Recently, renowned physicist Stephen Hawking announced that if humans didn’t want to face extinction, our only option is to abandon planet Earth. In addition to the threats most species face, we humans also have the capability to destroy ourselves and/or our planet with thermonuclear weapons. Nuclear devastation tops a long list of ways for us to go out, including asteroid impacts, solar storms, disease outbreaks, etc. Here’s a fun fact: Over 99% of all species that have ever existed on our planet have gone extinct. Still, assuming Earth someday becomes inhospitable due to some catastrophe, here are 8 ways for us to avoid extinction.

In the event of widespread devastation such as a nuclear holocaust, asteroid impact or some other large-scale environmental disaster, one way humans could survive would be to simply rebuild. For shelter, humans would most likely be forced to settle in places either untouched or the least damaged by the disaster. Securing food and water may not prove as difficult as expected. There are many techniques for purifying, distilling, and ensuring water is safe to use. The short-term solution to food would be to forage. Nuclear fallout can be washed off sealed food, fruits and vegetables, etc. with minimal risk of danger. Long term solutions could include reintroducing destroyed species into nature. The Svalbard Global Seed Vault in Norway is home to over 250 million seeds, with a total capacity of more than 2 billion. Underneath a cooling layer of permafrost, it is located inside a mountain near the North Pole, 400 feet above sea level and far away from tectonic plates. If the food chain were ever disrupted, genebanks like Svalbard would be crucial to our survival.

If the food chain were disrupted by plague, or a deadly pandemic were spreading among humans, an option to fight back might be genetic manipulation. Scientists have already figured out how to force evolution of a virus to manipulate it’s behavior and reproduction, and they also know how to manipulate and replace genes in humans. Certain harmless viruses can be forcibly evolved to bypass our immune systems, making them perfect delivery systems for drugs that target specific cells. Genetic engineering and gene therapy in humans could potentially prevent future generations from contracting diseases and also to help the living by swapping out bad genes for good ones – a technique called somatic cell gene therapy.

In the early 1930s, plans were drawn up for a 35-story “depth scraper,” to be built underground in an enormous excavation. This was proposed as an engineering solution to survive earthquakes in Japan. The idea was never realized, but extended human habitation underground has long been a popular idea. If the surface of the earth was somehow rendered inhospitable to humans, through nuclear or solar radiation, a nuclear winter or impact winter, etc., living underground may be a solution to survival. The obvious problems are lack of sunlight, ventilation and food and water, but, as we’ve recently heard from the trapped miners in Chile, the psychological issues associated with being stuck underground are immense, and maintaining mental health is equally as important as maintaining physical health. Farming underground utilizing skylights may be possible, but recycling and efficient energy use would be paramount. Ultimately, living underground would most likely be a temporary fix until a return to the surface (or one of the last four list items) is possible.

One solution to the problem of overpopulation and mass over consumption of resources would be for humans to colonize the ocean. A technology called Ocean thermal energy conversion (OTEC) uses the temperature differences between shallow and deep water to run an engine, which would provide an easily obtained renewable energy source. Solar and wave power could also be easily obtained at sea. OTEC technology can also be used to provide fresh water which could support large scale hydroponic farming. Extended human habitation would require underwater, partially submerged, or floating cities. Megastructures like the Shimizu Mega-City Pyramid have been suggested, but due to the immense weight issues involved, it would require technology that is currently unavailable.

If our planet is somehow damaged beyond repair or becomes too saturated with people, we may have no choice but to leave. The first step away from Earth would most likely be large space habitats. Space habitats have been a popular recurring theme in science fiction, with many of them resembling the Stanford Torus idea. This is comprised of an enormous rotating donut shaped ring (torus) which would simulate gravity on the interior by using centrifugal force. The interior of the torus would be large enough to simulate a natural environment, resembling a long valley that curved up at the ends until meeting overhead and forming a complete circle. Energy would primarily come from solar power, and building resources could be mined from asteroids or nearby moons and planets. In addition to providing habitation away from Earth, having multiple and separate space habitats would ensure the survival of our species even if one population is destroyed.

Another option when leaving our planet would be to colonize satellites like moons or asteroids. Satellite outposts would most likely be specific to the resources available on the satellite. Almost all known elements can be found in stable forms on asteroids or comets. Satellites that are rich in specific elements or minerals could be mined for their materials and easily transported due to the lack of strong gravity. Large amounts of frozen water and carbon-bearing compounds have been detected on moons orbiting Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. One of Jupiter’s moons, Ganymede, even has a magnetosphere which would reduce solar radiation at the surface. Outposts on satellites, while being crucial for getting building materials and/or fuel, would likely not be permanent human settlements, as there would be no reason to remain once the resources have been consumed.

Once humans are in space, outposts and colonies on other planets would be the next step in expanding away from Earth. These settlements would be of a more permanent nature because of the more abundant resources available for extraction on planets, and because of the large amounts of energy needed to leave the atmosphere once on the surface. Habitats on planets like Mars and Venus would have to be underground or enclosed, due to the inhospitable conditions on the planet. Because of the extreme temperature and air pressure differences, methods to support life would be similar to that of underground or space habitats. There have also been less practical ideas on how to populate the larger gas giant planets. One method even involves suspending floating cities from giant balloons in the upper atmospheres.

The last, and by far the most ambitious item on the list, is to deliberately make an inhospitable planet suitable for humans to live normally as they do on Earth. This process, called terraforming, is well beyond our current realm of technology and capability, but could possibly be a viable option in the distant future. The first step would be to release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere of the planet, trapping the Sun’s heat and raising surface temperatures. In the case of terraforming Mars, raising surface temperatures would be needed in order to vaporize the polar ice caps. This would, in turn, release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, further warming the planet. Ice would melt, raising atmospheric pressure and providing the much-needed water. The final (and by far the most time consuming) stage would be to plant trees that use carbon dioxide and produce oxygen, making the air breathable.




















But seriously I find this list quite interesting as its something I've often thaught of.
Again, this article, like most, focuses on fixing symptoms and ignores the real problem which is us. Fewer people means less drain on available resources and less intrusion into the living space of other creatures. The Peoples' Republic of China's one child policy was a very successful experiment in management of a county's population. It would be nice of all of us could work together to achieve a comfortably sustainable number. I doubt that it will happen. Zero population growth was a popular notion abut forty years ago in the USA. What happened people? I did my part. Please do yours.
It is unfortunate that your parents failed to do theirs.
What you fail to realise is that if there were zero population growth for any length of time the population would become old. There would be no kids, no teenagers and the whole world would consist of middle aged and elderly people.
what you fail to realize is that zero population growth doesn't mean children would be a thing of the past. it means that the birth rate and the death rate would keep at a roughly 1:1 ratio. for every white haired senior that moves on to…wherever, a bouncing baby is born to balance it out. that's my take on it anyway.
One of the best, most informative articles I have EVER read here at Listverse- congrats!
This is what a REAL list is composed of.
I always wondered what the human race would do if faced with "certain & unforeseen events."
Once again, thumbs up, hope to read more intriguing articles like this in the future.
This list is interesting, but a bit silly. Pure Sci-Fi if you ask me. You probably won't ask me, but if you did…
Just out of interest, do you have a way to ensure human survival in a way that wouldn't currently be regarded as sci-fi?
Possibly magic?
Then we'll face the same problem…
Since none of the options above ensure any survival, the correct answer would be "no."
Looking over the sci-fi list above, I'm struck by the incredible amount of energy needed to do the least bit of any of those suggestions. And some of them (going into the earth to avoid earthquakes?) are dubious, at best.
wow that was a really cool list! very interesting!
Wow!!!!! Such a great article, 10/10 J!!!!
relly funny……can never b implemented
check it out, we got a creationist here!
Wonderful, thought-provoking list.I think it’s so sad that a species may have to leave it’s home planet because it was so destructive. Its not natural. We destroy the gift that’s given to us. People need to fix the earth…now.
…or a bit later. Id kill for a beer right now. Oh whats on the telly? Maybe ill make me a sandwich. Yeah. I can save the world later.
watch Star Trec – they BOLDLY figured out all this ***** in the future – not to worry
Star Trek
Unless we set off a Nuclear winter, we haven't been destructive enough to ever need to leave. Everything else is pure conjecture. Now that we know what's happening, we can prevent the worst case scenarios through our advanced understanding of the planet and how it works.
Besides, if we do go extinct it's the planet's way of telling us it was time. There have been quite a few mass extinction events before, no reason to think there won't be another one.
This planet has gone through a lot in it's 4.5 billion years, we are a pretty inconsequential speck in comparison.
agreed – some people just can't imagine earth without humans – looks like the major evolutionary trait of Homo sapiens is ego
I don't think it's ego per-say, it's just the fact that we lack the ability to grasp what we've never experienced.
I agree,it'd be even sadder if we were capable and some old folk remembered the old days on Earth
Hopefully we never have to resort to any of these things in the near future!!
We should advance our Artificial Intelligence technology, build a spaceship n load it up with a buch of these highly intelligent robots, load it up with all of the worlds seeds, gene codes, etc.., and program them to roam space until they find a hospitable planet, n repopulate it!
hey no humans required! excellent!
2 lists today? Double the fun. Merci jfrater.
“also know how to manipulate and replace genes in humans” oh God. No, no, nooooo!!!
Havent there been enough debate concerning eugenics(with some very respectable scientists jumping in that wagon), about race issues and the superiority of a certain race?
What limits should we impose on human genetic engineering. Will it be available to everyone? Ofcourse not. The rich will improve their offsprings while the poor will have a reason to be poor and stay poor all their lives:they are genetically inferior.
We all owe death a visit and we know our species will eventually be extinct and we know the universe will cool down to nearly 0K temperatures therefore dying. Whats the point of this fuss? Probably in a 100 years we will have created A.I. So we will be able to create intelligent machines that could work indefinatly, we will have made our mark (seti in fact says its more likely to see such machines than to actually meet their biological creators). All this amazing science for me is just the glorification of our weaknesses: desire to live eternaly, greed, the idea that only we matter.
PS: changed my mind. Genetic engineering is good. We should modify the gene that tells us that our kids are the most special beings on the face of this planet. Maybe this way we could achieve a more equal society. I know these genes brought us this far but our greatest strenght can be our greatest weakness.
//hippy mod OFF
I'd never considered that we could possibly contact machines as opposed to biological beings. The thought of that is as incredible (the technology of said machines would likely be mind-boggling… as a sci-fi fan this has me drooling) as it is sad (knowing that the 'father' species has died off and we will not get the chance to meet and interact with them).
Conversely, millions of years from now, it is difficult to fathom an alien biological race encountering human-created machinery. I wonder what they would make of a species who took the time to develop internet fridges…?
Que Gardens also has a seed collection, the show I was watching called it the largest collection in the world.
i had a seed collection for a long time.
not the largest, by any means, but it did appear to be deceivingly large on account of all the stems in there.
Unless humans get more sensible, they will quickly stuff up underground/the ocean/space stations/moons/planets. Also, given the limited capacity of these alternative habitats, who would be chosen to survive? (See Ben Elton's novel Stark.)
Number 6 reminds me a lot of that book "City of Ember." It's a book about a society that survives an apocalypse by living underground, but the citizens living there are unaware of it, believing that they have always lived in a world of total darkness.
***** man you beat me to it..anyways I 'v just watched the movie..is the book better or the movie?
book —– i mean, it is a kid's book, so obviously jeanne duprau's writing style is very un-confusing…. but perhaps, too much so. the movie was just too campy
Nice list but i was disappointed , not at the quality of the list (the list was great) but at the fact that if some global catastrophe does occur , we still dont have a realistic "lifeboat" to save our species . They should use genetic engineering on only one guy super powered and put everything we have into it . Then we build him a base in Antarctica and give him tights and a cape and make him be our super hero . and also he should fly be super strong and have "meat vision" the ability to bombard anything with a highly concentrated meat current of meat . That would be cool .
Suppose that guy becomes totally evil with power? Then what? And lifeboat?? as in 2012?
No Life boat as in figuratively as in earth is the ship we need life boats to evacuate. 2012 was ***** -except Harrelson he's always cool .
We only need the super hero to like punch asteroids, swallow nuclear bombs and destroy crocs etc . If he becomes and ass we just kill him like a small dog . (we make him allergic to green dye no.2 or something lame like that )
@bluesman87: ""We only need the super hero to like punch asteroids, swallow nuclear bombs and destroy crocs etc""
is chuck norris free this week?……..
But you cant call him captain america cuz people would say ….geeesh this is soo american.
And id bet he’s still say :FIRST to have heat ray vision, unless they can eliminate that FIRST gene. That would be good. And make him immune to brock and armacoq. Cuz a normal human being would suffer a massive head explosion if exposed to these to creatures for more that 5 min.
nope actually his name will be "Flying-kick Man " or "Sue" and he will stand for justice, honor and BBQ'd meat products!! But in addition to his super strong powers we should make him extremely ugly and repulsive so that we can still look down on him and feel better about ourselves . Oh and instead of that manly voice super heroes have he should have a wussy voice but still be hectic dangerously strong. Flying Kick Man !!! Al rescate!!! or "My name is Sue !! How do you do ?!!! now you gonna die!!!!!"
Lets make him so he/she likes one of those weird japanese subcultures. Like too much tan and huge eyes but she’d have to hate lady gaga. I wanna be saved but something very foreign. And no gender. I dont want to feel the boobs of a very ugly woman while she’s holding me from my free fall. Nor do i want to feel a penis.
And she should have a psp go attached to her. Its boring to be flown away from a nuclear explosion and have nothing to do but sit in someone’s arms.
heh heh a *****less , colorless , mercilessly deformed super freak altered to the limit of biological humanity that can perform terrifyingly absurd feats of agility……. we'll call it MJ
But we would surely have to raise him in a non-father environment.
Loving the meat ray concept… that ***** would be well wicked.
Death by bacon, for instance, is not as unattractive a thought as one might first anticipate.
Wright's brand bacon!
He he. Good one. A texan MJ. With video games.
OMG! I love this list! Long live humanity and science.
Build new underground cities, eh? City of ember?
did anyone notice that the picture for 2) Planet Outposts is from Starcraft 2? lol.
Haha, now that you point it out, i just spotted the downed battle cruiser in the valley
Like most posters ahead of me – Great List MikeS!! Also I wish to nominate myself to lead a team consisting only of Beauty Queen standard women scientists-engineers-mechanics-chefs-doctors-jelly wrestlers etc to repopulate one of the identified suitable planets. If no suitable planets are located, then one of the Space Stations. Should that not be available, then I will settle for a nice ranch-style mansion overlooking a lake some place where I shall not shirk from my repopulating duties. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
I think i saw that movie. You were the pizza delivery guy, right?
Nah, I was the pool cleaner in that one.
Oh wow coincidence! I was the maid!
I thought I recognised you.
Does anyone remember that episode of Doctor Who, where Morbius, when he dies, his body is destroyed, but his BRAIN survives? And the same thing, as in They Saved hitler`s Brain. Or put someones personality into a computer. This sounds like science fiction, but that HAS been done. So Isn`t that the best way to ensure the survival of the Human Race? it makes more sense to me. and American and Russian scentists have already saved brains of MONKEYS and DOGS. Which is evil, but what if they could do it with people?
“Or put someones personality into a computer. This sounds like science fiction, but that HAS been done. ”
So you’re actually a computer replica of the most annoying person that ever walked on gods green earth?
Im coming to britain to unplug you. LV commenters this blog has hopes to be pest free again.
But funny enough you do have a point. But lets say you copy personality and memories and all that. Can you still copy the conscience. I mean i am wired to recognize who i am. If i meet a person that thinks like me talks like me acts like me i can still point to that guy and say he’s not me. The same i think would go for a copy of you (god forbid) or me. We would still tell the difference. Also would you build a copy of yourself that knows every little secret and has all your flaws. I wouldnt, I dont want my personality to live forever. Or my memories. Death would be an experience i wouldnt want to miss for the world. And i want to take some things with me.
I think humanity is about leaving a mark. Thats why we leave out genes to our children. Its our mark. I think the next mark would be AI machines. Intelligent machines that would spread across the universe and that would not have our flaws.
Ps:apparently when you’re not talking about gender or religion or race or history or africa or the british legacy or jewish people you CAN make a good point. Lets see what other topics are there left. Hmm. Gastronomy and Mr Bean.
Evil is subjective.
Cloning sheep was evil to some, but a profound scientific discovery to the rest of the world.
i like the list. But why is everybody looking foor solutions that are almost impossible. I think that those solutions need to be much simpler. So that when disaster strikes everybody can react and not only rocketscientists. There is a lot bigger chance of human survival when it will be with 6 billion then it is with 6.million
Interesting list. Number 7 is a scary propostion though. How easy would it be to go overboard with the whole gene manipulation thing? Humans being what they are, there's a huge potential for abuse there with two new classes of human beings, those who have been gentically manipulated and those who haven't. You can be sure that only those that could afford it would have their offspring genetically tweaked, while the offspring of those who couldn't would become a sort of underclass because they would still be susceptible to diseases and contagions. We already have racism, so what would we call that? Geneism? Also, I always thought the idea of leaving a polluted earth to colonize another planet was a reflection of our approach to everything, use it up and throw it away instead of trying to preserve and care for what we have.
Your comment about ther being two classes of people reminds me of a Sci-fi book called A Very private Life by Michael Frayn. In the future there are two seperate classes of people; those who live entirely indoors and who are drugged into being content. They have never gotten sick or had to do any work. They watch virtual reality type films about nature an idaelizedoutside world and *****. Then the other class who are uneducated and rough, and who do all the work providing food etc for the indoor people. The main character excapes the indoors in an atrempt to feel real human contact. (She doesn't understand whats wrong when she gets sick for the first time).
that sounds awesome, kind of like a variation on "Brave New World".
Wasnt the movie GATTACA about that very thing?
God, that movie scared me. Before humans should even consider genetically engineering ourselves, everyone should be forced to sit down and watch that, as well as read "Brave New World".
That would make us think twice.
did you watch wall-e before u made this list?
that movie is such crap.
your mom is crap
CENSOR ME
Interesting list, MikeS. Incidentally, I had been watching a few episodes of Firefly again just yesterday (it's a sci-fi show set 500 years in the future where the Earth was no longer habitable so humans moved out to create a life on the moon, on planets, etc). The theme song started playing in my head as I was reading your list and now it won't stop.
I'm still sooooo angry at fox for cancelling firefly, it was seriously one of the best shows out there, I still watch all episodes on my DVD set at least twice a year.
***** YOU FOX!!!!!
Love you Firefly.
Miss you Firefly.
Anyone know if there will be another Serenity film…?
never heard of it.
go Vuze!!!
I highly doubt there will be another Serenity film (or a continuation of the series). The film tied up most loose ends, we now know where reavers come from, the alliance is on the verge of collapse, Simon and Kaylee have finally hooked up and River is, well, a little less insane. Besides, Shepherd Book and Wash are dead, so two of the main characters couldn't continue anyway. I would have loved to know more about Book's past, why does he have an ID-card that grants him immediate attention from the Alliance, how come he knows so much about fighting and space travel. And what's up with Jubal Early's remark "That ain't a Shepherd."?
goddammit….I hate you FOX…….
Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot staaaand
I love people saying that all these solutions are impossible.. Like if you asked someone 50 years ago that we will be able to communicate with people on the other side of the earth in less than a second they would have believed you. So, you cant really know what technology will be like in 50 or even 10 years from now.
they certainly would have-they had phones 50 years ago.
Completely agree with you!
Great list by the way!
Hmm gene replacing underwater city? Bioshock, anyone?
What about the splicers splicing your ass lol.
It's all good… just load up on ADAM and fry those mother*****ers.
Well im always swarmed by wasp's and thats in WALES lol.So i will just sting though mothers to death.Do what they do in fallout 3,live on a huge boat or a hotel.
I’d take the little sisters over to Megaton and raise them as an army of lethal *****s.
good list. inter space travel has always fascinated me. maybe one day i will invent a warp 20 engine.
travel to far away galaxies and meet new species. and possibly inter breed with them creating species hybrids.
Good list. One point though, seeing as they have discovered more water on the moon, it could have been included on this list as an outpost aswell. I think the russians developed a method where by heating the soil they can release water, oxygen and hydrogen. Could be something to look into.
What about Cryonic suspension. Though not possible now,in the future as technology and understanding evolves it may be more plausabl then some of these
I was thinking the same thing, although if some catastrophe destroys all of civilization then that would destroy the cryogenically suspended people too, wouldn't it? I propose having it like Carl Sagan put forth in "Contact" — people live on space stations and have the option to be cryogenically frozen on said space stations. They can chill out (pun intended) up there until Earth becomes habitable again.
There's an episode of Stargate Atlantis where a civilization tried that. Didn't go so well. Sort of like a Wendy's for Wraith.
i wouldn't turn to startgate for any answers
#0 is put a conservative in the White House. Aww, say it ain't so, Flame.
Lotsa fun in this list, Mike!
'Cause Bush worked out so well…
Bush wasn't a conservative
This is great stuff. Always fascinated by science fiction ideas and their potential implementation in the real world. Novel I'm reading now is by James Blish where humans have invented contraptions called spindizzies that allow them to lift whole cities from the earth and leave. Antideath drugs allow huge lifespans spanning hundreds of years. Humanity becomes nomads amongst the stars. Of course I can see where these sci fi writers get their ideas. Sometimes you look around…tired from argument with stupidity, and say "I don't want to live on this planet anymore."
Cities in Flight… It's been awhile since that one.
Of course, for a list like this, I'd prefer to stick a bit closer to mechanisms which wouldn't require throwing out pretty much all of physics.
You should really make a spot were you can hold your favorite lists for future referance
Interesting list. Always liked playing the game of "what if?". I wouldn't choose living in the ocean. Only need a whale to float past and I would be done. Like the idea of living in space or off-planet. Sounds cool. Like the list.
However, life will find a way if we are wiped out. I'm not going to sweat the small stuff right now.
I think a far more realistic survival solution to a world-wide disaster would be cannabalism. Your food source would only be limited by your immediate area and how much ammo you had. Water could be a problem, so you just distill the salt from blood and drink that.
That's why instead of food, I'm stocking up on guns and ammo. See ya around, kids!
I really hope the earth doesn’t meet it’s doom. If 2012′s doomsday turns out to be real, a lot of people will be unpleasantly surprised, including myself. Anyways, very good list, one of the best, I’m sure.
You know what'll really ***** me off though is that by that point I'll have finally gotten the Christmas shopping done and it'll have all been in vain.
very interesting but what about cure from death
LOL.
meh. nice list, but I am sooo disgusted by our species' seemingly dominion over all things, including our own eventual demise. Sorry gang, the sun will go supernova in a few billion, and earth will be engulfed, as have so many other planets, solar systems, stars, and galaxies before us…and after us as well! I am not afraid of dying or my own species extinction…extinction seems to be the ultimate end to all species…once a niche or the ecology changes dramatically, so goes certain species.
oh-I know humans are amazingly adaptable. But space travel? seriously? the nearest star that might have a solar system that might have inhabitable planets (Proxima Centauri) is only 4.3 light years away.
I have no doubt in science or the advancement of technology-but aside from all the aspiring Gene Roddenberrys out there, I understand that warp speed is an improbability.
I agree – humans exalt themselves above all other creatures – how arrogant. Where I live, 20,000 years ago, were hundreds of species that don’t exist anymore and there is no great mystery about the extinctions. Humans thinking they are somehow immune to extinction from purely natural causes is just plain ignorance.
(not to nitpick but Sol is going red giant, not nova – not enough mass)
yes, TEX, I stand corrected! not a supernova…although it would only take one occurring fairly close (in astrological terms) to obliterate all life as we know it…as if humans can predict accurately the supernovas, the comet impacts, the environmental changes associated with climatic sessions…hell, we can't even accurately predict the weather on the surface of our planet! (or, so it seems, be intelligent enough to prepare for the inevitable…the devastation New orleans endured was predicted back in the 1980's!)
“Sorry gang, the sun will go supernova in a few billion… the nearest star … is only 4.3 light years away… I understand that warp speed is an improbability.”
Well the sun is expected to last another 5 billion years but ill be generous here (ill say the scientists or you are off by a factor of 10). Do you REALISE you made a prediction for the next 500.000.000 years? Where was humanity 50.000 years ago? We might go from extinct to sending intelligent probes in all the universe. We might meet new species (im sure you will find scientists say we WILL meet). So your estimates are very very bold to say the least.
What is the ultimate result of a species becoming highly specialized?
You´re right,
In fact I´m sure that the real outcome of a big scale tragedy would result in a huge involution of humanity (more like that good movie "The Road").
We as the few favored who has access to internet and scientific education (among other luxuries), are completely oblivious of the real implications of such event, we feel safe imagining delightful scenarios were we are selected (due to our charms and wit) to live in the most paradisiac conditions.
Well, sorry to be the killjoy, but that ain´t happening fellows.
Don't most highly specialized species go extinct due to changes in habitat? The horned lizard (horny toad to us Texans) are endangered because of those blasted fire ants (I got bit by some of them bastards yesterday) because of encroachment on their native food source, the red ant.
OT @ Tex –
Why does Armadillotron use our state mammal in his name? They don't have armadillos in Britain.
Our armadillos are Nine-Banded Armadillo (which by the way are the only mammal to give birth to identical quadruplets every litter).
There are South American armadillos that carry leprosy – I believe those refer to Armadillotron.
Armadillos can also delay giving birth until conditions are right. Have you ever tried to catch one? They're pretty quick. My house is on piers (SETX, LA is 30 min away) and they used to dig around them until they met the cats. 15 yrs. later the cats still can't figure out what an armadillo is 'cause they curl up in a ball but the armadillo can figure what a cat is (predator). It's funny to watch.
Do ya really think Armadillotron knows about the leprosy connection? I'd ask him myself but he's kinda mean.
How many cats?
i have three i claim, two i don't claim (one with kitten), and three strays i watch over (one with two kittens and one with three legs)
it is one heck of a comment on the human race that we have already started thinking about what to do when we inevitably mess this planet up. Specifically when it says that when we have consumed the resources on the outposts we will move on, is that all we are good for, consuming?
This list makes me sad, it was interesting though
another chance is time machine why are we forced to go foreward?
That underground idea is just plain awesome. I'm surprised we're not doing that now in some capacity as a way to optimize surface area. Between underground military bunkers and towns to Chinese resorts I know this has been attempted to some degree, but a full fledged underground inverse building like that of the image would be a marvel.
For a while they have been working on a super structure to utilize surface area. It is called the "Ultima" tower. It is two miles high!! It is also supposed to be resistant to earthquakes, tidal waves, and hurricanes. You should look it up. I'm not sure when the building is suppose to start.
@arsnl: “”we all owe death a visit and we all know our species will eventually become extinct and we know the universe will cool down to OK tempertures before dying. What is all the fuss about?” …………………………………………………………………………………………..because the backup list for today was “the 15 prettiest things painted onto box turtles” and frater just wants to challenge us a little.
I remember that kid. I like turtles
Im jusg saying there’s no point to raise hope, olly. But this list makes me think about death just like mentioning 10 painful ways to extend life.
Btw: about continuing your reply on the admin list of yesterday: quand on aime on ne compte pas a loose translation when you love you dont count.(compter means to count, additionner means to sum, ajouter means to add/ numbers or a subtance into another like in cooking or chemistry). The meaning would be when you love something you dont put limits to your actions, you dont control yourself, you act foolishly. And its a bit like that. Its great to read a great list them read some great ideas from the comments and add some of your own thoughts. Or laugh. Some really funny people here.
If premium gets in i hope the quality in the comments atleast wont decline.
Ps:i apologize for continuing a discution on another list but i have this philosophy to rarely (1 comment a week or less) reply to a list from a previous day. This way I can always keep going forward cuz if I start coming back on comments id go mad
Loved your list MikeS… really interesting reading – especially the satellite / planetary outposts.
Imagine living on Enceladus with its water vapour jets and unequivocally the most jaw-dropping view in the Solar System – Saturn and its rings… or Titan with its liquid methane river systems and dense atmosphere (I wonder if Saturn is visible from the surface of Titan?).
@stacey: “”You should really make a spot where you can hold your favorite lists for future referance.
“…..????………………. like your favourites list?……..or your hard drive.?
if we do start terraforming and make it successful, and IF there is life out there, we could end up with the second alien film! :0
sorry – that would be the fifth "Alien" movie
5 reminds me of the Venus Project. Go Google.
The problem that we have is to get of this planet fast and to be able to travel at extreme speeds to nearby planets.You don't want to go through all the hassle of building a space ship and then travel so slow that by the time you get there, you are extinct!
i remember reading about the Venus project in school last year. Very very interesting stuff!
About genetic manipulation – I think that IS the future, as we’ll start getting more adept at biotechnology. Today we create robots out of metal, but eventually we’ll learn how to create them out of flesh. The only reason why we didn’t go with this approach from the beginning is because of religion (“don’t play God” and other similar ideas) and because we’re made of flesh so it’s a bit gross/weird to do it.
But once we learn how to manipulate genes, we’ll be able to improve our lifespan, immunity, strength, etc. Hell, we grow from 5-8 cells into 6 feet tall intelligent beings, so all we need is to figure out how to control all of this (we have the hardware, we just need the software, as developers will say).
And I don’t think those that are improved first will think they’re superior. Aristocrats thought they were superior, and where are they now? Oh right, the “inferior” peasants got tired of them and killed them. As long as one is able to hold a firearm or knife, no “superior” humans will be able to dominate others (not for long, at least, in the worst case).
About space travel, when I see someone say “It’s impossible, no way, are you serious?”, I always imagine people 2-300 years ago saying “A man flying? Preposterous! An insult to God! Impossible!” or even “A man moving at more than 90 miles per hour? He’ll be dead before he reaches 60!”
. We’ll find a way, no doubt about it.
Cyborgs??!!!! What are you crazy??!!! What you are suggesting is Madness!!! Have you even seen "The Terminator "? ***** that ***** .
“And I don’t think those that are improved first will think they’re superior. Aristocrats thought they were superior, and where are they now? Oh right, the “inferior” peasants got tired of them and killed them.”
Have you ever heard of: racism, nazism, communism, the khmer rouge, colonialism, *****ism, xenophobia, eugenics, etc.? How many people did these regims kill and how many people did the peasents kill?
We cant even FEED our species properly and 2 bil people are in poverty and you are telling me that very drastic genetic engineering will work. We can barely build a particle accelator and you’re telling me we can fine tweak the human genome. We dont even fully understand water.
“The only reason why we didn’t go with this approach from the beginning is because of religion ” some dude that never heard of ethics decided to write today. The main reason why we dont get all crazy is because we tend to think that humans should be EQUAL. Sure we have our differences. But if you can never say of your kid will be a genious. If you apply genetic engineering you will know he will be stupider ergo no chance to elevate himself from poverty. Luckly people that do this type of research are smarter than you and me.
i refuse to give up on the "Cherry 2000" concept
They used to have a very important and precious seed bank in my country.
They had a power failure, no one noticed it and all has been lost.
God how i love my country, so efficent! *sigh*
When i was a kid i always dreamt of a Spaceship Noah's Ark concept but my project was to travel with it not a stuck orbiting station. Yeah, i had a rich interior life as a kid. I was the silent type.
Lets play a guessing game. What country do you come from?
Well you’re not russian since the russians just sold the land that had a seed bank (and fields) on it. This is corruption, you talk about lack of efficiency.
Hmm not us or china or brazil since im guessing they’ve got more than one seed banks. Not canada, or northen countries since its already cold over there so they wouldnt spoil so fast. And it has to be a country that has some financial resources.
My guesses are from europe: spain- they dont work 2h after dinner, italy- they’ve got berlusconi, france- they just care about vacations and hunting minorities and fending off maghrebians. From asia: israel- im sure they fumble sometimes, iran- they focus to much on israel and they waste to much praising ahmadinedjad. From africa: south africa they seem like they would bother to make a seed bank but also dont seem very efficient. Look at bluesman he seems like he likes his plants and he spends time on a website making jokes.
Was i any good?
I think he's in Kansas – it's a grain silo – not a seed bank mordechai.
Arsnl your guessing game IS right on the bullseye!
Low efficiency has a very very long history in my fathers land, preceding Berlusconi's rising by millennia.
Thumbs up for you, Arsnl!
But don't get bluesman started over his country and its efficiency or you'll find yourself in a racial controversy before you can realize it!
i'm curious 2
ha ha ha ha!
There was a Swedish movie, rated X, sometime in the mid-60's, "I am curious Yellow".
Your answer just brought it to mind.
~yuck~
hehehe dun dun DUNNN the sequel – Now in IntenseDebate threads near you!
I knew it. Id like to thank all those people that made this possible: The big bang for bringing us all here tonight, the media for propagating stereotypes, she-wolves for putting italy on the map and ofcourse italians for never making anything reliable: except the mafia, pizza cuz that cant brake down and amazingly cold great gellatos.
Dont forget people: buy lancia. They will break down.
Maybe they'll break down (what car doesn't?) but with the right haircut, the right clothes a touch of sunlight that car will make you look cool even if you're stuck onto the curb.
And that's the whole point of owning an italian car!!!
Thanks Jeremy Clarkson for making people choose the cool over the good.
Or, we could just stop messing with nature and let what happens, happen.
Yeah, let's just die out. Good idea, Heather.
Good idea for a list, I enjoyed it, as long as I can see my surroundings Im quite happy – burrowing around underground like a mole is not for me thanks.
Although I tend to think that we are too stupid as a species to survive on the long term, there are some bright individuals such as Kim Stanley Robinson and his "Mars Trilogy" who wrote the best novels about terraforming I´ve ever read: Red Mars(1992), Green Mars (1993), and Blue Mars (1996).
I strongly recommend them.
Colonizing the ocean sounds EPIC! If the technology we'd have to use to colonize the ocean would let us go deeper than we ever could, it would be a lot easier to discover new species of aquatic animals. A few days ago, 40 new underwater species were discovered. Also, you could've just put the last 4 entries as one: "Space Settlement". Also, space settlement could help us find out whether aliens exist or not. FINALLY, I have a alternate way to ensure human survival: PREVENT IT BEFORE IT HAPPENS! Did that phrase make sense? i don't know, but what I mean is don't go crazy with the nukes, but go crazy with the recycling.
This list is upsetting to me. If we can't even survive on our own planet, the complex system finely tuned to provide just what we and other life need, there is absolutely no way we are surviving with any of these schemes. Humans have a very limited understanding of the wisdom behind the biosphere, and attempts to 'improve' it through technology are a large part of what's gotten humans into a situation where we are thinking about our ability to survive here in the future. If we destroy the resources to survive on Earth, there is no way we are surviving anywhere else.
i totally agree with you and the human race just has a tendency to destroy its self.
Maybe extinction is a wiser choice. Nature doesn't need us to keep going.
Extinction is a natural process – we are not immune – nay, we are bound exorable to it.
To be honest when the time comes and it will.No one will have enough time to do any of these things and the world is dumbing down so when it comes just accept it.
Wow, it’s really confusing to follow the comments here.
Arsnl, that was my point – we’ve gone through all of that stuff and we’re fine. Better than ever, even.
If we’ll build machines better than us, we’ll definitely want and need to perfect our own bodies. Genetic engineering and mastering biotech (I mean growing organs, cells, etc.) is the only way to go.
Of course, we’re bad at building reactors and technology, but hey, it’s only been about 150 years since electricity and we already have satellites, the Internet (knowledge for everyone), cars, submarines, nuclear reactors and we even mapped the human genome. I think 200-400 years is all we need to advance much, much further.
You’re right about people knowing that they’re going to be geniuses and stuff. But what will those geniuses do if the poor peasant refuses to work? Kill them all? If he’s smart, he’ll know that the only way is to compromise and that killing or enslaving those who you consider inferior will only lead to economical damage, lack or work force and decay of society (we need people to work and buy our stuff, that’s the main reason rich countries are helping developing nations).
The poor may not be able to buy the enhancements, but that won’t stop them from wanting to be better, be free.
Yes, they may not become leaders of countries, but even today, billions of people just work day jobs, recreate, curse the government, yet live relatively happily, either trying to become better or just lazing around.
we've already seen how number five would play out. just look back to the 1940's deep under the sea, one man chose the impossible, he chose rapture
Nice list! Hey pic #2 is that starcraft?
Interesting list; sad to say but I don't see humanity ever really escaping this rock. We simply don't have the resources for the job or the universal cohesion and intelligence required to get it done.
Incidentally, we're drifting closer and closer to catastrophe anyway. Just look at the Gulf oil spill or Iran's march towards acquiring nuclear weapons.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
His name was Robert Paulson.
Is this part of the series:” when i saw spice girls i knew humanity was doomed. When i saw nsync i knew humanity was doomed. When i saw twilight i knew humanity was doomed. When i saw lady gaga i knew humanity was doomed. When i saw justin beiber (or whats his name) i knew humanity was doomed…”
Woyzeck for as much stupidity as you see around, there is just as much (and a bit more) intelligence. We wont disapear cuz of a meme or a fashion.
And about leaving this rock: havent you heard that there are more astronauts than professional male ***** actors?
“Incidentally, we’re drifting closer and closer” stop watching the news or tea party rally speeches.
Ps: now tell me what you wanr. What you really really want? Cuz im gonna look for im curious yellow.
Whoa there, Nelly. I think you're reading a bit too much into that comment.
"And about leaving this rock: havent you heard that there are more astronauts than professional male ***** actors?"
So what? I'm sure there's no shortage of applicants for either job, but that doesn't create more scope for expansion in either industry.
""Incidentally, we're drifting closer and closer" stop watching the news or tea party rally speeches."
Please don't compare me to the teabaggers. Between the two of us, I'm the nutty conservative? If the teabaggers watched the news more often (Fox news doesn't count) the movement wouldn't exist.
"Ps: now tell me what you wanr. What you really really want? Cuz im gonna look for im curious yellow. "
I think I'll do the same. Woyzeck, tallyho!
What’s-a-matter bessy?
“. I think you’re reading a bit too much into that comment.” yes you are. Sometimes i post nonsense comments. (some people say i always post them)
Im not a conservative, dude. Much of my ideology towards religion is the result of two things: comming from an ex communist country where before you were told what and in who to believe. Never again. And second, french laicite. Religion/atheism/whatever you want is personal. So keep your ideas to yourself like i do.
For americans (like im guessing you are, im on to you) its all show and tell. And its horrible.
Now ill get to the main point. Did you find anything of interest related to Im curious Yellow ? The only swedish ’60s X rated movie i can remember of, is that movie in the X cinema from Taxi driver. When deniro takes cybil shepherd at their first date. Classic.
PS: i never intended to call you a conservative its just that that particular phrase reminded me of the news we always see on the media outlets.
Update to my last comment: the moment I started seeing babies and toddlers wearing those "DESTINED TO BE FAMOUS" t-shirts that their parents buy them was the moment I knew that humanity was doomed.