is too much like a certain point on the map can do the same.
71 a2650415
December 17th, 2009 at 9:23 am
@14: Very cute, someone calling himself “christlike” accuses others of snobbery.
@69: Debussy did not write Rhapsody in Blue.
72 cate
December 17th, 2009 at 9:27 am
No Igor Stravinsky?!?! wow.. im surprised.
73 ianz09
December 17th, 2009 at 9:29 am
This list just reminded me, has anybody heard Serj Tankian’s rendition of his solo album with the Auckland Philharmonia Orchestra? This list made me think of that. The CD/DVD comes out soon, I might just pick that up.
74 ianz09
December 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am
@bucslim (70): Your comment was too Anti-Listverse-Haters-centric. Try covering a broad variety of websites or haters.
75 pj
December 17th, 2009 at 9:44 am
no vivaldi?
should have been no 1!
76 bucslim
December 17th, 2009 at 9:45 am
@ianz09 (74):
Your comment was too ianz09-centric, why don’t you be more like Smell the Barf and type something incoherent and deranged?
77 Staunch Musicologist
December 17th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Where is Monteverdi? Josquin? Perotin? Bach was not the first composer, you know.
Well, I know how damned hard it is to write a top composers list. No matter what you do, you seem to only piss off people. So, I grouped them, and though some on my list are different, I’ll use yours to demonstrate.
Top 5 (in no particular order)
Bach
Beethoven
Mozart
Schubert
Wagner
Next 5 (in no particular order)
Brahms
Chopin
Liszt
Schumann
Joe Green, uh, Verdi, I mean
Next 5 (in no particular order)
Handel
Haydn
Mahler
Rachy
Tchaik
It’s impossible to be objective with something like this. I am a Beethoven aficionado, so I obviously don’t agree with your #1, but it’s really apples and oranges. Couple of things, though. He wasn’t deaf for his last 25 years, but gradually went deaf over that length of time, being totally so for about the last 10 years. He wasn’t a Romantic composer, not ever. He initiated Romanticism in that his successors used his middle period works as inspiration. Nobody back then could figure out most of his later style stuff, those pieces, the last quartets for example, stand utterly alone.
78 Tom Wang
December 17th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Everything I know about classical music I learned by watching Looney Tunes. Bugs Bunny should be a bonus for best “tribute” composer! There are many, but these are a couple quickies including “The Barber of Seville” and the other is part of Wagner’s “Ring”.
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/42703/964406
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/430148/whats_opera_doc/
79 ianz09
December 17th, 2009 at 10:08 am
@bucslim (76): You’re right, I lack variety. I have become the very thing I hate… But your comment was too Pointing-Out-People-Being-____-Centric-centric.
80 Bill
December 17th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I love Bach too, but what does Doc Holiday say (in Tombstone)?
81 Nina
December 17th, 2009 at 10:14 am
There are some on here I’ve never heard of, but I’m certainly gonna check them out. Innovation is genius.
I think classical and baroque music are both beautiful and I wish so many kids didn’t think of it as boring without ever really getting into it. I’ve heard so many kids say that. And I can definitely see the influence of classical music greatly up until the birth od rock music. Many modern musicians are influenced by these geniuses and this music will ive on for hundreds of years as it has.
And one thing that’s foten ignored is calssical and baroque guitar music.
82 Steve
December 17th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Wagner is bullshit. Annoying, pointless bullshit. Admit it.
83 Chino
December 17th, 2009 at 10:21 am
good list, except i think bach should be lower down on the list.
84 Bill
December 17th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Maybe you could start another list: “The Top 10 Children who Play Bach.” This would be number one:
85 El the erf
December 17th, 2009 at 10:44 am
@bucslim (76):
“ianz09″ is, what is the very definition of the Real American.
86 Randall
December 17th, 2009 at 11:41 am
I find this list to be far too music-centric. What about those who compose other things? Such as greeting cards? Or sonnets on their cats? Or… sonnets *about* their cats?
What about de-composing? Without it, we’d be hip-deep in these dead composers, wouldn’t we now?! And compost? Where is the mention of all the wonderful bits of compost that do so much to give us bright and pretty flowers and tasty vegetables?
What about combustibles? I think the world owes as much to kerosene as it does Mahler! And compaction? Honestly—think of a world where nothing could be made smaller!
pfffft. I am disgusted.
87 Maggot
December 17th, 2009 at 11:41 am
@bucslim (76): Smell the Barf…incoherent and deranged
A very un-centric comment. I think we can all get behind it. With the possible exception of bleeding-heart Barf-sympathizer ianz09.
88 Me
December 17th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Fun fact: Mozart’s name is:
Johann Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart
89 bucslim
December 17th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
And when the hell is Kenny G going to get some respect with list writers?!?!?!?
90 gabi319
December 17th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Surprised no one has yet complained that this list is too list-centric. What’s with all this order and itemizing? It’s quite prejudiced to the disorderly and un-list-like things out there in the world.
Well, regards to the list, I probably would’ve chosen CPE Bach over JS Bach. JS may have been more prolific but his work wasn’t really popular (or even published) until long, long after his death. It was CPE Bach who was viewed more as an innovator and greatly influenced the works composed by Mozart and Hayden (both of whom are on this list).
91 segues
December 17th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
A wonderful list. I have always loved “classical” music (please include all other genre’s which get dumped into the same category), as well as jazz from the 40′s and 50′s (and a whole lot of other styles which don’t matter here).
While my children were growing up, I was a script supervisor. That meant some very, very long days and nights, but during the kids early years, my parents were alive to care for them when I was away. They both died by the time the kids were in middle school and trustworthy enough to go it alone for a few hours.
But by the time the kids were all in high school, I took a second job, for those hours I could spare (egged on by my youngest daughter who had taken the job herself), as usher at the Hollywood Bowl and Dorothy Chandler Pavilion. Hence, I got to see all of the above preformed live, plus much more! It was worth the lack of sleep, the tired to the bone, the gauzy head.
Oh! And the Playboy Jazz Festival was always a real treat.
92 mej
December 17th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
This list is far too personalized to a listener of obviously baroque or classical preference. It also seems like it is possibly listed by the preference of a pianist. The fact that Tchaikovsky is placed in the 12th position is absurd. Stravinsky and Shostakovich are completely absent, which is practically offensive to me. Liszt does not deserve such high regard, especially above composers like Prokofiev or Holst, who are also absent.
93 deskmenu8
December 17th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I was so happy when I saw Bach was number one. . . Phew.
94 psychosurfer
December 17th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
@bucslim (89):
I know man, he also overlooked virtuosos like Richard Clayderman, Enya or Andrea Bocelli.
95 Scratch
December 17th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
There are no hermaophritic left-handed biracial parapalegic composers represented on this list.
Unbelievable.
96 segues
December 17th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
@bucslim (89):
@psychosurfer (94):
****
~sniff~ ~sniff~ does any one else smell sarcasm in here?
97 Stinky
December 17th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
This list is too American. I am disgusted.
98 Jael
December 17th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Where’s Claude Debussy?
At least an honourable mention would be nice.
99 Maggot
December 17th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
@gabi319 (91): this list is too list-centric. What’s with all this order and itemizing?
I come to Listverse to find solace in that. Please don’t destroy that for me. Without Listverse and its orderly itemized ways, I would be reduced to a life of broken promises and shattered dreams.
100 therush
December 17th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Great list though I think Vivaldi should be on this list but that’s all subjective. Personally I would put Beethoven #1 because I think all his music is ridiculously perfect. But you can’t really argue with Mozart and Bach being above him even though I’ve never been the biggest fan of Bach.
101 GaRipper
December 17th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
As a music major myself, I agree with all of the names on this list. I especially like Bach being listed as #1; he was the master of the fugue, and the fugue is IMO the most technically complex form of music; if anyone has doubts they are more than welcome to try and analyze one, much less actually write them. Bach improvised many, on an instrument which required not only both hands but the feet as well. People asking about John Williams are a bit premature, and a little naive. A little known fact about Joseph Haydn: he wrote a birthday song for Emperor Francis II of the Holy Roman Empire which was eventually paired with lyrics to become Das Deutschlandlied (The Song of Germany) and would become the German National Anthem, known popularly as Deutschland Uber Alles.
102 callan
December 17th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Chopin would wear a beard on only one side of his face, explaining “It does not matter, my audience sees only my right side.”
103 ianz09
December 17th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
@bucslim (76): @Maggot (88): Whoa whoa boys, am I getting shit on here?
104 Slug Trail JR.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
You forgot Ennio Morricone.
105 Slug Trail JR.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Ecstacy of Gold, c’mon. What is wrong which u meng?
106 Yawyack
December 17th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
What no Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-spelltinkle-grandlich-grumblemeyer-spelter-wasser-kurstlich-himble-eisenbahnwagen-guten-abend-bitte-ein-nürnburger-bratwürstel-gespurten-mitz-weimache-luber-hundsfut-gumeraber-schönendanker-kalbsfleisch-mittleraucher-von-Hautkopft of Ulm?
107 astraya
December 17th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
gabi: popularity and influence are factors, but not, by themselves, determinative. I studied CPE at university and sang one of his choral works.
mom: not telling! I’ve got to preserve some anonymity and mystique. Choose the best looking one.
108 SKJ
December 17th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Magnificent list! Would have rated Händel higher, and included Debussy – but truly great
109 MozartsPenis
December 17th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
BEST LIST EVER!!!!!!
110 astraya
December 17th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
I have just wasted too much time searching the internet for “greatest classical composer” in the hopes of finding some consensus, or at least some criteria. One typical site (http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best-classic-comp.html) lists 100 composers, the top 20 being: Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Wagner, Haydn, Brahms, Schubert, Tchaikovsky, Handel, Stravinsky, Schumann, Chopin, Mendelssohn, Debussy, Liszt, Dvorak, Verdi, Mahler, Berlioz, Vivaldi.
And I stumbled across this one, which should tickle some funny bones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCFCeJTEzNU&feature=player_embedded
111 segues
December 17th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
@astraya (111): OMG! I swear, this totally reminded me of something Monty Python would do.
I was laughing so much the first time I played it, I had to play it again so that I could actually understand what was happening.
Thanks, astraya!
112 Gotya
December 17th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Great list, great read. Thanks a lot =)
113 ferdemane
December 17th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Seriously – No Stravinsky? Nothing pre-Baroque, say, Palestrina or Josquin?
Also, don’t forget Rachmaninoff’s contribution to choral music – The Vespers is fantastic.
114 Sanjuro
December 17th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
There’s quite the lack of 20th Century composers. I would have enjoyed seeing Bartok, Prokofiev, or Holst on this list. And who on this planet hasn’t heard Rossini’s William Tell or Strauss’ Also sprach Zarathustra?
115 Iakhovas
December 17th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Excellent list. Who cares about the order? It’s a good representation of the top 15 and I think the author gave pretty good arguments for their respective positions. On a side note, I really don’t like Chopin much, even though I enjoy piano but he deserves his place.
116 Yogipogi
December 17th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
ta da da daaaaaahhh!! Beethoven should be 1st.. Great list!!
117 arjaythejive
December 17th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
I love “The Four Seasons” by Vivaldi, but as one critic said, “Vivaldi didn’t write 400 pieces, he wrote the same piece 400 times”.
When film composer Dimitri Tiompkin received an Oscar for one of his scores, he didn’t thank his family or agent or producer, etc….he said “I wish to thank Bach, Beethoven, Mozart….”. Most composers who came after those on the list derived much of their work from the masters, just as scientists, historians, architects do.
118 fifthsonata
December 17th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
@14: “This list should specify “Classical Music Composers”. There are a lot of other music composers of other types of music that are considered brilliant such as: Stevie Wonder, Prince, Charlie Parker, T.Monk, John Lennon,etc. This is a list for snobs.”
I don’t normally read or participate in comments to keep my blood pressure down, but I had to respond to this.
How is this music for snobs? It seems you have a pre-conceived notion as to who listens to the “classical” genre – would you expect a country girl who basically has the Hee-Haw Gang for a family to be a classical musician? People tend to dismiss what they don’t fully understand, and I’m sorry public education failed you in the department.
Stevie Wonder, Prince, and every musician on this planet would not be the great musician they are were it not for the people on this list. We owe the development of western (and no, not the banjo-playing type) music to these people – we wouldn’t have even the concept of chord progression were it not for Josquin (not mentioned here), we wouldn’t have the same quality piano players were it not for Bach’s standard “method book” of the “Well-Tempered Clavier…”
The fantastic thing about music is that it is subjective, that there are SO many fantastic (and not-so-fantastic) composers to choose from, but no matter who you root for as the greats, the ones listed here (and not listed here) set the standard for the music you listen to today and will listen to as you progress through your life. You don’t have to like the composers here to understand their contribution to the development of western music (again, western music does not refer to the genre).
This music is for ALL. It is not for a certain type of person. It is accessible to every class of person, but in order to access it, you actually have to try. But once you do try, you’ll find your perception and appreciation of music all that much more rewarding.
119 rocknopera
December 17th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
bogus number 1… Beethoven should have that spot. Bach is no. 3.
120 fifthsonata
December 17th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Now, this classically trained musicologist/clarinetist who essentially came from a white-trash background is going to go waste some brain cells on the Sims 3 game….with a little amusing Timothy Broege “Sinfonia Sacre V,” sitting on a beanbag eating cheetoes.
Some traditions, no matter where they came from, must be continued!!
121 segues
December 17th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
@fifthsonata (119): Brava! You’ve hit the nail directly on the head.
The classicists have so effected my musical taste that I can listen with rapture to much of World music, most especially much of the African tribal music and Caribbean music, the spiritual acapella from mid-east monasteries and nunnaries .
Beautiful music binds us all together. It is a language we all share. I remember riding with a cabby who had a tape playing, and I found it beautiful.
“What is that music?” I asked him.
“I am Muslim,” he replied, “that is praying”.
That answer was perfect.
122 nuriko
December 17th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
aaawww… nice list…
123 gabi319
December 17th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
@astraya (108):
My (91) says “I would have chosen…” denotes personal preference, astraya. I am – or rather was – a flautist and I generally found more enjoyable challenges from a CPE than from a JS Bach.
124 Scratch
December 17th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
@Yawyack (107):
Nice. No list of composers can be complete without Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-spelltinkle-grandlich-grumblemeyer-spelter-wasser-kurstlich-himble-eisenbahnwagen-guten-abend-bitte-ein-nürnburger-bratwürstel-gespurten-mitz-weimache-luber-hundsfut-gumeraber-schönendanker-kalbsfleisch-mittleraucher-von-Hautkopft of Ulm. Why is he always forgotten?
125 Stacey
December 17th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Where’s Shostakovich? Where’s Stravinsky?
126 Ouroboros
December 17th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Excellent list! Thank you! I have to say I have mixed feelings about Chopin, some of his work is absolutely beautiful. Some of it gives me a serious headache…
127 iheartsatan
December 17th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Doesn’t Beethoven’s music make plants grow faster?
128 matthew
December 17th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
i don’t believe mozart deserves to be higher than beethoven. i’d like to let you finish man, but beethoven was the most influential composer of all time! wagner and brahms both cited beethoven as prime influences (the former having an unhealthy obsession with the beeth’s) and his ninth symphony is essentially what ushered in the romantic period. mozart was of course a master of his time and is often associated with timeless music and form-mastery, but beethoven really did expand music and did not necessarily relegate his music to classical structure.
i’m also surprised debussy, stravinsky or schoenberg were not included.
but yeah, i guess there isn’t any set criteria for how the composers are placed and like easy said, music is pretty subjective…
129 uglywomansguide
December 17th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
This post makes me think of the movie, Mr. Holland’s Opus. I wonder if two generations from now, school children will know anything about these remarkable men. Sigh.
Rose
130 bassbait
December 17th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
At Christlike (14)
Come ON!
I mean the beatles is good, but composition-wise they not only wouldn’t exist without these ten, but they also aren’t even CLOSE to as good as these ten. Even popularity wise. Let’s see, what do people remember more, Twinkle Twinkle Little Star or Imagine by John Lennon? Well, Twinkle Twinkle Little Star! That was written by mozart. The “composers” that you named are no more than pop acts, where as these guys were revolutionizing music, and Bach especially deserves top spot.
131 Vera Lynn
December 17th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
I was lucky enough to work at Ravinia Park in Highland Park, Illinois for 10 years and to hear many of these performed by the Chicago Symphony Orchestra as well as many other pieces by them. It was a dream job. I also met many many people including YoYo Ma (sp?). I also played many works by these composers having played the flute for orchestra and band since I was 9.
132 astraya
December 17th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
gabi: Even if it’s your personal choice, the title is still “greatest composers of all time”. That means that the list can’t just be your (or anyone else’s) personal choice.
segue: The Two Ronnies did a brief skit of the first 30 seconds or so (up until the end of the first “Hallelujah” section).
bassbait: Mozart did not write that. Someone else wrote it and Mozard wrote a set of piano variations on it. And why is it so famous? How many people know it from Mozart and how many people know it from parents, grandparents, older siblings, kindergarten staff or the Disney corporation?
Vera: (envy!!!!)
133 Mz Jade Mercedes
December 17th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
I Think That Top Pick is Definately Bach! But I am also a huge Fan of Hyden and Mozart
Claudio Monteverdi is great too!
How Do I get people to read my blogs on wordpress?? im new to the whole thing!
134 Aaron
December 17th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
What was with the chorus in the 1812 Overture, I’ve never heard that before and I’ve heard the overture countless times.
135 The boy from Troy
December 17th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
I think the main objection is that when people log on to Listverse, they expect the universal opinion ie. which seems the most appropriate and not any personal liking, but then I don’t support that theory else everything would be mighty boring eg. in case of ‘top 10 greatest boxers’- one generally expects Ali to be on the top, but Rocky Marciano was a good change- it makes people think on the subject and maintains the spirit of the quest for knowledge.
All I have to say is:
** Thank you flamehorse for your lists** Keep up the good work!
136 The boy from Troy
December 17th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
@ianz09 (104): Hey where is ur gravatar man,I wanna see you n your famous gun
137 Vera Lynn
December 17th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Did anybody else hear the “clink-clink” sounds in the Verdi clip(10) at 1:35? What is that?
138 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
December 17th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Just got a chance to read this. Nice list! Learned a bunch.
139 flamehorse
December 17th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Thanks, everyone. This is actually a very old list I sent in, I think the first. This is a list I compiled after years of reflection, since I listen almost exclusively to Classical music. I’m working on some other stuff right now, which should be up in a few days, depending on how busy Christmas makes me.
140 The_Snowdog
December 17th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
I can’t make an educated comment on the list since I don’t know that much about classical music
This is no fault of the list – the fault is mine since I do like classical but haven’t taken the time to delve into it deeply.
I do know that one of my favorite pieces is Pachelbel’s Canon in D and was disappointed not to see Pachelbel on the list but again I do not have knowledge of Pachelbel’s body of work compared to names on the list.
And the other piece I really love is Rachmaninov’s “Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini Op. 43, Variation XVIII” made famous I guess by the movie Somewhere in Time
I would love to be able to pick up a guitar, violin, piano, or anything and start playing some of these classical pieces.
Alas, with my lack of musical talent, the only instrument I can play is the radio.
141 flamehorse
December 17th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
@The boy from Troy (136): You made my day.
Thanks.
@The_Snowdog (141): Thanks for not dismissing it as “booooooooring.”
142 BravehisTickle
December 17th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
@General Tits Von Chodehoffen (139): Hey, I want to know if there are any videos of your band on youtube, can you share the link?
143 flamehorse
December 17th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
@bucslim (70): I can pull that off.
144 matthew
December 18th, 2009 at 12:32 am
@the_snowdog
if you can play the radio, you are fully competent to play “imaginary landscape 4″ by john cage! it’s a piece for 12 radios.
145 gabi319
December 18th, 2009 at 1:34 am
@astraya (133):
The author of the list is flamehorse – NOT me – therefore I wasn’t subject any particular limitations of unbias within my own comment. Flamehorse compiled a list of some great composers and I liked what I saw. It was my *personal* opinion that JSBach is just meh and so I wrote that in my *personal* comment.
Yes, the title is Greatest Composers of All Time and I do believe any composer who played a heavy role in ushering in a new movement (as did CPE Bach) could be considered a Great.
146 salfordio
December 18th, 2009 at 2:59 am
Only really have a place for three in the genre in my heart – Beethoven, Wagner (music only – singing does my head in) and Stockhausen. Good list though. Taken me awhile to comment as I’ve played through all the clips.
147 salfordio
December 18th, 2009 at 3:07 am
Carole@52
He was also a bit of a dick to some of his friends. Neitzsche for instance. Still, nobody is all bad. Hitler made a mean lasagne.
148 astraya
December 18th, 2009 at 4:48 am
Dear gabi,
Your first comment was “Well, regards to the list, I probably would’ve chosen CPE Bach over JS Bach”.
You were clearly referring to the list, not to your personal opinion.
Love and best wishes always from astraya
149 superdries
December 18th, 2009 at 5:02 am
i think you should have included josquin deprez, the greatest renaissance composer ever. you forgot to include any renaissance composer by the way.
150 gabi319
December 18th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Dear astraya (149):
That was written that way because I started off way off-topic with the “…-centric” complaints of published list. I try my hardest to not completely disregard the list or the author’s work and so I stopped the “…-centric” babble and focused on the actual list by writing “Well, regards to the list” to segue into a new topic.
It WAS my personal opinion that was talking about THIS particular list rather than lists in general.
Hugs and kisses (but none in a form that would make your wife angry) from gabi
151 Dan
December 18th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart – “The most gifted musical genius in history, the most famous genius of any field in history, and the perfecter of Classical music.” and his in 2nd place?!
Bad choice on top3
The right one would be like this :
3 – Bach
2 – Beethoven
1 – Mozart
152 shadydeathrow
December 18th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
lol @ the halleluja chorus it really made me laugh.
Seriously now this list should be named “top 15 greatest composers of cllasical music”, not of all time. There are great composers tha didn’t write classical music, like Dr.Dre for example.
153 qw0rtz
December 18th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
It’s Georg Friedrich Händel, not George Frederick Handel!
154 shadydeathrow
December 18th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
that
155 Dan
December 18th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
lol @ shadydeathrow
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG DUDE… -.-’
156 Scratch
December 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
@Dan (156):
I think Dr. Dre would have been somewhere between Tchaikovsky and Wagner in terms of the brilliance of his composing.
157 0110×011
December 18th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Great list, but omitting Stravinsky is criminal. He was really the last composer of concert music (not classical music, classical is a period, not a genre) to create a widely felt and broad ranging revolution in composition. We have yet to see another composer of that caliber have the same influence.
158 Cleveland
December 18th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Because of this list, I love classical music now! I;ve always wanted to be in orchestra (I play trombone), but now I even more so want to be!
But I still gotta keep my musical interests wide… I love everything from Mozart to Muse, Bach to Lady GaGa, the list goes on…
159 Gus
December 18th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
What is the name of the composer for Jurrasic Park he is amazing composer of Classical Music…. Can’t think og the name and I am too lazy to go onto IMDB right now to cehck it out….
160 Gus
December 18th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
I decided to overcome my laziness and look it up it is
John Williams amazing composer
161 GaRipper
December 18th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
John Williams is not a “great composer”, he’s an over-rated composer who stretched his creativity beyond the breaking point a decade ago. Everything he writes nowadays is derivative of previous works of his own and others. The same can be said for another popular one these days, Hans Zimmer. Danny Elfman is the best one out there right now. He has a style that is instantly recognizable, yet he has managed to consistently deliver new material.
162 GaRipper
December 18th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
At least as far as modern film composition goes, but that’s really all most people know these days aside from Mozart and Beethoven.
163 GaRipper
December 18th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
At least as far as contemporary composition goes, but that’s really all most people know these days aside from Mozart and Beethoven.
164 andy
December 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
The is a great list with some good clips, but actually, Handel never became court composer after his arrival in England in 1711. The official position of Master of the King’s Musick was held by John Eccles until 1735, Maurice Greene until 1755 and then William Boyce until 1779, well after Handel’s death in 1759. In fact, Boyce was largely ignored by the time of his death in 1779 as King George III, under whom Boyce was Master, was so completely devoted to the music of Handel that Boyce was pretty much forced to write in a High Baroque style, not the Galant style that became popular in England around the 1770s or so.
165 calm_incense
December 18th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Oh man, I LOVE classical music, so as soon as I saw this list on ListVerse’s front page yesterday on the train (on my iPhone), I KNEW I was going to have a doozy with this one, both with the list itself and the comments.
To preface, YES this list is OF COURSE going to be “biased”, by the very fact that both “music” and the criteria for what qualifies as “great” are inevitably subjective. If you’re “angry” about who are on or not on this list, or the ranking of this list, you need to GET OVER YOURSELF.
So, here’s my input:
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Intro:
Amen. I can’t believe it’s taken this long to have a “Greatest Composers of All Time” list. I’m pretty sure we’ve already had multiple lists for authors and directors. This list was long overdue.
Oh, and props for making this list have 15 entries. If people were already bitching about THIS list missing their favorites, imagine how much moaning there would be with a TEN-entry list. -__-
15. Franz Joseph Haydn:
Interesting how you dismiss his symphonies, when they more or less are what he is best known for. I do, however, agree that his symphonies tend to sound the redundant, but then again, I think the same could be said of many composers: You can certainly tell when you’re listening to Chopin, Mozart, or Bach. I think it’s more that his symphonies just lack that extra oomph that would make them more worthwhile listens. The common sentiment seems to be: “Why listen to Haydn when you could listen to Mozart?”. Hehe, indeed.
14. George Frederick Handel
This guy’s music’s always seemed rather boring to me. Indeed, I do tend to view his music as “water music”, and not in the good way (ala Takemitsu, heh). And I tend not to care for choral works, so Hallelujah does nothing for me.
13. Sergei Rachmaninov
I was quite surprised to see him placed so low on the list. Perhaps even more surprised to see no mention of his four symphonies (one of them being his unnumbered choral symphony, “The Bells”), as well as his masterful symphonic poem, “The Isle of the Dead”.
But it is true that people seem not to go crazy over Rachmaninov the same way they go crazy over, say, Mahler or Tchaikovsky. I guess his stern music just leaves some a little cold. o.O
12. Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Tchaikovsky’s a tricky one. In some way I believe he is both overrated AND underrated – the former by his followers, the latter by his critics. His symphonies do nothing for me – they are MUCH too brash, loud, and blaring. It’s almost like I’m listening to Hans Zimmer (LOL). Meanwhile, “Nutcracker” is beautifully and exquisitely done, and of course his other ballets follow suite. His first piano concerto is entertaining, but his violin concerto bores me. Perhaps it’s just my recording (Semyon Bychkov, 1992), but “Eugene Onegin” does nothing for me. Much of his other “weepy” music is also too, for lack of a better word, “wimpy” for me.
11. Gustav Mahler
Glad to see him on the list, though his symphonies certainly do tend to invoke that “bleh” response from those not in the mood (myself included, no doubt). I actually prefer Bruckner to Mahler; even if his music wasn’t quite as inventive, it is certainly easier to swallow (albeit equally challenged when it comes to brevity, LOL). Mahler is definitely one of those composers of whom I appreciate more than I enjoy. My favorite of his symphonies would probably be his bookends – the first and the tenth.
10. Giuseppe Verdi
It’s funny, I simply don’t have ANYTHING by this guy. I’ve never been a big opera fan, but while I’ve got many operas from the likes of Puccini, Wagner, and a handful of non-exclusively-operatic composers, I’ve got nothing by Verdi. Ah, well. Perhaps after I get into Puccini.
9. Johannes Brahms
A fair inclusion. The common sentiment seems to be that his chamber music is easier to swallow than his symphonic works, and I do agree. I personally love his first piano concerto. The first movement of his German Requiem is beautiful, though I’ve yet to fully embrace the rest.
8. Franz Liszt
I was quite shocked to see Liszt placed so highly on this list, above the likes of Brahms and Mahler. Well, fair enough. His music seems rather one-dimensional to me, and relies almost ubiquitously on its aesthetics, but meh, his music certainly can be enjoyable if you’re in the mood. “Totentanz” certainly does rock harder than most rock bands.
7. Frederic Chopin
I was quite surprised to see Chopin rank so highly as well, although Chopin happens to be one of the composers whose music I most enjoy. Considering his lack of instrumental territory, I suppose you could say he didn’t do much, but what he did do, he did so greatly.
6. Robert Schumann
Now THIS one truly caught me off-guard as well. Schumann’s music has always struck me as rather stale and boring, which certainly isn’t what you’d expect given his history of mental instability. Perhaps the edgier composers of the High Romantic era spoiled me, and I can’t appreciate the subtler, more conservative nature of Schumann’s style. Ah, well. More on this later…
5. Franz Schubert
…like now. In the same way that Haydn strikes me as a less-exciting predecessor to a more innovative Mozart, Schubert has always struck me as a less-exciting predecessor to a more innovative Beethoven (the chain goes on, mind you). Of course, it is unfair to judge Schubert in the context of those who came after him, but what can ya do – life is unfair. As I’ve probably made clear multiple times in this post, I don’t care much for vocal music, so I can’t appreciate his lied.
4. Richard Wagner
A fair placement. As apathetic as I am for opera, his orchestral “incidental” music is absolutely stunning and engrossing. It’s a shame he didn’t write a couple of symphonies (he did indeed write a symphony, but it was a very early work, and likely not representative of the genius of his more mature years).
3. Ludwig van Beethoven
Well, the top three were a big “duh”. I do know that many consider Beethoven to be the greatest composer of all time, so his placement at number three was nonetheless still not *entirely* too predictable. Listening to his Große Fuge, I can’t help but feel like all the “innovation” of 20th-century Modernism (ala Stravinsky, Shostakovich, and co.) to be nothing more than a bastardized return to this 1826 work. [/*que shitstorm*]
2. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Well, considering Mozart was either going to be No. 2 or No. 1, I was glad to see his placement at No. 2. It took me awhile to warm up to his light, “bouncy” style, but once I did, I appreciated the melodic depth and layered complexity of his works. Still, I can only listen to so much of him before they all start running together (not unlike lesser composers such as Vivaldi).
1. Johann Sebastian Bach
Fair enough. A safe choice to be sure. Bach’s music truly is unique among all peers, either historically contemporaneous or of any that would come to follow. His music beckons a very ethereal “spiritual” factor that I’ve not heard in the works of any other composer (occasionally hinted at by Hovhaness, though in a very different, and much less enthralling and engaging, way). I’m not a fan of all his works, but no composer’s music lights up the mood quite like Bach’s. A great alternative to the depressing melancholy of all the Romanticists.
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Now, for the fun part:
@christlike (14):
“This list should specify “Classical Music Composers”. There are a lot of other music composers of other types of music that are considered brilliant such as: Stevie Wonder, Prince, Charlie Parker, T.Monk, John Lennon,etc. This is a list for snobs.”
Sorry, but none of those individuals belong on this list. Furthermore, this list is sufficiently titled.
@Bakken (16):
“Where in the hell is Edward Grieg??????? Should be atleast top 5. But not even on the list??”
Where in the hell is he? Not on this list, and that’s exactly where he belongs. Top 5? He’d be lucky to make the top 20.
@Secillic (18):
“I think John Cage should have been thrown in there at some point.”
Why? For variety? Cage was more of a music philosopher than a composer. I don’t really see how someone who relied on aleatoric music could be considered a greater compose than the likes of Ravel and Dvořák. -_-
@Arsnl (27):
“hey but what about pierre boulez. In a list with 15 i was pretty sure boulez would make it. It would have given this list some originality.”
What’s more important? Giving the list “originality”, or making it ACCURATE?
@The boy from Troy (29):
“Hoo boy, no Indian composer here- seriously, hasn’t any of you heard Indian music? like ever? Lez see how much interest that list would generate- about Indian composers.. bet people would say- how boring, who wants to know about India.”
Drowning in a river of self-pity, much? Geeze.
@oouchan (42):
“Wonder if John Williams has a place among these great composers?”
Hopefully not.
@filipinoknight (43):
“And also it should say classic composers, because you have modern day composers such as Williams, Horner, and Shore.”
Ugh, no. This list is perfectly adequately titled. What have any of those composers done that hadn’t already been done before?
@FamousAmos (47):
“Danny Elfman? Come on, the opening to Men In Black is brilliant!”
I enjoy Elfman’s music as much as the next guy (Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure, Beetlejuice, and Batman Returns are all delicious), but he doesn’t belong here. Maybe if his entire scores were as interesting as his main titles, he’d have a shot, if not for ear-candy alone.
@Karl (48):
“This list is so inaccurate. As a lover of classical music I think that Bach shouldn’t be on top of the list because he’s too average.”
“Average”? Who ELSE wrote music that sounded even REMOTELY like Bach’s?
“Why not we make a Top 25 Greatest Composers list???? That would be much better.”
Well, gee, you know what? Why not make a Top 50 Greatest Composers List????? That would be SO much better. Or, wait a minute, I just got a BRILLIANT idea! Why not make a Top 100 Composers List?!?! OH MY GOD MY GENIUS IS TOO MUCH!!!!
@El the erf (49):
I HIGHLY enjoy Indonesian gamelan. But can you really say any individual gamelan composer was more talented than, say, Wagner or Beethoven?
“Anyway, if it was for me to compose this list, Hans Zimmer would take the top spot hands down.”
Er…interesting.
@Stevezio (55):
“Missing is Roger Waters at #1″
…
@Cubone (57):
“you forgot John Williams”
I’m pretty sure he didn’t.
@annebonannie (61):
“Title should have read “Top 15 Greatest WESTERN Composers of all Time”.”
Who would you say are some specific Eastern composers that belong in these ranks?
@ianz09 (73):
I’m curious to hear it, though I can’t help but expect for it to suck. I’m disappointed Serj didn’t even do his own orchestral arrangements – how lazy is that? At least Matthew Bellamy, as disappointing as his album was, did his own orchestral arrangements for Muse’s “The Resistance”.
@Dan (152):
“Bad choice on top3
The right one would be like this :
3 – Bach
2 – Beethoven
1 – Mozart”
“Bad choice”, even though they’re the exact same choices as yours, just in a slightly different order? Wow, talking about someone being full of himself.
@shadydeathrow (153):
“There are great composers tha didn’t write classical music, like Dr.Dre for example.”
If you really believe Dr. Dre belongs in the company of the composers on this list, you really don’t understand classical music. At all.
@GaRipper (162):
Interesting comment. I do agree, to an extent, though I haven’t hard enough recent film music to know whether to truly agree or disagree. I do know that Elfman’s main titles for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was rather stunning (not to mention, the songs were pretty damn good as well). Williams certainly has become rather boring, for me at last. I can’t even listen to his 70s scores, simply because pop culture has become too inundated with them. I got sick of the Star Wars main title a LONG time ago, and now I can’t even listen to his entire scores for the saga, because the overly-familiar parts ruin the rest of the experience for me. Ditto for Indiana Jones and the like.
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*whew*
166 GaRipper
December 18th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
@calm_incense (166)
When I write my Master’s thesis I will be doing it on John Williams and his penchant for recycling. His music provides me with a lot of entertainment, not for the complexity or grandiosity, but because i enjoy identifying other scores he has reused. just the other day I was watching to Jurassic Park, and the slow menacing motif he uses in that film is almost exactly the spaceship communication motif from Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
167 Scratch
December 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
@calm_incense (166):
That is one thorough comment.
168 calm_incense
December 18th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
@GaRipper (167):
Certainly. Though, I do appreciate that he has more recently made efforts to step out of that mold. Memoirs of a Geisha and War of the Worlds, albeit nothing new or innovative, were at least different directions for himself as a composer. Certainly the first time I remember getting déjà vu due to Williams was when listening to the beginning of the fourth movement of Dvořák’s ninth symphony, which struck me as a much more interesting “rendition” of Jaws, although I cannot say with any certainty whether or not it was from where the motif was actually derived.
Then again, the brassy major theme of that same movement seems to foreshadow a plethora of similarly-sounding swashbuckling pirate film scores to come, so certainly Williams isn’t alone in his recycling.
169 segues
December 18th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
@calm_incense (166): That must be some train ride!
Love the comments, btw.
170 calm_incense
December 18th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
@segues (170):
Lol, I was on the train yesterday, and I postponed writing my comment until today. There’s no way I could write all that on my iPhone. ^_^
171 Vera Lynn
December 18th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Aaron (135) I have heard the 1812 Overture many times (they do it at Ravinia Park every 4th of July) and thats the way it’s played. I don’t know what version you’ve heard, but that part is always played. Its a portrayal of the war. Its battling anthems.
172 Vera Lynn
December 18th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
(Hit enter too soon.) The French and Russian.
173 john m
December 18th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
i’ve been a quiet fan of classical music for a small amount of time, though i can’t really play any intstruments. i think this list is pretty damn good. i casually skim over as many comments as i can stand so i sound somewhat intelligent.
the problem with people who comment on lists they know very little about is that they just come across as ignorant. I AM ABOUT TO MAKE MYSELF SOUND IGNORANT. you have been warned.
i enjoy pachelbel’s canon but he’s a classical “one hit wonder”. as far as i’m concerned the same can be said for vivaldi. he was (i believe) a priest/clergyman of some kind of and a virtuoso on violin but i can’t name a thing of his except the four seasons, and i doubt anything else is much different.
again, i can name very few pieces by grieg, yeah the march of the mountain king is cool but what else can you name?, or wagner, i know he has ridiculously long operas but i doubt most of it is all that enjoyable. ride of the valkyries is one of the most overused classical pieces ever.
i’ve always thought of bach (j.s.) as a bit of a mature adult perfectionist to mozart being a petulant child with more talent but a wild streak. bach’s pieces are perfection but i find them less enjoyable because of that. i think a lot of mozart’s pieces take chances others wouldn’t have.
again, all lists are subjective but i think this list is quite good. and personally i can’t listen to any of chopin’s pieces, there’s just too much going on at once that sounds the same.
174 segues
December 18th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
@john m (174): Well, you DID warn us.
175 segues
December 18th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
@calm_incense (171):…and here I was being all awed by your adeptness with the phone’s keypad!
LOL!
176 porkido
December 18th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
You know what they say about pianists with gigantic hands?
Yep…large chords.
177 salfordio
December 18th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Finally checked though the posts and I fear I am the only one with love for the mighty Stockhausen. Oh well.
178 Mariane
December 19th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Pretty much agree with the list, altough I believe Debussy should have been included in it.
I’ve loved classical music all my life.What is sad is that with some of the very great, only the least of their works are popular.For instance Schubert.To me he is on the level of Bach and for romantic songs Number One, indeed as said above, the greatest songwriter of all times.But even educated people seem to know only his “Unfished symphony” or “Ave Maria” works wich in my opinion are not that great.But most of his songs are realy heavenly f.i. listen at “Auf dem Strom”(On the Stream)performed by the English tenor Ian Bostridge (EMI classics)or his chamber music (piano sonatas and quartets).
Wagner greatest works are also little known f.i. the miraculous “Siegfried Idyl” a symphonic work.
I particularly like the scene in the forrest when the little bird speaks to Siegfried in “The Ring- Siegfried”.Of course I can also understand that to sit trough an opera that last four hours can be a very tiresome ordeal!
179 GaRipper
December 19th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
@calm_incense (169)
I agree with you about Williams not being the only one who recycles. Hans Zimmer’s scores for the Pirates movies all harken back to older pieces; there are strains lifted directly from his scores for Gladiator and the Lion King, not to mention works from the 19th and early 20th century. I think part of it is not so much that they are “plagiarizing” other’s works as being influenced; they probably have heard it before and it stuck in their heads. Howard Shore came to my high school and actually talked about that, and he said they usually don’t notice until someone points it out to them.
I think one reason why Danny Elfman doesn’t repeat so much as the others is that he doesn’t have an actual formal training in music. He still manages to go back and cover old ground sometimes, but it’s only brief moments. He knows his stuff, that’s for sure; using the theme from Gone With the Wind for one section in The Corpse Bride was absolutely hilarious.
180 dostoyevsky
December 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Excellent list. No Josquin or Palestrina? They’re certainly as significant as several of these figures.
181 Dara
December 19th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Bach is no doubt the best of all time. Just listen to Cello Suite No. 1 Prelude, and anybody can see why.
182 calm_incense
December 19th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
I f@Dara (182):
No. 6 > No. 1
183 tony
December 19th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Bravo, you got 1, 2 and 3 right and in the right order, too. But no. 4 Wagner? Yuk, I would put Burt Bacharach above him.
184 Late O’Day
December 19th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
I don’t necessarily disagree with putting Bach above Mozart in the composing arena — but I will note that as a passive fan who has logged a significant amount of listening time to classical music, I find that Mozart “sticks with me” much more than Bach (or anyone else). I can instantly recognize, recall and name a large number of his pieces. I consider that an important litmus test. While Bach dazzles with technical virtuosity, Mozart really does sound like he’s dictating from G-d.
185 calm_incense
December 20th, 2009 at 1:00 am
Funny, because I see it as the complete opposite.
Mozart may have been a dazzling prodigy, but Bach really does sound like he’s dictating from G-d.
186 segues
December 20th, 2009 at 4:40 am
Late O’Day @185
and
calm_incense @186: Just a question which sprang to mind, because the two of you used the same abbreviation in next to posts. What’s up with writing God as G-d? Is there some impoliteness implied in the spelling out of the word, even if it is not taking the Name in vain?
In 13 years of Catholic school that subject never came up. We wrote out the word all the time, respectfully.
Is this something new?
187 calm_incense
December 20th, 2009 at 11:56 am
I personally spelled it like that only to maintain rhetorical consistency with the person to whom I was responding.
But I do recall my comparative religions teacher once saying Jewish people often don’t spell it out due to reverence or scriptural implications. I don’t know if Late O’Day is Jewish, but meh.
Google “jewish people don’t spell out” and you’ll find many questions/answers on this topic.
188 segues
December 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
@calm_incense (188): There were far too many articles (not all agreeing with one another) for me to read through them all, but I managed to get the gist of it.
Thanks for the tip.., calm_incense, I always appreciate learning something new.
189 Sarah
December 21st, 2009 at 7:47 am
Personally, Beethoven would by my number 1.
I would have like to have had a little bit of their history in the list too.
Moan over, as always, a great list.
Happy Christmas.
190 djs070
December 21st, 2009 at 8:46 am
Shame shame. No Dvorak?? I’ve been playing the viola since I was 5 (20 years) and have played in many orchestras and we have performed everything across the classical spectrum; the most memorable piece for me was Dvorak’s 9th symphony in E – minor. It has one of the best known melodies and should have easily made this list for that piece alone.
191 calm_incense
December 21st, 2009 at 9:13 pm
To be honest, I’m sad the comments stopped flowing. There’s so much to discuss about this topic, but the discussion seems to have capped off. =/
192 Kevo
December 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 am
personal honorable mention to Berlioz. Symphonie Fantastique rocks my world more so for what he went through to compose that compared to what you hear in the end result. Sex, drugs and rock n roll!
193 calm_incense
December 22nd, 2009 at 12:34 am
I heard a FANTASTIC live performance of Berlioz’s Symphonie Fantastique last night on the radio by the Rotterdam Philharmonic. The performance was SUPERB. Unfortunately, the two versions I have on my computer don’t seem to be as stunning, but I think it might be because listening to them with earphones doesn’t match listening to them with a car stereo.
For some reason, hearing classical music on the radio is always so exciting, while it tends to be more boring just listening to it on my laptop or iPod. Weird. =/
The Rotterdam performance of the Berlioz symphony can be streamed online, so if this doesn’t excite me the same way, I’ll know it has something to do with my method of listening to music…
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194 Khanis
December 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 am
Good List!
195 Craig In Portland
December 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Where are Aaron Copland and Leonard Bernstein? IMO, THE finest composers of the 20th century.
196 farries
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:01 am
WHERE IS VIVALDI?
197 segues
December 23rd, 2009 at 11:11 am
@farries (197): Vivaldi is dead, and buried in a simple grave at the Hospital Burial Ground in Vienna.
198 helicene13
December 23rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
I personnally would ignore Brahms, as I find he’s a fraud, and replace him by Anton Bruckner.
Vivaldi is missing, Monteverdi, the inventor of opera too.
199 cherubinox
December 24th, 2009 at 9:52 am
I’m pretty happy with the top 5 although I think those who only excelled in one discipline are too high in the list generally e.g. Wagner, Mahler, Chopin, Verdi. Haydn is way too low, every composer repeats himself, if he repeats more often than others, that’s because he wrote more! He wrote 103 symphonies, Beethoven only wrote 9. His symphony and chamber music are both of very high quality, his choral works are shabby either, he really deserves better than 15.
200 Peter
December 25th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Huh ? I’m not in here ? http://www.petervankan.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=14&Itemid=30&lang=en
You’ve got to be joking!
201 Mnisarhus
December 25th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
TOP 5
1)Mozart
2)Beethoven
3)Bach
4)Schubert
5)Wagner
202 calm_incense
December 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
@Peter (201):
To be fair, I’m not here either.
http://matthewschwartz.webs.com
203 Casualreader
December 26th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Composers or others for that matter who innovate or influence are not ‘great’ or ‘the greatest’ per se.
E.g. Mohammed Ali did not invent heavyweight boxing. They belong on a separate list with a title something like The ‘n’ Greatest (whatever) Innovators or Influentials.
Like CPE, composers such as the Stamitz bros and Antonin Reicha were arguably more innovative or influential than JSB. Delightfully listenable they may be, but Great they are not. On the other hand many innately conservative composers are: Bach, Brahms, Bruckner and Sibelius, for example. They are great for the simple reason that they wrote great music according to criteria as indicated earlier here by astraya. In the same way Shakespeare is great because he wrote great plays, not because he invented the format. Ironically, those who bring art to a particular peak of achievement or ‘perfection’ sometimes tend to intimidate those who follow rather than inspiring them. Beethoven did both.
204 clara
December 27th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Awesome list. Lists like these are always going to be subjective, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done (if its done well). Glad to see Haydn included and Bach (JS) to be placed at number one. Disappointed not to see Bartok, who would’ve been in my top ten.
205 ashperc
December 29th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
how about John Philip Sousa?
206 Craig In Portland
December 30th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Sousa wrote marches… not symphonies.
207 calm_incense
December 30th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Indeed. It’s the same reason why I wouldn’t include, say, Scott Joplin. Rags and marches are nice and all, but they don’t really put you in the company of the likes of Mahler and Wagner.
That said, I probably enjoy Joplin more than Wagner or Mahler, so go figure.
Anyone heard his opera, Treemonisha? It’s interesting, with a rather tragic background.
208 Casualreader
January 1st, 2010 at 9:53 am
For some reason or other, some who dislike the music of Brahms and also consider themselves serious musicologists, fall over backwards to deny him the status of serious composer. Personally, with a few exceptions, Liszt’s music does absolutely nothing for me, but that does not qualify me to deny him the status of major composer and great musician.
Brahms has been slated as a failure for shirking writing an opera, and therefore failing to complete a full deck of major genres. OK, apply that to the other 14 above and see how many are left! Liszt and Chopin didn’t even write string quartets, considered by most the foundation of a composers work (Verdi did, and it’s a joy). Apropos, Brahms was greatly admired by Schoenberg.
While differing slightly from the list author’s view, here are 15 reasons of mine for ranking Brahms just below the very greatest:
Piano trio Op. 8
String sextet Op. 18
Händel variations and fugue Op. 24
German Requiem Op. 45
Wiegenlied Op. 49 4
Alto Rhapsody Op. 53
Piano quartet Op. 60
Violin concerto Op. 77
Violin sonata Op. 78
4th symphony Op. 98
Double concerto Op. 102
Motets Op. 110
Clarinet quintet Op. 115
Fantasias Op. 116
Intermezzi Op. 117
Bonus: Hungarian Dances
The Cradle song and Dances provide that ‘tune that everybody knows – even if they don’t know who wrote it’ evidence.
Along with Mozart’s and Beethoven’s quartets and Bach’s Mass, the clarinet quintet has been one of the most consistently chosen of serious pieces by the famous making a selection for a desert island. At times it is the one given if only one were allowed.
209 Casualreader
January 1st, 2010 at 11:07 am
The above notes dashed off carelessly.
First para. should have read to deny (Brahms) the status of great composer.
The last para. intended Mozart’s clarinet quintet, not his quartets.
As an afterthought, the range (and depth) of emotions in Brahms’s output does not lag behind his wide spectrum of genres. From heroic to tragic through sunny to gentle and mellowly autumnal.
210 Rowena
January 5th, 2010 at 12:23 am
Personally, I would put Stravinsky on this list – the finale from the Firebird is astoundingly beautiful, and probably my favourite piece of all time (the rest of the Firebird Suite is up there too). You can’t claim that he doesn’t have the breadth that was one of Astraya’s requirements – his works vary greatly, from huge ballets that are almost never staged now due to the size of the orchestras and the cost but are truly beautiful, through small baroque-like chamber pieces to atonal music. However, I’m not sure who I’d have left off. Probably Rachmaninov, as I have listened to very little of his music, though it would be a shame to miss him – thanks Listverse for introducing me to such wonderful music! I dug out one of my dad’s cds that almost never gets listened to now because after listening to that fraction of music up there I wanted to hear more of his work.
211 Rowena
January 5th, 2010 at 12:41 am
Oh, and I forgot to say – calm_incense, your comments are very interesting and informative and I would love to see more.
I think possibly it is much more exciting listening to classical music on the radio because, for me at least, it turns up less often so it is an unusual and welcomed occasion.
And I went to your website – I must instantly commend you on having even one piece with a harp. Not only that, it’s a piece I like. As a harp player, while admittedly most pieces with harps in are very pretty (by my not at all scientific definition of pretty), they turn up so little so anyone who has music for it earns my thanks for possibly making our lives a little better.
I am enjoying this music. Not that I can talk about it at all technically.
Unfortunately, Peter, your music wouldn’t play on my computer for some reason, so I couldn’t listen to it.
Oh, and to chip in to an earlier conversation, I find that, as an (occasional) amateur composer myself (ok, I only ever get very far if it’s a requirement for schoolwork, being still a student myself), it is very easy to inadvertently steal a phrase or something. Of course, the development will be different to anyone else’s, but still the piece will definitely be reminiscent of something else. It’s not necessarily their fault. I’ve begun developments of pieces before and had to drop them when I’ve realised where the phrase came from.
212 jbradzz
January 7th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
take out hydan, verdi, schmann, handel put in shostakovich top 5, stravinsky top 10 and dvorak and schoenberg in the top 15
213 Tallula
January 13th, 2010 at 12:02 am
Tchaikovsky should be #1
214 Juan C
January 18th, 2010 at 7:29 am
Why rachmaninov? According to me, this composer is quite boring et sentimentalistic. He’s overrated.
Tchaikovsky? His rank is absurd. Stravinsky, Shostakovich and Scriabin are best composers.
Verdi… I can’t understand why he’s on the list. Perhaps in a top 100, but…
Where are Josquin desprez, Clement Janequin, CPE Bach, Ravel, Schönberg, Messiaen ?
215 deathgleaner
January 19th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Why Bach number 1? WHY?
216 Maggot
January 20th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
@deathgleaner (215): Why Bach number 1? WHY?
After a careful analysis of the numbers 2 through 15, I have come to the conclusion that it has something to do with the fact that those numbers had already been assigned to other names. I do hope that this adequately answers your query.
217 nicoleredz3
January 28th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Liszt is my favorite… Then Chopin!
218 S. G. S
February 27th, 2010 at 3:09 am
HA! Bach at number one? That is forgivable – wrong, but forgivable. But to place Mozart before Beethoven? Now THAT is truly something which could only occur as a consequence of profound ignorance. Yes, Beethoven didn’t compose nearly as many works as Mozart did – but quantity should hardly come into the equation. The only thing which should really be considered in the judging and comparing of these minds is the quality of the music which they produced. When one does this it soon becomes obvious that however far Mozart’s technical skill extended, Beethoven’s extended much, much further – into the realms of celestial genius, a place where only one other composer resides; J. S. Bach.
Now, I before mentioned that accepting Bach as the greatest composer of all time is forgivable – wrong, but forgivable.
The simple reason for this statement is that, alas, Beethoven is the greatest composer who ever lived. It is true that in the way of contrapuntal skill and harmonic mastery, Bach remains to be unmatched. However, in the way of motivic development, thematic treatment, structural/dramatic synthesis, rhythmic treatment and tonal architecture, no competent musician will deny that Beethoven stands supreme.
There is more to music than counterpoint. Someone could, for instance, compose a work which displays the most refined contrapuntal technique and yet fails to modulate, develop its thematic material, manipulate rhythmic structures to any effect and/or amount to any kind of tonal or thematic structure, traditional or otherwise.
Now, I am not suggesting for a moment that Bach did not take these factors into consideration. What I am saying, however, is that Bach’s ability in manipulating these musical aspects did not match Beethoven’s.
I advise that you have someone intelligent make an analysis of Beethoven’s third, fifth and seventh symphonies, the late piano sonatas, the Missa Solemnis and the Late String Quartets. Compare these works with any other in history and you will find your list is flawed in it’s evaluation of Beethoven’s ability. That is, if you have any inkling of common sense.
P.S.
If anyone wants to argue that the greatness of a composer is a matter of subjectivity, you are truly devoid of any kind of intellectual capability. Subjectively, all composers are equal, from Bach to Glenn Miller. The only way in which one can justly evaluate a work of music is from an objective view point.
219 thingeh
March 25th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
The lister is clearly not qualified to make a list like this, if he was he wouldn’t have made a statement like this regarding Haydn: “They are more like 1 symphony with 103 variations”. I suggest the lister actually goes and listens to all 104 symphonies before he concerns himself with making an ignorant comment like this, he may also do well to read Charles Rosen’s work on the classical form.
After reading this statement, I’m afraid I got the idea into my head that this list was being made by an idiot: I wasn’t dissapointed. Even if we ignore the rather mindless statements which are made throughout, the lack of inclusion of Richard Strauss, Schoenberg, and Debussy in such a list is insulting enough.
I won’t list everything wrong with this list, as I care not to spend the next hour writing a comment, as I’d be putting more effort into typing this comment than what the listmaker (who basically bought a “Classical greats” C.D. and went onto wikipedia) spent making the blog.
220 John
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:44 pm
My FAVOURITE composer is Bach, but this would have been a more conventional and a fairer list:
10 Prokofiev
9 Tchaikovsky
8 Handel
7 Brahms
6 Schubert
5 Haydn
4 Wagner
3 Mozart
2 Bach
1 Beethoven
Followed, in no order, by Shostakovich, Stravinsky, Vivaldi, Palestrina, Monteverdi, Schoenberg, Schumann, Richard Strauss, Chopin, etc. etc. etc.
221 rogerkni
June 8th, 2010 at 7:17 am
I'm glad that awareness of classical music is being promoted. But there are now two or three pieces (e.g., Beethoven) that are no longer available at the links provided. I hope replacements will be made.
222 Harry
June 22nd, 2010 at 10:04 pm
You don't understant it. The darkness does not comprehend the light.
223 Harry
June 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 pm
The music you speak of is not of the same level. That is to say that their music, while at the top within its own genre cannot express the variety and depth of emotion of classical music. This is in part because vast instrumentental colour available to classical musicians in the use of the orchestra, dynamics and interpretation. Those who don't understant the music of the great composers often use the term snob as an excuse for lack of appreciation. Many are called. Few are chosen.
224 Harry
June 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Yes, I entirely agree. Perhaps the reason is that the romance and tenderness so often prevalent in classical music does not fit in to the inconsiderate moronic mentality of so many people. Naturally, the reasons are more complex. As you say it is a shame. I can't help feeling a certain amount of contempt for those who don't enjoy classical music.
225 Vyacheslav
June 27th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
What do you mean about Chajkovskij, that he is too high is that list??!! You shold be miles away of understanding good music. Unlike others composers, who created more or less famous masterpieces, everything hi wrote is beautiful and his best work I would put on the first place in the list.
For me Chajskovskj is number one at all time composer. Also I wounder why in the list no Musorgskij, whos mucis just amazing?! Where is Glinka or Rimskij-Korsakov? In this case West Europe and the World know nothing about good mucisians.
226 Vyacheslav
June 27th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Absolutly agree about Chajskovskij! He should be number one in the list. Musorgskij is not there-another nonsence
227 Some guy
July 3rd, 2010 at 1:22 am
This list is the 394729th greatest list in the history of mankind!!!!! In particular, the 124th sentence was amazing!!!! I would rate it as the 48372693082764th greatest sentence ever composed!!!!!!!!!
228 whateee
July 6th, 2010 at 12:19 am
Oh fuck off dude, people can cuss and be fully educated; it's just words, get over it. Have you ever see Penn & Teller's Bullshit series by chance?
Sidenote, I like most of the the music on here. I prefer Vivaldi though.
229 asdfg
July 6th, 2010 at 12:21 am
no you are not.
Also omg didnt u noes! Beethove is a devil! http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/homemake/beeth...
230 Guest
July 10th, 2010 at 6:48 am
As a toddler, my favorite music was an old DG cassette of the Brandenburg Concerti I found in the attic. I must have listened to it thousands of times. No one told me I had to like it, or even bought it for me. I just loved it, and I have no idea why. It was concerti 2, 3, and 5. To this day, Bach remains my favorite composer by a good margin. I was not educated (could not even read), was not wealthy (grew up in an old mill town where most of the factories had gone under), and didn't really even know the name of the pieces. I am no musical genius either, or for that matter, even a musician.
So if you really want to believe a 3 yr old kid playing an old cassette of Bach's music in a poor town on an old radio shack cassette recorder was doing it for snob value, then whatever.
231 Jerry Anvious
July 18th, 2010 at 2:59 am
Extra thought:
Paragraph three: I mean to say that the list fails to take into account the musical thought of the twentieth century. Composers like Rachmanninov lived and composed in the twentieth century. However, in the case of Rachmanninov (like others), they composed in a late nineteenth century idiom. Another example is Richard Strauss (certainly far more a master of composition than Haydn, Handel, Rachmanninov, Liszt, and especially Schumann, or at least in his earlier works (tone poems, Elektra and Salome)), who primarily worked in a nineteenth century style but lived long into the twentieth.
232 Original Poster
July 25th, 2010 at 4:18 am
OP here. You fuckers have all been trolled.
Miles Davis is the greatest composer/bandleader/musician of all time. His SHADOW possesses more talent than your classical prettyboys.
Listen to "Birth of the Cool", you fools.
233 robert_k
July 27th, 2010 at 12:20 am
Maybe this list is quite a bit germanophilic, don't you think?. I miss some scandinavian, french or even hispanic composers. And italians are definitely underrated: Palestrina, Monteverdi, Vivaldi, Rossini, Bellini, Donizzetti, Leoncavallo, Puccini… And, needless to say, this is an occidental list rather than a universal one.
234 john
July 30th, 2010 at 12:50 am
Tagore ought to be on the list