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Today is Good Friday, the day traditionally set aside in the year to remember the death of Jesus on the cross. Good Friday is one of only two days in the year that Roman Catholics do not have Mass. Instead, on this day, most Catholic Churches say the stations of the Cross (these are normally found an pictures around the inside walls of all Churches). In the 12th century, St Francis of Assisi devised the list and started the tradition of reciting it as a type of devotional service. Structurally, Mel Gibson’s 2004 film, The Passion of the Christ, follows the stations. This is the complete list of the 14 stations, as St Francis defined them.
1
First Station
Jesus is condemned to death
2
Second Station
Jesus carries His cross
3
Third Station
Jesus falls the first time
4
Fourth Station
Jesus meets his mother
5
Fifth Station
Simon of Cyrene helps Jesus to carry his cross
6
Sixth Station
Veronica wipes the face of Jesus
Just paying the bills...
7
Seventh Station
Jesus falls the second time
8
Eight Station
Jesus meets the women of Jerusalem
9
Ninth Station
Jesus falls a third time
10
Tenth Station
Jesus’ clothes are taken away
11
Eleventh Station
Jesus is nailed to the cross
12
Twelfth Station
Jesus dies on the cross
13
Thirteenth Station
The body of Jesus is taken down from the cross
14
Fourteenth Station
Jesus is laid in the tomb
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March 21st, 2008 at 3:08 am
damn… what’s a brother gotta do to get a fig?
March 21st, 2008 at 3:40 am
Don’t worry, he’ll be fine. The good guys always are in these kind of movies.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:45 am
I’m just waiting for the obligatory moron to make the comment “How could you possibly have left ____ off this list?!?”
March 21st, 2008 at 4:53 am
How could you possibly left off the part when Jesus logged on to ScottTrade right before the tenth station and bought 20,000 shares of communial wine at cost? He made a killing.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:01 am
Why do Catholics use the cross in worship when idolatry is forbidden in the bible?
March 21st, 2008 at 6:03 am
jayfray: i’ve seen the pictures before in the catholic church but never with any description. thanks for putting them here.
some of those early pictures make Jesus look like a whiner. and i’ve never heard of #6 or #8. i’m pretty sure those aren’t in the Bible. where did st. francis get them from?
March 21st, 2008 at 6:07 am
i’ve always wondered that, myself, jardojo! or why people are still believing that the stories written over 1000 years ago by men of a nomadic, desert dwelling populace, whose only certainties in life where slavery, servitude, sex,or sheep, have any relevance in today’s society? the people who wrote the stories of the bible had no knowledge of the world beyond the middle east, the sand, or petty tribal feuds that resulted in bloodshed during a barbaric and primitive time of early civilization.
ringtailroxy
March 21st, 2008 at 6:10 am
I love the cloth that Jesus has his face wiped with. For some reason, I just don’t think that a perfect recreation of his face would be made from a quick wipe.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:13 am
I like this list. jardojo: what are you talking about? The cross is an idol. The golden calf was an idol because it symbolized being away from God. The cross symbolizes being with God, among other things, so how is that idolatry. Frater, we need as many religious lists as you can for the comment debates and since religion is the most important thing that humans have, in my opinion…
March 21st, 2008 at 6:44 am
the cross is not worshipped by catholics. it is a symbol that reminds us how Jesus died for all humanity.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:53 am
jardojo: as Twinkle and cparker said, it is not worshipped – it is used as a tool to remember the way Jesus died. The same is true of statues of the saints – they are used to remind Catholics of people who lived lives that were holy that should be emulated. This is a very common (and silly) misconception that non-Catholics have. I might have to do a list of misconceptions some time. There are many.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:05 am
thank you twinkle.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:29 am
jfrater: i’d love it if there was a misconceptions about catholics list. as a catholic i’ve been asked some pretty silly things. also, because for some reason i feel like it will come up, catholics do pray to saints, but this is for the saints intervention with God.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:31 am
I didn’t ask why its worshiped, I asked why it is used in worship.
And cparker, why are you so defensive about it? If theres nothing wrong with it you should be proud. Funny little typo you had there- “the cross is an idol.” You must have meant to say “isn’t an idol”. Hmmm, maybe some divine intervention there? lol
The old testament says: You must MAKE no idols.
The new testament says: Be on your guard against idols.
Those aren’t the only referrences made, just 2 of several.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:37 am
There are so many things that I do not believe, but I never make fun out of those who believe. Who knows,they might be right. The world was here long before Iwas born.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:45 am
The thing I never really understood about Catholics is how they seem to deify Jesus’s mother Mary. I could be mistaken about this, as I am not Catholic, but it seems to me that Catholics pray to Mary, indicating an underlying belief that she is omnipresent and omnipotent, that she can hear their prayers and answer them.
Jardojo: The cross is not an idol. Christians do not pray to the cross and ask it to solve their problems, they do not have days of rememberance for the cross Jesus carried…they use the cross in rememberance of Jesus. There is a big difference between iconography and worship.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:47 am
jardojo: for the reasons mentioned above – it is used to help focus the attention of the person praying on Jesus. An idol (as referenced by the Bible) would be an object to which you attach special power that is reserved to God alone – for example an amulet. It would also apply to any object you created that you pray TO in the hopes that the OBJECT will help you. Catholics do not expect any miracles from the objects they use – they are solely for reminders. It is interesting when protestants reject some parts of the Catholic Church while using a Catholic book (the Bible) to prove their position
March 21st, 2008 at 7:53 am
SlickWilly: Catholics believe that everyone in heaven (saints) can hear our prayers – and therefore you can ask them to intercede for you – they are not able to make things happen – but they can appeal to God to do things – it is like getting extra help in your prayers
March 21st, 2008 at 7:53 am
dude i forgot the question mark, kill me
March 21st, 2008 at 8:01 am
jardojo: i did not mean to come across as being defensive. I am actually as non-catholic as they come while still being Christian. My only point was the idol comment. However, I followed Buddhism for 5 years before becoming Christian and at least for me it was a vital stage in finding what I truely believe in. The best part about God is every person has their own distinct idea and relationship or lack thereof that no one else may understand and its not necessary that they do.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:19 am
jfrater: are you Catholic as well? you seem to know a lot.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:25 am
jfrater, Thank you so much for explaining. I know nothing of Catholicism, and have wondered like many. Especially about the whole thing with Mary. Very good, thanks again.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:29 am
alexlwe: I was raised as a Catholic and got a good founding in catechism – luckily I remember much of the stuff we learnt
It helps that the teachings are the same as they always have been so there are lots of resources for finding more information too.
HandyMandy: it is my pleasure
March 21st, 2008 at 8:40 am
Question:: What is the other day of the year that Roman Catholics don’t celebrate Mass?
March 21st, 2008 at 8:50 am
bridget: Holy Saturday – tomorrow. The Churches are stripped bear – all images and statues are covered or removed (this is symbolic of the absence of Jesus between his death – today – and his resurrection on Sunday). Only the last sacraments are allowed on Holy Saturday (that is the special sacrament for people who are dying). Holy Saturday is considered to be the day that Jesus went down to Hell.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:53 am
Wow, I am always learning something new here~ Thanks!
March 21st, 2008 at 8:56 am
For those interested, this is a youtube clip (the first of a series) which shows the stations of the cross service:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:11 am
So if I were to bow down to, pray to, or ask that a cross help me by providing material things then it would be an idol? So then does that mean that an object being an idol is more of a state of mind or attitude than simply being an object made to represent something?
March 21st, 2008 at 9:12 am
Thank you for your answers by the way, Im not trying to be argumentative, Ive just never heard any explanations on the subject..
March 21st, 2008 at 9:26 am
You know the big ‘J’ got a few numbers at station 8. Preying on those chicks that he brainwashed in his cult. Somewhere a fig tree is laughing.
Another thing…if ‘J’ knew that he was going to be carrying that cross, why didn’t he do a little bit of training? He’s all scrawney and emaciated. Why didn’t he turn some dirt into some whey protein and a rock into a squat rack and beef himself up for ‘the big day’? He could have picked up that cross like Eugene Sandow and marched up that path with some dignity.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:30 am
jfrater:
This was a nice one. If only more of us could focus on the pathos and conviction and poetry of Jesus, in examples like this… well… I won’t be puerile about it… but you know what I mean.
Happy Easter, kiwi.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:32 am
I wonder which of the saints is the go-to guy (or girl) to get things done. There are so many of them, there is bound to be number of slackers and goof-offs. These are the saints, for instance, that are out back having a smoke when they should be at their desk filing and forwarding prayer requests. I’m sure two or three are in tight with the big J and can get away with special favors from time to time. The trick is finding out who Jesus’s golf buddy is for the week. My money is on St. Hubbins…
March 21st, 2008 at 9:37 am
No doubt slick…
March madness reduces prayer forwarding thus reducing god’s efficiency by some 25 – 30%. Not a good day to pray.
I go to St. E. Bunny for my late March early April prayers.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:38 am
sometimes general human rudeness and disrespect is unbelievable.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:42 am
Is it Happy Easter or Merry Easter…I don’t want to offend anyone.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:47 am
Alright alright…in all seriousness. Why is ‘J’ wearing an old fasioned dive helmet? He looks kind of like Cuba Gooding Jr.
“Yes Divemaster!”
March 21st, 2008 at 9:52 am
Disc: I completely agree with you.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:07 am
Very fascinating! I wasn’t brought up with any sort of religion, though I’m interested in them all. I love the religion lists I always learn a whole lot. I don’t really know if I believe in the whole “Jesus is the son of God” thing, but from what I’ve read of Jesus, I believe he was at least a real person, and a pretty swell guy at that. Whether we choose to worship him or not, we could all stand to learn something from his teachings.
Also, I’ve never met a Christian of any denomination who worships a cross or any other religious symbol. I thought the cross was worn/displayed in remembrance of Jesus. To honor him and stuff.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:18 am
Those illustrations must be from a European church. In America, or at least in Mexico, the pictures tend to be a little (an sometimes really) bloody. Also, there are crucifix that show a very realistic Jesus nailed and mauled to the cross. I don’t know why the difference.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:21 am
Jfrater ,thanks for posting this list. I am not Catholic but my wife and daughter are. However I do attend Catholic Church every Sunday because my wife sighed me up to be an usher. (Smart woman) Actually I do enjoy going and yes the Stations of the Cross are carved in wood along the walls. I was raised protestant so I never knew about the stations until I started attending Catholic Church.
Hope everyone has a nice Easter (including 666 whom ever that might be)
March 21st, 2008 at 10:24 am
Mt. St. Mary 32 – 27 over Miami at the half! It has divine intervention written ALL over it! You must admit, it is an unfair advantage, I am going to pray my ass off for the Hurricanes during the half! Please don’t bust my bracket ‘J’…I beg you!
March 21st, 2008 at 10:27 am
Blog…thank you, you as well.
You can call me ‘Stan’
March 21st, 2008 at 10:32 am
jardojo, there’s something that you’re not fully understanding here, allow me to explain… idolatry is defined as anything that takes glory away from God.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:38 am
jardojo: you are exactly right – it doesn’t matter what the object is- whether it be a cross, or a rabbit’s foot, if you are hoping to gain some benefit from ITS own power, it is idolatrous. That is why in the bible the people were sinning – they were worshipping the Golden Calf for its own merit.
Jaz013: they are traditional styled images from the Latin rites (West). But you are right – many Western images are very gruesome – in particular those of the Spanish – which will be why they are like that in nations that the Spanish settled.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:39 am
He sure did fall a lot.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:41 am
666: Rumor around the watercooler is that God likes Kansas this year.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:44 am
Expanding on post #33 just a bit:
Imagine the number of souls condemned to the inferno because their death-bed confession sat on some dude’s desk while the said saint snuck out to pound a few pints of guinness with St. Patrick and keep an eye on their brackets. It’s got to be in the millions, maybe more? If some Cristians would be so kind as to give me a rough estimate on the number? Also, is their an appeal process? Maybe to St. Peter?
St. Nick: “Dammit, Pat get your ass in here! You have 12 applications here for redemption that you never filed!…SHIT!”
St. Pat: “Hmmm, let me see them. Oh, he’s doomed, him too, oh well we have to do something about the overcrowding here”.
St. Nick: “I didn’t see nothin’”
St. Pat: “See what?”
March 21st, 2008 at 10:49 am
Slick: Kansas?
It figures, right smack in the middle of the bible-belt. They led the nation in prayers sent, but who knows how many of those got forwarded. Just have to wait and see.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:49 am
It’s a good list as (almost
) always, but I didn’t like the pictures. So maybe I’ll recommend something special: http://www.jasnagora.com/stacjeDrogiKrzyzowej.php?ID=1 for those who won’t fear an encounter with the foreign culture :>. It’s by Polish painter named Jerzy Duda-Gracz and depicts 14 traditional stations and 4 additional ones (The Ressurection, Doubting Thomas, Galilea and The Ascension) . Let’s prove that the true art knows no bonds.
To cycle the paintings click the arrow at the top-right.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:51 am
666: While I found your post #47 to be incredibly funny, I take issue with one point: I seriously *doubt* that heaven is overcrowded. Because all of us informed individuals that regularly watch South Park know that only Mormons get in to heaven.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:53 am
I don’t know but don’t you think its too violent to the eyes of the children to see a man nailed in a cross?
March 21st, 2008 at 10:56 am
Ah, my fault Slick.
Being ignorant on the subject of what type of ID you need to enter the pearly gates, I wonder what a fake Mormon ID goes for on the black market. Any devout Mormons here who can help?
March 21st, 2008 at 10:57 am
magnidude: I really dislike those images – though I am sure the artist is a great one – I prefer traditional religious images.
Mikerodz: Do you think that is worse than much of what they see in films and on TV these days?
March 21st, 2008 at 10:59 am
RE: post #41
My prayers were OBVIOUSLY answered! Miami is up 8 early in the second half! You have made me a believer ‘J’!
March 21st, 2008 at 11:02 am
jfrater: I didn’t know the Spanish also used the more gruesome style. Personally, I like it. In those illustrations it appears like Jesus is in someway taking a walk. Even when the romans are nailing him to the cross, the expression on His face makes the whole scene look a little fake. It’s not that I like the blood. Is just that I think the romanticized style just take all the strength in the massage that those images are suppose to represent.
The most gruesome illustration I’ve seen is from a church in Mexico, called The Calvary, in the 11, 12 and 13 Stations, Jesus is almost completely painted red, and there are even more details (like the wound from the spear in His ribs).
March 21st, 2008 at 11:06 am
666: Unfortunately, while a good idea, you’re not the first to have it, and Heaven’s reference database is simply years ahead of the curve. There is a special kind of hell that exists for holders of fake LDS ID’s, and I can tell you right now…it ain’t pretty.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:09 am
RE: Post #45
Joni,
That is because P. Pilot stole the Nike AIR Jesus sandals right off of his feet and made him go bare foot, his traction must have gone directly to hell after that.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:13 am
@666
Kansas isn’t in the middle of the bible belt.
They’re actually on the edge (some don’t even consider it a part of the bible belt, surprisingly).
The bible belt normally refers to where the Southern Baptists Church is very prominent.
Map: http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo200/religion/baptist.gif
March 21st, 2008 at 11:15 am
Kind of startling to me to be scrolling down and come across a hot chick’s ass in a thong for one of the adverts in the middle of the stations.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:18 am
Hahaha…”Air” Jesus. Ahh…beautiful blasphemy. Happy Easter, everybody!
March 21st, 2008 at 11:18 am
RE: post #56
Slick,
All is not lost yet, if heaven is not over-crowded then hell must be! That means there will be many more applications accepted for a level I demon to haunt Earth for eternity ( a better gig than manning some desk, filing prayers for eternity)
March 21st, 2008 at 11:36 am
666: It’s possible. You ARE right about the overcrowding in hell, but that in itself brings a whole other set of problems. The first and foremost being that, because hell is becoming so overcrowded – the damned literally walking on the damned – there is a huge need for expansion to meet the growing population needs. Most likely you’d be regulated to hard physical labor for eternity, clearing land, digging pits and rerouting lava flows to correspond to the heaviest traffic areas. It’s tough, back-breaking work, not nearly as much fun as as even an entry-level position in the EBDC (Earthbound Demon Corp.) and unfortunately, the seniority system rules in hell. The oldest souls get the best slice of the pie…of course its a pie made from goat shit and the blood of sacrificial virgins – quite a nasty bit, if I do say so myself – but if you got to eat it, it’s at least benificent to get the best-looking slice. How’s Miami looking?
March 21st, 2008 at 11:37 am
Mine is an innocent question.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:38 am
Jrafter-
So if its an act or thought of trying to get material gain, etc., out of an object that makes it an idol, how is an idol created? Referring back to my quote above: The Isrealites were not to make an idol.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:38 am
English in not my tongue.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:43 am
Mikerodz: Yes, it is. I personally would not like my (future) children to watch a man being physically nailed to anything. I’d imagine it would be traumatizing. If, however, you are referring to the images of Jesus being nailed to the cross – and I imagine you are, since in this day and age people don’t often get nailed to large pieces of wood – there is a religious context behind it and, should I choose to raise my kids Christian, I would want them to be familiar with it. It is the graphic imagery that inspires the visceral feeling of awe and penitence for a man whose incredibly horrific earthly demise was the source of inspiration and salvation of billions of souls the world over.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:43 am
Catholics using a cross to remember Jesus is like rappers using a gun to remember Tupac. why memorialize the weapon of death?
March 21st, 2008 at 11:45 am
Jfrater: How come I had 254 comments yesterday and now I’m down to 237? Does the site automatically take posts away from you for some reason? Are the old comments being deleted?
March 21st, 2008 at 11:46 am
jardojo: physically? I guess you can make it any way you like – carve it out of wood – pour it out of metal…. If you mean mentally – it is entirely up to the person – some people idolize money – others idolize statues of Buddha, and some idolize a book (the Bible).
Oh – and it isn’t necessarily trying to get material gain – the actual definition is attributing to something other than God, power that is only God’s. It may not involve material goals – if you pray to a block of wood thinking the block of wood can answer your prayers, you are committing idolatry.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:46 am
RE: post #62
Slick,
It sure seems like I am in a bad way then. Not having the desire to commit atrocities here on Earth, but yet not wanting to be an answering service for the big ‘J’. I fear I am doomed.
I am sure ‘The Dark One’ makes exceptions for the most evil Earth-lings. Hitler must be a sort of “saint” in hell? It doesn’t follow that ‘TDO’ would punish his prized pupils and make them wait centuries to get an entry-level gig in the EBDC? Maybe they go right into mgt.?
March 21st, 2008 at 11:47 am
copperdragon: Because in Jesus’ case, the weapon of his death is also the symbol of our salvation. The bible celebrates Jesus’s death and subsequent resurrection as the most important story in the Christian canon. Christians use the cross as a way of commemorating that, through his death we were given everlasting life.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:53 am
666: That is an interesting dichotomy that I’ve often considered. If hell is considered eternal punishment for our sins, then Satan is basically the other end of God’s little measuring stick, essentially doing his dirty work by punishing the souls that didn’t worship God. However, I thought Satan hated God and wanted to bring down heaven and establish himself as the omnipotent ruler…so why would he do what God tells him to do? Why would he punish people like Hitler and Stalin and Pol Pot, when he could be using them to streamline his battle strategy? Why punish the masses when he could use them to add depth to his ground forces? It just seems counterintuitive.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:55 am
copperdragon:
There’s a big difference between the sublime sacrifice of Jesus and the murder of a rap artist with gang connections.
The cross is a symbol of the multi-meaning of Jesus’ death on the cross. It isn’t simply the means by which he met that death.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:55 am
slickwilly: it updates every day and includes only the last 30 days of comments.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:57 am
Your introduction is wrong. Good Friday is the ONLY day of the year that Mass is not prayed. Also, the Stations of the Cross are prayed every Friday during Lent. In place of Mass, Catholic churches have the Veneration of the Cross and a short Eucharistic service.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:01 pm
RE: post #72
Slick,
Maybe Satan draws a large pension from the Big ‘J’s coffers? St. Peter discreetly writes a check (bi-weekly ofcourse).
A man with advanced degrees in torture, death, racism and evil (like Hitler) should NOT be re-directing lava channels or roasting souls over an open pit.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:02 pm
That doesnt really answer my question. According to several posts here, an idol isn’t so much an object but a mindset of the person in its presence. So how do you “make” an idol?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Philmont: I am not incorrect – the stations are optional during the year – they are not even obligatory on Good Friday.
According to Wikipedia:
And for Holy Saturday:
March 21st, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Oh – as an addendum to my last comment – if your parish is having Mass on Saturday or Friday, you need to write to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments as your priest is breaching the law of the Church.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:07 pm
These comments have me rolling on the floor. 666, SlickWilly, romeozombie, Spocker, you guys are fucking hilarious! Thanks for brightening up my Friday.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:07 pm
jardojo: an idol is any object to which you attribute the power of God. Full stop. Virtually anything can be an idol.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:07 pm
RE: post #73
Randall,
WHY is there a “big difference”? I believe the analogy to be very good.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:21 pm
RE: post #67
Cop,
After thinking about it, the Christians have it all wrong! The cross was not the actual “instrument of death”. The spikes can’t even be said to be the “instrument”, because they would have been pounded in so tightly as to prevent massive blood loss. People who were ’strung up like sheep’ on a cross in those god-forsaken days dyed of DEHYDRATION! The sun was the “instrument”. Copernicus was a true Christian!
A better trick would have been for Jesus to ‘just not dye’, simply refuse. Just hang on the cross for infinity, mocking P. Pilot, not drinking or eating…just hang and mock.
Peter: “ahh, Jesus, I think you made your point, let me cut you down now”
Paul: “Yeah, Pilot dyed 40 years ago”
Mary: (weeping) “Please my son, come down”
Jesus: “NEVER!”
March 21st, 2008 at 12:22 pm
666: Personally, I think you’re right. The devil has got to be getting some under-the-table kickbacks from heaven’s GNP. I mean, afterall…if the devil didn’t did what he do, who would there be to scare the living shit out of believers into worshipping God? Heaven’s entire economy is based on Satan’s appropriation of souls and labor structure. Not to mention the little caveat that if God is omnipotent, and his eternal enemy is Satan, why else would he not just wiggle his nose and make Senor Diablo and his ilk vanish into the ether? Cause otherwise everyone would get into heaven, and the quality of the real estate would go down. You gotta keep out the riff-raff somehow.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Wow those pictures you used are exactly the same ones that were hanging up in our classroom when I was in Catholic School.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:25 pm
666: Actually, death on the cross was most often by asphyxiation. The condemned’s legs would finally give out after hours of struggling to hold the body up against the pain of the nails, and their chest muscles would be unable to contract. Hence, they would die by choking to death. By the way, this conversation is treading the lines of good taste even by my standards, which are decidedly low. Lets keep the absurdist repartee going and forego mocking Christians outright. It’s much funnier for all involved.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Indeed Slick,
So the cross should be replaced with the foot spikes? Do any of the 17,000 different sects have foot pegs as their preferred ‘gold-pieces’?
Just taking things to its logical conclusions
March 21st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
666: No, the cross is and always has been the traditional symbol of Chrisitanity, rather like the Star of David for the Jews. The shape of the cross is what causes death by asphyxiation, whether nails or rope are used to attach the condemned to it. It wouldn’t have mattered if nails were used or not. I seem to recall somewhere in my Christian upbringing hearing that the thieves that died with Jesus were only tied to the cross and not nailed to it, though they died in much the same way. If we are going by the logic of which icon is the cause of Jesus’s death, it’s still the cross, no matter which way you look at it.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Ok, I’m glad that’s cleared up. Jesus must have gotten the spikes because he was ‘high profile’. Spikes were not wasted on the common thief who stole a loaf of bread?
Just think how much cash we could have made minting all of those gold spikes though. Damn shame.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:51 pm
RE: post #86
Lets take the condemned who has a very high tolerence for pain and is able to overcome the pain of the spikes (easier if you were just tied), would this individual dye of dehydration? or is asphyxiation inevitable?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:53 pm
666: Oh I know. Snake-oil salesmen for the new millenium. We could have a killing. Maybe we should start our own scientology-like cult that worships golden spikes. We could pattern it on modern Christianity, only *we* would fool the weak into the thinking the path to salvation is fondling pieces of gold. We could charge them for it and make a mint. What do you think Jamie, being the outspoken proponent for scientology that you are?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:57 pm
666: It depends on how long the person could hold themselves up. Death by dehydration occurs after about 96 hours without water. Do you think *you* could hold yourself up in such an awkward position for more than 96 hours, when every tiny movement you made simply increased the pain and stress? I’m not saying everyone who was crucified died of asphyxiation, just that it was most likely the most common way of death associated with the cross. Oh, and “dye” means to stain a fabric a particular color. I think you mean “die.”
March 21st, 2008 at 12:58 pm
“We could have MADE a killing” was what I meant to say (#91). No pun intended.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Indeed! Die! As in ‘caput’, ‘lights out’, ‘the long sleep’, ‘the eternal repose’.
But in the hot, blazing sun you could die in as little as 8 hours. Did Jesus leave a memoir or a journal about his ordeals on the cross? Maybe he had some witty banter with his fellow condemned? You know to pass the time and all.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:30 pm
ah man, i hope jesus is true.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Slick: Freudian slip?
March 21st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Another common misconception (for that upcoming list, Jamie): Why do Catholics pray to saints? My religious teacher in college gave us the nitty-gritty on this. He said that Catholics actually don’t pray to saints, they use saints as an assistant in prayer, ones who have certain specializations.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:44 pm
666: It’s funny that you mention that. First, according to the bible he did exchange some words with the thieves, though I wouldn’t go so far as to call it witty banter. I believe one of the thieves mocked him and challenged him that, if he were the son of god, to come down from the cross and save himself. The other expressed his support of Jesus and Jesus told him something along the lines of “Today you shall walk with me in heaven.” Secondly, there are no records of Jesus’s crucifiction, so any and all accounts of the last day of Jesus’s life, as expressed by the passion story and including the 14 stations, are complete fabrications by the writers of the gospels, starting first with Mark, who took from Paul’s first writings in the new testament the idea that Jesus died on the cross (expressed only in a simple, unelaborated, pithy statment.) and growing in grandeur until John, where the passion story is most fully elaborated.
I’d believe it, about the dying in the sun as such. Without water and under a burning sun, the body can succumb to heat stroke rather quickly, and left untreated, the person can lapse into a coma and die shortly thereafter.
Angelina: Maybe.
I prefer “Freudian lips” myself.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:45 pm
I lived in the very small town of Schwarzenborn in Germany when I was in 11th grade. We had extensive woods with logging roads behind our house. On these trails and roads was the most beautiful set of The Stations that I have ever seen, just nailed to trees intermittently. Good list. I am not christian but can absolutely appreciate the story telling and iconography in catholic art items.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:48 pm
This is so going to make a lot of religious debates, just check back in, oh, 3 hours.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:49 pm
HOLY SHIT! I got the 100th comment(yes I know, spamming, but HOLY SHIT I did it.)
March 21st, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Slick: Talk about blatant product placement. . .oh wait, wrong list.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Angelina: Drink cold refreshing Pep… Shit! Wrong list. (That’s product placement, by Sprite, lemon-lime taste.)
March 21st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Begging your pardon – Catholics may not celebrate Mass these days on Good Friday, but they used to. I was a schoolgirl in the 1960’s, and we went to morning Mass every day of Lent, including Good Friday.
What was your source for the statement?
March 21st, 2008 at 1:55 pm
RE: post #97
Cedestra,
Do these “specialist” saints have to pass a certain certification course? Or do they go to ’saint school’ after they get their basic ’saint card’. Do they have to intern for a period of time? Or are some saints just prodigy’s?
St. Peter: “I do believe this gentleman in India—Ghandi is going to make one hell of a saint, I do say!”
Jesus: “The bastard beat his wife! NEVER!”
St. Patrick: (pouring a guinness draught from under his desk) “He was a young man Petey, I filed his redemption papers 8 years ago for that, and they were approved, so case closed.”
Jesus: “Damn you and your guinness Paddy!”
March 21st, 2008 at 1:55 pm
slick: why do you say that the stories are “complete fabrications by the writers of the gospels”?
March 21st, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Csimmons: You’ll always be 101st in my heart!
March 21st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
666: I thought it took 9 years to approve those paper? Oh shit that someone else.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Disc: Because there were no written records of Jesus’s crucifixion, and the first of the gospels was not penned until approximately 60 years after Jesus’s death. If an oral tradition existed prior to this time, why was it not expounded in Paul’s writings, particularly considering how important the story is to the Christian faith? It doesn’t make sense that these stories happened as written some 6 or 7 decades after the fact and not be included in the first writings by Paul, who obviously acknowledges that Jesus died on the cross, but chooses only to let it rest at that, if such other things, if they did indeed happen, would fully flesh out the resurrection story. No, my opinion and others far more qualified than I, is that the stories as written are parables in the normal bible tradition, metaphorical stories that aim to put into the words the power that early Christians perceived in the Jesus experience. Not saying that Jesus didn’t exist or that he didn’t die on the cross…all logical evidence says that he did. However, the logic does not point to the passion story being a literal account of history.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:05 pm
materkb: Well – my sources were the current Church laws, but here is the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia which agrees with me – there is no Mass on Good Friday – this is an ancient custom which has not changed.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06643a.htm
March 21st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Cedestra: technically, Catholics DO pray to saints – but the prayers are then offered BY those saints to God in support of our own prayers
March 21st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Oh, well. Another instance of the childhood tyranny of the nuns: because we were most certainly at Mass that morning.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I made another “Freudian lips” in my post #98. I typed “crucifiction” instead of “crucifixion” and, while funny in retrospect, was an accident and not intended as an editorial. That is all. Thank you.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:09 pm
jfrater:When’s my C.I.L.F. list going up? I would ask you on the forums but I can’t fin them
March 21st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Slick: I like you. . . you’re crazy. . . but I like you.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
comment above refers to a previous list.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
materkb: I believe what you might have attended was a liturgy and not Mass. Jfrater posted this a little earlier, but I’ll repeat it here for the sake of reference:
“Unlike Roman Catholic services on other days, the Good Friday liturgy is not a Mass as it lacks the consecration, the central element to the Mass, and in fact, celebration of Mass on Good Friday is forbidden” — Wikipedia
I know next to nothing about Catholic practices, but I just noticed this discrepency and thought I’d point it out.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
materk: you do realize that Catholic Church services are not the same as Mass don’t you? Mass is when there is a consecration of the bread and wine on the altar – that is forbidden (and has been for centuries) on Good Friday and Holy Saturday.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Csimmons: If Jessica Rabbit isn’t #1, then you’re gonna have some real problems. Assuming I’m understanding the “C” in the proper context.
Angelina: I like you too. I don’t know if you’re crazy, but I’ve got plenty enough to share.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I’ve been called worse.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
slick: You have the “C” right, and I’ll tell you she’s in the top 5, but I won’t tell you where she is, although the choice was hard, as was I when I first saw her.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Thanks, folks, but I know – and knew then – the difference between a Mass and any other Catholic service. I sang the Masses, for one thing – in Latin, for the most part, until the vernacular version came in in the late 60’s. So, no, it was Mass: the whole liturgical service, complete with Offertory, Consecration and (big giveaway here!) Communion being dispensed.
I’m sure you are correct about your sources, jfrater – but they are only the official line, not necessarily what was being done at the local parish level. I was just curious about those sources – and thank you for sharing them. I was in no doubt about what was happening at my church.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
As a Methodist, I find these sorts of articles and discussions fascinating.
666 et al: Funniest stuff I’ve heard in years!
March 21st, 2008 at 2:43 pm
materk: as long as you realize that what happened at your church was a liturgical abuse that is fine. Additionally – before the sixties why were you singing (I presume you are a woman (your nickname being latin for mother)) when the Church forbade women from singing in the choir in Church?
March 21st, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Why thank you Method man! Say hello to the ole dirty bastard for me!
March 21st, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Yes, I know what my nickname means, thank you.
If Mass on Good Friday was an abuse, then there is reason No. 6,000-odd why I am going to Hell. Certainly, at the time, no one bothered to notify the Diocese.
As to singing in the choir – again, here is that deadly difference between theory and practice. I sang in the choir from the age of 6 (which was 1959, BTW). I sang my own First Communion Mass in Latin, the following year. I sang in the choir every Sunday and many weekday services until I was 14. Nor was I alone – our choir was primarily female, we took Dioscese awards for our singing, and the local bishop and the Cardinal of Los Angeles heard and applauded us. More liturgical abuse, I guess.
You are taking an amazing amount of offense at this. Are you Catholic, or were you raised as such? Are you, perhaps, a monastic, as your own nickname suggests? Or are you just judgemental, and perhaps unaware that there can be quite a gap between official policy and parish-level activity?
March 21st, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Materkb,
You are clearly doomed. Your only hope is to pray to a saint that “specializes” in your unique sort of sin, and hope that ‘Paddy’ doesn’t have him out getting sloshed on Guinness. Being 6 years old is NO excuse, you will burn anyway! I will see if I can get you a gig roasting people who stole library books, the pay sucks and the heat is unbearable, but it’s a living.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:20 pm
materkb: don’t get me wrong – the abuse was not the people at the Mass – it was the priests for saying Mass when it is forbidden. I didn’t mean to come across as judgmental – and I am well aware of the gap between the official policy and parish level activity – the current Pope is trying to fix that problem – many parishes are ignoring the directions from the vatican and are, as a result, causing great destruction in the Church. No matter what any parish priest or even Bishop says – they are obliged to do what Rome says – there is a famous saying in the Church – Roma est locutus est. – that means “Rome has spoken” – when Rome speaks – all are OBLIGED to follow – if they don’t they are mortally sinning. It doesn’t matter how many Bishops or priests abuse their positions – even if they all did – they would still be wrong if it goes against the eternal teachings of the Church.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Materkb,
Sacrafice a chicken, and then throw three bloodied chicken feathers over your left (it has to be the left) shouldar at the stroke of mid-night while chanting red rum, red rum, red rum. That should ‘cure’ you from your “mortal” sin.
Merry Easter everyone!
March 21st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Hey, 666:
Oh, I am doomed, I’m sure. And in fact my estimate of only 6,000 reasons for me to burn in hell is probably low. However, the age of reason being officially 7 years ofl age, I believe I sneak in under the radar on the singing in church when I was 6 offense. As for roasting library thieves: that sounds great!
March 21st, 2008 at 3:36 pm
jfrater: let us agree not to take offense at one another. Nor blame the sheep for the behaviour of the shepherds; lots of parishioners simply follow their priests pastorial lead. If they researched everything they saw or heard, they would be Protestants.
Though I think the phrase is “Roma locutus est”. And it only pertains to matters of faith and morals. I remain unconvinced one can, for instance, add failure to recycle to the list of sins, mortal or venial.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Its him! In station #3!
The man behind the fallen Jesus! Its George Carlin! Wow, he’s older than I thought! I’m sure this is going to hurt his chances for a small piece of cloud in heaven!
March 21st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
materkb: no one has added to the list of deadly sins – it was a misinterpretation from the mainsteam media. The fact remains – you must obey the traditions of the Church or you are not Catholic. And frankly, if many parishoners researched what their pastors did – they would be more Catholic – because many pastors are simply doing what they want – THAT is protestantism – rejecting the truths that the Church has always held for their own personal opinions. And it is also important to realise that the Church has always taught that Catholics must follow the Pope in all things unless he breaches that which has always been believed – it is protestant to believe that you must only believe the infallible decrees of the Church.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
jfrater: why aren’t the abusive/disrespectful posts on this list being deleted. its ruining this comment board. im not at all religious, quite the contrary actually. i think its struggle to keep up with society is damaging our culture. but those posts are not productive and they have no right to patronize. that kind of sense of entitlement is exactly what i think is wrong with religion, yet none of the religious people are bullying like they are. funny comments are great but if those posts were on a non-religious or an anti-religious list they wouldn’t even be funny because their only purpose is to patronize, everything they’ve said could be said in a respectful way. if they want to bully they can go to a different site. i hate to see this happen to the listverse.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
jfrater: not deadly sins, just sins, period. There are more sins than the classic deadly 7; although it could be argued that all sins could be viewed as facets of these 7. In which case, does failure to recycle come under the aegis of sloth or greed? Interesting question.
I must protest again, though; I was taught that while the Pope was God’s steward, he was only to be obeyed without question in matters of faith and morals. You seem to be calling for 1) individual judgement and responsibility (which I applaud) and 2) unquestioning obediance – simultaneously. Can’t have it both ways.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
What happened to the advert between station 6 and 7? The one with Jesus propositioning a G-string clad ’streetwalker’? It has been removed, unfortunatly.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Kazorek,
Many people have enjoyed the satire in some posts and have said as much, if you don’t like them…just skip forward or read another list.
To each his own.
And Happy New Year!
March 21st, 2008 at 4:02 pm
jardojo-
with regards to the guidance of not creating an idol…i think that refers specifically to created any object intended to be used as an idol. as jfrater says, anything can be an idol.
making anything with the expressed purpose of being an idol would violate that guidance.
however, holding anything up as an idol (whether you actually built it or not) can also be interpreted as “creating” and idol.
JFrater….great list, and great discussion…i’m glad you know your stuff. it’s good that you’ve been able to answer questions and explain some of the misconceptions.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
materkb: first point: not recycling is not a sin – it never has been and never will be. thus it is not relevant here.
Second point: If the pope speaks in accord with Tradition – regardless of whether it is with the protection of infallibility, Catholics must obey him – because disobeying is denying sacred Tradition which is is ALSO infallible. There is no individual judgement involved. Tradition is set in concrete and we all have access to those teachings.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Ah, being a Methodist seems so much less of a hassle. Not even the old conservative farts bat an eye when some pierced up goth walks in to service. Just to ME (no one is qualified to judge anyways), but a lot of Catholicism seems to mostly ritualistic to the point of looking like a play on stage. Like I said, I haven’t gone to a Catholic church for 15 years, so I can’t judge (not like you should), but is it true that Sunday sermons last for like 3 hours?
March 21st, 2008 at 4:17 pm
best list, so far.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:24 pm
MethodMan-
to your last question, no, sunday sermons are not 3 hours long generally. in my experience, and hour is more accurate for the entire service.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:30 pm
I don’t agree with the use of the cross. Since it was brought out not only in the christian greek scriptures to not use “idols”, it was also a law to the jews to not make idols, which by everyone elses definition doesn’t really make sense because its not an idol until its venerated. Which still raises the question, how do you “make an idol”.
What does make sense to me is that you wouldn’t make an object that would obviously have some form of religous relevance and then use it in your worship, have it in your place of worship, wear it around your neck, etc.
And even if its true that its not intended to deliberately break a law by using idols in worship, why have one in the church where others may make the mistake of praying to it, venerating it, etc. You may not venerate it, but someone else might.
The law to not make idols had to be put in place for a reason. God must have known that some people would succumb to the temptation of using them. Why have it around if thats the case? You say your not venerating it, what about the 13 year old sitting down the row from you? What about the person thats visiting your church for the first time? Why even have it around if its so important to not use objects in worship?
I’d rather be safe and not use them, so thats my decision.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
the cross, in it’s intended use is not an idol.
i’m sure that some people mistakenly treat the cross as an idol. but it’s intended purpose is not to be prayed to.
by definition, that means the cross is not an idol in the form that it is used in the church.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:39 pm
just some stuff:
how have these been incorporated into the believer’s life? Does each station have symbolic meaning or “hidden knowledge”? Or are these to be taken, based off what some have said, as truth. Jesus fell not once but thrice- is this for the father, the son and the holy ghost?
Meeting one’s mother along the route to one’s execution. A wrongfull closure?
the day after the world trade center buildings were hit by planes, Tee shirts were allready being sold on the streets showing a big eagle head floating next to the smoking towers, with a tear in its eye (God Bless The USA) . Momento mori?
Union square, among other places became a mass display of a shared wail, a tangable dispair.
The Time Machine question is, Whould you go back to witness Jesus first hand? His crucifixion?
My thought is that beliefs and soul connections to truth, dont want the real thing, but the amalgamated complexities that have stemmed from the source…which becomes its own real thing.
and speaking of things
i’m not all that good at this comment thing.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:42 pm
jardojo-
i see your point, but the same could be said of the alter, or a pew, or anything else.
the law or rule is a form of education in itself, reminding those who believe, that prayers should be addressed to god, and not to any symbol or object.
the 13 year old sitting down the row from you, if a catholic, should be educated in the catholic faith, meaning that they would understand not to pray to the cross itself.
the first time visitor to the church, if a catholic, should also know not to pray to the cross itself. if they are not a catholic, but intend to become one, they should educate themselves in the catholic faith, at which point they would understand that they should not pray to the cross itself.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:44 pm
or are we to leave the last moments of Jesus’s life alone. That It has nothing to do with us.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:52 pm
isn’t the cross one of the oldest symbols of the cosmos?
its like a machine?
March 21st, 2008 at 5:03 pm
JFRATER:”jardojo: physically? I guess you can make it any way you like – carve it out of wood – pour it out of metal…. If you mean mentally – it is entirely up to the person – some people idolize money – others idolize statues of Buddha, and some idolize a book (the Bible).”
J-I know that you were giving an example, but please don’t make assumptions about other religions such as Buddhism-the likeness of the Buddha (which btw is NOT the little fat man, he is the “lucky buddha”, just a good luck charm–why Buddha is tacked on there, I don’t know) ANYWAY–the likeness of Buddha in statues, etc. are respected not worshipped. Like memorials–much like memorials fro war heros etc.–It’s actually not at all Buddhist to “worship” ANYONE…including the first earthly Buddha, Sidhartha Gautama. So no, Buddhist don’t worship Buddha statues.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:06 pm
All this talk about some schizophrenic Middle Eastern ex-carpenter zombie from two thousand years ago makes me want chocolate.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pm
The church does have mass on good friday. i went today. the stations are done today as well, and you can go to those instead of mass as it is a holy day of obligation.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
You are right, Stations of the cross is competely optional. However, Mass is said on Holy Saturday. It is called the Easter Vigil. It is also the longest Mass of the year because that’s when we bring in all new converts. Don’t believe everything on Wikipedia.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:21 pm
who cares?
March 21st, 2008 at 9:35 pm
dont worry, he’ll be back…jesus always comes back
March 21st, 2008 at 9:45 pm
666: why do you insist on not call Jesus by name?
March 21st, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Um… cool?
March 22nd, 2008 at 2:44 am
I visit this site very much and read the list and comments all of the time and always learn something new from everyone who contribute. Now, I finally decide to contribute a little something of my own
I think jfrater is right about no mass on Friday/Saturday. Here in Michigan the catholic churches i go to anyway don’t have mass on Good Friday instead people walk in say a little prayer and then leave. (all the statues pictures are covered in a black cloth). But all of the other Fridays during lent they have mass and also during that mass they go to every station of the cross and say a prayer. I’m speaking for the catholic churches i have been to not for all but they should be the same i assume?
March 22nd, 2008 at 2:49 am
Think of a Crucifix this way: If you see a Catholic that is holding the Crucifix from their necklace in their hand, they are using it as a cellphone to God.
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:06 am
Philmont237: the Easter vigil is the Mass of Easter Sunday – not Holy Saturday. The fact that it occurs late at night on Saturday does not mean it is a Holy Saturday Mass. If you attend it, you do not need to go to Mass on Sunday during the day as your obligation has been fulfilled. And believe me – I was only using Wikipedia as a reference for people here to see it written down – I already knew it to be a fact
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:18 am
jardojo: Firstly, why would anyone walk in to a church, see a crucifix or cross, and suddenly decide to worship it? They would have to be told to do surely – and they are NOT told it in the Greek or Roman Catholic Churches.
As for your constant returning to the scriptural admonition against idols – that must be understood in the context of the bible as a whole surely because I am certain you don’t think the Bible contradicts itself. What then, are we to make of this:
“In the most holy place he made two carved cherubim and overlaid them with gold” (2 Chron. 3, 10)
“In the inner sanctuary he made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high” (1 Kgs. 6, 23)
I think these comments clearly indicate that the Jews (and then later the Catholics) understood the difference between an idol as condemned, and an object to enhance worship (such as the carved angels mentioned above).
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:27 am
I haven’t been to church in many years. I remember we only had 12 Stations of the Cross on Good Friday. I don’t remember anything being covered up in the church on Good Friday.
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:33 am
Drogo: everything is covered from about 2 weeks before Good Friday right up to the Easter Sunday Mass (said late on Saturday night) when everything is unveiled in a big ceremony.
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:38 am
materkb: I forgot to mention, I am not a monk – my nickname is taken from my first name “Jamie” and my surname: “Frater” – it is a Scottish surname with some origin many years ago in Latin obviously
If you click the “About” link at the top of the page you will see that 
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:47 am
There must be small differences of customs due to regions. Materkb says her church did Mass on Good Friday. My church didn’t cover statues and images. I have a vague memory of going to a Mass, in a different town, where they did something that wasn’t familiar to me.
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:56 am
I just talked to my mom. The church of her hometown, where I was baptized, covers stuff with purple cloth, but not the church where I went to grade school. They are 4 miles from each other.
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:57 am
jrafter-
Yes, that was in the tabernacle. I know that the ark of the covenant had cherubs on them, I’m guessing that is what that scripture is citing. The tabernacle and then later the temple built by Solomon was very elaborately decorated. The thing is that the tabernacle was a physical representation of what was to come, namely the kingdom of God. When Jesus came to earth and died, was ressurected, there was no longer a need for that representation (of course, there are people that would debate that).
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:00 am
jayfray: i posed a question earlier that didn’t get answered. i don’t remember stations #6 and 8 from being in a catholic church as a child. i don’t find them in scripture. do you know where st. francis got them from?
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:37 am
RE: post #155
Axelrod,
No reason. Maybe to add some comic relief to the very serious, dry, and beat-the-hell-out-of-the-horse-issue of:
1) wether praying to two intersected pieces of wood or some metal is considered “idolotry”! or 2) wether if one of the sectarian differences in one of the local cults is breaking canon law—thus sinning mortally and condemned to a fire pit located in downtown Detroit.
One must admit, my story (post #47) of St. Patrick pounding pints of Guinness while keeping an eye on his March Madness brackets, while ignoring the ‘aplications’ from the condemned is no more absurd than covering inanimate statues with cloth because it was done that way a long time ago by some megalomaniac dictator pope!
Lob me another one Axl, please!
Absurd is what absurd does!
P.s. I read that Popey Benedict didn’t eat his spinanch and refused to carry some cross to some ceremony or other, thus breaking church law. Does this mean he is condemned? Or does Popey get to play Texas Holdem’ with wild cards while everyone else must play straight? Well blow me down!
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:41 am
DiscHuker: they are from Tradition – they are things known about the Passion that are not written in the Bible. They are not meant to be excluded if you are using the proper original set of stations. There are other stations that have been used in modern times that exclude non-Biblical aspects (which I don’t like) but they are not used very often and I think they still have 14 stations (or even 16).
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:42 am
Drogo: Mass is forbidden on Good Friday – full stop. If her parish did it they were in breach of Church law and the pastor of the parish needs to bring himself in line. Regional customs are approved occasionally but they don’t breach Church law
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:43 am
jfrater: Have you recieved my new CILF list? and if you have, will it go up.
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:57 am
Does anyone else notice the resemblence of the gentleman in plate #3. This gentleman is about to give jesus a well-deserved wallop on the cranium with what appears to be an ancient ‘billy-club’. Seeing that ‘J’ is all knowing, he must know it’s coming—which must make it sting all the more.
But, I digress. Back to the elder gentleman wielding the club, why is George Carlin so angry with jesus? Did jesus steal his wife and do unspeakable things to her in the name of the cult? Someone please shed some light on this mortal sinner!
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:09 am
666: No, Jesus had a threesome with his wife and sister, that’s why he was so pissed. Turns out being a cult leader has its perks.
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:10 am
Csimoons: I have yes – thanks
I am not sure when it will go up but it will.
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:13 am
jfrater: Thanks, but use the newest one, it has the dates right, Thanks though
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:13 am
oh, and who is “Csimoons” I don’t know him
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:14 am
Thank you C,
I knew that jesus must have done something to that fine gentleman to make him so irate.
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:22 am
What about PAX? That seems like an obvious “station of the cross”.
Wakka wakka.
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:39 am
I have also seen quite a few on this board try to define what idolatry means. I don’t think its up to man to determine that; it was God that made the law, its up to him. Take murder for example; some men feel that abortion is murder, others don’t. Some men feel that war constitutes murder, others don’t. I don’t care what a man’s definition of idolatry is, its up to God to decide that. Again, why risk adverse judgment?
If someone tells me that they’re not using objects of worship in that way then in their mind they’re right, at least it doesn’t hurt their conscience. But I do know that the common denominator of what constitutes an idol is an object or symbol that is used in worship.
The only thing that would change my mind on the matter would be if I read a passage in the bible where the first-century christians used the cross in their worship, wore it around their neck, used it in any way, etc. I would be very interested in reading that passage if anyone could direct me there.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:25 am
“and (big giveaway here!) Communion being dispensed”
You’re wrong, materkb, that’s not a “big giveaway” at all. Communion may be, and is in this case, distributed outside of the Mass.
On Maundy Thursday the sanctuary is stripped and all consecrated Hosts are removed to a place outside of the church. These consecrated Hosts are distributed during the services on Good Friday and Holy Saturday. Mass is NOT celebrated on these days.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:40 am
jardojo: did you see my last comment? I quotes two texts from the Bible in which the Jews used statues of Cherubim in the temple. And also, you are asking for quotes from the Bible exclusively to convince you that it is not wrong – not everything we know about Christianity is in the Bible – in fact, the Bible was not even codified until 325 (codified by the same Church that says Crosses are okay).
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:35 am
Good Friday Morning: 10:00am mass or sermon or whatever it is that is mortal.
Pastor: “praise him!”
sheep: “amen”
St. Peter: (from up above, or is it to the left?) “Those fuckers are at it again! Praising the lord on good friday! We told that asshole Benedict to clamp down on those son’s ah bitches!”
St. Paul: “remarkable! the audacity of those infadels, to praise the lord on good friday! Jesus, how should we destroy them? Fire? Flood? Plague? Locusts? Earthquake?”
Jesus: (overhearing the discussion while in his quarters with St. Joan) “Ahhh fuck sweety, I gotta go see what all this bullshit is about, I’ll be right back…and don’t move!”
Jesus: “What in the name of me is the problem?”
St. Peter: “Benedict is not doing his job! He has not punished these ignorant fools who keep praising your excellency during good friday! Can you believe it? And they pray to idols also, my lord.”
Jesus: “I damn it! hit the congregation with lightning and be done with it…stat!, no one survives…NO ONE! and get that jerkoff Benedict on teleconference.”
St. Paul: “Very good my lord”
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:30 pm
666: I wonder what jesus did after…
Jesus: “Benedict, where the hell have you been? People are at mass on Good Friday you lazy son of a bitch!”
Benedict: “Calm down, here have some weed.”
Jesus: “What!?! You’re high on the day that I died!?! For the love of my dad, go do your damn job and get away from my mother!”
benedict: “Oh shit! that’s your mom!?! Damn you got a hot mom!”
Jesus: Oh you piece of shit!”
(Fight ensues, St. Joan walks in after Jesus wins)
Joan: “Jesus, come back to bed.”
March 23rd, 2008 at 7:48 am
Happy Easter you crazy Christians
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:47 am
Jardojo:
1. If you believe it is up to God how idolatry, and the Pope is the liaison between God and man – that whatever decree the Pope makes is considered Church law – would not the Pope using the symbol of the cross mean that God does not consider the cross an idol? I mean, I hate to have to stoop to this but this matter is so bloody simple and you seem so reluctant to accept that you’re wrong about the issue that I’m beginning to wonder how old you are. I honestly think that you know you’re wrong but don’t want to admit that you said a very silly thing.
2. “But I do know that the common denominator of what constitutes an idol is an object or symbol that is used in worship. ”
Wrong. An idol is NOT a symbol that is *used* in worship, and idol is a symbol that *is* worshipped. I’m going to type this as clearly as I can: the cross is *not* an idol. There are no Christians anywhere in the world that would say that they worship the cross. None. The cross is *not* worshipped, therefore it is *not* an idol. Would you say that Christians worship the Christian fish? Or that the Jews worship the Star of David? No you wouldn’t, because anybody that takes a minute to actually think critically about the matter can identify the fact that an idol is an object of false worship, not an object recognized as a symbol of the faith. *Jesus* is worshipped, the cross is used to remind the faithful of his sacrifice. *Through* the cross we direct our worship at Jesus, not the cross itself.
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:48 am
Edit: “how idolatry is defined…”
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:41 pm
HAHA!!
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Ok people!
Lets take a reality break here.
People, you are giving legitimacy to a ridiculous idea.
Lighten up and mock the shit out of it!
Not to mock individual believers.
They are already too far gone, ‘god’ bless them!
Mock it, because it is so FUCKIN’ funny!
Go back and read your tit-for-tat about idols and church law.
It’s hilarious! You’re hilarious! Get a grip!
Liberate yourself! Write an absurd dialogue, you will laugh!
And so will we!
CSimmons: Fuckin’ great! Thanks for playin’ my game!
I appreaciate it, I laughed so hard this morning!
I’m typin’ in my Northeast accent. (Nahwtheast)
I hope it dosen’t “offend” anyone!
I don’t mock to anger people, or to disrespect.
But,
The whole ‘god’ thing in the 21st century…
IS FUCKIN’ HILARIOUS!
I love you believin’ fools!
Idols?
Church rules and laws?
Mortal sins?
HAHA!!
March 24th, 2008 at 3:29 am
1) My two hesitations about the stations of the cross is that some of them are unbiblical eg Jesus falling and St Veronica, and that the scenes are filtered through the understanding, sensibilities and imagination of the artist. We can be 100% sure that the scene DIDN’T look like that.
2) Some parts of the Anglican church have stations of the cross. I knew that Daejeon cathedral (South Korea) had them, but was stunned yesterday to find that it had THIS EXACT SET.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:43 am
666: The only problem with mocking religion is that some of the best resident commenters here are religious people, and I would rather respect their beliefs and have them around then be juvenile and mock their beliefs for no good reason and drive them away. I just want you to understand, it *is* incredibly immature to mock other’s beliefs, no matter how stupid you might think they are. You’d do better to leave them be until directly asked about it. Otherwise, you just come off as a bully, and nobody likes that, not even atheists.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Slick,
You said for “no reason”. This is not true. I think it’s hilarious and it makes me laugh.
No, I do not HAVE to respect the outdated belief itself. What I do need to respect is their right TO BELIEVE whatever it is they believe. I would fight with ferocity for someone’s RIGHT TO BELIEVE. Not WHAT they believe. Big difference.
As far as being “juvenile”, so be it, stay young, laugh, and enjoy life. You do it your way and I’ll do it my way? Isn’t that fair? If I have to tolerate the boring (my opinion) posts, why can’t they tolerate my satirical parodies, at least some people have posted with positive reviews, saying it made them laugh, isn’t that good enough.
Alot of people take themselves WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. Like I said…just take a breath and live. Again, I am not mocking any actual individuals just fairy tales, sorry but that’s the way I see it.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:51 am
666: Well, no, you *should* respect their beliefs. It’s a part of respecting their right to believe in it. Other than serving your own selfish purposes, what does mocking someone’s long held, highly personal, and self-defining beliefs serve to do? Other than polarizing their opinions against you? Acting in such a way is divisive and derogatory, for no other good reason than the fact that find it funny to push people’s buttons. I agree with staying young and keeping a healthy sense of humor, but that has to be tempered with a sense of social responsibility, otherwise you just reinforce the ill intentions of people on both sides of the argument. The difference between those “boring” posts and your “satirical” posts is that those “boring” posts don’t often have this passive-aggressive sense of criticizing your personal beliefs, something that your posts seem to draw upon and something that many people find highly offensive. Let me clarify here: I’m all for religious-themed humor. I believe this whole thing was set off by a comment that I made about. It was clearly tongue-in-cheek. However, I don’t believe in outright mocking someone’s beliefs, even if I myself find them archaic and outdated (I am an atheist.) Calling someone’s beliefs “fairy tales” is, as I said, divisive and a bit pompous. I enjoy your humor, 666, and I agree with a lot of what you have to say, but all I ask is that you tone down on the blatant anti-Christian sentiments and focus more on the humor itself.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 am
I guess we will simply have to disagree, as soon as you start using terms such as: “social responsibility” you lose me, my Libertarian mind makes me believe that the only “social responsibility” I need have is to NOT committ crimes against my fellow man. I think my posts fall FAR SHORT of a crime (at least in my country).
I look forward to your sharp and witty posts and engaging in some more “absurd reparte”, but please don’t beat the dead horse…you have had your say, I have heard you, and I disagree. Nuff said.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:16 am
“I will not attack your doctrines nor your creeds if they accord liberty to me. If they hold thought to be dangerous – if they aver that doubt is a crime, then I attack them one and all, because they enslave the minds of men.”–Ingersol
March 24th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Some more Ingersol: for no other reason (selfishly) than I feel like it.
“The clergy know that I know that they know that they do not know”—(God damn! I wish I had said this! HAHA!)
“My objection to Christianity is that it is infinitely cruel, infinitely selfish, and I might add infinitely absurd”—(But I should RESPECT it!?)
“That church teaches us that we can make God happy by being miserable ourselves”
March 24th, 2008 at 10:52 am
666: Fair enough. I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment of Christianity, but to each his (or her) own. Game on.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:14 am
“All Hail Twinkle”
March 25th, 2008 at 1:09 am
the romans had been crucifixion as a means of execution for a while before this if i remember correctly? so what made this one guy so important? was there a contest to see who could fall the least amount of times and the winner got a book written about him and his teachings?
March 25th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Bob,
An outstanding, world-class propaganda campaign. Makes Tom Paine look like a hack on a street corner yelling with a megaphone.
They were so brainwashed they would immolate themselves for their false beliefs and their false ‘god’…now that they are the dominant form of mysticism, other creeds immolate themselves for their (different) false beliefs and (different) false ‘god’.
Which begs the question: Which is worse? No belief in a god or a belief in a different god than your own? Tough call.
Jesus: “sure those fuckin’ atheists piss me off, how DARE they not believe in me! But to believe in that Allah, what are they stupid? How can they believe such an absurdity!”
St. Patrick: (discreetly removing his Buddah statue from his desk and taking a long drag of Guinness)…”Uhhh, I hear yah ‘J’ the atheists are just a fringe minority though, they can’t hurt your re-election.”
St. Benedict: (not the popey)”temper yourself Patrick, allah is using the same terror tactics which made us soooo successful…we should be wary.”
Jesus: “Fuck Benedict, it’s costing me a fortune to torture these fuckers too! Lucifer’s bill last month to heat hell was off the charts! I know he has Adam Smith down there tinkering with the books, I know it! But we don’t have anyone smart enough here to figure it out! Their ALL “down there, SHIT, we can’t even recruit Alan Greenspan, rumor has it that he is going to be running a sub-hell. Maybe we can invest in some propane and convert south eden into a clean burning hell? Oh fuck, we don’t have any engineers either…just fuck it, Pat tap the guinness!”
Pat: “You got it ‘J’”
March 25th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
I think there should be, if there hasn’t already been, a list of comedian commenters.
666 certainly takes all of the cake ! Keep the comments coming man !
Those who are offended, it’s all in good fun. Lighten up
-cheeers!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
666 and Immez: you have to realize that there is atleast the potential that people will get offended by the comments that have been made, right?
i mean, you are taking what some people have devoted their entire life to, not to mention their hope for eternity, and making a mockery of it. perhaps if an alternative was offered people might at least read.
i fear that people have tuned you out due to the tone of the comments. as evidenced by the fact that pretty much only 666 has contributed to these comments. also notice that of all of the top commenters, those who presumably frequent and value the site most (excluding our wonderful host obviously), very few have interacted with 666.
just something to think about.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Of course, people get offended by even the slightest satirical remarks ! Instead of being uptight about it, they should take the jokes in stride and brush them off, maybe even have a good laugh – even though it’s based off something they believe in.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
ImMez,
Thank you, the “absurd dialogues” will continue!
DiskHusker,
I am not the type to sit here ‘worrying’ about offending the insecure, the neurotic, and the willfully ignorant coward hoping and praying for immortality. That’s right! Coward! Someone who is not able to come to grips with their own mortality! A self delusional grandiosity of their own cosmic worth because of belief in a fairy tale, a FAIRY TALE!
Respecting these foolish things and still taking them seriously is why they are so insidious. I refuse to take them seriously because I prefer simple logic to blind faith. All the modern science helps too, but it’s not even needed to dismiss the absurd.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
I wish you could come sit in on my Religion classes ! Not that giving my teacher a heart attack would be a good thing, but it would sure make for a much more interesting class.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
dischuker…
i think 666 does realize that he is making a mockery of what people believe and devote their lives to, and i also think that his points are not only extremely funny but they also have some sense to them.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
666: anyone can call mocking people satire and your “satire” is pretty self-serving. patronizing and making fun of people who don’t do anything to you seems in kind of poor taste. not to mention what an easy target religion is to someone who doesn’t believe. you’re shoving your “satire” in peoples faces by posting “jokes” here. you’re beating a dead horse just to spite its owner, worst of all they have to watch because they don’t know where else to go to talk about this stuff. and you know you’re not going to get any converts here – and even if you do believe that, (i’m guessing not because you don’t seem to like anything resembling naivety) you could make your points respectfully and you wouldn’t have to blow up with a blog tantrum and insult people for living the only way they know how. new scientist has comment boards, go post your satire there. of course it wouldn’t be funny because there would be no one to bully.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:12 am
i guess i should say, to be fair, some are totally acceptable – even with the little “skits” you throw it. whether some people are offended or not. but by and large you’ve been bullying and patting yourself on the back for most of the board.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:23 am
He’s a troll. Stop feeding him and maybe he’ll go away.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:27 am
i dont think his genius comedy is self serving, it serves me very well come to think of it.
kazorek i hope u feel important with those wonderfully intelligent comments u left, i think u should go back to whatever it is your doing that makes u such a good philosopher and stop trying to ruin our fun please.
March 26th, 2008 at 6:43 am
Thank you for the nice words Bob.
Indeed it appears that if I stop, I will disappoint some people and make others pleased. If I continue, I will disappoint some people and make others pleased!
Again, my words are not harming anyone—unless they ALLOW it to!
If you read the list, you would notice that I have received much support, so my detractors are the “self-serving” ones. Attempting to “bully” me into a style of critique that I find repulsive—the respect ANYTHING, so as to not offend ANYONE!
A scathing “dialogue” will be posted later in the day!
March 26th, 2008 at 6:50 am
Also,
Notice the hypocrite in some people.
Ms. Destined (to hypocrisy):
Notice Ms. D attacks me personally! Calling names! I never called any PARTICULAR person a “such-and-such”—you stooped to that level! I am ridiculing an IDEA (through satire) that I find ABSURD! Just remember that.
P.s. Giving me the ‘cold shoulder’ is rather childish? No? And will have zero impact on my “trollishness”.
The one thing that my detractors won’t or refuse to acknowledge is that: MANY PEOPLE HAVE ENJOYED THE SATIRE!
March 26th, 2008 at 7:04 am
ImMez,
Forgive me; I don’t know your age, etc.
Unless the course is Anthropology of religion or an intellectual study of the origin and evolution of the various religions / sects, then religion classes where the material is treated as actual history is not education, it is indoctrination.
Again, forgive me, I am speaking generally. Maybe you are school-aged and are being forced to attend these classes, or maybe you are a confident believer who doesn’t concern yourself with the words of a non-believer (which, most probably are). The only people who are taking “offense” are the unsure, the fragile psyches, the insecure; again, if words bother you that much—seek help, you have severe neurotic and psychological deficiencies. I am dead serious, you will be constantly “offended” unless you can overcome this form of irrational thought process. Good luck.
March 26th, 2008 at 9:12 am
That’s the first I’ve said anything about you on here. I’m not being a hypocrite, I’m just calling it like I see it.
Troll- One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
You don’t have to insult people directly to be a troll. You’re insulting religion, a lot of people here are religious. You’re being disruptive to the normal flow of discussion on this board.
The cold shoulder isn’t about being “childish,” it’s more about taking the high road.
March 26th, 2008 at 9:34 am
666: you called them cowards. ive thought it to but never had a right to say it. and about the other people enjoying them, there can be more than one bully.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:11 am
No “right” kazorek? Wow, how small thinking! Speak your mind more Kazorek (without that neurotic, worrisome feeling of insulting someone), it will liberate you.
Ms. D: States…”I’m just calling it the way I see it”
?!
Well, what the hell do you think I AM DOING!?
It makes me laugh! You can’t even see your own hypocrisy! I have NEVER once singled someone out and said…”you should not say that”! That is arrogant and dictatorial. Just “STOP FEEDING” me like you said that you were going to do, but you won’t, we both know it!
Be sure to catch the next edition of “The Absurd Dialogues”! I know you’re a fan because you read all my material!
One more thing, why am I NOT insulted by these attacks which are directly pointed at me, but I have offended others by ridiculing an abstraction?!
I just find you both…”not too bright”.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Kazorek said: “ive thought it to” [SIC]
Well, now you have said it, in print. Very offensive, I would say spend the rest of the afternoon reciting hail mary’s while drinking Bloody Mary’s.
Also, make sure you apolagize to each and every person you offended with that cheap shot. Very sly, without the courage to say what you believe directly, you say “ive thought it to” [SIC]. Clever.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:03 am
666, You obviously have a gift for satire and I would probably be entertained with your wit if I was reading something like Mad Magazine. What I am probably others that go to this sight are wondering is why you choose this particular list to display your humorous talents? This list was posted in good faith on Good Friday. This is one of the most important times for Christians. You knew some of your comments would be offensive to many. So my question is does mocking other peoples beliefs make you feel more validated in your own non beliefs? If you saw a child saying their prayers at night would you make fun of that child? How is that productive or what is the up side in doing this except to be self serving?
March 26th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Blogball: Trolls don’t care who they offend. That’s what they do. They don’t care about people’s beliefs, only their own entertainment. They go to different sites on the Internet to post outrageous things to create a stir with the regular users of the site. You call them on it, and they turn your words against you.
With that I’m going to find another list to comment on. This one seems a lost cause.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Response to 212
I am a student in a Catholic High School, therefore it is not my choice to be in the Religion class, it IS indeed forced upon us. There are some teachings that I do believe in but I am not a blind believer in it.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
666: is there nothing that would be offensive to you in a verbal form?
March 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Ms. D: I knew (as well as you) that you couldn’t “take the high road”. You will be back, don’t delude yourself; even if you don’t post again on this list, you will return, it is your DESTINY! It is like a drug to you. Gobble, gobble, gobble…thanks “Ms. destined to make a blithering hypocrite of myself.” Feed me! You have now interacted with “the troll” three times!
Blogball: First of all, thank you for the compliment. My question is…why not this list? If I saw a child praying? I would of course feel sorry for the child—to be subjected to that sort of brainwashing and child abuse, very sad. Just when the human brain is most vulnerable, it is subjected to high doses of irrationality, the human brain is attempting to make logical sense of the world and integrate the perceptions that reach its senses into concepts; instead it is given a bunch of FAIRY TALES as metaphysical truths. I won’t repeat myself concerning “offending others during their special little time of the year”, I have already addressed it.
ImMez: Sorry to hear that you are being forced to take those classes. Let me ask a personal question, (you don’t have to answer if you don’t like) are you also being forced to attend a Catholic school?
March 26th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Not in this context Dischusker, why should a random post on a random website personally insult me?
March 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
666: what about in any other context?
March 26th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Why? It is not relevent. Your Socratic method is very transparent.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Not being forced but I didn’t have much choice, there aren’t very many schools nearby. Two of which are public schools and they happen to be very unsafe. I’m not saying all public schools are, but these two happen to be pretty bad. The school I’m attending now isn’t filled with a whole bunch of loony religious people but the religion course we must take, ugh, horrid !
March 26th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
ImMez,
I see, well hang in there, you seem to have a very solid head on your shouldars. Don’t be afraid to challenge things if they seem “far fetched” to you.
Good luck, and keep an eye out for the latest edition of “absurd dialogues”.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
666: What does it matter to you personally what others believe. Of what possible benefit are you gaining by going out of your way to be so rude? You’re not being witty or intelligent, you’re just showing your ass.
Can you not be secure in your own beliefs without having to go the route you’ve gone here? Isn’t it enough for you to believe what you believe and let some of this stuff go? Why do you have to prove to everyone that you’re an insufferable ass?
March 26th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Bucslime,
Opinions are like those asses you speak of. I don’t care what you think of me, it does nothing for me. I like it, some other people like it, some other people don’t like it. Oh well, life goes on.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
666: i wasn’t trying to be deceptive. i just figured that keeping the comments to the direct point would keep from chasing rabbits.
i am just interested in your assertion from earlier that the only people that get offended are…
“the unsure, the fragile psyches, the insecure; again, if words bother you that much—seek help, you have severe neurotic and psychological deficiencies.”
i have lost interest in your atheistic beliefs. i am more interested in the person behind the beliefs.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
666,
im one of those other people that like your stuff haha
and please keep the comedic gold coming
March 26th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
666,
Thanks. Everyone has the right to their own opinions and I do challenge all things that seem “far fetched” to me. With Religion there aren’t many actual straight answers, it’s just what you believe. I like having proof. That’s just me though.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
In that caes Dustslime,
I am a free spirit, I tend to live in the moment, a libertarian, educated (BA Psychology, BS Biology), in my 30’s, male.
Favorite beer: Sam Adam’s Winter
Favorite book: The Brothers Karamozov
Favorite author: Ayn Rand
Preferred mode of transportation: Harley Davidson Screamin’ Eagle Fat Boy.
Favorite drug: Cannabis sativa (skunk #9 strain)
Favorite band: tie, Nirvana / Rage Against The Machine
There I am Discslicer, in a nut shell.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
666: hey – we have the same favorite author! I am (yet again) in the middle of Atlas Shrugged. Ayn Rand is a great author and I especially love the fact that she supports the idea that we are all free to have our own opinions and that we can do anything we like as long as we don’t take the liberty from others – including their liberty to believe what they want to believe. I try to live my life according to that every day.
March 26th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
oooo im reading atlas shrugged for the first time and i am loving it so far!! i only picked it up cause i read about it a few times on this site and it sounded amazing.
however i am also reading crime and punishment(again) and i find Fyodor Dostoyevski just as intriguing as ayn rand so im a little caught up between the two haha.
March 26th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
JF,
I prefer The Fountainhead to Atlas, but this is like saying I prefer cherry cheesecake to blueberry cheesecake, I love them both, I have a first edition Fountainhead in mint condition—it sits alone on the top of my bookshelf between two bookends of ‘the thinking man’.
Always nice to meet someone else who appreciates the genius of Rand, it is amazing to think that at 19 years old she came to The USA, did not speak the language and in just a relatively few years published We The Living…amazing individual.
Have you read The Journals of Ayn Rand? It has many of her notes to herself as she was writing, it is a peephole into her creative process, as well as just about every letter she ever wrote, she would write 5 – 10 page letters to fans if she thought they were HONESTLY misinterpreting her philosophy. Again, a true intellectual giant.
Bob,
Aewsome! Enjoy it!
Good news! The “Absurd Dialogues” will be posted momentarily!
March 26th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
i don’t believe in god and i dont recite the hail mary. i do respect other people though.
March 26th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Favorite imagery from Atlas: Wyatt’s torch!
Favorite Character in Atlas: Ragnar Denshkekold (sp?)
March 26th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Kazorek,
I don’t either, I don’t either, I do also (people kazorek, not abstractions) please read the 2nd paragraph of post #191.
I dedicate this “Absurd Dialogue” to you Kazorek! Coming right up!
March 26th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
ACT I “The Absurd Dialogues—Eden Falls to Hell”
The scene: A gated community in north purgatory
The principal characters:
Jesus Christ (JC): The son of god
St. Peter: Gatekeeper—EDEN
Lucifer: The prince of darkness—Pres. & CEO HELL Inc.
Adam Smith: CFO—HELL
Jesus Christ has called a summit of the leaders of heaven and hell, they meet in neutral ground.
LUCIFER: “Hey Christ! Can we get this fuckin’ show on the road, tomorrow is my birthday and I have Slayer performing and it’s an 8 hour ride back to Hell”
ADAM SMITH: “I say we got them at a fine price too sir, a 2 century Hell-raiser license, I do say sir that you don’t look a day over 1200”
LUCIFER: “You the man Smith, I don’t know what I’d do without your economic genius, oh wait, I do know, I’d be living in a slum like this scrawny bastard (Luci points a claw at JC), I almost pissed my hoofs when you dropped that cross the third time, oh yeah…we saw it! I gave everyone in Hell the day off so they could watch it.”
:::General laughter:::
JESUS CHRIST: “HA HA very funny, that’s what I need to talk to you about, your bill to heat Hell last month, we are going bankrupt, we just can’t afford it, I’m going to lose my…(JC trails off, wipes his moist eyes with his toga)
ST. PETER: (interjecting)…”What my lord is trying to say is that Hell was well over its allotment of energy last month and that the coffers are being drained faster than we can replenish them, we all lose if that happens!”
LUCIFER: “First you hire me to torture the masses, now you say I have to cut down on energy? I was told to TORTURE mother fuckers, should I give them all 72 virgins too?”
ADAM SMITH: (cupping his hand and whispering in Luci’s ear) “We’ve got the born-of-a-virgin bastard! I have been slanting the books in our favor, we have actually been using less and less fuel—due to the great innovations of Sir Isaac and Albert, the lifetime Hell-raiser licenses that you granted them has more than paid off—but I have been charging Eden more and more! Their all too stupid to even balance their own books! We can take them over! CHRIST will be your SLAVE! Just go along with what they suggest, and then we will send in the demon infantry that you have been cultivating for centuries.”
LUCIFER: (discreetly to Smith) “My slave? I could eat his entrails everyday for eternity!” (Lucifer tries to stop from laughing but can’t)
JESUS CHRIST: “What’s so funny? As Peter was saying, you know enrollment in Eden is down, that fucker Darwin with all his science and evidence and what not has simply ruined our membership”
ST. PETER: “I have outlined a schedule of torture which involves letting Hell freeze over for 3 months out of the year, you know, being frozen in a block of ice is just as brutal as being burnt alive”.
JESUS CHRIST: “Oh indeed, a very horrible torture!”
ADAM SMITH: (kicks Lucifer’s hoof under the table)
LUCIFER: “Anything for you ole buddy, you know we used to be good friends back in the day, and we need each other, of course I will need to discuss a time table, we just can’t freeze Hell next month, lets shoot for the winter, it just makes sense.”
JESUS CHRIST: “Yes it does, it is a lot easier to heat Hell during the summer months, let’s drink on it!”
Stay tuned for ACT II of “The Absurd Dialogues—Eden Falls to Hell”
March 26th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
o and im just wondering here but, how many more comments does this list need to become the most commented on list? haha
March 26th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
bob: a little under 1000 more to take over the top one, bizzare biblical stories.
666: thank you for that synopsis. you still haven’t answered the first question, do you ever get offended?
as for me…
I am a free spirit, I tend to live to enjoy life as much as possible with an eye on the future, a conservative, educated (BA Psychology, MDiv Theology), in my 30’s, male.
Favorite beer: i have tried many and i just don’t like beer. Abita is my favorite root beer.
Favorite book: The Great Divorce, C.S. Lewis
Favorite author: John Piper
Preferred mode of transportation: anything with good gas mileage, right now a honda civc
Favorite drug: Advil
Favorite band: Waterdeep
March 26th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
damn never mind we arent even close to the number 1 spot then huh? haha
March 26th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
you are right. that one turned into a fire storm almost immeidately. it was getting pretty heated at one point and i had to step away for a couple hours. i made a joke about coming back and needing to catch up on 100 comments…when i got back i had missed about 350 in a little over 4 hours.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
dischuker,
and im really not being mean or trying to start a fight or anything like that but i just had to get it off of my chest. your name really looks and sounds like the term “dick sucker”
March 27th, 2008 at 3:08 am
666: I am envious of you owning a first ed! The only first edition signed book I own is a short poetry book by Allen Ginsberg. I have not read Rand’s journals but I will add then to my Amazon wishlist – once I have finished Atlas I might consider giving them a go. I must admit to having only read her fictional work thus far. Oh – and I do love the Fountainhead as well – I think the fountainhead evoked more anger in me at the behavior of the guys against Roark, but Atlas Shrugged totally inverted my political views – for which I am extremely pleased.
March 27th, 2008 at 5:14 am
bob: yeah, i guess i never thought about that. it is a reference to the many disc (frisbee) sports i partake in. a good throw is called a “huk”.
here’s to hoping everyone on here has excellent pronounciation.
March 27th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Discthrower,
Angry, irritated, annoyed occassionally…but never “offended”.
March 27th, 2008 at 7:03 am
JF,
It is the only 1st. Ed. I own. (I have only seen a couple signed, all go for thousands and are out of my budget) 1 of only 6000 originals, I bought the book on EBAY (my very first purchase), the book was mint, but the dust jacket was torn, but I found a later edition that had the same dust jacket in mint (Just about) and bought that one too!
When I was in my early twenties I had never heard of Ayn Rand, but I was an avid weight lifter and personal trainer, I used to digest a great magazine called ‘The All Natural Muscular Development”, they had a guy named Mike Mentzer who wrote a column and he was the only pundit that would explain logically WHY you should do x,y and z. He would destroy his detractors with brutal logic, making them look silly by comparison, and he gave credit for ALL of his logic and reasoning skills to the philosophy of Ayn Rand. He suggested The Fountainhead and I was hooked immediately, I had never read or heard anything like her, I devoured everything.
People who express an interest in AR, I recommend to start with:
1. The fountainhead
2. Objectivism: The philosophy of Ayn Rand by Leonard Piekoff
then,
Atlas.
Not that you can’t start with Atlas, but you can enjoy the novel in more depth if you have a working knowledge of the philosophy; Atlas being the embodiment of her entire philosophy in fictional form.
I know what you mean, you just fall into her world. I got so angry with Hank Reardon the first time I read AS, I would scream at him (like he was a flesh and blood person)…”will you kick that bitch wife to the curb already!” Interestingly, I never got angry with the people ruining Roark because Roark would just shrug it off and always seemed so calm and cool that I tended to take on that persona. Dagny Taggart ‘holding out’ though drove me insane! Especially when she left Galt’s gulch to go back.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:49 am
666: if something is said that makes you “angry, irritated [and] annoyed occasionally ” how is that not offensive?
March 27th, 2008 at 10:21 am
666:
It somehow seems fitting that a weightlifter/personal trainer would fall for Ayn Rand’s Nietzschean ideas, thinking them profound and admirable, when the dark side of those ideas reveals them to be nothing of the kind.
and you too, Jamie?
I prefer Henry Miller myself. Not so full of himself, and a hundred times more human and alive.
March 27th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Randy,
I wonder what other perverse stereotypes you hold dear? Did you get sand kicked in your face as a youngster? Whether AR was arrogant, how she lived her life, whether she was happy or bitter is irrelevant to the content of her philosophy—which should be treated with criticism in a professional way. I am NOT an Objectivist, I don’t agree with her entire philosophy i.e. esthetics. But I believe her Politics is right on to what I believe, and her epistemology has much merit also.
Discshuttler,
So, you were engaging in Socratic methodology! I saw right through you, but gave you the benefit of the doubt.
Easy Dustsettler,
I can get angry, annoyed or irritated when the Dunkin’ Donuts girl gets my coffee piss ass wrong…but I am NOT “offended”. Too easy Disc.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Randy SAID:
“I prefer Henry Miller myself. NOT SO FULL OF HIMSELF, and a hundred times more human and alive.”
Sounds like you could take a lesson from Mr. Miller!
March 27th, 2008 at 11:16 am
666: if asking a question makes me guilty of socratic reasoning, then so be it. that is beside the point anyway.
you have a habit of staying near the question but not actually answering it. again, if something is said that makes you “angry, irritated [and] annoyed occasionally ” how is that not offensive?
March 27th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Dishstacker,
Your ‘to the point questions’ were so transparent as to where they was going to end. You were attempting to lead me to this last question; which I clearly answered.
Anger, irritability, annoyance do NOT presume being offended. What is unclear about this?
I can’t imagine caring what another person thinks / believes or says to me that would OFFEND me. Why do you find this difficult to comprehend?
March 27th, 2008 at 11:34 am
666:
Yes yes, I expected you to respond thusly. Rand’s ideas are middle-brow. She was touted as (actually, one should say SHE touted herself as) a great intellectual… but close examination reveals her objectivist philosophy to be nothing more than a mix of warmed-over Nietzsche (second or third day, all dry and crusty) and libertarianism. Nietzsche didn’t need the Nazi’s appropriation and mis-use of his ideas to be discredited; he’s been discredited and WAS discredited in any case. And I personally have never been impressed by the “lift yourself by your own bootstraps or you’re contemptible” notion inherent both in Nietzsche AND the libertarians, as much as there are things to like and even admire about *some* of the ideas associated with both.
Nowhere did I go after Ayn Rand herself. I WAS speaking about her “philosophy,” 666.
The crack about “perverse stereotypes” was a nice try, 666… but you’re guilty as charged, I think. Not that I mean to come off terribly hostile to everything you’ve said. I just find it to be… over the top.
Oh, and no… no sand kicked in my face, pal. I was in fact a very athletic kid, and never had a problem with in any regard about this. I don’t mind people who are in shape, etc. I mind people who *do it for a living*.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:41 am
666:
Okay pinhead… if you didn’t just walk right into it…..
You’re calling ME full of myself?
Have you READ your own posts here on this thread? Please.
Your ego is so palpable here it steps right off the screen and tries to read the mail on my desk. And I’ll just take that postcard back, by the way… that’s personal.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Brandy,
Blood pressure! wow…full of anger! I wonder if you are OFFENDED also!
I am sure that was not the first time that you have heard that? No? I see why you went so batty, over a post from a guy called…666!?
You are a jewel! Little balls of nerves ready to explode! Wow! I struck a nerve with Brandi!
I am sorry I offended you! I didn’t know you valued my opinion soooo much!
your friend,
666
March 27th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Brinddle,
The comments about Rand / Objectivism that you parroted has been said over and over, some of it has merit, most does not.
But to the more important part Randel,
Why so hostile to people who teach / help others to attain personal fitness goals? Seems sort of a random, arbitrary sort of thing “to have a problem” with. Do you have a problem with landscapers also? Randy, there is NO justification for your prejudice, it is a confession, and you don’t even realize it.
In fact, when I was a trainer, most of my clients were women who had been having difficulty losing weight; I would monitor their diet, lead them through an 8 – 10 week training period, where I would teach them a variety of exercises, then they would be off on their own. Or…do you feel somehow that these individuals should just “pick themselves up by their bootstraps”?
So, it begs the question: what other random arbitrary things do “you have a problem with”?
Don’t you see Randi? It is irrational! Try actually reading some Rand, Randi, instead of regurgitating.
You pal,
666
March 27th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
666:
No, not offended, asshole, just full of vitriol and bile. This is how I always talk. Apparently you don’t know me very well.
But see, you’re so taken with yourself that you immediately jump to the (grossly mistaken) conclusion that I must somehow value your opinion and care about what you have to say… also, that I have some nerve that it’s capable for you to strike. Hardly.
Nope, sorry…. I don’t care what you’ve said about religion or anything along those lines… I just felt you needed quieting up is all. You’re much too loud.
and far too cutesy with your “insults.” Yup… calling me “Brandy” and “Brandi”…. very droll, very witty. You oughta be on a roundtable group somewhere, you’re so pithy.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Actually, I DID sound a bit angry in that last post… I apologize to all and sundry. It’s actually been a good day, but I’ve been busy. Countless interruptions, people coming to my office and bothering me with little things.
What I need is a drink! Yes… capital idea.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
666: wow, i just can’t imagine you having the patience, generosity and kind-heartedness necessary to challenge and encourage those ladies. either you are one heck of an actor, just purposely being an ass here (my vote) or you have schizophrenia.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Discjouster,
Why? I was being paid 25 – 30 dollars / hour. I took it seriously, and if the client didn’t take it seriously? I refunded their money and wished them good luck.
For example: If a client said that I want lose weight but I don’t want to diet. I would say…sorry, I’m not the trainer for you.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Good good…Randi,
I thought we weren’t friends anymore.
You still haven’t explained your prejudice; did a personal trainer steal your partner? Why the “problem” with people who work in the fitness industry? BLANK OUT.
I’m sorry for the well-deserved verbal tongue lashing, but you stepped into it with your disturbing form of prejudice. I can’t make heads or tales of it. It was like a slow pitch softball toss to Manny Ramirez…too easy to demolish.
Whenever I hear people ‘confess’ to an irrational form of prejudice…red flags go up.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
666: are you offended that randall would have this perceived “prejudice”?
March 27th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
666:
(Holds tongue, keeps hand to forehead, trying to deal with this *nudzge*)
K, first of all, the crack about personal trainers/weightlifters was a JOKE. Which is not to say that I didn’t mean it, but it was still meant to be lighthearted, regardless.
Yes, it’s a stereotype.. personal trainers are overly self-conscious, often egotistical, often insufferable. I was saying you seem to quite nicely fit the bill.
But no thanks, I read Rand when I was a youngster, and again in college. I saw through her on both attempts.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
i think its safe to say that randal is the greatest philosopher and thinker of our time. he obviously shows his superior intellect and thought process with his comments on this list and i must say, they are spellbinding!
i hope more comments come in directed at 666 cause they are just fueling the fire that he started and personally i love it.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Offended Dishragger? No, curious.
Rand,
Ahhh, you retract then? Excellent idea! You were sinking quickly and would have been left with no breathing hole if you kept attempting to justify irrational prejudice. Nice backpeddle! NFL cornerbacks have nothing on your ability! Bravo!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Bob,
I’m glad your enjoying the show! So am I!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Ironic…
It seems this list has generated a small but loyal ‘cult following’. We have even garnered the attention of the illustrious (DON’T YOU KNOW WHO I AM?) Rand!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
its just funny cause no one here is going to back down and they will argue forever! haha i think even if their key board got up and slapped them in the face and told them they were wrong they wouldnt believe it!
i just love how everyone is trying to justify their points in one way or another but hey just keep going for it everyone
March 27th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
666:
You make an honest effort to be funny, I’ll give you that. Unfortunately you fall flat each time, but you earn points for getting back up and trying again.
Now…. you demolished nothing. And you’re HIGHLY transparent with the repeated cracks (sand kicked in my face, did a personal trainer steal my partner, etc.) which also fall flat. Clear and clumsy attempts to get me going, to trip me up. Is that all you got?
I’m 6′1″, highly-educated, workout regularly and am in fine shape, 666… not that I need to defend myself thusly to YOU…. and no, I’ve never had a problem with losing my women to personal trainers, simp. They’ve all been handily satisfied and I’ve parted company amicably with all my lady friends… even the ex-wife. Even still good friends with a few of them. They love me. (I’m grumpy but loveable, you see). But go ahead and bark up that tree if that’s all you can think of. I’ll wait for you to figure out it won’t work.
Now… “disturbing form of prejudice”? Who’s getting worked up here? You’re all tense, edgy, 666… sensitive. Sit down, take a deep breath. It’ll be all right.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
and I retracted nothing. I merely attempted to explain something which you clearly were having a hard time grasping.
But really, I understand. I have *some* time here… I’ll wait for you to catch up.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
o randall, your smart and you have a good body. it seems like u have so much going for you in your life and that you would have so much better things to do than argue over things on listverse.
were you even here in the beginning when this whole thing started? i think u just dropped in, read a comment that struck some sort of nerve in you, and decided to prove to all of us that u are superior in intellect, athletics, and apparently staying friends with your ex girl friends and wife.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Bob123:
What the hell is YOUR problem? Who’s even talking to you?
FIRST of all, “Bob,” I was answering 666’s sad attempts to irk me. Thus my statements to refute his suggestion that I had some axe to grind, *personally,* against personal trainers. Understand now? Good, Bob. I have no intention of explaining it again.
Secondly, I’ve been reading this thread all along. In fact, if you’ll READ a little, I made some contributions a good while back. So no, I didn’t just “drop in.” As it happens, I simply got tired of 666’s bluster, and wanted to offer an answer to this Ayn Rand thing.
Got it now? Do I have your okay to be here?
March 27th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Thank you for your hospitality Rand!
So, you don’t care for my humor? Fair enough.
Of course you retracted, you now claim it to be “just a joke”, and aren’t you now guilty of “assuming” that I am now worked up? I am sitting here laughing!
Even if you don’t find me amusing…I find you to be very funny—in a grumpy old man sort of way.
Rand said: “I’m 6′1″, highly-educated, workout regularly and am in fine shape, 666… not that I need to defend myself thusly to YOU…. and no, I’ve never had a problem with losing my women to personal trainers, simp. They’ve all been handily satisfied and I’ve parted company amicably with all my lady friends… even the ex-wife. Even still good friends with a few of them. They love me. (I’m grumpy but loveable, you see). But go ahead and bark up that tree if that’s all you can think of. I’ll wait for you to figure out it won’t work.
Which begs ANOTHER question: If you didn’t feel the need to defend yourself? Then why did you? Because you care about what good ole 666 thinks of you, or why else would you do it? Maybe to show off? Puff that chest out Rand—about how you “satisfy” your “lady friends”.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Bob,
Now YOU have struck a nerve with ‘godfather Rand’. Careful! He takes offense VERY easily and backpeddles like Deion ‘Prime Time’ Sanders!
March 27th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
no u dont got my ok yet, u havent proved to me that your really smart enough to be here.
a few more of your amazing thought provoking comments would just fine to prove your intellectual worth here thank you.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Okay Bob… mom’s calling you for dinner. Run along.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
i know i have struck a nerve with the rand man himself and i just love it!
he is so witty and athletic its just amazing! maybe if i am lucky he can give me some tips to help me out with my own “lady friends”
March 27th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
I know what Listverse needs!
A place for polls!
The first poll:
Has Rands good buddy 666 “irked” the honourable, elder-statesman Rand?
A. Yes
B. No
C. Of course it’s obvious
D. Most likely
E. Just a little
March 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Bob,
One can only hold their breath and hope ‘The Rand Man’ would take to the pulpit on the topic!
March 27th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
RE: Post #280
um…
C
March 27th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
666:
Hospitality to annoying people is a tradition of my people. We open our houses to the obnoxious and then feed and shelter them. When they sleep, we go through their stuff. They’ve never got anything decent though.
Explaining a joke to you was not a “retraction,” 666… I believe I pointed out that I still meant what I said. But you seemed to be all offended about it, and mom taught me to care for the feelings of my fellow man, you see.
As for the rest… no, I didn’t defend myself because I care what some total stranger on the internet thinks of me. I believe that would be rather silly. I simply parried your equally silly attempt to find a nerve in me to fiddle with. Little do you know that years ago I had all my nerves removed, plus several internal organs. Ex-wives are usually responsible.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
my vote is that 666 gave rany an irk the likes of which the world has never seen
and randall, just one more comment and i think u might get my ok for posting on this list.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
o and randal dear, if u arent bothered by any of this and it hasnt moved u in any noticeable and significant way then why do insist on defending your words against such meaningless comments left by us peons?
its all a bit confusing to me but then again, im not as profound as the almighty randall right?
March 27th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Rand,
Excellent verbal gymnastics Godfather! C’mon sir, you were puffing up like a peacock!
Humble ole 666 stroked that under-hand softball toss 500 feet…exposing a prejudice, you at first tried to ignore, but that stubborn ole 666 would not allow you off the hook! You THEN said “it was a joke”, I am not irrational…”it was only a joke”…you gotta believe me! It was a joke!
6”1? Wow! What a giant! Were you a center on your JV middle school basketball team?
I’m sure you must have had many cheerleader “lady friends”!
I dare say that The Rand Man can run backwards faster than most can forward! I am humbled that my “silly BLUSTER” has attracted such a high intellect as Rand!
666 – Humbled
March 27th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
666,
see now someone else sees good old randy for the true genius he really is! yeah im so happy for u randall, for reals this time
March 27th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Bob,
Indeed, you were so polite and praiseworthy of the elder gentleman, and he turns on you! Oh well, short fuse I suppose.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
yawn…
March 27th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Good night Grand Rand!
March 27th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
o randall if u are tired then go take nap, i wouldnt want you to exhaust yourself in thinking of witty and sharp remarks to post on the listverse.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Good ole 666 has cracked the “top poster” board! One day, I may even challenge you-know-who!
March 27th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
o no dont challenge him! ahaha
June 28th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
jardojo: We do not worship the cross. We worship the man who died on the cross. Also we see the cross a symbol for the sacrfices that Jesus made for us.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:28 am
thaaaaaaaanks.
now I want to go watch jesus christ superstar.
._. lol. I’m not even religious and I love that movie.
February 13th, 2009 at 6:56 am
The 14 Stations of the cross is an important reminder to Christians of the many steps taken before Christs’ crucifixion and the suffering he endured for our sakes and to give us salvation from our sins. Jesus had endured much suffering and these stations are a memory of those last few hours prior to his crucifixion. May Jesus be given the love and honor forever that he deserves for his love for us.
February 27th, 2009 at 3:45 am
it is beautiful.
March 8th, 2009 at 5:01 am
pls help me in my assingment
my teacher ask me to chosse one
of the station and
explain why did i choose that!
i choose the station#55
Fifth Station
Simon of Cyrene helps Jesus to carry his cross
but i cant explain why i
choose that plss. reply me………
in this evening
April 11th, 2009 at 10:57 am
i think that this is really sad of what they had done to jesus:( .right now my teacher had made us do the station of the cross, we have to colour then made a summary then we have to make a little prayer that relates to the summary and the pictures
we also have to make the picture has to go with the title but the teacher had made the pictures look different then the lilttle pictuers that she gave us.
May 24th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
I know this is a little late to the game but I’ve been wondering; what’s the use of praying to saints? If god already knows in advance what your prayer is going to request (being all-knowing) and his omniscience dictates that he already knows in advance what his response is going to be, and since he’s known these things since before the beginning of time and therefore before any saint could possibly have intervened, and since his all-knowing status renders him unable to change his mind on anything (because the only reason to change your mind is the acquisition of new information, something god never does), then does it not make no fucking sense to try to appeal this system? See? Logic and run-on sentences win again.
May 24th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
300. D120888 : “…then does it not make no fucking sense to try to appeal this system…”
Avoid double-negatives and and air of omniscience, it only makes you look like a jackass.
May 25th, 2009 at 11:55 am
301 “Avoid double-negatives and and air of omniscience, it only makes you look like a jackass.”
Avoid using the word “and” twice in a row. It makes it seem as if you don’t read your own comments while you’re writing them.
Also, I don’t believe I had an air of omniscience, I was simply following the given “facts” to their logical conclusion. I would say I had an air of reason, which is refreshing on a religion list.
May 25th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
I imagine if I were omniscient I’d have a tone of smugness about me.
July 30th, 2009 at 6:22 am
hi i came from STC SCHOOL!
September 4th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Sorry to have to tell you this but you’ve missed a staion out between 5 and 6. Its the station where jesus scratches his arse crack while simon of Cyrene carries his cross for a bit.
September 13th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
I HAVENT READ ALL YOUR COMMENTS, ONE THING I COULD SAY ABOUT THIS THOUGH, WE MUST BELIEVE AND HAVE FAITH IN GOD WITHOUT ASKING “W-H” QUESTIONS NO MORE..
September 27th, 2009 at 8:39 am
666- we get it you don’t believe you’re so cool