Top 10 Great Movies That Were Never Finished
Published on July 29, 2008 - 97 Comments
The film industry has a long reputation for unfinished screenplays or projects abandoned because of expensive production costs and a hundred other reasons. These are the top 10 films that actually started filming but were never finished or released for one reason or another.
Uncle Tom’s Fairy Tales was to be the first film starring Richard Pryor. The movie was about a white man who goes on trial for having raped a black woman. At the time of the making of this film, Richard Pryor’s wife complained that he was paying more attention to the film than he was to her. The film was eventually canceled and his wife shredded the negative. No copies of the film were known to have survived, however in 2005, scenes from the film appeared in a retrospective while Pryor was being honored by the Directors Guild of America. There is still a law suite pending to this day between Pryor’s ex wife and his daughter over this film and who should own it.
Russ Meyer was set to direct this film, which was to be the first featuring the Sex Pistols. The movie was intended as a pseudo-punk version of A Hard Day’s Night. Just a day and a half worth of shooting were completed as the filming stopped when the executives at 20th Century Fox read the script. The Producers and decision-makers were so shocked that they pulled all funding. The footage that exists shows Sting (the leader of a pop group called The Blow-Waves) assaulting drummer Paul Cook as he stops to ask for directions.
This film was to be a groundbreaking experimental film directed by Alfred Hitchcock. If it had been completed it would probably have been Hitchcock’s darkest film. Even Hitchcock himself worried that some scenes might be too frightening for the audience. Kaleidoscope was the story of a bodybuilder who was a serial rapist and killer. David Hemmings and Michael Caine had been suggested as leads in the film. In the script there are several murders, including an attempt on the life of a policewoman. Hitchcock planned to experiment with innovative filming techniques such as hand-held filming and natural light. He also wanted to tell the entire story from the perspective of the killer. Unfortunately MCA studios stopped the project because they thought that the protagonist was too repulsive. All that remains now is an hour-long tape of silent footage. Some of these ideas would be recycled into his 1972 movie “Frenzy”.
This film was to be the first entirely 3D computer animated film. The film was about a villainous giant ant-like creature. The original meaning of the word “robot” in many Slavic languages inspired the name. The story was set somewhere in the future when a last World War had led to an advanced computer network, which now controlled the world. The main problem for this film was the fact that technology could not cope with a full feature-length CGI movie. The film was worked on from 1978 until 1986. In the end it became clear the movie would never be finished so the project was abandoned. However it is said that all the technology and software that was created for this project made the effort worthwhile.
Dus was to be a Bollywood action film directed by Mukul S.Anand. The storyline was about terrorism and shows an anti-terrorist intelligence officer who is sent on a mission to find an Afghan terrorist. Shooting of the film began in Utah, which was to have depicted scenes of Kashmir - the major setting of the film. 40% of the shooting had been completed before director Anand suddenly died. The film was abandoned never to be completed or released. The music soundtrack of the film was released while the film was still in production.
Terry Gilliam directed this feature film. The shooting stopped within a week due to an injury to star Jean Rochefort who was playing Quixote. The movie was set to have been one of the biggest European films ever made, with a budget of $32 million. The entire movie would have been filmed in Spain and throughout Europe. The character Toby was to be played by Johnny Depp, and Vanessa Paradis would have been his love interest. When Rochefort, (an able horseman) attempted to ride it was obvious that he was in pain and required assistance dismounting and walking. It was discovered after he flew to his doctor in Paris that he had a double herniated disc. When it became apparent that he would not be able to return, Gilliam decided to scrap the project. There may be some plans to restart the production in 2009 with hopes that Michael Palin will play Quixote alongside Johnny Depp.
The Day the Clown Cried was a film directed by, and starring, Jerry Lewis. The movie is about a depressed, formerly great German circus clown named Helmut Dorque during the beginning of the Holocaust. Dorque is eventually fired from the circus and is arrested at a bar by the Gestapo for mocking the Fuhrer. Dorque is then imprisoned in a Nazi camp for political prisoners. Lewis reportedly lost forty pounds for the concentration camp scenes. Unfortunately the producers were not fronted with sufficient finances, causing Lewis to began paying for the production costs with his own money. Lewis reportedly has the only known videocassette copy of the film, which he keeps locked away in his office. The location of the original film negative is unknown. Lewis refuses to discuss the film at all in interviews to this day.
Dark Blood is about a character named Boy (played by River Phoenix). Boy is a hermit who lives on a nuclear testing site waiting for the end of the world while making dolls that he believe have magical powers. He meets a couple in the Arizona desert due to their car breaking down and he holds them prisoners because he desires the woman and wants to create a better world with her. Dark Blood was never completed due to the death of River Phoenix in 1993. The crew was 11 days shy of completing production. Because the film had to be abandoned, Phoenix’s mother was sued due to loss of expenses. The unfinished film is owned entirely by George Sluizer who wrote the film. He has hinted that he might use it as footage in a documentary about River’s life.
Anyone who is a film buff would know that an Orson Welles film would have to be somewhere on this list. This Welles film was to star John Huston, Peter Bogdanovich and Dennis Hopper. Some believe that because this film was filled with so much sex and violence it was an attempt to revive Welles career. Apparently 96% of the film was complete but financial problems prevented it from being finished. Showtime cable network had guaranteed the money to complete the film, but a lawsuit by Welles’ daughter caused Showtime to withdraw its funding. In April 2007 Bogdanovich said in a press report that a deal was made to complete the movie. His goal was to release the film in 2008 but Bogdanovich recently said there is still over a year’s worth of work to be done.
Something’s Got to Give is probably the most famous unfinished film in Hollywood history. This was to be a light comedy and was a remake of the movie My Favorite Wife. The film starred Marilyn Monroe, Dean Martin, Cyd Charisse and was directed by George Cukor. Monroe had recently undergone gallbladder surgery and had dropped over 25 pounds reaching the lowest weight of her adult life. On the first day of production, Monroe called the producer to let him know that she had a severe sinus infection, and would not be on the set that morning. Similar delays continued on an almost daily basis and the film quickly turned into a costly disaster. Because of the delays Monroe was fired and the film cancelled and shelved. Marilyn Monroe spiraled further into decline and died later that year in 1962. In the video clip above you can see the first 10 minutes of the film.
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1. christopherborne - July 30th, 2008 at 3:29 am
It’s interesting to note that Orson Welles also started a production of a film adaptation of Don Quixote that failed.
2. thewilliamg - July 30th, 2008 at 3:33 am
Cool guns man never heard of any of these but awesome list dudes!
3. Tempyra - July 30th, 2008 at 3:35 am
Wow, number 7 really surprises me. I had no idea that sort of technology existed then!
Cool list Blogball
4. jfrater - July 30th, 2008 at 3:37 am
what I want is someone to start filming Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand!
5. brettc - July 30th, 2008 at 3:47 am
How about Josef von Sternberg’s unfinished 1937 “I, Claudius” starring Charles Laughton and Merle Oberon?
There’s a great TV documentary “The epic that never was” I remember seeing years and years ago.
Or, perhaps even better, there’s Colin McKenzie’s completely forgotten as well as unfinished “Salome” from the 1930s. I think Peter Jackson did a docco on this a few years back. He even found some of the sets deep in New Zealand’s tropical jungles.
6. stevil - July 30th, 2008 at 3:47 am
I new about The day the laughter Died but was not aware of any of the other films on this list. This description fails to inform the reader that his job was to keep kids “entertained” and happy as they were being led to the gas chambers to be killed. Pretty dark stuff for a comedy.
7. Winglock - July 30th, 2008 at 3:49 am
It’s ironic to think that Kaleidoscope would probably pale into insignificance when compared with the horror/gore fests that are getting released today.
8. Tempyra - July 30th, 2008 at 3:52 am
Someone started making “I, Claudius” and didn’t finish it? How could they?! I love those books
I know nothing (not surprising haha) of this Colin McKenzie filming “Salome” in NZ. Going to try looking that up. Btw, NZ only has sub-tropical rainforests…
9. Tempyra - July 30th, 2008 at 3:53 am
No wonder why –> http://www.waikato.ac.nz/film/.....main.shtml
10. brettc - July 30th, 2008 at 4:00 am
Tempyra: I thought mentioning carnivorous Keas would be too much of a giveaway.
And even American readers would notice sheep references (thankyou Conchords).
11. Tempyra - July 30th, 2008 at 4:03 am
brettc: Lol… are you a fellow Kiwi?
12. Darren M - July 30th, 2008 at 4:18 am
I find it shocking and very disappointing that the studio would pull the plug on ANY Hitchcock project after he’d made so many great films. Financing Psycho and other masterpieces would’ve been leaps of faith dependent on knowing he deliver a quality finished product, which of course Alfred Hitchcock certainly was good at.
Also, “The Works” sounds awesome. I can’t believe someone’d have the vision of a full-CGI film that far back. If Pixar is looking for a next project, especially after the very intelligent and well-made Wall-e, this’d be a good one.
13. Diogenes - July 30th, 2008 at 4:29 am
I heard that the Orson Wells version of Don Quixote was actually “finished” some odd number of years ago by legendary director Jess Franco aka Jesus Franco aka Jess Franck aka Preston Quaid aka Cole Polly, Rosa Maria Almirall, Adolf M Frank, Toni Falt,Pablo Villa, Roland Marceignac, David Kuhne, ect. ect. ect.
I love all that Wells “private projects” footage on the FAKE dvd.
You gotta wonder if some of these are better- having never been completed…just like the never made dream films of others. naw. These sound awesome.
Eventually we might have a billionaire eccentric (and movie buff) buy the rights and available footage and complete with CGI or the next best thing.
gotta also wonder if Richard Pryor’s films would have been better if he finished Uncle Tom’s Fairy Tales. He had a lotta bad luck. Or maybe we would have ended up with a least a few great ones instead of mostly duds.
14. ohrmets - July 30th, 2008 at 5:29 am
I’m surprised any studio would have nixed a Hitchcock project, regardless of the content. Considering the universal acclaim of so many of his previous works, it’s hard to imagine they were unwilling go out on a limb and be a little daring. The director’s reputation alone still would have sold plenty of seats.
Glad to see “The Other Side of the Wind” on here! Welles was notorious for his many half-completed and/or studio-corrupted films. This one just might see the light of day! Although it can’t be 100% Welles’ vision, Bogdanovich is definitely the right man to see the film through to completion.
15. Randall - July 30th, 2008 at 6:07 am
Now THIS is a list! New, fresh, well-researched, telling us things we didn’t know. I’m a film buff and studied Hitchcock in college and I didn’t even KNOW about “Kaleidoscope.” Brilliant. Nice work, Blogball.
The only thing about this list I’d take issue with is the Jerry Lewis film. It’s well-rumored that the problem with “The Day the Clown Cried” is that it was godawful, and that Lewis, typically, was tyrannically obsessed with making this piece of shit (I mean, come on–just read the synopsis of it, and you can see the potential for awfulness in it… it’d be like an earnest Hogan’s Heroes) but that everyone who saw it recognized it for the piece of offensive garbage that it was. I mentioned the Medved’s book “The Golden Turkey Awards” on another list just the other day–coincidentally, this film also was in that book, described in no uncertain terms as a disaster.
An unfinished film it was, yes… and a debacle. But “great”? No way.
16. jfrater - July 30th, 2008 at 6:27 am
I am glad that this list is to everyone’s satisfaction - I DILIGENTLY edited this time
17. DiscHuker - July 30th, 2008 at 6:30 am
great work blogball. this sort of list is why i started coming to LV daily.
18. rearden - July 30th, 2008 at 6:56 am
#4: jfrater: bite your tongue!
19. warningdontreadthis - July 30th, 2008 at 6:58 am
I remember a Graham Chapman film that they didnt finish. Jakes tale or something. Now that was a shame.
20. SlickWilly - July 30th, 2008 at 7:11 am
If we are to believe the Rotten.com library about Jerry Lewis’s disaster The Day the Clown Cried, the film ends with him, dressed as a clown, leading a line of children singing and dancing into the gas chambers at Auschwitz. Now *that’s* fucked up.
Great list, blogball. Keep up the good work.
21. Randall - July 30th, 2008 at 7:20 am
Slick:
That confirms what the Medveds wrote years ago in The Turkey Awards…
So no doubt that thing was one *major* stinker of a film.
But then I always hated Jerry Lewis anyway.
22. Ghidoran - July 30th, 2008 at 7:24 am
I though Dus was released….I remember my mom was watching it on TV…..maybe it was another one?
23. brettc - July 30th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Kiwi? Perish the thought! Gippsland born and bred, a lifelong follower of the True Faith: Carna Cats!
24. kowzilla - July 30th, 2008 at 7:41 am
Very cool list.
I knew about The Day the Clown Cried and The Man Who Killed Don Quixote but I hadn’t heard of any of the others.
25. kiwiboi - July 30th, 2008 at 7:41 am
Blogball - I echo the sentiments of others : great list! Thanks.
26. Csimmons - July 30th, 2008 at 7:59 am
man, I would have loved to see Kaleidoscope, too bad it was never finished. great list.
27. Tempyra - July 30th, 2008 at 8:13 am
brettc: Haha… Whenever I hear the word Gippsland, I think of yoghurt (*mmmm*). And I have no idea who or what the Carna Cats are, but I think I’d rather stay a heathen
Does anyone have a link for more info about ‘The Works’? I’d like to read more about that project.
28. toolnut - July 30th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Now this is the kind of list I like to see on LV. This is all really interesting yet sad at the same time. Some of these movies would have been great to see come to fruition. Keep up the good work!
29. dangorironhide - July 30th, 2008 at 8:37 am
I love the song ‘Who Killed Bambi’, we’ve got it as a vinyl single at home, but I didn’t realise it was a film as well. Would have been a pretty good one as well I think.
30. kittym - July 30th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Blogball, excellent list! This made my day, what a well-written, researched list! Good job!
31. diogenes - July 30th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Gosh. That youtube scene of Dark Blood looks like it coulda been out of Malik’s “Badlands”. Just that tid bit shows what a great talent Pheonix had in the art of body language. watching with the volume down and the (danish?)subtitles makes it unworldly.
32. champura - July 30th, 2008 at 8:50 am
I’m surprised you don’t mention that the shocking “Who Killed Bambi?” script was written by Roger Ebert.
33. Avi - July 30th, 2008 at 8:50 am
i never want atlas shrugged to ever be filmed. i have zero faith in hollywood ever doing it right. i am sure angelina jolie or some nonsense like that is proof that they are using its name alone as something to make money with and have no idea what its actually about.
34. Eve - July 30th, 2008 at 8:55 am
…The film was about a villainous giant ant-like creature. The original meaning of the word “robot” in many Slavic languages inspired the name…
Am I missing something here? The world “robot” in the four Slavic languages that I speak,has exactly the same meaning as the world “robot” in English.Yes, the very word itself was firstly used by a Slavic person in a play from the 1920s,so perhaps this was the initial idea?
I have enjoyed the list-good work.
35. segue - July 30th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Naturally, there are several films I would love to see finished.
1 - Kaleidoscope, first and foremost, but sadly that’s not possible.
2 - Something’s Got to Give. Marilyn never look more beautiful than she did in those few minutes of film. She had also developed into an actor, not based non those few minutes, but on her last few movies, instead of just the sexy, breathless, little-girl-lost persona she had perfected previously.
When I lived in L.A. I would, rarely, visit the tiny cemetery in which she, Natalie Wood, Buddy Rich, and a host of the most famous are buried or entombed.
3 - The Man Who Killed Don Quixote. This movie has two things going for it that would make it a *must see* for me, sight unseen: Terry Gilliam as director, and Johnny Depp.
Even in the small clip attached, Gilliam’s brilliance shone. I sincerely hope this film can find the required backers and proceed to a finished production.
As for the rest? Some things are best left unfinished, or unseen.
No.
I’m not in favor of censorship, just a modicum of good taste…or, baring that, at least originality.
36. big ski - July 30th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Very impressive list. I have not heard of any of these films except #1.I would love to see the Jerry Lewis movie just for the historical content.
37. Rey - July 30th, 2008 at 9:06 am
“Lost in La Mancha” is a great documentary, about the failed Gilliam project.
38. Sharki - July 30th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Chirs Gore wrote a great book about this topic.
“The 50 Greatest Films Never Made”
http://www.amazon.com/50-Great.....amp;sr=1-3
It’s a little dated as some of the films mentioned in the book have been made; “Destino”, “The Betty Page Story”, “Aliens vs. Predator” (but not the version mentioned in the book) and “A Sound Like Thunder”. But it’s still worth a read.
Although never released, “The Day the Clown Cried” has been seen by a handfull of lucky, or unlucky people.
Harry Shearer watched it with Lewis and described the experience as “if you flew down to Tijuana and suddenly saw a painting on black velvet of Auschwitz. You’d just think ‘My God, wait a minute! It’s not funny, and it’s not good, and somebody’s trying too hard in the wrong direction to convey this strongly-held feeling.”
39. jadester - July 30th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Man there could have been a sex pistols movie?
I would have loved that.
I can’t believe River Phoenix’s production company sued his mother for him dying! What the hell is wrong with people?!!?
40. SocialButterfly - July 30th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Excellent list blogball. Very well written too.
This one ought to be good enough for the naysayers hmm Jamie…
41. flgh - July 30th, 2008 at 10:51 am
What about Alejandro Jodorowsky’s Dune? Not even an honourable mention?
42. segue - July 30th, 2008 at 11:36 am
I neglected to give Blogball my sincerest congratulations on the best Top 10 List in a long, long time!
The list is well researched, well written, and, as far as I know (having been a Hollywood insider), factual in detail.
That I failed to do so is unforgivable.
Blogball, you have my permission to flog, me 10 times, with a strip of celluloid.
It’s refreshing to finally have a list that doesn’t have us at each others throats.
43. segue - July 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am
that next to last sentence should read:
Blogball, you have my permission to flog me, 10 times, with a strip of celluloid.
I think my brain is mis-firing.

44. Blogball - July 30th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Thank you for the comments everybody! I was really honored by some the positive comments especially from the long standing listversers. I would name each one of you but I would be afraid to leave somebody out but you know who you are. As anyone who as ever submitted a list knows how tedious it can be to write one of these things. Especially when I’m thinking that if it is posted it will be looked over by a whole lot of people that are a lot smarter than me. This was a fun list to research and write because I love movies.
Just to answer a couple of questions, # 22 Ghidoran , there is another movie called Dus but it’s completely different from the 1997 unfinished film.
# 27. Tempyra, There is not a lot of info on The Works . Most of it I found here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Works_(film) (I also found this to be one of the more interesting ones on the list)
#41 flgh, you asked about Alejandro Jodorowsky’s Dune I could be wrong but I don’t think there was any actual filming done on that project so it didn’t make the list.
#5. brettc I did not come across those films during my research. I will check them out. “Thanks”
segue, “Flog me 10 Times With a Strip of Celluloid”
I think that’s another unfinished movie !
Jamie, Thanks for posting the list and smoothing out the rough edges
45. Christine - July 30th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
jadester - I completely agree! It wasn’t her fault that her son died. What an awful ordeal to be sued after having lost your son…
46. goof_ball - July 30th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
good list!
47. Sgt. Batguano - July 30th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Love the movie lists!
48. QDV - July 30th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
How about a nod to the unfinished third part of Sergei Eisenstein’s “Ivan the Terrible”?
49. astraya - July 30th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
brettc: Where in Gippsland? I lived in Moe for 8 years.
Assuming that multi-millions were spent on each of these projects, that’s a lot of money down the gurgler.
50. Geraint - July 30th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Test post - sorry
51. Blogball - July 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Wow I was just checking the list for new comments and found a whole new look for The List Universe!
It looks great! I love the “Most Recent Lists” area and the other changes too.
52. MPW - July 30th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Interesting list. These movies would have been great.
53. lomez - July 30th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
It makes me sick to my stomach that River Phoenix’s mother was sued basically because her son died.
54. segue - July 30th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
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53.lomez
It makes me sick to my stomach that River Phoenix’s mother was sued basically because her son died.
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It was all sort of a scandal in Hollywood (the club where he’d been partying was also, for a time, under some pressure)…but then Hollywood and heartless scandals are pretty much inseparable.
I’ve heard stories, and I’ve been on jobs where accidents, which were totally avoidable, happened.
It’s a tough biz.
55. Anon - July 30th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Adding to QDV.
Wasn’t Eisenstein’s ‘¡Qué Viva México!’ also unfinished?
Like all Soviet creative artists with a high enough profile to catch the warm, sympathetic eyes of dear old Uncle Joe and his comin-gnomes, that man had a rough ride at various times and scarcely a comfortable one ever.
56. sophie - July 30th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
What about a Confederacy of Dunces? John Belushi, John Candy, and Chris Farley were all, at one point, supposed to be considered for the main character, Ignatius J. Reilly, but the project never got underway. Some say the film is cursed with all main characters dying sadly of unnatural causes.
57. Mom424 - July 30th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Blogball: I am sorry I am so late to congratulate you on such a great list. Good job. I learned something today, many of these are new to me.
Randall: I am jumping on the “I hate Jerry Lewis” train right along with you. Arrogant, controlling, nasty bugger.
58. August Grey - July 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
cool list, i would like to mention a great film YET to be made, that we can all look forward to…….
” The Dirt ” !!!
59. Anon - July 30th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
So finding Jerry Lewis at best totally unfunny is not just a biased personal quirk of mine? (His charitable involvement and the controversy surrounding it are aside here.)
60. Good Wolf - July 30th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Why isn’t Halo on this list? I was expecting it to be number 1. Peter Jackson had already started filming and there was a full scale full functional “Warthog” constructed for the film. Twas gunna be AWESOME!
61. Maxx_the_Slash - July 30th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Richard Prior’s first movie was going to be a story about a white man raping a black woman. See, Prior is an example of why I hate most black comedians. Guys like Prior and Eddie Murphy base their entire list of jokes on the idea that “black people do this, white people do this, and the white people look like idiots”. Black people complain about white peopel racism? Why the double standard?
62. Hardik - July 30th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Very nice compilation :). Just wanted to add that Bollywood director Anubhav Sinha directed Dus in 2005 (but this time with a different story line with the same plot of anti-terrorism). This film got decent reviews.
63. fishing4monkeys - July 31st, 2008 at 1:07 am
I’m liking the new look! It’s a bit cluttered, though.
64. CRSN - July 31st, 2008 at 1:18 am
BRILLIANT LIST! very well put together and researched.
when i read #3 i couldnt understand why River’s mother got sued, was she the person who handed the drugs in the Viper Room toilets? no, it wasnt, how fucked is that!
i know the US (from what i’ve read) dont like Jerry Lewis too much, but when i was growing up, i loved to watch his movies, even today. The guy might have a pretty shitty personal background but his films are good for a chuckle.
wouldnt have minded to see The Day the Clown Cried, would have given a different perspective on his acting abilities.
65. MPW - July 31st, 2008 at 1:36 am
Nice try Bruce, if that is your real name? Get a life you lying piece of shit! Stop slinging your crap on this great website.
66. NikPG - July 31st, 2008 at 1:39 am
4. jfrater - I would prefer that the movie is never made, except for Schindlers List none of the movies made out of books ever lived up to the book. I would not want anyone to maul the book especially after I have read somewhere on this site that Angelina Jolie is being considered for the role. >
67. NikPG - July 31st, 2008 at 1:45 am
4. jfrater - I would prefer that the movie is never made, except for Schindlers List none of the movies made out of books ever lived up to the book. I would not want anyone to maul the book especially after I have read somewhere on this site that Angelina Jolie is being considered for the role. >
> as the previous shudder was censored!
68. Jason - July 31st, 2008 at 6:59 am
Diogenes, please can you email me on jason@photonicfilms.com. Many Thanks
69. segue - July 31st, 2008 at 7:43 am
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#59. Anon
So finding Jerry Lewis at best totally unfunny is not just a biased personal quirk of mine? (His charitable involvement and the controversy surrounding it are aside here.)
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Jerry Lewis is an embarrassment not just to Hollywood (though he is that in spades), but to America as a whole. Not only is he unfunny, he is an underhanded, dishonest, piece of garbage. His charitable works are a joke, and are in name only.
That he would even consider making a movie such as The Day The Clown Cried, much less actually do so, tells you the calibre of the man.
**
67. NikPG
I would prefer that the movie is never made, except for none of the movies made out of books ever lived up to the book.
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I had read Schindlers List, and had vowed never to see the movie. The book was horrifying, how much more so would it be to see the images projected onto a giant screen?
No. No. No…but I was one of those parents on the list at my children’s schools, often available for classroom duties and fieldtrips because my work in Hollywood left me with downtime.
So when Speilberg was handing out tickets to see the movie to students and caretakers, I was called in.
I thought, not only am I now seeing a horrifying movie I don’t want to see, but I’m seeing it with a theater full of 15 year-olds! I smell disaster.
The first few minutes…moments…of the movie, the kids acted like kids. Then quite quickly silence swept over the theater. By the time 20 minutes had gone by it was silent as a tomb. I might as well have been the only person in the darkness. The silence, except for occasional sniffles and sharp intakes of breath, continued throughout the movie.
When the movie ended, and the lights came up, no one moved for a moment. The boy sitting next to me, turned his face directly to me, and down…away from his friends…to hide the tears streaming down his cheeks.
Back on the bus, the mood remained subdued. Most of the eyes were puffy and red.
The questions were thoughtful and adult.
By the time we let them off, back at school, they were 15 again, but when my son came home than evening, he had a hundred questions.
I don’t think any of them forgot. I don’t think any were left unchanged.
And Speilberg did this same thing all across America, loosing a major chunk of revenue by giving it away, so that the new generation would know the truth.
I applaud this man, whatever else he may have done, or may do in the future, he did *this*, and for this he will forever earn a place in mens hearts.
70. Randall - July 31st, 2008 at 10:34 am
seque:
Nice post re: Schindler’s List. I actually disliked the film (I dislike most of Spielberg’s work, which I find adolescent and exploitative) as phony-artsy and manipulative. But then I realized that in making it, Spielberg also performed a service, the very one you describe. Somebody’s gotta make a shocking spectacle out of horrors like the Holocaust, in order for later generations to “get it.” And that’s no indictment of later generations–it’s just that, whenever distance in time settles between an event (no matter how terrible) and the contemporary, we lose our ability to get a handle on it. It’s one thing to HEAR about people being tortured and shot, but quite another to see it and live through it vicariously on a movie screen.
Spielberg’s done *some* good. He’s made a few fun and scary, if machine-like movies (Jaws, Duel, Raiders of the Lost Ark) and he made it possible for later generations to have a keener idea of what happened during the Holocaust. I gotta grudgingly hand it to him for that.
71. Randall - July 31st, 2008 at 10:41 am
NikPG:
Come on now… MANY films have lived up to the books they were based on or even surpassed them.
The Godfather
To Kill a Mockingbird
Elmer Gantry
The Naked and the Dead
Anna Karenina
Gone with the Wind
Ben Hur
Asphalt Jungle
David and Lisa
The Prisoner of Zenda
Beau Geste
All the King’s Men
That’s just a VERY quick handful I pulled off the top of my head. There have been dozens of others.
The problem is, you’re thinking only in very modern, contemporary terms when Hollywood sucks and screws up film versions of novels right and left. This is because Hollywood long ago went down the tubes in terms of storytelling quality–nowadays it’s the rare exception when a Hollywood film manages a good story or a good version of a novel. It used to be more like the rule.
The fact is that most Hollywood films, or at least a great bulk of them, have always been culled from novels or non-fiction books.
72. segue - July 31st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
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70. Randall
seque:
Nice post re: Schindler’s List. I actually disliked the film…But then I realized that in making it, Spielberg also performed a service, the very one you describe…and he made it possible for later generations to have a keener idea of what happened during the Holocaust. I gotta grudgingly hand it to him for that.
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Thanks, Randall. My whole point was that despite the “adolescent and exploitative, phony-artsy and manipulative” quality of much, not all, of Spielberg’s work, he has this legacy he passed, for free, to the youth of our nation.
I actually ended up liking the movie, which shocked the hell out of me. Although, “liked” isn’t the right word…it affected me deeply. It made me want to gather my children and take them somewhere safe…but I couldn’t think of a place. And as a single parent, who was still caring for a dying mother, I had neither the money nor the freedom to flee.
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71. Randall
NikPG:
Come on now… MANY films have lived up to the books they were based on or even surpassed them.
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I have to agree that *most* of the movies you listed made fine attempts to be true to the book and, as you say, live up to them.
The problems are several, even back in the day when Hollywood wasn’t trying to screw up the books.
Books can cover a great deal of ground, both in distance and in years; they can contain a multitude of characters, each of whom contributes to the story in their own important way; when you read a book, you create a world inside your head, where the story acts out, where you see the people, the places, the colors, you smell the aromas, your fingertips run over the surfaces of fabric, or stone, or skin, or bark…your senses are alive when you read!
When you go to a movie, the writer has had to make decisions, based on running time…basically a minute a page. So if you have a 700 page book, all you can have is 120 pages…and that includes stage direction!
See where the problem lies? It’s not a problem of not *wanting* to do a good job, it’s a matter of time constraints.
Yes, in the past there were movies that did a better job of it.
Why?
Simple. People had longer attention spans. The movies weren’t constrained to 120 minutes *MAX*. Most movies these days are 90 mins. 90 pages.
How on earth can you make “Gone with the Wind” in 90 minutes?
Society is so screwed up that it won’t accept a decent product.
I’m not talking you and me, and this group here. I’m talking about the 20-something’s in general…the folks who set the trends, the ones who spend the bucks.
Hey. I’m not happy about any of this. I know too many really talented people who can’t find a job to save their lives, because of their age…their too old! What used to count as experience, now counts only as something thats holds one back.
Explain that one again.
Forget it. I escaped.
73. amoondoo - July 31st, 2008 at 10:08 pm
well they made a another movie named Somethings Gotta Give couple years back… haha
74. Randall - August 1st, 2008 at 9:40 am
segue:
Ah, but… see, I’ve always been a huge film buff and was for a time a film student in college. And what’s missed–and I think you’ve missed as well–is the fact of just *how many* classic films were based on books or plays, and while those films are remembered, the novels or other original works they were based upon are utterly forgotten, or nearly so. And there’s likely a good reason for this… sometimes a novel *isn’t* the best way to tell a good story, nor is a play. And just because a story begins as one of these that doesn’t mean it’s best served by being so.
The number of old films based on earlier, original works is actually pretty astounding. My Man Godfrey, for instance. Surely no one today remembers the novel. Many know that The Philadelphia Story was a play, but it’s not really remembered as such and is rarely performed. Ditto for the origin story of Casablanca, “Everbody Comes to Rick’s” (although to be fair, that wasn’t really a separately-existing entity before the idea of making it into a film). The Maltese Falcon was a book. The Thin Man was a book. You Can’t Take it With You was a play. And on and on and on…. many that we wouldn’t even think of.
Many times, yes, the film fails to do justice to the book. But we have to remember that this is usually the case with works that are large in scope or effect or style. But many novels and plays are minor, even throwaway works. And it’s possible they later found greater depth and more entertainment power through being made into films.
If we had to choose, after all, between the film “The Graduate” and the original novel.. which was pretty blah, really…. if, say, a comet was going to hit the earth and we only had room for one or the other, the film or the book—I mean, I’d choose the film in that instance. And there’s many, many others where it would be so.
75. segue - August 1st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Randall, as usual you make a boatload of good points. But, ah ha! I was a theatre major myself, before changing, and am well versed in all you say.In fact, I have no argument with any of it.
My points were all on present day movies being made from books, and the constraints which make it impossible, now, for a Casablanca, or a Thin Man, or a Maltese Falcon, or a Gone With the Wind to be made..
Every point you made is valid, and exactly points I would have made myself, but you had already done so.
So essentially, we are film geeks. Good for us.
76. segue - August 1st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Also, I’ve usually read the book well before seeing the movie.
77. Anon - August 1st, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Randall and segue,
This is a probably a difficult one, and hugely subjective: but would you two experts and insiders consider there are examples of a fine work of literature and its film which might be judged as being on a par? Not equivalent, of course, but of equal classic merit in their different ways? ‘All Quiet on the Western Front’ and ‘Of Mice and Men’ are the only two *candidates* I dare to risk coming up with on the spur. Even though I’ve Ive read and seen both versions of each, I’d need to do so again critically to offer a more certain opinion. When they occurred to me, I did appreciate they were early films of course, but not that both had the same director. So for variety (of director), I throw in Lean’s ‘Great Expectations’ as a third. Might this be pre-empting a *Top 10* topic?
78. Anon - August 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Hi,
I see we’re all here together!
79. Anon - August 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Ah no,
Not Randall right now, I see. Should have looked at the times carefully, not just the date.
Well, O.K. Then with the utmost pleasure, Hi, segue. Offered at a snatched moment between work, occulists’ appointments and other distractions from LV. You may well understand, being often in similar sorts of boat yourself (as we sometimes read on your postings here)!
80. segue - August 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Anon, yes, absolutely. Many of the early films, I believe between Randall and I we’ve named a dozen, and you’ve come up with three more off the top of your head!
In the recent past, and in early Hollywood…well, middle Hollywood, there were advantages which simply don’t exist any longer.
Great script writers, who could take a good to great book and transform it into a filmscript that had true merit.
Studios who backed films with money and time, and a system known as the studio system (which would take a book to explain properly).
Directors and Cinematographers who had been trained, usually under a system akin to apprentiship, until they had honed their skills to perfection.
Actors and Actresses who took classes in acting both before becoming an actor, and after…continuing to build their skills. Also, they were trained, and expected to adhere to, a strict code of conduct.
An audience who had an attention span of more than 27 minutes.
Put all of the above together and you can’t help but come up with a superior product.
As Randall so rightly pointed out, so many, most, of the fine early movies were based on books, some surpassing the books! This doesn’t happen anymore. Not in the U.S. anyway.
I could easily list two or three dozen movies from the 40’s & 50’s, some earlier, a few later, based on novels, where the movie equaled or surpassed the book.
All of them would be longer than todays usual 90 minute minimovie.
All of them would be far superior.
81. Anon - August 1st, 2008 at 5:52 pm
segue,
We’re moving slightly off the topic here (so what’s new?), but not that far, and hopefully the diversion is interesting enough not to earn rapped knuckles. With the weekend ahead and a work priority (almost!) off the hands, I can relax a smidgeon here.
Your point on *aggregate* changing attention spans is interesting and valid. It’s something that’s engaged my ponderings long ere now. I’ve worried that it could be serious enough to threaten the structure of art as a whole. Attention span is almost invariably expressed in timespan. I’m not sure this is totally relevant. If it were, Webern ought to be the most popular composer in the classical canon!!! When we’ve been in cybercafés on our travels, we’ve often been appalled at full houses of adolescents and younger kids playing obscenely violent video games, or just sceening up obscenity. We send our messages, go out for a meal or whatever and come back perhaps several hours later for any replies. Many of the same ones are still there, still in the same programmes. (These are male, of course. The females tend to have different fashion or sentimental preoccupations.) The stamina and capacity of the young at all-night discos can only be compared in my life with swatting for exams and long-distance driving!
I see something more insidious. A lack of concentration span in depth. Anything that demands input effort from the otherwise passive participant immediately causes the *off switch* to be thrown. This has always been a hoi polloi tendency, of course, (how could I have put that without sounding repulsively elitist?), but I wonder whether it might have reached crisis proportions today. This the more so when market-orientation far more than ever throws its own *economically non-viable switch* when sales or attendance numbers, and hence returns, drop below critical levels. I’ve wondered what would be the reaction of those early idealist Fabians and other pioneer socialists who believed universal education would fill Shakespearean theatres, concert halls and museums were they to return now.
‘Gone …’ was perhaps too exceptional in its length to stand general comparison at any time. But wiping all factors bar temporal length from the slate, ‘The Four Feathers’ - 1939, 115 m: 2002, 130 m. (How unlucky that first was to come out in the same year as ‘Gone …’.) Two fine comparable anti-war films are ‘All Quiet …’ 1930, 133 m: ‘Das Boot’ 1981, 145 m. At 157 m and 169 m respectively, ‘Fitzcarraldo’ and ‘Saving Private Ryan’ aren’t unique among recent films. When I sit through an engaging, intelligent modern epic film, I have no sense that I’m being short-changed for time conpared with those of an earlier era. Perhaps too, older films are also the quality that has been left after passing through the *rubbish filter* of history, which has not yet happened to our modern output.
My strictly personal reaction to acting finds as many fine and dedicated examples today as in the past. I simply notice a change from what I would call the period of *theatrical metamorphosis* and relative predominance of the star system to a basically more completely natural style these days. Both strike me as absolutely valid in their ways.
82. Randall - August 2nd, 2008 at 9:14 am
Anon:
I’d say that the film version of “Of Mice and Men” actually surpassed the book… I never much liked Steineck. Same goes for “The Grapes of Wrath.”
You make some excellent points in your last comment, directed at segue. Though I think perhaps it may be a mistake to bring acting into the discussion. As you pointed out, acting styles have changed, in some ways drastically, and certainly markedly, since early and even middle Hollywood.
But what you’re saying is the kind of thing Dwight MacDonald wrote about decades ago in his essay “Masscult and Midcult.” If you aren’t already familiar with that, you might want to give it a read. I’ve been fascinated with trying to trace the progression from the period when MacDonald was writing (early 60s as I recall) to today, and determining how correct he was in his prescience.
83. Anon - August 2nd, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Randall,
Many thanks for your kind response. I was just a little uneasy that your “directed at segue” sounded a bit as though you had interpreted my reponse as aggressive! Hopefully not. I consider it a *conversation* with segue and trust it was accepted as such, though that’s probably what you intended anyway.
My own view of acting was only mentioned in reponse to a point that had already been raised. Interesting though, as I suppose it might be just as valid to say that film-making styles have also changed drastically, perhaps as drastically as those of any artform within its **full lifetime. Obviously, that’s largely because so much else contingent has been accelerating at unprecendented rates over the same period, notably social change and technological advances. Of itself, such a situation makes comparison difficult. By taking comparative parameters as anywhere between the most early and most recent significant points, there is a tendency to end up with those ludicrous, pointless questions such as, *Who was the better composer, Hildegard von Bingen or Jan Sibelius?*, which have also cropped up and been disputed in other lists, notably of literature. Perhaps one also has to accept available or prevalent acting styles as an integrated formational part of any film too.
**I had to add *full*. When I thought about it, most or all established art-forms have changed at least as dramatically themselves over the same period and for much the same reasons!
I read Steinbeck long, long ago and was impressed by his humanitarian concerns. I’m not in a position to recall his literary merit, although his titles have not faded from sight … yet. An American friend of mine, literary and sensitive, shares a lowish opinion of him. She much prefers Hemingway. Sorry, that defeats me. Hemingway fired up my intellectual testosterone when I was creeping out of my teens and into my 20s. I prefer not to offer my present assessment based on those of his I’ve read (but with grudging admiration for ‘The Old Man and the Sea’)!
I haven’t encountered MacDonald, and will certainly make an effort to now. Thanks for the *hint*.
84. segue - August 3rd, 2008 at 8:38 am
83. Anon, I didn’t mean talent, though I can easily see how that conclusion could have been reached! As you stated, there is as much talent on hand today as there has ever been.
What I meant, and phrased so badly, was off screen, public behavior.
Under the studio system, the star system, public behavior (even private behavior which was done in a situation which could become public), was strictly controlled.
There was a code of conduct, the penalty for breaking this code depended only somewhat on one’s fame.
The basic code covered things like behaving graciously in public; never being seen looking anything but at ones best; stopping to sign autographs with a smile.
Some points could *never* be broken no matter how famous you were or, at least, never be allowed to hinted at in any way.
Homosexuality, for example. Gay men and women were forced to publicly date, to marry, to have families. I could reel off names, but most of you probably know them by now, and anyway, I wouldn’t do so for the sake of the children and grandchildren.
On another note. Please forgive my behavior of the past few days. I’ve been emotionally fragile and snappish. I apologize.
85. Anon - August 3rd, 2008 at 11:54 am
segue,
Please, please. As always I’ve found absolutely nothing to take exception to in your as ever thoughtful contributions, least of all snappishness. And this LV pool is full of crocodiles with or without ticking clocks!
On the contrary, I’ve been feeling guilty myself, having been unable to resist the temptation of throwing myself into the fray of various topics here over the last few days, and thereby neglecting much else, not least personal correspondence.
Yes, it didn’t make any sense that you would have discounted today’s fine actors, and so many of them. Sorry I misinterpreted. Still, how easy it is both to misinterpret and write comments subject to misinterpretation. I catch myself at it all the time. It strikes me as a bit like when a visitor is driving our vehicle near home and I forget to give directions. It’s because I know the way, the vehicle knows the way, so why don’t they …?
Your point is another of my regular ponderings. As the post war era brushed aside many moral hypocricies of yore, those gains were partly offset by other moral and social losses that fellow travel with greater freedom. It seems that whichever way you slide the regulator of morality there are gains and losses, winners and losers. Of course, that still leaves no doubt where the general trend should go. But oh, for a bit more of the grace, thoughtfulness, dignity and consideration of yore along with the broader tolerance of now!
Having just looked him in another filmic context and found his personal history laid open there, I’ll name Alan Bates as an emblem for your point. Of course, just reading rather than knowing, one does run into the unknown possibility that some such may actually have been willing bisexuals.
86. segue - August 3rd, 2008 at 2:23 pm
“one does run into the unknown possibility that some such may actually have been willing bisexuals.”
There was that, and again, I could name a few, and again, I won’t. I can verify several from first-hand knowledge.
Re: public behavior. Back in the mid-80’s, I was working on a shoot for a Japanese firm. It was a commercial shoot, but the Japanese commercials, at least at that time, and at least the ones I got hired on, were *huge* budget extravaganzas. They would hire stars who wouldn’t be caught dead doing a commercial in the U.S. or, as a rule, Europe. They came with suitcases full of American money.
So. This commercial. It was slatted (thankfully!) to be a 10 day shoot on a soundstage, with ultra-modern sets, tesla coils, trained cats, and various and sundry special effects, and two of the hottest names in Hollywood.
Young.
One male.
One female.
The first day of shooting with the actors, the male showed up coked to the gills. At every break he’d disappear into his trailer and return re-coked. Since there were no lines for either of them to say, all we had to do was keep him in position…not always easy, but doable.
His attitude, his *ego*, was bigger than the soundstage, and we could expect at least one tantrum a day, usually several. His buddies, all big name stars in the same age range, would stop by, some were really nice, some were more like him, but all managed to impede the work flow.
Another shoot, a mini-movie, weirdly enough again for the Japanese, was in the same era, starring Michael J. Fox.
That man is one of the most naturally nice human beings on the face of the earth.
He was always interested in the other people working around him, whether they were actors or crew. At meal times he’d just find an empty seat where ever, and plunk down, chatting with group.
I heard him say, more than once, that he was the luckiest man alive. He mean’t that in every way. His family, his job, the way his job allowed him to raise his family in comfort and fun and safety.
Notice which item came first. Family. I’m betting that even now, even with his illness, he still believes himself to be the luckiest man alive.
87. Anon - August 3rd, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Oh, why did Michael J. land the bum rap and not one of the others? Yes, of course I know the answer. Life isn’t a morality fairy story.
It’s a strange thing, segue, but I often seem to have an instinctive reaction, almost revulsion against certain stars and media persons. I feel unhappy with myself, and bigoted, because they are up and running with nothing against their names and lots of public admiration. Jerry Lewis in his heyday would be an example. Yet so many times the balloon has burst over them and they have proved to have been rotters, often more than I could have credited.
I admit it can work the other way. I’d like to think I can pick the Michael J.’s all the way too. But I was shocked by the revelations about Bing Crosby (always a *shining star* to Sinatra’s *black hole* on a personal level for me) and Henry Fonda, for example.
88. Randall - August 3rd, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Anon:
I confess to a deep dislike for Hemingway. Some of his short stories were remarkable, but I find nearly all of his novels unreadable or at least grossly tedious.
You and segue (are you reading this segue?) may be of great help to me… if you look back, both of you, some time ago I wrote a list here of the top 20 classic Hollywood “tough guys.” Now, it was suggested at that time that I follow up with a list of classic Hollywood “weasels.” I’m part way through this list, but could use a few more suggestions. I’ve included many of the people who named names to the House Unamerican Activities Committee, as well as people like George Raft and so on. But if you have any suggestions, please feel free to share.
89. Anon - August 3rd, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Randall,
I’m extremely flattered, but so much of a toe-dipper in the shallows I doubt I have anything of the slightest use to you. BUt I’ll let my subconscious get to work on it anyway, just in case. Segue, on the other hand …
Have you considered approaching jfr for possible clued-up collaboration, or would you prefer to keep it in the family?
If we do think of anything, should we communicate it here on the open channel to you, or would you prefer to spring as big a surprise as possible on your adoring public, as I hope to do with the lists I’m preparing (if I ever finish them!)? In which case better provide a direct contact via jfr.
90. Randall - August 4th, 2008 at 7:05 am
Anon:
Thanks, and sure, any suggestions you have, just post ‘em here.
As for collaborating with Jamie… I’ve thought about that but always figure he’s much too busy with maintaining the site and preparing his own lists. Of course, I’d always be open to it.
91. segue - August 4th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Randall, I’d be happy to help, but as far as making a list…well, secrecy is half the fun. I’d be willing to allow direct contact via Jamie, also. I absolutely know names, and have sufficient backup research here in my library ( or, depending on what you already have, I should!), to be of assistance.
btw, I’ve always found Jamie to be responsive in times of need.
92. Anon - August 4th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Randall and segue,
As expected, I’m de trop, to no one’s disadvantage. Good luck between you, the subject sounds juicy. My only suggestion re Jamie, Randall, was that he might be able to suggest others, but now you have segue. Look no further.
93. segue - August 4th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
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88. Randall
I confess to a deep dislike for Hemingway. Some of his short stories were remarkable, but I find nearly all of his novels unreadable or at least grossly tedious.
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Randall, if you find Hemingway tedious, how do you feel about William Faulkner?
94. TheGreatBuddha - August 10th, 2008 at 1:50 am
what about eragon… anyone who has read the book and seen the movie know what im talking about.
dont know if anyone reads this far down in the comments but regardless
95. Fairy - December 3rd, 2008 at 6:25 am
Oh wow…It is such a shame that Kaleidoscope was never finished.. If it had, it would have probably become one of the horror classics… Perhaps even as good as Psycho. Gosh, I would have loved to see the film.
96. Copaface - December 11th, 2008 at 3:04 am
LOL I have the Who Killed Bambi song
Definately good for a laugh