With this season’s Super Bowl upon us, I thought it would be a good time for a list about American Football. I know, I know…every time a list is posted that features this sport, howls of protest ensue: “This is too American, outside the U.S., no one cares”, or “It’s not ‘real football’ (aka international futbol)”, or “Unlike rugby, these wimps wear pads and helmets”, and so on. Whatever man, we seasoned Listversers have heard it all before, ad nauseum. And so, in response I say: Get over it. Tomorrow will be a new list, perhaps one that is more to your liking. In the meantime, stop your whining, sit your candy-asses down, and check out this list and these video clips of some of the meanest, most badass NFL players ever to have strapped on the cleats. You don’t have to be a fan, but I ask that you just respect that these guys played the game like it was meant to be played, leaving it all on the field and then some. And for those of you that ARE fans of the National Football League, sit back and enjoy! And if your favorite player isn’t listed here, by all means tell us about him in the comments and maybe treat us to a bonus clip.
Please note, in the interests of full disclosure, I wish to address this here rather than in the inevitable comments: NFL Films produces and airs on the NFL Network cable channel a program called “Top 10”, which ranks and showcases players, teams, games, and other notable achievements in various categories for each hour-long episode. I hereby acknowledge that my list closely resembles an episode of theirs titled “Most Feared Tacklers”. Now truthfully, I was not even aware of this program’s existence until I had written the majority of my list and began looking for highlight film to accompany each of my entries. Consequently, some of the clips I am featuring here are taken from that program because it turned out to be the best footage available on a given player. I have credited those clips accordingly in the applicable entries. As with other sports-related ranking lists, it’s not uncommon for one to draw similar conclusions as those that have come before. However, I can assure you that the framework of this list was based on personal knowledge supplemented with independent research to add detail, my selections and rankings for this list are my own, and that my write-ups here are original material (with the exception of a few specific quotes).
1965-1975 Baltimore Colts, 1976 Seattle Seahawks, 1977-1978 Washington Redskins
Mike “Mad Dog” Curtis was drafted out of Duke by the Baltimore Colts in the first round (14th overall) of the 1965 NFL draft. Initially drafted as a fullback, he was soon converted to linebacker as coaches became impressed by his aggressive play. Aptly nicknamed, Mad Dog was a tenacious defender and an intimidating tackler. In his role as team captain, the 6’ 3” 232 lb. Curtis was a fierce competitor both on the field and during practice, never allowing his teammates to let up or take a play off. During his 14 year career, Curtis was voted to four Pro Bowls, made all-pro five times, played in two Super Bowls and earned a championship ring in the Colts’ Super Bowl V win over the Dallas Cowboys. It was his interception in the final minute of that game that set up the Colts’ winning field goal.
1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-2007 Denver Broncos
This 6’ 2” 220 lb. hard-hitting DB out of Stanford University was selected in the third round of the 1993 draft by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and enjoyed a stellar 15 year career. As an integral member of the league’s number one ranked defense in 2002, he celebrated a victory with the Bucs against the Oakland Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII. Playing with reckless abandon all over the field, Lynch always seemed to make the highlight reel following each week’s game. Despite his aggressive style of play, Lynch was surprisingly durable, missing only but a few games during his career due to injury. Lynch was a nine-time Pro Bowl selection and earned all-pro honors on four occasions.
1958 – 1972 Green Bay Packers
Ray Nitschke was the heart and soul of the great Packers defenses during Green Bay’s dynasty years of the 1960s, playing on five championship teams, including the first two Super Bowl winners. A real gentleman off the field, on game day he was a mean S.O.B. who seemed to truly enjoy hitting people. QB Bart Starr once called him a “classic example of Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde”. A 3rd round draft pick in 1958 out of Illinois, the 6’ 3” 235 lb middle linebacker earned either first- or second-team all-league recognition seven times and made the Pro Bowl in 1964. He was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1978, his first year of eligibility. Post-retirement, his role as Bogdanski in the 1974 Burt Reynolds film The Longest Yard was particularly humorous and memorable.
1961-1971 Los Angeles Rams, 1972-1973 San Diego Chargers, 1974 Washington Redskins
This once obscure 14th round draft pick of the Los Angeles Rams revolutionized the position of defensive end. The “Secretary of Defense” as he was known, anchored the left side of the Rams famed Fearsome Foursome defensive line for 11 years before being traded to the San Diego Chargers in 1972. Exceptionally fast and agile for his size, the imposing 6’ 5” 272 lb. Jones developed into an outstanding pass rusher, delivering punishing hits on opposing QBs. He coined the term “quarterback sack”, and if sacks had been an officially recorded statistic during his career, his unofficial total of 173 ½ was tops by a huge margin at the time of his retirement in 1974. Today that total would put him at third on the all-time list. Jones also invented and perfected the head-slap maneuver, a practice that was widely emulated by others during his time but has since been outlawed by the league. Jones amassed eight Pro Bowl selections and five first-team all-pro honors during his career. He was voted into the Hall of Fame in 1980. This clip is from NFL Films “Top Ten Pass Rushers”, where Deacon was ranked #1.
1974-1984 Pittsburgh Steelers
“Number 58 comes to play.” As the backbone of the legendary “Steel Curtain” Pittsburgh Steeler defenses of the 70’s, Jack Lambert gets the nod here over teammate “Mean” Joe Greene. Another off-field gentleman, in uniform this guy was tough as nails, and his familiar maniacal toothless scowl was an intimidating sight to behold. As NFL rules were undergoing modifications in effort to better protect vulnerable quarterbacks from injury, Lambert is remembered for making the famous and oft-quoted remark “you should just put dresses on them”. A second round draft pick in 1974, Lambert won Rookie of the Year honors that season, one in which the Steelers won the first of four championships during his tenure. In 1976 he was named Defensive Player of the Year. A consummate pro, Lambert spent his entire eleven-year career with the Steelers, making the Pro Bowl nine times, all-pro nine times, and was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1990. He is regarded as one of the best linebackers of his generation.
1989-1998 Denver Broncos, 1999 N.Y. Jets
After a stellar collegiate career at the University of Arkansas, the Denver Broncos chose Steve Atwater with the 20th pick in the first round of the 1989 draft. The 6’ 3” 218 lb. former Razorback was an immediate upgrade to the Broncos’ poor defense, as the first-year player led the team in tackles and finished second in Defensive Rookie of the Year voting. Atwater quickly developed a reputation around the league as a fierce hitter, and in his second season it was his shot on Kansas City Chiefs 253 lb. running back Christian Okoye (aka “The Nigerian Nightmare”) that defined his career. Up to that point, Okoye was running roughshod over every defense he faced, but in one of the best hits I’ve ever seen, Atwater straight up knocked him on his ass. Another awesome performance was during the Broncos’ Super Bowl XXXII victory over the Green Bay Packers. Atwater virtually owned the Packers that day, but most memorable was a play he made during the Pack’s final drive that nearly knocked out three players including himself. In all, Atwater played in 3 Super Bowls earning two rings, was voted to eight Pro Bowls, and was named all-pro six times. Not a member of the Hall of Fame as of this writing, Steve Atwater certainly is worthy and would definitely have my vote. Ranked #9 in the NFL Films Most Feared Tacklers episode, this clip is his segment from that program.
1981-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991-1992 Los Angeles Raiders, 1993-1994 N.Y. Jets
By the late 1970’s, the San Francisco 49ers had become one of the worst teams in the league, posting back-to-back 2-14 seasons in ’78 and ’79. That all changed in 1981, due in part to coach Bill Walsh’s bold decision to draft AND START not one but three rookies in the Niners’ defensive backfield. Leading the way was first round draft pick (8th overall) Ronnie Lott out of USC, who was instrumental in bringing a sorely lacking toughness to the Niner secondary. The 6 foot 203 lb. Lott entered the league as a corner and a few years later switched to safety, which gave him even more opportunities to make big plays. Lott’s game-changing hits were legendary. If I may interject a bit of personal nostalgia – as a life-long 49er fan, my favorite Ronnie Lott memory (among oh so many) is number 42 laying the wood on the Cincinnati Bengals’ previously unstoppable running-back Ickey Woods in Super Bowl XXIII. That hit turned the game’s momentum in favor of the 49ers and rendered Woods a non-factor for the rest of the day. Former Dallas Cowboys coach Tom Landry once said of Lott: “He’s like a middle linebacker playing safety. He’s devastating.” During his illustrious career, Lott played in 10 Pro Bowls (voted in at three different positions – cornerback, strong-safety and free-safety), was named all-pro nine-times (also at those three positions), and won four championships with the 49ers during the 1980’s. He was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2000.
1971-1979 Oakland Raiders, 1980 Houston Oilers
Known as “The Assassin”, Jack Tatum is one badass mofo. “I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.” he once said of his play. Selected 19th overall out of Ohio State by the Oakland Raiders in the 1971 draft, the three-time Pro Bowler’s mayhem spanned 10 seasons and left many players in his wake. Unfortunately his most infamous hit is one that occurred during a 1978 preseason game against the New England Patriots and left Pats wide-receiver Darryl Stingley a permanent quadriplegic. Tatum was also the catalyst for one of the most famous plays in NFL history. In a 1972 playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Tatum delivered what should’ve been the game-ending hit on running-back Frenchy Fuqua as he was attempting to catch a desperation pass from Terry Bradshaw in the game’s waning seconds. Tatum’s perfectly timed blow knocked the ball loose, but miraculously into the hands of Steeler teammate Franco Harris, who ran it in for the winning score. It was henceforth to be known as the Immaculate Reception. Tatum did earn a Super Bowl ring with the Raiders a few years later though, and his bone-jarring hit in that game on Minnesota Vikings wide-receiver Sammy White that sent White’s helmet flying is considered by many to be the most brutal hit in Super Bowl history. This clip highlights Tatum as NFL Films #6 Most Feared Tackler.
1981-1993 N.Y. Giants
Taken second overall by the New York Giants in the 1981 NFL draft, the former Tar Heel known as “LT” made an immediate impact on the league, earning Defensive Rookie of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year honors that season. LT’s looming presence at linebacker struck fear in the hearts of men on the other side of the line of scrimmage. His attacking style changed the way the outside linebacker position was played. Opposing teams routinely game-planned around trying to neutralize Taylor or to avoid his part of the field, which was near impossible since his speed and quickness enabled him to cover so much ground. He came at you from everywhere. Washington Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs specifically developed the two tight-end set in effort to stop his blitzing rampages. Honors and awards accumulated during LT’s 13 year playing career include a unanimous selection as 1986 league MVP, three-time Defensive Player of the Year, 10 Pro Bowl appearances, eight-time first-team all-pro honors, and two Super Bowl rings. Enshrined into Canton in 1999, LT is considered by many to be the greatest defensive player in the history of the game.
1965-1973, Chicago Bears
“He was Moby Dick in a goldfish bowl”. That is my favorite description of the great Chicago Bears middle linebacker, as heard in the clip accompanying this entry. Opposing players often had a deer-in-the-headlights look of fear when seeing the behemoth number 51 barreling down on them. The next thing they knew, they were picking clumps of turf out of their facemask and spitting out blood. Ernie Accorsi, GM of the NY Giants once said of Butkus: “When he hit you, you stayed hit.” During his time in the league, the 6’ 3”, 245 lb. Butkus virtually rewrote the book on linebacking. A first round draft pick (3rd overall) by the Bears in 1965, the former Fighting Illini was an eight-time all-pro, and made the Pro Bowl in each of his first 8 years in the league. He averaged 120 tackles per year during those eight seasons. A master at knocking the ball loose with the ferocity of his tackles, his 25 fumble recoveries was a NFL record at the time of his retirement. Unfortunately his career was cut short due to a knee injury, but his legacy continues with college football’s prestigious Dick Butkus Award, which is given annually to the nation’s most outstanding linebacker, and is a testament to his spectacular career. Butkus was a first-ballot Hall of Famer, entering Canton in 1979.
1952-1953 Los Angeles Rams, 1954-1959 Chicago Cardinals, 1960-1965 Detroit Lions
As usual, 10 spots on a list just isn’t enough. Dick “Night Train” Lane definitely deserves a place in my Top 10, but then who do I remove to make room? It was such a dilemma to me that I’m including him as a Bonus entry so you can decide. Lane enjoyed an outstanding 14 year NFL career, but it was one that started unassumingly as an undrafted walk-on to the Los Angeles Rams’ 1952 training camp. That ultimately led to a 14 interception rookie campaign (in only 12 games!), an NFL record that still stands today. His skills weren’t limited to defending passes though. Simply put, Train was a headhunter. A deadly open-field tackler, Lane perfected the art of the clothesline maneuver and head tackling, techniques later banned by the league for safety reasons. Lane enjoyed his finest seasons as a Detroit Lion. In all, Lane was a ten-time all-pro and played in seven Pro Bowls. He entered the Hall in 1974.
Honorable Mention:
Chuck Bednarik – Linebacker, 1949-1962 Philadelphia Eagles
Hardy Brown – Linebacker, 1950 Baltimore Colts & Washington Redskins, 1951-1955 San Francisco 49ers, 1956 Chicago Cardinals, 1960 Denver Broncos (AFL).
Willie Lanier – Linebacker, 1967-1977 Kansas City Chiefs (AFL and NFL)
Bruce Smith – Defensive End, 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000-2003 Washington Redskins
Reggie White – Defensive End, 1985-1992 Philadelphia Eagles, 1993-1998 Green Bay Packers, 1999 Carolina Panthers
Ray Lewis – Linebacker, 1996-present Baltimore Ravens
Primary sources:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
http://www.profootballhof.com/
http://espn.go.com/nfl/
http://www.nfl.com/
















1 gremlinmiller
January 31st, 2010 at 1:33 am
good list
2 El the erf
January 31st, 2010 at 1:42 am
The grouse is not that a particular sport list is american.
The grouse is that they are ALWAYS american goddamit.
3 Nazim The Pro
January 31st, 2010 at 1:42 am
lol i thought it was an NHL list XD
4 MPW
January 31st, 2010 at 1:49 am
I can’t argue with this list. Well done.
5 Why no asians?
January 31st, 2010 at 2:03 am
nice list
6 moulix
January 31st, 2010 at 2:03 am
Only term i understood in this list was clothesline, whoch is used in wrestling…
7 astraya
January 31st, 2010 at 2:06 am
With a name like Dick Butkus, no wonder he’s a hard hitter!
8 astrya
January 31st, 2010 at 2:08 am
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9 astrya
January 31st, 2010 at 2:10 am
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10 astrya
January 31st, 2010 at 2:11 am
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11 Avi
January 31st, 2010 at 2:12 am
Please no one say this list is too american!
12 SLiK-RO
January 31st, 2010 at 2:16 am
European sports suk….
how can Europeans say American football is for pussies when our players are about 10x bigger than small faggot 130lb. rugby players…go somewhere with yourself…
13 astrya
January 31st, 2010 at 2:25 am
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14 af
January 31st, 2010 at 2:27 am
i don’t think it’s too american, people around the world follow NFL. i don’t, but my uncles do
15 deeeziner
January 31st, 2010 at 2:28 am
I’ll comment when the juvenile troll has left.
16 astrya
January 31st, 2010 at 2:31 am
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17 Moloch1123
January 31st, 2010 at 2:38 am
@El the erf (2): And yet… if you were to move to America, you wouldn’t care anymore. This is assuming that you’re not some anti-America American retard, like those morons who bash Wal-Mart for “being too big”.
Once again, if you want to do a non-American list, do it yourself.
18 SLiK-RO
January 31st, 2010 at 2:54 am
Why does everyone outside the US think the world revolves around them….obviously if the rest of the world were as interesting as the US then people would care more
but I guess not
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19 worm
January 31st, 2010 at 2:56 am
there are really only 3 words for this list: fake and gay.
20 DC
January 31st, 2010 at 2:57 am
Some people are very pathetic…but anyway, I really enjoyed this list even though I’m European and I don’t watch American football. Well done!!
21 icarusfoundyou
January 31st, 2010 at 3:03 am
Well, I know nothing about this sport, but I still appreciate the hard work and surprisingly educational content here, good work! It’s a shame it’s been trivialised by some of the childish comments…
22 hjforthewin
January 31st, 2010 at 3:22 am
God, I love football. signed, An American girl who loves football, not sissy soccer.
23 Anthony
January 31st, 2010 at 3:22 am
Probably one of the best list I’ve read. Good job Maggot. I mean its hard to argue with, you have done your research young man. I don’t think there’s one thing I disagree with on this list. Just think how players felt when Jack was on the other side of the ball.
24 Gregory
January 31st, 2010 at 3:26 am
another American list…yawn
25 shirokuma
January 31st, 2010 at 3:29 am
None of that names would ring a sound. Just skipped the list. What a waste of electrons on the internet.
There are other really specialized lists here on listverse, but probably few which are so specialized both in topic and environment like this one.
But no criticism without being constructive:
The author clearly didn’t even care to make this list more appealing to others than Americans! Maybe next time people should use INTERNATIONAL terms of communication. Like the METRIC SYSTEM.
“According to the US CIA World Factbook in 2006, the International System of Units is the official system of measurement for all nations except for Burma, Liberia, and the United States.(Some sources identify Burma and/or Liberia as metric, however.)”
(- Thank you, wikipedia)
26 Oe Jay
January 31st, 2010 at 3:30 am
cool list
27 EngineerAdam
January 31st, 2010 at 3:34 am
Perhaps Ray Lewis? What is wrong with you people, if you don’t like this site then don’t come to it. And if you don’t like the list then just let it be, or actually do something about it like making your own list.
28 Hairy
January 31st, 2010 at 3:35 am
Why not do a list about the amount of padding wear in this gay “sport”?
29 3wer4
January 31st, 2010 at 3:38 am
@SLiK-RO (15):
They are 10x bigger because they are decked out in PADS you fookin pansy. If you need tights, a helmet and shoulder pads then you are just a bunch of pussies. And what sort of man wear tights in the first place anyway? Sheesh!
30 evilspwn
January 31st, 2010 at 3:53 am
rugby over american football anyday. and cricket over baseball.
31 JTV
January 31st, 2010 at 3:53 am
Well Done OP…..
32 JTV
January 31st, 2010 at 3:54 am
@evilspwn (34): trollin
33 deeeziner
January 31st, 2010 at 3:56 am
I liked the list Maggot. Quite a few names that I grew up with.
Looking forward to next week’s Superbowl.
34 ZedroZ
January 31st, 2010 at 4:02 am
Personally i’m not an American and therefore know virtually nothing about the sport. Having said that, I have seen a few games on the tv it does look very skillful, not to mention painful. Being English i’m naturally more of a football (no, it’s not called soccer) fan. But hey, good list, very informative!
Maybe i’ll be converted, but I doubt it
35 necro_penguin
January 31st, 2010 at 4:02 am
lambert always scared the shit out of me. ever since i watched him as a kid.
i can’t really complain about you’re rankings here. it looks pretty good.
maybe if this were a top 25 or 30 ryan clark could be in there somewhere. polamalu is the guy who throws himself around recklessly but clark just kills people.
36 Eurotrash
January 31st, 2010 at 4:13 am
“European sports suk….
how can Europeans say American football is for pussies when our players are about 10x bigger than small faggot 130lb. rugby players…go somewhere with yourself…”
Have you seen ski jumping? Thats a mans sport.
An of course we have bear baiting, cock fighting and hooliganism.
37 SURYA
January 31st, 2010 at 4:28 am
What’s next? “Top ten bizarre girlfriends of baseball stars” ?
38 Jojo
January 31st, 2010 at 4:32 am
Comments 11, 12, 13 & 16 were made by Astrya NOT Astraya! You will notice that Astraya’s picture of the Sydney Opera House is not shown on the right side of the imposter’s comments.
I know Astraya personally and he would never use that kind of language … or be so grammatically incorrect!
39 Perdalo
January 31st, 2010 at 4:53 am
What’s next? “Top ten baseball wonders of the world including stuff about the walmart and top ten american movie stars that have or have not won an oscar” ?
40 SURYA
January 31st, 2010 at 4:58 am
And then probably “Top ten bacteria that are found in an average American toilet”
41 This sux
January 31st, 2010 at 5:00 am
Another American list I think I’ll scroll by this one would be great if someone like the half a dozen trolls created their own list so we could all skip theirs.
42 The_Snowdog
January 31st, 2010 at 5:00 am
Well I can’t argue too much about the list.
Being a Philadelphia Eagle fan I’m glad to see you included Check Bednarik in the “Honorable Mention” category. He knocked Frank Gifford into retirement.
Instead of Reggie White I would have included either one of Andre Waters or Byron Evans. I would towards Andre Waters. That guy hit hard.
There are others that should be mentioned:
Ray Lewis
Mike Singletary
Bill Romanowski
I read a quote attributed to Lawrence Taylor talking about how he hit the Eagles QB Ron Jaworski:
“I hit Jaworski that way – with an over-the-head ax job. I thought his dick was going to drop in the dirt.”
That quote is hilarious.
43 rain
January 31st, 2010 at 5:13 am
Rugby is more physical than football. . .
Football sucks. . .
44 Anthony
January 31st, 2010 at 5:14 am
Quick question, if you don’t like the list, and you know American football doesn’t appeal to you, why do you read and comment on the list?
http://listverse.com/2007/08/29/top-10-international-martial-arts/
http://listverse.com/2009/12/06/top-10-emotional-olympic-moments/
http://listverse.com/2009/08/08/top-10-footballers-who-never-played-at-a-world-cup/
http://listverse.com/2009/07/04/30-incredibly-hilarious-sports-photos/
http://listverse.com/2009/02/19/top-10-international-rugby-teams/
http://listverse.com/2008/12/11/top-20-football-players-of-all-time/
All of these list are international, and that’s sports. Stop whining. If you want list the aren’t american then read and re-read these ones.
45 get a clue
January 31st, 2010 at 5:21 am
Let the trollboys have their fun.
After all, they can only beat off to net porn so many times a day without recharging.
First they cum on themselves and then they come over here to flog their puny ideas. The only “top 10″ list they are capable of compiling is of free porn sites. And they would submit it…if their keyboards weren’t all sticky.
46 oouchan
January 31st, 2010 at 5:24 am
Not a big fan of football (I prefer Arena Football), but it was well done and well written, Maggot! I enjoyed it greatly. I did remember Butkus when I was younger. My dad always liked him as a player.
Good list!
47 DiscHuker
January 31st, 2010 at 5:35 am
Well done list. I love the NFL and even more so this year as a life long Saints fan. The names that first jumped in my head when I read the title were Lott, Singletary and Ditka. And your are right, Atwater’s hit on Okoye might be the best one ever. And one more thing…WHO DAT!!!!!!!!
48 Ender
January 31st, 2010 at 5:42 am
I wish the trolls around here weren’t too afraid to write their own lists and submit them. No chance anything they could write would ever be good enough. Maybe a list of the worst submissions.
And, just to add some fuel to the fire: America makes up about 14% of the world’s population but over 25% of its internet users. The percentage of English readers would place the American usage even higher. So, jfrater should ignore over 25% of the world so some troll can say “Finally, a list about the Top Ten Deciduous Trees of the Romanian Forests?”
As far as the list – I have no interest in the subject matter but it is well put together and an appreciated contribution.
49 ronsantohof
January 31st, 2010 at 5:43 am
What the hell is going on in cricket anyway? The only match that made any sense to me is on Monty Python when the furniture was playing!
50 skeletor
January 31st, 2010 at 5:48 am
Long time viewer of this site (since the first months), frankly I cant stand the posting now. It use to be fun and intellectual (look at the first lists) now it is nothing but hate mail.
I enjoyed your list maggot, I was hoping my man Ray Lewis would make it, I certaintly think he hits harder than John Lynch. Did you see that lick he put on Ochocinco this year?
Anti-American hate posts are a sad site (any hate for any country is ignorance, unless you live there and have a damn good reason, I mean a really really good reason).
51 Muscarius
January 31st, 2010 at 5:50 am
This game is an enigma. Only USA citizen can understand it.
52 MAdhav
January 31st, 2010 at 5:56 am
this might be a controversial thing to say but relatively speaking i think Rugby players tale harder hits than football players seeing as they have no padding wahtsoever.
53 undaunted warrior
January 31st, 2010 at 5:58 am
Enjoyed the read got to agree with “Harold” that the list was well written.
Thanks Maggot.
54 dbrownl
January 31st, 2010 at 5:59 am
i love the list but you have one glaring ommission that should be number 1 on the list…Mike Singletary
55 dbrownl
January 31st, 2010 at 6:01 am
@MAdhav (52): obviouslly you know nothing about rugby, sure they have no pads but they are only allowed to wrap tackle, they can’t just fly in and knock the shit out of someone, i played both, i do like rugby better though but football i the one with the highlight reel hits…also i am not an american citizen and i love nfl
56 MAdhav
January 31st, 2010 at 6:02 am
ok in light of maggot said in the intro i probably shud just take back my cooment consider it taken bacl
57 amadee
January 31st, 2010 at 6:06 am
Possibly the most boring and dull list in the universe of listverse!”oooooo don’t hurt me even tho i am wearing body armour and a crash helmet!!” ….Pathetic sport indeed.
58 dbrownl
January 31st, 2010 at 6:13 am
@amadee (57): said by one who has never put down the xbox remote and left his mother’s basement
59 Yakuza
January 31st, 2010 at 6:17 am
I think there seems to be a need of a new category called “American”. This list belongs there!
60 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 6:22 am
Wow…..I am surprised at how dumb people are that read these lists. I wish we could have a filter for dumb ass people. Do people not understand these lists are meant to be informative. Why does everything have to cause hate…..I guess it has to do with the nature of blogs and the anonymity of the internet. Get a life half of the posters here. Football or Soccer, whatever you want to call it are both enjoyable sports to watch if you understand them. Please can half the people on this website get a life.
Please stop posting if you are drunk…….it really takes away from the value this site provides!
61 elbobbo
January 31st, 2010 at 6:24 am
Chuck Cecil? He hit so hard that he was almost an inch shorter when he retired than when he was drafted because he compressed his spine.
You almost have to divide this into eras though, guys like Deacon Jones and Nitschke could not have done half of their moves to get free now. Also because of the pussification of the NFL there will never be the great hitters there used to be. God forbid you breathe on the quarterback or touch a receiver when he’s in the air or your helmet so much as rubs on another player. Within ten years the NFL will be the National Flagfootball League.
62 Rolo Tomasi
January 31st, 2010 at 6:27 am
Nice list Maggot. Two guys that could have been number 10 on your list: Fred “the hammer” Williamson and Chuck Cecil. Two HUGE hitters and some would say cheap shot artists also.
63 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 6:31 am
@amadee (57): Also by the person who thinks people dont cry wolf in their favorite sport of soccer!
64 Miss_Info
January 31st, 2010 at 6:31 am
Nice List!
65 NTG
January 31st, 2010 at 6:37 am
Chuck Cecil should have been on this list.
66 Michael
January 31st, 2010 at 6:39 am
dbrownl… You’re a loser
67 Gerbil
January 31st, 2010 at 6:49 am
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68 SURYA
January 31st, 2010 at 7:16 am
The point is Americans will never know how good are they in Football unless they find another nation playing it. It’s like playing cards with your wife and children all day long and then making a list of top three players in your household.
69 gabi319
January 31st, 2010 at 7:23 am
Great List, Maggot! I must confess that seeing someone getting hit makes me giggle so I loved starting the day off with these clips you’ve provided! The more bone-jarring and noisy the hit, the more adorable my giggle (or so I’ve been told). That’s why I love contact sports like football and hockey and occasionally, doubles tennis against friends, lol.
You know you’re old when the tweenies around you know of Dick Butkus not as a major figure in the NFL but instead as a dude who wears football sweaters in films like Kicking and Screaming. *sigh….*
Nicely done list, Maggot.
70 TCR
January 31st, 2010 at 7:24 am
@Ender (48): One of my big pet hates is people randomly making up stats on the internet. 14% of the worlds population would put America’s at like 1 billion people. Try 3-4% maybe. I don’t know about the internet usage one but given your track record I’m guessing you just pulled that one out of your arse as well.
71 Lifeschool
January 31st, 2010 at 7:28 am
Too American! – Worst List Ever!
Seriously though, a brave attempt Maggot – well done.
72 mcswede
January 31st, 2010 at 7:30 am
alot of people on here need to read the intro of the list n stop bitching, hell i hate this port but i liked the list- intresting and informative as ever– remember people a day when you learn something new, no matter what it is, is a day not wasted
73 dbrownl
January 31st, 2010 at 7:36 am
@Michael (66): haha thats awesome
74 mcswede
January 31st, 2010 at 7:44 am
@dbrownl (55): who only wrap tackles in rugby? have u watched new zealand lately? or france? or england? or springbox? or any game… ever?
75 julius
January 31st, 2010 at 7:50 am
Seriously stop complaining about lists being too american. There are other lists like the top 10 international rugby teams, is that also too american? or top 10 exotic places to visit and there isnt a place in the us on it. American Football isnt my favourite sport but a lot of people enjoy it and it is written for these people, not for people who can’t do anything but spam “oh no the list contains an item from america” or “football is for pussies”, anyone who ever played football can tell you its not for pussies, its fucking exhausting and you will be sore after a game. If you don’t like lists that have anything to do with america, go write your own fucking lists morons. And BTW im not american.
76 mcswede
January 31st, 2010 at 7:52 am
@julius (75): Preach!
77 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 8:01 am
@SURYA (68): The point also is……. imagine if our (America’s) best athletes played yours sports like Lebron James at center field or Koby Bryant playing a hooker in rugby, would we excel. The fact is (I hate to say it but) but America has better athletes than any other country. Ryan Giggs or Wayne Rooney does not even compare to American athletes. Our culture does not care for European sports as they tend to be boring and low scoring. I appreciate your sports, but you have to understand you sports are just as boring and cry baby as ours……Its the same thing……you cant tell me every other tackle in “soccer” is an acting job…..Just as every foul in basketball is garbage….Please dont tell me someones sports is superior…..IT THE SAME SHIT with different actions………don’t let me start on cricket…..probably as bad as baseball, if not worse.
78 Drenchweed
January 31st, 2010 at 8:06 am
Wow…this list was almost a controversial as the abortion one a while back. Anyway, whatever the complaints its a good list…I might have added Mike Singletary, I don’t know if he’s a big hitter, but he made huge impacts on the game. thanks maggot – good list
79 NickMatrix
January 31st, 2010 at 8:15 am
As a huge NFL fan, I approve this list. Bruuuuuucccceee definitely shoulda broken out of the honourable mentions though. The man had 200 sacks playing from a 3-4 end position most of his career. That is stellar.
80 Caroline
January 31st, 2010 at 8:21 am
I AM American, I like soccer more than American football, I don’t think the world revolves around me and I was raised with the idea of “if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything at all.” If you don’t like the list that’s fine. You are entitled to your own opinion. But please don’t resort to non-constructive criticism, sweeping generalizations about America and its citizens, and personal insults. Why waste so much time, energy, emotion and hate on a single list on a single website that in the grand scheme of things doesn’t matter? You don’t have to read the list, and you are welcome to redirect your misplaced hatred into a more positive avenue such as writing your own list.
81 Gabriel
January 31st, 2010 at 8:24 am
I’m not american, but i do like american football.
I liked this list.
82 randomprecision24
January 31st, 2010 at 8:27 am
Is it just me, or did the NFL just overall suck this year? No one really seems that good. Even when my Eagles made the playoffs, I still thought they weren’t that good. I’m still not convinced the Saints are any good. I couldn’t tell you why, but there just didn’t seem to be any intensity in the entire league this season.
But nice list Maggot, I was hoping for Reggie White and Brian Dawkins.
83 SURYA
January 31st, 2010 at 8:27 am
Keystonelight51(77): Wayne Rooney is not an athlete, he plays soccer.
“Our culture does not care for European sports as they tend to be boring and low scoring.”
If scoring 2000 points is all that pleases you, why don’t you guys play National Monopoly League?
84 mcswede
January 31st, 2010 at 8:36 am
@Drenchweed (78): “America has better athletes than any other country” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Summer_Olympics_medal_table#Medal_table
how can u say america has the best athletes in the world? i didnt realise that geographical location had an affect on your fitness etc… also if your stars in the nfl did try playing top flight rugby they wouldnt neccessarily excel. Also how is it your culture is not intressed in “boring and low scoring” sports…. u created baseball…
however i do agree that no sport is better than another, its like saying one genre of music is better than another, its all up to the individual
85 mcswede
January 31st, 2010 at 8:45 am
sorry wrong ‘@’ then
@Keystonelight51 (77): it was aimed at you sir
86 julius
January 31st, 2010 at 8:51 am
You cant claim that one sport is better than the other, or some sports are boring. i.E. Cricket/baseball, watch a cricket match without knowing the techniques/rules and it will be boring. But if you actually know what is going on it is a whole lot of fun and action. @Keystonelight51
(77): I am sure some of the Nfl guys would do fine in rugby, but the same thing applies the other way around, players like Schalk Burger and Richie McCaw would excel at american football. And pro football (soccer) players are probably some of the fittest and best athletes on the planet. Also try watching European Handball, its the fastest and highest scoring sport I know.
Also your “superior” american sports are clearly stolen/developed from european sports with baseball coming from Cricket and Am. Football, coming from Rugby. And both these sports you got from the british, whose colony America was, so dont talk about your “culture” cause you barely have any.
87 timmar68
January 31st, 2010 at 8:55 am
Football is not for wimps. The players from yesteryear took such beatings that they are having terrible health problems now. Some have brain damage. There’s a reason they wear helmets and padding.
Oh, and we won’t discuss how the Packers did this year. (sigh) Just wait ’til next year!
88 Packeranatic
January 31st, 2010 at 8:57 am
Glad to see Ray Nitschke up there, would have been awesome to see Reggie White.
89 mcswede
January 31st, 2010 at 9:03 am
@julius (86): again… Preach!!!
90 unhustler
January 31st, 2010 at 9:09 am
Nice list minus the Ray Lewis omission.
As for the anti American-, anti football-, anti anything that isn’t in your wheelhouse posts, it’s enjoyable to see such a broad range of lists. I don’t always read every single one ( particularly religious lists as I find them far too subjective), but would like to think myself open enough to learning a bit more of the world without having to rely on vitriol in the comments section.
I rarely read the comments other than to see other peoples omission suggestions, but the trolls on this comment section are in rare form today. Let it go– a WoW list is probably right around the corner!
91 Maximuz04
January 31st, 2010 at 9:11 am
Hey Ray Lewis was Snubbed!!!!, Does anyone remember I think … superbowl 35?… When the ravens (yes the RAVENS) won… they didnt exactly have an explosive offense if I recall correctly. But I did see him as an honorable mention and am not old enough to remember anyone but Lynch
92 bucslim
January 31st, 2010 at 9:12 am
I think you did a fantastic job Maggot. I think you did your research on a difficult topic and all of the greats are on the list.
To bad you got saddled with the most troll infested comment section I’ve seen in a while.
93 Maximuz04
January 31st, 2010 at 9:14 am
@julius (86):
Whoa America doesnt have culture? Whose culture isnt mixed now and days. But anyways you must not travel much because anywhere you go, music, fashion, television, entertainment etc are in many ways influenced by american pop culture. I am not saying its something to be proud of, i am just saying your argument is faulty.
94 bucslim
January 31st, 2010 at 9:16 am
I know Ray Lewis is a talented guy, and he was rightly placed in the honorable mentions.
I just can’t stand him. That gran mal seizure thing he does when the teams are coming on to the field is ridiculous and stupid. I just wish these guys would play football instead of prancing around like someone put a hot coal in their shorts.
95 Maximuz04
January 31st, 2010 at 9:18 am
@unhustler (90):
I actually, weirdly enough, would LOVE to see a World of Warcraft list!
I am actually not a player myself, but I had a handful of friends in college who were addicted. I also tried the game once before (but didnt really dive into it, too time consuming) but was fascinated in that no game comes close to WoWs complexity. No game is longer… and in fact, no game is even CLOSE to be as long as wow, or as deep.
This in and of itself I find a marvel of Computer programing, which I find fascinating, so Id be curious to know about players, lands, creatures, dungeons etc!
96 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 9:19 am
@SURYA (83): So soccer players are not athletes…okay you must be misguided and are not qualified to post opinions on sports. I dont understand your 2000 points reference must be cricket… not sure but not sure what you mean…..
So thank you @mcswede (84): for supporting my opinion….no country has better sports….lets not forget Asia and the numerous continents that exist in the world….. every culture has their sports so why should we rip on one or the other…..your point is very well taken… i was trying to make a point about the whole of the comment section of why American sports suck…. we cant judge when every other country in the world has their own national sport….thank you
@julius (86): you validate my point…no sport is better than the other. We all have very difficult sports and none is better than the other..I have being sarcastic about Americans being better… If you like a sport you should like it….I know and understand cricket, my point was that people compare baseball/cricket to each other as they do tend to be slower action sports. I love all sports and again my point was prove the contradictions of the previous posters….American sports don’t suck nor do European, and every other place in the worlds sports don’t suck….it is personal preference.
Thank you
97 happypants78
January 31st, 2010 at 9:20 am
I didn’t read the list today, just read the intro, and had to come in and point out that it’s never a good time for a list about football, American or otherwise. More factlets!!
98 Jake
January 31st, 2010 at 9:22 am
Its hard to appreciate the sports of other countries especially if you dont understand the rules. Most Americans are turned off by soccer because of the low scoring nature of the games. My favorite sport is basketball which I think allows me to enjoy soccer because when both are played correctly the passing and connection (almost telepathic) between teammates is beautiful to watch. That being said I dont know anything about rugby so I watched a “hard rugby hits” clip on youtube and wow…
Ya NFL players are wearing pads, but the guy doing the hitting is wearing pads too so I’d guess its roughly the same impact. Either way I dont think I’d like to be the guy being hit in either sport.
Good list.
99 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 9:28 am
@ Keystonelight51 96: knowing that it was meant sarcastically puts your comment in a better perspective!
100 SLiK-RO
January 31st, 2010 at 9:31 am
They see me trollin’…they hatin’.
If this list is too American, then look up your own shitty european sites….
get outta .com…go to ur own shit.
motha fucka.
101 SURYA
January 31st, 2010 at 9:31 am
Keystonelight51 (96):
“So soccer players are not athletes…okay you must be misguided and are not qualified to post opinions on sports.”
Semantically yes but technically no.
We don’t say Ussain Bolt and Diego Maradona play the same sports.
102 jake ryder
January 31st, 2010 at 9:32 am
Despite not being American I do love the NFL. I even forgive how over-hyped it can be.
Well done list expected LT to be #1 and was pleasently surprised to see Butkus. My bad for forgetting about him.
103 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 9:33 am
@Julius (99): Thank you, Like I said i think talking about the best sports is highly subjective. I truly enjoys all sports as i enjoy the competitive nature of all sports…….I seriously look forward to South Africa 2010…..watch out for Team USA….lol
104 wahhhh!
January 31st, 2010 at 9:34 am
Europeans whine way too much.
105 undaunted warrior
January 31st, 2010 at 9:34 am
@julius(86) Well said Im just curious, I see your avitar is the SA flag are you in the country or have you emigrated ?
I live in the RSA.
I have family in the UK and they are here on holiday at the momment.
They flew out about 2 weeks ago and the temp. their was – 6when they left and it was 32 deg. here when they arrived in Durban.
All the family over their wears there (Bokke) jerseys and caps when they go to a game, pity about Mickey leaving as coach for the Proteas.
106 Francis
January 31st, 2010 at 9:34 am
This is a list which you would expect from a maggot and apparently its the writer’s name and no wonder he is lame as the list! What a waste ! The NFL players and the gay fans are losers!
107 bassbait
January 31st, 2010 at 9:35 am
You’d better watch out for Dick Buttkiss!
But in all honesty, when I read that name, I immediately thought about Beavis and Butthead.
108 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 9:36 am
@SURYA (101): you are the one that said he was not an athlete…Maybe I am taking your comment in the wrong way…but someone that plays sports is an athlete…not sure where you are coming from on this one
109 wahhhh!
January 31st, 2010 at 9:39 am
The NFL is a product of the Revolutionary War!
Pussies need not apply.
110 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 9:41 am
@ undaunted Warrior (105): Ive lived in CT for 6 years, but actually I am german, I love SA though, the most beautiful country in the world!
111 Tryclyde
January 31st, 2010 at 9:42 am
@julius (86): Possibly the dumbest comment I have seen on this site. Yeah, America has no culture. What drugs are you on?
112 Brian
January 31st, 2010 at 9:43 am
NFL= National Fag League
113 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 9:46 am
@Brian (112): thats a dumb comment…thanks for adding nothing to this list!
114 Tryclyde
January 31st, 2010 at 9:57 am
Also, why is there such animosity here? I don’t know an extraordinary amount about cricket or rugby but would welcome lists about them in order to learn more and broaden my horizons. Comparing sports or arguing that one is tougher than the other is utterly ridiculous and pointless.
Whenever someone criticizes a list because they don’t find it interesting, all they’re doing is showing how self-centered, narrow-minded, and childish they are. These negative comments are by far the worst part of this site. Just respect a well-written list instead of condescending to infantile remarks.
115 Tryclyde
January 31st, 2010 at 9:59 am
@Brian (112): Hence my point
116 Freddy
January 31st, 2010 at 10:09 am
@julius (75): It says have your say, not shove it up others assess!
117 mathilda2
January 31st, 2010 at 10:14 am
Very interesting list, maggot. I cannot say whether it is a “good” one or not as I am not that very familiar with most football players, but I was very pleased to see Jack Lambert on it – I live in Pittsburgh. As such, I’ll let you all in on a secret known to Steeler fans but not too many others – the Steelers did not really suck this year as it appeared. Actually, the Rooneys feel it is very poor form and very unsporting to continually beat other teams even though the Steelers are in fact far superior to all others. So, often the Steelers have “off” years in which they allow other teams to win so that they do not get completely discouraged and quit, kind of like when your dad would let you win a game at checkers when you were a kid.
I remember when this site was almost troll-free. I wish the trolls would go off and post comments on YouTube videos or somewhere which would be more appropriate for their maturity levels. “Yur a fag! No U R! no yu!”
118 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 10:19 am
@ freddy (116): And what exactly are you doing then?
@ tryclyde (114): Most people don’t want to broaden their horizons and seeing that the internet is relatively anonymous they think they can just post whatever they want without consequences.
@ tryclyde (111): The point I was trying to make is that america has very little unique culture, because it is such a melting pot. Plus culture is not just museums etc. It is a way of life that starts with manners, your eating habits, and your general knowledge and in that aspect the average american has very little culture. Im on nicotin and caffeine btw.
119 undaunted warrior
January 31st, 2010 at 10:24 am
These commenters are realy getting out of hand, 6 months ago it was not even half as bad – time to get your whip out Mom and get some law and order back into this site.
@Julius(110) Thanks for the reply.
120 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 10:28 am
@ undaunted warrior: back when Youtube started I rate there were some reasonable comments there too…hope it doesn’t escalate as much here
121 Monigan
January 31st, 2010 at 10:31 am
Although short lived, Sean Taylor belongs on this list at least as an honorable mention. One of the hardest hitters ever, he threw his body around with no regard for his own safety.
122 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
January 31st, 2010 at 10:49 am
@hjforthewin (26): You are probably sexy as hell!
@mathilda2 (117): Steelers for life!!!!
Speaking of the Steelers, there could be a whole top 10 list just about the hardest hitting on our team. Think about the Steel Curtain. Plus now we have Troy who could easily be on the list, and Hines Ward who is probably the hardest hitting offensive player in the game.
123 JUNQUEMAN
January 31st, 2010 at 10:50 am
Ahh, I remember the Great O J Simpson was running for a touch down in the Rose Bowl, and Jack Tatum ran his raggedy ass down and prevented that sure thing touch down. I’ll tell you this, if Jack Tatum had played soccer or rugby or anyother sport, he’d still be MR. BAD ASS. I saw too many guys miss a catch because they heard footsteps from Mr. Tatum.
124 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
January 31st, 2010 at 11:07 am
Hines Ward could be totally the only offensive player on this list.
125 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 11:10 am
@Julius (118): Ouch, that hurts us Americans…….If your opinion is that we take culture from yours…there must be a reason why…..yours sucked!!! Why do you think people left the European colonies? They sucked ass……….Yes we take a lot of our ancestry from the European cultures, Americans have a unique culture and that is clearly apparent why everyone hates us. We took parts in other cultures along time ago and have succeed in taking the best from them. That is not a negative but rather a fact of evolution. We make a home apart from the old traditions. Is that to be frowned upon? I am so sick of people ripping on Americans, we have just as much on you Brits (lets just call it colonialism). Just be pissed off about your life and lets recognize ever white race has done bad in this world. Jesus Christ lets get over this hatred and call it a day. I am sorry Brits….the ugly redhead of America, i am sorry the Brits wanna be Americans, I am sorry Germans wish shit never happened, I am sorry for of Europe for the Marshall Plan…..lets move on…..please!
Go USA soccer beat that South African Ass. Woot, Woot!!!!!!
Is this not a sports list?
126 Winston
January 31st, 2010 at 11:11 am
Candy-ass? Yeh good journalism there sunshine
Too American.
127 stung4ever
January 31st, 2010 at 11:12 am
How about an honorary mention to Hines Ward?
Not a Steelers fan, but the guy dishes out some big hits, especially considering he’s a Wide Receiver.
128 jfrater
January 31st, 2010 at 11:18 am
Okay – I have done my best to tidy up some of the troll comments. Phew!
129 rational
January 31st, 2010 at 11:19 am
for anyone that says football is soft for wearing pads, i want you to just imagine being hit by one of these guys like lewis, allen, williams, or ware. if there lead with there head, and your not whering a helmet, or chest pads you are gonna be takin the fuck out maybe for good. these guys are modern day spartans, except they are spoiled beyong beleif starting in grade school. but there physicality is something we all respect and watch.
anyway saints win 34-30 and only one month till spring training for yankee baseball down in tampa!
130 mom424
January 31st, 2010 at 11:30 am
What an awesome list Maggot. I care very little for football (lets start another war – CFL vs NFL) but I was enthralled by it anyway. Excellent writing; interesting, informative and personal. The video clips you’ve chosen are just perfect. You’ve made me a fan of these particular NFL players – a definite win.
Seems to me that today’s comment section proves that we’re failing our youth. Does no one teach manners? El the Erf was not our own little buddy btw – same deal as the phony Astraya. The number counts aren’t going to work because there are too many to just mark ‘em all deleted.
131 samiis
January 31st, 2010 at 11:30 am
Football is SO not a pussy sport. My brother was on the high school football team and after four seasons, had two concussions, a torn ACL, and multiple bruises and scratches. As for the people who said that the only reason football players are so big is because of their pads… um, they weigh an average of 250-300 pounds. That’s about an average of 130 kg. Also, if you want respect for your country/sport, please show respect to other countries. I understand that the U.S. is not the only country in the world and blah, blah, blah, but this list is done due to the forthcoming Superbowl. I’m assuming that a football(soccer) list will be coming for the World Cup this year (can’t wait!!!) and maybe one for the winter Olympics, so just suck it up. Whining and bitching won’t do anything.
132 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 11:39 am
@ keystonelight51 (125): Oh yeah developing like a hundred different fast-food chains is clearly taking the best out of the european cuisine. People left Europe mainly for one of two reasons: 1. Religous Persecution 2. Poverty
1. That really got so much better, muslims are being discriminated and if you so much as dare to wear a turban on an airplane you might as well want to get harassed.
2. 11% of the american population are Food insecure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_insecurity#Food_security_in_the_United_States) and you dont even have a public health system
I gotta admit well done america!
I hold absolutely no grudge against americans per sé just against the superioritycomplex that many of them have.
133 Arsnl
January 31st, 2010 at 11:40 am
Am i the only one that wonders where winston is??
134 pad9396
January 31st, 2010 at 11:42 am
i think bob sanders deserves an honorable mention definitely but good list.
135 Ender
January 31st, 2010 at 11:44 am
70 TCR – Good catch. Should have put down the Americas at 14%. It was 5 in the morning, though I hadn’t been drinking. That includes Central and South as well as North. I have had friends from Brazil, Mexico, Honduras, and Canada who grew up playing US-style football, not football (soccer), so it is not confined to the US, though I’ll give you mostly to the Americas. And, really, I’ve never seen a whole game in my life – it’s incredibly boring to me.
136 Gerbil
January 31st, 2010 at 11:51 am
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137 ME
January 31st, 2010 at 11:54 am
this list is absolute shit. you have to be a dumb motherfucker to think this list is correct. you’re so stupid, you fucking idiot. this list must have been written by an old white man who hasn’t watched football for 40 years. really really horrible placement and choices. im surprised at how truly terrible this list is.
138 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 11:56 am
@Julius (132): again ouch and please tell me that discrimination is not felt throughout the world…Don’t be high and mighty when you have the same sentiment. That’s fantastic that we have fast food…but don’t you. Give me a break man. You rip on us for a culture that you have adopted so very well. So let me guess you have no poverty in your country……why you must live in utopia..God Bless me man…….Can I call you Jesus. So you have some more mom and pop shops than we do (it called capitalism), is that every Americans mentality…….no…no…and no…. Please stop presuming that what you think is an American is one. We don’t have a public health system, but what is wrong with that…….don’t we support like 20 other countries health systems…gee I am sorry, maybe we shouldn’t help other people out……You wiki article doesn’t do shit for me….per se……lets per se we do have the most religious freedom in the world…per se…..its much better than anywhere else has…..o yeah I don’t hold a grudge against Europeans…..but I have the decency to capitalize it their name per se…….. What makes you so better than me…please tell me it isnt fast food or your universal health care….tell me you are better please I want to know……is it your government systems or health system or what……tell me please you badass…you are clearly better than the people that live in my country…..i want to know why…maybe i will move there
139 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 11:56 am
@ME (136): how about doing some constructive criticism instead of just spamming insults? who would you prefer to see on the list instead?
140 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 11:57 am
@Gerbil (135): again another comment that holds no merit….people dying is nothing to run home about dumbass…. I would like to meet you someday
141 49er4life
January 31st, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Football Vs Rugby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7tGY-VDx3o
Hope that settles it.
Also, those who are bashing this list because it concerns a sport they know nothing about: Put up a list about hard hits in soccer or rugby and I (as an American) would be much more interested in watching the clips for entertainment value rather than use them as a anonymous, cowardly and foolish attempt at Europe Bashing.
Also, those who just want an excuse to cuss out America: By generalizing all Americans as George Bush clones, you are relegating yourself to the same ignorant stereotype. A self-defeating argument.
Just have fun with the site…leave your internet toughness to youtube.
142 Gerbil
January 31st, 2010 at 12:09 pm
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143 49er4life
January 31st, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Oh and Maggot…keep a future spot in this list for P Willis #52. As a Niner fan, I know your excited about having him on the team.
144 49er4life
January 31st, 2010 at 12:10 pm
*you’re
145 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 12:13 pm
@Keystonelight51 (137): When have i said that I am better than you? I am sorry if i have even implied that.
The reason you are allegedly supporting the healthsystem of 20 countries is the reason for everything you do, business. If they buy medication from your companies you make money. Oh No a democratically elected president is threatening american business? lets invade his country! Hey there’s lots of Oil in Iraq! lets invade!
As a european I am thankful for the marshall plan, but you only did it because you needed a businesspartner.
America has failed. Youre not the land of the free and the brave anymore you are quickly developing into an oppressive oligarchy run by Supercompanies, which in itself are failing as weve seen with GM and lehman brothers.
146 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 12:14 pm
@Gerbil (141): This is why I am hating on the posters and website. To scared to respond to me for fear of retribution and anonymity of words.
147 Casey
January 31st, 2010 at 12:18 pm
I think Nazim The Pro is on to something, your next list should be the same question but with NHL.
148 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 12:25 pm
@Julius (144): I really can only do anything but laugh at your ass. I called it capitalism for a reason…..if you don’t think your country is in it for the money you are crazy….lets make a fact clear….I dont care where you are from in Europe you are in it for the money too….If you think you arnt you are dumb, the objective of a government is to “better and protect the people,” if you think you are not part of the profitability of a country is crazy. There is no true socialist society…Maybe is Americas fault, but no country is in for the good of the people. Again you are acting as a supreme being in the world. Please stop, everyone has there hidden demons……..No one in this world is “for the people,” and you know it so please stop pretending. You can site the big companies of failure, but that isnt why America has sustained, but rather the business you have never heard of…..again you are proclaiming to be high and mighty…..but stop your society is no better than mine
149 Spencer
January 31st, 2010 at 12:27 pm
This list is rubbish. Players are so much bigger today than in the 60′s. I know it’s heresy but Butkus, Nitschke, and Lambert do not belong on this list. Linebackers today are bigger, stronger and faster than these guys were. If you had the choice of being hit by Nitschke or Ray Lewis you would be foolish to choose Lewis. Relative to their time these guys were feared I’m sure but the list doesn’t hint that that’s a considered factor. It just says “Hardest Hitters in NFL History”. You shouldn’t have players from before “modern weightlifting” (wink wink) took hold.
150 Maggot
January 31st, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Thanks Jamie for publishing my list. I definitely saw the trolls coming, as you can tell by my attempt to mitigate it in my intro. Ah well, such is life.
Thanks to all who enjoyed the list and had good things to say. It is truly appreciated, and I also appreciate any and all constructive criticism as well. I do apologize for not including metric conversions for the players’ height & weights (shirokuma 25); I’d actually considered doing that early on, but then I forgot to add them before sending it in!
As for some of the other names being mentioned in the comments, good calls on all of them. Believe me, I’d considered most of them (Waters, Cecil, Singletary, Sanders, also guys not yet mentioned, like, Julius Peppers, & Jevon Kearse), but they didn’t make my cut. But sheesh, instead of having a bonus and six honorable mentions, I guess I could’ve just as easily taken the list to 20. I am on the fence with Cecil though, because as Rolo mentioned in post (62), his reputation was more that of a “dirty” player. Some have said that about Tatum too however, but I disagree. Most of Tatum’s negative publicity is a result of his never having “apologized” to Stingley for the hit that paralyzed him. But IMO that was a clean hit, it just had unfortunate consequences.
Lastly, I’d included clips for the honorable mentions too, but they were omitted at publication. Here is a bonus clip for you of Bruce Smith (hello NickMatrix 79), who currently holds the record for most career sacks, at 200.
151 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 12:41 pm
@Keystonelight51 (147): Thats exactly my point, Capitalism, and i dont exclude myself here, I am a part of it, doesn’t work, through capitalism everyone is supposed to get richer, but it doesn’t work like that. The rich get richer and the poor poorer. Socialism doesn’t work either unfortunately, so until we figure out a better system we ought to stick to democracy and capitalism, just not in its current f
152 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 12:43 pm
..orm
153 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 12:53 pm
@Julius (151): So I hate to exclude your point, but your point adds/make nothing to (what i saw as a good conversation). Good luck in the future and I hope we don’t cross paths. We prob would not like each other…..Anyway, to the point of the list Vinnie Jones needs be included somewhere in the article as he is the most badass soccer/Irish player ever. If the intent was to have American Football players then no, but Vinnie Jones is by far the best athlete ever…..Please I want to see more Vinnie Jones on the Listverse….He kicks my own ass…even if he is a Brit/Irish/Scot…………Best European ever!!!!!
154 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 12:57 pm
@Keystonelight51 (152): I know…I am tired^^… If we had talked about the middle east, religion, abortion, gun control, the origin of man and homosexuality we would have covered the whole http://listverse.com/2009/11/18/top-10-things-you-should-never-discuss-online/ list^^, well 3 out of 10 still aint bad.
155 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Vinnie Jones would kill Chuck Norris!
156 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 1:02 pm
@Julius (153): Hey we were rocking it, no hard feelings and I look forward to future debates….I think we did good…..Best of luck on further debates since I kicked you ass on the one we just had!!!!!
GO TEAM USA IN SOUTH AFRICA! we rock and you know it!!!!
lol
157 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 1:05 pm
@Keystonelight51 (155): the delay in this discussions is killing me i forget what i wanted to say! anyway well played…
Go Bafana Bafana!
158 rocknopera
January 31st, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Would have liked to have seen Sean Taylor… That may have been a stretch.
159 ZackaryDuFour
January 31st, 2010 at 1:13 pm
I love rugby and American football and have played both, so I feel I have entitlement to say both sports are very physical. Pads or not, American football is a much harder hitting sport than Rugby. With pads on you can tackle without concern for your own safety, which results in more crushing tackles. Rugby fans should definately play the sport before they make criticisms. I’ve been hit in American Football to where I couldn’t stand straight up for a few hours. Rugby is a tough sport, just not on the same level as American football.
BTW I played Tight End in American Football, and LH prop in Rugby. Both positions have their fair share of punishment.
160 SLiK-RO
January 31st, 2010 at 1:20 pm
European Rugby Team: Alright everyone!!! Now that were done having our tea and crumpits(w/e you fags do), lets go play some Rugby and then we can all go play with each other and have really gay sex.
American Football Team: Kill…
161 ZackaryDuFour
January 31st, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Julius said
“And both these sports you got from the british, whose colony America was, so dont talk about your “culture” cause you barely have any.”
Seriously, fuck you. Do you have any idea how insulting it is to accuse a nation of people of not having a culture? Despite the fact we have made nearly every advancement in movies and music in the past century. Hollywood, blues and rock’n'roll music, hip hop= all American. If that attack was directed at any other country it would be considered terribly offensive by others. Fuck off you limey prick.
162 porkido
January 31st, 2010 at 1:27 pm
WILLIE LANIER!!!
(p.s. rugby players ought to wear skirts, as it’s a fitting “sport” for high school girls)
163 Nietzsche
January 31st, 2010 at 1:30 pm
As soon as ONE American thing appears, people are ready to start bashing. If Americans are so bad and stupid and beneath you, why are your thoughts always revolving around them? Maybe not jealousy, but it is definitely not because you are satisfied with your lives and countries. You dislike like Americans not because lots are fat and dumb but because they have the opportunity to be fat and dumb (which is a bad move but their choice nonetheless). Lots of stuff in the world deals with America because the FACT is that America has a lot of influence around the world. You nor I could do anything to change that.
Stop bashing, all you do is make yourself look fucking whiny. Here’s a truth around the world: only little bitches complain. So stfu you bitter little men.
164 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 1:32 pm
lol……. Julius knows what he is talking about. stop talking like you know something about this world..please as much as I didnt comply…this is a sports list…lets talk about sports….go USA 2010
165 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 1:33 pm
@ZackaryDuFour (160): The point I was trying to make is that america has very little unique culture, because it is such a melting pot. Plus culture is not just museums etc. It is a way of life that starts with manners, your eating habits, and your general knowledge and in that aspect the average american has very little culture.
Read all the comments before you comment…
166 SLiK-RO
January 31st, 2010 at 1:34 pm
America……FTW.
167 SLiK-RO
January 31st, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Honestly JFrater…You should make a United States VS. Europe list…
168 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 1:39 pm
@SLiK-RO (166): Oh my word that would cause a bloody war on this site….
169 porkido
January 31st, 2010 at 1:40 pm
“It is a way of life that starts with manners, your eating habits, and your general knowledge and in that aspect the average american has very little culture.”
You’re confusing “culture” with “snobishness”.
But Keystone is right: if one hasn’t anything to say about American football specifically, or sports in general, perhaps one should direct one’s comments to the “10 Ways Non-Americans Get Their Panties In A Twist” list.
170 ZackaryDuFour
January 31st, 2010 at 1:46 pm
@Julius
I’m sorry but you must’ve never spent an extended amount of time in the United States. All of the qualities you have named exist in the USA. All of this stems from Old World European bias against the United States. Because of the United States rapid advancement on the global stage, Europe has always felt threatened by it’s presence. In a little over 200 years Americans have gained more influence than Europe has in the past millenia. I admire European culture (I come from a French and Irish backgound after all) but I find the uneducated snobbishness of most Europeans repulsive.
171 mko
January 31st, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Gotta include Hines Ward and Earl Campbell. People would run from Earl and Hines gives the business knowing full well he will be vulnerable to huge hits.
172 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 1:49 pm
@porkido (168): snobishness? since when is being wellmannered and knowing how to use a knife and fork snobbish?
Ive played Rugby and Am. Football and Am. Football is definetely more physical, but rugby is more technical, but to each their own.
btw your comment has nothing do with American football specifically, or sports in general, perhaps you shouldn’t comment?
173 Tonio
January 31st, 2010 at 1:50 pm
The pic shows Ray Lewis but hes not on the list? He would make a good bonus
174 porkido
January 31st, 2010 at 1:50 pm
@Winston(126):
Your “too american” comments were tired about 40 lists ago.
175 Jack D.
January 31st, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Ray Lewis and Reggie White should atleast have been honorable mentions.
176 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 1:53 pm
@Julius (171): good luck, hope your posting are as fruitful as ours!!!!! Again, this is an American sports list…….any postings are garbage!!!
I want a best athletes list and then the debate can continue!
177 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 1:56 pm
@ZackaryDuFour (169): I am sure the qualities ive mentioned exist somewhere in the american population, but rarely in the average american citizen. fyi Ive travelled the US for three months
178 porkido
January 31st, 2010 at 1:56 pm
@Julius(171):
My point exactly. The way one uses his knife and fork is a function of culture, not culture itself.
You don’t like the word “snob”? Then we’ll use the word “etiquette”…which is behavior specific to a particular culture.
“btw your comment has nothing do with American football specifically, or sports in general, perhaps you shouldn’t comment?”
A little defensive when we’re corrected, aren’t we…
179 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 2:02 pm
fuk up ye queer
180 ITALO-CANADESE
January 31st, 2010 at 2:02 pm
WOOO LT! He was a beast!
I agree with Jack D., Ray Lewis should definitely be an honourable mention.
What’s with all the American bashing on this site, I guess its en vogue or something. I can appreciate American culture and society without it threatening my sense of identity as a Canadian, I guess other people can’t.
That being said, Soccer (Football) is the best sport in the world, nothing beats the excitement of the World Cup!
Forza Italia!
181 mko
January 31st, 2010 at 2:05 pm
@Julius
I would have to say the opposite. Playing both, I would definitely put rugby as more physically taxing and football as the more technical. Rugby wears my ass out with the constant pace, where at least in football it’s no more than thirty second bursts.
I still don’t understand the hate from all over. People’s passion comes from the history we have invested in the sports. Football, Baseball, and Basketball are all American invents with history running back fairly far considering the countries limited history. America has tried to embrace Soccer, but just as football failed to materialize in Europe with NFL Europe, people don’t really want to see a second rate sport when they got the best in the world in the backyard. American soccer is shit, but I love watching the Euro and World Cup, actually getting to see the top talent. As for cricket, I have tried playing and just couldn’t get into; still slightly less boring than baseball.
I do love football and wish people around the world could get a better appreciation for it. Of any sport, I think the most strategy goes into the game. The NFL is fine, but college is where the real game is. Great crowds, great games, fans more tied to the team and universities, and talent and ability can be overcome with gameplanning and heart. Give it a try people.
182 Keystonelight51
January 31st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
@Julius (178): WOW not expected, I thought you had more comments to say then something like that. During our past discussions on the same topic, I have expected a better response than that. If we have come to that then, again……I win. You made made some good points about American culture and its sorry, but with that last one i second guess your commitment to knowledge…………Can we say Americans are far better than European athletes………and then call it a day.
Thanks
183 Nietzsche
January 31st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
“Knowing how to use a knife and fork” is not snobbishness in itself, but calling it well mannered is VERY ethnocentric, and ethnocentrism is ALWAYS snobbish. Eating with your hands is no worse than using utensils depending on where you are from. Culture is relative. Anyway, now that your ignorance has been cleared up, maybe you can get rid of that ethnocentrism when considering the USA, because the fact that it is different than you seems to be why you don’t like it.
From before antiquity, people have been learning from other people, taking their culture and modifying it to render their own. It is by no means a unique process, and it actually forms the core of human beings as social animals. Following this pattern, the USA, which is a melting pot as you say, is the top of the evolutionary ladder in this day and age. We use what we have gathered from others and synthesized it into what the world sees as American culture. Don’t like it if you don’t want, but NO OTHER country has what the USA has. You can’t tell me all we did was put pieces together a voila! Then why are people like you so bitter? It’s because the US has improved your ideas. Or did you forget how right after whooping England’s butts we began to take off and soon enough we were the world’s supplier of steel and many other cultural necessities of today. Why is the world so americanized? Oh, so it’s OK for you to take from us, but because we took a BIT from you 250 years ago, you can’t let it go? Get over it.
The bottom line is America has long ago made its place in the world. It’s DIFFERENT. Doesn’t mean its bad. Try to look at things a little less subjectively and you won’t sound like such an ignorant douchecake.
184 Julius
January 31st, 2010 at 2:14 pm
that last comment wasnt me as you can see by the missing avatar
185 porkido
January 31st, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Ah…I see Julius is a turd AND a homophobe…
186 porkido
January 31st, 2010 at 2:20 pm
sorry, Julius…reacted before reading…
187 Nietzsche
January 31st, 2010 at 2:23 pm
OK yeah that was kind of low whoever did that imitation.
188 porkido
January 31st, 2010 at 2:23 pm
in any case, both American football and rugby are girly sports, compared to Australian Rules…which, as far as I can tell, isn’t really a sport as much as a felony…
189 FlameHorse
January 31st, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Lots of fun, Maggot!
190 Yun
January 31st, 2010 at 2:40 pm
I dare anyone who says that American Football players are “pussies” to play a single game, or even take a hit.
191 Gerbil
January 31st, 2010 at 2:41 pm
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192 deeeziner
January 31st, 2010 at 2:50 pm
@Gerbil (190):
You can’t hate me til you’ve tried my cooking.
Dinner’s at 7:00. Dress casual.
Then we’ll talk.
193 Winston
January 31st, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Porkido@173 is too American
194 Voltaire
January 31st, 2010 at 3:08 pm
“His most infamous hit is one that occurred during a 1978 preseason game against the New England Patriots and left Pats wide-receiver Darryl Stingley a permanent quadriplegic.”
And you call this a ‘sport’? This is just disgusting.
195 Tennessee Rob
January 31st, 2010 at 3:11 pm
I agre with most of the guys on this list. You should have added the story about Ronnie Lott cutting off part of his finger to play. Ray Lewis should probably be on the list. The hit in the playoffs he put on Eddie George that knocked Eddie out and forced a fumble was probably the hardest lick I ever saw anyone get…and Eddie was a big dude himself. He was never the same afte that one hit by Ray.
By the way, all of this back and forth about European versus American sports is silly. European football is tough and fun to watch, and I have always liked rugby. Those making fun of the American players because of the pads have obviously never played. The players are larger and much faster than in most rugby matches and the force they generate is amazing. There is a reason why Congress is addressing brain injuries suffered by these guys.
196 Tennessee Rob
January 31st, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Whoops, forgot to addd that I agree that Singletary must be on this list. He turned Eric Dickerson, one of the greatest running backs in NFL history, into a coward with one hit in the ’85 playoffs. What an intense and fearless tackler that guy was.
197 srmc11
January 31st, 2010 at 3:19 pm
May have been a stretch, but Sean Taylor would have been a good honorable mention. Nobody would hit people with such reckless disregard for themselves; who else remembers that pro bowl hit on the punter?
198 Voltaire
January 31st, 2010 at 3:20 pm
I don’t know much about this ‘sport’, but is it still allowed to hit other players with your arms, helmet or when they are up in the air? How many bad injuries do you have every season? Is it supposed to be manly to hit someone who is up in the air when he got no control whatsoever? Seems pretty pussy to me…
199 thegman123
January 31st, 2010 at 3:25 pm
OMG where is RAY LEWIS
200 Tennessee Rob
January 31st, 2010 at 3:32 pm
What do you mean by ‘bad injuries’? Do you mean paralysis? That is rare, but happens, particularly in high school ball.
And the object of the hit is to separate the man from the ball, so they hit in the air, with their arms, with their helmets, etc. I’m not sure how that is ‘pussy.’
201 therush
January 31st, 2010 at 3:43 pm
As someone who has played both American Football and rugby competitively I will tell you it is much worse getting hit by someone wearing pads because they turn their bodies into missiles. Worst football injury was when I broke four ribs. Never once was injured playing rugby.
Back in the 1920s players were dying in both rugby and football. Rugby fixed this by changing the rules about how you could tackle, football added pads. Besides people still die from football hits even with all the pads when was the last time someone died from a hit in rugby?
I also feel that football takes more skill. My rugby club team took second place in the United States one year (might have helped that we had the most polynesians by far) whereas my high school football team barely made state.
202 kennypo65
January 31st, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Great list,well researched and informative. The comments, however, show the worst part of what is wrong with the internet. Cowards who hide behind anonymity and say the rudest and foulest things in some vain attempt to feel superior. I’m sorry that daddy never said he loved you and mommy never gave you enough attention. I’m American and I will be the first to admit my nation is not perfect, but no nation is. I have also been fortunate enough to have traveled to many other countries in the world. From my experience, there is no country that has a monopoly on idiots as citizens. They are literally everywhere. There are also warm, bright, and fun people everywhere. That being said: I will defend my nation against any and all of the douchebags that slam it for no other reason than to make themselves feel superior. My name is Kenneth Polit and I live in Finleyville, Pennsylvania USA. I will not hid behind the anonymity of the internet. If You want to chat look me up at Bob’s tavern here in town. I’ll be the one enjoying a bourbon and shooting some pool. We could have a civilized conversation, or I could break a cue stick over your face, your choice.
203 jake
January 31st, 2010 at 4:12 pm
sean taylor, was a real hard hitter
204 pavosensei
January 31st, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Interesting timing…
Just read this:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1957046,00.html?hpt=C2
205 chris1372002
January 31st, 2010 at 4:29 pm
The most glaring ommission is Tommy Nobis. I’m suprised no one else has mentioned him. Larry Czonka said “I’s rather play against Dick Butkus than Nobis.” Pretty high praise.
206 Chunkfied
January 31st, 2010 at 5:27 pm
I am American. Probably as a result I grew up enjoying American football. That being said I also love to hear and learn about Bikila, Hillary, Pele’, Tendulkar, O’Driscoll, Nurmi, Coe, Federer, Weah and many more. I’m looking forward to this summer and watching the World Cup, despite this USA’s nil chances. Ethnocentrism is for pigs whether your in Greymouth, Nagoya, Swindon, Port Elizabeth, Rawson, or Minneapolis.
207 trfan
January 31st, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Yay for a Chicago Bear being #1 (I’m from Chicagoland). Too bad he’s the only person I know on this list. The offense always gets most of the press.
If only the Bears would have a good player like that nowadays, they wouldn’t be sitting on their couches (if they’re not at the Pro Bowl today) watching the rest of the teams finish this season.
208 Furious
January 31st, 2010 at 5:49 pm
200+ comments and no mention of Kenny Easley. Sad, sad, sad.
209 agginym
January 31st, 2010 at 5:51 pm
@Muscarius (51):
how is it hard to understand. you try to move the football into the opposing team’s end zone. if you dont move the ball 10 yards in 4 downs you turn the ball over. its pretty simple.
210 Jubbs
January 31st, 2010 at 5:57 pm
God… I hate sports lists…
@207
Bears suck.
211 Chris
January 31st, 2010 at 6:42 pm
I’m Aussie and I love all the contact football codes. And the reason there are so many American lists here is because the site is American, Duh. I bet Americans constitute most of the readership here. So why not cater to them? It’s not like every single list is American.
Go Packers!
212 Nelia
January 31st, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Great list, been watching the clips during commercial breaks of the Pro Bowl
Love a good tackle. Glad to see Ray Lewis in the bonus list, he is a brick wall of a man.
213 Tennessee Rob
January 31st, 2010 at 6:58 pm
I agree on Kenny Easly. He was a stud in college, too.
And the Bears could have had a ton of guys on here besides Butkus (Singletary, Wilbur Marshall, Otis Wilson, Urlacher, etc.).
214 opschief
January 31st, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Bill “Kamikaze” Bates of Dallas. Bad to the freakin’ bone, he was!
215 iknownothing
January 31st, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Can we please stop calling football “soccer” just to keep the good old u.s.a. happy, everybody knows they want to rule the world. Just because one country out of the many other nations that play the game insist on using the term soccer,doesn’t mean we should all bow down to them. Hows this for a radical idea change the name of american football and leave the real football (that’s where you kick a “ball” with you “foot” around a field)to the rest of us.
Dont follow american football too many stats, stops and starts more times than rugby union. Nice list though well presented even if I dont know what your talking about.
p.s. I do enjoy baseball but dont change it’s name to rounders lol
216 JohnM
January 31st, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Tatum should have been #1!
217 ZackaryDuFour
January 31st, 2010 at 7:50 pm
#215, you’re name is oddly fitting.
218 Tennessee Rob
January 31st, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Bill Bates is a Tennessee boy, so natuarally I like him…but getting squished by Hershel Walker when Walker was 18 years old takes him off the big hitter list. Walked knocked him down, stomped on his chest, and then scored a TD. You can’t make the list if that is in your highlight package. But Reggie White of the Vols should have made the list, just for his one arm throw move when he was coming around the end. Throwing a 300 lb man like a feather gets you some credit. Go Vols!
219 imokusuk
January 31st, 2010 at 7:55 pm
butkus and tatum were cheap shot artists at best and without, bednarik http://www.trunkbunker.com/chuckbednarik.jpg , the rest of the list has little credibility.
220 Struth
January 31st, 2010 at 7:56 pm
An interesting list, thanks for providing some info and history of a sport that I watch occasianally but remain woefully ignorant about it’s history and players. Now I am somewhat less ignorant, so thank you Maggot. Now for a comments induced rant.
The term “football” is a shortened version of whatever particular code is followed in whatever particular country, state, county, province, city, town, village. Here are some examples, in Chicago, if you are talking about football, you are talking about American Football. In Auckland, if you are talking about football, you are talking about Rugby Union. In Melbourne if you are talking about football, you are talking about Australian Rules Football. In Sydney if you are talking about football, you are talking about Rugby League. In Manchester if you are talking about football, you are talking about ASSOCIATION Football. It is not a term that is exclusive to one code, regardless of how popular it may or may not be. The word Soccer is a term first coined in England in the late 19th century by a player who played both Rugby Football and Association Football. A team mate asked him if he was going to play “Rugger” this weekend, to which he replied, no I’ll be playing “Soccer”, an abbrieviated form of Association, so calling it Soccer is correct.
Rant over.
221 imokusuk
January 31st, 2010 at 8:02 pm
btw, the picture is of bednarik standing over frank gifford, after bednarik hit him. golden boy gifford was never the same player again and soon thereafter took up talking about fottball instead of playing it.
mike curtis was a very good choice but should have been higher on the list.
222 porkido
January 31st, 2010 at 9:30 pm
@kennypo(202):
Dude, it’s comments like this that attract the anti-American twits like shit attracts flies…have another bourbon, let’s talk some football, and eff them…
223 porkido
January 31st, 2010 at 9:33 pm
And what about Jim Brown? Just because he was carrying the ball doesn’t mean he wasn’t laying some hurt on the guys he steam-rollered…
224 tmight
January 31st, 2010 at 9:37 pm
I noticed that all your choices were defensive players. Take a look at Jim Brown, he may change your list…
225 tmight
January 31st, 2010 at 9:41 pm
ps.#213
wilbur marshall is a member of the country club i work at, he’s the biggest prick there. don’t know how well he hit in the past, but right now, he is a waste of life.
226 Stefan
January 31st, 2010 at 9:55 pm
heres a suggestion for a list;
TOP TEN AMERICAN LISTVERSE LISTS
and then you could copy and paste it with another title;
TOP TEN SHITTEST LISTS
because every american list has been borrrrrrrrriiiiiiingggg “zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz”
227 Bud
January 31st, 2010 at 9:58 pm
LT wrote in his book he played charged up on cocaine. How can your compare his performance to ones who played it honestly. How can you award someone like that. How hard would Lambart or ‘the Deacon’ had hit if they enhanced their “courage” with drugs. His name should be taken off this list as well as HOF
228 Vera Lynn
January 31st, 2010 at 10:03 pm
I absolutely love Fooball, and I cannot wait until Super Bowl Sunday!! Just wish MPW could be here with me to watch the game. That would make it perfect.
229 Shagrat
January 31st, 2010 at 10:08 pm
I’ll respect these girl guides when they STOP wearing allthat protective padding and body armour and shit. Put ‘em in a Rugby or an AFL football game anmd they’d snap faster than a pretzel in George Bush’s mouth!
PUSSIES!!!!
230 porkido
January 31st, 2010 at 10:16 pm
here’s a suggestion for a list:
TOP TEN D-BAGS WHO JUST CAN’T LET THIS ‘AMERICAN’ THING GO:
1. Stefan
2. et al.
231 porkido
January 31st, 2010 at 10:19 pm
With all this talk of Tatum, I am reminded of George Atkinson, who was, indeed, a cheap-shot artist…but was also a pretty brutal hitter…
232 nathanael00
January 31st, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Cool. America is awesome
233 l2thet
January 31st, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Respect, but it makes me wonder whether they’d go just as hard if they weren’t wearing so much protective gear.
You should check out the AFL’s hardest hits. (And by AFL, I am referring to Australian Rules Football)
234 simuun
January 31st, 2010 at 11:37 pm
there are hundreds of list sites on the net. I like this site because everyday I can get a quick read. I’m a canadian living in thailand….so i’m as far from the US as possible…
On a side note…why doesn’t anyone complain when a list about science is too sciency, or a list about animals too animaly, or a list about religion too religiony?
You would think that a list about American Football would only be about Americans, no?…and sadly the author even pointed that out in intro, but alas, trolls never get full.
235 simuun
January 31st, 2010 at 11:46 pm
oh and since everyone loves to quote the never wrong wikipedia –
“Although it is widely believed that the word football, or “foot ball”, originated in reference to the action of a foot kicking a ball, this may be a false etymology. The historical explanation has it that the word originally referred to a variety of games in medieval Europe, which were played on foot.”
So really…why does everyone complain about American football being different from European football? Both games are played on foot…
(gotta love wikipedia)
236 CQSteve
January 31st, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Sorry JFrater, but I gotta agree with the posters who go on about the padding & helmets etc. Sure, the hits are big and impressive, but they’re hitting blokes from behind and blindsiding them! Mike Curtis (number 10 pick) liked to try and rip off heads – tough? yeah, but sporting? I don’t think so. I reckon I’d feel invincible if I had all that gear on – however I’m sure the yanks look at our Rugby League and A.F.L. & shake their heads too. But I did enjoy the list.
237 hunter
February 1st, 2010 at 12:06 am
I don’t know if he deserves to be in this list but Adam Archuleta is one of my favorites. I saw a couple of sick tackles that knocked his opponents out cold for a few seconds.
And how ’bout Ray Lewis?
238 pdxstargazer82
February 1st, 2010 at 12:18 am
JFrater, how about you start adding “American” into the title of lists that are more American? That way people that don’t want to hear about America can choose to read it or not. Then, if they are warned and still choose to read it, we can say “you were warned!”
As for everyone else: The author said in the introduction that it was an American themed list. If American lists bother you, why did you continue to read? Maybe to solve the issue, you could write a list featuring your home country? I actually would love to read more lists about other countries.
239 Julius
February 1st, 2010 at 12:47 am
@pdxstargazer82 (238): How about reading the title before you read the list? “Top 10 Hardest Hitters in NFL History”, its pretty obvious that it is an “american” list.
btw Nice list Maggot
240 Julius
February 1st, 2010 at 12:49 am
@pdxstargazer82 (238): sry didn’t read the whole comment at first, sry about the rant
241 NFL Draft
February 1st, 2010 at 1:39 am
Julius knows what he is talking about. stop talking like you know something about this world..please as much as I didn’t comply…this is a sports list…Pls pat attention to sports in 2010.
242 pdxstargazer82
February 1st, 2010 at 2:05 am
@Julius (240): no worries.
243 Anthony
February 1st, 2010 at 3:21 am
@ mathilda2 (117)
I enjoyed your comment, I’m a Steelers fan but I enjoy them as a team. I was suprised by the fact that they didn’t make the playoffs, but then again they should go pretty far next year in every can stay healthy *wink*troy*wink*
@ Julius/Keystone
Your “debate” made me want to remove my eyes with a rusty spoon and jab pencils in my ears. It was riddled with wiki quotes (The worst source one could use) and general misconceptions. If I came into the debate a neutral party and heard both sides I would leave a neutral party. Both of you did a horrible job, jumping topics when you ran out of googled facts on the previous. You feel the blood rushing to you face the tight feeling in your stomach and beads of sweat forming on your forehead, yeah thats what happens when you get called out.
@ Struth (220)
I was just about to mention that, for the guy who mentioned that we shouldn’t use the word Soccer in order “cater” or “appease” Americans please re-read the quote from Struth and try and again, but try your best to leave out the stupidity. Refer to the above to to see how you should feel.
/end rant
244 Andy V
February 1st, 2010 at 3:34 am
We all have to agree that American sportsperson are the best in the world…No questions about it at all….
Some of the great american players and their speciality are noted below.
1. Roger Clemens – Steriods, Adultery
2. 1919 Black Sox team – Gambling
3. Tiger Woods – Adultery
4. Barry Bonds – Steroids
5. Tonya Harding – Injuring other competitors
6. Tim Donaghy – Betting
7. Mike Tyson – Cannabalism
8. Mark McGwire – Steriods, Lying under Oath
9. Jason Giambi – Steroids
10. Marion Jones – Doping
Thank gawd my child will not grow up idolizing such great American players…..
245 Shagrat
February 1st, 2010 at 4:27 am
AndyV – you might as well unclude every American official and mozt competitors at the ’84 Los Angeles Olympics – now agreed to be the most blatant example of national bias (cheating) in the history of the Olympic Games: 2 examples 4×100 freestyle final – the US team ‘false started’ and thne first swimmers from all other 7 teams pulled up in the water expecting the second gun for a false start and the rac ewas allowed to continue – despite that, Australia was STILL only beaten by mere thousandths of a second for the gold. Second example: Jeff fenech absolutely belted the bejeebers out of his opponent in his flyweight semi final and was awarded the win on points by the referee and every ringside judge: they handed their results to the ‘juror’ (Americans) who over-ruled all the others and awarded the fight against him – thus his opponent then went on to get towelled by the American fighter in the final. Fenech later took on his erstwhile Olympic opponent and agin destroyed him and then fought the gold medal-winning American as a professional and pretty much handed him back to his trainers in a body-bag – - – - twice!
246 tripsyman
February 1st, 2010 at 5:45 am
This list is to European
247 nicoleredz3
February 1st, 2010 at 6:14 am
@ Andy V: Lol!
248 schizo
February 1st, 2010 at 6:31 am
i really understand yankee’s fondness on the game. it clearly show the bi-faced nature of their inner conscience of people as a mass. who loves and adores “violence”, giggle and laughs at the most brutal physical clash, celebrates every broken, twisted spine, battered cranial, but in the same time so “ego-centric”, would want to hurt others so badly yet put so much padding to protect their own vulnerable and small … “balls”… if any… =D
is there any intelligence and tactics to this game, at all? instead of only primitive ‘brute force” killing instinct…?
a violent nation it is… so sad… so true….
249 Damo
February 1st, 2010 at 6:43 am
Thanks the list, I’m a big fan of girdiron (I’m Australian so I can’t call it football). I hadn’t heard of a few of these guys, but the stories are fascinating. The clips are great too.
Not too sure how’d they’d compare to a ‘Hardest hitters in rugby’, or ‘Hardest hitters in Australian Rules football’ but that’s subjective, I suppose. Congrats Maggot, this list was top-notch.
250 pzero69
February 1st, 2010 at 6:58 am
Hey Europe, until you start having 6’5″, 285 lb., black men from the meanest ghettos on earth in your rugby leagues, you have no argument. If rugby was played with these behemoths, the sport would be banned after the first week of games over here.
251 Lee06
February 1st, 2010 at 8:01 am
Average size of big nfl players: 6’4 – 6’7. 260-325
Average size of big rugby players: 6’0 – 6’3. 200-235.
Average speed of small nfl players: 4.4 40 time.
Average speed of small rugby players: 4.6-7 40 time.
252 Lee06
February 1st, 2010 at 8:03 am
@pzero69
6’6″ 325lb is more common now.
253 63jax
February 1st, 2010 at 9:19 am
boring, don’t care about NFL…
254 gav
February 1st, 2010 at 9:48 am
Deacon Jones? I thought “Brady Bunch” was syndicated throughout the world like “Star Trek” is. Surely you remember the episode where Peter had to quit glee club and Deacon had to talk him out of it.
I love the list BTW.
255 Cody
February 1st, 2010 at 10:47 am
@comment 50, your right for real whats the point of looking at the list when you hate on it, and to that group fuck off. But i do wish that Brian Dawkins was on here if they had linch….but all in all great list!
256 HappyAsCanBe
February 1st, 2010 at 11:02 am
England is a God-awful place to live.
257 Slap
February 1st, 2010 at 11:40 am
Many hard hitting and fearless safeties had to be excluded to accomodate a 10 man list. Dennis Smith, Ken Houston and Brian Dawkins are three guys that spring to mind immediately. Troy Polamalu as well.
258 CrazyHorse
February 1st, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Nice, I love football. I’d say Ray Lewis should be up there as well. Jack Tatum is my all time favorite tackler. That guy was a human brick wall. It just sucks though he was an asshole about paralyzing Stingley. He felt that he didn’t need to apologize for what he did because he was only doing his job and then tried to invite the guy to talk with him years later, not to apologize, but to help him sell more of his auotbiography.
Good to see all the inmature people who must express their hate because it’s American too, real classy. Keep making lists like this by the way, it exposes all the America haters like a blacklight exposes cum stains.
259 vanish71
February 1st, 2010 at 12:52 pm
As an American who loves Football and Football. I played in football and soccer in high school. Sadly, I was not good enough at either to play in college. You have no idea how it feels to get hit by a man who is 6’6 300 lbs(sorry I don’t know what the convertion would be). It doesn’t matter if you if you wear pads or don’t, it will crush you. I would rather be hit by a 5’10 160 guy with no pads on than a 6’6 300lb monster with pads on.
260 vanish71
February 1st, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Also, anytime there is a “European” themed list I read it matter what because I like listverse and I love learning about places and people. I hold no ill feels for any other place. It is stupid to fight over if a list is to American or not. I don’t don’t complain if a list has the 10 biggest castle of England or the best rugby players of Japan. I don’t care if a list says the best world leaders of all time and there is no american on the list. Every list is from the opinion of one person and should not be taken as stone cold fact.
261 word
February 1st, 2010 at 1:21 pm
No love for Michael Strahan? He does hold the single season sack record.
262 fordman
February 1st, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Superlative LIST!!!! Maggot, You did your homework on this one, and the extra credit. XD
One of my very favorite lists ever!
Thank you JFrater, for allowing this epically amazing list to be posted on Listverse!
For those who say this list is “too American”, I have a couple of things to say:
#1: this list is about AMERICAN football. Duh!
#2: Why don’t you write a list about whatever sport is popular in YOUR country and stop whining!
You people are no different than people (eligible voters)who complain about a country’s leader and did’nt even vote.
263 fordman
February 1st, 2010 at 1:29 pm
BTW, someone’s GOTTA mention DeMarcus Ware! (Yes, I am a Dallas Cowboys fan for those of you that will be wondering after reading my comment.)
What about Michael Strahan also?
264 tdtedy
February 1st, 2010 at 2:16 pm
First time poster, but I’ve been following this site daily for about two years now. Excellent list, Maggot! I especially enjoyed your disclaimer. I can’t argue with any of your choices. As a NE Pats fan since ’76, I got a tad riled up when I saw Tatum on the list. But Stingley himself said that he held no grudge so I shouldn’t either. The only vid of that hit I could find online was here: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=RXUVRJ6Z
It was a clean hit that had a very unfortunate outcome.
265 HOMER SIMPSON
February 1st, 2010 at 2:31 pm
how about Rodney Harrison? dude scared the shit out of offenses.
266 snakester
February 1st, 2010 at 2:47 pm
to #245, Schizo,
Your argument is as deluded and warped as you name suggests. You are obviously experiencing the fundamental attribution error, wherein you attribute your initial impressions of a small experience as indictitive of the whole. The fact that you believe American Football to be a sport of mere aggression and brutality belies your ignorance, as in the next step of your argument you display clearly that you do not understand the sport as a whole. American football is a game as based upon intelligence and strategy as chess; the best players are not only physically gifted but also metally fit, with QB of the Indianapolis Colts, Peyton Manning being the prime example. His knowledge of how to attack and mislead different defensive fronts and sets is unprecedented in the game, with greats such as Dan Marino himself saying that Manning is changing the most important position in sports through his ability to fool defenses. Obviously this game goes far beyond mere brutality. An uneducated observer would not be expected to understand these intricacies, so I do not fault you for your error.
Secondly, if you believe that American Football players are pussies because they where pads, then I encourage you to begin a career as a crash-test dummy, or are you scared of being hurt? Pussies indeed, this is a sport where it’s players can die during training camp before the official season begins (Kory Stringer), or be left paralyzed for life because of a single hit during a game (the Jets Bird being a prime example). The athletes that play this sport wear pads because they are protecting their livelihood, and have trained their entire lives, mentally and physically through primary school and university to be the best athletes on the planet. It would be foolish to not don pads and protect themselves in one of the most violent games in all of sport. Perhaps Americans have more respect for their pro athletes?
to #242, Sarcastic Andy V;
Your argument is also skewed; I’d be remiss not to add that no one in the US looks up to Mike Tyson (a bit of a stretch to call him a cannibal as he spit the bitten ear of Hollyfield out rather than consume it) or Tanya Harding. All the others have tarnished their names in the eyes of the public and are looked down upon in the general populace, not looked up to with admiration. A more representative sample of American sportsman would add some credibility to the point you posit.
Lastly, I would like to add one player on the offensive side of the ball who was also quite the hard-hitter (as their was a slight bias to this list concentrating on the defensive side of the ball): Larry Csonka! Csonk was a FB for the early ’70′s Miami Dolphins and is the only offensive player in league history to get a personal foul for punching a would-be tackler while running up field with the ball. #34 was a load to handle as it routinely took multiple tacklers to take him down, but the personal foul for punching puts the icing on the cake and makes him one of the hardest hitters in league history in my book! A FB being the one to lay the hit? Now thats tough!
267 Ditka
February 1st, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Wilbur Marshall LB, Chicago Bears…look up the knockout hit he put on Joe Ferguson of the Lions during the ’85 season. Unconscious before he even hit the ground. One of the hardest hits in NFL history… Ferocious. Even Da Coach claims this hit to be the hardest he had ever seen. Enjoy
268 FATSEXY
February 1st, 2010 at 3:55 pm
A top 10 list with NINETEEN f’ing entries. Garbage.
269 Dennis
February 1st, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Sam Huff….Bronco Nagurski
270 Lindsey67
February 1st, 2010 at 4:34 pm
What about Chuck Cecil from the Packers 1988-92?? He was on the cover of Time for his bloody nose??????????
271 Foolio
February 1st, 2010 at 4:51 pm
wow good list.and yes people its called football which is a sport. seems like some people don’t leave there computers.
272 Csimmons
February 1st, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Speaking as someone who plays and loves Football, great list. To the people who say “too American” or “Rugby is better” or “Football is for pussies”, actually go out, join a competitive league, and knock the living shit out of someone. You can do the same in Rugby, but from what I’ve seen, Rugby players aren’t exactly you’re 6’6″, 325 lb. football players. And saying we’re being pansies by wearing pads and a helmet and such shows how little you know about the injuries sustained in the sport. I myself have had to have surgery on a torn ligament in my shoulder that made my shoulder dislocate 4-5 times (Stopped counting in case you are wondering why there is no exact number), I have also had several smaller injuries such as pulled muscles, etc. But if we didn’t have these pads on, I can’t even imagine the kinds of injuries that can occur. People would probably die.
Dick Butkus FTW. just wanted to add that.
273 schizo
February 1st, 2010 at 7:25 pm
@snakester
1st reply and you went “ad hominem” already… LoL
Ok, i’m an uneducated observer, that’s why I don’t understand it nor the sportivity part in this inhuman and cruel jostling. You said intelligence while the the whole part of this list and also the comments celebrates physical grandeur and the most remembered bone-crushing events. And still you said i’m warped =D
Sports, there are many hard, physical demanding, intense, full contact sports (including martial arts) in this world. But they all are built on the foundation of sportivity, how to defeat opponent(s) while at the same time not doing cheats, respecting them, admiring their noble warrior souls, and leave their opponents in crushing but respectable defeats, yet still in ONE piece. Even if there were no strict rules, these are the “warrior codes” of most athletes, epitomed in the Olympic spirits. Things i don’t see in this very gladitorial sport, whose the main spirit are mere (literally) crushing your opponents at all expense. So 2000 years primitive, so expired, so … ancient… who cheerfully joy while screaming: blood… bloodddd… blooddd….!
All the time, people are wondering why US of A as nation are always self-centeredly violent and agressive. I don’t… cuz I see as individuals, they are as bloodthirsty as their government…. =D
*and i’m not even an european*
274 Z
February 1st, 2010 at 8:35 pm
where the hell is Romanowski?!?
275 Ruth
February 1st, 2010 at 9:37 pm
European sports suk….
how can Europeans say American football is for pussies when our players are about 10x bigger than small faggot 130lb. rugby players…go somewhere with yourself…
Look up Jonah Lomu……
I am an avid fan of NFL, but this statement is just rubbish.
276 Ruth
February 1st, 2010 at 9:46 pm
“The point also is……. imagine if our (America’s) best athletes played yours sports like Lebron James at center field or Koby Bryant playing a hooker in rugby, would we excel. The fact is (I hate to say it but) but America has better athletes than any other country. Ryan Giggs or Wayne Rooney does not even compare to American athletes. Our culture does not care for European sports as they tend to be boring and low scoring. I appreciate your sports, but you have to understand you sports are just as boring and cry baby as ours……Its the same thing……you cant tell me every other tackle in “soccer” is an acting job…..Just as every foul in basketball is garbage….Please dont tell me someones sports is superior…..IT THE SAME SHIT with different actions………don’t let me start on cricket…..probably as bad as baseball, if not worse.”
I find it funny that you take offense to people referring to their sports as better, but then you are free to say that Americans have better athletes. American Elitism at it’s best.
We all saw Jordon attempting another sports, whilst he was better than average it’s a stupid attempt to assume that because one sportsmen is at the top of his game in one field he would be similar in another. Chances that Kobe / Lebron would succeed in those sports, minimal at best.
277 King Julien
February 1st, 2010 at 9:49 pm
If rugby is less violent than american football that doesn’t mean is for “pussies” or less enjoyable. Both games have their fans. I think there’s too much preoccupation with differences of those two exactly because their similarities. But that born adversities. I remember a concept behind all sports: fair play.
278 Ruth
February 1st, 2010 at 10:00 pm
@Csimmons (268):
No doubt NFL is a tough sports, just like rugby amongst others. One point I disagree with you is your last sentence.
“But if we didn’t have these pads on, I can’t even imagine the kinds of injuries that can occur. People would probably die.”
The people tackling would be more conscious about the damage that could occur to them if they were not wearing any pads, and thus would slow down etc.
Not to mention the necks found in rugby players, I don’t often see players with those kind of shoulders and necks in NFL. Perhaps we don’t have to build those attributes as we have protection on.
Most injuries I see in the NFL are when players pile on each other to dive on the ball. Usually some large player weighing approx 140kg dives on some poor players legs / arms.
In essence what I am trying to say, is while Padding might of originally been for the protection of its players it is essentially just a way to fasten up the game, and records show that adding all that protection has only marginally increased protection of the player. One thing I would like to see is the removal of the helmet in NFL. Too many players leading with the helmet.
279 Ruth
February 1st, 2010 at 10:06 pm
to # 262
I thought Kory Stringer died from heat stroke……
There is no doubt NFL takes intelligence just like every sport. The only reason NFL is likened to chess is because the quarterback gets allocated time to set up his play, just like chess. The real geniuses of NFL are the ones who make decisions on the fly.
280 rollie713
February 1st, 2010 at 10:10 pm
brian dawkins should b on this list
281 Ruth
February 1st, 2010 at 10:17 pm
The hardest players in rugby, NFL and Australian Rules football, are those players who keep their eyes on the ball while they are about to get steamrolled, only to get up and do it again.
I must admit I wish some of these hard hitters had to be on the receiving end day in and day out. Just to see how many would make it.
282 snakester
February 1st, 2010 at 11:07 pm
LOL at Schizo (#269) who characterized American Football fans as people, “…who cheerfully joy while screaming: blood… bloodddd… blooddd….!” Talk about an ad hominem argument, you suggest that this fallacy is indicitive of the way all US Citizens behave all the time! I’m not sure if you have ever met a US Citizen, but I apologize to you if that event has you thinking that we are all primitive savages who care only to see blood shed and giggle with glee. We dont all watch the “Jersey Shore” you know. Also, simply because you have not read my name before does not mean that I have never contributed to this site; or that my words are less meaningful. By mentioning that may have been my “first comment” you are passive-aggressively trying to discredit me, which is often the last card of a failed argument. God bless.
To Ruth (#275), you are correct, Kory Stringer died of heat stroke in training camp. I thought twice about bringing his name up as its more of an emotional argument than intellectual, but his was the first name that came to mind, likely due to the events’ recency.
On the chess parallel, I would suggest that American Football is also like chess in that different positions and their movement on the field will dictate what your opponent can achieve, and someone who can orchestrate these moving parts successfully will be more effective than the players who do not have as full a grasp of the game. I can’t tell if you are agreeing with my example of Peyton Manning as an intellectual chess-like player on the field; he regularly thinks on the fly at the line, changing plays to take advantage of the defensive motion presnap. He takes the play that is called in from the sideline and checks out of it when necessary depending upon the looks the defense provides him. After the ball is snapped he may still redirect his backs and receivers on the fly to ensure the play is successful. By your definition you would then consider Peyton Manning a genius, and I would agree with you.
283 HOMER SIMPSON
February 1st, 2010 at 11:27 pm
269 schizo
you have no idea how the game of American football is played do you?
half of the game is mental and stratigized by players who have to study football film. its a chess game. don’t complain about something in witch you have no understanding on.you just end up looking stupid.
284 capt Funtime
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:48 am
so where do people stand on non-americans picking a team? i decided the start of this season to back the Giants, any reasons why i shouldn’t?
285 Maximuz04
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:35 am
@capt Funtime (284):
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I have a nack of following particular players, not teams. So I would be ok with it. I have lived in california my whole life but while i was still following the NFL, i would follow the Titans because steve McNair was my favorite player.
Now that I only follow college football, of course I follow the home team (USC) but I also follow some teams due to the players whose careers and footage I saw about their games in high school.
In the same light, I could see someone following players out of college. Coinscidentally, two of my favorite players in college (Landell White and Vince Young) both went to the Titans…
286 Springs
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:35 am
The comments on here about Rugby players not beibg hit hard are completely false. I have broken my arm being hit in Rugby, but that was Rugby League, a much tougher sport than Rugby Union. And in Rugby League shoulder charges and big hits are common, while tackling is quite a diffcult skill I doubt many American Football players would have.
And Aussie Rules players never get hit hard, it is a much less physical game than League or Gridiron.
287 Maggot
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Ah, fun with comments:
@Winston (126): Candy-ass? Yeh good journalism there sunshine
News flash: I’m not a journalist.
@mom424 (130): I care very little for football…but I was enthralled by it anyway…You’ve made me a fan of these particular NFL players
Of course everyone loves to receive favorable responses about their lists, but comments like this are particularly rewarding. It’s especially nice to be able to win over someone that otherwise wouldn’t have been all that interested in the subject matter.
@ME (137): this list is absolute shit. you have to be a dumb motherfucker to think this list is correct. you’re so stupid, you fucking idiot…im surprised at how truly terrible this list is.
Meh, can’t win ‘em all. lol
@49er4life (143): keep a future spot in this list for P Willis #52.
@Spencer (149): Players are so much bigger today than in the 60’s. I know it’s heresy but Butkus, Nitschke, and Lambert do not belong on this list. Linebackers today are bigger, stronger and faster than these guys were.
Admittedly, in sports, because of the factors you mentioned as well as rule changes, it is sometimes difficult to compare players of different eras. A lot of achievements are timeless, but in many cases you really have to evaluate a guy’s talents in comparison to their peers of the day. Obviously, every team in the league has a set of linebackers, but guys like Butkus, Nitschke, and Lambert were well above their respective crowds. I agree, you can’t make up for large deficiencies in body size and mass as compared to the average modern day players, but if those older generation guys had the benefit of today’s year-round coaching, training methods, nutrition plans, etc., how much better could they have been? These guys aren’t really much smaller by comparison actually…well Lambert might be considered a little light, but these days it is primarily the down linemen (both O and D) that have become enormous.
@Jack D. (175): Ray Lewis and Reggie White should at least have been honorable mentions.
Great idea. Why didn’t I think of that?
@Furious (208): no mention of Kenny Easley.
Definitely a great player. Too bad his career ended prematurely due to injury complications. That is actually kind of a sad story, if you care to look it up.
Interestingly, Easley was drafted the same year as Lott, and in fact was picked before Lott, at number 4 (by Seattle). Both players were highly rated DBs going into that draft, and as a Niner fan I was tending to favor Easley due to his slightly larger build. Not like I was disappointed with having to “settle” for Lott though, and they also got the great Eric Wright and the not too shabby Carlton Williamson in later rounds. That 1981 draft was rich in talent. LT was taken #2 overall (Heisman winner George Rogers was picked first), and also Hall of Famers Mike Singletary (the current Niners’ head coach) and Howie Long (both 2nd rounders) were from that draft class. Sing was taken a mere two picks after the Niners’ pick in that round, which they wasted on someone else. Oh the “what if” game…
@FATSEXY (268): A top 10 list with NINETEEN f’ing entries. Garbage.
It’s ok to think outside the box, Fats. Btw, count much?
@Z (274): where the hell is Romanowski
Romo was a roided up punk. From taking crotch shots on guys, kicking downed players in the head, spitting on opposing players, to slugging one of his own teammates and ending that guy’s career, Romanowski gets little if any respect from me.
@Ruth (278): Most injuries I see in the NFL are when players pile on each other to dive on the ball. Usually some large player weighing approx 140kg dives on some poor players legs / arms.
I’d say the most common serious injuries are to the knees (the body’s weakest link), ankles, and concussions. Typically these aren’t caused by pileups.
@capt Funtime (284): i decided the start of this season to back the Giants, any reasons why i shouldn’t?
Too bad you didn’t jump in with them a couple years ago. Then you could’ve enjoyed one of the biggest upsets in Super Bowl history.
288 howyadoin09
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:44 pm
C’mon LT is LT, LT is never 2nd.Great list though maggot.
289 schizo
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:05 pm
@snakester
i mean your 1st comment towards my post, not in this site
where’s the fair-play if you leave your opponents crippled and injured…?
@homer
d’oh! aww dude… only you and mr. snakester above mentioned about the intelligent part of the game. The tic-tac-toe or chess-like game, whose using real human flesh as the minions. Thing I see more on the coach/director parts of play, not the ‘minions’s. Someone above mentioned also player’s intelligence, but i think that’s only sample-error in statistically way of speaking.
In that matter, i’d reckon you both are also statistical sample-error. Cuz the majority of fans out there care more on the huge physical size, the masculine monstrosities, the brutal crushing… THE BLOOD, rather than what your views are.
Ii know it may be too much or may have sense of fallacies in my constructive argumentation, but still i see this one at least as ‘a hint’ for the bigger picture of US of A as one big nation… ‘a hint’ of violent minds and attitudes
290 marco 73
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:07 pm
I have to respectfully disagree with those who think that the great players of yesterday would not be able to play in today’s game with everyone so much “bigger”. Yes, offensive and defensive lineman have become larger, but there are still places for fast, hard hitting men. #9 on the list, John Lynch, played safety in Tampa with a linebacker who should at least get honorable mention: Derrick Brooks.
He’s listed as 6’0″ and 235 pounds, certainly smaller than several of the “old time” players listed. I’ve met Mr. Brooks and I’m 6’4″, I’d say that 6’0″ is very generous. He was a dominating force from 1995 through 2008 in Tampa. There is a saying about athletes that applies very well with American football players: “its not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.”
291 huh?
February 4th, 2010 at 4:54 am
What about the original Roy Williams? Back in his heyday, before they implemented the “Roy Williams Rule”?
292 GRUMPSTER
February 4th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Why has it become European sport V US sport? It should be US sport V the rest of the world.
More countries play rugby, cricket and football than ones that play AMERICAN football or baseball. And they’re not just European countries, either. We’re talking Asia, South America, Oceania, Africa
And there’s a reason why the rest of the world don’t play those sports to any sort of large degree: because they’re a bit crap, really
293 TheGreenOak
February 4th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
I have played Rugby and Football. Football is twice as painful when it comes to hitting. Rugby is mainly just dragging someone down. Football is actually hitting people. Any athlete that has played both can tell you. And for all you European soccer loving douche bags… Soccer is a great sport but all those little pansys do out there is act like there hurt… constantly faking to get a flag.. they need to grow some balls and just play.. but thats how they all are. You will never, never, never see a nfl player fake hurt.
294 tdtedy
February 4th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
@TheGreenOak (293):
I must correct you on your statement that an NFL player will never fake being hurt. On November 30, 2003 during a regular season game against the Indianapolis Colts in Indianapolis, New England Patriots linebacker Willie McGinest (#55)faked an injury.
With 40 seconds left in the 4th quarter, the Pats were leading 38-34, but the Colts were on the Pats 2 yard line with a 1st and goal. The Pats stuffed the run on the first and second plays. It was on the second play that McGinest left the field with an “injury” and had to sit out at least 1 play. On the third play, the Pats broke up the touch down pass attempt from the 1 yard line. McGinest was back in on the 4th down with 15 seconds left to play. He and Vince Wilfork stuffed the run and secured the win for the Patriots.
The way Willie was running around the field celebrating after that last stop, it was obvious that he hadn’t been hurt at all, but was just buying a few precious seconds for his coaches to game-plan.
As I said in my first post (#264), I’ve been a fan of the Patriots for 33 years now but I’m also an NFL fan and I try not to wear blinders.
295 tdtedy
February 4th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
@tdtedy (294):
Ooops! For got to say:
Go Colts!
My father-in-law needs a second Super Bowl hat and t-shirt.
296 J
February 4th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
@3wer4 (29): In football you actually hit each other, there aren’t rules saying you have to wrap up and drag down. You can actually deliver a blow on each and every play. In addition to this you can block so there are so many more hits in a game. I respect rugby but stop acting like rugby players don’t wear pads because they’re tough when in reality they don’t wear pads because they are not necessary.
297 J
February 4th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
@marco 73 (290): You must take into account that with modern training techniques and “supplements” weighing 230 now can be a lot different than weighing 230 in 1975. The athletes are faster and stronger than ever.
298 J
February 4th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
@tdtedy (294): Sweet job with one example where a player was trying to stop the clock. And I bet he didn’t cry like the soccer players do after someone barely touches their toe.
299 Field Turf
February 5th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Thanks for the great post! keep it coming
300 artificial turf
February 6th, 2010 at 1:00 am
Great post… keep it coming! I only wish there were more websites like this.
301 archangel
February 6th, 2010 at 8:13 am
nice list. it can’t help but be american because no other bloody country plays NFL as seriously as they do.
302 Ruairi
February 7th, 2010 at 5:09 am
er, im not allowed to say 300th am i? Football (proper football) > ‘football’.
303 Daithi
February 7th, 2010 at 5:28 am
Good man Ruairi!
304 St. James
February 8th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Chuck Cecil was one of the hardest hitting players ever.
305 JD
February 10th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
I’m with rollie713 Dawkins should be on this list!
306 Roy Sipel
February 15th, 2010 at 12:19 am
Lets see them in the UFC…
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307 TJ
February 21st, 2010 at 12:28 am
Great List, Stop hatin America, We will be top dogs till the world comes to an end.. Might as well start giving us your land..
308 Killa Kass
March 2nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
For real, how come Euro’s love to scoff at America any chance they get? For real I want to know. I don’t see much bashing on Euro sports threads by Americans. Yet the complete opposite happens whenever someone mentions Baseball, Football, or Basketball.
They will say things like you are only good at “American Sports”. Which is true. Americans dominate the sports they created. However Americans excel at a multitude of sports. The great American athelete is playing a homegrown sport because of the money, and glory that come along with it. There is NOTHING for an American that is great at an unpopular sport.(save for the Olympics, and that only lasts for a short while)Thus they are not playing them. What sports besides the ones Euros grew up with are they good at?
309 oldguy
April 28th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
At Kezar in the early ’50s, guy named Hardy Brown, played linebacker for the 49ers, about 6′ & 195, hardest hitter I ever saw, must’ve knocked 25 or 30 guys out of football including the great Glenn Davis, Army’s Mr Outside. Took on anyone, guys outweighing him by 100lbs would be flat on their backs after one of his hits. Hit legal, with his shoulder, nothing cheap about him. They broke the mold when they made this guy, believe me. Ask any old timer about him & see what they say.
310 DeVontae
May 14th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
This aint no good list Ray Lewis isn't even on it. Are you all stupid.
311 jfdunn
May 21st, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Padding in football is like padding in boxing gloves. It doesn't soften the blow to your face, but to the other guy's fist. Padding has probably accounted for a greater rate of injury since it allows the other guy to hit you that much harder.