Fame and history can easily distort the true picture of a man. The human side (and sometimes the bad side) of the famous dead can be forgotten which often contributes to the adulation that many receive. This list looks at 10 very famous and very special people and shows us the normal side of their life.
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) was labeled a security risk by the First Continental Congress, and required to go around Philadelphia, from September 5 to October 26, 1774, with a bodyguard of 3 armed soldiers “surreptitiously dressed,” so as not to arouse suspicions. These men weren’t expected to protect Franklin from other citizens. They were expected to protect the secrets of the Congress from getting out to the public via Franklin’s loose lips. The Congress, after all, met during the last months before the American Revolutionary War, and the British presence in the colonies was obvious, widespread, and completely intolerable. Everyone on both sides knew it.
Franklin liked to frequent the bars around Philadelphia, and when he got to drinking, he got to talking to no one in particular. His bodyguard later testified that he could be quite rowdy after about 10 ales.
Saint Francis of Assisi (c. 1181-1266) is the patron saint of Italy and animal welfare. He famously preached a sermon to the birds. There are all sorts of miraculous legends about him, including that he suffered four wounds of the stigmata (only Jesus has ever suffered all five). He travelled in his young days as a monk to convert Sultan al-Kamil – offering to be thrown into a fire to prove that God would protect him. He once saved the city of Gubbio from a wolf that had been preying on the people and their cattle, by bringing the wolf into town and baptizing it. The wolf never bothered anyone else again. On his deathbed, so the legend goes, Francis thanked his donkey for carrying him all his life, and the donkey wept. Saint Francis was not just a living saint – he was a very humble man. He refused to become a priest and stayed a monk his whole life – the reason was that he did not think himself worthy – his order of monks was called the “lesser brothers”. You know what St. Francis of Assisi’s favorite food was? Fried chicken legs. He also liked pig knuckles.
You’ve probably heard of how much they hated each other. It’s been said that the only reason neither of them won a Nobel prize in physics is because they did everything within their considerable powers to destroy each other’s reputations. It would take too long to tell the whole backstory.
The feud finally turned seriously sour when Tesla invented alternating current, for the sole purpose of 1-upping Edison’s direct current. DC is extremely inefficient, requiring a cable wider than the average human wrist to transmit enough power for one Manhattan block. Thus, a lot of Manhattan blocks were reserved for these cables, all hooked up to huge power grids, just like telephone switchboards.
Tesla thought they were a horrible eyesore, and figured he could do better than “that idiot tinkerer.” He went to his hotel room, did the math, drew up the designs, and in a matter of months, invented AC electricity. The cords we use today in our household appliances are exactly the same width as those he used in his first applications.
AC caught on very quickly, and nearly bankrupted Edison, who fought back in a remarkably heartless, sociopathic manner. He deliberately and publicly executed an elephant by AC electrocution. He bought it from the Bronx Zoo, carted it out to a public park and called reporters to take note. Just to prove how dangerous Tesla’s inventions were. One of those huge DC cables would have had insufficient to penetrate the elephant.
His reprisal didn’t work, but astoundingly, because elephants were not endangered at the time, and it was technically his property, he was merely fined for animal cruelty, a punishment he appealed unsuccessfully.
Johannes Brahms (1833-1897), the great German composer and pianist, loathed cats. His favorite pastime was sitting on a large windowsill of his living room with the window open, idly shooting a bow and arrow he made himself at passing stray cats. He became quite skilled at it.
I bet you don’t know who to credit for this comment, “The discipline of most of the students I am paid to teach is deplorable. They claim to forget their assignments, when in truth, they simply refused to do them. They do not want to learn, and I cannot instill that desire in them. Our nation is doomed.” The answer: Aristotle (384-322 BC). I guess history really does repeat.
There’s a line in the film Swordfish, that goes like this, “Thomas Jefferson once shot a man on the White House lawn.” That isn’t true. Can you believe Hollywood would lie?!
What is true, is that Andrew Jackson did. You’d think the public would have known better than to insult him. By the time he was President, he had been in 7 to 8 duels, which were common back then, and had several lead pistol balls in his chest to prove it. He “rattled like a bag of marbles” and routinely coughed up blood.
He survived one assassination attempt by a deranged named Richard Lawrence, who tried to shoot him with two flintlock pistols, only to have both misfire, and then be disarmed by David Crockett himself, who pistol-whipped him into unconsciousness, but not before Jackson beat Lawrence with his cane. They don’t make politicians like that anymore.
The White House lawn incident occurred when an unidentified newspaper reporter, standing on an outdoor balcony of the White House, insulted the First Lady who happened to be walking by. This was the most common cause for a duel at the time, but as President, Jackson didn’t need a duel. He pulled out a pistol and shot the man through the chest, and he pitched over the balcony to the grass, dead.
Leon Battista Alberti (1408-1472) is not as well know today as the #1 entry, but in his day, he was known as a “Renaissance man.” He was employed as a painter, sculptor, architect, translator (especially of Latin), writer, cryptographer, and he wrote the first official Italian grammar book.
Today, however, he’s popularly known among athletes for a feat none of them could do if they had to, and if you’ve seen the film “Renaissance Man,” with Danny DeVito, you’ll remember that Alberti could stand with his feet together two feet in front of a six-foot man and spring clear over his head.
Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750) almost killed a man in a streetfight. The year was 1705 and bach was 20 years old and freshly employed as the organist at a church in Cothen, Germany. For extra money on the side, he offered his service as a music tutor.
A particularly terrible bassoonist hired him, and after a few lessons, Bach gave up and told him the brutal truth, “That thing sounds like a nanny goat when you play it.” The bassoonist was offended and promised that bach would regret saying that, and left.
That evening, as Bach was leaving church to walk home, he turned onto a narrow sidestreet, and was greeted by the bassoonist and two of his friends. The bassoonist said something to the effect of “Now who’s the nanny goat?” and the three started for him.
Bach calmly unsheathed his rapier and said, “Who wants to be first?”
The bassoonist’s friends stopped, but he charged on anyway, and the two went at it. The bassoonist’s friends very quickly realized his error and broke up the fight. The bassoonist had several holes poked through his clothes, but was not hurt, and he never bothered Bach again.
(This story has its variants, one interesting suggestion being that Bach could not have afforded a rapier, in which case unless someone gave him one, he probably pulled out a large dagger.)
Yep, Sir Isaac Newton (1643-1727) never had sex. There is little documentation in any of his biographies of a relationship with another woman, except for that of his mother, and that of his 8 year old niece.
Newton was blisteringly Protestant, and would not have considered sex without marriage first. But he was too busy with mathematics, religion, and all-around mental stuff to bother mixing up with some woman.
Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) invented the sniper rifle. That’s a misnomer, really, since the barrel wasn’t rifled inside. But da Vinci understood the severe inaccuracy of all the firearms of the day. Cannon didn’t have to be very accurate, but muskets did. He may have invented the wheel-lock firing mechanism.
Ludovico Sforza, the Duke of Milan, employed da Vinci to invent “war machines,” and da Vinci did indeed sketch several machines, most notably a wooden, covered cannonade, the precursor to the tank. He also sketched a particularly brutal scythed chariot, and there is one known sketch of a wheel-lock musket fitted with a telescope.
The telescopes of the day were refractors and not very powerful, which made them perfect for Earth-bound observations. Da Vinci simply bolted one along the top of a musket barrel, making sure the two were precisely aligned, and then, according to documents of the Duke, demonstrated its effectiveness by personally sniping soldiers off the parapets of an enemy castle, from 1,000 yards. There have been arguments over whether the documents were forged.
Da Vinci also invented scissors. He bolted two knives together, to facilitate shearing cloth.


























1 Romanov Konstantine
January 15th, 2010 at 1:32 am
Yay
2 Avi
January 15th, 2010 at 1:32 am
I guess even the immortals are totally human.
3 Narendra
January 15th, 2010 at 1:37 am
Where is my Jesus?
4 lala
January 15th, 2010 at 1:37 am
awesome list. i loved the bit about Johannes Brahms. i think i need some practice too…
I still miss my old girlfriend, but my aim is improving.
5 Avi
January 15th, 2010 at 1:44 am
Where is Teddy Roosevelt? He was barely human though since he made Chuck Norris look like a pansy.
6 negadm
January 15th, 2010 at 1:45 am
Yipee 5th n 6th
7 segues
January 15th, 2010 at 1:49 am
This is an interesting list.
I am always partial to historical list, especially those which give us a dose of biographical information. While I have read fairly extensively on the Founding Fathers, I was glad to get samples of other bio’s (Amazon will have an order in the very near future, I can feel it).
8 Angharad
January 15th, 2010 at 1:50 am
What exactly is the “human” component of the Da Vinci entry? Everyone knows he invented things. So where were the comments about his personal foibles and other things relating to the entire point of the list?
9 BravehisTickle
January 15th, 2010 at 1:51 am
Yo man we are back to the good ol’ flamesy days..now waitin’ for the WWII list.. Two thumbs up to flamehorse
10 apepper
January 15th, 2010 at 1:51 am
Great list! Tesla/Edison is particular sad – I have the feeling that Tesla was the “clever” one and Edison the “shrewd” one.
11 Arnaud
January 15th, 2010 at 1:52 am
Where does Aristotle’s quote come from ?
12 sad muso
January 15th, 2010 at 1:57 am
Kwality list – very interesting!
13 soph123
January 15th, 2010 at 1:59 am
Awesome list! It’s always nice to know these random things about famous people, cos then when someone says something about Bach (or whoever) you can say “Oh, Bach. Yes. He did such and such a thing…” and then you look really smart. Of course, you could always make things up, who would know?
14 deeeziner
January 15th, 2010 at 2:03 am
Flamehorse, were you a bit distracted during the writing of this list?
Sorry mate, but you have opened yourself up to an awful lot of harassing grammar nazi comments, which is something that doesn’t normally occur in one of your fine lists.
I also found your “human” component somewhat erratic throughout the entries. Most notably in the Tesla/Edison and da Vinci entries.
Wouldn’t the anecdote about Jefferson only illustrate him to be a murderer?
And the story about Newton left me feeling like the man was missing some of our human attributes.
I am sorry to have to express less than glowing acolades to you FlameHorse. But this one just didn’t do it for me.
15 Jack
January 15th, 2010 at 2:14 am
… I normally really enjoy Flamehorse’s lists, but this seemed a little rushed in places. Learnt some interestnig stuff though.
16 Iain
January 15th, 2010 at 2:35 am
The Aristotle quote is kind of a double reference if you think about it. His most famous pupil was Alexander the Great (as well as a few of his succesor kings). So maybe we can surmise that one of history’s greatest military geniuses was a naughty schoolboy.
17 Iain
January 15th, 2010 at 2:48 am
Isaac Newton = Sheldon
18 Anonymous
January 15th, 2010 at 3:41 am
I didn’t understand the title of the list…
19 Lyndall Johnson
January 15th, 2010 at 3:45 am
Woohoo !! 10 in a row!! Come on listverse you are doing good!!! but then again no asian or africans.
20 archangel
January 15th, 2010 at 3:49 am
I dunno about you, but I always thought these people were human, and not aliens or so. o_0
Lol @ Isaac… maybe he had a thing for his instruments instead? xP Jokes!
21 Maximuz04
January 15th, 2010 at 3:57 am
@Avi (7):
TR and chuck norris were best friends in elementary
22 Kitty
January 15th, 2010 at 4:23 am
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1122514
The Brahms/cat thing isn’t true.
23 Moonbeam
January 15th, 2010 at 4:47 am
It’s sorta’ sad that we don’t think famous people are human. That they are somehow other-worldly or superior in all ways.
By the way, I always like the lists by FlameHorse, this is another good one.
24 nicoleredz3
January 15th, 2010 at 5:31 am
Thank you FlameHorse! Most original list I’ve read, thus far. JFrater, maybe as a challenge, you can create a list based on most popular topics in movies? Just a suggestion…
25 astraya
January 15th, 2010 at 5:47 am
The other great feud was Newton v Leibnitz. Newton didn’t let up even after Leibnitz died.
The other superhuman thing about Bach (apart from his music) was that he had 20 children, some of them with his cousin.
26 oouchan
January 15th, 2010 at 6:12 am
Loved the list, flamehorse! Learned a bit this morning about each of these guys.
Hate Brahms! What an ass for shooting cats.
Also I heard that both Newton and da Vinci were gay. Especially da Vinci. He rarely hung out with women and was seen mostly in the company of young men.
27 c man
January 15th, 2010 at 6:13 am
nice list , andrew jackson is a bad ass lol
28 thangbui
January 15th, 2010 at 6:44 am
ha ha ha, @Iain(17) lol, didnt know this stuff about Isaac Newton before, nice list!
29 Muscarius
January 15th, 2010 at 7:18 am
I thought Albert Einstein was at n°1. He was a real asshole to his wife and treated her worse than shit.
30 Jon
January 15th, 2010 at 7:23 am
To add to the Edison / Tesla feud, when Edison used AC current to kill the elephant he had actually soaked the elephant in formaldehyde to make sure he would die, and I think this is even less humane than just executing it
31 Texas Historian
January 15th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Andrew Jackson’s wife, Rachel, died before he took office as the President of the United States. Andrew’s niece Emily took over most of the duties of the first lady during his presidency. He could have shot someone making a comment over Emily or a remark on his dead wife.
32 randomprecision24
January 15th, 2010 at 7:48 am
I was expecting Jesus at number one, but I guess we’re going to skip that debate today.
Can you imagine Obama shooting someone on the White House lawn? I thihnk Dubya would have done it.
33 Cosmo312
January 15th, 2010 at 7:52 am
Awww, why do people always bash Edison? He was a great inventor – better than Tesla. Edison wasnt particularly skilled at maths or science compared to Tesla but he was innovative and always trying things, thats why he invented so much stuff.
Tesla only ever built on stuff that had already been invented, like the electric motor or radio transmission. He actually came up with alternating current when he was working for Edison, based off Edisons earlier ideas for power transmission.
34 Davy
January 15th, 2010 at 8:07 am
@c man (27): You could say that.
35 Lifeschool
January 15th, 2010 at 8:27 am
Hi, I don’t usually reply in the negative but this list puzzles me. The collective subject of ‘surprisingly human’ seems lost, and the entries appear loose and almost random. Some have nice long essays of information, others bearly garner a paragraph. Sure, some of these people are examples of being vocal, stubborn or reactionary – but then my dog is also highly vocal, stubborn and also reactionary!
On the up side, I enjoyed the take on AC/DC.
Aristotle may have written “could do better” in red ink.
36 djgazza
January 15th, 2010 at 8:49 am
poor old Isaac Newton, eh !
37 Marv in DC
January 15th, 2010 at 8:53 am
@Cosmo312
Actually what Edison was good at was hiring other people with great ideas and then making it seem like he was the brain behind. He was a great opportunist, not much of a great inventor.
38 xtopherp
January 15th, 2010 at 9:04 am
While I was familiar with his penchant for dueling, I couldn’t remember reading anything about Jackson killing anybody on the Whitehouse lawn. If wiki can be considered a reliable source for this, it states that he was involved in 13 duels that only resulted in one death to his opponent. That duel took place on May 30, 1806. He was in office from 1829-1837, so I believe the facts on this to be a bit embellished. But truly, not a lot of embellishment needed for a guy that dueled 13 times. Jeesh.
It did appear to be over an insult to his wife though.
39 Blue I’x
January 15th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Can anyone recommend a good book (historical fiction or biographical) about the whole Edison/Tesla feud?
And yes, I know I can google it as well as anyone else – but if anyone knows of a great one off the top of his/her head, I’d love a recommendation or two.
40 D-Day
January 15th, 2010 at 9:28 am
I think Jesus was gay.
41 Jerome
January 15th, 2010 at 9:37 am
I do appreciate the lists (and efforts behind them), but sources would be nice. I can’t find the Aristotle quote anywhere (except at http://lostmymusic.tumblr.com/ and they give no source either).
jfrater – Is listverse being mirrored elsewhere? The identical list can be found at http://www.webdare.net/webdarenet/?p=16254 under your name.
42 Gus
January 15th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Good list.
43 krypto092108
January 15th, 2010 at 9:52 am
On Leonardo Da Vinci: I thought the Chinese invented scissors?
44 Chris
January 15th, 2010 at 9:55 am
I expected to see Jesus here..
45 Cosmo312
January 15th, 2010 at 10:00 am
@Marv in DC (37): Hiring them and taking their ideas, or in Teslas case, ignoring them
46 D-Day
January 15th, 2010 at 10:07 am
@Chris (44): Jesus was here, hes everywhere and I think hes gay.
47 Lintriloquist
January 15th, 2010 at 10:13 am
Seems the religious of Franciscan times were as hypocritical as they are today. “I luv de animals” (nom nom nom on de chicky leg).
48 Cybercidal
January 15th, 2010 at 10:16 am
I don’t much care for the logic in identifying Sir Isaac Newton as a virgin just because his sex life wasn’t well documented. Not many people’s sex lives are… oh, wait, damn you Google!
49 Rolo Tomasi
January 15th, 2010 at 10:30 am
@Jerome (41): You can’t find the Aristotle quote because it doesn’t exist anywhere.
I dont beleive Aristotle ever said this. I double majored in philosophy and have read a huge chunk of Aristotle’s complete works, I never remember coming accross this quote anywhere. Its not in any of his books,and its not in any of my notes. I also called a good buddy of mine who mastered in philosophy and he couldn’t find this quote either.
I will assume one of two things:
first. I will give the author the benefit of the doubt and say that he used some obscure translation of Aristotle’s works that is not famiiar to me. and it appears there (and very strangely worded on top of that)
or
Second. The author copied this quote from an unrealiable source.
Either way unless someone out there can point to a specific quote in ANY of Aristotles works. You can rest assured that those words did not come out of his mouth.
50 Frankly…
January 15th, 2010 at 10:32 am
What a truly atrocious list. Why, oh, why are FlameHorse’s lists published. This particular one was supposed to show the human side of these well known people. A worthy idea but horribly implemented.
None of the entries revolve around their human side. Occasionally FlameHorse threw in a sentence (or two if we’re lucky) that was vaguely connected to what this list was meant to be about. Furthermore, FlameHorse has clearly got muddled up between famous peoples’ more human side and quirky facts about them. For example saying Johannes Brahms didn’t like cats shows us very little of his human side, apart from he didn’t like cats.
To rescue this increasingly poor site from oblivion FlameHorse’s and other sub standard list entries must be rejected. They are bringing the standard of this site right down, when it used to be one of the best on the web.
51 undaunted warrior
January 15th, 2010 at 10:53 am
I have read a lot of your lists, and always praised you when I think its good.
Some of them have been off the top shelf well written and reasearched, but this one just – I dont know its just not a list written by the old FlameHorse I knew.
No offence intended.
52 Julianna
January 15th, 2010 at 10:55 am
I would submit that one could take ANY famous person (current or past), look into his or her life and find something “human” or quirky about the person. This wasn’t particularly illuminating.
I had to read the title 4 different times to make sure I had read it right and I kept hoping that rereading it would illuminate for me what the list was atually about. It didn’t. Perhaps a better title for this would be something like “Stories about historical people you probably haven’t heard” or something like that. Regardless, this was a weird list.
And finally, I’m getting really tired of these lists that are now followed by several comments pointing out factual errors. The errors are neither slight nor are they hard to find apparently. This list was all around disappointing.
53 My 2 Cents
January 15th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Show me the sources
54 My 2 Cents
January 15th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Another list with historical errors
55 Mememe
January 15th, 2010 at 11:25 am
I’m with Tesla.
Edison took credit (and registered the patents) for inventions his employees’ came up with.
’nuff said.
Thank Bastet for that Brahms thing being false…
56 Randall
January 15th, 2010 at 11:51 am
@Rolo Tomasi (49):
I have to agree; I don’t recall any such quote in Aristotle. I seem to vaguely recall a quotation from Plato that was *somewhat* similar, but it sticks in my mind that it had something to do with music studies or some such thing.
A better way to illustrate the “human” side of Aristotle would have been to talk about his hostility to physical experimentation (he believed he was unnecessary and ungentlemanly, and relied instead on pure thought to come to conclusions about questions—which led him to believe, for instance, (if I recall correctly) that two bodies will not fall at an equal rate if dropped from the same height (he’d reasoned that heavier bodies fall faster, which is incorrect, and he never bothered to so much as check this supposition). He also supported slavery as an institution, believing it was the lot of some people, as inferiors, to be enslaved by their “betters.”
57 My 2 Cents
January 15th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
SCISSORS WERE INVENTED BACK IN 1500 BC. LONG BEFORE DA VINCI.
58 My 2 Cents
January 15th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Flamehorse, Fact Check next time.
59 TonyM
January 15th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
“Jackson beat Lawrence with his cane. They don’t make politicians like that anymore.” Waht about two Jags Prescott!!
60 San Diego
January 15th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Go Chargers!!
61 JK III
January 15th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
A Great, entertaining list.
62 Moonbeam
January 15th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
I’m not sure why the description from #4, Leon Battista Alberti, proves he’s human.
Also sadly yet again there are a few typos on this list. Yes, yes – I know people hate the “grammar Nazi’s” – but it must be somewhat embarrassing for the list writer to have errors left in when they could have easily been caught and corrected by an editor. Plus it must get pretty stale for people to read comments like this one complaining about it. I am sorry, but it makes the site seem shoddy and the lists less credible.
I keep thinking that maybe I should let it go and just appreciate the organic nature of this site. The only problem is that occasionally it makes it difficult to understand what the writer is trying to say. Take this passage,”…by a deranged [man?] named Richard Lawrence, who tried to shoot him with two flintlock pistols, only to have both misfire, and then be disarmed by David Crockett himself, who pistol-whipped him into unconsciousness, but not before Jackson beat Lawrence with his cane.” It gets tough when I have to reread a sentence to get what’s being said. Once again, sorry to be the critic – I really did like this list.
63 ianz09
January 15th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Just threw together another list.
64 superbloop
January 15th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Neat
65 Kuban8r
January 15th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
I love this site, but I have to say that alot of these posters make it so I don’t even want to try submitting a list. It’s like you all just want to find something to complain about… I don’t get it. you all sound like teachers scanning each list for the most minute error and then making a huge deal out of it.
What makes you feel you have the right to correct someones grammar? Your’re not getting paid to be editors.
Read the list, chime in with your two cents but stop the constant whining about grammar, spoilers, trolls and my personal favorite – complaining about the subject of the list. Hey, you saw the title. if you don’t think the subject matter will interest you, DONT READ IT.
Maybe I’m in the wrong, but I would rather read peoples opinions on what should have made the list and corrections to historical or factual erros. I dont give a damn if the author spelled something wrong.
66 Mimz
January 15th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Very well written, and very educational! I loved the list; it kept my interest all the way through, unlike a lot of the historical lists on this website. Well done!
67 astraya
January 15th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
At the age of 18 GF Handel fought a duel with a fellow composer/performer over who should play the harpsichord for a particular performance. The duel ended when the other man’s sword broke on Handel’s coat button.
68 GiantFlyingRobo
January 15th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Flamehorse, I hate to say this, as I consider you a friend…..
but this list kinda sucked. The concept of the list was good, but you didn’t really deliver with it. Shooting at cats with arrows for fun isn’t a “human” thing, nor is inventing the sniper rifle. Also, as others have pointed out above, you have made quite a bit of factual errors. Sorry dude, but next time, please do a little bit more research. You’re still one of my favorite list authors, though.
69 GiantFlyingRobo
January 15th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
As for Newton, DAMN! that man really didn’t want to go to hell, didn’t he?
70 whathappened?
January 15th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
I’m pretty sure Tesla did not invent AC solely to spite Edison, though that sure was a sweet side effect of the invention catching on so quickly. Random fact, but Tesla died a virgin as well, though he did not live nearly as long as Newton. I suppose such is the side effect of genius and eccentricity.
71 fajita
January 15th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
how the hell is shooting cats a “human” quality? WTF? do i even want to read the rest of this list… hmmm… no.
72 tasmanian devil
January 15th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Thomas Edison was one of the biggest thieves in history. What he didn’t buy and claim as his own he would steal. Tesla is the more amazing of the two (probably more insane).
73 wondersquid
January 15th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Great list! I love a good bassoon story! NOW WHO’S THE NANNY GOAT?
74 FlameHorse
January 15th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
I am uninterested in indulging the argumentative natures of a lot of the bloggers on this site.
If I made a list that isn’t controversial, you’d decry it as boring.
If I told you the sky was blue, you’d take issue with me.
I enjoy making and reading lists. Jafe has a great site going.
75 Jstar
January 15th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Not the best list. Nothing in this list was cohesive. Very few “human” sides were shown. This list had MAJOR potential and failed to meet them. Ben Franklin and Brahms are really the only ones.
76 ianz09
January 15th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
@Jstar (75): And to all who claim the list didn’t show ‘human sides’.
That is what the list illustrated. That these people, despite being worshipped as heros and geniuses, had regular and/or crappy qualities. Humans, have regular and/or crappy qualities. Seriously. We raise these people up, and this list shows that we have forgotten that, like us, they were just PEOPLE. Edison and Tesla. They both ended up being competitive and petty, especially Edison. That is evidence to support that they weren’t the incredible people we make them out to be. Ben Franklin was a talkative drunk, even though we worship him as a great founding father, excellent leader, and genius. Turns out, he drinks. And is annoying as a result. The guy who shoots at cats? That doesn’t mean that cat shooting is a normal human activity, that just means that despite the way we look at these people today, they had quirks, or were jerks, or were annoying, or any other “undesirable” personality trait/quirk that may demean their “hero” status. The list was a great idea, executed well, to illustrate that humans are humans regardless of their achievements. Case. Point. I’m out. Good job Flame.
77 Flock O’Seagulls
January 15th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
D-Day, you worthless piece of human refuse. If you were in front of me, I’d go Andrew Jackson on your sorry ass. Crawl back into your hole, vermin.
78 Kuban8r
January 15th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
@Jerome (number 51) ya… what gives with that?
79 Zeke
January 15th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
is there supposed to be any truth to this list? C’mon, I’m supposed to believe that Andrew Jackson casually murdered a man in cold blood on the White House lawn and this is the first I’ve ever heard of it? Stretches credulity a little bit too much. Never. Happened.
80 Biotaxon
January 15th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
This is a good list but it’d be a lot better if sources of information were cited. That’d give this site more credibility.
81 ZibbyYamala
January 15th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
aw man what a let down i wanted to see Jesus.
oh well, still nice list tho!
82 ZibbyYamala
January 15th, 2010 at 8:23 pm
oh, i don’t like cats either, . . icky little things.
83 rubysshoes
January 15th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
i must agree with the others who think this was a rather thrown together list with little connection to its own title. but having said that…
the idea of the man who “discovered” gravity never getting it up will have me smirking through the weekend.
84 brubbish223
January 15th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
hmm thats interesting never knew Leonardo da Vinci invinted the sniper rifle thats pretty cool the list is good and quite entertaining!
85 FlameHorse
January 15th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
@ZibbyYamala (81): I wanna see Jesus too, but not tonight.
86 GiantFlyingRobo
January 15th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
@FlameHorse (74): I’m still alright, though?
87 ronsantohof
January 15th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Honestly, I’m not surprised that any of these people are human.
88 RedMan
January 16th, 2010 at 12:45 am
Good thing all these people are dead. Oh by the way Franklin was a pedophile. Yep it’s true but still people kiss his kid raping ass.
89 allie80
January 16th, 2010 at 1:31 am
@Flamehorse (74) agreed. The lists cure my need to read. I don’t come here to see perfection nor fact-check. I appreciate the people who take the time to write them. Nothing has ever been solved by being nasty or hurtful. Constructive critisism is one thing but saying the writers suck is just plain rude.
90 sdfds
January 16th, 2010 at 1:51 am
@Kuban8r (65):
i agree
91 chaka
January 16th, 2010 at 2:12 am
Not having a ‘documented relationship’ with a woman has nothing to do with whether or not Newton was a virgin. There were prostitutes in his day, too.
92 jj
January 16th, 2010 at 7:04 am
@FlameHorse (74):
If you said the sky was blue, most people would agree, but it’s more like you’ve said that it was teal and then got angry when people disagreed.
93 Glass
January 16th, 2010 at 8:51 am
One of the lamest lists this site has ever produced.
94 Moonbeam
January 16th, 2010 at 9:46 am
@FlameHorse (74): I enjoy your lists and yours are typically a cut above many of the others. You impress me with your creativity in coming up with ideas for what to write about. So once again I am sorry to be critical. Normally I fall into the group like @Kuban8r (65): when I try to defend the list creators and comment that the critics here are way too harsh.
As I tried to say in my previous post, maybe I need to accept that this site is just more loose and organic. It’s less polished. It may very well have to do with the nature of Listverse. Because it’s open to everyone to make their own lists, there’s bound to be a wide variety of skill levels in expression and yes – grammar. Sometimes it’s the flaws in life that make things more interesting, appealing and attractive.
As I have also tried to say in the past, I don’t blame the writers, and I don’t blame you. I make errors in my comments all the time. In truth, there are less mistakes on this list than I’ve run across on lists by so many others. My gripe is that the factual errors could lead people into accepting misconceptions as truth – something this site often works to shoot down. But there again, maybe I should let the “buyer beware” and accept that people will believe what they will. After all anyone who relies on web sites for factual information should be prepared for bad info. My wish was that I would’ve liked to have Listverse be a cut above in that regard.
95 Luis
January 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Brahms didn’t kill cats; it was a rumor started by Wagner.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1122514
96 Kufrovich
January 17th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Why is it that on every damn list there is on this site at least one person is shouting, “OMFG THE GRAMMAR IS TEH SUCK.” Now I’m gonna cut you off right now at making some smart ass quip about my grammar because I’m quite intoxicated. I’m simply making a point.
97 Old Hickory
January 17th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Andrew Jackson=STUD
98 nuriko
January 17th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
well… well… well…
99 fielyoung
January 18th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
#1 couldn’t be possibly true. while there could be a possibility that da Vinci indeed thought of bolting a telescope to a musket barrel, he could’t have sniped soldiers off the parapets of an enemy castle, from 1,000 yards because musket rifles are accurate to about 50 yards (46 m) to 70 yards (64 m) only.
just my 2 cents. =)
100 Curved Slightly
January 20th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Is it me or does Leon Alberti look too stylish for the 15th century? His portrait looks like he’s a guy from the 1980s or 90s!
101 Juancho
January 21st, 2010 at 4:09 am
Problem with this list: Some of it’s bogus. Andrew Jackson never murdered “an unidentified newspaper reporter” on the White House lawn. Benjamin Franklin was neither a drunk nor a loudmouth.
How do I know? Because I’ve read complete biographies of both of them.
I assume that the other entries in the list are equally devoid of truth.
102 meh
January 21st, 2010 at 8:11 pm
it was a very fun list to read. the best part was about Tesla and Edison, since i really admire Tesla, and hope Edison will be revealed for the psychopathic fraud that he was to everyone
however, as stated before, you did not reveal human sides per se, but instead the ugly, less glorious sides. i expected it to be about the good humane sides of people widely considered to be evil. it would be a fun topic, since i don’t know anything about it other than hitler’s supposed vegetarianism
103 segues
January 26th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
@meh (102):…”i really admire Tesla”…
****
I always loved it when, as a schoolgirl, my class would go to the Griffith Observatory where there was a very large Tesla Coil. When I was lucky, I would get picked to be one of the children to be “zapped” by the coil, and my waist long hair would stand up all around me with the ends dancing with lights!
104 ashu
February 1st, 2010 at 1:51 am
Cooooooooooool
105 Paddy
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 am
This List makes no sense
106 Avi
May 8th, 2010 at 9:48 am
18:yeah me neither…
107 Erica Butler
July 25th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Andrew Jackson was a BAMF!!