Top 10 Most Evil Men
Published on September 5, 2007 - 299 Comments
The most unfortunate aspect to researching this list was the realization that that I could do a top 100 most evil men and still have a multitude of people for a second list! The selection of this list is based not upon death tolls, but upon the general actions, and impact, or brutality of the people. From bad to worst, here are the top 10 evil men in history.
10. Attila The Hun
Attila was Khan of the Huns from 434 until his death in 453. He was leader of the Hunnic Empire which stretched from Germany to the Ural River and from the Danube River to the Baltic Sea. In much of Western Europe, he is remembered as the epitome of cruelty and rapacity. An unsuccessful campaign in Persia was followed in 441 by an invasion of the Eastern Roman Empire, the success of which emboldened Attila to invade the West. He passed unhindered through Austria and Germany, across the Rhine into Gaul, plundering and devastating all in his path with a ferocity unparalleled in the records of barbarian invasions and compelling those he overcame to augment his mighty army. Attila drowned in his own blood on his wedding night.
9. Maximilien Robespierre
Maximilien Robespierre was a leader of the French revolution and it was his arguments that caused the revolutionary government to murder the king without a trial. In addition, Robespierre was one of the main driving forces behind the reign of terror, a 10 month post-revolutionary period in which mass executions were carried out. The Terror took the lives of between 18,500 to 40,000 people, with 1,900 being killed in the last month. Among people who were condemned by the revolutionary tribunals, about 8 percent were aristocrats, 6 percent clergy, 14 percent middle class, and 70 percent were workers or peasants accused of hoarding, evading the draft, desertion, rebellion, and other purported crimes.
In an act of coincidental justice, Robespierre was guillotined without a trial in 1794.
8. Ruhollah Khomeini
Ayatollah Khomeini was the religious leader of Iran from 1979 to 1989. In that time he implemented Sharia Law (Islamic religious law) with the Islamic dress code enforced for both men and women by Islamic Revolutionary Guards and other Islamic groups. Opposition to the religious rule of the clergy or Islam in general was often met with harsh punishments. In a talk at the Fayzieah School in Qom, August 30, 1979, Khomeini said:
“Those who are trying to bring corruption and destruction to our country in the name of democracy will be oppressed. They are worse than Bani-Ghorizeh Jews, and they must be hanged. We will oppress them by God’s order and God’s call to prayer.”
In the 1988 massacre of Iranian prisoners, following the People’s Mujahedin of Iran operation Forough-e Javidan against the Islamic Republic, Khomeini issued an order to judicial officials to judge every Iranian political prisoner and kill those who would not repent anti-regime activities. Many say that thousands were swiftly put to death inside the prisons. The suppressed memoirs of Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri reportedly detail the execution of 30,000 political activists.
After eleven days in a hospital for an operation to stop internal bleeding, Khomeini died of cancer on Saturday, June 04, 1989, at the age of 86.
7. Idi Amin Dada
Idi Amin was an army officer and president of Uganda. He took power in a military coup in January 1971, deposing Milton Obote. His rule was characterized by human rights abuses, political repression, ethnic persecution, extra judicial killings and the expulsion of Indians from Uganda. The number of people killed as a result of his regime is unknown; estimates range from 80,000 to 500,000. On August 4, 1972, Amin issued a decree ordering the expulsion of the 60,000 Asians who were not Ugandan citizens (most of them held British passports). This was later amended to include all 80,000 Asians, with the exception of professionals, such as doctors, lawyers and teachers. Amin was eventually overthrown, but until his death, he held that Uganda needed him and he never expressed remorse for the abuses of his regime.
6. Leopold II of Belgium
Leopold II was King of Belgium from 1865-1909. With financial support from the government, Leopold created the Congo Free State, a private project undertaken to extract rubber and ivory in the Congo region of central Africa, which relied on forced labour and resulted in the deaths of approximately 3 million Congolese. The regime of the Congo Free State became one of the more infamous international scandals of the turn of the century. The area of land privately owned by the King was an area 76 times larger than Belgium, which he was free to rule as a personal domain through his private army, the Force Publique. Leopold’s rubber gatherers tortured, maimed and slaughtered until at the turn of the century, the conscience of the Western world forced Brussels to call a halt.
5. Pol Pot
Pol Pot was the leader of the Khmer Rouge and the Prime Minister of Cambodia from 1976 to 1979, having been de facto leader since mid-1975. During his time in power Pol Pot imposed an extreme version of agrarian communism where all city dwellers were relocated to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labour projects. The combined effect of slave labour, malnutrition, poor medical care and executions is estimated to have killed around 2 million Cambodians (approximately one third of the population). His regime achieved special notoriety for singling out all intellectuals and other “bourgeois enemies” for murder. The Khmer Rouge committed mass executions in sites known as the Killing Fields. The executed were buried in mass graves. In order to save ammunition, executions were often carried out using hammers, axe handles, spades or sharpened bamboo sticks.
4. Vlad Ţepeş
Vlad III of Romania (also known as Vlad the Impaler) was Prince of Wallachia three times between 1448 and 1476. Vlad is best known for the legends of the exceedingly cruel punishments he imposed during his reign and for serving as the primary inspiration for the vampire main character in Bram Stoker’s popular Dracula novel. In Romania he is viewed by many as a prince with a deep sense of justice. His method of torture was a horse attached to each of the victim’s legs as a sharpened stake was gradually forced into the body. The end of the stake was usually oiled, and care was taken that the stake not be too sharp; else the victim might die too rapidly from shock. Wikipedia has an article that describes, in great details, the methods of Vlad’s cruelty. The list of tortures he is alleged to have employed is extensive: nails in heads, cutting off of limbs, blinding, strangulation, burning, cutting off of noses and ears, mutilation of sexual organs (especially in the case of women), scalping, skinning, exposure to the elements or to animals, and boiling alive. There are claims that on some occasions ten thousand people were impaled in 1460 alone.
3. Ivan IV of Russia
Ivan IV of Russia, also know as Ivan the Terrible, was the Grand Duke of Muscovy from 1533 to 1547 and was the first ruler of Russia to assume the title of Tsar. In 1570, Ivan was under the belief that the elite of the city of Novgorod planned to defect to Poland, and led an army to stop them on January 2. Ivan’s soldiers built walls around the perimeter of the city in order to prevent the people of the city escaping. Between 500 and 1000 people were gathered every day by the troops, then tortured and killed in front of Ivan and his son. In 1581, Ivan beat his pregnant daughter-in-law for wearing immodest clothing, causing a miscarriage. His son, also named Ivan, upon learning of this, engaged in a heated argument with his father, which resulted in Ivan striking his son in the head with his pointed staff, causing his son’s (accidental) death.
2. Adolf Hitler
Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany in 1933, becoming “Führer” in 1934 until his suicide in 1945. By the end of the second world war, Hitler’s policies of territorial conquest and racial subjugation had brought death and destruction to tens of millions of people, including the genocide of some six million Jews in what is now known as the Holocaust. On 30 April 1945, after intense street-to-street combat, when Soviet troops were spotted within a block or two of the Reich Chancellory, Hitler committed suicide, shooting himself while simultaneously biting into a cyanide capsule.
1. Josef Stalin
Stalin was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’s Central Committee from 1922 until his death in 1953. Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered from a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government. Estimates of the number of deaths range from 2.5 million to 10 million. The famine was caused by direct political and administrative decisions. In addition to the famine, Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state. In total, estimates of the total number murdered under Stalins reign, range from 10 million to 60 million.
Bonus: Emperor Hirohito of Japan
Hirohito was the Emporer of Japan from 1926 to 1989. In 1937, Japanese troops committed the war crime that is now known as the Rape of Nanking (the then Capital of China, now known as Nanjing). The duration of the massacre is not clearly defined, although the violence lasted well into the next six weeks, until early February 1938. During the occupation of Nanjing, the Japanese army committed numerous atrocities, such as rape, looting, arson and the execution of prisoners of war and civilians. A large number of women and children were also killed, as rape and murder became more widespread. The death toll is generally considered to be between 150,000 and 300,000. The Wikipedia article contains images and descriptions of the atrocities committed.
Notable Omissions: Oliver Cromwell, Mao Tse-tung, Kim Il-sung, Caligula
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1. dalandzadgad - September 5th, 2007 at 5:57 am
the introduction is saddening part..
and where is Dick Cheney?
2. jfrater - September 5th, 2007 at 6:15 am
dalandzadgad: Wow! I didn’t expect the Bush Administration to be mentioned in the first comment (though I was expecting it eventually). You are quite right about the opening paragraph.
3. Loose Cannon - September 5th, 2007 at 6:28 am
Here they come; The Bush/Cheney/Rove-Haters! With their view of evil so skewed, they will hysterically compare legendary evil people who killed millions, like Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin to liberating millions from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Whatever you politically views might be, these are the most evil people who have ever walked the earth. They’re names are synonymous with condoned murder, torture, and rape of thousands of people. To even suggest Bush/Cheney/Rove are in the same league is a sure sign of mental illness.
Seek mental health treatment, Dalandzadgad, if you really believe Cheney should be on this list.
4. jfrater - September 5th, 2007 at 6:45 am
Hehe - I think I am going to sit back and watch as sparks fly
5. dalandzadgad - September 5th, 2007 at 6:54 am
“liberating millions”..? yes, that’s exactly how the people in Iraq and Afghanistan feel.
blunders aside, the intentions of a select few are truly evil. but no point arguing now, only skewed history will tell.
Dick Cheney makes Stalin look like Bambi.
6. Cat Skyfire - September 5th, 2007 at 7:09 am
Thank you for NOT including anyone in the Bush administration. However much some may dislike his politics, we have no real expectation that, next year, they will mystically change the Constitution, publicly shoot all who oppose them, and then declare themselves Dictator for Life. Even the most vehement anti-Bush people have every reason to expect Bush and company to step down when the term is up and the new president is sworn in.
Part of what makes a list of ‘evil people’ really good is that the scope and ferocity of what occurs can make your stomach turn. Frequently, they don’t care who they hurt, even their ‘own people’ (Robespierre, Stalin…). And the list of horrendous torments permitted, and encouraged, can sicken us without even lots of details. (And when the details are read, it just seems that much worse.)
A very good list!
7. jfrater - September 5th, 2007 at 7:28 am
Cat: Thanks
8. Loose Cannon - September 5th, 2007 at 7:39 am
JFRater, you are so evil!:)
dalandzadgad - “Dick Cheney makes Stalin look like Bambi.”
Like Bambi? If you really fear that you might be shipped off to a labor camp for your political views, then I suggest you either leave this country or seek mental health treatment.
It’s obvious you know nothing about Stalin, his purges, the forced labor camps in Siberia he implemented nor the 5 year plans that killed millions.
Seriously, seek mental health treatment. Dick Cheney does not make Stalin look like Bambi. To say so is ignorant and absurd.
9. Bill Coffin - September 5th, 2007 at 8:20 am
Excellent list. Hitler often gets the nod for being the ultimate incarnation of modern evil, but it’s often overlooked that Stalin was directly responsible for killing many more than Hitler. This is not to say that Hitler deserves any sympathy - the guy was a monster, and one can only hope that he and Stalin are forced to bunk together in the Inferno.
I’d also like to point out that insisting that Cheny be part of this list is incredibly shortsighted. Regardless of one’s feelings about the current Bush administration, it is important that we maintain a proper perspective on this. Saying that Cheney makes Stalin look like Bambi is hyperbole of the first order. I think that until somebody provokes a nuclear war, NOBODY will make Stalin look like Bambi.
10. jfrater - September 5th, 2007 at 8:32 am
Bill: well put!
11. Loose Cannon - September 5th, 2007 at 9:16 am
Bill, I think the fact that someone can actually post “Cheney makes Stalin look like Bambi” proves Cheney isn’t worse then Stalin.
But some people are so hysterical over the Bush Administration, you can’t convince them otherwise.
12. evan - September 5th, 2007 at 9:26 am
Political extremism by both parties is why neither is effective. “We the people…” has been changed to “We the fanatics… (are louder than you, and will do everything possible to silence you). Again, both sides…
13. jfrater - September 5th, 2007 at 9:27 am
evan: I guess it proves the old adage about everything in moderation.
14. gnome - September 5th, 2007 at 9:45 am
Absolutely ridiculous… You seem to have forgotten the chaps that dropped the A-bomb my friend. Oh, yes, I forgot. They were American.. Dear, dear..
15. Travis - September 5th, 2007 at 9:49 am
It would interesting to count up the number of people oppressed or killed under British, French, Dutch and American goverments while Stalin was in power.
16. tjgrs - September 5th, 2007 at 10:01 am
i think it should be noted that even though hirohito allowed and ordered such things in the 30’s he also brought about technological expansions and revolutions as well as economic prosperity for japan, later making it the global power it is today. he also always believed that, in world war 2, if america was attacked it would be a “sleeping giant” that would wreck havoc, as we did. he was an amazing man, and i wouldnt consider him absoutly evil, to think evil think Gen. Ulysses Grant who burned crops and homes of soooo many southern farms in the civil war and allowed people to die who were not armed. there are many americans who have ordered the murder of children and women, im no supporter of murder, though that doesnt excuse hirohito at all for his actions, though he was much younger at the time, and imressionable by the generals and his advisors. also vlad the impaler is considered a hero in romania, he helped spread christianity and unite romania as one, though he was one sick bastard. he, i believe, was actually evil but a great military leader, also, hitler was an amzing leader but the most messed up man ever, absolutly evil, same goes for stalin.
17. anomie - September 5th, 2007 at 10:04 am
to Loose Cannon; The cognitive dissonance going on in your post astounds me:
“Like Bambi? If you really fear that you might be shipped off to a labor camp for your political views, then I suggest you either leave this country or seek mental health treatment.
It’s obvious you know nothing about Stalin, his purges, the forced labor camps in Siberia he implemented nor the 5 year plans that killed millions.”
In the first paragraph you suggest another poster leave the country, and in the second you denounce Stalin for purging people from his country.
More chillingly, in the USSR many were forced into mental health treatment for criticizing the regime, because the workers state was “necessarily” in the interest of the worker, and so one would have to be crazy to criticize it. And as you said earlier: “To even suggest Bush/Cheney/Rove are in the same league is a sure sign of mental illness.”
But let me be clear, I agree with you that Bush/Cheney are nowhere near these guys. However, dalandzadgad is entitled to his opinion, and to suggest that he leave the country or enter an asylum because of his opinions is a clear symptom of totalitarianism.
18. evan - September 5th, 2007 at 10:09 am
While we’re at it lets add the bombing of Dresden, if you live in the south I’m sure Sherman, Grant, and Lincoln would be the top 3, if you lived in Gaul the top 10 would consist of all Romans, if you were the Red Sox you’d say the Yankees. Look, this is a subjective list created by Jfrater. While America certainly hasn’t be perfect (the interment of the Japanese citizens during WWII comes to mind) I don’t think one single leader has been “evil” enough to take the spot of one of those listed above.
19. Loose Cannon - September 5th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Anomie- Why would anyone want to live in a country where they fear being shipped to a prison work camp?
My suggestion was sincere: If you really live in a country where you fear you will be sent to a prison work camp, ala Stalin’s purges, then move!
If Cheney does make Stalin look like Bambi, as dalandzadgad has insists, then why would anyone choose to stay there?
Allow me to put it in another way: If I lived in the USSR during Stalin’s dictatorship and had the freedom to leave, I would certainly have done so. If I truly believed Cheney makes Stalin look like Bambi, then I would leave!
Also, I’m very sincere when I say that dalandzadgad should seek mental health treatment, but by no means am I advocating he/she be forced to submit to such treatment.
I would also suggest this treatment for anyone claiming to have had sex with aliens, having shook hands with Bigfoot, or had dinner with Elvis last night.
20. Joe - September 5th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Judas Iscariot should be up here. Personally stabbing God in the back is an act that’s hard to beat.
21. Midian - September 5th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
I do not agree that Judas should be on this list Joe, if it were Jesus’ destiny to die for our sins then Judas played a important role in that. New Studies and what some believe may be a new Testament show that Judas was Jesus’ most trusted friend and had to be convinced by Jesus to do what he did. Some believe that Judas did this knowing full well he’d burn for it, but in doing so saved humanity. I think its interesting. If this were true that would make Judas one of the Bibles biggest heroes.
A few people I think would have made great additions to the list,
Nero
Gilles de Rais (spelling)
Elizabeth Bathory (although it does say men)
Albert Fish (his numbers werent high but he was pure evil)
22. evan - September 5th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
clowns, just clowns in general. They’re pure evil and everyone hates them, i mean have you seen the movie IT?
23. Midian - September 5th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
the clown in It was a front for something much darker, but I agree clowns are creepy.
24. jfrater - September 5th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Midian: Bathory is in the notable omissions - Fish is on another list here, Gille de Rais is also on another list here - but I agree, he was evil (though he did repent in the end), and Nero is a well worthwhile addition that I forgot to add to the omissions.
25. jfrater - September 5th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
gnome: the a-bomb was definitely bad, but it put an end to far worse atrocities.
evan: I did a top ten phobias - fear of clowns is on it
Joe: Iscariot was definitely evil if you consider that Christ was God, but as many readers will debate that point, he is not included. Thank you for mentioning him though - a worthy addition.
26. common sense - September 5th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
All you liberal head cases need to take your head out of your own ass. Bush and Cheney meant well with invading iraq and afghanistan. While i know you supported the beating and rape of women done in both Iraq and Afghanistan by the hundreds of thousands, those women didint. Get a clue and quit wining like little girls. Its not America’s fault that the psychotic musltim fanatics cant get thru their jihadic sculls american forces will leave once they stop attacking.
27. thee hen - September 5th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
another for the list: General Shiro Ishii.
28. julian - September 5th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
where are J bush??
29. julian - September 5th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
thats is a vicious list…the eeveeer same list…
30. m - September 5th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
i can’t see saddam hossein,person who killed many people of iraq and iran,
i object to first name in list,ayatollah khomeini was an spiritual man,he was the man who led the evolution of Iran,
what is your criteria for this ranking?
if you want to know about him refer to iranian people who know him,not someones who introduce him an evil man just for this reason he opposed them,because their interest endangered after the revolution,if there is shortcomings after the revolution,we shouldn’t blame all on him,
it is absolutely unfair to call him an evil man.
check out this link for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
31. Vanessa - September 5th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
Just remember….these men could have been more evil than they were.
32. brennan - September 5th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
this is a collection of progressive leaders with real bareballsack drive.
33. passingby - September 5th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Hirohito? I think Tojo was more evil.
34. Fe - September 5th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
god
By whatever name you refer to the supreme deity, more evil has been done in the name of organized religion than by any government or individual in history.
35. Fe - September 5th, 2007 at 9:41 pm
sorry, forgot to add that according to the bible, the deity himself has killed thousands if not millions through fire, flood and generalized mayhem.
36. Justin - September 5th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
DUDE, mao has supposedly killed around 30 MILLION… how could he be an honorable mention?
and what about whoever is in charge of saudi arabia; they have “religous” police that go around and beat people not following the state religon, and millions have been mass murdered
37. jfrater - September 6th, 2007 at 1:23 am
m: I really don’t think Khomeni lead the evolution of Iran - I would say he lead it back to the middle ages and made it a country of repression. That is why he is here.
Justin: Mao is definitely evil, but I put the North Korean on the list because his legacy of Stalinized government continues to this day (though through his son).
38. tony3s - September 6th, 2007 at 1:41 am
Yeah, finally a Belgian in one of these lists.
Too bad it’s this list though.
39. jfrater - September 6th, 2007 at 1:50 am
tony3s: that is true indeed. There might be another if I do a top 10 greatest restaurants - Belgium rates very high with the Michelin guide I hear.
40. Loose Cannon - September 6th, 2007 at 6:02 am
FE: I’m not sure I get your point: God is evil because of the acts committed in his name?
In that case, I’d surely like to add Karl Marx and Frederick Ingles.
More cruelty and mass murder have been committed for their ideal of social equability then any figure in history. Between Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, and other socialist/communist movements leaders, at least 100 million deaths can be attributed, not to mention torture, forced famines, and labor camps.
The Spanish Inquisition, which lasted from 1476 to 1834, killed an estimated 3,000 to 5,000, while Pol Pot alone is said have killed 2 million, 1/3 of the population of Cambodia, in just 3 years, all in the name of social progress.
41. JT - September 6th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Why is Cromwell on your ‘honourable mentions’? That man helped liberalise and transform England, as well as win the Dutch War and allow more freedom of speech than ever before.
As for recommendations, Hitler is a fairly easy choice, but there were worse Nazis such as Goebbles, Goering and Mengele.
And also, General Shiro Ishii, the man in charge with the most horrific death camp in history: Unit 731
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
42. jfrater - September 6th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
JT: ever hear of the Siege of Drogheda or the Sack of Wexford? Outside of England he is considered a tyrant. Thanks for the other mentions - very appropriate. I did consider Mengele for the list but went with Hitler for the same reason I went with Stalin and Hirohito - while they did not directly commit the atrocities, they sanctioned or planned them.
43. jeremy - September 6th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
So Khomeini made the list. Where’s Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson? Khomeini is no more evil than these guys, he just plays for the enemy team therefore you consider him evil. Partisan religious politics at its worst
sad.
44. fs - September 6th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
I reckon Pablo Escobar was quite an evil fella’ too.
45. Loose Cannon - September 6th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
Jeremy - While Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are not my favorite people, I hardly consider their buffoonery even close to the tyrannical and murderous level of Khomeini.
Khomeini was far more evil then Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell. In early 1989, Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for the assassination of Salman Rushdie. This wasn’t just an opinion, that Rushdie should die, but rather a religious edict that “it is incumbent on every Muslim to employ everything he has got, his life and wealth, to send him to Hell.”
While this alone doesn’t make him among the most evil, it is certainly head and shoulders above Robertson or Falwell.
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47. Mark D. Combs - September 6th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Where is Kyser Soze????
48. Loose Cannon - September 6th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
Mark - Maybe he’s with Darth Vader and Lord Voldemort on the most fictitious evil people list!
Have our public schools so deteriorated that some people can tell between fictional characters and real people??
49. jfrater - September 6th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
Hehe - great comments - keep it up
50. PSGInfinity - September 9th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Loose Cannon,
Enthusiastic seconds on Karl Marx and Frederick Engels!
51. Loose_Cannon - September 9th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
PSGInfinity: Unfortunately, I think we’ve become a world where good intentions matter more then actual results.
People like Karl Marx, Che Guevara and VI Lenin are revered for their philosophy and intent, but the results of their misguided notions have brought about more agony and misery in the world then anyone else.
Perhaps not evil in themselves, they should be viewed by history as fools but instead are put on t-shirts and hailed as heroes. How sad.
52. someguy - September 9th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
tjgrs:
You should know that most of Southeast Asia (China, N&S Korea, Philippines, etc,) feels RAPED by Japan ruled by Hirohito. The part written here doesn’t do justice to the actual damage he did to the rest of the world. So what if he was a hero in Japan? Look at it from the bigger perspective. Go and say that to the rest of Asia that had to suffer and couldn’t develop as fast because their people were killed/raped. It’s all in the perspective.
53. Lucy - September 9th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
someguy: “It’s all in the perspective.”
Exactly. Which is why many Americans can’t see why Bush or Cheney should be on this list. Ask the rest of they world about the damage the Bush Administration has done.
Cat Skyfire: “However much some may dislike his politics, we have no real expectation that, next year, they will mystically change the Constitution, publicly shoot all who oppose them, and then declare themselves Dictator for Life.”
They have already dramatically changed the Constitution, nothing mystic about it. They have publicly humiliated and falsely imprisoned those who are in opposition in the name of the Patriot Act. While Bush hasn’t secured the title of Dictator for Life, money and power has guaranteed that he and his cohorts will continue to influence the decisions of the government.
54. Loose_Cannon - September 9th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Geez, another crazed leftist!
In 1999, Time Mag. ran a poll of who should be named ‘Person of the Century.’ I remember reading forums of people who weighed in with the most significant persons who effected all of our lives over the last century, for good and bad; Einstein, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, FDR, JFK, etc.
Invariably, some religious freak would submit Jesus. Not that He wasn’t influential over the centuries, but ‘Person of 20th Century’? They would almost always argue that ‘He Lives!’ and therefore qualifies.
C’mon! Get your head on straight. Even if you believe ‘Chimpy McHitlerburton’, connived a nation into overthrowing two of the world’s worst regime’s, do you really believe, in the complete annals of history, he or Cheney are the most evil or even comparable to people like Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin, who each murdered millions???
Have you been so indoctrinated by the leftist media in this nation and abroad that you’ve lost all ability to rationally and logically segment really evil people from, at most, the misguided?
Given a choice by the rest of the world, I would suspect the results would lead to a list very similar to the above. Most people are rational and not insanely obsessed, unlike the crazed left-wing nuts in this country.
55. Loose_Cannon - September 9th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Lucy: “They have publicly humiliated and falsely imprisoned those who are in opposition in the name of the Patriot Act.”
Fine, provide the name and sourced article of those who’ve been imprisoned and ‘publicly humiliated’ just for opposing the Patriot Act.
Like it or not, the Patriot Act was passed by both the House and the Senate, and legally signed into law by the President. And while I don’t personally agree with all it’s provisions, circumventing it is illegal.
Simply opposing it isn’t.
Opposing Marijuana laws isn’t illegal, but manufacturing, selling or use of it is, in most areas. See the difference?
56. Bonnie_ - September 9th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
I’m glad to see Stalin made the top slot, though I agree that Marx, the rich snot, should bear some philisophical blame for the hundreds of millions of deaths caused by communism.
One could wish that those who quail and shiver under the hideous shadow of the “Patriot Act” would somehow sideslip through time and enter, say, Communist Moscow in the 1950’s, or the Killing Fields of Cambodia, or the stadiums of Rome where Christians were burnt alive in oiled torches.
Perhaps you could add “American Public Schools” to a list of crimes against humanity. No one who actually learned history would ever mention our government and leaders in the same breath as these monsters.
57. Most EvilOne - September 9th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Every law that was made in account of September eleventh was only made for one purpose. The suppression and control of the American people. Do you know that if you leave this country and get ride of your citizenship to it, THAT YOU CAN BE PULLED BACK WITHIN FIVE YEARS OF YOUR LEAVE!!!! LOL!!, YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE United States, ROFL. When this countries economy crashes and everyone wants to expatriate they will all be stuck**!! INCLUDING ME and I love it.
I do not know why, but I love chaos and fighting.
People crack me up though! They drive home in your V8 trucks and step into your 3 bedroom, insulated, plumbed, electric able, internet and television able houses THAT HAVE FOOD STOCKED NECK HIGH AND FRESH WATER and flick on the TV and SUCK IT IN. Its like you do not realize what you really have. ALSO its this same view that is the same reason why the democrats have gained numbers. Its like democrats are the exact people that take for granted what they have to the max. More government??? We the people are too poor??? HEY let the rich guy be rich if he is going to put gas in my gas tank cheaper than the other rich guy. We split monopolies and no one gets to big so the competition is good. Every free civilization comes to a point where the rich are far to rich and the poor are far too poor and eventually it leads to the crashing of the that society and eventually the entire civilization usually gets attacked in its weakness. Now we know that fighting about who’s too rich is bad. So? why do we do it then???
HA, HA, HA, IT makes me sick when people argue about politics. You know why??? BECAUSE ITS INVIGORATING. YOU CANT DO SHAT about the bad things happening in the world, so just get over it and accept that the end is near, unless we want to agree ON SOMETHING FOR ONCE!! MUTUAL agreement COULD SAVE THE WORLD. It doesn’t matter what anyone does or says anymore, there will always be ignorant people in this world up until they see meet their maker. You do not own your house, you do not own your car, you do not own yourself, you are a slave to the United States of America and the big times that run it. As it says in the bible this day WILL come and it either has or is very close. I may not be the best at ENglish, but I do know that we are in Iraq for oil, The m16 overheats, porn will destroy you, trust no one, and nothing I can say in my entire lifetime could change even a single individuals opinion without love. Only through love can you trust another truly, but even then people can falter, and that is why you have to research and be skeptical of something even if it sounds so… so! sweet. If you disagree with what I say you are STUPID, SHUT UP!! lol. laters
58. hal - September 9th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Fidel Castro and Ernesto Che Guevara are missing from the list too
59. someguy - September 9th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Lucy:
I do not agree with you at all. Please don’t connect my comment about Hirohito with your Bush-bashing lame excuse for politics. You want to know something Democrats hate to learn or accept? When the Rwandan genocide was taking place in 1994, the US clearly had knowledge of the incident but Clinton chose to “ignore” it. 8000+ people died per day for 100 days. Oh, and he refused to call it genocide. Type “clinton rwanda” on google and you’ll get his “apology” for not having taken action. Anything politicians do or did (on either side) will always be grilled by the other side. Just don’t be one of those stupid people who say “Bush is evil” without any argument or evidence.
60. someguy - September 9th, 2007 at 8:09 pm
Lucy:
8000 people dying per day for 100 days is 800,000 people dead.
61. Loose_Cannon - September 9th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
I’m not really surprised Lucy hasn’t taken up my challenge. She really didn’t have the courage to address me directly, anyway.
Over the course of recorded human history there have been some truly evil men. I really believe the men on this list represent the absolute worst and if I lived during their time, in their country, under their rule, I would fear for my families lives every single moment.
There are people in this country who believe that aliens are monitoring their buttocks from millions of light-years away. I pity them. They are obviously deranged and need serious mental health treatment. They are wrecked with a mental illness that they can’t get away from and fed into it with senseless lies they read on the web and in the media. I hope they somehow come to their senses and see how delusional they really are.
People who really believe Bush and Cheney are among the most evil people in all of history, such as Lucy and dalandzadgad, are just as mentally ill as those poor lost souls who believe aliens are monitoring their buttocks. I hope they get well.
62. Loose_Cannon - September 9th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
Someguy: I visited the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in DC not to long ago, and it had an exhibit about the genocide in Rwanda. It is, without a doubt, the most senseless slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people that could have been prevented in modern times.
63. jfrater - September 9th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
Loose_Cannon - excellent point about tee-shirts. Just two days ago a guy jogged past here wearing a shirt with the letter KGB on the front with a Soviet symbol - how could someone be so ignorant as to ignore the millions butchered by the Soviet government and the terror caused by the KGB? I am sure someone would not get far down the street if it were a big swastika and the SS logo - how is it that so many people are ignorant of the Soviet holocaust?
64. jfrater - September 9th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
hal: Castro is on the worst 10 living dictators, and Che is on the famous corpses - so at least they both get a mention.
65. Loose_Cannon - September 9th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Bonnie wrote: One could wish that those who quail and shiver under the hideous shadow of the “Patriot Act” would somehow sideslip through time and enter, say, Communist Moscow in the 1950’s, or the Killing Fields of Cambodia, or the stadiums of Rome where Christians were burnt alive in oiled torches.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said the biggest crime against humanity was the complete lack of teaching in our public schools about the atrocities committed by some truly evil men.
But I wanted to address the quote above: These were horrific acts of unbridled evil that, unfortunately, many of these people can not digest intellectually. They can not wrap their small minds around the idea of coordinated and planned mass execution on a very grand scale. They are just not imaginative and since there’s no stock footage or pictures of the acts being committed, they lack the mental aptitudes to fathom such brutal atrocities.
It would be like asking your dog what was the greatest magic act of all history. He would most likely answer, if he could, the way his food magically appears to come from the bag when you pour it into his bowl. Sure, you could explain Houdini, Copperfield, or Penn & Teller, but he would simply not understand their worth.
66. Loose_Cannon - September 9th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
jfrater wrote: how is it that so many people are ignorant of the Soviet holocaust?
My not so humble opinion is that so many people on the intellectual left favored the Soviet Union’s cause and simply saw the ‘Show Trials’, murders and famine as a necessary part to provide for the ‘common good’. When they were proved wrong and the Soviet Union collapsed they held on to their misguided beliefs and focused their energy on Nazism and Slavery.
Every school child can tell who Harriet Tubman, Fredrick Douglas or Hitler was. Very few could tell you about Mao, Lenin, or Stalin. And yet the greatest atrocities to mankind, in sheer numbers alone, were the misguided attempts to bring about ‘equality’.
Many of these same people talk about how important ‘peace’ is. They’ll tell you to ‘Give People a Chance’ and ‘Pray for World Peace’. None that I’ve encountered ever mention ‘Justice’. Peace without justice is meaningless. Many of the most brutal acts in history were committed in peacetime. 50 million people were starved to death, forced to relocate to labor camps or simply murdered during peace time.
67. jfrater - September 9th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
Loose_Cannon: I think you are probably right. I certainly hope that History in a few more years reflects that.
68. Susan - September 11th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
There is no evidence that Hirohito was more than a figurehead who was trapped by his position. Unfair!
69. RON - September 12th, 2007 at 3:41 am
KISSANGER ONE OF THE MOST EVIL JEWS EVER BORN
70. jfrater - September 12th, 2007 at 4:25 am
Ron: Your spelling and yelling isn’t doing much for your credibility
71. Loose Cannon - September 12th, 2007 at 5:37 am
Ron:KISSANGER ONE OF THE MOST EVIL JEWS EVER BORN
What’s a Kissanger? Does it have anything to do with Henry Kissinger?
Also, what’s with the antisemitism around here? Did this list get posted at Stormfront or DU somehow?
72. jfrater - September 12th, 2007 at 5:50 am
Loose Cannon: hehe - I just have no idea where it is coming from. As long as it remains debate I don’t mind people having their say, but if things heat up I will delete comments or block them.
73. tom - September 13th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Bonnie, Marx lived in povery most of his life. He wrote a critique of 19th century capitalism-which was accurate at the time for Europe. He said very little of what a future communist society should look like-maybe a couple of pages at best.
74. Brian Moo - September 16th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Pol Pot was a poser. He probably read the back of the French version and said “Tivo la Revolucion!”
75. soha - September 17th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
have you try to know khomeini without publicity of Journals!
Please Try It and then talk about him
76. jfrater - September 17th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
soha: Do you not consider it evil that he had all the political prisoners retried and executed if they did not agree with him? I sure do.
77. soha - September 18th, 2007 at 2:14 am
no! it’s a bouncer, he disagreed with those but the first of each Revolution exsit riot. he was a great man.do you know about iran and iranian conditions before 1979? do you know about Khomeni’s life?
please refer this link:
http://www.irib.ir/Ouriran/ima.....l/en/1.htm
78. jfrater - September 18th, 2007 at 2:30 am
soha: there are people who think Oliver Cromwell was a great man, and those who think he was evil. There are those who think Queen Elizabeth I of England was a great woman and those who think she was evil. There is no value in trying to convince people one way or the other. I consider Khomeni to be an evil man so I included him on my list. If you wrote the list, you wouldn’t. We don’t have to agree with each other - we can still all enjoy the site
79. soha - September 18th, 2007 at 2:43 am
Ok but that’s better we judge about things with their properties, conditions and cultures!
with best
80. Gopal - September 19th, 2007 at 2:49 am
My family’s from India, and an awful lot of people put Winston Churchill up on that list, right up there with Hitler and Stalin (if not quite that high). Churchill despised the Indian people openly and his malicious attitudes came out in a myriad of ways. He even deliberately withheld rice and other grains from a starving Bengal in 1942, despite a clear recognition of feasibility by his ministers– killed 4 million people in the process. Churchill was also one of the main motivators of the 1950’s coup that toppled the democratically-elected Mossadekh in Iran, one of the main reasons we later got the evil Khomeini in the first place!
I don’t view him quite so negatively. But I hardly see him as a hero, either. He was a murderous racist in his own right, and a failure in others.
I agree with your choice of Stalin at #1, and Pol Pot as well– an evil, ruinous, utterly incompetent bastard if there ever was one. But I’m sorry, WTF is Hirohito doing up there? He was just a figurehead in Japan.
81. jfrater - September 19th, 2007 at 5:04 am
Gopal: that is very interesting - thanks for mentioning that - I had no idea. As far as Hirohito is concerned, there is a school of thought that says that he was directing from behind the scenes.
82. Reality Hurts - September 19th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
1.2 Million Iraqi’s killed by Bush Regime, why isn’t Bush/Cheney on the list?
83. Reality Hurts - September 19th, 2007 at 10:09 pm
When those responsible for the American war in Iraq face a public reckoning for their colossal crimes, the weekend of September 15-16, 2007 will be an important piece of evidence against them. On Friday, September 14 there were brief press reports of a scientific survey by the British polling organization ORB, which resulted in an estimate of 1.2 million violent deaths in Iraq since the US invasion.
This staggering figure demonstrates two political facts: 1) the American war in Iraq has produced a humanitarian catastrophe of historic proportions, with a death total already higher than that in Rwanda in 1994; 2) those arguing against a US withdrawal on the grounds that this would lead to civil war, even genocide, are deliberately concealing the fact that such a bloodbath is already taking place, with the US military in control.
The reaction to the ORB report in the US political and media establishment was virtual silence. After scattered newspaper reports Friday, there was no coverage on the Friday evening television newscasts or on the cable television news stations. There was no comment from the Bush White House, the Pentagon, or the State Department, and not a single Republican or Democratic presidential candidate or congressional leader made an issue of it. On the Sunday morning talk shows on all four broadcast networks the subject was not raised.
This was not because those involved were unaware of the study, which received wide circulation on the Internet and was prominently reported in the British daily press. Nor was there any serious challenge to the validity of the study’s findings.
84. Loose_Cannon - September 20th, 2007 at 6:26 am
RH: Why isn’t Bush/Cheney on the list? … On Friday, September 14 there were brief press reports of a scientific survey by the British polling organization ORB, which resulted in an estimate of 1.2 million violent deaths in Iraq since the US invasion.
Because only ‘Fruit Loops’ would compare ‘Bushy McHitler’ with Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pott and this study is exactly why you and your friends are so nuts.
This survey you spin, conducted by the Opinion Research Business, asked 1499 Iraqi’s if they lost anyone in their family since the invasion. Here are the results from their survey:
None 78%
One 16%
Two 5%
Three 1%
Four or more 0.002%
So, in other words, a vast majority said ‘None’. But from the very small minority that answered ‘one or more’, ORB concluded 1.2 million Iraqi’s had died.
Now, here’s the spin part of behalf of RH: When asked how they died, ORD found “48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance.”
6%, or more then 73,000, resulted in death from an accident, and 20%, or 244,000 are the result of car bombings.
So, RH and his loony brigade are not only blaming Bush and Cheney for actual deaths on the battlefield, they want to blame them for everyday accidents that may or may not have happen due to the invasion, but also the deaths cause by Al Quada and the insurgents.
AND, since ORB takes into account EVERY household in Iraq, the crazy left is pushing this to include even the insurgents and Al Quida memebers themselves!!
This would be akin to blaming LBJ for not only the deaths of Americans in Vietnam, but also the South Vietnamese killed by the Viet Cong, the Viet Cong whom were killed on purpose or by accident, AND the regular North Vietnamese Army troops who were killed.
Incidentally, ORB conducted another survey recently, which concluded “that despite the horrendous personal security problems only 26% of the country preferred life under the previous regime of Saddam Hussein, with almost half (49%) preferring life under the current political system.”
This begs the question that if life is so bad for regular Iraqi’s and so many have died at the hands of McBushy Hilburler and Darth Cheney according to RH, why do almost a majority of them prefer life under our stooge puppet then under Saddam??
You can’t really blame RH. S/He is just a pawn in the socialist left who more then likely didn’t even read the entire article and spouts this rhetoric on demand and by reflex, no doubt. But if RH had bothered to even read past the headline, S/he would have seen that this survey results spin they vomit here, lacks the integrity and honesty, which very common among the leftists in America and abroad today.
For references:
http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsr.....?NewsId=78
http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsr.....?NewsId=67
85. Simon Templar - September 20th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Hey, you forgot George Bush jr., responsible for the death of almost half a million Iraqis and thousands of US soldiers, as well as Osama bin Laden for providing him the excuse to do so. The brutally calm and calculated way they both still play out their respective parts warrants a mention on this list.
86. Loose_Cannon - September 20th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Simon Templar: Hey, you forgot George Bush jr.,
Who’s George Bush jr??
…responsible for the death of almost half a million Iraqis and thousands of US soldiers
Oh, and of course, the insurgents and Al Quida had nothing to do with those deaths.
Why not be original like RH and blame McBushy HilBurtler for all the accidents that happen, as well?
87. jfrater - September 20th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Simon Templar: the thing I have to be careful of in these lists, is to not become blinded by current events - for example if I were to do a top 10 Ends of Humanity, I might list global warming as the most likely event to do that - but it is because everyone is talking about it at the moment. Chances are, in 10 years, people will have forgotten global warming and will have gone on to some new fad promoted by the press. So I think we need to let history play out and then make our decisions. Bush has only been president for a short time and people are so emotional about him that we haven’t had time to look back and make a qualified statement one way or the other. When we do, if he is shown to be evil, I will modify this list.
88. Simon Templar - September 21st, 2007 at 11:40 am
Well said jfrater, I didn’t mean to criticize the list, it was more an attempt at psuedo-humor. But now that some of us are nit-picking (not you, jfrater), almost all the guys on this list are still universally despised whereas outside the US, you’ll encounter millions who revere Khomeini. I’ve nothing against Bush & Co., I’m sure they’re adorable and harmless as bunny rabits, I just hope they don’t one day land on my doorstep to liberate my family. And yes, I agree, he doesn’t belong on this list, yet.
As a side note, you also missed some pretty nasty guys from Serbia.
89. jfrater - September 21st, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Simon: thank you for being the first person to honestly realise the position I am in over Bush - I try to keep him out of the topics, not because I favor him - I am not even American, but because we need time to see what happens.
90. Loose_Cannon - September 21st, 2007 at 7:01 pm
I’ve nothing against Bush & Co., I’m sure they’re adorable and harmless as bunny rabits, I just hope they don’t one day land on my doorstep to liberate my family.
No worries about that, Simon. You obviously have the means to own a computer and the freedom to express your opinion, no matter how insane they might seem. Billions of other people in the world don’t have that privilege, yet.
I’m certain millions of those people would gladly be liberated, by Bush or anyone else.
91. soha - September 21st, 2007 at 11:44 pm
where is the place of Sharon?
Is he the top of top?
if you say no please visit this:
http://hosting.menanet.net/~ha.....abra82.htm
92. Simon Templar - September 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 am
hey Loose_Cannon, computers can now be had almost everywhere in the world for as low as a $100, and access to one is, in most thirld world countries, is not a problem. You don’t need a PC to express your opinion, just thinking about an injustice being wrong can also suffice. All the billions waiting for Bush to liberate them are being tormented by the very guys supported by the US government, Pakistan being a major example here. My opinions might seem insane but yours, Sir, are bigoted, and I’d rather be insane than a bigot. I’ve taken the liberty to assume that you are an American citizen. If an American citizen on American soil is forced to drink her own bottled breast milk to prove that its not Nitro Glycerin and decent people are forced to give up their liberties every day in the name of homeland security, just imagine what Bush & Co.’s chief ally is doing in Pakistan. Edmund Burke said, All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Do you consider yourself a good man?
93. Loose_Cannon - September 22nd, 2007 at 11:33 pm
Simon: My opinions might seem insane but yours, Sir, are bigoted, and I’d rather be insane than a bigot.
Bigoted?
I consider myself bigoted against the idea Bigfoot exists, that Elvis is still alive and that aliens are monitoring individuals anal cavities from millions of light years away.
I am very closed to others opinions on those matters and wouldn’t change them at anytime, unless sound, scientific evidence were directly presented to me.
I would sincerely hope most people in the world are bigoted to some opinions.
Simon, look around you carefully. We have the complete freedom to express whatever crazed ideas we wish to convey in this country. The one characteristic each of the of the most evil individuals on this list have, the one they all share, the single thread any rational person would admit is that they would never tolerate dissent.
They’ve killed, tortured, and had individuals imprisoned just for dissent.
Each of them, also, have been directly responsible for a minimum of thousands upon thousands of deaths. If we were to hold individuals as evil for the direct result of death attributed to our enemies, such as the insurgent suicide bombers, the first president I would nominate would be LBJ. Think of the Gulf of Tonkin, the 57,000 American GI’s, and the actions of a few individuals that resulted in mass murder charges against our troops, not to mention the attacks by Vietvong and regular NVA troops.
Loss of liberty is evil? Think FDR and the 100,000 Asian Americans who were forced to relocate to camps for the remainder of WWII.
OR maybe Lincoln, who was the first president, I believe, to ever suspend Habeas Corpus.
Evil is, or at least should be, reserved for those persons whom history has decided are, or were, intent on mass murder.
Gassing 6 million Jews, intentionally causing famine that results in 10 millions+ deaths, having thousands impaled on wooden sticks while you dine and murdering individuals who look ‘intellectual’ are evil acts, and so we can call the persons who committed these atrocities evil.
Liberating millions of people from two of the most repressive regime’s in modern history wasn’t an evil act.
And anyone who claims it is, is either insane or ignorant of history. I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt in your intellect but I could be wrong on that matter.
94. Loose_Cannon - September 23rd, 2007 at 12:06 am
Simon: hey Loose_Cannon, computers can now be had almost everywhere in the world for as low as a $100, and access to one is, in most thirld world countries, is not a problem.
Simon, in a majority of third world nations, most of the population makes then then $1,000 US a year. And furthermore, according to an article by The Economist, a very well respected magazine, “Developing countries have three quarters of the world’s population and use just 18% of its electricity. Four-fifths of their inhabitants live in rural areas with no electricity, so consumption per person is low: around 500 kilowatt hours kWl,) each year…
In other words, a majority of people living in third world nations don’t even have electricity, never mind the luxury of a PC. Maybe they’re hand cranking their Dell??
You’re wrong, Simon. Having electricity is difficult enough. Access to a PC is a luxury, which you have, and most of the world doesn’t.
Are you really this naive?
Source: http://findarticles.com/p/arti....._n18322038
95. Simon Templar - September 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 am
Hey Loose_Cannon, since you like to quote so much,
“Simon, look around you carefully. We have the complete freedom to express whatever crazed ideas we wish to convey in this country. The one characteristic each of the of the most evil individuals on this list have, the one they all share, the single thread any rational person would admit is that they would never tolerate dissent.
They’ve killed, tortured, and had individuals imprisoned just for dissent.
Each of them, also, have been directly responsible for a minimum of thousands upon thousands of deaths.”
I rest my case.
“Simon, in a majority of third world nations, most of the population makes then then $1,000 US a year. And furthermore, according to an article by The Economist, a very well respected magazine, “Developing countries have three quarters of the world’s population and use just 18% of its electricity. Four-fifths of their inhabitants live in rural areas with no electricity, so consumption per person is low: around 500 kilowatt hours kWl,) each year…”
I do get your drift, its just that its so….. drifting.
Au revoir my bigot friend, I’ve gotta go discuss this further with LBJ and Napoleon in the asylum cafeteria.
96. Arik - October 1st, 2007 at 11:55 am
A small critique: Though Attila was a nasty fellow, I would say he’s more a victim of his times. There were many barbaric tribes and nations in that era, which is why it led to the Dark Ages (the end of widespread literacy). I would replace him with Nero: responsible for torturing and killing millions. Also believed (by most scholars) to be the Antichrist which the Apostle John wrote of in his exile.
And a bit of praise: This list is a service to the world; reminding everyone how much society has progressed, and encouraging us to progress further. Thank you.
97. jfrater - October 1st, 2007 at 11:58 am
Arik: Thanks for your comment and praise
It is greatly appreciated.
98. stu - October 3rd, 2007 at 12:07 pm
you surely can’t be serious! in the context of his time khomeini was probably one of the heroes of the twentieth century. Robespierre? he challenged the brutal indifference of a typically corrupt monarchy!!! and why isn’t churchill on your list? where are the bush-wits?? roosevolt?
99. jfrater - October 3rd, 2007 at 12:17 pm
stu: maybe if you hate women. Robespierre murdered people without a trial - how can you support that? I am guessing you must be an extreme left wing supporter?
100. benny - October 4th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
i do believe that your list may need a little modification…the most evil man in the history of the world would have to hilary clinton. thank you
101. asdfriend - October 4th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
i put this on the women list so i will put it on thison this list. i guess that this should be under the most evil men and women in the world (the just recently turned bad, they were AWESOME the rest of the time) would have to be the people at bungie… how could they do that to me, i mean after 6 years of playing mastercheif and now hes just floating off in space (or maybe landing on “marathon”) and i have to have an ending like that, i mean they went off and crushed millions of peoples dreams (unless they make halo4) that is the most evil anyone could do
102. chresus jist - October 7th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
Perhaps the number 1 position should have been given to the god or gods that are often cited as the authority for taking the lives of others.
103. icarus - October 7th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
i think your judgement is a bit naive…accomodation has to made for time, culture, circumstance, and most importantly which side wrote the history which serves as current day sources..
As you mentioned Romanians consider Vlad quite a hero. Attila was very maligned by the oh so pious romans, especially when they kept losing to him
And Hirohito had no more power in Japan than Ahmedinejad has in Iran…
Its surprising how nobody considers the..uhmm 2nd nuclear bomb dropped on a living human city?
Why the 2nd? After only 3 days? No real negotiation…no warning…oh wait..i think they threw leaflets telling the people to leave the city…oh yes…surely they’re heroes then…
104. ali - October 8th, 2007 at 12:49 am
and where is bush
105. soha - October 8th, 2007 at 1:02 am
I ask again : where is the Israel Leaders?
are there in the Evil?
The Palestinian Child is under their high boots!
106. jfrater - October 8th, 2007 at 2:12 am
ali: In the Whitehouse I believe
107. bob - October 9th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
what about Dick (the bastard) Cheney?
108. bob - October 9th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Yes Dick Cheney should be here too! A totally dispicable human being - not worthy of our contempt. How come evil bastards like him don’t die from heart attacks - actually I’m amazed he actually has a heart at all! A total low life who has almost destroyed America’s already dubious reputation and thinks only of himself and his rich mates - Dick, Belzebub has a devil set aside for you!
109. PleaseThink - October 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
This is why I love teh internets. Screw facts and logic when you can resort to Ad Hominem attacks against people you disagree with. But seriously…
The argument that Che should be on the list but Bush shouldn’t is blatantly biased. Both people, according to their followers, acted out of a desire to help people. Both people ended up causing a lot of deaths in the process. But since Bush is American, putting him on the list is a no-no, but Che and Marx(see note), yeah they should go up there. I’m not the biggest Che fan myself, but that’s a little ridiculous.
Actually, this whole concept of arguing whether Bush, Hitler, Stalin, Che, or your little sister isn’t going to get anywhere. The problem is that Hitler isn’t famous just because he was evil. He is famous because he was evil AND had was powerful enough to act on that evil in major ways. Bush doesn’t even have the power to kill people at Stailin/Hitler’s scale even if he wanted to. Would he have out-eviled Stalin/Hitler if he had that much power? Who knows, but I bet there are tons of people who would be just as evil or worse as the people on that list but simply didn’t have power. The list is more like the “top 10 most powerful people in the world who are also evil”, which is a good list, but doesn’t fit with these arguments. Since Bush, despite having a TON of power, can’t really get away with starting a Holocaust, it is pretty much impossible to make any relevant comparisons either way.
PS: Marx was a philosopher by the way, he didn’t kill anybody, and he specifically said Communism would NOT work in an feudal agrarian society but required an existing capitalist democracy to advance from. Of course, the idiots in Russia and China, and pretty much every other Communist country, decided to ignore this important piece of advice from the very person who’s philosophy they were following and instead put all their power into the hands of a few people (which never works out well). By the way, during the time when Marx lived, the working class were a LOT worse of then they are today, often at the point of borderline slavery. It makes sense that somebody would look for a way to fix that and he can’t realistically be expected to magically foresee that his views would be corrupted by a bunch of idiots and power-hungry maniacs and then turn into the bloodbath that they did. At least Jesus is supposed to have some sort of divine power.
PSS: Vlad was one seriously screwed up dude. It doesn’t matter who considers him a hero.
110. Area51 - October 14th, 2007 at 7:25 am
Has anyone mentioned Idi Amin, former dictator of Uganda? If he isn’t deserving of being on the list of most evil guys, he should at least be up there on the list of “Not very fun guys”.
111. magnolia_snooze - October 23rd, 2007 at 4:04 pm
how is stalin eviler than hitler? hmm… its either i slept through history classes or i was daydreaming or both… either one of those or im high! again!
112. jfrater - October 24th, 2007 at 2:04 am
magnolia_snooze: Stalin’s actions lead to between 10 and 60 million deaths. Hitler’s lead to 3-6 million. Both are utterly evil but I had to rank them so Stalin came first.
113. kitkat - November 2nd, 2007 at 12:30 am
okay. i just sat here for over an hour, reading all the comments so i wouldn’t be accused of not reading everything when i commented. first of all, i agree with please think’s comment:
“Bush doesn’t even have the power to kill people at Stailin/Hitler’s scale even if he wanted to. Would he have out-eviled Stalin/Hitler if he had that much power? Who knows, but I bet there are tons of people who would be just as evil or worse as the people on that list but simply didn’t have power. The list is more like the “top 10 most powerful people in the world who are also evil”, which is a good list, but doesn’t fit with these arguments.”
i like the list, and agree with most of the people you chose, jfrater.
loose canon, i think that in your comments you have been rude to some other commenters. yes, we’re all allowed to express what we want to, but just because someone disagrees with you or what you think is the standard of sanity doesn’t mean they are insane.
i agree with simon templar when he said you are bigoted. you use sarcasm to make a statement when it isn’t necessary. you call people crazy with no reason to back up your ‘diagnosis’ other than their disagreement with you and your ideals. i find that upsetting and dissettling.
again, i’ll look at what please think said:
“Bush doesn’t even have the power to kill people at Stailin/Hitler’s scale even if he wanted to. Would he have out-eviled Stalin/Hitler if he had that much power?”
we don’t know the answer to that question, because he, thankfully, doesn’t have that power. i implore you to, please, think about what you say and what you write. don’t be sarcastic if it’s uncalled for. this could be a friendly debate, or you could turn it into something much more ugly just by the wrong choice of words or tone. and tone is something that is sometimes hard to get across online, so word choice becomes even more important.~
114. kitkat - November 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 am
also, to gopal (though he hasn’t come back since his first post), i didn’t know that about churchill. that’s interesting, and i’ll be sure to remember it.~
115. Loose_Cannon - November 2nd, 2007 at 6:11 am
kitkat i think that in your comments you have been rude to some other commenters. yes, we’re all allowed to express what we want to, but just because someone disagrees with you or what you think is the standard of sanity doesn’t mean they are insane.
Kitkat, let me explain my point of view to you as clear as I can: Bush HAS the authority to designate anyone he wants as a enemy combatant. He could, if he wanted to, ship anyone he wanted to Gitmo. This is backed by Supreme Court decisions going back to the US Civil War. The idea that we don’t know how evil Bush/Cheney/Rove would be if given the power is wrong, they already have it and it would be fully constitutional.
FDR sent over 100,000 Japanese-Americans to interment camps during WWII, but you don’t see him on the list, now do you?
The fact that hundreds of thousands of critics of Bush and co. are walking the streets and even making movies that disagree with Bush is proof that he isn’t the most evil.
The fact that we can have this conversation, in a public-cyber place, fully accessible by anyone anywhere, is also proof that Bush/Rove/Cheney aren’t the most evil.
Anyone who continues along this argument, that Bush/Cheney/Rove are the most ‘EVIL’, must be a nut with very serious mental problems. OR, they’re incredibly ignorant.
You can express any opinion you like: Bigfoot stole your supper, Aliens monitor your anus from the moon, or that Cheney is Bambi next to Stalin. That doesn’t make your argument sane or rational.
You’re ‘right’ to express your opinion doesn’t negate my ‘right’ to express mine, Kitkat.
116. kitkat - November 2nd, 2007 at 10:08 am
loose canon: i wasn’t saying that you can’t voice your opinion, and i wasn’t saying that i think bush should be on the list. to be honest, i don’t think he should. jfrater made a point in the posts that “I think we need to let history play out and then make our decisions. Bush has only been president for a short time and people are so emotional about him that we haven’t had time to look back and make a qualified statement one way or the other.” i think this is a good point. we don’t know all the effects bush’s administration will have, so we need to wait.
“FDR sent over 100,000 Japanese-Americans to interment camps during WWII, but you don’t see him on the list, now do you?”
fdr signed the documnets because most of the country was afraid after the attack on pearl harbor. after 9-11, many were, and still are, afraid of muslims and middle-eastern cultures. bush can’t do what fdr did, because it has been realised as wrong. congress wouldn’t send the bill through to bush, and bush can’t just declare it.
“Bush HAS the authority to designate anyone he wants as a enemy combatant. He could, if he wanted to, ship anyone he wanted to Gitmo.”
…well, i can see this as plausible. i don’t think we’ll be going anywhere too far from iraq, but he did start a war by himself. going into iraq was a ‘police’ movement. and he waited for an opportunity to turn it into war. is it even considered a war against the country yet? as far as i know, it’s a war against the idea of terrorism.
i don’t mean to offend, and i’m sorry if i did. i wasn’t saying you can’t call people crazy, but you should consider what you say and the feelings of those that you’re saying it to.~
117. Hobolad - November 2nd, 2007 at 10:17 am
“a war against the country yet? as far as i know, it’s a war against the idea of terrorism.”
In name- seems like it’s just creating more animosity and more would be terrorists- but it’s making Bush and friends even richer, so that’s some comfort at least…
I used to think the war was a regrettable but necessary thing, but… no. The people we’re killing are just the normal people, like all wars I guess. Anyone seen that bit in Fahrenheit 9/11 (It’s taken from another film) where they’re interviewing some soldier, and that bit with the Iraqi guy holding up most of a baby, next to a big pile of bodies from us bombing them?
I really don’t see how we’re helping. And us Brits are hypocritical as hell- saying the war was to get rid of Saddam then having that visit from that Saudi king? We’re the friends of these evil people up to the point were our leaders stop getting money from them.
EDIT: For the record, I don’t reckon Bush should be in the top ten (yet…in the future, who knows?)
118. evan - November 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 am
War is definitely needed at times, against a definable enemy like Germany in WW2. The problem with “the war on terrorism”, or any ideologically war like the “war on drugs”, is there is no identifiable defined enemy, so then you can’t win it.
Instead we should be working on redefining our foreign policy to reduce tensions with would be terrorists and listen to their complaints. I don’t mean appeasement, but our brash presence abroad only causes more anger and swells their ranks. They attack us for our foreign policy, not because they hate our freedom like some claim. Although to be fair, there are some radical terrorists that its simply a religious thing that won’t be complete until all people are their religion.
119. Hobolad - November 2nd, 2007 at 10:48 am
Yeah, the radicals who actively try to kill innocents deserve all they get.
WW2, yeah something needed to be done- but war? Like in Iraq, it’s not the “bad guys” who take the brunt of the war, it’s the people. Y’know, WW2 was still just some blokes given guns and told to fight against another load of blokes given guns and told to fight.
Maybe it was necessary, I can’t pretend to have all the answers (I say there should be an alternative yet I can’t think of a viable alternative, so I dunno), but it was still pretty bad.
120. evan - November 2nd, 2007 at 12:28 pm
well id say that was the simplest explaination ive ever seen for the summation of WW2
121. Loose_Cannon - November 3rd, 2007 at 7:39 pm
KitKat- bush can’t do what fdr did, because it has been realised as wrong. congress wouldn’t send the bill through to bush, and bush can’t just declare it.
Yea, actually he could.
If you would look up your history, you would see FDR signed Executive Order Number 9066. EO’s don’t require Congressional approval. FDR sent over 100,000 Japanese Americans to interment camps and Bush could do the exact same thing if he wanted to, wrong or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.....internment
i don’t think we’ll be going anywhere too far from iraq, but he did start a war by himself.
You mean other then the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq Congressional approval he received? Or do you mean other then the 21 OTHER nations that took part?
Yeah, other then that he was ALL alone!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....ce_in_Iraq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.....ainst_Iraq
i don’t mean to offend, and i’m sorry if i did. i wasn’t saying you can’t call people crazy, but you should consider what you say and the feelings of those that you’re saying it to.~
You didn’t ‘offend’ me, but before you make such sweeping statements about history, as you’ve made here, you should educate yourself a bit.
And let me be clear: I’m not name calling. I sincerely think that if anyone can accuse Bush/Rove/Cheney of being one of the most ‘EVIL’ men alive, if not *THE MOST*, they should seek mental treatment. They obviously are suffering from some hysterical delusion and should seek help.
122. Loose_Cannon - November 3rd, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Hobolad - but war? Like in Iraq, it’s not the “bad guys” who take the brunt of the war, it’s the people. Y’know, WW2 was still just some blokes given guns and told to fight against another load of blokes given guns and told to fight.
Maybe we should attempt the Neville Chamberlain school of diplomacy. You know, give in, give in, and give in, until you have nothing left.
I always find it fascinating when the people who are against war seem to leave out the term ‘JUSTICE’ from their arguments. I wonder why?
123. Loose_Cannon - November 3rd, 2007 at 7:57 pm
Hobolad - but it’s making Bush and friends even richer, so that’s some comfort at least…
Specifically, how is it making Bush richer, as you claim? You do realize that the Executive Branch members are required, by law, to put their investments into ‘Blind Trusts’ and are also required to file notice with the US Office of Government Ethics if they receive any special treatment or other reward for policy?
124. kitkat - November 4th, 2007 at 9:05 pm
loose cannon: i would like to say that you make all your references to wikipedia. wikipedia is not the most reliable source.
i did look up some informations about sending the japanese-americans to internment camps. on friday i found a source that, to my understanding, said congress passed the law on to fdr, who signed it. i may have misunderstood, but the source i found tonight: http://www.allamericanpatriots.....tion_order - says that fdr signed it first, and that congress put it into law over a month later. if congress had voted it down, it wouldn’t have happened. but people were pressuring the government to pass the law. there were economic factors and nativist motives involved. fdr did not and could not have decided to pass that law on his own.
when i said bush started the war all on his own, i meant he STARTED it. if he hadn’t ordered troops in on a ‘police operation’ or whatever for things that weren’t there, we wouldn’t be doing what we’re doing. this is a war for oil. not to liberate the people, not to stop horrible people. to secure our oil supply. i’m not saying that saddam hussein wasn’t a horrible person, he was. but that wasn’t bush’s motivation. it was oil. if we had just gone into afgahnastan to find osama bin ladin, who is the initiator of the attack on new york, i really wouldn’t care as much. but i haven’t heard a word about him or afgahnastan in a very long time.
and maybe that’s my fault for not having cable or sattelite. for not reading news articles online. for not spending time looking for a reason to believe bush. maybe it’s my fault for having parents who lean strongly against bush. i think we all develop our political views based on our parents’. not to say everyone takes the same side as their parents, but certainly they had an influence on their decisions. but this is all besides the point.
and in light of your denial of name calling, i would like to ask if you have a degree in psychology. you don’t know these people, you only know one small aspect of them: that they dislike bush and impulsively made a comment about him being a terrible person. people do that sort of thing all the time. when someone does something to make you angry, do you say you hate them? i think a lot of teenagers have said or thought that about their parents, and nearly everyone has said or thought it about SOMEONE. not everyone means it, and not everyone thinks about what they are saying or doing. particualarly online, where next to no one knows who they are.
it’s perfectly fine for you to think that they’re crazy, plenty of people think that about other people as well, but is it kind or polite to say so to them? is it fair to suggest they get mental help based on one or two comments about a very touchy political subject?~
125. Mathilda - November 4th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
Loose_Cannon You said “Anyone who continues along this argument, that Bush/Cheney/Rove are the most ‘EVIL’, must be a nut with very serious mental problems. OR, they’re incredibly ignorant.” You are the only poster on this topic who has brought up Karl Rove whatsoever, and you have mentioned him six times now. I will leave the other posters to consider the implications of this as I must decline to watch more straw men being set up and destroyed.
126. Loose_Cannon - November 4th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Mathilda - You are the only poster on this topic who has brought up Karl Rove whatsoever.
Huh? Many people on the left use this group interchangeably. Cheney is this, Bush is that, Rove is another, blah, blah. I was simply stringing them together to keep the conversation straight.
This is just - well - weak. This your best reply?
127. Mathilda - November 4th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
Loose_Cannon - Actually, yes. As I have just pointed out the fact that you are apparently arguing with “many people on the left” who are not posting on this topic I really do not have anything else to say to you. I’ll stick with responding to people who are replying to comments posted here, thank you.
128. Loose_Cannon - November 4th, 2007 at 10:46 pm
kitkat -i may have misunderstood, but the source i found tonight - http://www.allamericanpatriots.....tion_order - says that fdr signed it first, and that congress put it into law over a month later.
Let me see if I can’t explain this a little better: Congress passes a bill, the President signs it, it becomes law. Not the other way around. Executive Orders are a means for the President to execute his authority as Commander-in-Chief and the Executive Branch. You’re only source for this is a web blog that lists an out-of-date book from almost 20 years ago.
As Commander of the Armed Services of America, the President could execute an EO without Congressional approval and in fact Presidents do this all the time.
You’re wrong. Bush could, as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Services, and as *THE* Executive Branch, do as FDR once did, and round up people he deemed a threat to national security.
i think a lot of teenagers have said or thought that about their parents, and nearly everyone has said or thought it about SOMEONE. not everyone means it, and not everyone thinks about what they are saying or doing. particualarly online, where next to no one knows who they are.
That’s exactly my point. It’s emo, pussy BS. It’s *EXACTLY* what you would expect from a spoiled teenager who didn’t get their way. It’s not logical or rational, it’s emotional and hysterical.
And I would say the same exact thing if someone came here accusing Clinton, or Carter, or Reagan, or Nixon as the *MOST EVIL* men ever. This is not a political debate, per se. It’s a ‘CHILDISH, EMOTIONAL, HYSTERICAL’ debate.
This is why political discourse in this country has deteriorate to such a degree. While one side is trying to have a rational, thoughtful, meaningful debate, the other side is yelling *NAZI*, *DEVIL*, or *HITLER*.
and in light of your denial of name calling, i would like to ask if you have a degree in psychology.
Why would I need a psychology degree to point out the obvious? If someone mentions that their butt is being monitored by aliens on Mars or that the CIA is reading their thoughts from Langley, it’s pretty obvious that they are crazy. Same for the people who would call Bush one of the *MOST EVIL*. Or Clinton, or Reagan, or their parents.
129. Loose_Cannon - November 4th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
kitkat - is it fair to suggest they get mental help based on one or two comments about a very touchy political subject?
Is it fair? Absolutely! And it’s factual.
I said it in several posts here; if anyone truly believes that BUSH or CHENEY or Clinton or Reagan (I’ll leave Rove out, since it seems to raise Mathilda’s blood pressure a couple of points when I mention him) are the most evil, then I am sincere in stating they should seek mental treatment.
I don’t believe this be a political issue, but simply a matter of mental health. If you’re a grown, mature, educated individual and you can look at this list and say “Nay, Bush is much more evil then these guys”, then yeah, you should seek mental treatment cause you’re nuts.
130. Loose_Cannon - November 4th, 2007 at 11:41 pm
kitkat - this is a war for oil. not to liberate the people, not to stop horrible people. to secure our oil supply…blah, blah, blah
You kinda trailed off there, Kitkat. You are under the impression that I care what you think about the war in Iraq. Let me assure you I don’t.
This conversation is about your misstatement. You distinctly said “(H)e did start a war by himself.”
You are factually wrong. He had the support of Congress and the support of the American public. Furthermore, our country wasn’t the only country. There were 21 other nations that took part.
You decided to restate your opinion from a ‘he did it’ to a ‘he started it’, then trail off into ‘war for oil’, yada, yada, yada.
This thread is about *THE MOST EVIL MEN*. If you’re looking for emotional support on your view of the war I would suggest you try the DU forums. You’ll find plenty of people who will agree with you and provide you the emotional support you are desperately seeking.
131. kitkat - November 5th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
loose cannon:
“if anyone truly believes that BUSH or CHENEY or Clinton or Reagan (I’ll leave Rove out, since it seems to raise Mathilda’s blood pressure a couple of points when I mention him)…”
“This is not a political debate, per se. It’s a ‘CHILDISH, EMOTIONAL, HYSTERICAL’ debate.”
you are trying to pick a fight with people, plain and simple. the remark about not mentioning rove was completely unnecessary. you are being just as childish as some of the other people by commenting like that. there’s no reason and no sense to it except to make other’s angry or upset. you are being just as much a whiney teenager by calling people crazy and stupid.
and bush did initiate the war. bush put us there, waiting for a reason to make it such. he secured support for when it would happen, but it wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t sent us in.~
132. BUSH-IS-MY-MOM! - November 6th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
To Loose_Cannon:
I DID have sex with Aliens! (it’s wierd what they do to you!)
I DID shake Bigfoot’s hand!
And I DID eat dinner with Elvis last night! (at appleby’s!)
And Im telling YOU that Bush is a naughty boy, Cheney is and even naughtier boy, and they should be on this list.
Yes, Hitler may have been involved with the Holocaust. But, Bush has his own Holocaust. The Holocaust of the Ozone Layer. He is pulling a genocide on the enviroment by not joining other countries on the Kyoto Protocal.
Global Warming is upon us!
I DONT WANNA GO TO THE MENTAL INSTITUTION MOMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
133. CHAINSAW - November 7th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Why create a list that rates the “most evil of all time”? In its creation does it not say that we will honor your evil by continued reference? Why not make a list of the nicest people in history? Not one comes to mind does it? Thats because we are raised and taught to remember the darker aspects of our society. Face it folks we’re all evil we just like to point out and list the worst amoung us so we don’t feel so bad about ourselves. Now feel free to continue your little political battle. Seriously who gives a shit whos in office gas prices will still stand at $3.00 tomorrow.
134. jfrater - November 7th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
CHAINSAW: my personal reasons for doing so are that they make for more controversial and interesting lists for the readers on the site - I guess it is similar to the way press never reports nice news. Having said that, I have done lists of great inventions and the wonders of the world - not all lists here are evil